EP:66 - Saudi vs. Houthi Showdown II
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00:56Concern about your gambling or that is someone close to you. Call 1866-531-2600 to visit connectxontera.ca.Tonight on the show, me and Daryl Cooper talk about the wars, just like we do every week.All humans break.The difference between humans and gods is that gods can break humans.Negotiate now.End this war.You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton, debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present, and future.This is provoked.
01:40right there, Mr. Cooper, how you doing?Okay, good. I'm giving in. I'm wearing glasses.I'm here. I was just responding to one of our chat folks.Oh, good. They call me out for a technical difficulty that they don't really know occurred before the show today.They're just assuming one. I'm assuming. All right.Dude, I kind of, what's up with the T-shirt? I was really digging that professorial look you had last week and that you beat Wesley Clark over the head with earlier.Oh, this, yeah, this is my...I'm a cardigan guy, so like, I've got a freaking...
02:15Who accused me of wearing a sweater last week, which is totally false.Acused?Dude, cardigans...I've got a whole closet full of cardigans.I've got cardigans with, like, the leather elbows, all kinds of stuff going on.You got to get on the cardigan train.Look, if I was going to go, like, full elbow patches, then I guess I would.I got the pipe.
02:35But, uh...You need, like, the tweed jacket.Yeah.You at least need to have the option.You got to have one in your closet just for, you know, sometimes you just got to have one.Yeah.So what up?I don't know, man.
02:49I'm fighting the last war.I have no idea what's going on in the world.I did read the headlines at antiwar.com.They don't look good.Oh, you know what I should do?I should introduce an expat money.I can't share screens because my browser wouldn't work.So I had to use it.
03:02When was the last time the headlines at antiwar.com looked good?Oh, you know?maybe September 10th.Actually, if you go back to September 10th,2001, it's like some horror show in the Balkans.You know, Delta Force trained Al-Qaeda terroristsslaughtering Macedonians or, you know, something.Anyways, I forgot what I was going to say.
03:26Oh, I know.I can't share screens, man, because of browser stupidities.But what I can do, though, is I can talk about expat money.They sponsored this show.And you folks may have missed their,a big money summit where they teach you how to invest down Latin America way.But you can go watch it.Just go to expatmoney.com slash provoked.
03:45And first of all, you can sign and get your little booklet introduction to investing overseas.And then also you can find the archives of the great summit that they did over there at thebeginning of this month.And so that's expatmoney.com slash provoked.So they helped sponsor this show.And then we got a bunch of stuff to talk about.But first of all, oh, man, I can't share the screen on this either.sucks. I was going to show you. I went up against the Wesley Clark there, as you mentioned,
04:12on Pierce Morgan yesterday. And I have to say, it was worse than usual for me on my part,even though I'm always right about everything. But the thing of it was that here's my alibi,Cooper, all right? I have a lot of Scott Horton flavored coffee in the morning from, you know,Scott Horton.org slash coffee, Moondos Artisan coffees that sponsors this show and my other showtoo. I drink a bunch of that stuff in the morning because I wake up at like 4.30 in the morningbecause I got so much work to do. And I drink a bunch of that coffee. But then usually when I dothe Pierce Morgan Show, it's not until like 11.30 or 12. And I've had time to smoke a bunch ofweed and kind of come down from all that coffee. But this, we had to record really early in the
04:56morning. And then they did this thing. They made me do this a couple of times with John Bolton anda couple of these others where I got to sit there and watch him interview somebody else. But I can'tinterject and I got to sit there and go,and you know who you're dealing with here. Man, I don't have a temper for that.So I'm just squirming into my seat for like an hour wanting to ask something.And then they pit me up against, you know, I mean, Morgan and,and Clark both are just want to talk about Hitler.They just want to talk about the 1940s, dude.
05:28It's ridiculous, man.So I got kind of pissed off and sort of yelling at them.And then the MAGA guy was more or less on my side because he's on Trump's side,sort of, so to speak in this argument about the diesel deal and whatever.So, but then I ended up talking over him way more.And he was kind of behind my camera.I couldn't really, I wasn't really paying attention.But anyway, I went off too harsh.
05:51But then again, the things that they're saying is completely absurd.So what am I supposed to do?Like, keep my cool.I don't know.I say all this.And then they go, well, Neville Chamberlain had an umbrella.Like, I don't care about that.I was like after, because I hadn't seen it when we,
06:06you and I talked about it the first time and then I watched it.Based on the way you were talking about it,I was expecting flex a spit to be flying from your mouth and like just,you gave that full what he deserved.And maybe it's because I'm a veteran.I just like seeing a general get humiliated.Because, you know, those guys go through their whole liveswalking around on red carpets and stuff.
06:25Everybody come to attention whenever they walk into a room and yes, general,yes, sir.And to see Scott Horton, skater kid from Austin just beat him over the head.Repeatedly, by the way, how does somebody like Wesley Clark,when he gets asked to come on to Pierce Morgan, not ask for the guest list?Like, who am I going to be on with?And here's my one name blacklist that I will not appear with.Because it's just embarrassing to watch every single time.
06:51No, I thought you were effective.I know everybody in our chat thinks, you know, your audience, our audience loved it.And honestly, like, Pierce Morgan, that's not like a BBC show, right?It's online now, right?Yeah.Dude, people watch that show to see Anna Kaspari and, like, get wild-eyed and, like, call people names and stuff.I guarantee you everybody loved it.There's nobody watching that to see what kind of wise things General Wesley Clark is going to say.
07:17They're going to, they watch Pierce Morgan to see what the other panel of guests that he brings on with this establishment figure, how they're going to lay into him.And I thought, I thought it was great.Yeah.No, I mean, that was kind of what I thought as soon as it was over.was like, well, the fans are going to love that.But I really am not my biggest fan,you know, quite honestly.I know how that goes.
07:39People who hate me, I'm like,they have a good point.I know the feeling.Yeah.No, I mean, whatever.It's usually, I've rubbed people the wrong way at first,but then they go, oh, I get it.I like, it's always been like that,
07:57even since I was a little kid.I mean, the good thing is, like,you know,If you were to go back 15, 20 years ago,that whole Hitler line of attack,the Chamberlain Churchill Hitler thing,you know,like people would expect you to like,
08:13you need to answer this charge,you know,like this is a cogent pointthat I think you should address.Nobody feels that way now.As soon as somebody like Clark goes down that road,people just grab the popcornand they want somebody to go upside their head.
08:27So bad,everybody's so sick and tired of.And so I don't know,And I love the fact that you said it was just like a, I don't know, like a hoodie or something, whatever.But it looked like you were in like, you know, you had the glasses.You had what looked to me like a cardigan on my little phone anyway, like on there.A kind of a dressy.Okay, yeah.
08:45And so you look like a nice fellow who wouldn't, you know, who wouldn't be mean to anybody.And then you just lied into them.I loved it.All right.Well, thanks, man.I am extremely sick of that.And I think that it's just such a non-sequit or two.I don't know if you got to the end.
09:01Do you like my line about, you know,when I named all the Hitler's?I said, well, apparently Adolf is just another Hitler.Dude, it was, I can't, have you ever said that before in one of years?I'm stealing that every single time.I have the chance.And everybody should.That is such a good shutdown line.
09:17Because I could get a better end that I didn't,that I only kind of came up with later.If I can come up with it now on the spot,let me think.It was just, it's like the natural conclusion of the thing was just better statedthan I made it.I was thinking of it earlier today.I can't remember, man.
09:34I have to, I have to think about itwhen I'm not on the spot.I got to get out of this.I had a great little wayto tie it back up.That was sort of a mirror of the thing.I got to get out of this habit.This is why, like, you know,
09:45you can tell you've been doing radiofor a very long time.And most of my experience,doing any of this stuffis sitting in a room by myself,like recording something for,you know, broadcast later.I have this tendency.
09:57I do it when I'm on the phone, too,to like yell like I'm trying to communicate with you all the way in Texas or something and like you can't hear me because you're like I just shout into my microphone I really got to get better at that that's funny you see uh there was a Fox News poll today I just saw this like just before we came on where it was like the list of issues that voters are most concerned about and you know the Iran war was in the middle but it was ahead of like immigration like a bunch of other like major Fox News watchissues. And the top three were political corruption, inflation, and high gas prices. And it's like,who wants to tell them that all three of those are wrapped up in the Iran war? I just put allof that right at the top. So no Fox News isn't telling them that. Yeah. And yeah, you know,of course, Republicans rather lose their power than just throw the Israelis overboard.That's who got them into this mess. No.point mince and words about it or nothing like that. It's Zionism. That's the fatal flaw in
11:03conservatism, just as it's the fatal flaw in a lot of things. People are sick and tired of it,dude. I'm sick and tired of it. Here's one of the headlines from anti-war.com today, Gerald Cooper.Israel has killed over 1,500 Palestinians in Gaza since the ceasefire. That's what makes it a ceasefire.As Chos Freeman calls it, a ceasefire with Israeli characteristics.You get to keep killing. And surely the Palestinians.Palestinians have killed thousands of Israelis during that time, right?No.Yeah.
11:33Like there's an ongoing war.You know, they're shooting back and forth and no.There's no shooting back and forth whatsoever.It's just a canned hunt down there, man.Killing little kids all the time.The one from yesterday was they killed this woman in her home.She burned to death.Her little kid sat there and washed her burn to death before some rescuers were able to get to the kid.
11:52And the kid was also burned, but was able to get out of the fire, I guess.It was just maybe kind of, you know, her face was burned.but her mother was killed in the thing.Also, I saw a thing the other daythe snipers just shoot at the tentsbecause they're bored.But there's little kids in those tents,you know, families in those.
12:07Well, yeah, but they're teaching those little kidsto hate Jews and Israelis.I don't know if you've heard that before.The Jewish Israeli snipers are?Or the parents for no reason.Yeah, you said somethingthat goes to something I've been talking aboutwith a few of my friends over the last week or so.
12:28about Zionism being the fatal flaw in like the Republican Party or the American right,whatever you want to say.And it's like, I know a couple people, well, I don't know if you've seen this on socialit.It sounds like you've been pretty busy and so wisely staying away from it.But at the national conservatism, whatever conservative conference that Yoram Hazani puts on,they had one in Jerusalem, mostly Israeli audience, from what I understand.And one of the panels, I think it was like the last one on the last day.
12:57there were three Americans, all of whom I am friends with, Amanda Milius, Matt Peterson, andJonathan Kieperman, who goes by Lomers. I think he has his real name now that he got docs.But, you know, they went over there basically at two of them are Jewish, not, you know, likepracticing sort of, you know, whatever. They're like holiday Jewish or whatever, if that,but they're Jewish. And they, all three of those people are not crazy Zionists, but they're all,You know, they like Israel think radical Islam's big problem, all that kind of, you know, kind of stuff.Like the stuff that you get from people who are Republicans, but not just single issue insane.Basically, their position on the whole thing, and they talked about a lot more on the panel itself,
13:43but they're part of that group that, like Christopher Rufo is another one of these, somebody who does, like, great work.But they really see the Israel issue as, you know, you can have your opinions on it and stuff, but we shouldn't.way more important things going on in America. And this is dividing the right and it's, you know,splitting people up when we need to be focused on these other things. And, you know, we shouldn't letthis be so central. And like, I understand where they're coming from, especially these guys,because they're not primarily foreign policy focus. Like, that's not where their focus is. Their focus ison domestic stuff. And this is kind of a distraction for them, like the way they see things,as far as their priorities. But, you know, they're,
14:24a sense in which, like, when you have a political, I don't know, wing, political movement party,whatever you want to say, like, again, Republican Party or, let's say, establishment,the establishment right, I don't know.When there's an issue like that, that the people in charge and a large contingent of thepeople who go out and sort of promote their agenda, there's an issue that they will abandonabsolutely every other thing in their platform.They will lose elections.They will abandon everything for that issue.
15:03It's required to like focus on it.You have to.I mean, you know, when they're willing to do something like this Iran war that, I mean, goodness gracious, like, you know,I mean, look, like, whatever you think about Trump, whatever you think about, you know, his personality, his politics,any of that kind of stuff, man, like all he had to do to be like really kind of likehistoric figure in a sense where, you know, not not like he's, you know, adding a third moreterritory to the U.S. like Thomas Jefferson or Polk or something, you know.But given like the whole arc of his political career where he comes in, he's the most reviled,
15:49they break every rule, every, you know, they send the intelligence agency.he's after him, the generals, I mean, just every single institution aligned against him,all this stuff. They run him out of power under dubious circumstances in 2020.He gets the assassination attempt, like on camera, like all this kind of crazy stuff going on.You know, they've got the mug shot, trying to throw him in jail, all these things.And then he wins anyway. And he's back in 2025. All he had to do was just keep things on the track.all he had to do was just be a halfway decent,unremarkable president for four years.
16:27And people would look back and be like, damn,like that guy defeated the whole system.And he came in and actually he's popular at the end of itbecause the economy's doing all right.And, you know, there are no new wars or whatever.It drew all of that away for the Iran war.When everybody in this circle was telling him not to do it.And so it's just impossible for people.
16:48Like, you know, like the people,the friends I'm talking to about this,like the people on the panel. It's like, I understand where you guys are coming from. You know,they're worried that, like, the way they see it is like, it's great that you feel this way.I understand why it's so important to you. But if this divides the right, the Democrats take over,you know, Chuck Schumer is going to do the same thing for Israel that Trump would do and, or something like it.And now the borders are open and everything else, like all that stuff. And so we just need toput this off and, you know, try to, I guess, suppress the debate, you know, or at least the
17:24intensity of it. But you just can't do that when this issue, and especially with a foreignlobby, is capable of just taking over and overriding your entire project.Well, the thing is their argument is right. It's just their conclusion is wrong.Their conclusion should be that it's time for them to switch sides and lead the way in throwingthe Israelis out of the coalition. That's exactly right. Yeah, I mean, I'm,I'm going there next.That's what I'm going to tell them, actually.I don't know why I haven't just put it in those terms,
17:54but that's exactly right.Like, their reasoning is exactly why this relationship needs to end.Yeah.So I got some screwy news for you here, man.You'll be very interested to see about this here.I think I mentioned to you just a moment before we went on the air here.So Trita Parsy's got a blog on his substack there,the great Iranian-American Iran expert.
18:15Good guy.A great author.So he has a thing about this.We republish it on the blog at anti-war.com.That's anti-war.com slash blog.It's just a few down.If you page down, you can find it.And so treatise piece is called Israel's new and terrifying security doctrine.
18:32And then he links to it at the bottom.It's called the new national security concept, conceptualization, and questions for discussion.And it's by Tamir Haman in inss.org.dot i l i n s it's tel aviv university the institute for national security studies at tel aviv university okay and thenhe is a major general is his rank and eric was telling me he looked it up and this is an extremelyhigh rank in in israel it's you know comparable to i'm not sure how many stars but this is notsome guy it's extremely important who he is in the context of what he'sright in here. So here's the new concept, the most important highlights picked out for us by
19:22Trita Parcy. One, the U.S. is a declining power in given domestic and political shifts.They Israelis are going to have to move toward more self-reliance and get off of their excessivedependence on the U.S. because it exposes them to the vulnerability of American progressiveswho don't believe in that thing anymore. He says, severing, therefore, severing ties with theUnited States is therefore not only inevitable, but essential to Israel's independence and theresilience of its Jewish national identity. Well, fine, you got me so far. You know, declare independencefor God's sake, hurry. But then, two, the primacy of Jewish identity over democracy. The state'sJewish identity takes precedence over its democratic system of government. And then, you know, I guess he
20:09elaborates there. Three, peace as a means rather than an end.A meaningful peace agreement is unattainable in the Middle East,as peace agreements are merely technical and temporary arrangements,requiring constant reassessment.According to this view, peace is not an intrinsic value that generates security,but a means of achieving other policy objectives.Four, the rejection of the independent existence of Arab states,and this will sound very familiar to people who have read the Yanon plan of
20:46Oded Yanan from 1981, who was an advisor to, I believe, Manakum Began at the time,Aros Sharon and Manakum Began at the time.He says, the underlying premise is that most Arab states are not genuine nation states,but collections of tribes and ethnic groups lacking a shared history and a foundational nationalvision.Consequently, undermining their stability is viewed as a natural process,one that Israel can manage more effectively than it can control than it can contend with strongnation states and one it should even encourage.
21:21And then five, and I'm almost done here, five, war as a foundational state.War is essential to national security and cannot be replaced by a state of peace,which as noted is merely a means rather than an end.War is necessary and preventive war is preferable because it secures significant achievementat the outset.Six, absolute priorityfor initiative and offense over defense.Preemptive surprise strikes
21:47are viewed as the only wayto achieve victory,giving offense precedence over defense.And he keeps going from there,and again, you can read thatat anti-war.com slash blog.It's really going to be somethingto watch Israel transition away
22:01from the pacifist posturethat, you know, it's had since 1948.They're now embracing national socialism,it sounds like that.I mean, you know, we talked about at the outset of the Iran war that it really kind of seemed like one of the reasons we were worried about it really escalating is that the, you know, a lot of people in Israel saw it, saw the Trump administration really is like their last chance because they see the polling. They see the demographic breakdowns of Israeli support for Israel and the U.S. And they just kind of realize like this isn't happening again. I mean, short of, you know, actually having photos of.of a president with, you know, well, I won't get into it. But, and so, I mean, I, you know, I think thisis something that maybe has been, he's, he's sort of almost making, making explicit something that'sbeen in the air probably for a while. I mean, I saw, like, somebody said in the, because, you know,
22:56they're friend, they're very friendly, apparently with India, and they've talked about Indiapossibly replacing the U.S. as a patron, and somebody said they can't wait to start hearingabout Judeo-Hindu values.Man, that sounds great except for the consequences for life on the internet.You guys are killing.I am getting absolutely roasted in the comments.For wearing like this, I don't know, this like quarter zip like Nike sweatshirt.I'm getting annihilated by these guys, dude.
23:28Kaczynski-Shik, like, I need the peekie blinder hat to complete the senior citizen ensemble.Like, what the hell is going on here?I am completely innocent of all of these charters.radio.I dress like the bad guy in a criminal minds episode.It's completely unfair.Welcome to the Scott and Daryl show.We're talking about who's wearing what kind of shirt.
23:53All right.Well, yeah, no.I read a thing.I can't remember what it was,but it was a few years ago about like the potential,like, you know,kind of a potential scenario that there would be kind of a right-wing coupagainst the form of the Israeli state
24:07that the form of the democracy would be overthrownand it would be a new, just outright fascist statecalled Judea would replace Israel.And then it would really be on the next knockbook,the cleansing of the last of the Palestiniansout of the last of Palestine,which is millions of people, you know,something, almost 6 million people, something like that.
24:27So, I mean, you know, we're just,we're, I wouldn't even say steadily,like at an accelerated rate breaking down,and whatever was left of international institutionsand anybody at all in the world caring about them.And there's a chance they might startto get reconstructed at some point in the future,but during that window that we've kind of created
24:49by delegitimizing them so much,yeah, I mean, you could totally see that.Because, like, look, when he says, like, waras a foundational state, I mean, this is the thingthat I've always found it very interesting.ever since I ran across a lot of themwhen I was doing my Israel series back in the day.There were a lot of Jews,
25:08a lot of religious Jews,but also just, you know,not really religious,but anti-Zionist Jewswho weren't international communist types.Like they were,they were concerned aboutwhat Zionism was going to end up doing to Judaism.
25:26And when I say Judaism,I just mean sort of,I don't mean necessarily just the religion.I don't know what the right word would befor just, you know, the world Jewish community, right?Yeah, for this overall society.Yeah.You know, in great detail in Shelton Richmond's book coming to Palestine,
25:45where he talks about the religious Jews and the reformed Jews of Americaand the different kinds of Orthodox and whatever, Heretti and whatever.I don't know all the different distinctions, but they all agreed that this is a terrible idea,and we don't want to be implicated in this.It's going to demand dual loyalty of American Jews.is going to call our whole status as Americans into question,and it's going to force divides inside our community as we fight over,you know, how to support this other country over there and all of these things.
26:13And even on a religious basis, they said that, you know,who the hell made Ben Gurian the Messiah?He has no right to reestablish the Israeli state until God comes and makes it happen,you know, this kind of thing.And on and on like that.I mean, there was virtually all opposition in American.In organized American Jewish communities, it was virtually all opposition until after the Second World War.Yeah. And in Germany, it was until the 1930s. And even then, it was sort of reluctantly adopted as like a, you know, sort of a necessity kind of thing.
26:49And, yeah, it goes to all this, like, you know, for sure, the effect that it was going to have on the diaspora that was going. I mean, it's right there in the, it's right there in the Balford Declaration itself, like it mentions that it's not going to change the status of.of other Jews in the diaspora or anything.So they're very conscious of it at the beginning.But it's not even so much just that, like, look, you know, Armenians love Armenia.They, you know, if there's congressmen who is pushing Turkey to recognize the Armenian genocide or something,they're going to like that congressman, like, that stuff, that's fine.Like, that to me is like, that to me is like the very sort of, you know, placid, acceptable form of,like, homeland love that, you know, immigrant groups retain over the,
27:32course, several, that's all fine. I think the issue is that, I mean, he's talking about war becominga foundational state of the Israeli society. I mean, it's been a garrison state since it wasfounded. And this is something that they, you know, that a lot of these Jewish opponents,as Zionism said back then, is like, there is absolutely no way for you, like, you're not going to,you keep comparing yourself, as a lot of the, a lot of the Zionists did back in the day, theycompared themselves to the American settlers going out west. And, you know, there wereNative Americans there, but we're going to go civilize this place and we'll, the Arabs or theIndians, and we'll deal with that. But they were saying, like, look, you're not going to go out there
28:10and do to them what the Americans did to the Native Americans. Like, you're not going to be able topull that off in this day and age. And so you're going to create the situation where you say you'reestablishing a nation, a country. What you're establishing is a gigantic military operation, like apermanent military operation, basically. You know, a green zone that is really big and has a lot of peoplein it and is that forever.And, you know, and so having a diaspora population who has their, you know, again, affinity,like Irish Americans used to have like a lot more.I don't think it's as much of a thing now.
28:46But for Ireland, they cared what happened over there, you know, all those kind of things.German Americans didn't want America to get into the First World War.You know, Armenians, again, they want America to nuke, you know, Baku.fine, like, whatever.But when you have that, like, that same kind of ethnic affinity for a foreign statethat is in a permanent state of war with everybody around it.And not just with everybody around it.I mean, it is escalated to the point where, like, they're in a state of not outright,
29:21you know, kinetic war, but just, like, real hostility with huge numbers of countriesall over the world, including a lot of our allies.And, you know, when you couple that with the fact that, you know, they're singularly influential in terms of ethnic diaspora is in the U.S.And that, you know, like, it makes it so that it entangles us and corrupts our relationships with just countries all over the world, including ones that have nothing to do directly with the Middle East, you know.And it's, you know, look, they've put them, so they, the nature of the Israeli state, the way it was founded,their behavior ever since the intransigence and nature of the Arab, the Muslim countries around them that, that, you know, that they contend with. That's a factor too. I don't want to say it's just all, you know, the nature of the Israeli state. I mean, they did it in a place where, you know, it would be different if you tried to create Israel and, you know, central Germany or something today, you know, like there's a different kind of people there.But the nature of it, it brings the diaspora into this sort of war footing that that state is constantly in.And in the same way that Israel, I mean, the way they talk about like Spain, for example, right now,
30:46just because Spain doesn't like them blowing up kids in Gaza or whatever, you know,the Spanish government's not calling for Israel to be wiped off the map or anything like that.These are all, you know, things like the Spanish approach to Israel.under this government is just the,it's the approach any country would haveto any other country that was dealing withsomething like this if it wasn't this particular country.But they're like, they get into a war footing almost
31:14with regards to Spaniards,but then the diaspora ends up doing thatwith political factions in their home countriesthat don't support Israel or they don't like,you know, or that are hostile to Israel.And that is, I mean, it's very unfortunatebecause it's something that, I mean, just as you see with the, like, you know, you would think that somebody in the high up, in the, you know, among the higher ups in Israeli security establishment, like the one you were just quoting, they'd be saying, man, we have never, from the first time, the first Zionist set foot in this place, been here without a strong Western patron. First it was Britain, then it was the United States. And now the United States,whether it's because they're a declining power or political support over there is diminishing in an irreversible way.
32:06We're going to have to learn to live on our own.And the fact that they're not saying, therefore, we should probably figure out how to get along people around us.They're like, no, we need to escalate, we need to go harder, we need to just be Sparta, basically.It just shows you that like it's baked in to the political and security culture over there.and I don't really see how they walk it back.It just seems like it's just inexorably going to come to a head.Well, if we really caught them offand they got to take responsibility for all their own actions
32:40and have to deal with the world without our diplomatic coverand all of our weapons and all of the moral hazardsthat we bake into the thing, then I guess we'll see.You know what I mean?Yeah, maybe they'll just nuke every Arab capital,but maybe they'll figure out that actually we're not really in dangerfrom anyone in Lebanon.We're getting along just fine with al-Qaeda in Syria,
33:01and we've had a deal with Jordan since 94,and Egypt since 79,and so what's the fucking problem anyway?You know, all the Western Iraq is empty desert cushionfrom actual power in Iraqi-Sheas,stand in the east.So, like, you know what I mean?They're doing fine.
33:18It's not quite having Canada in Mexico for neighbors,but honestly, they're not in much more danger than that, you know?Yeah, it's just,It's one of those things, though, that like, you know, like in the U.S., you take a topic, like, you know, getting Medicare and Social Security spending under control and whatnot.It's like, yeah, you can have a million debate societies where everybody agrees 100% of the audience of all of them agree that we got to get this under control.But the political culture is just like, you look at it.You're like, that's just impossible.That's just not going to happen.
33:53And over there, man, it seems like it's kind of the same thing with regard to.to security issues.Like, they just,they just believe in a,in a very fundamental waythat goes beyond their relationswith the countries around them.Like the,
34:06the immediate political,geopolitical circumstancesthat they're dealing with.The fact that they're not,you know,that we can get along with,you know, Lebanon fine.We've been getting along with Egypt.
34:15If there's something like very deeplyembedded in their psyche that,no,it might be fine now,but it's inevitable.It's happened a million timesin the past.It's going to happen again.
34:26again, you know, eventually when they feel like they have the opportunity, and that is the onlything holding them back is opportunity, the fact that they don't think they can pull it offright now. But as soon as they think they can, they'll do what humanity has done to us throughoutthe ages. It's like, you know, I always think about that. You remember back when Dave did, he did the,I think it was a zero hedge debate. I think Chang, Chang Wigger was one of the panels. But DennisPrager was one of them. And Batia,whatever names is. Oh, Matia, Saga.Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
35:01Prager was just a completelyinsane person on this panel. Like,every other, every other time he spokejust mind-blown.He started crying. Yeah, andyou know, he's one of thosepeople who arelike the conservatives. There's a certain type
35:18of Jewish conservative in Americathat, I don't have a wordfor him or anything, but like, whereif, if, if,It just happened that you lived next door to that person for 20 years.And Israel just never came up.It was just a quiet period over there, you know, between wars, between conflicts,between like whatever, all that.
35:37It just wasn't a topic of conversation.You'd probably be like, gee, that guy's a great neighbor.I sure am glad he lives next door to me.What a nice fellow, you know, but loses their freaking minds on any subject that istangential to like Israel or Jews in general.And you could see it in that.the things he said. Like Dave said in a completely sarcastic way in response to something thatDennis was saying, he's like, so, so what? Like, you know, just people just randomly decide they
36:09want to kill all the Jews and that's just always how it's been and how it's going to be.Dave says something like that in a total like kind of rhetorical way. Like obviously that's ridiculous.And Prager says, yes, every generation throughout history, someone rises up to try to annihilate us.That is just how it is.And it's like, dude, like if that's how a guy who lives in America,a wealthy American guy who, you know, nobody gives him any trouble in his real life or anythinglike that.But he still feels that way in like such a deep way that he starts crying on camera.
36:44I mean, man, that is real hard to like, you need a really, really sharp scalpel to dig that tumor out.I don't know.Did you ever see that movie defamation, the documentary by the Israeli,the kind of liberal Israeli?No.It's hilarious.So I'll ruin it for you, okay?It's a liberal Israeli Jew who goes out in search of anti-Semitism, and he can't find any.
37:06And the worst anti-Semi in the whole movie is his grandma, who starts ranting about the Jews.She's an OG Zionist from the 1930s from before the war.And she starts ranting about the Jews in a way where he's like, geez, grandma.And she ends being like the most, you know, anti-Semitic person in the whole movie.He lives in West Jerusalem.Anyway, and then he just goes around the worldand looking for anti-Semitism in Europeand in America and whatever,
37:31and he can't find any because there ain't any.But one of the things that he doesis the intro to the movies.He really explains the level of propagandainside the state of Israel against the publicgets the public there.And you get the feeling like,the best way to characterize it, I think,
37:46would be America in 2002.Just completely bad shit.Like the intimidation factoragainst, you know, differing opinionsand the level of fear-mongeringfrom the top down all the time.Every aunt, you know, ought to be anxiousto the nth degree at all times
38:04just to make sure he's everyone, you know,always on edge.He says it's, you know, every day it's the show of this,that's the Holocaust, the show of this, the show of that,the show of furniture sale,the show a remembrance ceremony,the show of this and the show of a thing,every single day in that, literally,
38:20like if you were raised in Israeli Jew,from the propaganda from the government and the media there,you might really believe that every non-Jew in the entire worldsimply wakes up in the morning for only one reasonthat they may possibly take enough breath to get a chanceto kill a Jew or maybe all of them.And that's the only reason other humans actually even exist in the world.And that's the only motive that they have for doing anything that they do.
38:48The only reason they go to work in the morning,the only reason they have children is so that some,someday they can kill us all. That's like their role in the movie. And it's, you know, the Holocaustcould happen any day. And it could be like the Burmese could surprise us and do it. It could beanyone at any time. And just like this level of, well, and if you remember America in 2002,this level of absolute stupidity, right? This emotional crippling where you're supposed to be soterrified that you turn your brain off. He let George W. Bush convince you that Saddam Hussein is in bedwith the Ayatollah Khomeini and Kim Jong-un and Osama bin Laden. I mean, you know, we've talked about
39:34this a little bit before and I, like, on one hand, I should say, I don't expect, I don't expect a peoplewho suffered the way Jews suffered in, you know, the 30s and 40s to just be over it in two generations.be a lingering effect. And it's that, no matter who you're talking about, like something like thatgoes on. I mean, look, Armenians, the genocide over there is still a big deal to every Armenian.It's not like the central element of their, of their identity the way it is with Jews. And it doesn'thave a sort of a global application the way it does with a lot of Jews where like, you know,they see it as sort of just the latest attempt by mankind, you know, not by just, they see it assomething the Turks, you know, did to us or the Ottoman Empire did to us, or at most maybe
40:23the Muslims did to us, like when we were over there, but it's localized, you know, it's not asort of universalized thing that's like so central to their self-understanding. But still, like,the, is it tremendously traumatic, you know, thing, like, saying that happened. And I don'texpect people to just, just be over it as a people. But then on top of that also, you know,you have, every government has to, because government...To chip in on that last point, Ben Shapiro last week said that Bernie Sanders,because he isn't a Zionist, but he's not Zionist enough, I guess.He said, well, he's a Jew, but he's not Jewish.
41:00Yeah, yeah.Zionism apparently is the center of the religion.Anyway, go ahead.Yeah, no, I mean, this is something that Zionist used to do.Like, there were, in my most recent episode in the World War II series,Victor Klemperer, you know, he, it was very common.back in the 17, 1800s, early 1900s for Jews who were not religious at all.You know, they were just, they happened to have Jewish parents just not connected to the,
41:27to the religious side at all.They would convert to Lutheranism or whatever, and they weren't really Christians either,but they weren't Jews either.They were just like, yeah, okay, cool.Can I just be German now or whatever?Like, that was kind of a very common thing.But when Zionism started to pick up, man, the Zionists would lay into those people,like traitors, you know, traders, traders, traders, and they would go out of them really hard.
41:49And so, yeah, that's, I mean, you know, that's sort of weird identity crisis has been something that has been a thing ever since really the French Revolution when you had like the first sort of Jewish emancipation in Europe.And people had to kind of figure out for the first time ever like, okay, I'm Jewish, but also French, I guess.And what does that exactly mean? And so what does it even mean to be Jewish if I'm not religious?and like, you know, it's like,this has been like a big sort oftheme in like Jewish literatureand just Jewish intellectual activity for a long time.It's led to a lot of really, honestly, like, amazing output
42:27because now, you know, especially nowadays,I mean, that's sort of the modern condition, really, you know,like for a lot of us now is like, okay,this whole identity thing is like, what is that exact?I mean, especially in America,where, you know, the ethnic side of it has always been kind of muddled.But then I was going to say on top of,On top of that, you know, just the the recency of everything happened in the Second World War,
42:50not expecting of people to be just over it.You also have this country that, you know, like all, or government, rather, that like all governments,because I don't know if you know this or Scott Horton fans know this,but governments generally suck and they're not always super popular with their people.I'm anti-government, actually.Yeah, okay, there you go.I didn't know that about you, actually.So I didn't want to offend you.
43:13I was treading lightly.I understand.But, you know, so governments have to justify to you why they should be your government.Like, every day they have to do that, you know?They have to answer a very difficult question is why shouldn't we just stop paying you money and kill all of you for trying to tell us all what we can do with our lives, right?And governments have to convince the people every day why we should not do that.Well, in Israel, you know, the answer is very simple.We are the only thing standing between you and complete annihilation.
43:47And there's this, the recency of World War II, you know, that makes that an easier sell.And then also just the internalized, you know, even with secular Jews, like the internalized sort of religious history that they have of themselves, like starting from, you know, Egypt, all the way on up of just being under attack, under siege.And man, like, it is the go-to and has always been the go-to, you know, first resort answer of the Israeli government for why the people should support it.And I mean, it's just, it's a toxic stew.Yeah.All right.Now look, man, time's clicking away and we got a little bit of business to take care of.And the thumbnail promised that we were going to talk about the Houthis and the war against the Saudis.
44:34So first of all, let me tell you that on the 20th, which I think is Tuesday, right?Yeah, Tuesday, the 20th.I'm doing an event here in Austinwith Joe Kent and Kelly Vlahosand Dan McKnight and Adam Weinstein.And it is called the Not Our War Tour.Oh, I can't share this, Kenan.Is that work?
44:50Oh, yeah, there you go.The Not Our War Tour.Starring Joe Kent,and then with the rest of us,has this backup band there,saying anti-war stuff in public here in Austin.And then, look, before we switched to Saudi,I wanted to show you this.
45:03Like the national, what you call it,conference last week.I wanted to talk about this when we were doing our Q&A thing, but I didn't get to it.What is this?But it is important.I think it's, you know, part of that, part of the question of that whole national conservatism conference.Like, why is the American National Conservatism Conference happening in Jerusalem?And like, can't you people see what's going on here?
45:31The Israelis saw that the American right was moving to the right from W. Bush.No, we're stricter on immigration, actually.now and we're, you know, whatever.Got some anti-war spirit andwhatever. And he saysand more racialism.And he says, and theysay, oh great, yeah, no, we're
45:49national socialists, too. That's our whole thingis racial nationalism andyou're just like us and we're just like you andyou should come to our conference and, you know,George Bush was always way moreliberal than we are. We don't believe in thatstuff and we're, you know, you should,you know what, you guys are Zionists.
46:06You guys should be Zionists.Zionist. You want to be Zionist with us? And then, I mean, the fact that the national,there's this thing called the Edmund Burke Foundation that's sponsored by a guy namedYakuzakazomi from the West Bank settlements. And he's the guy who founded the EdmundBurke Foundation for conservatism, nationalism and conservatism in America. Come on, guys.They're jerking your chain. In the same way that you would, if you had billions and billions andbillions and billions of dollars to try to shape the way people think about things, you go, well,I'm getting out ahead of this national conservatism thing.
46:39We're anti-war.That reminds me of like back.Gordon pays us with this big-Back during the Spanish Civil War,when a bunch of Jews from Brooklyn went over to fight for the Republican-slash-comisidein the Spanish Civil War,and they called themselves the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.People like Lincoln, right?
46:55I mean, not on this show, but...Yeah, not on this show.Hey, look, so here's Gaza.So they update a Google Earth.Everybody just go look at this for a minute, man.You know, I don't know.Everybody's got Google Earth.You don't have to have the app on your thing.
47:09You just go to the website.And you can see here that it's just completely devastated.And as you go down the strip, you'll see some areas where you go,oh, I don't know.Do they, like, annihilate everything here?And then if you look very closely, you can see some areaswhere everything seems to be okay.But then, well, this actually seems to be a pretty good one.
47:30Every other place I've done this, I've seen explosion,you know, demolitions here, there,and the other place, not, you know, all mixed within.But then there are some places that have been just completely decimated.I guess that's a refugee camp there.See the tent village there?But you can see, like, here's Conunis.It's just, this is way worse than Dresden, right?
47:54This is just completely destroyed.And in a lot of the places, I was kind of trolling around.You see, like, out here, you know, on the outskirts here, too, just, you know,it's totally destroyed.Look at this.and there were some places where, you know, over here,where I was like, oh, this looks less worse,and then you zoom in a little bit and like,
48:12no, actually, there's still people got killed all over the place here.You know what I mean?You know, a place where it's not total devastation is actually,huh, God, I at least right back to the thing.Look this.Somebody said, yeah, but if you zoom in really, really close,you can see all the leaflets that were dropped to warn them.Oh, yeah, there you go.
48:29See, that's that little, right here.Look out.Get out of the way.We're about to drop a bomb on you, says it.So look, the thing is, for the people who say it's not a genocide and they cite the statistics,well, we don't know, they didn't do a census, we don't know exactly how many people have died.The direct deaths counted individually by Hamas there, by the Gaza Health Ministry there, is 70-something,000,okay, with another 10,000 presumed dead lost in the rubble, okay?
49:00Let's just go with that for direct deaths in the fighting, right?bombed and or just building collapsed on them, whatever, killed.But then you have the excess death rate.And that's how, like, for example, you count in Iraq and you go, well, 500,000 people wereblowed up to death.About a million people died of overall deprivation because of the economic destruction,the checkpoints on the roads, keeping them from the hospital, the lack of medicine,the lack of food, the lack of everything.
49:28So we don't know what the excess death rate is and how many Palestinians have not necessarilybeen directly killed in the thing but have died of the thing and because of the thing.And it's surely a great many.And we don't know that.But then they go, oh, what was the first genocide I've ever seen where, according to myfunny little chart here, the population keeps going up?Well, that's probably completely ridiculous.But even if that was true, see, this is the point too.
49:56Just imagine for the sake of argument here, for the sake of argument, because it's not exactlythe case.But for the sake of argument, say that they evacuate.all these places before they completely destroyed them.Actually, only a few hundred people here died.The other thousands and thousands were force marched over herebefore they carpet bombed this thing or dynamited at all.Okay?
50:17Well, that's still genocide too.Because the point is, they're making it so that these people have no home to go back to.They're making it so that they destroy all the businesses,all the mosques, all the hospitals, all the schools,all the marketplaces and all the, any business, anything that,that was happening there, that was making life move there,is they attempted to destroy what certainly as much of as they possibly could,and so that the people have to leave,
50:45so that they will, as the Israelis put it, voluntarily emigrate.Well, what's that?If this was the Serbs doing it to the Bosnian Muslims,it would be genocide and Bill Clinton would declare war on them, right?You know, for far less than this.Well, no, actually, well, yeah, it was about 60,000 killed on all sides in the Bosnia War.I think we talked about on the show before, the Ratchak Massacre, which was the excuse for Bill Clinton to invade in Kosovo, which Wesley Clark absurdly tried to defend on Pierce Morgan yesterday.That was 35 guys in a ditch, and their bodies were moved there. They were fighters who had died fighting and then were in a, you know, their bodies dumped in a ditch by their own side and they go, oh, boo-hoo massacre.
51:27Let's even take worst-case scenario there. It was 35 guys. And Bill Clinton goes, oh, me and Wesley Clark, we got to.to tear up all the international law.All this crap about sovereign borders is over because we got to launch this war.We've got to intervene in a civil war here.Wesley Clark absurdly tried to say it was a Rwanda-style genocide going on when the total,I tried to interject.The total was 4,000 people killed and they were all fighters.And all that's proven in the book.
51:51The whole thing was a hoax.They said 100,000 people were missing, presumed murdered.Oh, that mine shaft is full of bodies.Just don't check because there's not a single one in there.And this building over here, this is a crematorium where they'dburned thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of bodies,tens of thousands.And then you go out, don't expect to find any bones or any teeth or any evidence of any
52:12human remains of any kind there because it never happened at all.Careful now, Scott.I'm talking about, in Albania, in Kosovo in 1999.The only thing about the Holocaust that I've ever actually really studied was in Ukraineand everything I can tell was that it was high hundreds of thousands of people.We're killed by the Ukrainian Nazis and their German masters during that.I don't know if it got to a million, but it was high hundreds of thousands.And I read a bunch of books about it.
52:43And I didn't see any dispute about it.And that was, you know, I guess some of them were sent off to death camps in other places,but most of them were just shot on site kind of thing.Yeah, I'll cover this in depth when I get up to that point in the series.I won't derail us too much on this.But, like, one of the main arguments that's quite compelling and has a lot to back it up is that, you know, after the war was over and on both sides of the line, but especially on the Soviet side, because that's where most of the mass killing took place.Like, they were very, very concerned with, you know, we need to put these countries back together and sort of reconstruct these societies into being functional and not at civil war with each other and all that kind of stuff.And so there was that there, there was that, that a huge portion of the killing.
53:32I mean, I've seen, and obviously this is speculation, but like that a huge portion of the killing of Jews and other groups that happened was actually like a semi-spontaneous, like, continent scale pogrom that erupted, you know, because a lot of the people, when you go to places like Ukraine that have been living under communism at that point for 30 years,you know, they agreed with Hitler and Winston Churchill that, you know, the Soviet Union was a Jewishempire and that that's who they held responsible. And once the Germans moved in, I mean, it was likebefore the Germans even had time to organize, you know, local death squads to go out and hunt Jews,like the people just went after them real hard. And I've seen figures against speculation,and always to a degree with this,but up to 75% of the killingwas done by locals,
54:29you know,in a way that was not sort of directly organized,supervised by the Germans.That number seems very high to me.I kind of doubt it's that high,but it's high.I mean, we know that a lot of,there were a lot of pogroms,
54:43like basically,I mean, look, you go up to like the Baltic states,and the Baltic states were basically,like the local populations up therebasically wiped out all of their Jewsbefore the Germans, like, camp system and everything even really got going.Yeah.And...
54:58A holocaust of bullets before the camps.Yeah.When you see the, when you see, like, the stuff that we do know about what happened in Ukraine,like, what, going back into previous centuries even, like, you know, they're, youif you want to go back to, like, the 1600s, I mean, hundreds of thousands of Jews killedin pogroms and massacres, you know, by the Ukrainians then.How, one major example in Ukraine was when, you know,the Germans were coming, the NKVD massacred all the people in their prison cells in Leviv.
55:30I believe it was in Leviv.And it was a bunch of nationalist fighters had been locked up there.And they massured everybody in their cells.And then withdrew.Yeah.And then there was a Jewish neighborhood right next to the prison.And then so the locals just took it all out on them and killed them and threw them.They made them dig up the mass grave and then threw them in it.
55:51There was a lot of that, yeah.And the NKBD had fled and left them to take the brunt of the responsibility for what they had done.Yeah, but then after the war, you know, the Soviets for just kind of obvious reasons, like, they had every incentive to kind of be like, no, no, nobody killed anybody here.None of the people who are here, all of you guys are fine.We're all heroes.Everybody here's a hero.and this entity that no longer exists,that just got defeated in the war and everybody hates.
56:23Like, they did all of it.And, you know, it's always going to be impossible to quantify that stuff.But, you know, the stuff that I have seen,including like a lot of eyewitness accounts,which, you know, you can only put so much on, I guess,for things like this.But when you place it in the context of like the history of Eastern Europebefore and after,
56:46it's not hard to believe that like a huge amount of it was just done by locals like that.But anyway, that's another topic for another time.Yeah, well, I don't know about the proportions,but you could have a huge amount done by locals and then the Germans arrive, you know,and then get to their work.I mean, you talked before about Dina Pranacheva.Is that how you say?Renegiva, I think, but yeah, I don't know.
57:10Who survived Babi Yar.I know you did a podcast about that.And I read about her and quite a few different thingsthat she told the same consistent storythroughout her life with the slightest of deviationsfor the rest of her life,you know, about what had happened there.Yeah, and people bring stuff like that up
57:25and they'll say it's communist propaganda.And it's like, well, okay, but like propaganda doesn't,propaganda can be true things.I mean, you're a communist anyway.The thing she came.Right, well, but it was put to use though.I don't know what her alignment was.But like, you know, like,
57:41just because something is used in propagandadoesn't mean it's not true.I mean, there's certainly stuff like, look,they tried to put the Katyn Forest massacre on the Germans,and the Germans had brought the Swedesand some other neutral observers inwhen they found them to prove it wasn't them,so they got off the hook on that one.
58:01But, you know, it, so that definitely existswhere, you know, they did it,and they're trying to say they didn't.But a lot of times...It's a proven fact that Churchill and FDR both knewthat the Reds had done it.Yeah.And, yeah.
58:15And, yeah. So, anyway.With a new custom, Daryl, where we make the thumbnail after the show.Because the thumbnail is Saudi versus Houthi, round two.We haven't begun to talk about the slightest bit of that.But we should because it's crucial, right?I mean, the war has spread, you know, all over the frigging place.It's a wreck and nobody knows how to fix it.And the crown prince of Saudi Arabia is this arrogant to it who has no idea what he's doing.
58:46He already started an aggressive war against Houthi led Yemen at that time still in alliance with Abdullah Salah back in 2015 with Barack Obama helping him, of course.And they waged that war with later Donald Trump's help all through even the first year of Joe Biden until they finally quit 22 because they got nowhere.For seven years of bomb in this country, they have.accomplished absolutely nothing. And so they go, okay, well, and then the Houthis got better andabout reaching out and blowing up their drone, blowing up their refineries and pipelines with theirdrones and missiles whenever they felt like. So MBS called it quits. And then what happened this timearound was Iran invited the Uthis to the Ayatollah's funeral. And they went, but on the way home,the Saudis tried to enforce their blockade by bombing the Sana' airport. So this went and landed at a different
59:40airport anyway, but that just kicked off the war. And then I guess I don't really know that this is true,but I hadn't seen it refuted, and it was claimed multiple times by multiple people that it was actuallythe Iraqi Shiite militias jumped in on the Houthis side, and they were the ones who hit the East-Westpipeline, apparently. I never saw any suspected motive for why anyone would lie and blame them insteadof the Houthis for that if the Houthis had done it. I think it was like, oh, geez, kind of reluctantlyadmitting that, like, where did the Shiite militias?come from. Let's not talk about that. Shut up. Let's just, you know, but it was them,apparently, you know, George Bush and Barack Obama's guys, David Petraeus's guys, diatollus guys,
01:00:20who hit... When they did strike on the East-West pipeline, didn't they hit the pumping stationthat's needed to like pump it up over the mountains and stuff too? I mean, dude, that's sophisticatedtargeting, honestly, for an Iraqi militia. Yeah, well, it's those first person drones, man.It's a whole new day. And so the Houthis have been raining hell down on, on,Saudi Arabia. They hit their airport, killed a bunch of civilians there. But they've also been able tohit all kinds of targets across Saudi. And then the Saudis are hitting back and have killed a bunch ofcivilians. This is the headline I had here somewhere from anti-war.com. Oh, and we got to get to this, too.But first of all, Saudi airstrike hits Girl School and Health Center in Yemen, killing five civilians.
01:01:03Ansar Allah, that's the Houthis, the Yemeni regime. They warn of more attacks on Saudi oil facilitiesare coming after strike hits Aramco headquarters.Yeah.Aramco headquarters.Got to repeat that punchline for the audience, man.Love that.Golobov says U.S. must be punished to accept Iran's demands.You know, a friend sent me a note by a friend of his going,
01:01:29oh, my God, Trump's done it.He's so brilliant.He's completely blockaded Iranian oil,and he's completely restored the flow of oil through the Gulf.And surely the Iranians are going to capitulate and give upnuclear program any day, and I used to not be poor, but God dang, that Trump is smart.And he says, you got any response to this? And I was like, well, I mean, I don't know.Just look at the news. And your reins are blowing up ships every day over there.
01:01:52And it's been getting much worse. Now Trump is threatening to use the mother of all bombs,they call it, the Moab massive, was it, ordinance, air bomb or something, whatever.Yeah. Air blast.Well, that's, okay. Well, that's like, that's the bomb that we used in our, massive, was it.Afghanistan right before we defeated the Taliban and won that war, right?Yes, exactly right. They killed like 20 guys, and that changed the entire course of things over there.And yeah, oh, and then plane damage at the Riyadh airport, I had that. So, and look, now the Houthis have said,hey, we're open to talks at all times. We're open to ceasefires and we're open to being reasonable all
01:02:29times, but you're not going to bomb us because we'll bomb you back. How do you like that? And they're,they're fighting. So, and that's, you know, the gate of the Red Sea, the Baba Almondthere is the gate of the Red Sea.The American Empire is completely lost control of the Middle East at this point.Trump's talking about, you know, potentially joining in the war against the Houthis,but that isn't going to work unless you send in the whole damn Marine Corps, which they don't want to go.They'd be crazy to want to try to go and sack the capital of Yemen.I mean, it's just be absolutely crazy to do it.
01:03:01But nothing short of that is going to get the regime change.Now, I learned this from a Marine back in the 1990s.like, do these Democrats can talk all they want about, you know,shooting cruise missiles and things and this and that.But unless you have a guy, Army and Marines,standing on a street corner with a rifle in total control,then you haven't done anything.You haven't really accomplished.
01:03:23No, man.I mean, like, there's since so much literature and so much just battlefield experienceproving that out since the Second World War.And we just, every time, I mean, somehow, like, yeah,but we got the real world.weapon now. Now it's different every time. And now look at this. So this is the one you send me.Visual Investigation. Well, let's see if I can share this tab on the different thing with the differentthing. Sorry, folks. You know how I'm not a baby boomer. I'm a generation exor. Dadgummit,
01:03:54and that's pretty old. Iran's precision strikes picked apart Gulf infrastructure,blunting U.S. war plans. You want to take us through this a little bit? Yeah. So this is aIt's a really excellent article.And as you can see, there's a lot of visual aids and stuff that really kind of bring home the points they're making in here.The quip version, you remember how every single time any Iranian missile was launched anywhere in the Middle East over the last several months.They hit absolutely nothing.And it was, if there was anything that was hit, it was hit by debris after we shot the missile down.Yeah, no.
01:04:32I mean, just read this article.if anybody believes that even 10%.I mean, they go through and show that, you know,it's not like the level of sophisticationgoes beyond just sort of having good, you know,targeting intelligence and satellite guidanceor whatever it is, you know,the various things that you can think of
01:04:51in terms of technical capability.It goes way beyond that.Like there are, and they go through thisand just example after example after example.They've hit in 135 strikes,on that they looked at hereover the course of like 80 something sites,the precision that they are striking with
01:05:12and not just your missile hit a thingthat is only a few meters wide or whatever,not just precision in terms of the ballistics of it,but the understanding of knowingthat amidst this group of like 10 buildingsthat are clustered together,they hit specifically like the onethat contains the cooling equipment
01:05:32to turn natural gas into liquefied natural gas,and they hit the power supply generatorsthat are going to be needed by any construction effortto go back in and rebuild those.And that very, very sophisticated,like technical understanding of what it is they're targetingand why.Another thing I was showing,
01:05:52I was going through this articlewith the buddy of mine at the Pentagon,and he was talking about one of the thingsthat struck him,and I didn't catch this the first timethat they do say in there, though.Another thing that they would say is like,well, they launched X number of drones and only a few got through.
01:06:08He said the consistency with which that was happening and specifically like the way it washappening in terms of like how they staggered the waves of drones that were coming in.The consensus on that now is basically that what they understood,they understood or had learned on the fly enough about our defense doctrine or the defensedoctrine of, you know, the countries they were striking, that they had a pretty good ideaof exactly how many drones they had to send to overwhelm our defenses temporarily and thenget a few through to hit exactly what they wanted to hit. Like the helicopters are in the air,shooting them down, but they know how many missiles those things carry. They know how many
01:06:53engagements the Patriot missile systems can handle at any given time. And they sent exactly asmany drones as they needed to overwhelm all that stuff and get a few through to hit exactlywhat they wanted to hit. And really sophisticated stuff. I mean, it's, it, it really goes todemonstrate that, you know, well, granted, they're not going to be landed in a revolutionaryguard corps brigade in Miami anytime soon, but that you're fighting a real military here that can dothings that only a few militaries on the planet really are able to do. And also just the technicalunderstanding of their targeting, you know, where these are not indiscriminate strikes that arejust sort of like, that's where their oil stuff is, right? Yeah, hit all that stuff. No, no,
01:07:40no, no. This is like very specific things. They're doing things where they're hitting things thatthey know. And, you know, we don't have communications, internal government communicationsin Iran like saying this, but the consistency with which it's happened, the consensus is sort of thatthey're targeting things specifically that they know the supply chain. The lead times to repair thosethings are going to be very long and not having them creates cascading failures like down the linethat causes more damage to things they're not explicitly hitting. And also things thateven if you do repair them, like these aren't things that just get back up and running.like right away.
01:08:22And, you know, just, and that once they hit a few critical things that cause these cascadingfailures that, you know, that take down like a whole section of the oil supply system,they don't keep hitting other random stuff in that area.That is down now.And they know it's going to be down for the next six weeks at least.And now they focus on other things.And if that thing gets rebuilt, they hit it again.But they know that they've disabled that.
01:08:48And they're not just bombing the rest of it just to just to, just to have.have cool satellite photos, just really sophisticated stuff.Well, let me ask you, man.And a very efficient use of like the limited capabilities that they're able to put out therewithout, without, you know, doing it in a way that those capabilities can be easily destroyed,like really amazing, honestly.Well, now when you hear all this hype about Trump's going to re-escalate the war right beforeor after the midterms here.
01:09:14Are you buying that?Or he already gave up on April the 8th because he knows he can't win.But we've already been through this.I mean, look, unless, like, one of the things that has just kind of always been obviously wrong,you know, is the propaganda about us establishing air superiority, let alone supremacy over that country.I mean, you see just with our, if that was the case, we would have had B-52s flying over Iran nonstop for the last several months.And the war probably would have been over a while ago if that was the case, or, you know, at least would have gotten to a place where we could get them to.to accept a deal that would let us off the hook of this thing.
01:09:56But we're not doing that.We're not flying B-52s over there.They'd get shot down immediately like that F-15 did.The only time we're doing heavy bombing is occasionally,you know, we'll send some B-2s or B-1s over the country.You know, those things seem to be, you know,the stealth seems to be holding up, like, from what I can tell.But other than that, like, if you can't do heavy bombing raids,
01:10:19if you can't fly fleets of B-52s over that country unimpeded,how are you going to escalate the war?What are you going to escalate it with?Like you're going to tell me that you spent months and months and monthsbuilding up munitions, you know, in the region,without those munitions being struck because Iran still maybe thought they could avoid the war.You spent months building it up and getting ready.And then you had that initial 40 days or whatever of just heavy, heavy, heavy strikes every day,
01:10:48you know, hitting a target package that we had been putting together for months,still managed to blow up a girls' school in a volleyball game,but, you know, we've been putting it together for months.And now you're telling me that on the fly,we're going to put together strike packages that can hit targetsthat are even remotely as vital as the ones we had set up beforewhen they're ready for it and we can't build up our forces the way that we did beforeand our bases are out of commission.
01:11:14It's just ridiculous.I mean, it's just, it's not, it's just,It's bullshit.It's just, there's nothing to it.He can want to do that all he wants.But again, short of flying B2s over their big citiesand dropping a bunch of moabs on them every night for a few weeks.I mean, how is he going to escalate?
01:11:35We just don't have the tools to do it.It really is exactly as I warned for 20-something years.And I'd been told that I was wrong about this, even by friendlies.But I was right, apparently, that in order to do this right,never even mind actuallysending in the infantry and sackingthe capital city, but even in gainingair superiority over the country so that you
01:11:55can bomb what you need to at will,you're going to have to send in tens of thousandsof special operations forces with laserdesignators to take out all that anti-aircraftbecause you just can't get closeenough to it and to get good enoughintelligence on it to destroy it allwithout that. And then people told me,
01:12:11nope, that's wrong. All we need now issatellite guidance and whatever, but nope,I was right, dude. Obviously, Iwas. Otherwise, they would have done it. And they're not willing to sacrifice all of Socomon the mountains of Iran in order to try to lay some anti-aircraft missiles. So the Pentagon has toldTrump, look, we'll do this, but not in a way that's going to be effective because too manyof our guys will die in it. We don't want to. But we'll do it on the half-ass if you want. And sothis. Yeah. And one of the ways I think they thought they were going to get away with it was, you know,
01:12:46and this goes to just underestimating Iranian air defense capabilities,which again are not, you know, top of the line.They're not going to shoot down that B1 that's flying over at nighttime,but they're capable enough to shoot down an F-15,which means they're definitely capable enough to shoot down drones.And I think what they thought,because we've become so dependent, like, doctrinally,but also just our military industrial side,
01:13:12like we've become so dependent over the course of the war on terror on drone warfarethat we just thought,Well, yeah, you know, we can't necessarily be flying F-18 missions over Iran all the time,but we'll just have drones loitering.And if they pop out and show themselves, we'll be on them like that.Well, they've blown the hell out of our Reaper fleet, dude.Like, I mean, it's been like, I think last count confirmed they were up to almostfour dozen or something.
01:13:38And it's not like we have infinity Reaper drones just laying around those things are expensive.They take a long time to build.And we can't afford to just lose our fleet on a while.war that doesn't need to be happening other than the fact that it would be embarrassing if we ranaway now. I mean, and so at a certain point, like, we just, like, what are you going to do?Like, we've demonstrated a complete incapability to damage their, their production capabilitiesand their missile launching capabilities in these mountain cities that they've apparently got.I mean, we haven't been able to do that. Nothing that we've got. You could, you could nuke some of those,
01:14:16mountains. I've seen people say this, just tactical nukes on the mountains. Like, okay, and what?What do you think that's going to do? Like, that's not going to blow the mountain up. Like,that's not, it's not how they work. You know what I mean? And, like, it's just, it's all ridiculousnonsense. And I don't know what, yeah, I don't know what. The thing about Trump is you don'treally ever, like, there's a lot of times where you, you're really just wasting your time trying tofigure out, like, what he means. Because he doesn't mean anything. He's just, I'm sure going toget in there and boy, you thought it was bad before and nobody, there's no plan behind this.He's just talking, you know.
01:14:53But if you've paid attention, I know people who watch this show are informed enough tounderstand this, like, I mean, the idea that we have an escalatory card short of nuclearweapons that we have not used in those first, in that first month and a half, that's justcompletely ridiculous.It's just totally ridiculous.us. Well, andyou know, back to the beginning ofthis in my fight with General
01:15:17Clark, I go, look, the only way we could beat the Russiansin this war is if Americadirectly intervenes. But thenthat assumes a lot. We can'tbeat Iran. I don't know. We certainlyyou know, I don't know. We probablycould help the Ukrainians beat the Russians ineastern Ukraine, but I wouldn't
01:15:33dare send conventional.I think the Russians are, they're lickingtheir chops over that. I mean, Ithink honestly, theyand they may be wrong,but I think honestly,like they think the way they view itis please give us
01:15:49an opportunity to have some Americanforces like that we can actuallystrike, that we can actuallyget into it with. Like you want tofight on the ground, on our borderlike we and the Ukrainians have been doingfor these several years.Like, I mean,
01:16:04it granted, like if we were to,if it were to somehow, you know,if we could do the Thanos snapand eliminate the existence.of nuclear weapons. So that's completely off the table. Not going to be used. And we instituted just aWorld War II style draft where it's full industrial, you know, capability being poured into the military,into the war, and we're drafting 16 million guys to go serve and people are having victory. Yeah,maybe we could win. Fine. That is not going to happen. I mean, and like the way the Russians are
01:16:39looking at it's like the Americans, NATO, you guys want to get into this war?Okay, so we're going to lose another couple hundred thousand guys.And you're going to lose a couple hundred thousand guys.We've already lost a lot of people.How are you going to feel about losing a couple hundred thousand soldiers?And because, like, yeah, it's just, I, again, I, this is a dark way to look at the Iran war.And I say it only with, like, you know, it's easy for me to say because Americans haven'tsuffered the way so many other people have as a result of this.
01:17:09conflict. But, you know, if we can learn the limits of our power against Iran and this limitedwar, as opposed to doing something like that, thinking, oh, we can look at the Russians,can beat the Ukrainians, we're the Americans, doggone it. Like, once we get on the ground,why they'll run for cover. I, you know, if we can learn the limits of our power here in this war,that would be a blessing in disguise. I mean, fair enough. So, yeah, I don't know, man. Yeah, I agree withAnd I think we all take your dark irony and the way that you say that to. We get it.All right, look, everybody, the show is sponsored by Matt Sersely. He is the Agarist Tax Advice.Agarist Tax Advice.com. And he's for high-saried professionals, small business owners who need to structure their tax payments in such a way as to deny the revenues access to their revenue.
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01:18:45I'll write them all down.We'll hit them up next week.I got to get going though.Sorry.Yeah, I do too.All right.Thanks, guys.See you.
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