Somewhere in the Skies - The Shag Harbour UFO Incident: Canada’s Most Mysterious UFO Crash (SITS CLASSIC)

Episode Date: October 4, 2026

In this episode of Somewhere in the Skies Classics, we revisit one of the most compelling and well-documented UFO cases in Canadian history: the Shag Harbour UFO Incident. On the night of October 4, 1967, residents along the coast of Nova Scotia watched a mysterious object descend toward the waters near Shag Harbour and seemingly disappear beneath the surface. What followed was an official search-and-rescue operation, military involvement, eyewitness testimony, and a paper trail that would help cement the incident as one of the most intriguing UFO mysteries ever investigated by the Canadian government. Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/somewhereskies ByMeACoffee: http://www.buymeacoffee.com/UFxzyzHOaQ Send us a voicemail: https://www.speakpipe.com/SomewhereSkiesPod Substack: https://ryansprague.substack.com/ All socials and books: https://linktr.ee/somewhereskiespod Email: [e-mail] Email: [e-mail] Opening theme song by Septembryo Closing song by Per Kiilstofte Copyright © 2026 Ryan Sprague. All rights reserved. #UFO #UAP #ShagHarbour #UFOSighting #UFOHistory #AlienMystery #USO #SomewhereInTheSkies Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But I did not want to leave you guys hanging. You know, we do have new episodes of the podcast coming out as we speak. But I wanted to bring you this classic episode about the Shag Harbor UFO incident because as I'm recording this intro, it is Sunday, October 4th, 2026. And about five years ago, we released an episode about the Shag Harbor UFO incident, which, you know, for those of you who may know, it's one of the most well-documented UFO crash cases in history, a U.S.O case, actually. The event happened October 4, 1967, so today, as I'm recording this, is the anniversary. So I thought I would re-release this episode as a Summer in the Sky's classic, and I really hope you guys enjoy either hearing it for the first time or hearing it for the 10th time. But it's always worth revisiting because the Shai Harbor incident is just an incredible case.

Something went down in the water. You know, the military went down, divers went down to look for it, couldn't find it, and the story just gets crazier from there. So yeah, I thought this would be a good way to celebrate the anniversary of the event. I'm also making a documentary all about the Shai Carver UFO incident. I should have more news on that soon. But in the meantime, I have to go get ready. Today we are going to be investigating an old haunted ship called the Unicorn, which is right here in Dundee, Scotland. So I'm super excited about that.

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enjoy this Summer on the Skies classic about the Shag Harbor UFO incident. It's a small fishing village in a modest Canadian province. It's not a place you would expect to host one of the most well-documented UFO incidents of all time. Yet, in October of 1967, Shag Harbor became the Canadian equivalent of the historically omnipresent Roswell incident. On this 53rd anniversary of this Canadian incident,

let's take a look back at just exactly what happened in the waters of Shag Harbor. Its relevance and eerie similarities to the Navy UFO encounters in recent years and where this case lay in the annals of UFO history. It was October 4th. 1967. At approximately 7.15 p.m., Air Canada Flight 305 pilots, Captain Pierre Charbonneau, and First Officer Robert Ralph, were flying above Quebec, about 180 miles west of Nova Scotia. Everything was perfectly routine until they noticed something trailing their plane. They witnessed a massive, rectangular-shaped object, orange in color, gliding through the sky.

trailing the rectangle were small orange orbs that seemed almost like a tail to the main object. The pilots watched with growing concern for several minutes when suddenly there was some sort of explosion near the rectangle. A large white cloud was left behind, sporadically changing colors from red to blue. Two minutes later, another explosion occurred, leaving behind a similar cloud. behind a similar cloud of colors. The pilots watched in amazement as the small orbs swarmed around the rectangle, and along with it descended into a thick cloud cover and disappeared out of sight. Both pilots visibly shaken reported the incident when they finally landed.

Meanwhile, back on the ground, residents of Shag Harbor would report seeing four orange lights in tight formation, flashing in rapid sequence across the night sky. A group of teens that were out fishing noticed that the lights were making a brisk descent towards the water, but instead of disappearing into the murky depths, the lights seemed to float effortlessly on the surface before disappearing into the water. One of those teens was Lori Wilkins. Here he is describing what he and his friends saw that night many years ago in the note. in the Nova Scotia skies.

It was in evening somewhere around 10.30, and we was going up through roughly where we are now here in Shag Harbor, and we noticed some lights, and they would have been from here up that way across the road. No long, I don't know if we noticed at first, but they were going in sequence. One would be on, and two, and three, then four. They'd all be on for a second.

They'd all go off. And that scene would seem to start over. over again. And as we drive along, it seemed to be going along with us. Can't tell how high it was or how far, but it was high enough in the sky to be invisible. And as we drove along, like I said, it seemed to go along with us. And then as we get up towards where the school is now, it seemed to take a 45 degree angle from going on level to tipping down. And then we had to turn and go more or less north. We were going left along the highway by the school. school and we come to where there was a helm and there was a low pace and if we were coming up the hell as the light was going down and just before we made the top of the hill we lost out of it and then we got the top of the hill we could see the light and the water in the meantime we thought it was a

plane hit crash so we went and called the RCNB from a phone booth in woods harbour and more or less didn't believe us and the first thing asked me is what we was drinking i said we had it man So, anyhow, we did get the phone number from where the phone move was, and I went to get in the car to leave, and the phone rang. That's when he asked me where we could meet, where we see it at, or where we could meet, I don't know what we call the moss plant. That's where the little sight is like they got set up after the USO thing now. So we go back down there, and we got there, we could still see the light in the water, and it was more like drifting down with the toys and we much have been there five seven minutes before the RC&B got there there was four people three other

people with me in the car so as we watched it drift down and when the RCB got there there was two cars one come first then a second one there was two in one and the other but I can't remember how far apart them cars were people getting there and they got out watching there and there's a few more people come and as we washed it breath down we had walked to the top of the hill and we must have washed it 20 minutes roughly all together then it just disappeared in the lightening it in the meantime they'd call the clacks for the clack driver to the coast guard the cob and some local fishermen here who'd seen it had gone and got in their boat or heard about and went up and started to look to see if there was any wreckage or anything we never seen that And anyhow, so the next day, that night, the glass car was the dog-on-upon coming to past that point.

I got him aboard that and went out, me and some of the mountains, who had epilepsy, we could find anything, and we've seen no rackage of not whatsoever. Another witness who'd been fishing quickly phoned the RCMP to report the crash of an aircraft. The police dispatcher brushed off the young man, believing him to have been in need created. But soon, over a dozen other calls flooded the station. Police immediately went out to investigate.

Unbeknownst to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Constable Ron Pound was patrolling an area near the alleged incident. He witnessed the four orange lights moving at tremendous speeds. As he himself sped up his vehicle, he believed the four lights to all be connected to a single aircraft. and estimated it to be about 60 feet in length. He reached the shoreline, where he was soon joined by fellow officers, police corporal Victor Wurbeki, and constable Ron O'Brien.

Along with over 30 other witnesses, they all watched as the orange light slowly changed to a yellowish tint and moved eerily slow across the surface of the water, leaving a similar yellowish-colored foam in its wake. Some witnesses claimed, to have seen the actual structure of the object, reporting it as dome-shaped. Due to the exhaustive dedication by Mufon investigators, Chris Stiles, and Don Ledger, they were able to compile a list of first-hand witnesses and individuals involved with the search and recovery efforts.

What follows appears to be the most accurate timeline, according to their research. The Canadian Coast Guard was called to the scene, but before they could arrive, two RCMP officers had already secured local fishermen's boats and headed towards the area for a possible search and rescue mission. The lights were no longer visible, but the yellow foam remained. The officers and fishermen who assisted all said that the foam was like no seafone they'd ever seen before. much thicker than anything that could be caused naturally. They had to cut their way through it just to look for survivors of the supposed crash landing. After several hours of searching, nothing could be found. The RCMP, along with the Coast Guard, contacted their local NORAD station

and the Rescue Coordination Center, asking if there'd been any reports that evening of a missing aircraft, either civilian or military, they had nothing. The following morning of October 5th, the Canadian Forces headquarters sent out specially trained divers from the Navy and RCMP to systematically search the seabed in the alleged area where the crash had occurred. They searched for several days, but found absolutely nothing. Local newspapers begin to circulate speculative theories of a Russian spacecraft, submarine, or spy satellite being the enigmatic culprit. There were also rumors that the United States had launched their own investigation into the incident. On October 9th, five days after the mysterious objects sank off the shoreline and into the abyss, the search for the craft in the water had been called off.

after extensive efforts turned up nothing. Of course, some will argue that evidence could have been found and was concealed from the public eye, which is somewhat plausible, especially when one one considers the fact that there was a secret U.S. military base monitoring subterranean and underwater frequencies for Russian submarine activity,

just 30 minutes from the crash site. The search for the UFO at Shag Harbor, was conducted during a highly charged period in Canada's history. The space race was on, and so was the Cold War. Russian submarines were known to frequent the East Coast, and the Americans were testing all manners of devices to spy on their common foes, including crude spy satellites that ejected film canisters at high altitudes.

While the official records provide no explanation for what happened, There are vague clues pointing to another incident about 50 kilometers north, just off the coast of Shelburne. In his co-author 2001 book, Dark Object, Chris Stiles says he eventually interviewed former military insiders and members of the Navy's fleet diving unit, who told him the orange orb spotted in Shag Harbor, had submerged under its own power, and traveled to a spot on the seabed off Shelburne. At the time, the area was the location for a top-secret military base, disguised as an Oceanic Institute. What I was being told by the former military staff that were involved in a search effort was that while a search was going on in the sound of Cheyke Harbor,

military personnel already knew that the object was no longer there on the seabed, that it had moved away under the water, rounded Cape Zabel Island, had gone up the coast, and come to rest on the sea beach, off the coast of Government Point, which was the location of CFS Shelburne, Canada's most secret military base. The facility used underwater microphones and magnetic detection devices to track enemy submarines, but its true purpose wasn't revealed until the 1980s. But when it came to the Shag Harbor UFO incident, this area, known as Government Point

seemed to be yet another place where the UFO made its temporary underwater home. Slowly, the headlines made their way to the back of the newspapers, and soon faded into obscurity, as most UFO cases often do. But this certainly wouldn't be the last we would hear of the Shag Harbor UFO story. In 2018, it was announced that Celine Kornb, Casteau and Fabian Casteau, grandchildren of Jacques Cousteau, were heading to Nova Scotia to investigate the incident. As part of their visit, their investigative team would carry out an underwater search to try to locate the craft that could possibly still sit at the bottom of the water. While their deep-sea investigation did not yield a craft or materials, anomalous activity was recorded between their radio transmissions, while underwater.

when in proximity to where the craft was said to have submerged. And even though this new generation of Castos couldn't crack the case, the fact that their investigation revealed other anomalous activity is yet another layer of unexplained phenomena that could be attributed to whatever happened in 1967. And as for anomalies, it should be noted that other weird phenomena has occurred in the, area where the object was said to have submerged. Diver David Svet had been surveying the ocean

floor of the Shag Harbor for years and claimed he's discovered underwater anomalies or depressions in the area where the crash is said to have taken place. The depressions appeared like a dinner plate with the center being about a foot deep and perfectly round. The covering of This depression was comprised of pebbles, two to four centimeters in size. But there was no sizable rocks or plants in the area. No sea life either. It looked as though the entire area had been swept clear. Also, in his own personal research, Chris Stiles was even able to obtain several official documents

through the Canadian version of the Freedom of Information Act. One of these documents came from the Canadian Armed Forces, which stated, quote, the Rescue Coordination Center conducted preliminary investigation and discounted the possibilities that the sighting was produced by an aircraft, flare, or any other known objects, end quote. This, along with witness testimony reports through the RCMP and the Department of National Defense, convinced styles that something or some things were indeed recovered in the waters. Perhaps the most compelling development in the Shag Harbor incident is its striking resemblance to the now-famous Tick-Tac UFO incident. During a routine training mission in 2004 off the coast of California,

commander David Fravor, a Navy squadron leader, was ordered to intercept an unidentified. object caught on radar. While trying to visually investigate this object, which he described as being shaped like a tic-tac, he watched in amazement as the object performed extremely unconventional maneuvers. Reacting to Fravor's pursuit, the object descended from 80,000 feet in altitude, to 20,000 feet near the surface of the ocean, and then shot back up to 65,000 feet, with within seven seconds, disappearing completely out of sight. While the Tick-Tac UFO and its incredible maneuvers were compelling enough, what Fravor described next was what moved this to not just a UFO, but a possible unidentified submerged object

as well. In an exclusive interview with investigative reporter George Knapp, Fravor explained that, quote, it created a disturbance on the water. uncharacteristic of a helicopter or plane. You watched it for more than five minutes. You saw it as close as anybody got, and it was doing something really strange over a disturbance in the water.

Yes. Was there something in the water? We don't know. So here's what it is. I'll say what drew us to it is there was a perfectly calm blue ocean day, no white caps, and there was white water. The white water was kind of in the shape of,

you can call it a cross, but about the size of a 737. So take the 737, drop it, and you'll look at it from the top and point it to the east, and we're down to the south of it. That's what the white water looked like. And the Tick-Tac was moving around that white water. So we didn't see if there was something below the surface. Because if it's 10, 15 feet below the surface, it's so going to cause the waves, those swells to break over the top of it like a seamount. So we didn't see anything below.

We just know there was something causing that water to break over the top of it on a perfectly, like a pristine, spectacular San Diego Day is what it was. As if it was docking or interacting with? I don't know. We first came back, so what was it doing? Was it trying, was it interacting? Because obviously we talked, when we turned around, we couldn't find the disturbance in the water anymore. It was gone. So, you know, normally if it's a real seamount, it's going to be there until, you know, God removes it. So in this case, I go, we said, you know, it went, well, was it communicating? I don't know. I really don't know, but it could have been. So the real question remains.

Was there a submerged object either connected to the TikTok UFO or literally controlling it? We may never truly know the answer to this question, but we can find similarities with actions taken by the Tick-Tac UFO and the object witnessed in Shag Harbor. In fact, the event in Nova Scotia meets at least one of the traits laid out by the former director of the one secret Pentagon UFO program, Luis Elizondo. Under the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or ATIP, Elizondo compiled a list of incredible capabilities, commonly associated with UFO sightings.

He called these traits the five observables. As stated on the To the Stars Academy website, they include one, sudden and instantaneous acceleration, two, hypersonic velocities without signatures, three, low observability, four, transmedium travel, and five, positive lift. If we are to observe the actions of the Shag Harbor objects, it most certainly hits number four. When you're a mid-sized business,

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Transmedium travel. Everything we build is purpose-specific for its environment. A plane looks like a plane has wings, has engines, has a rudder, has a nose, because it has to be aerodynamic. Yet here's an object that can operate just as easily in atmosphere, in space, and potentially even underwater, and yet it doesn't change. its design characteristics

what type of technology could allow that any one of these mind you would be an absolute game changer for any foreign adversary to have just one of them it would be a game changer this and several other observables make the Shag Harbor object

most certainly in anickma and while its performance may have in fact been compromised that day in the skies and eventually in the waters of Nova Scotia it begs for continued investigation, both by the United States and its northern neighbor. While it remains a mystery, the Shag Harbor incident lives on permanently at the Shag Harbor Interpretive Center.

This welcoming center chronicles the sighting in great detail, allowing visitors to view television documentaries, newspaper articles, and an impressive exhibit on outer space. It's quite clear that Canada is not done with this case, and neither are the rest of us. Every year, thousands of people from all over the world make a trek to Shag Harbor, grab some lunch, and take in the interpretive center. The town also hosts an amazing annual conference, inviting speakers from all over the world to talk about UFOs, and of course the Shag Harbor incident. Yours truly was supposed to speak at this year's Shag Harbor UFO Expo, but then the world kind of went on lockdown. So I'm looking forward to speaking in Shag Harbor in the fall of 2021,

and I hope to see all of you there. It is definitely worth the trip. So what can truly be said about the Shag Harbor incident? The extraordinary testimonies given to Chris Stiles and Don Ledger were said to be highly credible. However, their names remain confidential to protect them from possible threat or security oaths by many of the military involvement.

Therefore, the aforementioned information, just like most witness testimony by military, and authority figures, was given off the record. No matter the case, something extremely strange occurred in Shack Harbor on that dark, cold night. It remains one of the most compelling UFO cases of all time, only bringing forth more questions than answers. It's left even the most skeptical minds scratching their heads. It could perhaps be best summarized with a quote from the October 14th editorial from the Chronicle Herald.

Imagination or natural phenomena seem to be the weakest of explanations. it has been a tough week for skeptics. Here is primary investigator Chris Stiles commenting on the Shag Harper incident. Several scientists have suggested over the years that UFO advocates should call attention to a single case, one so strong that it can stand up to scientific scrutiny and be established, after all, as a true, extraordinary event. I'm not sure that this is the best approach, but I'm comfortable with. And I'm sure that science is supposed to conclude or do what it would with such a case.

However, I believe that the Shag Harbor incident does fit the bill. I don't believe that it's the only possible candidate, but it's probably one of the safest potential UFO cases that could be nominated for such special status. Here's why. Something did happen on the night of October the 4th, 1967. The eyewitnesses know this, the three RCMP officers, and the authorities who were there on scene and who saw the UFO on the water, they all know this. Many UFO skeptics, including the late debunker Philip Klass,

have quietly conceded to me that something extraordinary happened on that fall night so many years ago. The remaining eyewitnesses have moved on to their lives as best they can. Most of the active and serious UFO community busies itself with the latest point of origin theory or research gossip, and yet the Shag Harbor Center remains a mystery. It has steadily gained notoriety in consideration since I began my reinvestigation of the case back in 1992. The Shag Harbor incident has refused to evaporate.

No one has recanted their essential testimony. New witnesses and interpretations have appeared over the years, and they've only served to enhance our understanding of the case. The incident has even secured its place as part of Canadian history. The National Archives of Canada website has an entry on the Shag Harbor incident. where visitors can also see an archived UFO report. Significantly, the principal entry reads, both the RCMP and locals have rushed to the shore of the harbor,

but what they encountered there was far from a conventional aircraft. That page concludes with the further determination that the Department of National Defense has identified the siting as unsolved. Those statements are consistent several decades later with the initial impressions of the investigating agencies. I would continue to point out that the Shag Harbor incident remains the world's only UFO crash scenario that is imported in this interpretation by government documents that are freely available. And they're entirely without controversy as to their origin or authenticity.

To my mind, the Shag Harbor incident remains one of the most compelling arguments in the world today for what I would consider UFO reality. Also is sort of an addendum to this episode. I wanted to invite Jordan Bonaparte, host of the nighttime podcast to come on and give his thoughts on the case, being a Nova Scotia resident himself. So I'm going to leave you here with one of the nicest and most talented podcast hosts out there today. Jordan Bone Apart.

Hello, Ryan. Jordan from the nighttime podcast here. You had told me about your plans to do an episode celebrating the now 53rd anniversary of the Shag Harbor, U.S. incident. Now with myself as a Canadian who lives very near Shag Harbor and who follows UFO stories, specifically the Shag Harbor story very closely, I thought I'd send you a voice memo to tell you a little bit about what I know about the sighting and my experience is looking into it for my show where I've covered it several times and was fortunate to have met a lot of the eyewitnesses and some of the main researchers associated with it.

So as a Canadian involved in the UFO phenomenon, I can easily say Shag Harbor is one of the two main UFO sightings we have that people look to as, you know, the biggest in Canada. On the west coast of Canada, there was the Falcon Lake UFO incident. On the east coast of Canada, where I am, there's the Shag Harbor UFO incident. Both happened within only a short amount of time, I believe about a year in the difference between the two of them. But the Shag Harbor UFO incident, at least in my opinion, is the most reputable, the most fascinating, and just the most noteworthy UFO incident, in my opinion as well, not just in Canada, in the world. And the reason for that is in this case in Shag Harbor, it's not a group of two guys who saw it or, you know, two separate groups of three that saw it.

It's a community that saw this. When the lights flew over Shag Harbor and seemingly crashed into the waters, there were people all over that community that noticed it. They all, you know, a lot of them all went to the waterfront where the, were the, where the, were the people. the object was thought to have crashed into and where lights were visible. A crowd gathered there of citizens and they watched the lights. They were there as the coasts, as, you know, the searchers arrived and some of them even, you know, banded together and hopped on fishing boats and went over to where the lights were seen in the water, thinking that they were going to be approaching the scene of like an aircraft accident or something.

But again, as I'm sure you'll get into in your episode, all they really found over there was some odd yellow foam that was said to have a sulfuric smell to it. But anyway, when you get into the UFO sightings and events, so seldom is there any kind of physical evidence. And because of that, we're left looking to the eyewitness accounts and gauging the reputation of the witness and, you know, monitoring their story over their years to see if there's any changes in it that may indicate, you know, maybe either dishonesty or exaggeration. In Shag Harbor, you don't have that. The witnesses who were there that night in 67,

in a lot of cases, they're still living in Shag Harbor. They attend the annual UFO convention that's put on there, the UFO Festival in Shag Harbor. And they've been telling the same story for years and all they really want is both some people to believe them and take it seriously but also they just want an explanation for what had happened i i've been fortunate where again i live near there i went to the ufo festival i think the last five or six years i was a speaker at last years when i'm sure you're aware of this but the royal canadian mint issued a commemorative coin that was celebrating the, uh, the, the, the UFO event. So the last year's festival was, there was a lot of publicity surrounding it mainly because of the release of this coin, which is

quite, quite spectacular. But, um, anyway, at the, at the UFO festivals, you have those same witnesses, uh, they want belief. They want someone to explain to them what, what, what had happened. And their stories haven't changed. There's very little exaggeration, but, When you meet these people, it's not like going to, again, I'll try to paint the picture as someone who's been to the UFO festival in Shag Harbor a lot. It's you drive to the middle of nowhere. And it's this tiny little fishing community that you're almost like when you get there, it's so far away from anything of, you know, that you would expect to go to if you come to Nova Scotia as a tourist, let's say. You're driving so far away from that. It's almost, when you get to Shag Harbor, you would almost question why people even live way out there.

But what you do find is an odd-looking yellow building with like a sign on the front of it that says UFO museum. And then there's a little spot where there's a, on the side, like on the shoreline where there's a sign showing, you know, pointing over there saying this is the site of the UFO sighting of 67. But it's a really cool place. And when you go to the UFO conventions there, it's just at like the kind of a community hall where you'd expect a bingo game or something. But when you get in there, it's not like a Star Trek convention or something

with all these strange sci-fi kind of things happening. You see, much like I guess the crowd that would be at a bingo game. You just see all members of the community in there. They all have a story about the night, you know, the UFO flew over and crashed into the water. They're not really, they're not trying to capitalize on it. financially, they're just there to tell their story and it's almost like, it's almost like going to

like an, like, a, A.A. meeting, except instead of them sharing the story of, you know, how they started drinking or something, it's, you know, the story of, you know, my dad, he, to his dying day, swore he saw it that night or, you know, or I was a little kid and I saw it and I've never gotten over it. So it's, the people who listen to your show that are, that are, that are, that are, really like the UFO heads. Like they got to make a pilgrimage to Nova Scotian attend this convention

because I've been to a lot of UFO conventions that seem more interested in selling product and promoting ideas and this sort of thing or promoting TV shows or specific groups or something. The Shag Harbor UFO Festival is the most sincere

and genuine where it is absolutely just a an event where the eyewitnesses are there and the community is there and they're just celebrating slash leaning on each other with the story. So it's a cool spot. But yeah, I guess for me, what makes it so fascinating is how many people saw it, how there's no explanation for it. It's there's a lot of theories. Some people think it was flares that were maybe being test it. Some people think it could have been a, um, uh, a satellite just passing, uh, through the sky that just kind of trick them. Then there's the, you probably know more about this. If you read

too deep, if you read deep into Shag Harbor, but I, I think it was called the Corona satellite, which was a, uh, intelligence satellite used during the Cold War that as it, um, as it made its way around Earth when it went over like Russia was taking photos and you know back in 67 the photos it'd be taking are on film of course and then when it makes its way back around this part of the world where I am in Nova Scotia it would drop these these canisters of the film negatives it would land into the water and a submarine would pick it up and develop it and they would use that to get intelligence during the Cold War there's a lot of people theorize that the whole shag Harbor UFO incident may have just been people watching the corona satellite drop its

film canisters or whatnot, which I believe would have been accompanied by a flare to allow the submarine to collect it. But if you ask Lori Wickeens, who is the main eyewitness for Shag Harbor, I say the main eyewitness because he was the first one to call the police. And he's the one most often people will will cite when talking. about this sighting but if you ask him or any of the other men or women that saw this I haven't met one of them who actually saw it who said ah I agree it was you know a satellite dropping something or it was a flare they all say you know whatever we saw was nothing nothing normal or typical it was something you know very special and I think I

believe I think I believe them to be honest you you get when you go to Shagg Harbor you get a special kind of feeling. It just has that. If you've watched Twin Peaks, the feeling that David Lynch manages to capture in the fictitious town of Twin Peaks, I get a lot of that in Shag Harbor. And I think even if I didn't know about the UFO event and I ended up in Shag Harbor for some reason, you'd be like, you know, this place is a little weird. It's a kind of place where if you walked off into the woods or something, you'd probably find some really interesting things. I don't know. It's just It has this kind of magic about it. And I think if extraterrestrial life, if you believe in that sort of thing,

if they were going to touch down on Earth and get up to something, you know, Shag Harbor would be a pretty ideal spot to do it. It's beautiful there. The people are real pure heart. And it's just a special place. And the Shag Harbor event is a special event. I think the only reason it's not spoken about like Roswell is simply because it happened in Canada. And a lot of fascinating stuff happens in Canada, but for whatever reason, it just doesn't make itself known across the border.

It kind of stays here. And Shag Harbor is kind of like our little secret, I think, for the Canadian UFO enthusiasts. It's fascinating. The government was involved and investigated. it. There's the researchers who most closely followed this, like Chris Stiles and Don Ledger, they did an amazing job and they shared their work in a series of books. There's a book called Dark Object that I can't recommend enough. It's written by Chris Stiles and Don Ledger, who are the two main researchers, I guess, that brought the story to the public eye.

And it was published on Whitley Streber's book publishing company he had at one point. I don't know if he still does. But the book's amazing. And it tells the story in way more detail than I ever could or your episode likely will be able to. But yeah, Shag Harbor is one of the fascinating stories that Canadians share, but people beyond Canada may not know about. Anyway, Ryan, I hope you get down to the Shag Harbor Festival. In fact, I think you were supposed to be here this year, or this year, and the coronavirus put a stop to it.

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