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04:47 It's time to bring the funk on Roland Unfiltern on the Black Sun Network. Let's go. Well, Republicans in Missouri thought the third time would be a charm. Missouri Supreme Court stopped their efforts to enforce a new gerrymandered map that would wipe out the congressional seat of Congressman Emmanuel Cleaver in Kansas City. That they got bumped there. Then they went to Supreme Court. No, not going to support you. They didn't want to a federal judge.
06:11 Supreme Court said, nah, we ain't doing it. Then the Eighth Circuit ruled in their favor. Supreme Court's like, listen, man, we're told y'all it's not going to happen. And so the third time, it's happening. Y'all, it's absolutely crazy. It's just nuts of what they continue to do. It's all about trying to steal another congressional seat. Republicans trying to gerrymander as much as they could.
06:36 Remember, this whole war started in Texas when Donald Trump called up, MAGA governor Greg Abbott and said, I need you to find me five seats. Will they change the districts there, hoping that they were going to, and they wiped out five Democratic seats, hoping they were going to pick those up on. the Republican side. Then that war caused California to change their map. And then you saw North Carolina and Missouri and all these different states going back and forth in Florida and you name it.
07:02 And then Virginia made their move. There was a whole election in Virginia, but the Virginia Supreme Court invalidated that election. It has been an absolute war. Republicans are doing all of this because they are desperate. They are desperate to hold on to the House because by controlling the House, then they control Donald Trump's agenda. But not only that, it is where the House will certify the 2008 presidential election. Don't think all these things are not related. They, indeed, they are. And so it's just been one thing after another.
07:34 And so let's see what kind of crazy nonsense they'll try to decide. In fact, you got to remember, the Secretary of State there actually said he was going to defy a federal court order. I told you people are crazy. During my panel right now are Candace Kelly, legal analyst and host, Takeaway with Candace Kelly, South Orange, New Jersey, Matt Manning, civil rights attorney out of Corpus Christi. Is he wearing a highway shirt today?
07:55 Don't know. Michael Imhotep, host of the African History Network show out of Detroit. Glad to have all three of you are here. Candace, I'll start with you. I mean, this is what is beyond shameful. These people, I mean, Supreme Court said Kavanaugh wants, no, no, not going to use a new map. Second time, no, not going to use a new map.
08:14 Then another court rules, the A circuit tri-suit, no, no, we ain't doing that. I mean, my God. Exactly. Tell about taking else. Exactly. And not taking them well. And, you know, the Supreme Court, you know, that's it. You know, where else is he going to go at this point?
08:37 I mean, we see other tactics that he is using in order to actually literally try to steal the vote or use measures like the same. save measure that we're going to be talking about in order to try to steal the vote. What he really is doing is he is just sowing seeds of chaos to distract people from everything that he is doing in terms of what's going on with the First Amendment. We saw that the president of China came. Why would he come at this point? When was last time the president of China has been? All of this is in an effort to thwart the election. And that is exactly what we know he is doing. But this is it. I mean, how many times, like you said, how many Ls are you going to take
09:16 before you get the point that you've lost? That particular map from 2022 is going to be used. It's over. It's a done deal. We're going to see him wreaking havoc in other areas. But this is done. This right here is what they posted.
09:34 And they're like, Matt, they're saying, we told y'all, we told y'all voting already started. We're not going to put in a new map with voting already started. And Y'all just keep trying, you keep trying, you keep trying. And I keep telling folk, Republicans, they're by power. They're going to do all they can.
09:51 And they were hoping that this right-wing Supreme Court was going to back them up. Yeah, I mean, I think the best way to respond to this is Lenny Williams and Tower of Power. Don't change choices in the middle of a stream. I mean, look, you already have mail-in ballots going out. You already have people who are participating in the electoral process. Of course, it is anti-democratic to change that in the middle of the course of the course of that election. But more than that, what's especially important here is we talk all the time, all the time on this show about federalism. And one of the big issues is states control elections.
10:24 So when the Missouri Supreme Court says the map we're going to use is the 22 map because state law requires it, asking the Supreme Court to weigh in is asking the Missouri Supreme Court to not have the authority that the voters in Missouri and that the law in Missouri gives it. And the law in Missouri says, you're supposed to use the 2022 map under the state law. So this is really a matter of Republicans wanting to wield the law as a sword when it benefits them in as a shield, when it benefits them in the other direction. And here, just not being accepting of the fact that the state's highest court, the Supreme Court in Missouri, said that the map that should carry the day is the 22 map. It should be that simple. So what you have is you have petitions for the Supreme Court of the
11:07 United States to stay that ruling. And the Supreme Court of the United States says, No, we're going to follow what the Missouri Supreme Court has said because Missouri state law mandates that the 2022 map be used. It's a pretty simple issue, but it's just a matter of them not wanting to accept. No. We saw officials in Missouri, Michael, just show their ass. I mean, literally said, oh, yeah, we're going to defy the court. What is Missouri Supreme Court said, no, no, no, show your ass up in person and explain why we should I hold you in contempt. This goes to show you how these people respond, how they act.
11:45 They're ruthless. Absolutely. Yeah, they're ruthless. They will fight tooth and nail to maintain power. But they also fear the African-American vote. And this should give us another indication of how important and how valuable our vote is. And, you know, to echo what Matt was saying, when you look at the piece from CNN today, the Supreme Court talked about how the ballot of the map from 2022 had to be used,
12:16 but also they said that absentee ballots have already, absentee voting has already started. Military ballots had already been mailed overseas, but they said if you were to change the map now, it would cause electoral chaos. And this is, electoral chaos is ultimately what Donald Trump wants. They want chaos to then say, oh, well, those ballots are invalid to cause in the question which ballots are valid, which aren't things of this nature. It's the same thing that they're trying to do when they try to claim there's widespread non-citizens voting, which is an absolute lie. They want to create chaos so people aren't sure whether their vote is going to count or not to try to reduce that
13:09 blue tidal wave that's coming for them. Well, well, they did. The Supreme Court, though, did rule that the Trump administration can overhaul a federal immigration database into a vast, centralized database of Americans' personal information to purge voter registrations. Led by Trump's 2025
13:24 anti-voting executive order, at least five of the courts Republican appointed justices lifted a lower court order that found the Department of Homeland Security's modification and use of the systematic alien verification for entitlement system, quote, trampled on the privacy rights of American citizens in a manner that threatens the sacred right to vote.
13:43 The majority's opinion briefly mentioned the possible danger that eligible voters, especially naturalized citizens, could be wrongly removed from the roles. A concern Supreme Court Justice Katate Brown Jackson highlighted in her dissent, quote, in my view, however, the harm caused by burdening or disenfranchising even a few lawful voters outweighs a non-existent harm in the government experiences when it is prevented from taking an action that it likely lacks the authority to take. This imbalance, along with the government's improbable merits, arguments, should have compelled the court to deny the state.
14:18 Jackson wanted the Supreme Court that misused its power in favor of the Trump administration with today's ruling. Duh, that's what they've been doing, Matt, over and over and over again, using this power and using this shadow docket. I mean, not having any hearings, any old arguments are really excited. explaining themselves as to why they're doing it. This Supreme Court, flat out, has been an activist court. Conservatives, loves talking about activist, liberal judges.
14:47 These folks are basically letting Trump do what he wants in most cases. Yeah, and it's a little bit helter-skelter. I'm sorry, I'm not sure if I was on mute. It's a little bit helter-skelter right now because what you're seeing is a mixed bag of rulings. I mean, you start at the top of the show with them making the right decision regarding Missouri, And then you have this, which is, to me, extremely anti-democratic because what it allows the federal government to do is a couple things. One, invade the province of the states, which is the states under the Constitution are the ones that have the authority and the power to run elections, number one. And number two, you allow them to amass all this data.
15:25 And then once people are wrongfully purged, you can't, you know, fix that retroactively for the election. So what's going to happen is with the Supreme Court allowing this, is allowing the Trump administration to populate information, to create chaos, and then to purge people. In fact, in the article I read prior to today, coming on the show today, I think in Utah, there was something like 9,000 people who were accused of being on the voter rolls who were not supposed to be on the voter rolls. When they did further investigation, it was something like 25 or 27 people. So you're talking going from 9,000 accused people to 25 or 27. That is an enormous rate of error, right, margin of error. So if you're allowing that kind of data to be populated and you're allowing people to be wrongfully removed from the roles, then people are divested of their opportunity to participate in the democratic process.
16:17 And you can't kind of recourt that bottle. Once those people are not allowed to vote, they're not allowed to participate. And that could have a measurable effect on the election. So I don't know why the Supreme Court really allowed this, particularly. particularly because we know that across the country there is a wide swath of, quote, Republican states and Democratic states. And we know that the Republican states, including the very one I sit in, my home state of Texas, will find a way to do something nefarious with this data if people are accused of being on the rolls wrongfully. So I don't really see why the Supreme
16:48 Court allowed this. I suspect having not read the opinion, it's something about the executive branch having the right to do this, whatever gobbledy gook they came up with this time. But the crux of it is don't allow them to do this because this is going to allow the states that are inclined to keep people from the process to actually keep them from the process. Candace? Listen, at the end of the day, there is no conflict. There is no conflict to have brought us this far to go to the United States Supreme Court, the highest court of the land, to try to make decision about a database that was supposed to be used for something else. It's like getting your DNA results and all of a sudden your second cousin is picked up for some crime in 1990. That's not what, you know, we thought we were getting when we signed up for such a thing.
17:31 Same here. There's some invasion of privacy issues. There's some things that are going on that just, you know, highlight the fact that we know what Donald Trump is trying to do. Create chaos, disenfranchised people that, you know, as you said, are naturalized citizens, probably that, you know, have the right to vote. And just to make a point that he has the power in order to do this. So this is something that we should just all be aware of. And like Matt said, this is so interesting because it goes directly against a decision that came out. And we were talking about it at the top of the show.
18:06 It just makes no sense. And that in and of itself creates chaos all over. And that's exactly what Trump is doing, not just creating chaos in his own world, but in the United States Supreme Court. And all of it is wrong. Michael? Yeah, Roland, this is more nonsense in the, attempt to inflict chaos as well. And the, when you look at the piece, for instance, from the New York Times, it talked about
18:34 what happened in Nevada. The Department of Homeland Security said there were 185 individuals in Nevada who were who identified as non-citizens who were registered to vote. Okay. Well, Nevada authorities and Secretary of State, they did an investigation. And as the article from New York Times says, each, every last one of those people who registered to vote were U.S. citizens. So the method that this database is using the and it's the save data system, it has a high percentage of error. That's one of the problems.
19:12 And then when you look at the Heritage Foundation, and a lot of people have been citing the research from the Heritage Foundation, a Heritage Foundation database of election fraud cases identify just 23 instances of non-citizen voting between 2003 and 2022. Okay? So non-citizens voting is extremely, extremely rare, and it doesn't make sense to use something like that that's going to disenfranchise U.S. citizens. Well, when your goal is to actually shave votes off, that's exactly what it's all about. All right, folks, we've been reminding y'all.
19:51 of all these voter registration deadlines. I need you to understand, first of all, if you're in Texas, I need you to double check your registration status. You got until October 5th to do so. And so we're going to go through these dates. So October 4th, y'all, if you live in the following states, Alaska,
20:07 Rhode Island and South Carolina, your date is October 4th. October 5th is Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Ohio, Tennessee, and Texas. October 6th, you're Illinois, Nevada, New Mexico. October 7th, Missouri, October 9th, North Carolina, and Oklahoma. October 10th, Delaware.
20:26 October 13th, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, Oregon, West Virginia, District of Columbia. October 14th is Wisconsin. October 16th is Connecticut. October 19th, Alabama, California, Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota. October 20th is Wyoming. 23rd, Idaho, Nebraska, Utah, Virginia. A 24th, Massachusetts, New York. A 26, Hawaii, Colorado, Washington State.
20:49 In New Hampshire, voter registration varies from six to 13 days before election day. Contact your local supervisor's office for the deadline. North Dakota has no voter registration. You need to have a valid ID showing in North Dakota residential address to vote. In Vermont, you can register through Election Day. And so please, folks, remember, those are the voter registration. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it.
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28:47 But the reality is this so-called Protect College Sports Act is going to have a devastating impact on athletes. It's all about helping out the NCAA, the schools, also the networks. And all of these networks
29:03 that are showing college football games, They have put money behind this effort to support this bill. Now, a lot of people thought this would never see the lie today. But the people backing it put lots of money and lots of lobbying time. And so they've now had more than three different votes, more than 70 senators who have voted in support. It's likely going to have a vote on the floor at 5.30 p.m. on Monday. They are probably going to have anywhere from 70 to 74 votes. That means you've got a lot of Democrats supporting this.
29:35 as well. But the question is what happens when it goes to the house? What we have been doing is focusing on, again, looking at the bill and breaking this whole thing down, trying to get people to understand what's actually in the bill and how it is an absolute attack on black wealth creation. Let me say it again. It attacks black wealth creation. It would establish federal rules governing college athletics, including NIL, athlete compensation, for eligibility, health and safety, and conference realignment. You know it doesn't have anything in? It says nothing about the millions of dollars that athletic departments are spending on facilities.
30:19 It says nothing about the millions that college coaches are now getting. One of the folks who was opposed to this, DeMarce Smith, is the author of Turf Wars, the Fight for the Soul of America's Game, former executive director of the National Football League Players Association. Glad to have you back on the show. DeMars, you were engaged in these collective bargaining battles with the NFL, the most profitable sports league. And you know what it's like to deal with Roger Goodell and the owners. This is Congress now getting involved in the NCAA and the conferences and big donors enlisting politicians to do their bidding.
31:04 Explain to people why this is an absolutely awful deal for the people who actually are doing the work, the athletes. Well, look, first of all, thanks for having me on the show. I'm calling you from our National American African African Academy Museum celebrating its 10th anniversary. So I'm calling from here. But Roland, for our listeners, this is the crispest cleanest way I can describe how bad this bill is. This bill will give the NCAA more power over kids than the NBA and the NFL have over adults. Let me say it one more time. This bill will give the NCAA more power over our kids than the NBA and the NFL and all the other leagues have over adults.
32:01 So at the end of the day, for the folks out there listening, and yes, I heard Ted Cruz on game day talking about the crisis of college sport. Let's just level set for one moment. I never heard Ted Cruz or any of these people talking about a crisis in college sport when we found out that Larry Nasser was doing terrible things against college women players. I never heard Ted Cruz talking about a crisis in college sports after Jordan McNair, a local Maryland football player, was dragged off the field by his heels and he died on a Maryland football field. I never heard anybody talking about a crisis in college sport when two years ago we had three coaches who were being paid nearly two. $200 million by their colleges to not coach college football. All of a sudden, there is a crisis in college sport. And any group of people, including the NCAA, who now want to be immune, immune to the laws of the United States, every American should just take a pause and just ask themselves the question, when you want to be immune,
33:31 from the laws of the United States. Shouldn't we pause and ask a really tough question of why? And on that point, the bill has a lot of things in it. And I've talked to former athletes. Go ahead. Yep. I talked a lot of things that are not in it, right? I mean, you and I have talked about this too.
33:55 I mean, obviously there is a line item in this bill that talks about money for inch piece. You and I understand legislation on Capitol Hill. And we know one thing that until the money is actually funded, there is no money for HBCUs. There just simply isn't. And you and I understand why they put a writer in these bills talking about the fact that there might be money
34:24 for college historically black universities. But the largest glaring omission in this, mission in this bill is that there is no funded mandate for HPCUs. Absolutely not. Right. And we've been talking about this. We have reached out to the Third Good Marshall Fund, United Negro College Fund, to have them come on the show and explain why they're supporting this bill. The UNCF has declined. The Third Good Marshall Fund won't even respond to our request. And I've made it clear that if you are an entity that says that you represent black people, then you should be talking to black people when you support something.
35:07 And we've had them on the show on many other issues that they've come on gladly. But it's amazing how they don't want to come on to discuss this very issue. And the same thing, the HBCU commissioners, same thing. And to your point, what this does is, and Senator Chris Murphy was, on Jamel Hill show the other day, and he said it, that what this does is it authorizes Congress to appropriate money. But there is no $1 billion in the bill. It does not mandate that Congress appropriate a billion dollars to help pay for infrastructure and broadband and things along those lines. And so the way I read this bill is HBCUs, black people, are being pimped in this bill
35:58 to gain support so you can have these billionaires keep controlling a system and what this very bill does is it denies the opportunity of top black athletes and we know the money comes
36:14 in football and basketball from being able to accrue generational wealth generational wealth that's what this bill is going to stop well you know it's a simple line, and you and I probably grew up a little bit differently than some folks,
36:32 but I've always believed that, well, if somebody's going to promise you money, how about you make sure it's in cash, right? Why don't you just make sure it's in cash? And this bill authorizes no funded mandate for HBCUs. And look, everyone who watches your show understands your love, my love for HBCUs. And there is a lot that the federal government needs to to do with respect to our historically black colleges. But the one thing they should not be able to do is promise something that they have no obligation to fund. No obligation to fund.
37:12 So when I look at this bill, I look at the people who actually do the work. It is the athletes. This bill restricts them. And most importantly, when you look at the systems that we have developed in this country, over the last nearly 100 years. Everybody understands the name Kurt Flood.
37:35 Everybody should know Oscar Robertson. Everyone, everyone who loves sports should know who John Mackey was. And everyone should understand that all three of those black athletes sued their lead under the antitrust laws to gain some. level of freedom. The NCAA today wants to take away the ability for them to be accountable
38:06 under the exact same laws that made the NFL accountable, the NBA accountable, Major League Baseball accountable under the law. And if we are all sitting around and we all love sport, but if somebody walked up to you and said, hey, I want to be immune from the laws of the United States. That should give everybody pause, especially when we are dealing with a group of people where virtually everybody is under the age of 21 years old.
38:38 As we begin to, again, look at here, the antitrust exemption really jumps out. And what's interesting here is, and again, you have been in these collective bargaining wars.
38:54 But as exactly, The second director of the NFL Players Association, you represent the players, negotiates with the league to come to a CBA. What Congress did was they took this $20 million figure, $20.5 million that was a settlement in a lawsuit and then said, oh, we're going to use that as the revenue cap for this particular bill. That was no collective bargaining. There was no negotiation. And in fact, they didn't even invite. The players had no involvement in this. This bill has been crafted behind closed doors between Republicans and Democrats.
39:38 And it's been with the NCAA, the Big Ten, the SEC, the Big 12. It's been with all these other different people and not the athletes. And it governs the athletes. Right. Yeah. Imagine a world where anyone listening to this wants to stand up to their son or daughter and say, I know you're going to do all the work, but just, you know what, the adults in the room know better than you. We're going to cut you out of the process.
40:07 You won't have a say in this whatsoever, but it will govern every aspect of your life as a college athlete. And one thing you pointed out, Roland, remember, the only reason we are talking about the $20 million, per school anyway, is that what? The NCAA settled an antitrust lawsuit. The only reason we are here is the House settlement, which was the result of a lawsuit brought under the very laws that the NCAA now wants to be immune from. So this is a world where, look, we can save college sport
40:48 and make this really simple. You know what we need in college sport? we need to make sure that if there are a group of athletes who are doing the work, how about we make sure that they have health care? How about we make sure that there is a system so that the college coaches are under the same restrictions and under the same laws that the students are under? Just today in North Carolina, they arrested a person who had been praying on college athletes for years. There is nothing in this bill that establishes a regulatory system that makes
41:31 college athletes safer. So I look at this bill as the former head of the NFL Players Association, where our union was created out of the antitrust laws. And the only thing that has happened with respect to owners sitting down with players is that today, the National Football League generates more revenue than the NBA, the NHL, and Major League Baseball combined. Right? And man, and we cannot wait for our Sunday football. How about we think about a law that fixes all of the problems in college sport, but one that does not give the coaches and the ADs more control over college athletes than frankly Roger Goodell has over adults? This is what I find to be interesting, and I've got to get your thoughts on this.
42:25 This was actually back in ESPN reported this in June. And it said that the NFL, the Major League Baseball, the NFL, the NFL, and the Basketball Player Association tell Congress they back college sports bill. but they also encourage them to have further negotiations in the process. This is obviously September. Is that still the case? Have you talked to any of them? I interviewed Sam Mitchell, former NBA player and a former NBA head coach.
43:08 And he was stunned. He said there's no way in hell the Basketball Player Association should be backing this, limiting the revenue potential for athletes. I, Roland, you're going to have to ask them. I do find it stunning because I do think that the core belief of every labor union should be protecting the interest of the people who do the work. This is a bill that does not protect the interest of the people who do the work. I find it hard to believe that every NFL player has taken a look at this
43:47 and come to the conclusion that this. bill is somehow in the best interest of the very people that are going to be their teammates tomorrow. I have a hard time to leave. So when it comes to the position of the NFLPA, the NBA, the NBA Players Association, you're going to have to ask them because I don't understand that when it comes to a labor union that is sworn to protect the interest of the people who do the work, this is a bill that is entirely inconsistent with the very ethos of a labor union. And let me put one more point to that when it comes to the union that I had the pleasure of running for 15 years. We have two giants when it comes to the NFL Players Association.
44:43 The first giant is a man that I mentioned named John Mackie, who was a tight end who sued the National Football League in 1971 under the antitrust laws in order to get free agency for players that were not yet born. The great Reggie White later on came along and he headed up the class action lawsuit in 1993 that finally, delivered free agency to NFL players. 1993, under the antitrust laws. The only other giant that stands out among those is a man named Bill Radavich, who sued the National Football League in 1945 and took his case to the United States Supreme Court in 195 in order to prove that the NFL owners were subject to the antitrust. laws. The NFL players union does not exist, but for its ability to hold the owners accountable
45:54 under the antitrust laws. So if we have reached a day where this union is now saying that they are for a bill that gives the NCAA immunity under the antitrust laws, Roland, that is is a question that you need to post to them. I'm going to play this soundby. Then I'm going to have questions from my panel. This is Doug Gottlieb, who is a basketball coach that's had a sports show. What this man said is absolutely stunning. And a lot of them is, some are from good, solid people.
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51:53 Still are in place. They still have 20 hours in season, eight hours out of the season. They still have four-year scholarships. So when it says you can only transfer once, first, that hasn't actually been decided yet because I asked Mark few this because he's helping author of the bill.
52:12 What about if the rule goes into effect what about if you've already transferred two or three times? Do you get one more? Does that kind of get? How does that all work? Right? And look, I don't love the five for five. Like, we are going, I'm not supposed to say this,
52:26 but we are going to help Jackson Edwards get that year back because he tore his ACL 30 days after the deadline. He did it a month earlier, he's playing next year. Like, what are we actually doing here for the kid, you know? But the big thing is it does not in any way limit what a kid can make an NIL. In no way. All it does is based at the very top of the food chain, $48 million, which is a crazy amount if you ask anybody in Green Bay, whatever, $48 million.
52:57 That can be split up based upon the revenue that's brought in at the very top level for RevShare. You can split out however you want. You just got to set, I think, five minutes aside for women sports. But just you have so many people that are you trying to bankrupt college athletics because that's what you're going to do. and what's already started to happen is at the very highest level, support staff are losing their jobs. That's what you do first.
53:25 Academic advisors, like, you name it. People that keep the engine running do so many little things for us, not for us, we haven't done it yet, but you're starting, that's the first ones to go, okay? And extra assistant coaches, then that goes. Then the next thing to go is going to be the Olympic sports. and then after the Olympic sports then they'll get to
53:46 probably coaching staffs and you'll start trim then and then they'll get to however many again something's got to go it's just not endless supplies of money and anybody who thinks Eric go look at the books plus I understand that there was a facilities war previously now everybody has to pay debt
54:03 service on those facilities like they just don't have upkeep on their own so all this does and I don't agree with I'm not a I wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz if I lived in Texas. But like we're sitting here and making it about Ted Cruz or about who's presenting it. Just college sports is the best.
54:21 It's the best thing possible. It is not designed for a player to go to five schools in five years. That's not good for the player. That's not good for the sport. That's not good for anybody. Because when you get done playing, you have to have the support of wherever you're all modders. Where's your own moders are going to five in five years? We have to limit the unadultered movement.
54:42 And it doesn't mean that you can't leave. Again, read it because it says if your coach leaves, it doesn't count you can leave. And otherwise, you get one. I'm going to go back to this here because he's going to say something I think speaks volume. I say, keep the audio up, please. I need to hear it. So I want to try to understand. He just sat here and said, oh, dead service, and we're going to be cutting support staff.
55:12 And oh my God, I mean, look at all the things that we're losing because of this. There's no endless supply of money. And this is just not going to work. We're killing this here. In a moment, he's about to say something about the coaches. And down they're like, oh, my God, look at all the money that the players are making. And, oh, they shouldn't go to the market every year. Right now, plate, go to it.
55:41 That's fine. But what you'll find out is coaches' salaries, one, coaches are way more important than players, because they just do more. And they don't, coaches don't leave every year, the way that players leave every year. Okay, go back and track it. You're talking about a handful of coaches in the entire country that switch jobs. Right there, DeMaris. He said, coaches are more important than players.
56:09 His basketball team sucks. if you look at their record if Doug he had to quit his podcast to focus on coaching dude if you had better players you're going to have more wins so coaches are now more important
56:25 than players oh so that's why we should pay Kirby Smart $13 million $1,000 Kirby Smart by himself is earning two thirds of the total
56:38 NIL pool for all athletes elites. Yeah. I look, Roland, I look at this and maybe I'm a little old school. I always thought that colleges were about getting an education. And perhaps the students who go to these universities who are trading their athletic talents for tuition are supposed to get an education. I've never heard anyone take the position in college sports that the most important person in a college sport ecosystem is the coach.
57:26 But there you have it. There you have it. Last question for I go to my panel. We discussed this when you were here about your book. And this really is the crux. This is the answer to all of this. What has happened to Mars is that in this society, fans have believed that our school, our team, it's our school, our team. And what people say is that player should not be getting $20 million a year to play a game.
58:10 But they say nothing about the owner who's a billion. These are the same people who will defend the building of a two or three billion dollar stadium, paid for by taxpayers. They'll defend the university spending $500 million on a stadium upgrade, but then say, player, no, no, you shouldn't make any money. That is what we're dealing with. And the same people will demand they should get to make as much money on their job. on their job. Look, where we are right now is there is this belief that among some, and I have to believe not among everyone,
59:03 but there is this belief that has crept into this that these students are here for my entertainment consumption. And as a former head of the union, I understand that completely because sometimes that's exactly the way the players think themselves. That is not why college sports was created. College sports was created to enhance the college experience of college students. If we have gotten to a point where that is such a bastardized version of its original intent,
59:46 let's just say it. if I looked at what that coach said and I listened to everything he said, if he simply wants to come out and say, you know what, I don't care about whether they get an education or not, I am here to maximize the entertainment of the people who want us to put on college basketball. If you want to say that, please just say that. because if you say that, that will then lead us to the next part of the conversation where you will say, if all of these people are here for someone else's entertainment, what should they all be paid? And if they're going to be paid X amount, should they have the opportunity to go to another place that might pay them more for the same entertainment that they are delivering here? but they don't want to say that. They don't want to say that we are in an entertainment facilitation enterprise.
01:00:52 Because once you get there, we are all okay with an entertainer making a decision of, I might get more money if I play in another theater, or I might get more money if I play in another venue, or the coach can get more money if he goes to a bigger school. what none of them want to say is this is just entertainment. No, they can't say that. So instead, they have to create a fake system where they say, look, everything is fine here. We just need to control it a little more.
01:01:31 We need to be able to tell the people who are doing the work, you're going to stay right here. You're going to tell the person who does the work that we're going to cap the amount of money that you can make. Well, I will tell you one thing, Roland. I don't see anything in this bill that caps player, I'm sorry, coaches' salaries. In fact, Senator Cory Booker, Senator Chris Murphy offered an amendment to cap coaches' salary at $5 million and it didn't go anywhere. And people on social media said, well, this is unfair because coaches, they work so hard.
01:02:04 By the way, if it's all about the coaches, go to my iPad, Doug Gottlieb, his race. record in two years at Green Bay is 22 and 43. He finished two and 18 last year in his conference. Dude, if it's about to coaches, you suck. Question from the panel, Michael. All right. One of the questions I had was dealing with understanding the revenue sharing. I was reading the article from the athletic, and it said that this bill would increase the revenue sharing cap from roughly 20 million annually per school to nearly 50 million. with newly established buckets of money for player retention and non-revenue sports. So can you talk, I know you talked about it a little bit,
01:02:48 but for people that don't follow the machinations of sports, talk about what this would do for revenue sharing. And then is when they talk about the, for player retention, more money for player retention. Is that a smokescreen? Because I know overall this bill is not going to help players' earnings. Right. Let me do the last thing first. When they say player retention, I don't know what that means. It limits the ability of an athlete to transfer schools.
01:03:24 So if you are thinking about player retention and this bill enhances player retention, it just has told your son and your daughter that if for whatever reason that school isn't working out for them, right? they've got one move. Right. So turning to the issue of revenue sharing, here's where everybody makes a mistake about revenue sharing. Everybody starts talking about what the number is instead of focusing on what the percentages.
01:03:59 Are you with me? Yeah. If you think about the NFL, the NBA, MLB, and the National Hockey League, roughly, roughly, all of the athletes in those four systems get 50% of all of the revenue that's generated in their sport. Hockey's a little bit lower than the others. But for the most part, basketball, baseball, and football's the highest, are getting 50 cents on every dollar of revenue that's generated. So my question is with this bill, instead of thinking about whether it goes from 20 to 30 or 30 to 40 or 40 to 50, is there anything in this bill that says the people who are doing the work
01:04:46 get 50 cents on every dollar that they're generating? No. No. Right. Right. So now we have a world. We have a group of kids who have to suffer under more control than any commissioner of any major sport has over a group of adults and they're earning a smaller percentage of the revenue. And before I go to Candace, let me also add on that revenue point because y'all battle with this here. The owners tried to play y'all. They want to limit the revenue y'all could tap. The problem here is when you say the revenue, to your point, where's it coming from? So it then because, what, ticket sales, TV contracts, licenses, all the sort of stuff like that. That's what they tried to do.
01:05:38 They try to play y'all, and the players are like, y'all, like, no, no, no, no, nah. Y'all not going to create these other pools of revenue that we can't tap into. No. I mean, Roland, that is such a great point. And again, it's something that people wouldn't know unless you're living in the weeds of collective bargaining
01:05:57 like I unfortunately had to. Everybody should understand that every year when I was the executive director of the NFL Players Association, we audit every. amount of revenue to the dollar. Audit. Our own audit teams are crawling through the Dallas Cowboys. Our audit teams are crawling through the Carolina Panthers, crawling through every dollar. Why? Because contractually, we are entitled to 50% of the revenue. Once again, in this bill, what right does this bill give to any group of athletes,
01:06:38 to crawl through and audit every dollar of revenue. Nothing. Nothing. Candice. Well, listen, we certainly know that the players are more important than the coaches because that's how they were able to wield all the power, go to the transfer portal, and be wooed by people knowing that they are wanted by other teams.
01:07:06 So there's that. We know that they're more important. We know that there's been a huge power shift, right, in the dynamics in terms of how much they're making, coaches don't like that dynamic at all. That is bothersome and cumbersome to them. I'm wondering, in all of this behind the scenes, you are obviously close to the pulse of everything.
01:07:27 What has been an ideal plan for how to actually deal with this and the entertainment, the money, the power dynamic, you know, making sure that the students do stay on a team and form a relationship and learn a playbook that sometimes takes years to learn. You can't learn a playbook if you leave every year. So what is an ideal plan or what have you heard or have come up with yourself that, you know what? Maybe this might work because when they were granted their NIL rights in 2021 by the U.S. Supreme Court,
01:08:00 there was no plan. And that's why we are in the middle of the same. So, yeah, so what are you, have you heard ideas? Oh, no. Well, of course not. The NCAA predates professional sports. I mean, if you look back to the history and you engage in the forensics of big-time sports in America, it is literally not until, except for baseball, it is literally not until the
01:08:31 1940s, 50, 60s, where football, the NFL, the NBA, and others come close to taking on college sport. What has happened over all of those nearly hundreds of years is the NCAA has never put forward a plan to make sure that we are in a world where athletes are getting a good education. NCAA has never put forward a comprehensive plan to make sure, how do we make sure that these kids have the best college experience? To your point, the only thing that has happened over the last 30 years is the NCAA has fought their control all the way to the Supreme Court over the last 30 years and lost every case in front of the Supreme Court 9 to 0. And just as an aside, what kind of entity in America can do something that is so against
01:09:33 the law of the United States that all nine justices of this? this Supreme Court agree over and over again. So no, I have not seen any plan by the NCAA to try to make college support great for the fan, great for the student, great for the entity or the institution. Instead, the only thing that they have done over the last 30 years is try to maintain their illegal antitrust power. over the athletes. And to your point, when the Supreme Court finally said
01:10:13 for the last time, you lose nine to zero. What did the NCAA do? They threw their hands up and said, well, now we're in the wild west. And do you know if you have to ask me what I really think they were doing? Through their hands up. And they said to themselves, let's let everything
01:10:33 get as crazy as possible. And then we are going to put forward, the Make College Sports Great Again Act. And then we're going to come in and then we're going to say that, yes, we are the people who mess this entire system up. But now, give us an antitrust exemption and we'll make it all better. That doesn't sound like anything that would make sense to anybody who would want to exercise one modicum of common sense. And for the non-lawyers out there, the anti-trust exemption means we can't be sued. Matt
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01:16:23 Go ahead. Well, yeah, they were slow. So my question is a little off the beaten path, but here's follow me, if you will. So I think you kind of alluded to this, but I'd like to see kind of what your psychological thought is or your thought is the psychological underpinnings of both support and opposition to this bill in terms of the context of this being. framed as labor rights because that's exactly what I said last week. I think this is a labor issue and the college athletes not having, you know, their labor rights being considered. So to that end,
01:16:51 my question to you is, what do you think about the larger labor conversations we're having in society? For instance, Amazon drivers across the country trying to be recognized as unions right in front of the NLRB and some of the opposition to that. How much of that do you think is kind of bleeding into the congressional look at this and also just the general public. And before you answer, I know you talked about the student athlete dichotomy and whether that's really true and kind of the BS behind that. But how much of that is driving people's inability to look at these as these athletes as revenue generators who should be able to own their own destiny and go out just like I am as a lawyer. If I want to go to another firm tomorrow that pays me more, I leave.
01:17:34 Right. Like that's an easy concept for people to understand. But it doesn't seem to be. engrafted on this conversation. I'd love your thoughts about that. Yeah, look, and that's really an insightful thought. And let me start with where you ended. The first problem in this entire conversation is almost no one knows where the term student athlete came from. So let me give you the 30 seconds of where the term student athlete came from. Easy. There was a young man. Demaris, Matt, and Candace. Lawyers. Go ahead, DeMars. here we go. Young man named Ray Denison played for the Fort A&M team in the Colorado. He takes the opening kickoff of the year. He makes it three quarters up the way of the field, trips over
01:18:21 his own player, hits his head. Ray Denison dies on a football field, dies in 1955. He leaves a wife and three kids. The wife and the three kids get survivor benefits. under state workers' comp laws because, again, Rayton is in exchange for tuition at his college. The precursor of the NCAA rides into town, and they now over the workers' comp benefits that they've received. Why? Because the model for intercollegiate athletics is, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
01:19:08 we'll put these games on, but we cannot be responsible for things like health care, and we certainly cannot be responsible for things like death benefits. But the argument to the court in Colorado had a problem. Ray Denison can't be a student because if a student is doing something that is sanctioned by the university, and he or she gets hurt, you and I as lawyers both know respondeat superior, what? The university is like, right? Ray Denison cannot be a worker. Can't be a worker because if he's a worker,
01:19:43 he's going to get workers' comp benefits just like every worker. So for the first time in history, the precursor to the NCAA argues that Ray Denison is not a student, Ray Denison is not a worker, Ray Denison is a thing called a student-hyphen athlete. And they convinced the court to take those benefits away from the wire and away from the three kids. And every year that a student sues the NCAA for injuries for health care,
01:20:17 they cite this case that you are a student hyphen athlete. So you know how we know that's true? Walter Byers, who was the first executive director of the NCAA, wrote a book, and in his book, he tells everyone that they made up this term student athlete to control the athletes who are doing the work. So I tell that story because I was a student athlete. When I got to college and they told me I was a student athlete, you couldn't tell me anything. I was strutting around campus like I owned the place.
01:20:57 if you are a student athlete, you are worse off under the law than every student you are sitting next to in your class. That's the fact. So the reason I tell that story is you are absolutely right. The public has been conditioned that these student athletes are special. These student athletes live in rarefied air. These student athletes are getting things that other students don't get. And if you are able to convince people of that myth, you are okay with what, limiting their ability to transfer to another school. You're okay with the fact that it's hard for them to juggle things like school against the work they're doing on the field.
01:21:44 So when you think about the larger labor movement, this is the way that it creeps in. It's okay if you and I are lawyers are able to shop our wares against two or three firms and against the high. bitter. But the only way you can be okay with a kid not doing that is if you believe that they are something else other than a student. So when we think about this bill and you look about the statements of coaches or the statements of administrators, look at how many times they use the term student athlete. They never say kids. They never say our children. And when it comes to the broader labor issue, we got rid of child labor in the 1930s and the 1940s in America. Why are we supporting a bill that gives the NCAA more power over child laborer than Roger
01:22:39 Gadil as over adults? It's likely going to pass the Senate. It's not, look, it will go to the House, not sure what happens there. Last point, and I know you've got to get to the event, please tell Lonnie bunch and everyone I said hello. I will. I will. I will. I just saw him. What? What? What must we be doing? It's going to pass the Senate on Monday. This can be stopped in the house. What must we be doing?
01:23:04 What must former retired players, current professional players, current college players, what must be happening right now? For the athletes who care, and I do believe there's athletes who care, it's time for everybody who cares to get into the game. For years, when I was at the NFLPA, I used to talk to our players about, you are not gladiators because the gladiator in ancient Rome was less human than the fans sitting in the stands. For the athletes who care, it is time for them to get into this game because the unions that protect you as professionals and your employees, all of that was predicated on holding the owners accountable under the law.
01:23:50 no athlete who cares about a young man or a young woman doing exactly the same thing that they did while they were in college, no self-respecting athlete should be supporting a bill that ensures that those college students are going to be treated worse than you were. So I think the athletes need to get in the game with all due respect to those entities that are supporting this bill because of the supposed money that is there for the HBCUs. If they want to add a writer to this bill that means that there is going to be a funded mandate for millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that are going to be funded for HBCUs, we might have a different conversation. but for the people in the house who believe in the sanctity of work, and you and I understand line from Dr. King that all labor has dignity. All labor has dignity. If we truly believe that,
01:24:55 let's make sure that we vote against this bill and give some dignity to the college athletes who are actually doing the work. DeMarst Smith, y'all get his book. It is Turf Wars, the fight for the soul. of America's game is a fascinating read. And if you want to understand this inside perspective on labor battles, billions of dollars in money for sports, you will learn a lot reading that book. Thomas, I appreciate it.
01:25:24 Thanks a lot. Any time, brother. Thank you panelists. Folks, the book that he referenced regarding Walter Bowers, Walter Bowers ran the NCAA. It's called unsportsman-like conduct exploiting college athletes. You want to check that out as well. All right, folks. George Rogers in 1980 won the Hosman Trophy as a running back of the University of South Carolina.
01:25:46 I caught it with him on Monday, the Alice English Celebrity Golf Classic. We've talked about this bill and athletes getting paid and a bunch of the stuff. I want to check this conversation out. All right, George, I've been talking to folks about this so-called Protect College Sports Act. And the thing that hurts me the most about this bill is capping the amount. is Congress deciding how much money, the total amount of money should be for players. And the problem that I have is, wait a minute, you don't cap coaches money. Why should there be a cap on what the players make when this is a multi-billion dollar system
01:26:29 where the schools, the NCAA, the networks, they're all getting paid. But we should cap the players. your thoughts? That's a hard one. I mean, you know, being that they ain't supposed to give the players money when they come anyway. They ain't supposed to do that. That's illegal to do that. I wouldn't mind seeing them doing something because they ain't done it in it so long. You know, football players, they ain't coming from the rich family anyway. They come to school to get an education. And that's, that's hard in itself. Besides the work that you got to do, do to play football.
01:27:08 Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, if people really understand the schedule of college football players, yes. They got to understand. Education is not the top priority. Exactly. It's not easy. And they don't give it to you.
01:27:23 You got to earn it. Trust me, I know. Because I had to go through it. And it took me five years, almost six years to even get my degree. So football's not easy. And then you got to go to school. And on top of that, school's not easy. And you got the, and you got the eligible to play,
01:27:40 and have the grades to play the goal, to play football. And that's a whole lot. For a student, you wouldn't know. Here's the thing that jumps out at me. So you go to University of South Carolina, you win the House of the trophy. If you were coming out of high school today, every school like it was,
01:28:02 they would be knocking on your door. This time, though, they would be coming to the table Sam, George, three, four, five, six, ten million dollars. Now, here's the way I look at it. This is what Ralph Sampson said.
01:28:18 Ralphs Sampson said, they estimate that if there was NIL during my period, he said, I would be getting $10 million a year. He's stayed for four years. That's $40 million. My whole deal is, there's no guarantee a player's going to go to the NFL. No, no, no, because you might be heard.
01:28:34 If a player has the ability, to get four, five, six, seven, eight million dollars a year in college, then why should Congress be saying well, no, no, no, no, we're going to cap a total amount. So now what's going to happen? If a George Rogers comes out,
01:28:50 it's going to be like, yeah, George, though, it was unlimited money. We can give you $10 million, but now we've got a cap, so we can only give you three. Wait a minute. But ain't no cap on how much money they can make. Exactly.
01:29:05 That's, I don't get it. I don't get it either. I don't get it. I don't get it. And I feel the same way you do. But you know what you're talking about it? You ain't going to get it then either. That ain't going to make it even harder. Right. And that's why I think that, listen, there are some things in the bill that I think, look, I believe capping agents fees. That's important. There's some other elements as well. But that's all window dressing. The real thing in this bill is too. things. It's capital money for players and is giving the NCAA antitrust. And the problem for that is that says, we're going to give you immunity so you can't get sued over these issues. And again, that's protecting the schools. And in all of these hearings, they haven't actually had the players who most impacted, which is really football, basketball players. And for me, that's a lot of black kids. And there are a lot of black kids right now who are building generational wealth because of their
01:30:06 athletic exploits and I'm sorry I want them brothers and sisters make as much money as can right now you got you I mean if they don't get it it ain't nobody fault with them if they don't get it if they listen to what you're saying if I'm listening to you I'm listening to you I'm getting mine and that's where they should get it that's you got to get it the best way you can right and because and then listen you mean you you dealt with the show pros injuries I think about Marcus Dupree, that horrific knee injury he had. I think about, what's the kid, Lattermore? Latimore, yeah.
01:30:46 Okay, he blew out both knees at South Carolina. The reality is he didn't make it. He was pretty, oh, he was going to be a huge star. And so what ends up happening? Breaking my records and all. Latimore, heck of a right, back. Right. But what happened?
01:31:03 He gets injured. That impacts his. earnings on the pro level he only played a good I don't think he played a year right so that's a perfect example here's a guy who in this NIL era could have made 10 12 15 20 million blows his knees out doesn't go pro but he was able to get generation of wealth in college that's right I mean that's I mean that's good for him because you know if you didn't go one way It went the other way. He got his degree. That helped for some reason.
01:31:39 He got his degree. He got money by playing college football. If he saved that money, he invest that money. But my whole deal is if you cap it, now you're limiting his earning potential. But they don't cap a single coach. At all. At all. And if they want to cap somebody, that's who they didn't know because they all go. So they got for riches.
01:32:09 But also in the bill, a play. And listen, I understand. understand, oh, man, it's just too much movement going on. Right. But I'm sorry. There's literally no, there's no limit on when the coach can leave. No, no doubt, because if they want to go, they're going to go. And here's the other people focus on the head coaches.
01:32:28 They don't realize those other coaches, they hop to school to school to school. Because to your point, they're trying to go up that ladder. And that's the only way you can get there, too. Other than, you know, people like Beamer and some of them other guys, you know, what was the Clemson coach name? I forget what the name. But anyway, those guys were proven coaches. Right.
01:32:49 They got you at different levels. And we can get out there and play with the other guys. Right. And that's how you, that's how you, and that's, that's going to one with my coaches right there. Right. And those are good guys, man. The good guys. They're good guys.
01:33:07 What I really hope is I hope the former players speak out against this bill. I hope current pro players talk about it as well. I just fundamentally believe that Congress should not be involved in a law that's capping the amount of money that players can make. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate it. I hope we can do it, man. Look at my man.
01:33:29 All right. You know it. I appreciate it. So, folks, we've had this week, George Rogers, Ralph Samson, Nancy Lieberman, Sam Mitchell, all talking about this. And so it's a real issue. And it impacts the economics of our community. We're going to keep covering this story.
01:33:46 and keep calling it out and telling you exactly what's in the bill because when you see these commercials, when you watch college football games tonight, tomorrow, and next week, you're going to see a whole bunch of people lying and making it sound like, oh, this is a fantastic, wonderful bill for athletes. No, it's not. We come back. The Trump Department of Justice continued their attack of the war in Black America
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01:41:29 Let's talk about who's really cashing in. Nick Saban left out. He retired from Alabama, making 10, 9, 10 million a year. Nick Sabin owns two Mercedes dealerships in Alabama, off the labor of the players. And it gets worse. This particular bill pimps. HBCU. They call it protection.
01:41:52 Putting these black athletes back on the field as sharecroppers and not as revenue participants. It's exploitation. This is unfair. This is unjust. This is wrong. We ain't heard no cap on playing coaches. None. In this bill,
01:42:09 zero. HBCUs are talking in this process. These schools and the federal government have neglected HBCUs for decades. I'm very clear. on this field. HBCUs are getting pimped in place. Tell Congress, vote no on the Protect College Sports Act.
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01:43:13 You just keep on, keeping on, son. I love you. I heard me say numerous times this Trump administration is trying to attack every facet of black America. Here's the latest. The Department of Justice have dismissed three decades old desegregation cases across the South as part of a federal effort to end court oversight of local school systems. Attorney General of the Civil Rights Division, Harmeet Dillon, posted this video explaining why the cases have ended. Hello, I'm Harmeet Dillon.
01:44:10 And when I arrived with the Department of Justice in April of last year, I was astounded to learn that they were over 150 active school desegregation cases still pending with the Civil Rights Division since the 1960s and 70s. Now, these cases across the country cost school districts thousands of dollars in the United States. thousands of dollars every year each that could otherwise be used directly for the kids in school, not on lawyers' fees and bureaucrats. I tasked Senior Counsel Peter Feynman to review every one of these actions on a case-by-case basis to see if we could end some of these 50- and 60-year-old relics of the past and return control of school boards and school systems to parents, teachers, and locally elected officials.
01:44:56 Now here's a map showing the South-Eastern part of the United States. United States, where most of these cases were and still are pending. Everything you see in red were school districts that had hiring, bus routes, sports, and other extracurricular activities still being controlled by the federal government after 60 years. Watch as these various school districts turn from red to green, indicating that the lawsuits hanging over them have now been dismissed as a direct result of my office's efforts. We're gratified that these school districts are not.
01:45:29 longer burdened with the costs associated with compliance with a consent decree entered decades ago. America is not the same country today as it was 60 years ago, and I'm so glad that we can claim victory over segregation in so many American school districts. I want to thank the hardworking attorneys and staff of the Educational Opportunities section of the Civil Rights Division whose incredible diligence and hard work have made these milestones possible. Now, we will not stop until the law catches up with reality, which is that America has defeated the stain of segregation in our schools. Well, that's actually a lie.
01:46:09 Canis, it's a lie. The reality is a lot of these school districts are still dealing with the issue of segregation. And as a direct result of that, we know that when there are segregated schools, just as a matter of fact, the schools are lesser because of the way that the society and culture is set up. Now, when they said with all deliberate speed, desegregate these schools, we are still in that process, believe it or not. And we know that because of the way that the education system is set up, because of the way that it's so hard to get in charter schools, it's hard to live in New York City and figure out a school without having to pay $50,000 for a school that works for you. It is hard to get a good education because education
01:46:56 is largely and wholly dependent upon where you live. And if you can't afford, you know, get that mortgage at that bank to say yes or no or say yes to you and get you into that right district, well, then your education is going to be lesser. So education is as much as about housing as housing is about education and look at the housing system. It is broken. It is cracked.
01:47:19 White folks can't afford the seven whatever percent interest rate that we are at now. It is hard to get into a neighbor. that will allow you to go to a good public school. We are still segregated because of all the systems that are in place that just don't work for us. All the dots connect. The thing here, Matt, we saw this with the Voting Rights Act. The moment Shelby v. Holder decision came down. These southern states begin to change their voting rules.
01:47:50 Don't be surprised by no longer having federal government oversight when you see these districts start to say, We don't have to comply with the federal government's oversight. We can do what the hell we want to do. Right. I think that exact movement is coming. And I think this kind of really shows two things that I see pretty saliently here. The first is at a 10,000 foot level, this is why it's so important for the DOJ to be independent of the president. The DOJ cannot be the president's law firm.
01:48:21 And what DOJ has been in both Trump administrations and more particularly in the second administration, is Trump's law firm, right? Go after what are my policy points and find a way to make the DOJ activity be consonant with that. And the reason that's so important is the reason DOJ through all these successive presidents between the late 1950s or mid-1950s and now has monitored these consent decrees is because the public good is served by having desegregated schools and or by having the DOJ basically hold these school districts to account under the law. But once the DOJ becomes a political tool as brazenly as it has been used now, then you're just doing the president's bidding.
01:49:08 So, I mean, even Dylan comes on and says, oh, I tasked this person with looking at them on a case-by-case basis. But you and I both know what almost certainly happened is that person was tasked with find a way to get rid of all of these consent decrees because the president doesn't want us to be doing anything that looks like we're supporting black people. people or in any way admitting that racism has been one of the primary stains on this country's tapestry since the beginning of its founding, right? So that's what we're looking at, number one. The other thought, though, that doesn't make any sense to me is why this administration continues to choose the most abhorrent way to go about trying to put forward its policy. What they should have
01:49:50 done here, if they really wanted to try to convince people that these consent decrees were not necessary to be monitored anymore would be to do exactly what DeMora Smith was talking about earlier. Audit every one of these school districts come up with data. It'll probably be corrupted data, but come up with data that says these school districts are fundamentally less segregated than they were when these consent degrees were put into place. Here's why they no longer need to be monitored. Here's the amount of money each school district on average is spending and defending or being an adherence with these consent decrees. And then you could at least have an argument that maybe they're not necessary to be monitored anymore.
01:50:28 But that isn't what we see. What we see instead is we're going to do what is necessary and conformity with our political stance, which is anything that's DEI adjacent is the spawn of Satan, and therefore we're going to get rid of all of these consent decrees on Moss, even if the genesis for those consent decrees is still there. And I think that's a testament to how this administration
01:50:48 is doing its politics and a testament to the bastardization of the DOJ and it become the president's law firm. Real simple here, Michael, DOJ was created 1870 to deal with civil rights. That was the point of it. In fact, if you go to, look at this, this is their website, values to what Matt just said,
01:51:10 independence and impartiality, ain't happening. Honesty, integrity, damn sure not happening. Respect, sure as hell not happening. Excellence, not happening. What these Republicans, These MAG up people love talking about the DOJ being weaponized under Biden. No, these people are truly weaponizing the DOJ and they're targeting black people.
01:51:34 Absolutely, Roland. And point number one in my notes right here for my response was the Justice Department's founded in 1870 for black people. And the first thing that they did, the first attorney general under the Department of Justice was Amos T. Ackerman. he started cracking down on the Ku Klutz Klan and prosecuting Klan's members. Okay. So it was largely founded to enforce the new rights of African Americans. Now, what's taking place right now was predicted back in April of 2024 in an article
01:52:05 from axios.com that talked about how in a second Trump administration, they would focus on anti-civil rights policies, and they will focus on enforcing the rights of white people and not enforcing the rights of African Americans and non-white people. So you see nearly 80% of these cases that they dismissed were in five states, five southern states, five former Confederate states, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Also, this tracks along with why they want to destroy the Department of Education. I understand this is the Department of Justice and Harmie Dillon, the Civil Rights Division. But when you look at why they want to destroy the Department of Education, the Department of Education was created in 1979 by Congress, signing the law by Jimmy Carter.
01:53:02 And largely, one of the main reasons why it was created was to enforce civil rights of students. This was post-desegregation, okay? And if people do research at the Heritage Foundation's website, they have articles. they're talk about this. I've done the research. So this is one of the reasons why they want to destroy the Department of Education as well. So these are the consequences of elections. We tried to tell people, but people were more concerned about what percentage of blackness Kamala Harris didn't have or did have as opposed to stopping the threat. I have said to people, when you completely erode the entire infrastructure that got us to this
01:53:45 point, you have no idea how long it's going to take us. to get back to that point. And that's what this is all about. And so we're going to keep telling y'all this stuff. We're going to keep laying it out to you. You're going to keep sitting here and you can have these other people say, oh, these things don't matter. But trust me, it matters if you have a special needs child. It matters when it comes to school discipline. It matters when it comes to who is being arrested. I can go on and on and on. And so for all y'all people out here who say that elections don't matter and my vote don't count, this is what happens when you do not vote.
01:54:19 Those who get control, those who are in power, they get to do things such as this. All right, folks, let's talk about power. We saw this happen in Georgia. Two weeks ago, the Stockbridge, Georgia City Council, voted to remove the city's youngest mayor in history from his position, less than a year after taking office. After a nearly 10-hour hearing
01:54:40 into allegations involving city spending, his treatment of employees, and communications with an 18-year-old high school student, Jayton Williams, who was 22 when he took office in January, is no longer leaving the city of about 37,000 folks. Jayton is an attorney, Robert Kenner, join us right now. I'm glad to have both of you here. Jaden, first of all, when it comes to the allegations made against you,
01:55:07 I've seen other podcasts you've been talking, you've done other interviews as well, where do you believe the city council was wrong in removing you from office? and what also did you do or admit to doing in the allegations they raised against you? Let me say, first of all, thank you, Roland, for having me. The number one thing for me that I believe that the city could say that I did wrong, that I take full accountability on and have taken it since day one when I saw the incident
01:55:39 was the personal expenses that I accidentally did with the incident of having the same card as the same color card as my city's card. Once I found that out, I immediately paid it back and gave it immediately back to the city through an invoice. Any of the other allegations have nothing to do, in my opinion, with the work that I've done in my office and the work that I've done as the mayor of the city. Some also talk about the misconduct in regards to my interactions with staff. There were a few HR complaints at which if you watch the hearing,
01:56:12 they seem personal insolacious at this point to where they don't feel. that I'm allowing them to do their job when I simply request simple information. And so to me, I feel like the council and the city was wrong on a few portions and a majority of the portions of what was given to me. So the question then becomes, how do you respond? Is it your goal to get your job back? What is it? What's your legal strategy or your legal future, Robert?
01:56:41 Well, again, Roland, thanks for having this as well. I think at this point, the mayor and I are reviewing options, and we will make a determination later on very soon, I might add, whether we're going to appeal. There is an appeal process. We have 30 days from the day that they ousted the mayor to file an appeal. But we are looking at all other options as well, and will we make a determination on that soon. Jayton, are you, listen, you ran once, are you considering running for office again when the election comes around? I haven't made the decision just to be quite frank with you, but I will say when I first decided to run at the age of 2020, I was a senior in college.
01:57:32 I wasn't really focused on what I can do of my personal attributions in politics. I was focused on what the community expected and what they wanted. I heard the needs of my residents being a resident now of Stockbridge for over 20 years. And I just wanted to serve my community. So I haven't made that decision just yet. But I will say it's probably not scratched out. They accuse you of communicating explicit text with an 18-year-old. Did that happen while you were mayor before you were mayor?
01:58:01 And were the allegations correct? Or you're saying that they also are lying about that? I'm going to say, I want to say they tried to allure that I had this interaction while I was serving as mayor, and that simply was not the case. This happened before I was mayor and ended before I was mayor as well, before I took the oath. From my understanding what the city is trying to say is that the interaction has prolonged and taken oath and taken along most of the things that we've done in the city, and that's just not the case. This individual has not been to the city, been to events with me. they've never connected or interacted with myself in this capacity. So I'm not sure what the city was trying to allude to in that portion, but it was before the
01:58:46 election or after the election before I took the oath. And I have no idea where the city is trying to allude, but I can tell you that portion is incorrect. Question from our panel. Matt, you first. Yeah, so it's really timely that we're having this conversation. I live in Corpus Christi, Texas. And like two weeks ago, we just had a mayoral removal hearing that went on for a couple weeks. She was retained, she was punished, but the reason I mentioned that to you is the kind of conversation in the community was that this was allowed under our city code of ordinances.
01:59:20 So it's my understanding that this is allowed under the city charter. And what I'd like you to just kind of elucidate for me is the procedural part of that. I understand there was an impeachment and I know that you can appeal to Henry County. But how does that process work? Did the council just kind of get together and decide to put forth articles? You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello.
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01:59:56 It's the same hosts and the same chemistry with all the hilarious moments you've been missing right on your screen. Cheers. Open the free IHRRA radio app. Search video podcasts and tap watch. The WNBA playoffs are about to begin. The talent is insane and the personalities are giving main character energy.
02:00:15 And of course, the fans love it. But 30 years ago, when the league first started, it was a different story. I remember sitting with a couple of male writers all whining about, oh, what are they going to do if they break a nail? No one's going to show up. But from the very beginning, there were two teams that captured everyone's attention. The comments were to real deal. I mean, come on. The Liberty never gave up.
02:00:37 They never stopped fighting. I knew that rivalry was going to be amazing from the beginning. I'm Kerry Champion, and this is biggest rivalries of all time, season two. The New York Liberty versus the Houston Commons, the very first rivalry of the WNBA. They picked us to finish last, and they picked them to finish first. That's all you need to know. I remember looking around thinking, this is going to change things. Basketball was going to have this fundamental impact on the way people viewed women athletes.
02:01:07 Listen to biggest rivalries of all time on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Is there bad blood between you in the comments as you guys meet again in the championship? Oh, we're coming back to win. Hey, everybody. I'm Chuck Bryan at the Stuff You Should Know podcast.
02:01:31 And I'm Adam Pranica of the greatest generation and greatest Trek. We decided to start a golf comedy podcast because we're both big golf lovers and we wanted to spread that joy, and it's called three-putt bogey. It's coming from the perspective of golfers who are sometimes good enough to hit two great shots in a row, but almost never good enough to hit three, and a three-putt bogey is kind of the purest expression of that.
02:01:54 Every golfer knows what that's like. Obviously, we're going to talk a lot about the game of golf, how absurd it is and how fun it is, and how vexing and frustrating. But more than anything, just how much we love the greatest game in the world. We love it anyway. We're putting these out every Friday morning,
02:02:09 for your weekend golf routine. This is a show about sharing our experiences on the golf course and how absurd and funny they can be. And that's what Three Putt Bogie is. It's Three Put Boge, everybody, out every Friday. You can listen to it now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Whether you're stepping up to the starting line of a marathon
02:02:29 or just trying to take the first step toward a big, scary goal, the conversation in your head is usually the same. Do I have what it takes? I'm Emily Abadi, and on Hurdle with Emily body, we dive into the grit, vulnerability, and mindset that fuels our greatest comebacks. I talk to elite athletes, Olympic champions, industry change makers, and everyday runners about how they face self-doubt, redefine success, and keep moving forward when life gets heavy. I'd just love to say, I never know who's watching. So you want to make sure you, you through
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02:03:35 Hey, what's up y'all? It's Questlove. And on the Questlove show, I've been sitting down with some really interesting people. And I've got two recent episodes you should check out. I caught up with my good friend Jojo to talk about her music, her career, and what she's been up to. Don't invite me to karaoke. I'm going to make it weird. Someone's going to try to sing, leave get out, or too little, too late, or baby to you.
02:03:57 Oh, no. And I'm going to be like, okay, cool. I also caught up with Wildo 267 for a conversation that covered his story, his perspective, and plenty more. I don't even call it Cheat Day. That's a life day. I'm not doing nothing. Don't try to be slick
02:04:11 and just go Sunday. Go Wednesday. This is what you do. Sleep later. Make a reservation for the rest of a while later. Just chill. Listen to the music you want to listen to.
02:04:20 Just enjoy it. It's going to be all right. Nothing's going to have you. You're going to wake up Wednesday. I'm like, ah, and you're going to feel better. And those are just two of the many recent episodes of the Questlove show.
02:04:32 Listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcast, wherever you get your podcast. Peace. Of impeachment, how does that procedure work? And what is your potential recourse if you could speak to that? Yeah, I'll let my attorney speak in regard to the recourse. But in regard to the process, I will say, per our charter, we have a council manager form of government.
02:05:01 The council has the right and or the mayor and two or three council members have the right to call an investigation on any member of the governing body. Once that investigation occurs and the investigator is completed, he or she's work, they will actually come back and conduct a hearing. During that hearing, that is when the evidence will be presented. And at that point, they'll make a decision based off the charter. The resolution that was given to myself and my attorney had three different options, a public reprimand, a censorship, and of course the removal process that is a part of the city's charter. At that juncture, council can do whatever they want. And at that point, they are the arbiter and the jury and then the decision maker. I'll let my attorney talk about the recourse.
02:05:46 Right. So basically what happened was, I believe it was July to 17th of this year, the council got together and they did a resolution saying that they wanted to do an investigation on Mayor Williams based on allegation of misuse of his P-cards. At that time, they never made any type of allegation of any sexual misconduct. That only came later on when one of the council member, I believe, named La Keisha Gant, sent a threatening text message to the mayor's grandmother, basically saying that if he had decided to have a hearing, which he was entitled to do, and the reason he, we filed what was called a declaratory complaint
02:06:29 was because the city did not even follow their own process. They didn't even follow their own charter. They violated the charter by oucing the mayor without giving him due process and timely notice. And so we filed that Monday, and then after that, and wanted the councilman contacted not only just the mayor's grandmother, but also other individuals in the community, and basically said that, hey, if the mayor decides to go forward on a hearing
02:06:54 to be reinstated based on their violation, that this bombshell was going to happen, and the bombshell was supposed to be, well, later on we found out was an allegation of misconduct. They started off saying one person, then they started saying there were several individuals, that the mayor had engaged in sexual misconduct. We never knew exactly what these allegations were until later on.
02:07:16 But the mayor exercised his right to go forward with the hearing. At the conclusion of the hearing, at some point, the Superior Court judge did reinstate the mayor to his administrative duties, and then after that we proceeded on with the hearing. My view, guys, is that from the inception, this council, because it only takes three council members to vote to remove a mayor who has been elected, duly elected by the citizens.
02:07:46 One of the council members, the individual, Laquisha Gam, who actually called the mayor's grandmother and also made comments on Facebook and social media about the mayor's misconduct, I filed a motion to have her recused. She did not want to remove herself, of course. She was not going to.
02:08:06 And so a hearing officer who was appointed by the city found cause to have her removed. And then that left the council with four individuals. Well, we kind of knew that two of the individuals, they were held bent on getting ready to, getting ready to the mayor, one of whom is the mayor pro tem. And the other one is another council person who the mayor pro tem and that individual are very close friends. So we already knew that their minds were already made up. The other two other two council members, Yelana Barber, we understood that we understood her position and we knew that she probably would not vote to remove the mayor. But then it was Kyle Barry, who was the lone person that I believe these other two were trying to get to. And they did.
02:08:54 And so it didn't matter what evidence or lack of evidence that the city produced during that hearing. Their minds were already made up. As a matter of fact, doing the deliberation, which is. abhorrent, in my opinion, the city attorney went back into the executive session and basically told the counsel or interpreted the charter and what they could do and talked about the evidence, which is which was not something that he was supposed to do. And that may be one of the grounds that we would use if we decide to appeal. So this whole process was a host. I think it was perfunctory. they knew what they were going to do from the exception.
02:09:40 For the sake of time, I just have a quick question. So I know you said you paid back the expenses that you accidentally put on the city credit card. And according to one report is about $4,000 worth of expenses. I was just wondering, was that over like approximately what period of time was that accumulation of expenses? and how did you find out that, oh, I accidentally put it on the wrong card? Because I do have two cards that are from the same lender that look very similar.
02:10:16 One is a business. One is personal. So I was just curious about that. Yeah, it's the same process for me as well. I have a personal, and the city's card, of course, was the same in regard to my instance. The $4,000, of course, was accumulated over the span from me being in office to date, some of which was even one was a $2,200 gift that I gave to the Henry County Schools Foundation to pay off student lunch debt, which was an initiative of mine. Once I found out that I had made some personal charges on my P-card, I immediately went to the city and asked for an invoice and paid that back immediately.
02:10:53 And you can tell them the emails that they produced during the hearing, I asked to do it by the end of the business day because I didn't want the business day to close without me making sure this was taken care of. So I did that on my own personal mayor. We actually have to put in our own receipts and process our purchases because of the HR complaint and the issues with my executive assistant that the mayor has no right to pick who is executive assistant is I had to do my own by my own choice. And that's what I did in this instance. Candace. Okay, thank you. What was the situation with the 18-year-old specifically, though, in that there was evidence that was brought up during the hearing. which I know was a very long hearing, the equivalent of a trial.
02:11:37 At the end of the day, wasn't there discussion about this young person either volunteering or getting some type of a mentorship out of it, which would be under the umbrella of the city? Was that evidence not brought up in the hearing? Thank you for that question. And no, the evidence did not exist. So I have a personal mentee program where I show young people how to get the hearing. through college where we've given over $600,000 in money, $40,000 in scholarships and acceptancees into HBCU specifically. And that's something I do on a personal level and have been
02:12:12 doing that since my sophomore year in college. In this instance, the city tried to allude that he was a volunteer and a part of my mentorship program. I don't have a mentorship program that is a part of the city. What I did have was a mayor for a day program. In that program, the students will come for a day with their parents' consent, whether they were 18 or and they had to engage in civic engagement and learning from a different department in the city, not necessarily just the mayor's office. And he was never a participant of that. There are no internships for my office specifically, and there was nothing alluding to any jobs from my office,
02:12:47 although the city tried to allude to that. Can I just say that I just think it's just bad facts. I mean, when you, I mean, what, if there was an exchange of naked pictures, it's just bad facts. I mean, it's, I understand, especially in your age group and I think your explanation, is worth being heard, but it's kind of like the culmination of it. It does kind of make it a little bit suspect in some ways. I was not in the hearing. I've not read everything, but just in terms of the media, and that might have something to do with it. But I know that you are facing a lot, but I'm just telling you from my perspective and how things are being fed to the,
02:13:24 to the media. It just feels like a culmination of bad facts that it might be hard for you to get from under, especially because if there was an exchange of naked pictures. Yeah. Can I speak to that? And you're right. They are bad facts. And that's, and that was the intent of the council. They, they, before we even had a hearing, they basically said that there were so individuals.
02:13:52 And at the hearing, they never brought not one individual. They spent over two hours questioning the mayor about this relationship that happened prior to him being sworn in about a mentorship. And they want to put their own spin on it in terms of this mentorship. And as the mayor said, this was a mentorship that he had when he was in college. So it had nothing to do with his mayoral duties or administration. And they knew that. That's why they didn't put forth any evidence at all regarding any type of sexual misconduct.
02:14:28 What does your appeal look like? I'm really curious. Well, I mean, I think we have great grounds. You know, again, we have to file within 30 days of the date that they voted to remove the mayor. One of the grounds, as I said before, was the illegal contact that the city attorney had. You can't be adverse to a party, and then you go in there and you speak about the case, speak about the evidence. I mean, that's like the jury calling in the prosecutor or the district attorney to come and say, hey, tell us about this piece of evidence.
02:15:03 Did they prove it? Did you guys prove it? So that was not something that he should have done. Secondly, just based on the fact that the city did not prove a lot of what they alleged. And so once you file the appeal, it becomes what it's called de novo, meaning we can even have a jury come in and they can look at the case all over again. from a new fresh eyes and make a decision whether they want to put the mayor back in the office.
02:15:34 Matt? My only quick question is, I wanted to know what is the kind of community sentiment like regarding the fact that Mayor Williams was duly elected and they used this removal process? I asked that because here that was a big part of the chatter, right? There are people who said, look, she got voted in, let her stay, trying to remove her this way is really a subterfuge.
02:15:57 And I know Stockbridge is much smaller than Corpus Christi, so I'd be very interested in seeing what the citizen's response was like in terms of that. Yeah, I think some news media has actually had, yeah, thank you. I think some news media's had done some interviews with community members. I can tell you for a fact, as a newly elected member, the youngest in the city's history to even not even knowing the operations as a governing body member, they expected a little bit more mentorship and guidance. and so did I. I had a lot of mentorship and guidance outside of the city, but nobody inside to show me what the policy procurement and the daily practices was in the city. So I know the city is questionable about what our leadership is, especially because so many of us are asking for that financial forensic audit
02:16:42 that we've been pushing for to date back at least five years to see what is really happening in our city. But I can say the city is very questionable about leadership right now, and I'll leave it to the people. Like I told someone on a previous interview, the people elected me and the only people I expected to remove me from this office would have been the people. All right then. Well, gentlemen, we certainly appreciate you all joining us and we'll see what happens next. Thank you. Thanks for having this, Roald. All right, thanks a bunch. Folks, let's talk about what's happening in New Jersey with the lieutenant governor, Dale Caldwell,
02:17:15 resign this afternoon, only nine months on the job. Governor Mickey Sherrill called for him to step down after an independent investigation of substantiated sexual harassment and ethics violations against him. Cheryl stood before reporters to explain why she did so. I want to take a few minutes today to speak directly to you, the people of New Jersey. As many of you have heard me say, I hold the office of public service in incredibly high regard. public service holding the public trust is a privilege, not a right. I feel deeply that it is a commitment by elected officials to serve the people, not their own self-interest.
02:18:03 To honor that commitment, public servants must abide by the highest ethical standards. Those standards apply to everyone, regardless of their title. Yesterday I called for Lieutenant Governor Dale Caldwell to resign following the release of the independent investigation into his conduct. As outlined in the report, the investigation found that the Lieutenant Governor failed to uphold the responsibilities of his office, and he demonstrated a pattern of behavior that does not meet the standards of this administration. The report documents serious, repeated violations of state policy, including ethical lapses,
02:18:51 and a substantiated finding of sexual harassment. I gave the Lieutenant Governor until today to resign. He submitted his resignation to me this afternoon, which I accepted. I appreciate his service both on the campaign and in the first months of this administration, particularly in supporting our business agenda. Lieutenant Governor Caldwell has also been deeply committed to addressing the longstanding challenges facing black communities across our state. I share in that commitment. My administration will continue this important work and remain steadfast in our efforts to expand opportunity for all New Jerseyans.
02:19:32 His decision will allow us to move forward with important work serving the people of our state. The report detailed multiple instances where Caldwell violated state ethics rules, including making one. sexually explicit comments to a female staff member, task assigned to staffers to help him find a romantic partner and repeated unauthorized attempts to secure job promotions for a state employee with whom he was romantically involved. Investigators also found the call will repeatedly rebused his position by bringing personal uninvited guests to ticketed state events without ethics, clearance, or proper reimbursement, ignoring workplace guidelines and formal admonishments. In addition to serving as lieutenant governor, he also served as Secretary of State,
02:20:12 the governor named acting state control of New Jersey, Shirley, Imelope to oversee the midterm elections. Candace, what the hell? I know. This is right in my own backyard rolling. And I know Dale. So let me just say this, and this came up with the last guest you had, just in terms of, what is it that these people who get these positions? are learning as they're being onboarded. And I mean that very seriously.
02:20:48 Because some people just don't understand what they can and cannot say, can and cannot do at a job. He was the president of a university. He was here in Hackettstown, New Jersey. He was the president of a university. You're right. I do not understand how these people don't get it right.
02:21:09 And we know that there is more scrutiny, there's more illumination on what they are doing. Every light is on them because they are black men. So I don't understand how someone would get so comfortable and be able to do. Now, here's the thing too. One of the ethics violations was that there were people who were being brought to certain events, and then I guess they would get in for free. I mean, is that a huge deal?
02:21:38 No. He's not going to jail for it. No. Right. He's not going to just not. And also define events, what we're talking about. Exactly. But if there are, if their ethics rules in place,
02:21:48 and to me, that's small potatoes. The problem is you try to get your woman a job with the state. That's right. See, it's the buildup. It's the build up. It's like, okay, you try to get your woman a job. Okay, so those tickets that were $75 or $150, but now you've got the culmination of everything and it looks bad.
02:22:07 Then you've got the comments, you know, why are people dating at work to begin with? I mean, these are just rules of thumb that I know, you know. I mean, you just don't do these types of things and lesson learned. And if you think that someone is not watching you, especially if you are a black man, you could be quietly letting somebody in the side door. Someone saw you and someone is putting it in a file on their desk
02:22:31 just in case you don't do right by them. That's just the truth. Matt Simon Chatsay-Roe. He's also administered. I'm like, dude, you couldn't even you didn't even last a year. You're the lieutenant governor. You are next in line.
02:22:47 Like, bruh. And the thing here, I need people to understand. Previously, New Jersey had a black lieutenant governor. Unfortunately, she passed away. I think she would think it was cancer.
02:23:02 And it was a lot of people, Matt, who were putting pressure on Mickey Cheryl to appoint a black lieutenant governor. saying she wasn't doing enough to get the black support. And this how you... Well, look, all I'm going to say is uncle's in church, but he was on demon time.
02:23:22 So the thing about this that I think I would like to know more about. And let me say as an aside, sexual harassment is nothing to laugh about. If there really was impropriety, and clearly the investigators found that that needs to be addressed. I don't mean to make light of that. I do think it's funny that he was trying to get his girl a job. I don't know why that cracks me up, especially in Trump's economy. Like, I get it. We need
02:23:46 you know, we need more money around his house. I get it. But all jokes aside, the thing I don't understand here is the real politics behind this with him and Cheryl, because my understanding is in New Jersey, when the governor leaves, he's the one who, you know, ascends to the helm and runs the state while she's gone. And my understanding is she continued to allow him to do that even in light of the allegations. And what I would be interested in knowing more is the extent to which the governor's office knew about these things and thought they were just going to get swept under the rug. It wasn't going to become a problem and whether there was some kind of external pressure because the statement, you know, we're going to hold people accountable.
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02:24:42 It's the same hosts and the same chemistry with all the hilarious moments you've been missing right on your screen. Cheers. Open the free IHRRA radio app. Search video podcasts and tap watch. The WNBA playoffs are about to begin. The talent is insane
02:24:58 and the personalities are giving main character energy. And of course, the fans love it. But 30 years ago when the league first started, it was a different story. I remember sitting with a couple the male writers all whining about, oh, what are they going to do if they break a nail? No one's going to show up. But from the very beginning, there were two teams that captured everyone's attention.
02:25:19 The Comets were to real deal. I mean, come on. The Liberty never gave up. They never stopped fighting. I knew that rivalry was going to be amazing from the beginning. I'm Kerry Champion, and this is biggest rivalries of all time, season two. The New York Liberty versus the Houston Comets, the very first rivalry of the WNBA. They picked us to finish last, and they picked them to finish first.
02:25:42 That's all you need to know. I remember looking around thinking, this is going to change things. Basketball was going to have this fundamental impact on the way people viewed women athletes. Listen to biggest rivalries of all time on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Is there bad blood between you in the comments as you guys meet again in the championship? Oh, we're coming back to win. Hey everybody, I'm Chuck Bryan at the Stuff You Should Know podcast. And I'm Adam Pranika of The Greatest Generation and Greatest Trek.
02:26:21 We decided to start a golf comedy podcast because we're both big golf lovers and we wanted to spread that joy and it's called three putt bogey. It's coming from the perspective of golfers who are sometimes good enough to hit two great shots in a row, but almost never good enough to hit three. And a three-putt bogey is kind of the purest expression of that. Every golfer knows what that's like. Obviously, we're going to talk a lot about the game of golf, how absurd it is and how fun it is and how vexing and frustrating. But more than anything, just how much we love the greatest game in the world. We love it anyway. We're putting these out every Friday morning for your weekend golf routine. This is a show about sharing our experiences on the golf course and how absurd and funny they can be.
02:27:03 And that's what Three Putt Bogie is. It's Three Put Boge, everybody, out every Friday. You can listen to it now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Whether you're stepping up to the starting line of a marathon or just trying to take the first step toward a big, scary goal, the conversation in your head is usually the same. Do I have what it takes? I'm Emily Abadi, and on hurdle with Emily Abadi, we dive into the grit, vulnerability, and mindset that fuels our greatest comebacks. I talk to elite athletes, Olympic champions, industry change makers, and everyday runners about how they face self-doubt, redefine success, and keep moving forward when
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02:28:15 Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's up y'all? It's Questlove. And on the Questlove show, I've been sitting down with some really interesting people. And I've got two recent episodes you should check out. I caught up with my good friend Jojo to talk about her music, her career, and what she's been up to. Don't invite me to karaoke. I'm going to make it weird. Someone's going to try to sing, leave get out, or too little too late, or baby to you. And I'm going to be like, okay, cool. I also caught up with Wally-2-67 for a conversation that covered his story, his perspective, and plenty more.
02:28:52 I don't even call it cheat day. That's a life day. I'm not doing nothing. Don't try to be slick and just go Sunday. Go Wednesday. This what you do. Sleep later. Make a reservation for the rest of a later later.
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02:29:18 Listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, wherever you get your podcast. Peace. Well, all that stuff is political rhetoric, right? But if you're still allowing him to accede to the helm or come to the helm, that to me lets me know that there is still trust in him. And I'd be interested in knowing the political machinations behind that more, especially if he was eminently qualified for this position and the person tapped for the position. But certainly I think Candace is right. You don't do these kinds of things, especially eight months into office. You know, I mean, just it doesn't make any sense that you would do this, especially at this level of prominence and this level of visibility.
02:30:01 Michael. So, Roland, this gets worse and worse, the more you read about it. he couldn't get his girlfriend the job at the church. He's a minister. Why can he, I don't understand it. You know, that's the first place you would look, I would think. But now he does say
02:30:22 that the report is false. Dr. Carlwell, he said the report's false and he's resigned because he didn't want to be a distraction. But when he comes, I don't know him like Candace does, but just
02:30:37 having been in the business world for decades and been through sexual harassment training. I do know, just generally speaking, a lot of times when things catch up to people, if it's actually sexual harassment, it's because of previous patterns. I don't know him. He says it's false. Okay. But a lot of times when people are eventually caught because of sexual harassment, they
02:31:10 had patterns that goes back years in this. So this is a shame, especially being that, you know, Mikey Sherrill was pressured to pick an African-American lieutenant general, a lieutenant governor, I should say, and this is how it ends up. So I, because he says it's false, I would like to hear more explanation from him, okay, explain to us, you know, what's false. I know his attorney put out some information, but I would like to hear, you know, more explanation from that. Here's my whole deal. If you say they false, man, I say you fight. That's just me.
02:31:51 So we'll see what happens. Y'all, I got to show you all this. A reporter approached Mississippi Republican Senator Cindy Hyde Smith with a question about the Nolan Wells case. Instead of answering as a senator from Mississippi, her dumb ass ran to the cops. Senator, how's it going? So the grand jury decided, just one quick question about your state with Nolan Wells.
02:32:17 Okay, just one question, though, because Nolan Wells in your state, there was the federal grand jury decided not to indict him. We're allowed to ask questions here. We're allowed to ask questions, and it's about your state. It's Nolan Wells. But it's just one quick question, Senator. We are allowed to ask questions here. It's the public space.
02:32:36 I understand. Yeah, so. Sir, I don't do the whole interview. But you won't answer anything about no one well? I don't do the whole area. Yeah, I mean, security is not allowed to be called on us here. She's not willing to give you an interview. I mean, but I can ask.
02:32:51 You can't keep harassing her. It's not harassing, sir. It's not harassing. She's asking. Is it doing my job? Yeah, no worries. We never have. All right, security's being called.
02:32:59 This is unprecedented. You all know you may have to apologize because this has happened before. Thanks so much, Senator. Um, Michael, reporters ask questions every day in the hallway. You don't have to answer, but her ass running to call in the cops. Well, maybe she was running to a public hanging, Roland. Remember Senator Highsmith a few years ago,
02:33:25 said she would be front row at a public hanging? Maybe that's where she was headed. I mean, number one, she could have just walked away. She didn't have to call the police on him. But this is about Nolan Wales, okay? This is about a black 19-year-old, 20-year-old who ends up dead and went out a 4th of July weekend with friends on a boat. They came back. He didn't.
02:33:58 This has garnered national attention. You are a U.S. senator from the state. of Mississippi that had the largest number of lynchings from, from 1968 to 1882, 581 lynchings. And you don't want to say, you know, condolices to the family. You know, this is wrong. What happened? You want to make it seem like the person asking the question is the threat or the person with the problem? You know, so this is why Steve Colin, I hope defeats Cindy Hyatt Smith. Yeah, these people
02:34:37 November 3rd. These people crack me. Yeah, Scott Cologne. Scott Cologne. So I absolutely agree. These people crack me up, Matt. This is a video in the hallway. Louisiana Senator John Kennedy.
02:34:51 He didn't want to answer them. Question from this black girl. Watch this. The Republican Party's efforts to silence the black vote by gutting the Voting the Voting Rights Act and gerrymandering. I don't have anything for you. What would you say to MLK Jr. if he was here today about your party's efforts to silence the Black vote and overturned the 1964 Voting Rights Act?
02:35:11 Are there police officers in there? I'm not sure. Give me one. But, ma'am, if you keep harass me, I'm going to call the police. Oh, if you keep harassed me, she asked you two questions. But see, here's the problem where they don't like, she... They don't, Kennedy wouldn't say that to Raju at CNN or MSN or Fox News. But he wants to say, just like Cindy Highsmith, oh, I'm being harassed.
02:35:44 Call the cops. Call the cops. No, no, no. That's a public building. You were a United States senator. So this idea that you can't get questions bullshit. Yeah, 100% right. And as you know, that's the area, traditional public forum where the Supreme Court has said your
02:36:02 First Amendment rights are the strongest. These are government elected officials. They work for us. We don't work for them. And I think this is definitely a cascade effect that you see from the highest office in the land when he's barring people from the White House press pool. I mean, the reality is the work you do, the work journalist does sheds light on this government, it holds them to task.
02:36:25 And I think one, when you have the rise of citizen journalists to your exact point, you know, the Fifth Circuit recently had a big case involving a citizen journalist out of Laredo, and I think the fact that you have new channels where it's not just Walter Cronkite who can get on TV, there are people who do a lot of journalistic work who have access to social media and otherwise, but they're not given the same level of prominence or same level of respect for their First Amendment rights as someone at CNN. But the larger point is we should not, as a society, ever accept a government official acting like we're problematic for acting them to explain what they're doing.
02:37:04 That is like a foresay, per se, excuse me, fundamental part of our society. Like that's what we have and what we tout as compared to other parts of the world, the First Amendment, how it protects our rights and not only how it protects our right to hold them to task. So when you have somebody who is threatening to get a police officer, and then a police officer acting in conformity with that, saying, oh, you're harassing her because you're asking questions, that's how you start to slide all the more into 1984 and into Orwellian dystopia society. We should not allow that and this is the kind of thing that is abhorrent.
02:37:38 Now, the real recourse, I don't know what that is, but I think you have to blast this out because if you're not going to answer questions and you shouldn't be in a position where you get to make votes that we might have questions about. And the cop was also lying, Candace. He was standing right there. He saw she wasn't being harassed. He went along with her BS. He was being empowered. Like Matt said, you know, the First Amendment is in the body bag right now. They're just trying to put it in its grave and they're trying to put dirt on it and they feel empowered to step back and say, I don't have to actually answer you because you're fake news. And you're not even allowed on the White House at this point. So they are empowered to do it. And that's where the First Amendment is. But they're losing that battle. They will continue to use that battle. Because let's face it, if they won that First Amendment battle, then that would actually be a precedent case that would work against them and their First Amendment rights. So all of it is high. hogwash. All of it is ridiculous. And all of this is because of what we see Trump is doing and it is trickling down and they feel like they have the power. Well, folks, we keep telling
02:38:41 y'all all these old crying ass MAGA people loving them some Donald Trump talking about that's right, deport everybody. We'll check this out. Maga Republican and former governor of Maine, Paula Page, who's running for a house seat. Well, he's now upset, y'all. Because his son and his son's father-in-law is. being deported. Roll it. Not everybody that's here is illegal. I have a father, my son's wife's dad is here legally, but he's being deported because he came from a country that's not the white king to certain people in Washington. That's not right. He has a work permit. He should be allowed to say.
02:39:26 Orange Magatiers. Now LePage is a big-time Trump ally. and he's openly backed immigrant deportation. Media called him LePage a hypocrite because of his extremely conditional opinions. So now, we have a big error. Instead of you're going to play it, play it. I'll be very clear. I called him autocratic yesterday. Okay, they're sound.
02:40:01 Play the video, please. America, Barack Obama is a dictator. I think he has failed, the American people, he has not worked with the Congress, and what he has done, he has used. He has been maga, maga, maga, maga. I mean, he's been maga, maga, maga. And now all of a sudden, he's changing his tune
02:40:24 because now it affects him personally, Michael. Yeah, it always happens when it, when it hits them personally. When it, when it's the other people, when it's the brown people, you know, is to deport them, send them back to where they came from. They came from S whole countries, things like that. Then when their fiancé gets snatched up by ice, oh, my God. I didn't know what was going to happen.
02:40:51 I didn't vote for that. When is their son-in-law's father? Oh, my God, he's a good, hardworking man. So this is karma. You know, and most recently, even though it was a real tragedy, this week in a congressional hearing we found out that Renee Nicole Good's mother voted for Trump. You know, Renee Nicole
02:41:10 Good that was killed in Minneapolis by ICE, we found out that her mother voted for Trump because her mother says she thought Trump was going to protect us from the illegals and the criminals. I mean, this is, unfortunately, this is karma. I don't know what they were thinking, Matt, but guess what? Chikas are coming home to roost.
02:41:32 Yeah, they were thinking that's the brown I'm okay with. I'm not okay with the rest of them, but this one's all right. I think Michael hit the nail on the head. I don't have too much to add, but beyond, this infuriates me because when it's somebody you don't have a personal relationship with, then you're completely fine with the abhorrent policies that are sending people across the world to countries. They have no connection to where they're being beaten in hotels that are being run by, you know, the government after they've sent people deported them.
02:42:00 But when it's your father-in-law or some person that you have personal value in, it now becomes a problematic policy. And even that, notice how he didn't really call out the Trump administration. He said, this is not okay. This is a person I care about. He should have the right to stay here. But if it's okay or not okay for them to do it to him, then isn't it problematic for them to do it to all the people that have every right to be here who have a work visa or who are otherwise not causing issues? It's disingenuous to me. And I hate this kind of stuff.
02:42:30 but I think Michael hit the nail on the head. Y'all, we have Candace back? Okay, all right, y'all. I found this to be, this is going to be the last item here, I found this to be quite juicy. Before I do that, YouTube people. Y'all should be hitting that like button. There's no reason we're not sitting in the 1,000.
02:42:46 739, that's embarrassing. Y'all are doing more, y'all have done more commenting than that. So let's get to 1,000 before I get off here. Y'all, check this out. Republican strategist Carl Rove. Has some choice words for its own political party when they appear at the 2006 Atlantic Festival in New York City. He explained why he is voting for a Democrat John Rosenthal
02:43:05 for the Texas Railroad Commission over racist Republican Beau French, and all of a sudden, Carl, I think, is enlightened. The problem is my party is infiltrated by these people. We have these, you know, I'm just raising questions, you know, conspiracy nuts. We have these, you know, masculinity, which means women shouldn't. vote. I mean, we need to get rid of these people. We have faced this problem before, and we need to get rid of these people. Now, the Democrats have got their own problems, and I'm going to let them worry about them, you know, and they got their problems. Let's,
02:43:47 both parties are broken. But when I went to Texas, as a young man, I went to work for the senior Republican in the Texas House. There were 18 out of 150, different in the state Senate. in one election, we had increased our numbers by 50% in one election alone. Out of 31 senators, we'd gone from two to three. We had gone over a century without electing a governor or any other statewide elected official in our state capital. And I helped build that party. Every one of those people, Rick Perry, Kay Bailey Hutchison,
02:44:21 Phil Graham, John Cornyn, they were my clients. And I did not build a Republican Party that said, if you're black or brown or Asian, you don't belong. If you are an immigrant, you don't belong. I'm the great-grandson of an immigrant. Now, Carl, stop it. Now, Carl, you know damn well. The Republican Party has been riding that raceway for a long damn time.
02:44:52 And he knows, doggone well. He knows. He knows how that party's been operating. Who they've been appealing to. He talks about Texas. Did he forget the campaign manager for George W. Bush's daddy? Lee Atwater. Did he forget what Lee Atwater said and what he did?
02:45:20 I don't know who he thinks he fooled, Matt. We know the deal. The problem is Bo French is just overt racist. That's the problem, Matt. You know, one of the comments to that Atlantic video that I saw when I was preparing for the show said something like, you built the house, you built the door, you opened the door, the call's coming from inside the house that you built. So I find this again, to use the same word, disingenuous. You know what this party has been saying and has been espousing for years. Going back to the Reagan days when you were talking about, quote, welfare queens.
02:46:03 We know what that dog whistle was. We know what it's been for 40 years. And this is the kind of reinvention that we see sometimes people do. But Karl Rove, of all people, I mean, I find it disingenuous. Now, I don't have any evidence that he's ever, you know, specifically called out brown people or black people or whatever. But the point is this party has leveraged those tropes, leverage those stereotypes for my entire lifetime,
02:46:28 especially here in the state of Texas. And I just think it's dishonest to act like it hasn't. and to act like now you need to be this truth-sayer who's going to stand up to right and stand up for right and say that this is a bridge too far. I mean, it's just dishonest because you know what it's been all this time. Michael? Yeah, you know, this is more Republicans abandoning some aspects of MAGA and seeing a, title wave that's coming, you know. But for him to act like
02:47:05 he really doesn't understand where all this racism is coming from in the Republican Party. And those that don't remember Lee Atwater, that was the Willie Horton ad in 1988 that dealt with Governor Dukakis, if I remember correctly, when he was running for president.
02:47:22 Yeah. And, yep. And they brought up Willie Horton and he raped when he was out on leave from prison. he raped a white woman, you know, and this helped turn around the election for President George W. Bush. That was the re-election campaign. Well, I'm sorry not the re-election.
02:47:46 He wasn't re-elected. I'm sorry. But, yeah, you're dealing with the racism. So, you know, I like to see videos like that because that shows how scared these people are rolling. Yeah. It shows how scared Republicans are. He's going to vote for the Democrat. Carl Rhodes.
02:48:01 Okay, it's going to vote for the Democrat. It's like hell is freezing over. Boe French is an absolute racist and should be defeated. Yeah, before we go, Anita Earls is running for Supreme Court in North Carolina. Crucial, crucial seat. Republicans have a five to two advantage. She's the only African-American on the court. She recently dropped this new political ad.
02:48:25 Check it out. I was already a lawyer when my brother was murdered. His killer was never brought. to trial that loss didn't put me on this path but it has shaped how I walk it as a justice I hold criminals accountable keep communities safe and ensure every victim gets their day in court I'm Anita Earls as a justice I won't stop working until the law works for everyone that's right what that sister's going to be in our show on Tuesday so we look forward to having her on the show also before I go I
02:49:06 I saw that Angie Nixon dropped her first commercial of the cycle. And I said, all right, pretty cool. So let's just see where Angie Nixon dropped, y'all. You shouldn't have to wonder who side your senator is on. So let me make this clear. If it's Florida's homeowners against insurance companies, I'm with the homeowners. If it's patients against price-gouging drug companies, I'm with the patients. If it's families against corporate entities buying up our neighborhoods and driving up the rent,
02:49:36 I'm with the families every single time. I'm Angie Nixon. I approve this message because Florida, I can promise you that I'll never make you guess whose side I'm on. All right, y'all, pretty good there. So pretty, pretty interesting there. All right, y'all, that's it.
02:49:52 Let me thank. First of all, we lost Candace's signal. So let me thank Candace. Let me thank Michael. Let me thank Matt. Y'all, y'all, you too. I'm still watching y'all. 859. 89 likes, y'all.
02:50:03 Seriously? Okay, y'all, it ain't hard. You click the button like. We submit a thousand before we get to hell off. So that is it. Hey, y'all, this weekend tomorrow I'm going to be in Baltimore. We're going to be in Maryland, I'm sorry, speaking at the Maryland Commission on Civil Rights, 2026 Gala.
02:50:26 And so looking forward to be there. So I will see y'all tomorrow in Maryland. And then on Monday, on Monday, I, we went to, Dr. Greg, Chris. probably sitting in for me. And no, I'm not going to a golf tournament. No, I'm not giving a speech. I am attending an event on Monday. And that is, it is the retirement party for Lee Saunders.
02:50:53 Lee Saunders, the president of the American Federation of State County Municipal Employees. Lee, of course, is one of the top labor leaders in the country. And, of course, and he's an alpha brother. but here's why I am going to be missing the show to attend his retirement party. Come on, y'all, show the video. Here's a deal. This show, that's our old studio. I want you all to say that's our old studio.
02:51:21 Y'all see that glass tabletop? Lee Saunders, they were the first sponsor of this show. They were the first sponsor. They were the only sponsor that we had. advertiser that we had on this show for our first two years. That's how we were able to build this show, able to build where we are. And so I was supposed to travel on Sunday to Dallas for Nancy Lieberman's Celebrity Golf Classic. I told Nancy she wanted me, because they're honoring Ray Lewis and others at Nancy, I can't be there.
02:52:00 I've got to be at Lee's event on Monday. and again, there were a lot of people, there were a lot of people who were upset. And there were a lot of people who were angry when TV1 canceled my morning news show News 1 now. But none of those people stepped up financially. When I said I was going to launch this show. None of them. Lee Summers was the first. And so that's where I'm going to be at its retirement event.
02:52:34 It's at 5.30 at the Howard Theater on Monday. Look forward to being there to celebrate him. And again, that's what I'm going to be there. And so absolutely, I appreciate that brother. Go ahead and show him. And again, this is a real labor leader, folks. And so I appreciate his support over the years. And so I'm going to be there.
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