RHAP: We Know Survivor - Know-It-Alls: Survivor 48 Finale

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

Today, Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach discuss the finale of Survivor 48.

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For the first time in years, as in we've done this after the finale episode. And when you have a season, like a magnificent season, you gotta pull out all the stops. That's what we're here to do. Congratulations to Kyle, winner of Survivor 48. We'll break down everything from a jaunty three hour finale of Survivor 48.

Tristan Terrens. Couldn't see what was coming in. Blue by, okay? All right, we'll talk about it all here tonight and a little bit of a treat for everybody. Okay. So we know we got a hearty live audience ready to go tonight. If we reach a certain stretch goal, we'll be taking your questions here live. The stretch goal, 100 pre-orders of Stephen Fishback's brand new book,

Escape! Steven, tell us about it. That's huge, oh my gosh. Rob, well, first of all, that's obviously, I'm showing up to Kniff because I gotta talk about my book to this big live audience for this extremely exciting finale. Normally I'd be like, you know, forget it. I'm like, no. But I when I first pitched this book and started to like sell it to publishers,

a lot of people are from a lot of people. I'm not even kidding. Like, survivor fans are not going to buy books. A lot of people are like, what? Our fans. Yes, I'm totally serious. We were like, we like your book. They said we love your book. That's what they have to say.

You know, when they mean we like it, we don't think. They said we love your book. That's what they have to say to me, you know what they mean, we like your book. We don't think Survivor fans are gonna buy books. And I said, you don't know the Know It Alls community. Like that's gonna be like these, I don't know about Survivor fans, but like I know that like my podcast people are gonna be there for me. So I truly like, if you can go to stevenfishback.com

and pre-order, it'll be in the world. Like I've already gotten like a big chunk of pre-orders from last week when I talked about this. And I can already feel the vibe changing in-house and for my publisher, they're like, oh, maybe serve in Dubai. It's like, I can feel the excitement around me growing. So truly, if you have the opportunity,

right now, right now do it. Because people, a lot of people, oh yeah, we meant to do it, we forgot. I'll opportunity, right now, right now do it. Because people, a lot of people, oh yeah, we meant to do it, we forgot, I'll wait, I'll wait right now. Let's take a pause, 15 minutes. If people, no, well then we'll find out later on in the show, if we take questions, we will have hit that benchmark for Stephen Fishback's book.

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So I look forward to talking to Franny for the first time in Survivor 48. So join us for the final five. And then we'll have a little bit of a break. So we'll have a little bit of a break. So we'll have a little bit of a break. So we'll have a little bit of a break. So we'll have a little bit of a break. So we'll have a little bit of a break.

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Yeah. And Steven, one other thing just at the top of the show to announce, we broke the news this week that we are putting together top 25 baby top 25 moments in Survivor history is a fan vote you could go to Robbinswebs.com slash top 25 we'll get more information on that but voting is open through Tuesday for a big special thing to commemorate the 25th anniversary of Survivor coming up in just a couple of weeks that's crazy that's crazy I

remember watching the first episode of the Silver anniversary of Survivor coming up in just a couple of weeks. That's crazy. That's crazy. I remember watching the first episode of Survivor. The Silver Anniversary of Survivor. Yes. What do you get? What do you get someone for their Silver Anniversary? I believe silver. I think that's pretty, pretty cut and dry on that one. That's pretty, yeah.

Okay. Steven, so let's talk about it. We've followed this all the way through. At times, it really felt like Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. I really thought that the worm had turned last week to Kyle. And then ultimately, Kyle ends up finishing the deal, ends up being the winner in a I'm not sure if we had a five to two to one vote.

Yeah, that's an unusual, unusual vote and an unusual breakdown. It's kind of cool actually, that's all. One of the things I like most about this spelling was the vote breakdown. It felt like, you know, I feel like there's so often a group think around a vote and you know, well, this faction like this person and like this faction like that person, but like, you know, Star was like, yeah, you go, you killed him in the fire making and Mary thought you're so smart and you you were yourself. And, you know, Cedric was like, do it for dads, you know, like everybody kind of had their own little like reason that they obviously Kyle like resonated with a bigger block. Well, I do think that like, you know of Joe's Alliance did vote for Cops.

That's interesting to talk about. But yeah, 5-2-2-1. Not a lot of Joe in this finale. The big character of this season, not really a character, it felt like in the finale. I do wonder if part of that was just like part of that may have been like to protect this audience who loves Joe so much. Yeah. I'd love to talk a little bit about that

because I feel like that Joe looked like the person who was the hero of the season. And something that I thought was gonna be some cognitive dissonance was that, how are we gonna make the jury be bitter if a Kyle win happened? Was it going to be because of a bitter jury towards Kyle? And how do we explain that when he's been such a beloved figure all season long?

But instead, we just kind of didn't get to see. I wonder, is it possible that what we didn't see of Joe talking about was potentially any bitterness coming from the jury towards Joe. Is that possible? I've been seeing, so a lot of people are complaining about the audio. Is there anything I can do to the audio? Because I think I've got a crappy hotel connection. I'm, I'm, uh, yeah. Suffice it to say, uh, I think that maybe the one thing we could try to do is if you turn your camera off and. OK, yeah, that's all right.

And this is what the fans have been asking. OK, now we're in the hands of the fans. We're in the hands of the fans. And let's see if that ends up doing it again. We appreciate Stephen, while calling in from vacation to talk about the survivor on a late night. So let's see if this is any less choppy. But I wonder if we maybe didn't end up seeing

any sort of like, hey Joe, I'm mad at you questions from the jury. Cause we didn't get that at all. Yeah, I really expected more of that. I wanted that, honestly. I thought there was gonna be that from David. I thought even Shaheen could be that. Like the, honestly, like the,

obviously these final tribals, we only get such like a brief like glimpse of what they talk about. But it did just feel sort of like very superficial, you know, like in a way that, you know, everybody talked about, you know, Eva talked about being autistic and how she overcame that. That's not superficial, of course,

but in terms of her game, Joe was like, I'm the challenge guy. I'm the, you know, I'm the fireman. I'm the 45 year old dad. And then even Kyle, where I feel like the whole season was building up to this like big reveal of all these epic moves that he made, was, you know, like, even that, the music cues were so intense during like that reveal, and that I felt like swept up in them

and emotional. But if you go back to like actually how it played out, it kind of was, it didn't like live up to the anticipation of this like huge reveal over this alliance. And of course it was such a great moment, you know, for the fact that Eva brought it up herself, like she brought up the Shaheen vote and you know, that was so delicious. But, you know, that then Kyle could kind of like, and that Kyle and Camilla could then kind of,

you know, step into that. Like it was so reminiscent of Dee and Austin, of course, in 45. But I don't know. It never really I never really felt like I like the end of these things in the way that I was kind of exciting for and then the way I felt kind of felt like the season was leading towards. Yeah, I felt like that we were leading up to a tribal council where, OK, Kyle was going to make his case against a jury that was potentially going to be

bitter towards Joe. And really it ended up kind of Joe just like Petering out. And it ended up being sort of like an Eva versus Kyle battle at the final tribal council where Eva, who none of us really expected to be a real contender for the title if she got to the final three three was the person that was being like built up to potentially steal the votes from Kyle. And I got to be honest, after the second Eva vote came in, I was thinking a little bit about like, is she going to do it?

I know. I know. I mean, I texted you like an evil wind. It's like I was really surprised by it. And she gave a great final speech of like, you know, we've seen this guy. We've seen this guy like you've never seen anybody like me. I'm the best representative of this unique season. And again, with such an idiosyncratic journey, you could totally see it happening. I mean, let's talk a little about Joe's speech, because again, like Joe

was the figure of the season and I felt like he really undersold his his game. You know, like for me, what was so impressive about Joe was the way I felt like he really undersold his game. For me, what was so impressive about Joe was the way he was able to keep this alliance basically intact, except as he slowly turned on them. For most of the game, he kept everybody close to him. He kept people loyal to him. He built up this strong alliance of strong people

and rode it through. And then when he gets to the end, and he's saying, I want a bunch of challenges, I'm a dad, you know, do you feel like he undersold his game, Rob? And do you think if he had, do you think a different final council performance could have led to a different result for Joe? I just don't think that's who Joe is. I think that Joe is kind of the strong silent type. And I think that in some ways, I think that David bringing the honor and integrity part of it,

I think that Joe just kind of co-opted that because that's what he's about. But I think that David really created sort of like the marketing for the strong five and the branding of that's who we're about. And I think that Joe kind of went with that, but I just don't think that Joe kind of went with that, but I just don't think that Joe is the type of guy

who is gonna be able to give that final tribal council speech. I think that people gravitate him because of his stillness, because of his strength, but I just don't know if he was ever going to be able to articulate the type of game that he played. And I wonder maybe if what he did ended up not being great. And that's why we didn't see it.

Yeah. I mean, that's a really good point. Like I love your point about like the word stillness. I think, I think you're, you're exactly right. And so I think it's a great point too, that he's not the guy who's going to come in like with a philosophy. He's not gonna be like, this is the way I want to play the game.

He's just going to like be trying to like be be true to himself. I mean, he definitely was. I felt a little stunned. And I mean, obviously, like Mike Turner comes to mind here where, you know, you know, Mike Turner showed up at that final tribal council thinking, I just need to get there. I've got this. Yeah. And I wonder if Joe felt that a little bit where like he didn't sell his game hard enough

because he didn't think he had to sell it. Yeah. Did the David vote not come up at all at the final tribal council? I mean, I know that David was doing this bit and maybe for the sake of the bit where David was acting like he was super mad and not talking. And then he asked a question about like,

what did winning challenges do for your game? But I can't believe that that whole thing did not come up at all. Voting on David? I mean, or voting on Chaheen, you know, again, like the honor and integrity guy, who then voted out his closest allies. It's weird.

And like, I don't know, like, he goes goes on 50 and they want to like tear down their hero. Like seriously, like that's a possibility. Okay. Let's talk about that. When we hear about the, the cash reveal, like. Yeah, Steven, I do want to talk about Kyle, because I think that we have done a bad job of not discussing what the winner of the season ended up doing so well. And Kyle really did do a good job. The Kyle and Camilla thing is a beautiful survivor story and how they were able to have this

alliance and keep it a secret. I don't really understand how, where even at the final four, it seems like nobody knows where together. It's like Joe and Eva are here with two other people. It's like, Hey, Eva, isn't it cool that these other two people that are with aren't even friends and we brought them here to the end. I don't, I still don't get it, but apparently they must've done a very good job. It was amazing how they did it. And Kyle does like this really great job of being a part of the strong four or five or six sometimes alliance.

And then also secretly working with Camilla the whole time and not ever letting Camilla feel enough. Like, I don't know if Kyle's really with me. I'm gonna go do my own thing. Yeah, I mean, Kyle, I felt Kyle's game was great. I'm really excited to talk about it, because I feel like people are so down on the season that there's this narrative of like, everyone's kind of not playing that well. But I think Kyle did a really good job. And I do think it's too it's like worth reassessing, you know, the story that people were saying was like, oh, my gosh, they're not making the move. And I'm sure we were seeing this too, you know, at the star

vote at the Maryville, like, why are they not taking this opportunity gosh, they're not making the move. And I'm sure we were seeing this too, you know, at the star vote, at the Mary vote. Like, why are they not taking this opportunity? Why are they not making the move? And now Kyle one, like, does that not like, you know, after the time that's results or I've been thinking of course, but like, does it not after the fact justify like Kyle, Kyle, not making a move? But but I do think Kyle played a really interesting game. I mean, to your point, like he was part of the majority alliance

and he was like in the underdog Alliance and like, you know, everyone seemed fine with that. He was playing from the top and the bottom at the same time. Um, you know, I loved, of course, as I said over and over again, how he was playing so much with his heart. You know, he was making moves that were emotional, but also obviously strategic. You know, I mean, he like, you know, hold off some really, really smart blinds. The Thomas blindside was great.

You know, the fact that when David was, you know, basically out in his relationship with Camilla, like, correctly, you know, he was able to eliminate David. And then he had that like really good Shaheen move. And then just like being able to keep that secret alliance with Camilla, which paid off so beautifully in the Shaheen move, but almost was like worth it just to have like a surprising thing to tell the jury.

You know, I do feel like that sense of like you got one over on the other guy, like that's really great. I mean, and just like his tribal council speech, tribal council speech I thought was overall like pretty good. I tweeted this, but I think it reminded me of Cochrane, you know, this sense of like, I'm like the best average guy. I'm not the strongest. I'm not the smartest. I'm not the most beautiful, but I just did everything a little bit well and here I am. You know, and then Cochrane has his speech about timing where he was like, I'm not the most strategic. I'm not the best in challenges, you know? And I think like that's a great way to present yourself as someone who played the game well, but is not threatening to the

other people on the jury. Yeah. He talked about his overconfidence was his biggest weakness in the game. Cedric asked the first question and he talked about how he was able to then take that weakness and then change the way that he was approaching the game. And so I really thought that he did a great job of articulating his game at that final tribal council. He did the thing which we've seen in the new era where you have to have something to like a surprise for the jury.

The jury eats that up. If there were other surprises that people get gave, we did not see them, but there's, you know, I think we're really three for three on surprises for the jury when it's Mary Ann revealing her idol I guess Eva's I had this safety without power and I didn't use it didn't hit the same way but then we also had D with and this was very reminiscent of the D reveal with Austin and there's been a lot of comparisons between survivor 45 and survivor 48 And I do feel like that in Survivor,

if we're gonna make the comparisons between them, that you do have like two dominant alliances in the new era. I think 45 ends up being the far more interesting story because just to look at like that finale, the final five in that season on the vote where Mama J ends up going home is one of the craziest, most chaotic final five votes

in the history of the show. This was the snooziest vote in the history of the show, the Mitch vote. The first hour of this, like really just, it could have been a TikTok. They could have given us the Mitch vote, the first hour of this, like really, it could have been a TikTok. They could have just given us the Mitch vote in 60 seconds. With all due respect to Mitch, it was a very, it was so cut and dry.

Yeah, it was, and that's right. It was very straightforward. But, and again, like to some degree, good survivor is boring survivor. I also wanna applaud Kyle's speech. I think he did a really good job at the end of casually referring to the jurors, which as we've talked about in the past, they love.

He was like, I was on the tribe with a stunt man and I was the dummy who volunteered for the challenges. And he was like... I had a bubble butt. Yes, yes. And he was like, I'm Cedric's friend, they're going to help me out. You know, Cedric doesn't vote for him. But still, like, you know, it's like kind of like he's like bringing them

into the into the fun of it. And I thought that was just spectacular. I do want to ask, like, you know, going back to those votes where people were complaining about, you know, why are they not making a move? Does this justify Kyle not making a move in those moments where it seemed like his choice was emotional as much as it was strategic? Or was that the wrong choice at the time

and things worked out anyway for other reasons? Things worked out at the time, or things worked out for Kyle. I don't know, and I'd love to ask him when we talk to him, like, did he know that Joe and Eva could not make a case to the jury? Was he feeling like, hey, I'm going to make a case to the jury? Did he feel like, hey, Camilla is not going to be there. She'll like, you know, rally votes for me at Ponderosa.

So it did work out. I would love to know, like, what was the master plan? I think when we look back at things, I think the thing that we look back the most at is the final eight and you had the four people that were on the bottom and it was Camilla and Mary and Star and Mitch and it was, okay, this is it. We have to go all in.

There's a tight four. We can't break that. We need to go to rocks tonight. And Mitch said, no, I'm not gonna vote with Star. That'd be crazy. I'm not doing that. And then ultimately, Mitch doesn't make the big move and then he becomes a small move later on along the way.

And so I think that that's really the point where the four people that were on the bottom, it was so clearly outlined that the four people are on the top. Because, Stephen, it used to be the optimal spot to go to Rocks was six, where you, and, because it's like, hey, I'm not in the final three, I should go to Rocks, but now,

with the final four fire making, if you can just get the four, you have a shot. I think that that would have been, like, the interesting spot for Mitch, who, says, he said, I have no regrets. Mitch also, I think if I was Mitch, I think I'd really be kicking myself of wasting the extra vote on the say vote. Looking back at that, where he plays it just, and maybe this was like to Joe's credit that they get Mitch to play the

advantage he has. Mitch also comes back from the journey and tells everybody, hey everybody, I have the steal or an extra vote. That extra vote could have been the entire difference in the game for Mitch. Yeah, yeah, it's really crazy. You're absolutely right. Had he had that extra vote at that final eight,

at that lock final eight, that would have made an enormous difference. That really could have changed everything. Would have flipped the whole thing. But I digress. As far as, but your initial question was, should Kyle have made the move at seven? Obviously not.

I do think that from Shaheen's perspective, I wonder if he would have, you know, should have made that move at seven. But does the jury then become incredibly bitter towards Shaheen? Do Joe and Eva ever vote for Shaheen if he betrayed the Strong Alliance? And are there enough people there for Shaheen

to ultimately win in the jury? I'm not sure. Yeah, I mean, look, Joe and Eva didn't win, right? And they're the ones who betrayed the Strong Alliance. So in a way, you know, Kyle was best served by not being in that position of, you know, kind of like, you know, of sort of being in this sort of like middle position, which is rare, you know?

So sometimes the person who plays both sides gets in trouble from both sides. But in this case, like, I do think that's sort of like honor and integrity thing really came back to, I mean, I do have come up, because there was so much about it. The whole season was about this and the fact that it didn't come up in tribal council, it's tricky.

So it's, you know, you got to assume that there was at least a little bit of discussion about it or you hope, but again, like maybe not, you know, the things that like resonate for us and like, you know, resonating the edit, like they don't know they're not like, you know, they don't know when they're there. Like what's in the edits. Yeah. Yeah. Based on some of those things that Jeff was saying at the Survivor Reunion show, I'm not sure necessarily if Jeff has the like fourth dimensional

viewing of being able to know the edit in the fan reaction in the real time. Anything in particular jump out to you, Rob? A few of the things about, OK, this person is going to be the fan favorite, you know, maybe those things are a little harder to read until you actually get the thing on TV. From early morning workouts that need a boost to late night drives that need vibes, a good playlist can help you make the most out of your everyday. And when it comes to everyday spending, you can count on the PC Insiders World Elite Mastercard to help you make the most out of your everyday. And when it comes to everyday spending, you can count on the PC Insiders World Elite Mastercard to help you earn the most PC optimum points

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Yeah. OK. OK. That's going to unlock, we'll take questions later on. First test goal. Oh wow, that's great. Yeah. Okay. That's exciting. Sam is saying that the people can start putting their questions in the chat, but we're not going to start taking them until we hit that goal at Stevenfishbrook.com. This is so exciting. Oh wow, my gosh, we're going to make it. I want to pivot to the Final Four fire making tonight, which had some interesting machinations in terms of what Kyle and Camilla

were thinking, what Kyle was thinking, what Joe was thinking, what jumped out to you? I mean, obviously Kyle, it was interesting. Well, I won't even go back to Camilla before the challenge. Saying to Kyle, you know, if I win, I'm not taking you with me. Is that the same to sayilla before the challenge. Yes. Saying to Kyle, you know, if I win, I'm not taking you with me. Is that the same to say that before the challenge, Rob? I think it was a mistake, certainly, because Kyle is going to win. But I think that, you know, she ends up deciding that, OK, well,

I don't think that it'll be good for me or you to have the other one there. And so, yeah, I don't think that both of be good for me or you to have the other one there. And so, yeah, I don't think that both of us should be in the final three. I don't think we've ever seen allies talk like that. I mean, certainly like there was no scenario where you and JT are like, hey, you know, it'd be great if the one of us didn't make the final two. And then the other one could like make sure

like the rally the votes. Yes, it's really true. And I felt like we saw more jury management talk from Kyle and Camilla. And this is a little bit of a digression than we've seen from almost any player. I mean, they were constantly assessing, okay, if we send Joe over there,

he's gonna stump for Eva. Eva's gonna be a solid Joe vote. And I think that their decisions were so strategic about how to build a favorable jury in the way that Joe and Eva were clearly not thinking about that, right? They're thinking, how do we, you know, get to the end? How do we eliminate the threats?

Someone's plotting against me, I got to take them out. You know, Kyle and Camilla were so focused on like that very, on how to win in a way that like we rarely see from players. I mean, it's very hard on Survivor to have that level of control where you can build the jury of your dreams. But they did it as well as anybody really has. To the point, you have to think about what you're saying. It's actually better for us if one of us is not there. And I think that's totally true.

I think they probably would have cannibalized each other's votes. But anyways, to get to your question, it wasn't incredible the way that first Kyle sticks to that and then thanks to himself, he hears Eva really breaking down as she struggles with fire, but maybe he should put himself in. Rob, did know, he hears Eva really breaking down as she struggles with fire. But maybe he should put himself in. Rob, did you think he was?

There was a chance that Kyle would actually put himself in? I did not think Kyle would actually put himself in. I thought there was more of a chance that Joe was going to put himself into the fire, which I actually think that based on especially how things turned out, I think that that would have been a better move for Joe where Kyle said he didn't want to give Joe that opportunity, but I think that for Joe to get the opportunity to have made fire, he certainly would have beaten Camilla based off of how it ultimately went for Camilla.

I think that that could not have hurt his case for Joe. Yes, exactly, exactly. And I think that, to your point, yeah. I mean, it's the best, Kyle was very smart to take Joe. I mean, it seemed like Kyle knew he could beat Joe. You know, like a lot of people, I saw a lot of people commenting at the final five, the fact that they are voting out Mitch here

means they're not worried about Joe sweeping. No, certainly not. And it's just like, I would love to have gotten that from the show a little bit of that the show just presented Joe as like kind of infallible where people were going to like adore him. And that certainly was the reaction. We're recording this right after the episode aired,

so I don't have a great sense of what the more casual fan reaction has been. I haven't talked to my mom yet about how she's feeling about all this. So I just don't know. I don't know if people are going to be upset at all about Joe not winning. I just don't know. Did Kyle going to be upset at all about Joe not winning. I just don't know, did Kyle know?

Did Shaheen know? Did they have conversations like, listen, Joe is going to bomb at the final tribal council. Like it would be a dream to go to the final tribal council with Joe. Yeah, I mean, Shaheen obviously believed that that was his strategy. You know, it seemed like the show knew, right. Because they were asking the questions in conventional. Why

not? David was falling over himself. I want to go to the final travel council with Joe and Eva. And we were all like, why? Yeah. Why would you do that? Yeah. It's interesting. Like, you know, sometimes it's like, you get these players. It's like, you know, it's like a reverse Brandon Hance, like watching the show, you're like, Brandon Hance was such a mess. And then you hear these, like, you talk to the players afterwards, like, oh yeah,

Brandon Hance would have swept, you know, South Pacific. And Brandon Hance in the finale, forget it. Like we were all toast. And so like, you know, sometimes you just can't really tell what the actual, you know, the actual temperature is around the contestant. Yeah. Now, as far as Kyle and Camilla go,

I mean, I think that it was such a great story. I really did feel though that Camilla was for Kyle in a way that Kyle wasn't necessarily always for Camilla. Like I felt like that she was like a little bit more invested in this alliance. And I kind of feel like that for her, the Kyle win I think was also like her win, but I don't know if it necessarily 100% saw it

that a Camilla win was a Kyle win. Well, but also Camilla had, you know, I mean, Kyle was in a much greater position of power. So Camilla's access to power was mostly through Kyle. And Kyle had a lot more options than Camilla did. So like, you know, Kyle could have said, forget it Camilla, right? Like at a number of times, like certainly like when David wanted to vote her out, it would be very easy for Kyle to be like, okay, like, you know, let's cut that that part,

let that relationship off. The fact that Kyle really went to bat for her. I mean, in some ways, it says that for Kyle, it really was, you know, because Kyle, like, as much as Kyle was Camilla's only access to power, like Kyle also really stood up for her. I mean, especially with that David vote where he like really risked his own position in the game. But I do think you're right that overall, like Kyle had more options and was like more torn about the direction of his game. You know, and he felt that deep personal loyalty to Joe, right? And that he said went beyond the game.

What do you think happens if Camilla ends up in the final tribal council? Let's just say like Camilla beats Eva in the fire, okay? So take Eva out, she ends up being a Joe vote, okay? Now we end up having the five votes that voted for Kyle. Do you think that they go to Camilla? I mean, they said that they, that, you know, Camilla sweeps stars and Camilla sweeps. Like, you know, that's Shaggy. And we knew Shaggy had a relationship with, so was it a bad read from Camilla to say that, hey, I don't think we should both go in the final three.

I think we have a better chance to win if we end up only one of us in the final three. Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, obviously also it's easy to say after the fact, right? Like, Star says it, they all kind of like nod. Like no one's going to be like, no, she wouldn't have. That's a lot.

You know, in the moment it's like, you're, oh yeah, Camilla, we all love you. You would have owned it. Like, you know, it's, no one's going to like raise their hand and be like, actually, I think she probably still would have lost to Kyle. But now that's canon. You know, now that Starz said that and nobody disagreed, that's going to like make its way over the internet forever. But I do think like, you know, it's interesting to think about like who would I believe that like the jury, that the jury was rooting her on, you know, as the underdog, as the person who has this like resume, but is still like persisting in this like, you know, quite opposite to the to the dominant alliance.

Um, I mean, let's let's look at is David voting for Camilla over over, you know, Kyle there? I doubt it. Yeah. Um, I mean, Chrissy, you know, I could see Chrissy, Chrissy was so excited. She was just like, it was really a came alive. I see Chrissy voting for Camilla there. Um, yeah. If it's not out of school, Mike Bloom texted me and said, who put a nickel in Chrissy? Oh, was what he said. She was very wound up. You know, she was originally from the original Siva with both of them. So I'm not sure who she

had the closer relationship with in terms of Kyle or Camilla. So I think that that would have been a very interesting vote to have seen a broken down that way. And I really, I adored Camilla, but she was my favorite player in the season. I just felt like that I was always hoping for her to, you know, take the game into her own hands a little bit more. But she ends up that her story is really just only of Kyle and Camilla. Whereas I feel like that there are parts of Kyle's stories

that is not Kyle and Camilla. Right, it's Joe and Kyle. It's Kyle and Joe and, you know, Kyle and Camilla. Yeah, I's Joe and Kyle. It's Kyle and Joe and Kyle and Camilla. Yeah, I mean, again, it's because Camilla never was really able to get that other group together. And I do think, I mean, that kind of would have been a flaw in her game at the final tribal, right? I mean, she had all of these,

that's why sitting next to Kyle, it would have been really a hard argument for her, I think, because he could say, every single move you made, like you relied on me for and like the one you didn't make, you know, you tried to make without me, you couldn't pull off on at the final eight. And so like, I believe that the jury was rooting for her. But I also think that would have been a very like tough argument at the end of the nation argument, like, you know, too. Yeah. OK. This group of players, if they end up doing a returning players new era,

who's coming back from 48? And it doesn't need to be coming back, you know, one week from today. We found out on CBS early shows, even I hope you're ready. Wake up early for with Nate Berlson and Gail King for the Survivor 50 cast reveal at what, eight o'clock in the morning? Next Wednesday? Yeah, I guess so.

Very excited, we'll be up, I'll be up at dawn. Is that what Sam is saying, 7 a.m.? Well, yeah. Is that confirmed, or is that just when the show starts, Sam? We'll see. Follow the Instagram clues for time. Yes. 7 p.m.

7 a.m. Okay. Well, I'm just gonna sort of the slow reveal of information that, anyway. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people are very high on, I mean, I was lower on Joe than I think a lot of people are very high on, I mean, I was lower on Joe than I think a lot of people are. I mean, I really like Joe as I think people have engaged. In our chat, BCC thread earlier today,

I said like my toxic trait is that I'm secretly voting, rooting for Joe and everyone's like, this is not so secret, Steven. I think you might've been. But but I I did not necessarily see him as a returning because I felt this season search his story so well, but that he was not necessarily a great returning player. But everybody seems to disagree with me. And a lot of people think there's a world.

I feel like you said this, right? There's a world where he's just like he's on 50. Yeah, that was my theory after last week's episode where I feel like that there had been some buzz that maybe somebody from Survivor 48 is gonna be on. And I think that there was some talk of about a few different players. But then I started to think, well, hold on a second.

Like we're also convinced that Joe was the winner, but now I'm starting to see where, you know, Kyle has opened this thing up. Is Kyle the winner? And could it be Joe who's coming back? And I do wonder if the very rosy edit that Joe got all season long might just be the precursor to coming back.

Yeah. I think David is competitive here to come back. He was a very fun character. Again, like that role is like a tough spot. You know, he's got like, there's like Jonathan there for that spot. But I think he's like, they're probably someone who they'll like,

you know, keep it, keep in mind. Right. And I don't think that David is going to be on Survivor 50, but I think that David would be a very fun returnee to have come back. I mean, obviously we talk a lot about Sey, right? There was talk that Sey was in the mix for 50. So if that's the case, I think that,

I mean, maybe she still is, I have no idea. I mean, Kyle, of course, I think is a big player. Camilla again, like, is Camilla returning? Is Camilla returning upside? I think Camilla, I would love to see her play in another season. And especially it started to feel like in this finale, which ends up being a really great episode for her,

we started to get the storyline of old Camilla, new Camilla, and new Camilla believes in herself. And that ultimately, I think, ends up being her survivor story in addition to her partnership with Kyle in the game. I would love to see her end up coming back and getting the chance to play again, because it was even mentioned earlier in the season, like imagine Camilla in a different season, she might be able to do even more damage. Yeah, yeah.

I think actually Camilla was extremely ill-served by that season, I agree. I would have loved to see Camilla in a different season. You know, I had that growth arc on my first season of Survivor of like, I don't believe in myself. And by the end I believed in myself. And I had the reverse arc on my second season of Survivor. I went in believing myself

and I left not believing in myself. You went full circle. Yeah, yeah. A cock friend at the time tweeted something like, it was so beautiful to see you go from like a beautiful butterfly to like a withering caterpillar or something. Yeah, reverse. That was a joke obviously.

Steven, unfortunately for you, you played in the old era where your growth arc was not celebrated in the way that the growth arc is celebrated in the old era where your growth arc was not celebrated in the way that the growth arc is celebrated in the new era. Yeah, that was a real game changer for growth arcs. The other person who I think I would really like to see again, and obviously it's a long shot, and we'll maybe get a second chance season is Thomas. I just loved Thomas.

I would love to see Thomas come back, but it's such a long shot. We haven't talked really at all about Eva, and she ultimately has like a very interesting season arc and then also certainly tonight where she ends up getting the advantage because it can't be survivor 48 if we don't give the advantage to Eva and She ends up doing that. She ends up going into the final four fire making. We see the struggle that she ultimately ends up having where Joe is able to coach her through it. We see her ultimately prevail in the final four fire making, but not without a moment where she had a bit of panic that she ends up overcoming and getting coached through. ends up overcoming and getting coached through. I think it's a really strong final tribal council appearance. So I definitely think that Eva would be on the table to return to.

I don't know if evil wants to return to the survivor for another go round. But I definitely think the show would love to have her back. Yeah, that's an interesting idea. That's a really good point. Like she would be a really fun player to bring back for another season. What about a lot of people are asking in the chat, like Shaheen, like I really enjoyed Shaheen. I feel like that spot is too,

I don't think he was, like he made big enough moves to like get that spot. Well, I thought it was interesting the way that Jeff described him at final tribal council of that Jeff said to, oh, Shaheen, you are very much a player who knows that you have to like, I forget exactly what he said. I didn't write it down, but you like, you know that you need to take risks in order to get to the end and win. But I

thought that that was not necessarily the story that we had of that Shaheen felt like that he could have been the Kyle. He could have gone to the end and beat Joe. Yeah. I mean, it seems like that was his game plan. And honestly, it looks like it could have worked. Right. I think it could have worked. Certainly. Well, I mean, Kyle said, right, like, you know, every someone said like the story was like Joe was the muscle, evil was the heart and Shaheen was the brains, you know? And if that was the case, like, I think the brains wins that if that was really what they each were sort of known as in that group. Yeah, I feel like that there's like an alternate view of this season where it's like, okay, well, what if instead of being the presumptive winners, what if people looked at Joe and Eva as a double pair of goats. And every, all these other players, all the other power players in the game

are all fighting with each other over who gets to sit with them at the end. As they both talk about like their honor and loyal and integrity. And then as they actually like don't, aren't able to like articulate their strategic moves in the game, that there there was this arms race to who can actually get to the end with them.

I think that that's probably the best explanation of what this season was. Yes, I think you're absolutely right. Well, no, I don't. I take that back. I was agreeing with you, but I don't actually think you're absolutely right. It's late, it's late.

If it was earlier, I would disagree. Look, we got a lot of confessionals from a lot of people saying like, Oh my gosh, like Joe's amazing. Like, no one's going to vote. He's going to get all the votes. We have to vote him out. Like that seemed to be so much the overall consensus. I'm sure that at a certain point, and maybe it wasn't on the final six, like that kind of changed for people. Like, Oh, like, like, I don't really need to get him out. But I think it's so hard to know what the jury thinks. Respectfully. If I may push back on that, that every single player tells us in confessionals and, and, and every single player in confessional talks about the other players. Oh my God,

Mitch can't sit next to Mitch at the end. Oh, my God. Mary. Oh, my God. Can't you can't sit next to Mary Camilla. Oh, she's going to win. If she gets in there, she'll get all the votes and you got star. Oh, star with that personality. Forget it. You can't sit next to. So every single person is, you know, in, in,

in other people's confessionals and in their own is like, I would have won if I would have got there. I was a threat. They had to take me out. That's why I had to eliminate me there. Got to get rid of the threats. But you know, I mean, do you believe that Mitch would have gotten racked up votes at the final tribal council tonight? No, it's not really from what we saw, you know, but like, you know, Yeah, right, right. Exactly. Listen, one vote, nothing to sneeze at.

I was like, that's right. Yeah. Let's talk. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, and you have to see today that Joe and Eva were making the rounds on the aforementioned CBS this morning doing press, talking about their impact on the season. Are they gonna go on an amazing race? It does seem as though if they are available,

a stint on the amazing race would very much seem like that that would be a move that would make sense. Now, they just filmed a all Big Brother amazing race that's been widely promoted. I get the sense that I feel like that the amazing race in CBS is like, OK, one for us, one for you. I feel like the next one coming up is the one for you season. So I don't know if they're going to be forced to get foisted with a survivor duo.

Yeah. But again, like a super popular do and again, like a very unusual duo. And it really was unusual how, you know, flagrant they were about their duomess. It's just like you don't really. And it was cool. I mean, that was like, I think I like the season a lot more than a lot of other people did. But I liked that there was this one really public duo and the one secret duo. That was really interesting, that kind of thing.

I liked that Kyle, our winner, had this constant tension of acting like a good person against the demands of the game in this really heartfelt, earnest, beautiful way that was just continually playing him up until the very end. Look, that part is some beautiful survivor poetry and we get that from time to time. And I think we all appreciate that part of the story. I just think that the ride

along the way to get to this final four ultimately was just a little bit of taking the scenic route. Yeah, I mean, the pre-merge was very fun, though. The California girls, you know, that was a fun alliance. Yeah. A friend of mine asked me, was the best moment of the post-merge David standing up after Mary got voted out? Listen, I can't believe, you know, my biggest regret of my whole suburb podcasting career is not giving David the fishy for that. That's going to be, you know, for me, a moment that lives in infamy.

It was such a good moment. You know, it's your fault. I blame you. Was it sort of a dud advantage for Eva, like in that challenge that she like, you know, the advantage should mean something. I know that it's a hard balance. You don't want to be managed to just basically, you know, you don should mean something. I know that it's a hard balance. You don't want the advantage to just basically, you know, you don't want to basically be like a win.

But like that moment, nobody was stopped at that little black basketball thing. Yeah. There is not a great track record for that final immunity or that final five immunity advantage. I believe this came up on Twitch recently. The only person who win that final five challenge, who won the advantage for it was Erica in season 41. And I don't think that they've had it last season. That's the only person that got the advantage and then won the challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it was really just you know filling out the three hours a little bit more So then we're really putting our finger on the scale of that final challenge speaking of Eva What do you think about when Eva called out Maria an old woman? Yeah, no the woman I mean Maria Maria's our age Rob. She was she was she was pretty much Maria might be younger than us She was our age, Rob. She was, she was, she was talking about us too. Maria might be younger than us. Um, let's see how old, how old was Maria? No, she's a little older than us. Okay. She's 49. Yeah. Okay. Oh, season 49. Perfect.

Same, same ballpark. Yeah. Very funny. Older one. Yes. There's like an oof moment there. She's being poor Maria, you know, like you're sitting there and you're like, uh, guess an oof moment there. I'm just being for Maria, you know, like you're sitting there, you're like, uh, I guess I'll watch Survivor. I had such a rough time of it. Really, what'd she say? She's like, oh really, old woman? How many immunity challenges did you win?

Yeah, that's good, that's good. You don't wanna be like watching the show and catching strays, you know, it's so special. It's painful for the new contestants to watch the show. All right. Yeah. I'm getting word from Sam. Steven, I have incredible news. Well, tell me we hit one hundred preorders first.

What? No, no. Thank you. That's amazing, guys. That's incredible. That's incredible. Incredible. Okay. So with that, we can take some questions. Okay.

Classic know it alls. We're taking questions here live. Okay. All right. Let's start with this one from, what is it, zero colon 69, okay? Where does Kyle rank in the New Era player? I think arguably he's number one, all right!

The hyperbole is fully functioning tonight. Number one player in the New Era, Kyle. Yeah. Um, I think... You can argue anything. Argu Yeah. Um, I think you can argue anything. Arguable is number one short, you can argue it. I think he was a very good player. I do think he's a very good player. I mean, if we're only talking about the people

who won the show, like I do think D probably played a better game. You know, I think, should I try my camera again now that we're at, you know, now that I don't have to wear this, it. Whoa. Hello. How is this? Yeah.

Well, I think it's more the audio that got a little laggy, but let's try it for a minute. If the audio gets bad again. Um, you know, Dee was good. I mean, Rachel was a great player. You know, Rachel obviously played from a different position. Yeah, I think we got a little laggy here. So let's, yeah. All right.

It was good to see you for a second, but here. So let's, yeah. It was good. It was good to see you for a second, but yeah, the people were asking. Yeah. Yeah. No, like it's because I'm like all players. It just becomes like the scope of it. Yeah. I think it's hard, especially when you start to compare some of the recent winners. When you factor in Rachel won so many challenges. I mean, Kyle seemed to have a grip on the social game that might have been right there with D. And so I think that Kyle was an incredibly well-rounded player and I'm not talking about his bubble butt. Okay. You sickos. Okay. But he did a really great job. So yeah, I don't think it would be crazy if you said

that you think Kyle is number one in the new era. Yeah. I mean, I think you'd have to like Kyle and D were probably, I think I'm, I'm, I'm, I think jam jams, like reputation has soured, but I felt jam jams like a fantastic, I don't see it. Yeah. And I think that that D was part of a team and a group that really did well. Whereas like, I mean, Kyle had his back against the wall in certain spots. I mean, Kyle had he not him and Camilla not pulled off the idol move that, you know, he could have gone home at the Thomas vote. Certainly like put his game on the line for Camilla at the David vote. So, I mean, Kyle did do some things along the way.

Yeah, and this is why I always throw up. That ranking is arbitrary and reductive. Yes, okay. All right, Lexa wants to know, did Camilla lose the game when she told Kyle about sending him to fire? If she didn't say that, would Kyle have done something different?

I think there's a world where Kyle might have taken her. Like, once she said it, I mean, so much of Kyle's like moral compass in the game is about having permission to do the things he feels like he should do. I believe that like, if there, I believe there's another path that Camilla could have taken where she couldn't sit the opposite, you know?

And then, you know, kind of committed. We're gonna pick each other, right? Yeah, committed him to that. And then kind of after she won the challenge, she could be like, actually, I don't think that's the case. You know, I think that maybe the right move for me is X. And I think like, I believe that she could have gotten him to take her.

I don't know, what do you think? I think that he, I think that she, if she said, hey, we're taking each other to the end, right? I think it's a little bit of a different story. I don't know if it's a foregone conclusion. I just feel like that she gave him in a lot of ways just like the off-ramp that he needed Where he did not ever have to betray?

Joe Camilla never put him into a position where he had to Kyle had to pick between Joe and Camilla He he did certain things to put himself in better positions, like the Shaheen vote, but he never made Joe feel like, he never crossed Joe in Joe's eyes. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's exactly right. And that would have been, well, then whatever.

Like if Joe's sitting next to him, it wouldn't really matter. If the final city was like Joe. But I do think there's a world where like it really blows up for him. It's like they send Joe to the jury. And then you've got like Joe, like furious at Kyle, you know, coming in hot there. And then everybody's nobody's mad at Joe anymore because Joe's on the jury now. Right. That that anger goes, it dissipates as soon as Joe's there, too.

And so there's a world where that works out quite badly for Kyle. OK. all right. I know you love ranking questions. The Life Malibs said, where do Kyle and Camilla and Joe and Eva rank in terms of all time survivor duos? And I think they're interesting because I think they're different types of duos.

I think that Joe and Eva are a little bit more of the classic throwback survivor duo of the Pascal and the Lea and Roger and Elizabeth Fularski. Okay. Remember them? Yeah. No. You remember them? Yes. Of course. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like the old school, like this is our deep personal bond connection. Yeah. Especially when it's a, a older guy, not going to say an old man. And especially because Joe's younger than me. And also a young woman, this, especially for whatever reason, really has a place in the hearts ofor fans. That's interesting. That's a very good point. That's like, yeah, that's something like

a nevuncular relationship. Bob and Sugar, like I feel like there's something there. There's something there, yeah. Now Kyle and Camilla though, I think that that's where we start to have a little bit more fun here, because I think- Also an older guy and a younger woman, right? Kyle and Camilla, I don't know their exact names.

I don't know, how old is Camilla? Yeah, I don't know. They're pretty, they're pretty close in age. I think probably maybe, maybe like a six, seven years max is in terms of- Looks like Camilla's 31 and a survivor age. Okay. So the same age, man and woman. But I do feel like that this is a little bit more of the thing that is very interesting to the survivor fans. The classic Stephen and JT, Malcolm and Denise. But I think that this is where like one plus one equals three, where we have the Alliance,

where the two, the combined strengths of the two creates more than the sum of the parts. And I think that's what Kyle and Camilla were. Yeah, and I think having that ability to quickly bounce ideas off of each other, and that's really special, where you're just instantly, you're in the game together, your brains are working really quickly together, you can quickly

see ideas and then slowly being able to sort of back check each other to both disseminate things at the same time and then come back and kind of, you know, it really, and so much of it is kind of like a choice, you know? It's like you're sort of like talking up, you become that duo, right? Like you're saying, I'm gonna be part of this duo, and like that like gets you to three. You know, you sort of like have to make that choice and be like, it's like marriage. You know, I like saying like, I choose you,

like suddenly you do create this bond that's like bigger than just like two people, you know, in a random relationship. Beautiful. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, all right. This is from Jake. If Eva had voted off Kyle at five, could she have won?

Let's talk about that. So this is, I guess, in this scenario, then Mitch goes with Joe and Eva. And we don't even know if we saw Mitch like try to pitch to Joe and Eva. I think we saw Mitch say like, great, we have the numbers. Kyle and Camilla, let's do this. And you're like, Mitch, my guy.

Sit down, Mitch. So, all right, so Eva and Joe here vote off Kyle. And then they go to the final four with Camilla, Mitch, Joe and Eva. Now Kyle doesn't win, so I guess, well let's say, do you wanna say that Joe wins some motion or you think Mitch would win? Mitch has been very good with the ball challenges.

Yeah, he was really good with the balls. Honestly, I could see either of them winning. Yeah. I still think actually Joe would probably win that one, but you know, Mitch was very good. Yeah. Let's say Mitch, let's say Mitch just for fun. All right. Say Mitch, Mitch wins takes Camilla Joe and Eva now are making fire. Probably Joe wins. Okay.

Joe, Mitch, Camilla final three. I think Camilla wins. Yeah. I mean, sounds like, I mean, it sounds like the jury was really rooting for her. Yeah. It sounds like even it doesn't worse if she votes off Kyle at the final vote. Well, looks like looks like looks like she made the right choice. Coming in fourth. Yeah. Okay. Let me see. What did the what did the chat say about that? Okay. Do they agree with that? Can't miss Mitch with a once emotion. Yeah, that's what Thundercat says. Yeah, I think that's right.

Okay. All right. Then there's a question from Yousef says, where does this season rate on your hotness factor? Do you rank the seasons by hotness? Yeah. Well, obviously I'll rank them. I mean, I said at the very beginning, this was a great hot season, especially for hot guys.

But I do think there was just an era of Survivor where they cast a lot of like, you know, models and actors and most of the fans like hated that era. For good reason, you know, the gameplay was somewhat stagnant, nobody who showed up at any idea what they were doing on the show. But, you know, I feel like you're a little bit of a mix of that you You need like kind of like clueless hymbos. Okay. I had a question about who won the Cesternino household draft, okay? So big news in the Cesternino household

where that the winner of the family draft was Anthony who had both Kyle and Eva in the family. Wow. Wow. That's great. And it was a proud moment. He was so into the final four fire making. He was like, like, like he caught himself like blowing on the fire when Eva was trying to. He was into it. He was locked in. Wow. That's amazing. Yes.

He's like, why am I, why am I, why am I, I can't affect what's happening on the TV. Why am I trying to blow on the fire? Yeah, Nicole Stradamus has to cede her title to- No, that's where you're wrong because guess who Nicole Stradamus is fricking winner pick was? Who?

Kyle. Oh yeah, oh wow, okay, okay. So- That's amazing. Yeah, I had two people doing a victory lap My children mocking me of like hold on dad aren't you supposed to be the survivor know it all How do you not know anything? No, all right. All right, see anything else that you want to say about So, all right. All right. Steven, anything else that you want to say about Survivor 48 as we get in and finish

our first word on this scintillating night? Yeah, I mean, do you want to talk about the after show? Anything to say about that? Not really, right? Yeah, what's to say about the after show. I mean, if anybody, so help me God, if anybody voted to not do the live reunion in Los Angeles for Survivor 50, unsubscribe. We don't want you. Okay? Yeah. Go away. You're not welcome here. Really? Yeah. Steven, Kyle couldn't even talk. Yeah. And you always have that like third place finalist.

I mean, Joe looks really like just stunned. I mean, he really, I mean, they always do, right? The loser is just like, you're like having your heart ripped out, you know, right in front of you on national TV. Yeah. So there was some funny moments. Obviously the David milk thing was, you know, unexpected that we did that,

but we got that moment. David showed up. That was great. That was like, Jeff in his goopy era, like is, I'm really enjoying it. I love the hug that bringing out the cup of milk. Why not? Why not?

Jeff talked about how Mitch is gonna be getting so many dates after this. We'll have to find out from Mitch on the exit press if Mitch has been inundated with date requests. What did Joe say about him having a badger in his pants? Whoa. Didn't he say something like that? Like he was like, when he was talking about Mitch throwing the party, he was like, he's got a badger in his pants. Well, I have to say something like that. Like he was like, I'm not like Mitch throwing the party.

He was like, he's got a vendor inside of him or something. OK, all right. Well, go back and check the tape on that. You know, tell me I didn't make I didn't catch it. But it doesn't mean it didn't happen. The channel let us know. And we got our first look at Survivor 49. Very exciting.

Yes, okay. So, Lauren says that maybe Joe said, he's a badger under his humble persona. Okay. So sorry, I'm so loopy. It's so far past my bedtime. Yes, okay. So, and Survivor 49, they really set it up

like it's like a shipwreck. Like the whole thing was like a underwater pirate ship Yeah, it felt very like the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie, you know, yeah Okay, you don't think don't believe in survivor your dates No, I remember the first Pirates of the Caribbean All right. Yeah. All right. So

That's the Survivor 48 finale. Of course, maybe where there moments from survivor 48 that you want to vote for that head on over to Rob's website. What's the greatest moment? I think it's the Joe and Eva thing is the 48 moment. Yeah. Yeah. That actually is pretty good. Okay, so, and David's standing up at tribal council, probably should be on the list. Robbinswebsite.com slash top 25, that Mike Bloom is going to be bringing you a countdown all through the month of June.

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Yep, and of course, the first access to tickets will be for the patrons of Rob has a podcast. Head over to robiswebsite.com slash patron. If you want to get first access to the tickets and as many listeners know, the tickets go fast. I will be live with the patrons on Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern for the Q&A and a little bit of an update coming in June to the patron program. We are retiring the $5 level of Patreon for new patrons.

Current patrons, you're locked in forever. But in June, we are starting a new era of the Robbins Podcast Patreon, and there will be no more $5 tier. That being said, you can lock in the $5 tier between now and June 1st. Robbinswebsite.com slash patron. OK. And then, Steven, this weekend, the survivors are back playing Blood on the Clock Tower 4.

And this is this is our best episode yet. It's extra. Oh, my God. Let's see. They're just trying to power off. It's like little basis dungeon basement. Okay, very thematic. You can't even tell because I'm because I don't have any I'm not on video. Yes, Survivors Played Blood on the Clock Tower 4. It's our best episode yet. Very, very, very, very fun chaotic episode. Highly recommend and is going to be premiering this Saturday, I believe at 1pm Eastern. Okay, check that out on our JP YouTube channel. Okay, yeah. And then also, again, like, please go to StephenFishback.com to preorder my book. As I said, it makes a huge difference. And like, I truly believe that no one else listeners will really, really, oh, wow, look

at that. Enjoy this. Like it's got, you know, if you're looking for a story about, you know, a reality show and a nerdy guy with, or a nerdy character, I should say, it's got a nerdy character with glasses who's looking for growth as she experiences this reality show. Like it's got a character with a giant beard who roars a lot. I feel like that, you know, some people may a character with a giant beard who roars a lot. Do you like that? You know, some people may be familiar with such a character.

We like that. Yeah. And there's a doctor character who may or may not actually be a doctor. So I tried to like take all of the things that I've like thought and experienced and, you know, considered, you know, about reality TV and kind of like channel them onto this book. And so if you if you enjoyed me talking about survivor and reality television, generally, I believe you will love this book. And like truly, like if you could preorder it at Steven fishback.com, it would make a big difference. Okay. All right. And then Steven fishback joined the

Wharton burger bros to talk about the genius game. Yes, that was a very fun podcast. Episode five. Not such a fan of the genius itself. Well, I love Korean genius, but the South Korean genius, but this genius. But, you know, it's very fun. I guess. Yeah. OK. Check that out. I guess it's better than the show.

I feel confident saying that. And then we have been chatting all season long over on chat BCC, Robbinswebsite.com slash VIP chat. I'm sure we will be chatting along with the other survivors in the group chat as we get some survivor 50 news in just one week. And the word on the street, there's also a RHAP podcasters chat BCC channel about to open up. So check that out to see what the podcasters are talking about in the group chat at robbinswebsite.com slash VIP chat. Steven, appreciate you staying up late fighting through the technical difficulties in the hotel Wi-Fi and in the dark.

Yeah. Well, I appreciate you tolerating it. You know, I mean, this is such a, you know, beautifully run operation. I feel like I'm such a, you know, something, yeah. Some amazing part of it. Thank you, Steven, for another season of the Know-It-Alls. And like, can I announce this also that usually we say, okay, Stephen, we'll see you in the fall. But if we get some survivor 50 news, you'll be hearing from Stephen Fishback again sometime next week. Yeah, I'm very excited to break that down. And fishy for Kyle, in case it wasn't obvious. A lot of people are saying Fishy, obviously Fishy for Kyle. He won Survivor. That's so fucking cool. Excuse me, that's freaking cool. And he did a great job. He played a really spectacular game.

All right. Steve, enjoy the rest of your trip, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us here tonight. And I will be back on a busy Thursday here on RJP. Take care of a good one. Bye! Bye bye!