They Want Elon Musk In Jail | Pirate Wires Podcast ft. Mike Solana & Bridget Phetasy
00:00 I thought that this was definitely coming. By the time that Elon decided he was going to hop on board for Donald Trump, we already had a history of lawfare. The thing that they hate Elon for is that he got Twitter and released the discourse. We are in this like Romeo and Juliet-style blood feud. Yeah, this is a tricky one because... But here's why it's tricky, because we hate her. That's why the only reason that I find it tricky is I cannot stand it.
00:34 What's up, guys. Welcome back to the podcast. We have the just incandescent, effervescent, glorious Bridget Fetacey on the podcast today. Hello, Bridget. Welcome back. Bridget, are you doing, do any shows coming up still or what's going on there? I mean, I'm at Mothership pretty much every week. Like, I have some sets this week, but no big shows. But I will be in New York in November. Before we get into the meat and bones of the show, I do want to give a special shout out to San Blonde, the founder of Monica. I mean, he is someone we talk about a lot on this podcast, and how could we not? He's an absolute legend. I will say this week, he advised Vivek Ramoswami not to release that crazy Amy Acton ad where he brought on the estranged mother of his political opponent to trash talk her.
01:24 And it turns out the estranged mother was potentially involved in covering up abuse. Sam said, sir, that is a terrible idea. Do not release the ad. And Vivek didn't listen. And I just think you should always listen to Sam Blonde. Sadly didn't happen this time. Thank you, Sam, anyway, for trying. Thank you also for being the presenting partner on the Pirate Wires podcast.
01:45 Shout out also to Autopilot, the incredible company, sponsoring the podcast as well alongside of 8 Sleep. Check out that new Pod 6. I've just got one sleeping on like an ice box right now. It's very nice. Let's just get into the show. Riley, I want you to tell us about Elon Musk. Gladly.
02:06 So there are many ways to approach philanthropy folks. For some in Silicon Valley, it means looking out for the welfare of shrimp. While for others, it means pledging your company shares to help humans. We saw two different methods for doing so this week. First, Anthropic announced the creation of their public benefit fund. It's a new initiative where the company will pledge an initial 5% of their shares towards charitable endeavors. The company said in the announcement that as a public benefit corporation, they already do much of this philanthropy in-house, citing AI safety research. But this new fund will allow them to, quote, pursue our mission in new ways.
02:45 For example, we might explore large donations to traditional nonprofits. In response, Elon Musk took a break from showing off his flying car to reply, I recommend giving shares directly to the public. Elon went on to put his money where his mouth is announcing on X. Next year, I will give one of my SpaceX shares to every kid in America, which he intends to do through the newly created Trump accounts. Meanwhile, how did left-wing commentators like Kara Swisher thank him for this? Well, of course, by saying he should be in jail. Swisher said on the Bullwark podcast that Elon would already be in jail
03:25 if Kamala were president right now, and under a possible Democratic Congress, he knows what's coming for him. What do we make of Elon giving away his shares and the reaction to it from the Karras Wishers of the world? I'm going to try my heart as not the Black Bill in this episode. I am nervous about the future that we are approaching. And I think that the targeting of Elon Musk already, just in rhetoric, I mean, you have a series of things at this point, right? You have all of the reporting in Politico that indicates this is the top. of the town in Democratic circles. You know, we're going to be targeting Elon Musk the second we have
04:01 power. You have Kara Swisher, of course, who's now got our little podcast with Hillary Clinton, and she's out there sounding the alarm bells here. This is something that we've worried about, I've worried about for a long time. I thought that this was definitely coming. By the time that Elon decided he was going to hop on board for Donald Trump and, you know, go all in there, spend tons of money, make himself a huge politicized target. We already had a history of lawfare. There was already lawfare during the last election where, you know, Democrats were trying to take down Trump and successfully took down a bunch of his associates in the lead up to the next election. And then I will say, you didn't see the sort of like Zen response from Donald Trump once he was in office. It was just like a lot of crazy shit from him too.
04:44 This is just going to, it's going to continue. I think Elon will definitely be targeted. I think it's frightening how cavalier people are about this. I don't know how we persist in a state where anyone who runs for office at a higher level is going to be then relentlessly targeted after the fact. And not even people who are in office, right? Like at this point, we're talking about people who are private citizens. I mean, roughly before, I mean, maybe you want to rather talk about the charity, Bridget, but I mean, roughly, where is your head out following all this stuff? Yeah, I'm worried about it too.
05:18 I'm worried because I think it does create this kind of escalating problem. where you have the left, which seems to have abandoned any limiting principles whatsoever in a pursuit for power. And the right, which is generally conservative, and I think the thing that has distinguished them from the left, has been that they do believe there should be limits on power. Now, however, I will say the new right,
05:44 there are people coming up who are not conservative, their right wing, and they are going to fight fire with fire. They're going to say, okay, well, we'll give you, we see your, your, your kind of naked attempts at power grabs, and we will raise you a slightly dictatory guy like Buckele. You know, I think there is this escalating, it's unsettling. I don't know exactly the way out of it. I don't like how cavalier, this is something that drove me away from the left was just
06:21 how much projection it always feels like everything that they're saying the other side is going to do. They're very comfortable doing. We had that story that came out in the past couple of weeks just about how was it Jack Smith or someone who had the list of basically like MAGA donors if you bought a hat or if you bought. Yes, yes. You know, you have things like this that it seems like a huge overreach. It's very unsettling that they're. take we had slotkin alice slotkin saying that she would trying to basically bully young potential staffers of the trump administration not to do this because they're going to prosecute
07:06 anyone around him like this is all of these things are very bad signs for the republic yeah the elissa slotkin thing this is the senator i think the junior senator from michigan is where this week, this story kind of came together in my mind. I thought, man, we have to talk about this. This is the most important story in the country right now. Because obviously, you know, Elon Musk is this huge charismatic target where he, I think, to a certain extent, EDS is much more pronounced than TDS. I think that there's something about Elon being so rich and, like, legitimately powerful
07:49 and also capable that frightens people. And there's also a bit of a maybe apostate thing where Elon had been a lib. And so the crossover is seen as like especially egregious. And they're going to target him. That was always going to happen. I think it's crazy how openly they're talking about it and how centered this seems to be in their platform. It's kind of surprising. Democrats used to talk a lot about things like health care.
08:17 And now it's, you know, how do we put Elon Musk in prison? But when Slotkin said that her goal going after people around Trump rather than just Trump, when that was on the agenda for her and for Democrats once they took power, which is that her actual goal was to terrify people from young people specifically, from working for Republicans, that is, that's some like fascist shit. That's some really scary, that's a really scary world that were, that we're entering that I don't want to be too precious about. I think we've been on this path for a while. You know, like I think that Biden administration, that that term was when I realized how bad things
08:58 had gotten. And that's really, it's like radicalizing for me, honestly, when I saw what Democrats were capable of during that period only. Like before that, it was whatever. It was Obama. We're disagreeing on things. But it didn't, it felt very different under Biden. And that hasn't changed. They haven't tempered that. They haven't been like, oh, man, we were crazy. and acted a little too authoritarian. We're going to reel it back. It's none of that. And like you said, as the new right rises,
09:24 the reaction is not to just tuck your tail between your legs and run away. It's to escalate. It's to act like the left. We are in this like Romeo and Juliet style blood feud. And the dance just, it doesn't go anywhere good. But how do you, how would you even combat it? This is a question that I rep with. So are they wrong?
09:47 wrong to say, all right, we're going to play by your rules. Because if the right was playing by their rules, they would be doing all kinds of things to amass power and make sure that the left could very, behaving very similarly. And they're not really as far as I can tell. We'll talk about it today a little bit more because we're going to get into Elon Omar, the Elon Omar case. I feel like that is somewhat similar. Maybe, and maybe you'll just, I hope you'll disagree actually. So we can have a robust conversation on whether or not the woman who married her brother should be put in prison. But it feels kind of like, it feels adjacent to this to me. And certainly when Trump went after, he went after Latisha James, didn't he go after
10:29 Latisha James with the weird case? Like that was, or maybe, I mean, he didn't, but the Justice Department did. And, you know, that feels similar. I think there are these cases that are similar. I think when we comes to what is lawfare, we want to, because some criminals, some politicians should be in jail. And it's not about lawfares. The crime is so egregious. How could they not? There was that senator from New Jersey, Menendez, who had like this sort of cartoonish corruption scandal where he's like hoarding gold de blooms and shit. That kind of thing. Like lock him up. That's crazy. I think it's sort of the question that I go through is, is this crime minor enough that it wouldn't be prosecuted unless you were a political target?
11:16 Like, are you being targeted because of your political association specifically? And if that's the case, I think that I would classify it as lawfare. Whereas, you know, in the past, what you would have are these situations where, if anything, politicians could get away with a little more. And you can say, oh, well, that was a corrupt era? And I think, well, was it corrupt? Or do people kind of understand that if you're putting a larger magnifying glass on, you're, you know, these people, then we're going to descend into an all-sides, like, blood war pretty fast. And that is, that feels like where we are now. Yeah, it does. The Elon thing is interesting, too, because he's such a
11:57 huge target. Nobody cared when they were firebombing his Tesla places after the election. Nobody cared. They don't care about violence. Like that, that has been the thing that's been the most unsettling to me is that they, it feels, and it has felt to me like the left really does approach violence as this lever that you can turn up and down. And we've seen a lot of murder of people that they don't necessarily agree with. We saw what happened to Charlie. We saw, and this isn't the left, but people of the left, this idea that this seems like the soft version of what's actually already happening. Do you know what I mean? Like the, the, the, the targeting all these people and saying, oh, you're going to be on a list and we're going to put you in jail. Well, people have
12:44 been murdered and they've been doing TikTok dances about it and putting, putting like assassin who killed the health care worker on a tote bag. And like, so this feels weirdly all in the same. It's, it's not, I feel like we're already in, in the blood war. Yeah. And it's just, I think the question is, I think it's get worse, though. It can get, you know, it can certainly get, and it is, I think it is just getting worse and worse, obviously over the last 10 years. It's been getting worse and worse and worse. I wonder if the reason you hear people like Slotkin, kind of just openly saying that their goal is specifically intimidation, and that's why they want to pursue these cases, is, I mean, Republicans are supposed to lose. That's just
13:31 kind of what they've always done. They've been the losers. The old people, they represent the past. They've never have significant, they've never had significant cultural power, at least in our lives. they typically don't have absolute political power. And even when they do, all the institutions are run by people who are basically Democrats. It's like overwhelmingly Democrat flooding all of our institutions, not just even our political institutions, but our corporate institutions. The old corporate money was predominantly left wing. It's funny to hear Democrats complain about Elon Musk.
14:01 And it's like the money was left wing for a very long time. Even Wall Street was giving money to the Democrats. Like everybody gave money to Democrats. And they did that. everyone in power because the Democrats, they were in power. Like, you could feel that. Even when they weren't in political power, they still had a cultural monopoly. You know, they were supposed to win. Under Trump, that began to change and they began to lose their minds. And especially now that all this new wealth has come in and supported Donald Trump, they're starting to feel, I think you
14:34 could see it in Alyssa's in her face as she's describing, she's trying to defend herself now from just people talking about what she actually said. There's this sense of like, this can't be happening. And what does she mean by that? And I think that what from her perspective, what she might be seeing or must be seeing is a changing of the elite. She's afraid of a real changing of the guards in a way that we've never had as younger people are voting more right-wing, as young men especially are breaking from the trend that we saw under millennials and really decoupling from younger female voters, as even minorities are not lock-sync with the Democrats anymore. And as people like Elon Musk, who historically should have been a Democrat and was a Democrat,
15:22 switch. It's like there's real fear there. And because they're afraid, I think they're over, not even overreact, they're reacting. I think they might even be acting rationally. if they believe that this is like super, super high stakes and that we could have like a right wing. Imagine in their mind, you know, if the right has as much power as the left had over the last 40 years, like what does that America look like? And they're scared. Walter Kern said something pretty interesting on the Kara Swisher video that was going around where Carrie is just casually talking about the future of Elon Musk, which is prison. Walter says, the reason to threaten Musk is to terrify anyone who would even think of opposing these people.
16:01 If they can take out the world's richest man and our greatest contemporary industrialists, then just think what they can do to you and to the average Jane and Joe. We must stop them, he says. And what this made me think of was Jack Ma in China. Jack Ma was there, Elon Musk. And the CCP fucking vanished him, a billionaire. That was shocking to me when that happened. And to most people in tech, nobody thought that that would happen.
16:27 It seemed like Jack Ma was the crown jewel of the Chinese economy at that. point, why would they do that? And, you know, that's because we're all these fucking libertarian-esque bleeding heart lives to it much more so than obviously compared to the Chinese authoritarian. We weren't thinking from the perspective of an actual authoritarian, which is this man is a rival to our power. He has to be stopped. And we need to make an example of him. And that is why Jack Ma was destroyed. I mean, he was destroyed specifically to remind people who was in charge is Xi Jinping. And there is no difference between our hard left and their. And there is no difference between our hard left and their hard left in terms of philosophy.
17:03 There's only a practical difference, which is that their hard left is in power, and our hard left is, for the moment, marginalized. But I don't think that's going to last. It does feel like an example, because even if you, it does scare people. We saw this through all of the woke years, just the ability to, we saw it in comedy.
17:25 You know, the book that I just finished is, I was thinking about your tweet, and Walter Kearns because they did attempt this even by going after guys like Kevin Hart and people who are these like at the top of their game, Dave Chappelle, the biggest voices you had. And then they would try and say, oh, it's not cancel culture because they're rich and we didn't actually cancel them. Never mind that you took childhood dreams away from them. We'll just, we'll put that aside.
17:53 You, what do you think, what effect do you think that has on up and coming comedians? The thing that they hate, hate Elon for is that he got Twitter and released the discourse in a way that it was not free. He really didn't release it. They had successfully censored the normie perspective on things. And most people actually looked around and thought, I'm going crazy and I'm the only one who has these beliefs because they had very, very successfully suppressed. what most normal people thought on all of tech. When you really think, I mean, when you actually think about how dark that is
18:36 from those Biden years in particular, and you have this free town square where you can't even say that men and women are different. You'll get, you know, we had friends who got banned for years. My friend Megan Murphy was banned for years for calling a biological man a man on Twitter. What was Twitter? And so you didn't, it was that,
18:57 preference falsification. Everybody was kind of looking around going, oh, well, everyone's playing along with this, and I guess I'm the weird one. And then Elon unleashes the discourse, and everyone's like, oh my gosh,
19:14 you think that too? I totally agree. This is crazy. It was like a liberation of people, and they hate him. That is what they hate him for. And it literally led to, you know, the the preference
19:29 Cascade or suddenly everyone's like, oh, I didn't believe it. I thought you, oh my gosh. And then Trump gets elected again. I mean, that's what they hate him for. It was like that scene in World War Z where like the mob is climbing up the wall and Elon just tore down the wall.
19:46 And that like horde of goblinesque zombie groiper frogs flooded, flooded the town square. But the first wave of things they were saying was just like you said, it was like very common sense things about gender. It was skepticism about the origin of COVID. It was skepticism about the constantly changing rules of how to guard yourself against COVID.
20:08 It was questions about immigration. Not wanting open borders? Yes. I think immigration is actually the main thing that seems to be censor, or that seems to be the main thing that people want censorship for. That's my read of it. And certainly in Europe, that is the thing that they are most upset about. It is the way that people are talking about mass migration into their countries and they don't like it.
20:33 And there's a belief, I think, that if these people are allowed to say what they actually think about this issue, then it's going to lead to violence. The problem here is that that's not a minority opinion. That's what most people in the country believe. And what you're talking about is censoring people from talking about things that they want in terms of governance. Like, how should we govern? This is super anti-democratic. The censorship was super anti-democratic. For years, after it happened, people would say,
21:04 why do you still talk about the Hunter Biden laptop story being suppressed on social media? And it's like, I talk about it because that's a huge fucking deal. Are you joking? The fact that weeks before a presidential election, you have an act of mass censorship to protect one of the two guys running for the presidency of the United States, it's unthinkable, the censorship apparatus that we endured. And, you know, at the time, I was like, this feels like authoritarianism. And you look at the way the left talks about free speech and they don't believe in it anymore. And there was all this polling to indicate that, that the way they
21:40 thought about free speech had massively changed. And that is not just a difference of opinion. Like, for example, immigration, like how much immigration would you like or not? That's a difference of opinion. When you start changing how you think about our ability to speak about immigration, now we're talking about a different political system. Now we're talking about the difference between, again, liberalism and authoritarianism. These are the authoritarians, and they are totally cannibalizing the Democratic Party. Super, super, super, super scary stuff to me. Yeah, yeah. I think it's, that is the general feeling. I'm sure there are people, the problem is there are Democrats on the center left who absolutely believe in law and order, but they're more afraid of,
22:26 it's the kind of knee-jerk, but the right, more afraid of Trump, more afraid of the reaction to the left, but it does feel like 10 years of the left being like, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you as they're kind of taunting, and the right is, you don't, the amount of, like, self-restraint that I feel has, the right wing has shown over the years is actually remarkable. But someone smarter than me did say the left views violence kind of is something a lever you can shift up and down. And the right, it's like there's zero and then there's once you,
23:05 once you start that, you can't stop. Once you flip that switch, they know, they understand once, okay, you're going to push us until we go to war. You're not going to like that. that nobody wants this. It's very like them trying to control the feelings that they have energy.
23:23 It's like my dad is a Vietnam vet. And so I've seen him snap a few times in my life. And other than that, he's like a kind of guy who's fishing. He's like a fishing, chill, Zen. He's in the truck. I remember something like smoking Marlboro's listening to classic rock. He was in a band. He's trying like not to be bothered guy.
23:43 Right. And then when he goes red, it's like truly the scariest shit. I've ever seen in my entire one. Like, like absolutely scary. And it's like he's been trying to hold that back. And that is how I see. I personally, I'm kind of with you. I see that with the right as well. I think the left thinks this is bad. It's like you have no idea what people are holding back. But I think it's a good point to bring up about these centrists on the left, who I do empathize with. And I want to make space for in this podcast, who I think they're actually, they're thinking about things in a very similar way as us. They just see, as you said, as you said,
24:16 the likeliest slip into authoritarianism coming from Trump and MAGA. They really see that as authoritarian. I think they never stopped talking about J6 because for them, that was an actual attempted coup, whereas I saw it as like a clownish kind of like sideshow type performance thing. And I think that if you don't see it, if you see it as an attempted coup, you have to be sitting there like, how are these people talking so casually about the problems of, you of, you know, left-wing people talking about pronouns when we have a fascist in office. And there I don't really know what to say other than I've looked at every single case.
24:57 And I just kind of disagree with their read on this. And I also listen to everything left-wing people say. And I feel like there's a not even feel like I'm confident. There's a much larger group of people on the base, as you would call it, of the left, who are pro-violence and pro-authoritarianism at this point. And I am just genuinely much more scared of them than I am of anyone. on the right, our worst actors on the right tend to be very marginalized. And I don't see that at all happening on the left. But I think that is that that's that is that for centurists,
25:27 that is the question is just like which one of them are you more afraid of? And then at that point probably what happens is you just stop seeing the other side a little bit, which I even try and guard for myself. Because obviously I, I criticize the left a lot. And that's because I'm so worried about them. But I think, you know, you can get into a you can get into a habit of doing that so often that you think, well, this crazy thing that Donald Trump is doing is just whatever. It's an aberration. It's not a big deal. And I want to try and, you know, be mindful of that because certainly when I look at the left, that's how they've gotten to where they are at this point. I mean, I do think their party platforms have actually changed much more than anything on the right.
26:06 You know, the idea of free speech, for example, not being sacred is super, super, super new. That is like a very new idea. The idea of open borders is extremely new on the left. Yeah, but they also want to pass the courts and get rid of the electoral college. That is completely new. The idea that we're going to effectively abolish the Supreme Court in its current state, get rid of the Senate. These are ideas that were very, very marginalized and, if discussed at all, and are now table stakes. And for the left-leaning person to win, I don't see any, what are the Republicans talking about that's different than they were talking about in the 90s? In the 90s, they were talking about deportation.
26:46 I've listened to people talk about deportation my whole life and it has not happened. So what else is there? Like what are the structures to the government that they want to change? Like what I mean, they're pro-gate. They've liberalized. They're generally much more pro-gay marriage, maybe abortion, Roe v. Wade, but have Republicans ever been pro-abortion? I think they've been arguing about Roevi Wade since Roe v. Wade happened.
27:12 Yeah. So it's just like I don't really think that much about them has changed. But again, you know, get in the comments. Tell us we're wrong. We're biased. You do have to move on. Yeah, last thoughts, the Bridget on this. Well, yeah, just that I understand.
27:23 I, too, try to stay balanced and people will say, there was something on the kind of never Trump side where they were talking about how the equivalent of the left-wing denial of Biden's mental state is basically the right-wing denial of Trump's corruption. And there's a little. lot about I've done and this is why I worry that we are already boiled frogs because my brain goes oh everyone's corrupt like okay well why don't we talk about the Biden corruption because there was Biden corruption there too so we're going to play charisma we were talking about Ukraine for a long time yeah so and that worries me that I just go well everyone's corrupt we're already
28:12 in a corrupt everybody's every politician is corrupt How come every politician has to pardon their children? Like, what are we freaking doing here? But again, that is a shockingly new. That is the fact that that happened under Biden. That's another thing that happened under Biden. And I said, that's the beginning of the end. There's no going back after that.
28:31 Every president is going to be doing this. It's going to be lawfare every time. It's going to be crazy pardons every time. And then once those are baked in, how do you not expect there to be massive fraud constantly on, again, both sides? because that is, that is, you've now set up the system for that. It's, yeah, very bad. Very bad.
28:51 The thing about Shane, though, he was correct to shed light on the important issue of women dreading, dressing like horrors in the gym. I'm glad he did. I hope he says it again. I hope that Saturday Night Live brings him back and tries to have him, the conversation that Kenan said they were going to have, which was like a heart to heart on what did you do kind of vibes, like from one comedian to another, bro, get out of here.
29:11 You're basically talking about bringing him back. and struggle sessioning him. That's what you're saying. You're saying, oh, when he comes back, we're going to be like, we're going to talk to him like a child and infantilize him and be like, oh, Shane, how do you feel about that, buddy?
29:26 Would you have done something different? Like you're Miss Rachel talking to this grown man who literally sells out stadiums. This guy is, he is every man. This is what people do. And this is my white pill actually is that the culture is like, uh-uh, we're not doing that. We're not going back.
29:46 You're not going to do this anymore. You don't get to just for now. But then I do worry if they try and nationalize Starlink or only hope to free speech at all anymore. I mean, this is why these things are connected. And this is why these topics are the topics that we choose is because they're targeting Vila Musk is not just an intimidation thing. When they're talking about nationalizing his technology as you, so glad you raised that. We're not just talking about punishing him by taking his shiny things.
30:18 We're talking about our communications infrastructure. And we're talking about making it less liberal. Okay. Like, I do think that we are, as people who are constantly both of us maligned as these very unreasonable super ultra right wing people, it's like, I'm literally a liberal. I'm literally arguing for textbook liberalism. Like, to my, to my fault. I think. I think sometimes I'm too liberal. I think sometimes my reaction to acts of aggression is not severe enough because we are in this very scary dynamic where it seems to be some kind of power struggle for the country right now that is growing. But yeah, we're just a couple of liberals trying to make the world. I mean, honestly, how are we any different than a Clinton Democrat?
31:07 Like, how is what we believe any different than what Democrat? They did move very far. We're a Biden, a Biden Democrat. When Biden said, we got to stop the super predators. I said, sign me up. Sign me up, Joe. We are aligned on this issue. If you're building a company, you need Monaco.
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32:04 Okay, so California Walth Tax. If you read the official PirateWire's voting guide, you know there's a ballot prop in the state of California, you definitely want to be voting against this year if you value your property. And that is, of course, Prop 40, the so-called billionaire tax act. We've long covered how the measure basically amounts to the end of founder-controlled startups in the state, how just the prospect of it passing has already caused a number of job creators to leave California, and how it's probably not temporary or a one-time tax as proponents claim.
32:36 Meanwhile, a new analysis from the National Bureau of Economic Research shows that Prop 40 would collect roughly $30 billion. However, when accounting for all the lost income from people leaving the state, the net value is negative $39 billion. Trader Roe Kana, friend of the show, has been going after critics of the ballot prop. He wrote on X this week that this November, California can tax billionaire wealth to pay for health care for children or ban it forever. Sergey Brin and Peter Thiel are bankrolling the bankrolling.
33:10 with Newsom as their cheerleader. That's because, yes, even the California governor has expressed some concerns about the initiative. Bridget as a Texan, it sounds like you might have a lot of new neighbors here coming up pretty soon. How concerned should we be that California is going full communist? I mean, they're already Comifornia. What are we talking about?
33:32 Yeah, I think that I've been hearing a lot of people. Obviously, PyroWire's, we've covered the well tax before anybody. We were the first outlet to actually cover this as something serious because it gave me tremendous. The second I read about it on X, someone had mentioned the coming ballot prop. I knew that it had a good chance of passing. And I sort of felt that probably this wasn't about money but about power because I've been following local politics really closely in San Francisco and tech people have had a huge impact on kind of correcting the ship in a more moderate direction. I've heard a lot of people say
34:12 they don't think it's going to happen. A lot of people in tech think there's no way this can pass, actually. So much money has been put on the other side of it. And people seem to be, even a lot of liberals that I talk to, every liberal. I don't know any liberal myself in tech, who's like, yes, stick it to the man. I just think that we are overestimating the electorate's hatred of billionaires right now. This has been years of propaganda. blaming rich people for all of your problems is, of course, the opposite. You know, the 1% pay for everything in society. Certainly the top 10% pay for everything that we have in terms of public infrastructure.
34:48 And the bottom 10% are net recipients. They're receiving, they're receiving things. They're not paying every time I hear Rokana talk about the poor, paying more in taxes than the rich. It's like the poor don't pay taxes at all. That's just, it's just a complete lie. It's a complete fantasy situation. This is some Atlas shrug shit, but I think it's time to actually make the case against the wealth tax.
35:11 I think it's not been, I've not been persuasive on this issue. I think that people hear it and they think, well, billionaires are not paying enough, which I think actually probably, it's like are people paying too much? I don't know if I would say they're not paying enough, but they are paying less on a percentage basis than regular rich people for sure. because if you're not taking in income and having that be taxed, then you're going to pay less. Your tax rate is going to be lower. I want to address that idea. This ballot prop, ballot prop 40, first of all, is retroactive.
35:47 So the concept of a retroactive tax that you can pass is crazy to me. The fact that you can say you were here years ago and we're going to take money from you, means you cannot escape the state. I don't understand a precedent. No, that's crazy. I don't know how you can say in 10 years when California's, going completely bankrupt, how you can't say, sorry, everyone who lived here in the last tech bull run has to pay their fair share and they come after you across, across state lines.
36:13 I don't know how that doesn't set up a president like that. Two, this isn't a one-time tax, as they say. This specifically in the writing of the ballot prop allows for this tax to be activated multiple times. Three, taxes. If you're like, you know, I don't care about any of that stuff. I just want the billionaires to be taxed. Do you not care about fraud? Like, where is this money that you're raising actually going to go? You as someone who is not the dregs of society, and I'm talking about Democrats in California now, if you are not in category dregs of society, you're not seeing any of this money.
36:50 This money is going to people on government-sponsored healthcare, many of whom are illegal immigrants. They should not even be in this country, and they're getting these funds, okay? It's not even going to them, is it? Well, that is what the whole is filling, but you're right. Fraud is the other real part here. It's like, why do you not care about the fraud? And when we look at the numbers on fraud, if you were to patch up those funds, you would be able to pay for all of this shit.
37:19 But I think that all of that maybe is not even persuasive to you because you just think, like, well, fuck billionaires. And I would say that this idea of a one-time tax that's not one-time, that's retroactive, insane on just billionaires is not going to just be for billionaires. No. And not even in the short term, but if you just look at the structure of what happens here, we've never had a tax. This is not a tax.
37:42 This is you have the government tallying up. They're literally bringing in a third party to tally up everything that you own, all the property that you have. And then they're going to seize a percentage of that. That is a new kind of relationship with the government. What they're saying at that point is, this is all post tax, all this funds have already been taxed, your property's been taxed, you were taxed on sales, sales tax. What they're saying is whatever you take home after all of that is still not yours. Like, you effectively never own
38:13 anything again. Everything that you own is on lend from the government. This is an insidious law that if let to pass, we'll set a precedent in this country that we will never recover from. And you have to vote no on this. Bridget, tell me about your approach to the Californians now fleeing into Texas. I mean, denaturalize and deport any of them who vote blue. I don't understand it. I don't get it. I don't.
38:40 I don't understand. Again, this is where I do understand the people who are like, ugh, independence. And I think we need independence. I think it's good to take things case by case and issue by issue. But it does feel a little bit like this is not a red, versus blue thing so much anymore as it is, do you believe in America and do you want,
39:09 or do you want communism? It just feels more and more like those are the two directions that we're headed in. And the left is very open right now about how the, I mean, Prop 40 is just more of the same thing that we're seeing everywhere, where they're just openly saying, okay, we can just tease your stuff. Cool. I mean, they definitely want to go after all the people
39:36 who left in like 2020. There's no doubt in my mind that if they can get away with passing it to January 1st, 2026, well, now we're actually going to go back to January 1st, 2020, because we had all of those people who fled after the lockdowns and got out and took their money with them. You had Elon who took all of his companies out, and they're still mad about that, even though that was completely their fault. So I don't see why that would stop them from continuing to just try and steal from people who left. And I don't think that's constitutional. And I'm sure it would set up a case that went to the Supreme Court. But who knows what that's going to look like if the courts are packed? You cannot, this is that old saying, you can vote.
40:27 your way into communism and you can't vote your way out. Well, they're also super open about wanting to take this national. California is not what they want. The only people on the left who are saying they don't want this. So we talk about Gavin Newsom and Rokane is saying, well, Gavin Newsom is being a cheerleader for the billionaires who are trying to ban, to ban the wealth tax. Imagine banning asset seizure. Like what are you talking?
40:50 It should already be banned. That should be just the law. It's like, I have a right to my property. How can you just take it? That's outrageous. But, yeah, Rose Wright, we're trying to ban theft. We are trying to ban that. But Gavin...
41:02 You're a right-wing fascist if you believe that. Right, as of seconds ago. But Gavin Newsome is only a cheerleader against the current California ballot prop. He is in support of a national wealth tax, which, of course, Bernie Sanders has been, you know, banging the drum for for many, many years. A little tin cup. Right, right. Yeah. You know what Bernie Sanders really is too? I thought about this recently. We had a whole discourse about this in the early 2000s. The song was called No Scrubs. And that is what a fucking communist is. Like, why did we ever start saying, oh, they're like social justice. No, he's old and
41:46 poor and he wants you to pay for his things. He's a fucking scrub. It's great. It's so embarrassing. Like imagine being an 80-year-old communist. Like, get a job. How do we ever just, like, lower our expectations of people to this degree where we've like, we've like idealized this behavior. It's pathetic. And maybe, you know, if these are the expectations that women have for men these days, like this could possibly also have something to do with the birth rate decline.
42:15 I don't know. That's a much more complicated topic. I'm on here to, you know, dig in there. I do think that people need to take real measure of themselves and their lives and what they want that to look like. What in the future do you want the government to be able to do to you? Because that's the conversation that we're having right now. The conversation we're having right now is can the government come into your house and look at your things and just take 5% of them? People often want to compare this to a property tax.
42:52 The property tax is nothing like this. A property tax is, first of all, a tax that you're opting into. You're buying a piece of land, which is a finite resource in our country that is serviced by public utilities. Fire, police, it's associated with schools and things like this. Roads, electrical work. Like, you are paying money ostensibly for that. Is there all sorts of abuse there? Yes.
43:17 Are the taxes you hide, by the way? yes, I think that property taxes should be much lower. Should they be connected to schools? Probably not. Probably not. Exactly. Yes. Like these things are, they're bad.
43:27 I'm not saying this is a good tax, but it is a fundamentally different thing when you are opting into something. And then that relationship is such that the money you're paying is to service the thing that you've purchased. This is someone walking into, like I said, walking to your house saying, give me 5% of everything you own. It is truly unlike anything that we've ever seen in history and in American history. Are they just going to have like assessors going through him being like he's got a jet ski?
44:02 He's got a, he's got a Monet. Yes, they talk about this. Yes, because it's obviously really complicated to figure out how much everyone owns. And so- Show me out your jewelry. Yes, well, I think that that's, yes, that is where this is going. Your artwork. That's crazy.
44:16 It is it is some fucking Bolshevik shit paired with the behavior that we're now seeing from the government certainly the rhetoric talking about imprisoning people for being associated with Republicans it's like yeah this is a very it's stacking up to something very scary and something that you just have to resist this is mafia behavior it's it is insane and I've always said this about California they act like mafia they they just like they when I left California, even from the business, they were still trying to get money from me five years later,
44:49 and I'm not a millionaire. I'm not even a millionaire. I'm a hundred thousandaire. Like, not even a millionaire, and they were still trying to nickel and dime me for this tax or that tax from different counties. I'm like, am I ever going to be free of this stupid state? And I can't imagine what it's like
45:09 when you have a lot of vast wealth and you have that government. And now imagine if that does go national. You'll never, you'll never escape it, ever. Yeah, I just got a bill from the city of San Francisco. It was like a couple hundred dollars, I think. And it was for, it was some kind of rental fee. Like, like, this is like your rent,
45:35 this is a fee that you're going to pay for renting your home. If you're not renting your home, you got to go through this whole, long process to explain to us that you should be opted out of this. But it was a default assumption that you had to pay this thing. Yeah, that's just like you mentioned something interesting about how these people are going to end up like as under communism doing all sorts of shady shit. It's like, yes, we're creating a world where basically everything is illegal and everyone
46:06 is a criminal. And in a world where everyone is a criminal, I think the crime actually does get worse, not just because you've brought in the definition, but because people's moral intuition is now warped between what is acceptable and what is not. It's not even clear at that point when you have a government that is so fraudulent itself and doesn't even uphold your basic rights. You know, with the social contract in total violation, I don't think it's necessarily at that point if we're, I'm not saying we're there, but I'm saying if you were to get at that point, I'm not sure that defrauding the government would even be a,
46:42 immoral because the government itself is immoral. It's like grossly immoral. You're living in an authoritarian country. So I don't want to live in that world. Well, guys, it is time for you to buy a house. Unfortunately, that house costs $2.79 million and your competition is an AI dumer building AI and anthropic paying cash. That's why you need autopilot. The platform that lets you invest alongside politicians like the trader O'Connor and real-time traders automatically. You build the cash let autopilot help build the wealth. Autopilot is built by the same team behind the infamous Pelosi tracker and now includes our own Pirate Wire's flagship fund, which you can find over on the autopilot site at www.joinautopilot.com. But what we really have to do at this point is talk
47:36 about incest. Riley, as our resident expert, take it away. I don't know about incest expert. expert on Ilhan marrying her brother, maybe, because it appears that the walls are closing in for this brother lover from the state of Minnesota. Earlier this month, agents with the Department of Homeland Security searched the Washington, D.C. home of Ilhan Omar as part of an investigation, believed to be related to immigration fraud on the part of the Congresswoman. Last month, U.S. officials said they were investigating whether Omar illegally entered the country by falsifying her immigration paperwork. with sources telling the New York Post that the Congresswoman may have falsified her age as being a minor at the time would have allowed her to become a naturalized U.S. citizen. Meanwhile, an interesting fine came this week when a filing from the DC U.S. Attorney's Office was released as part of this case, identifying Omar as Ilhan Nur-S. Saeed Elmi, indicating that the Congresswoman may be here in America under a false identity. The plot is thickening there.
48:44 And another reason why that's notable is because Saeed Elmi is also the last name of Omar's second husband, who has long been speculated to be her brother. And we have, of course, covered here at Pirate Wires that her father was a high-ranking member of a genocidal regime in Somalia, which likely would have disqualified him from immigrating to America in the first place, something that online fact-checkers conveniently covered up. For her part, Omar says this is just an attempt by the Trump administration to target political enemies, a topic that we just covered here with the Elon segment. Do you guys think that's what we're seeing here, or is the admin justified in taking a closer look at Ilhan Omar? You think he's targeting her, right?
49:32 I think that she both committed crime and she's being targeted. I think that you can believe both, and that's the only way to really understand lawfare. There is this interview that you guys should all watch if you haven't already, which is on Ms. Now, the formerly known as MSNBC. You have Chris Hayes, I think his name is, who sits down with Elon Amar and their buddies. And he does the only interview we've seen of her since. And in that interview, it's, I mean, it's journalistic malpractice. I mean, it's really not journalism. It's framed like it's total propaganda.
50:03 But he opens up saying that there's key stuff that they've cut now from the interview because she said to him, that her lawyers recommended or not talk about this or that subject. But then when I watched the whole thing, and there's not a moment where she says, oh, I can't talk about that, which is important because it means that there are subjects that are sensitive to her, that we don't even know what they are.
50:25 And MSNBC is concealing them from us. So there's very little. We don't know much from the government right now. We don't know much from Elon Omar or the media that's supposed to be covering her. she did say that they took 17 items. If she's not lying, they gave her a receipt. This is all easily verified.
50:44 So I can't imagine she would lie about this. When they raided her house, they were very polite, she said. And they took 17 things. The only things that she actually mentioned were a camera of her, of her husbands and some of her husband's notebooks. And then she mentioned she referenced like other notebooks. So my initial thought was like, is this even about Elon? on. It seems like it has to be. We do know about the immigration fraud claims. I do think that she married, I think it's like her, I don't think it's like an actual biological brother, but I could be
51:16 wrong. I mean, they're taking DNA evidence. It sounds like I think that she committed some kind of immigration fraud, both for him and then they're not even charging her for that. I don't think. They're charging her for, again, these are like mostly speculation and rumors, but it sounds like they're going after her age, which would have been lied about. She would have had to have lied about it. since if she went and got a passport, she would have had to have lied about it again herself, which means that she was, she was, you know, complicit in some kind of fraud as an adult. Yeah, I think that she, I think probably there's something here. I think that she wouldn't have to get a warrant to storm a sitting Congress member's house
51:57 and take a bunch of things, the bar for that is extremely high. I think there's something there, probably. So, yeah, I mean, I think probably she committed fraud and it makes me uncomfortable that this is happening. So they're saying they're saying basically that she lied to to be younger so she could come in on her father's immigration and not have to go through her own immigration process. That is what I've gathered so far. I think that we still don't fully know what the claims from the government even are. They're holding it close. We're kind of like piecing this together from things that they've seized.
52:36 They opened her record, information they've requested. You know, this is all still kind of not settled. But yes, that's what it sounds like. Yeah, this is a, this is a tricky one because. But here's why it's tricky because we hate her. That's why I think that that's the only reason. If I'm being honest with myself, the only reason that I find it tricky is I cannot fucking standard. I think that she's evil. She can't stand America. Exactly. She eats America. Every
53:06 I know. I know she hates America. I also want to know how much fraud was ushered into the state of Minnesota on her watch. Like there's good questions. There are it is it is fair of me to ask these questions because there seems to be quite a lot of fraud in that state that we are not aware of. Another thing that we need to know about is her husband's finances. It's crazy in an interview like this where I mean, he actually, there are two moments where he alludes, he gets into kind of real subjects. One is this mysterious man who she married, right? She was with her husband. She divorces him.
53:41 She marries some other guy. Her husband's still living with her. Other guy vanishes. She remarries her husband. So who is that guy? If not her half brother. Why did you do that? Tell me more about that marriage, right?
53:52 Like none of those follow up questions asked in this interview. And it's like, it seems very relevant to this case now that is about her potentially, potentially it's related to this history of fraud in this woman's life. But then the other one that was crazy is he's just laughing as he talks about these stupid Republicans who took seriously the accounting glitch that said her husband was worth $30 million. And it turns out actually his business has all lost money. So they're worth like close to $0. And that was reported publicly by her. It's a small error to go from $30 million. Like who in there? What tax guy is like, hey, seems like you're worth $30 million. I'm going to just run with it, not going to double check with you.
54:35 How do you yourself not know that you're not worth $30 million? There's like a winery that we don't know anything out. It's like mysterious winery. Just Google winery. It wasn't, were they not selling any wine? I feel like I saw that. Yes. Well, that's the story.
54:48 Again, but these are like underreported things. But the main one is like, no, it's not, it's not just like we're chuckling over the fact that your husband's finances dropped from $30 million to $0 after you had intense public scrutiny over this fact. that's a huge open question that we should discuss, like, what is going on there? And he just didn't do it. But again, those are things that are not related to this case. So if this case that I know of, if this case is just about her father falsifying her age to make her immigration easier, then we are dealing with something that like in a perfect world, everyone who does that would be deported in my mind, but we're not living in that world. We're living in a world where probably the average person who does that does not. get deported, does not even have anyone open up their case, which does mean to me that she's being targeted just because she's Elin Amar and she hates America, which is, that's true, but that's a question that you have to ask when she tries to move here, not so many decades later, she has four
55:45 kids, she's a congresswoman, like that's, I think it's very clearly an example of, if that is the case, to me, it's very clearly an example of lawfare as much as it hurts me to say it, because the idea of her being deported does make my heart sing. But I'm like, you know, it's like good angel, bad angel on my shoulder right now and I'm struggling. So that's what I'm out. But, but okay, at the very least, should they allowed to be in Congress? No. So, I mean, if you commit fraud, I don't know how I don't understand how you can be in charge of
56:16 our immigration strategy if you've committed immigration fraud. Yeah. Okay, maybe we don't deport her, but you shouldn't certainly be allowed to be part of these policies. Listen, at this point, if she's committed these crimes, I think you have to go. through if you know about the crimes, it is what it is. Now it has to go through the justice, the, uh, the justice system. But I, I just think, sorry, there's nothing we can do. I'm just laughing because it is so funny because I'm like, you, you're so good at just getting down to the like, if we're being honest, it's because we ate her. I mean, we all know that.
56:52 Trump knows that. I think Trump promised a deporter before he even knew anything about the case. He was like, you know, deported. Like if Trump deports Ilhan Omar, I'm voting for him for a third time. He could run on probably just that and win to the dismay of Libs who are like, this is and that, I mean, is it authoritarian? I mean, I think it's, I don't think it's authoritarianism to not want people who hate your country to move to your country and then craft policy designed to destroy your country, which is truly how I, I truly do see her as a traitor to the country and someone who wants
57:22 us hurt. However, I as a liberal am stuck having to defend my values against, people who don't believe in them. And to defend the value, I think I have to just at least acknowledge that I'm completely biased on this issue because I see that woman as someone who, I mean, she really is to me like one of the worst things about the country right now. The fact that people like her could be in charge is like that is the whole, like much more so than even AOC, who I would classify as someone who I just really don't agree with on a lot of things. But I don't believe that that woman fundamentally hates us in a way that I know that this woman does. But that's not how
57:59 our law works. I don't think. I mean, I know. I agree with you. You can't, you can't afford her. I'm sorry. We have talked about this on dumpster fire because I, I don't think you should be allowed to serve in Congress if you committed immigration fraud. Now, call me crazy. And why? Part of the reason that we haven't even discovered it yet is because this was always seen as like a right-wing conspiracy. Yes. So no curiosity from the journalist whatsoever. And like you said, they'll sit down and do kind of cozy interviews or they laugh at all these conspiracies. And then you find out, oh, maybe there is some there there.
58:47 And what are we supposed to do with that information? It is clearly that So we're just supposed to be like, cool I guess we'll let her be a congresswoman even though she lied about who, whatever, all these myriad of things. I mean, yeah, all these things.
59:09 She lied about her marriage. She lied about her age. She lied about her name. She lied about her father's history in a genocidal army. Like, I mean, you just go down the list. She has lied about a lot of things. I also don't feel like we know enough, which is the reason that I haven't.
59:27 This has been like the edging of stories. You know, they keep just like tossing things out. But it does seem like you said, there, the bar to even do what they're doing is very, very high. So something is there now. And she seems nervous, you know, from what I've seen. She's definitely nervous. But not nervous in that. way of like cocky, I'm going to fight this and I've got nothing to hide, more nervous than like,
59:56 oh, shit, I got busted. Yeah. I mean, when I watched the interview, I found myself feeling bad for her. She's very charming. She's almost crying at one point. Chris keeps trying to make her cry. He keeps, like, goading her into easy. The whole interview opens with, like, describe your, like, inner feelings on the morning that
01:00:16 your house was raided, you know, by these evil fascist cops. But even throughout the interview, I mean, she did a lot. She clearly did a lot of work to be charming to a broader range of people, myself included. I mean, it's like, I don't know why she would, she's multiple times. She talked about how polite the officers were and all of this. And she, of course, blamed, but she did a lot of things I would expect anyone to do in the situation. It's like she's saying it's like, you know, it's all fake and they are just persecuting me
01:00:48 because of not even her politics, but her religion, she kept saying. It's like specifically because I'm Muslim. And it's like she's right. She talks about them hating her. And that's what she thinks is motivating this attack. And I think she's right about that. I think she's actually right that what's motivating this scrutiny is a hatred of her. I don't think it's because she's Muslim.
01:01:10 I think it's because she hates the country. And people find that to be outrageous, that you could that you could move here, be taken in, receive all of our charity, become a congresswoman, and still should talk to the country. It's just like that engender's hatred. Like, of course my reaction is hatred. But again, it's not because you're Muslim. And also, even though the scrutiny, I think is unfair, and I think it does classify as lawfare, unless there's a case that I really don't know about, which is possible, by the way. If there are details of this case that are much bigger than we can have a different conversation, maybe next week or the week after. But nonetheless, the stuff that we're talking about now did happen. And so,
01:01:47 I do have this question of, okay, well, even though the scrutiny was maybe unfair, if she broke the law and continues to this day to break the law, I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that now as a good liberal. She's also done a lot of fundraising videos off of this. I'm sure she is absolutely making a killing off of this. I'm sure like the leftist base is totally rallying around her in the same way the right base did around Trump when he was the target of all this. So I'm sure in some way it's actually like really benefiting her electorally. Well, have the Democrats really? I mean, I've seen a couple of comments. But has the party really gone all in defending Elon Omar?
01:02:26 I don't know. Like where, where? Yeah, they really haven't. That actually, now that you mention it, that to me is the most suspicious part of all this. Because you would think we would be hearing nonstop from the left wing about how they're unfairly targeting this Congresswoman. and it's fascism and and she's being um and we're not really hearing that you're actually right i mean i usually definitely like a little like a little bit of this but even it feels it feels more muted i think people are waiting to see the the the full case and what is actually yeah the media is not
01:03:04 really going hard in the pain on this one either i mean you got this miss now interview which is you know a little bit of a soft a massive soft what you expect from them they are a propaganda outlet And nothing really else. Yeah, that's interesting, actually. You would think... Like, is it even... This seems... I mean, this just happened.
01:03:21 Like, what is on the front page of the New York Times right now? It also seems like this would be prime, like, get your base activated for the midterms for them. Yeah. So... Especially out in, like, Michigan. Like, where, like, where there's a lot of overlap between Elon and, um, and El Saeed. Crazy. The names that I'm saying on this podcast these days.
01:03:46 Like, what are we guys? What happened? I saw Obama said something. Obama is, but you're right, it has been more muted than you would expect. He said the government can't selectively target individuals simply because of their political beliefs or what they say. And that's what the Trump admin is doing to Omar. That's what he said. I mean, didn't they jailed journalists under Obama?
01:04:14 I mean, yes. Listen, I mean, like we also clearly all the targeting. of Trump and his allies was politically motivated. Yes, we've already talked about it. It's like the law fair is clear. But what he did not do there was say that the crime didn't happen. It's not a sham. It's not, of course, she never committed fraud.
01:04:29 It's like she's being unfairly scrutinized. Yeah, they're being very careful. He has to be careful because she definitely committed lots of crime. And this is just the crime that we know. I mean, she 100% like facts, facts. Fact check me. Crime absolutely committed. I am the jury and I say she did it, but we shouldn't have looked too closely because that's
01:04:53 lawfare and that's bad. We have to move on. So, Bridget, last thoughts? Yeah, I've been kind of fascinated with the idea that I keep seeing this and I don't know how I feel about it, but I'm starting to kind of understand it more and more. It's like the denaturalizing and deporting is the like moderate position in the place in the places like, this. kind of leads into what's happening in Europe. It's more something I've seen around Europe, where it's like what's happening there, that that idea that you're just going to like denaturalize and deport someone is actually the moderate position. I think we need a white pill. We do need the white pill. Riley. Yeah, does a white pill like get any better than a literal flying
01:05:41 car? Because that's what we saw this week, folks. As you've probably seen by now, Elon, who's still a free man for the time being, sorry, Karas Wisher, unveiled the new Tesla Roadster at a test site near Waco, Texas, and it literally flew or hovered at least after driving up a straight vertical ramp. While it's unclear how or if those flying maneuvers will be available to the general public, Elon says that production is started to begin in 2008, but because not all of us are enlightened and white-pilled, some on the internet decided to be narcs, including Wired Magazine, who, as we covered in our daily
01:06:22 newsletter, brought up the obvious fact that a flying car is going to introduce a bunch of regulations, duh. Salana, I saw you make reference to the popular meme pointing out the irony and the guy who bought the 140 character company now giving us flying cars. What did we make of this massive white pill? I mean, first of all, I saw someone describe it. Did you see it? There was a guy who quote tweeted the story of the flying car.
01:06:48 It was like, this is literally fascism. And then, okay, you did. So then there's a thread where he really, he's like, people are yelling at me now. Sorry, you can't connect the dots. And you can't naturally just intuitively understand how flying cars were fascism. But I mean, this is a person that went massively viral. That tweet got like, I think, plus 50,000 plus likes, like millions of views.
01:07:10 I think that these people sort of self-described anti-favit. fascists, they really need to go at least one day without making fascism sound like something that any mentally well person would obviously love. Like if that's fascism, that's fascism. Not having riots is fascism, having a border is fascism, flying cars as fascism. Who doesn't want to live in their version of fascism? If that's what fascism is, I mean, I'm very weird about I hate taking on labels because I know that the definitions change so much. But I'm in favor of law and order, and I'm in favor of a border, and I'm certainly in favor of flying cars. So make of that what you will. Bridget, are you a fascist? A techno fascist?
01:07:55 Oh, 100%. But it is funny to me that you have, we have this time, we're alive at such a cool time. This is my white pill. Because we have medieval warfare happening in Europe where they're dumping, boiling pots of water out on protesters. And you've got all of these, you know, what looks like early, like the pre-crucrucades occurring, a new crusades happening. And you also have flying cars. Like it's crazy. Guys, we were saying this on dumpster fire. We can be living until we're 300 and have flying cars.
01:08:32 But you idiots are out there burning cities down. Stop getting in the way of our futuristic reality. Well, then they're going to say, like, well, we just want to be able to afford housing and that's a problem. What do the French have? They get everything for free. But yeah, it's not a problem in France. And I think that that's also just, as you were saying, people have had, they've been way poorer always until like now. Always. They've always been much. Yeah, we just can't be happy about anything. I think the housing, listen, I think the housing thing is a huge, huge, huge, obvious crisis that we talk about here all the time and write about all the time and have
01:09:09 plans for that we try and persuade people to all of the time. I think that if you can, can't look around on a day that there's a flying car in front of you and be like, wow, that's pretty cool. Then you're poisoned. There's something in your information diet that has actually poisoned you and you are not capable of experiencing any kind of awe anymore. And that means that you're going to be unhappy. There was this reporting that came out. It was an index. A happiness index came out that the New York Post I saw reporting on. And we're seeing wild skews to unhappiness. We're talking a majority of people of all ages other than boomers are unhappy. Boomers are just slightly over.
01:09:48 They're like 53% happy. They've gone up in happiness. So a lot of people blame boomers. They said, oh, well, boomers have gotten happy at the expense of everybody younger. No, boomers have gotten happier because they're old. And old people always become happier as they get older. They lose their anxiety. Oddly, it's this, like, well-known phenomenon that I can't understand because I'm young
01:10:06 enough to still be anxious about life. But they're at peace and they're feeling better, but they're not feeling as better. as older people before them. Everyone's unhappy. And I think it's except for Bridgett. And also me. I'm not that. Yeah,
01:10:19 like I was looking at that. I was like, I'm not, I'm really not unhappy. No, I also get a lot of joy out of being online. It doesn't, it doesn't.
01:10:27 That's crazy. That's fucked up. You are a psychopath. That's insane. No, but I do. I find that it's, maybe you know what happened?
01:10:41 I, and this is what, I love about Elon's X is so easy to get into it. You can just drop into any current of any algorithm that you want very quickly. And I clicked on like two or three, I can read you some right now. They're amazing. I clicked on two or three like woo posts. And now I'm calling it the wougar rhythm. And I am fully in the wuga rhythm. So whenever I go in, it's just you are amazing. You were born as to be here. All it takes is everything. Do not bow down. Make reality contend with the full force of your will. I mean, my entire algorithm, there's so much of this on X. I had no idea.
01:11:23 My whole, it's like Abraham Hicks, you know, like it's like an entire, I'm just getting awashed with like positive prosperity gospel and manifestation. Manifestation. Yeah. You live the life and create yourself. What's cool about that. is it actually the out it worked in real time for you it was your thought about it made you click and then that click actively reshaped your timeline which has changed your outlook um on the world right now it's like the manifestation stuff is real i'm also 100% real i him myself a manifestation there was one that was like um confidence ben's reality and i wrote it on my whiteboard I was like, I factually agree with this.
01:12:10 So maybe that is why. But I do get, I do think because I've been online for so long, I've had to build boundaries around it and and find ways. It's like if I find myself getting annoyed, getting my blood boiling, getting emotional, I generally take that as a sign to get offline. It's like, okay. Like there are times where I can't pull myself away, like when cities are burning. And my husband and I are both very good about like, I know this is this thing that's happening, but you're powerless over it. And you're basically watching like a train rack and you need to come tear yourself away.
01:12:49 So I will rubberneck a lot online. And that's my big thing that I try to work on is like there is a part of me that when something is unfolding very quickly like that. I have a very hard time pulling myself away from it. Like, I'm going to miss something. Yeah, we're in the early stages still of the internet relative to human history and the information age even. Certainly, the social media is new relative to that. And so we don't have really good mental hygiene practices. I was thinking this week, I've been in my car, because I'm driving back and forth to work, so I have some time away from the internet. And I've and I've in that space been thinking about the internet and my relationship with it and how and even on
01:13:38 the road i used to Miami i would have a little bit of road rage and i'm like oh i'm i'm practicing patience right now i'm trying to be like if i'm getting angry at people on the road that's not their fault they're just idiots on the road they're everywhere that's it's my fault for going to the road every day and expecting some kind of new behavior um so i need to calm down if i'm on the road and just allow people to be fucking retards on the road and that that Twitter, as I'm thinking about that on the road, I'm thinking about Twitter. Twitter is really a lot like this. I go to Twitter every single day and it, it provokes me immediately, like instant three, within three tweets on Matt. And that is, whose fault is that?
01:14:17 That's my fault. That is my fault. I go there every day. I go there every day and am triggered by something like a child. And I just need to practice patience. I need to, I need to be going in there, but I'm imagining myself now like in a body suit. My mom tells this story of when she first started dating my dad. They went camping a lot. We went camping a lot as a family after that. But she would look in the embers of the fire. And her, my dad would fantasize about putting on like a festus suits.
01:14:46 She called it. I don't know if that's a real thing. She might have made it up. But a suit that can protect you from the fire and like shrinking and then exploring these like glowing embery caves. And that is how you have to approach the harrowing information hell. that is Twitter, which is, by the way, the best one. That's way better than threads or Instagram comments, certainly in Blue Sky or Reddit. But that is maybe the approach that you have to have.
01:15:13 And I'm trying to have that it sounds like you're a little bit ahead of me on. But this is maybe the kind of thing. There'll be like a philosophy about it, a whole branch of philosophy about it in 20 or 30 years. How do you enter a world of information and retain your, sense of self. And something very difficult. It is very difficult. Something that changed for me recently is I've been thinking because it's been easier for me to just get into the currents of the different algorithms. And I think I used to be much more adversarial about it where it was like me against the algorithm. I felt like I had to feed the algorithm all the time. It was like I always imagined it like this little troll under a bridge and I had to like constantly feed. And then there was
01:16:00 Then the next step of that was me realizing it's not the, like, I made a t-shirt that was like, it's not the algorithm. You're, it's like, it's just me. You're just retarded, basically. Like, I would always want to blame the algorithm. And now, my, again, my more zen-like feeling about things is that I paddle out. I'm like a, I'm a surfer. So every day, because I do want my thoughts, you know, there is that.
01:16:30 weird thing where you're where you want to you're we're not going out there and saying things in the hope that they just die we also want them to either i would like to eventually be the wave but right now i'm surfing the waves of Shane gillis controversy and sydney and ilhan omar and every day i paddle out on my board and some days the waves are awesome and like sydney swine is big wave surfing and then And then some weeks are just shit. And there's no waves. And I get my butt kicked. And I feel like I suck.
01:17:07 And so now I have a more like, but I'm still going to paddle out every day. That's my new, that's my new image for it. It is like, I'd be like, I'm trying to be more like Bruce Lee about it. You know, be like water and just embrace. Because you also, you're so, you are much more ahead of me. because what I realized as you were describing the surfing is that I'm doing the same thing. And the difference is that you describe this as experience as something that brought you joy. And I impulsively am like, it makes me miserable.
01:17:43 But it's not true that it makes me miserable because I go out every day. I'm out there surfing. I am obsessed with it. I'm completely, completely obsessed. I love it. When I think back to even like the first column I ever did for that I got the first paid writing thing I ever did that should have showed me the way to everything was a an opinion column for my local newspaper. I got paid 50 bucks for it. And I would cause so much like commotion in my town writing this stupid column. Writing about breakfast. And I should have seen the writing on the wall that like I loved it. I would get like actual letters to the editor. People would tell me that I was a dry. drunk, which I, well, I wasn't dry. I was just drunk. And it was, it was, it was like,
01:18:35 I should have seen that this was something that I do enjoy doing. And again, just fighting against the algorithm on YouTube has, the past year has taught me so much. Like, Mr. Beast is right about the stuff that he says and that if you have a title and, um, yeah, that's, The t-shirt I had was it's not the algorithm you just suck. And we did just suck. Like I really, the minute I started taking some of his fricking advice, the video started doing better. And I was like, oh, it's also just a skill that I have to learn.
01:19:14 And it is something, it's not like the algorithm. But again, this is like the wugarism where I'm like, the universe is conspiring to lift you up. It is. It really does want to lift you up. And I think feeling like it's conspiring against me and the algorithm is conspiring against me and people are conspiring against me is just not. And again, this goes back to the whole tone of this entire episode. It is why I have such an issue with the kind of left wing mentality of entitlement and resentment and rage and I'm owed something.
01:19:49 Just like do the work and try and be lifted up. And that is what I want to try and do. And again, we are algorithms. surfers, but there are people who are like wave makers. And that is, that is like truly cool when you can like create a way of like that. I mean, I think pirate wires actually already does this. You do this with a lot of your writing. You do it once in a while. And it's for us, because we're smaller. But like, I think you've probably done it once in a while too. Yeah. I think you do know when you've done. Like there. Yeah, yeah. You start to feel yourself.
01:20:24 Where you like started discourse? You're like, this is crazy. I like, this is amazing. I started this with a piece like or something. And yeah, that I think when you and when we when we embrace that, it's much more. It helps me be much healthier about what I'm doing. Like, you know, in the morning, it's like putting on my wetsuit. We're going out.
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01:21:48 That's beautiful. I'm thinking about the self-driving cars today. I got to click on some of that woo shit as soon as I can. send you some. Please send me some so I can program the algorithm. I want to start manifesting more self-driving cars into my life. Well, you guys, I want to, what I really want to manifest are some comments. So get in there and like, tell me some stuff.
01:22:07 Tell me what you think about Elon Omar. Did she marry her brother? Should she be freed anyway? Free Elon. Maybe it's okay that she married her brother. I don't know. I'm not here to judge her today. Maybe next week.
01:22:17 It's been real. Goodbye. Thank you.
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