Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1405 - Mark & Tonya Went from Being Mormon to Becoming Swingers

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Mark and Tonya went from being Mormon to becoming swingers and they both called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why Mark got out of the Mormon church the first time, how and why Tonya got into the Mormon religion even though she wasn’t born into it, the Mormon rules regarding sex including soaking and the loop holes surrounding the rules that exist, what they got into sexually after they got out of the religion for good, how they wound up at their first swinger club and exactly what went down, the first couple they met up and hooked up with and what went down including Tanya’ first experience being with a woman, the swinger ranch in Denver that they love and exactly what goes down there and why they love it, what they also love about Desires and Secrets swingers resorts, the first time Tanya got jealous seeing Mark with another girl and how they got past it plus a whole lot more. Check out their podcast Undressed Conversation GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see HOT pics of MARK & TONYA plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://LoadBoost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2610-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get 10% OFF your first month of Bluechew GOLD! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://inda.shop/STRICTLY!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ If you’re 21 or older, get 40% OFF your first order @IndaCloud with code STRICTLY Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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anyway today i have a super interesting episode i was like fascinated by this couple i had a million questions for them. Dave and Tanya called in. They have a Mormon background. Actually, Dave was Mormon. Tanya wasn't. She converted into Mormon. They were in and out of the religion. We talk about some crazy stuff that goes on within that religion. We talk about Marx past when it came to sex and sexual repression for him and abuse. And we talk about Tanya's past. And we talk about also when they got together and how they rolled when they like left the church and why he left the church. And then they went back at a certain point and gave everything up again. Then they got back out again of the religion. This time it was for good. And when they got out, they started learning all about the whole Swinger world. They do talk about

how they were oblivious to like all the stuff that was going on outside of the Mormon community. And once they realized it was, they got interested in him. They started having conversations. And they talk about how like one thing led to another. And eventually they were at their first Swinger club. And then they went to others. They've been to on, you know, Swinger vacations. They've had a unicorn. They give very specific great reviews for different places. Like they talk about the Green Door in Vegas. They talk about Scarlet Ranch in Denver. They talk a little bit about resorts.

And they were like interesting. They're little critiques of places. So if you want some information and reviews, they give good ones. And then they give great stories about stuff that they've done, stuff that they've done together. They do have their own podcast called Undressed Conversations. I will put a link to it.

It's on YouTube and on any podcast platform. I also have picks of them over on my page. John. But anyway, it's such a super interesting story. So I'm going to get right to be right back on with Mark and Tanya. Hi, Mark and Tanya. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you guys today? Doing good. We're great. So listen, I don't have to change your voices because you guys have your own podcast, right? You're starting and you just started it. It's new. But we're going to get the, we're going to get the long, I mean, we're not going to get the short story here. I'm going to grill you like Judge Judy. It's I am going to get your story. But people, if they want,

want more of you could get that over here on your podcast because that's what you do over there. You're sort of documenting what you guys do and all that kind of good stuff. Why don't you give a shout out to your show and where they could find you first? And I'll put a link to it in the description if you want, okay? Perfect. So we have a podcast called Undressed Conversations. We're on Apple, Spotify, everywhere you can find it. We also have a YouTube channel with the same name.

Awesome. Undressed Conversations. On just conversations. Okay, awesome. That's a good name. Okay, so listen, you guys are, uh, Mormons gone wild, right? Yeah. Yeah, we like to cut, I say I went on Rumspringer. On what? Rumshringa. It's like an Amish thing, but I was about the best of the Mormon religion as well. Like, I just went out. Oh, wild. Oh, okay. I never heard of that. Okay, cool. So how long have you guys been together as of now? we've been together 32 years you're kidding you guys sound young to me yeah well we're 48 okay but you still you sound younger than 48 to me

so you but you've been together forever forever okay did you do all the weird Mormon things like before you were married because you couldn't like have sex no did you have sex? That caused a lot of problems yes we did and that caused a lot of problems early on is because there was a lot of guilt around that I wasn't a good Mormon that ever disclosed

that to anybody. I just kept it all hidden. I lied. But you did what you wanted to do and you just kept it a secret because you knew it was like frowned upon. But let me ask you this. Did you feel bad about what you were doing? No. I did. I had a lot of guilt. You did, right? Because it was my entire structure in the way I've been raised since birth. Yeah, that's how that's why I ask. It's, it's a very confusing kind of place to be because this is all put on you. But you have your own brain and some part of you is like, I could just do whatever the fuck I want. Like so you have both things going on at the same time, Which can be confusing. Yeah, and I was sexually abused.

That turned everything on at a very young age for me, so I was really conflicted. Yeah, and then you're just going to act out sexually for sure. I mean, that's the path that a lot of people go down. And what about you, Tanya? Were you, I mean, obviously he's having sex before you get married, you're having sex too. Well, and I wasn't Mormon. I converted when I was in my 30s, or late 20s. Because of Mark?

Yes. We spent midlife between maybe 15 and 30 being non-Mormon because I left and found my own and then went back just because I needed some guidance in my life because alcohol had taken over and I kind of needed some help and that's the only thing I knew. So I went back for a period of time and just took a second helping of whatever that was to help you. Oh, well, or well, did it help you like stay sober? It did. It did. It helped me for that, yeah. Yeah.

I'm a sober person. I got sober when I was 34 and, you know, I did AA for like six months and then I I never did it again and I've been sober for over 20 years. But like it was great that it was there for me in the beginning because you're pretty lost when you quit. You know what I mean? Like it's like you need it. You need help, you know?

So wherever you could get it is great and that's great that it was there. Let me ask you a quick question. Why did you leave before you went back when you quit drinking? When I left when I was 15, I left just because it was pushed on me so hard that I just I was going to do anything but that because I was so sick and tired of having to have. having that be my entire identity from my parents, my family. I hated it the whole time. And then finally I was to a point where I could start choosing.

And when I could choose, I chose to leave. And then you met me who was not Mormon. And yeah. Let me ask you this about the abuse that you had when you were little. Did you tell people or did you keep it a secret? No, it came out when I was about 13 or 14 years old. It came out. And that was another thing that I recently, in the last year,

I just started telling the story. but, you know, I hit it my whole life. I didn't even tell Tanya the extent of it until maybe a year and a half, two years ago. I didn't tell her what happened. I didn't say anything about it. But how was it received when you were 13 or 14 and you put it out there within the community? I would assume, you know, that's a weird thing for them to take on. My parents hit it.

They talked to our bishop and he said, don't say anything. It was another member of our church that did it to me. And so they hit it. And I recent, like I said, I didn't even know all this until less than a year ago, the extent of everything that happened. Oh, of course, of course. That's the kind of stuff that you might black out, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And so that probably didn't, that probably only furthered your cause to get the

fuck out the way you were treated when it did come out, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. When it came out, I was, they were not supportive at all. I was, you know, I didn't get the help I wanted. I was just a troubled child and they did never even address the abuse. Yeah, terrible. And I mean, that should have put everything together for them of why you were a troubled child. You know what I mean? And why everything was going on. You know, it should have finally made sense right when they got that information, don't you think? It should have, but they did nothing. They didn't tell the counselor about it. They didn't tell, they just marks a bad, troubled kid and he needs to get straightened out. But they didn't talk about the elephant in the room.

And I, you know, that was crazy to me to learn that. There's reasons for it. Kids, I really believe, you guys have kids yourself? We do. Yeah. I mean, kids are born kind of perfect. You know what I mean? And if a kid is acting out and crazy, like something had to have happened. It doesn't just, that's not like a personality type. You know what I mean? Like that's like, uh, that's like trauma most likely. And it comes from somewhere for sure. I acted out.

I was one of three fucking high schools. Okay. Like connect the dots. Like I wasn't, uh, that wasn't for no reason. I wasn't doing that for fun, you know? It's like that. And alcohol like you, I had to quit too. I mean, that's a big thing that a lot of people that have like that kind of backstory will

run to. Have you been sober ever since? Or did you go back to drink? thinking like were you able to manage it like what's your story there yeah okay in 2022 everything kind of fell apart again and so our story really started about 2020 and we kind of left the church that's where it picked up again and in 22 i we were in mexico and had a had a decent time and so i'm not i'm not sober now but it's not the problem it was 15 years ago we don't do the things that we did back then it's responsible that's great i mean listen that's that you know yourself right i mean you knew

yourself, you knew when it was time to quit it and that when it wasn't right for you and you know now, I'm assuming you have your feet on the ground and you know that you could handle it now and you can. Not everybody needs to stay off of it for the rest of their lives. Okay, so now how do you guys go from, okay, so you meet outside of the church because you're already out of the church when you meet Tanya, correct? Yeah, I'm kind of in it. My parents are forcing it on me, but I'm not, I'm not in it in any way that I wanted to be. Do you have to do a whole formal? like letter thing and write like to just get out of like how do you is it like a big process to get out of it so we did in 2020 that's when we finally learned a whole bunch of stuff the internet came about tick

talked came about and about the same time i'm learning that my church is completely false and everything's made up oh my i'm also learning about other sexual freedom because we're reading this book called swing from nationally rinalt and it just like all at the same time i lost religion and found sexual freedom because when religion's not there to tell me I can't do these things and that I'm bad for thinking these things. We just went on and we're like, what do we really believe now? We need to decide for ourselves what the boundaries are. Your church would be like you went from like, you know, the angel to the devil.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, they think, yeah, I'm definitely going to hell if there is one. We've got three different levels. I'm not too worried about it. At the last minute, I'll just pull the old seat. I'll get into at least the bottom level. Oh my God. But wait, so did you not have the internet growing up? Because how does the internet become a thing in 2020? I mean, the internet was a thing like way before that. No, it wasn't that. It was really TikTok because we got on the TikTok. We're all at home. We're watching videos and these people. And all of a sudden it starts connecting us through algorithms and realizing that, okay, you're Mormon, here's some information. And all of a sudden because you're Mormon, you fall onto the ex-Mormon side and they start showing you all the other information. And that's where I first learned that, that, things like swingers and sex clubs existed because the only experience that we had had until

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And we were like, this is crazy. Does that stuff happen? When we read the book, we're like, this stuff is absolutely for real. Yeah. And wait, let me ask you this. Were you watching porn ever in your life or was that a big no-no and you never did it? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

My favorite story about that is, is I was watching porn. I ended up with a VHS back in the mid-90s. And I accidentally, I was pleasuring myself one day and apparently got caught up in the moment and post-nut clarity never hit. And I didn't take the thing out of the VCR. So it's queued up perfectly. And my mom walks in one day, pushes play, finds that thing. And she's like, who did this?

And there's only two kids in the house that could have done it. But we had friends. And I was like, it definitely had to have been one of my friends. friends left that in there. She bought that excuse and that's the story she knows to this day. Yeah, because she needed to buy that excuse. You know, people of a certain generation. She needed to because, yeah, people of a certain generation. Yeah, people of a certain generation, like, were masters in denial. I sometimes wish I had that ability. You know what I mean? To just sweep shit under the rug and pretend it never happened and not look at reality. And that's how

they dealt, you know, a whole generation. It just, you know, my parents were like that, you know, it's a sign, you know, they're your parents are way older than you, you know. We're always going to be more evolved than our parents. Our children are going to be more evolved than us. We're all grown up. We all grew up in different times, you know. So that's why she was never going to be able to believe that it was yours. It was much better that you gave her the excuse.

That's what she wanted. We never even addressed any of that stuff for the rest of my life. Of course. We didn't talk about sex. I grew up with one testicle because of about age six, about the same time I was sexually abused. I lost because of a hernia or something. And we didn't even talk about that. I had to get into high school to figure out what was going on when everybody's talking about

their nuts. And I was like, excuse me? Why? Because you didn't have two and you didn't know or like what the fuck? No, and nobody really explained anything about what happened. I just knew when I was six. I went in for surgery a couple times. And then when I got out, they didn't really tell me what happened.

So I grew up with one testicle and everybody's talking about this. And not until you get into middle school and you start showering and everybody starts talking about their, you know, their genitals and stuff. And all of a sudden here, I'm. I'm like, this doesn't jive. And so I had to go to my parents and be like, what is going on here? And then am I going to be able to have kids? Yeah.

And did it lock anything up or no? No, no. Obviously, you have kids right. No, no. Yeah, it was all good. Okay. Oh, my God. Yeah, I knew a kid who lost one of his balls when he was younger.

We used to call him Willie One Nut, sorry. Yeah, I usually just get the nickname Uni. But he lost it like while we were all playing. So that's how we all knew. I mean, typically you don't have that. that information, you know, but our whole block new. Wait a second. So, okay, so you leave, so now TikTok comes on. You see all these Mormons that are like telling you the other side of things, right? And it starts to make sense to you. And now by this time, Tanya, had you already

converted? So yeah, I had been in it for since 2007, 2008. How does it feel to be on the other side of that and then getting into it? So I was never a full believer. I never was 100% converted. I did a lot of it because I was all, you know, I kind of grew up being a people pleaser. And so, and it, that's, I pretty much was just doing it for him. Yeah, okay. She hid everything. And I, I hid coffee from him.

I had. Really, you're not allowed to drink coffee as a Mormon? No, you can't have coffee. Tell me some other crazy rules. That's crazy to me. Oh, you have to wear the underwear. You have to wear the special underwear. What do you?

Yeah, they call them garments. When you go through the temple, you, you know, you go through the temple, you get endowed and then you wear these special underwear and you have to wear them all the time unless you're having sex or showering basically and they're the most disgusting hideous thing ever. Why though? What's the purpose of them? To keep like sex away?

It's a reminder to the promises you made in the temple. So it's a reminder of they call it their your covenants. Meaning like this is protecting you don't open this up. This is covering your genitals. Your genitals are not for anyone they're underneath these ugly things.

What it really is is a serious source of control. It is. It's control and it's to make you feel extremely unsexy. Yeah, that's what it sounds like, of course. And the underwear is for both men and women? Yeah, you can Google it.

There's pictures of it. But if you want to look sexy, the Mormon religion is not for you. You do not get to wear fancy bra and panties to look sexy. That's by design, of course, if they don't want you to fuck. I mean, like, that's actually like smart to do, right?

Like put on the grossest granny panties and no one's going to want to do anything. What other kind of crazy? I've never heard some of these things. Sorry, like everyone listening wants to probably get to your swinging stories, but like, I'm a naturally curious person so I can talk about that shit for hours. Can you just tell me like one or two other crazy things? I don't that I wouldn't know that the, because I didn't know about the masturbation is totally taboo. It's absolutely not allowed. Oral sex is not something that you're supposed to be doing. Even when you're married? Yeah. Yeah. It's very much frowned upon. It's basically straight up missionary sex lights off. Oh, you can't have phectomies. They're frowned on. Oh. Wait, now let me ask you this. Is it a no. in fact that like everybody's having oral sex and guys are getting blow jobs and women like or do you really believe that most people

follow these rules? What do you think? No, nobody's following them. The only thing is they'll hide it. I mean, they're doing things anal sex is very commonplace, oral sex. You know, fifth base is a thing. Soaking is a thing in the Mormon religion. Have you heard of soaking? Let me just tell you something about soaking. Don't knock until you try it.

I had a boyfriend who wasn't Mormon, but he was a weirdo and he would just like put his dick in it and he'd be like, I can't fuck you. And he would put it in and he wouldn't move and it was like the hottest thing. I was like, oh my God, if he moved for even one second, we called it the halfway in game, that's what I called it with my friends. But it was kind of like soaking and I'm like, and my friends would be like, why the fuck do you do that with him, Kathy? I'm like, it's kind of hot when he's just sitting there in the temptation of it not being allowed. And then when he'd even cough in the slightest move,

it would be so fucking hot that I would play the halfway in game with other guys moving forward. Like, you don't understand. It's kind of like tease in denial, you know? I love it. Yeah, that's what soaking is, right? Yeah. And then the cool thing is that's like a Mormon's first introduction to threesomes because if you get a friend, you can get a jumper while you're soaking and then technically you're not having sex.

So that's true. I heard of that. So explain that. So like you and you're in your girl, like you put it in and you just sit there and then you get your jumper friend to jump on the bed so that it moves so that you're not moving. As long as you're not moving, you're not actually doing anything wrong. I mean, there's all kinds of loopholes. Oh my God, doesn't that sound so fucking nutty?

And isn't it crazy how? I mean, because you sometimes, like, I think of, like, the Holocaust. Like, how did somebody get people to believe that, like, you could just go kill people? Like, you know, it's like crazy making. But, like, really, people can be brainwashed very easily. You know what I mean? Like, like, these are, like, the most lunatic sounding things, yet so many people buy into them, you know, and you're raising it and everything. And it's not like, and I feel like it could happen to anybody.

Yep. And you're not going to convince me that when you sexually repress people this much, it's not just going rampant inside there. The only thing is, is nobody talks about it. That's why you see bishops that get these stories from these kids that, you know, have broken their sin or stuff, you know, and they'll quiz them deeply about all the details because it's kind of a perverted little thing that goes on. And that's why you see so many teen pregnancies in the Mormon religion. I mean, yeah. When I heard that, I remember the first time a Mormon girl came on and told me, this whole thing. For people that are listening

that don't know, like you do have to go if you did masturbate or do anything sexual and you have to confess and they will grill you like I'm grilling people but even more

to get the details and I'm like what the fuck kind of weird kink is that? Yeah. Why do you need the details? These men are probably not having the relationships

they want at home and this is just a way for them to some of them I'm not going to say this is everybody but some of them are definitely filling a fantasy

with this stuff. Well, why else would you need every little detail of like what went down? For real. Like if you really think about it logically, if this has to do with religion and you're not allowed to do that, it just doesn't make sense that you would need the naughty details unless, you know, it's just the weirdest rules and regulations that somebody put together. I would love to have been at that meeting when they wrote all this shit down. I mean, were they like, do we think people are going to believe this nonsense?

Because it sounds so crazy. And now? They're still making it up as we go today. Oh, really? They're still having those meetings? It changes all the time. It changes all the time. What they believe and what they, you know, why can you drink, not going to drink coffee,

but you can have a Red Bull. You know, drink hot chocolate that's got caffeine and it's hot. You know, I mean, none of it makes any sense. So there's no Starbucks in, like, Mormon areas? Well, I mean, yes, there is. Yeah, you can do stuff. Mormons just can't partake of it unless it's something else, but they can get all jacked up on Red Bull and that's fine. Yeah.

Oh, my God, I love it. Okay. So let's get to your naughty side. Okay. Now that your devil's side, you left that. So you get on to TikTok, you leave the church. This is 2020. Is that when it starts?

Yeah, right about 2020. Okay, so you guys tell me the story from there. So what happened is, again, I was on TikTok and I found this lady, Ashley Rinald, I think, is the author of a book called Swing. And she had an e-book. She was self-publishing, and I got it. And I was on this 32-hour road trip across the country without Tanya. And so I was listening to the book, and that just started a text conversation between her and us. And I'm like, you will not believe the things that she's saying exist.

I was like, I was blown away. And so we started having a conversation about that. She's like, you know, it's just those questions like, well, would you ever go to a place like that? What do you think about that? And we really started talking. And it was one question led to another. And then we get into the, what's your fantasies? What's the, what's something that you wish we did more of or we haven't done in a while that you really miss?

And we really started talking and getting into all the deep details of what we like to sexually. And it was, I remember trying to, you know, we decided we wanted to try and talk dirty because we used to do this stuff back when we were on Rum Spring and not part of the Mormon church before we got to 30 and then 30 to. We buttoned down. Yeah, we buttoned down and basically lost all our sexuality. Yeah. Okay. And but we still had this, this ache in us and we had that because we weren't going to church in our youth before kids. We would go to strip clubs. You know, we had nipples. We had nipples. We were absolutely on rumspring. And then, basically buttoned down when they had kids got back and

the church, and now we're finally feeling this freedom again as our kids get older. Yeah. And we're just, and so we start talking and finding out all the details and talking to each other, because we used to watch porn together and in the early days, but then we didn't. We had a bucket of stuff

and we went back to church. We threw the whole bucket of DVDs, toys, everything out. Tim, if you were going to take it seriously. Yeah, I was taking it seriously, and Tanya's like, I cried a little bit that day. Tanya. But Tanya definitely is a people pleaser. She's just like all long for the ride and does whatever you want.

Yeah. Tanya's so nice. And we started talking about all the stuff and, you know, it's like, do you watch porn? And she's like, yeah, actually I do. I have, I've had an account on Adam E. Vodd forever. And I'm like, really? And she's like, I can share the login with you. And then they had a history of everything she had watched so I could go back and see what she was interested in.

And that opened up more conversations because it's like, oh, you like this type of porn. What's this? Why do you like this? What do for you? Yeah, well, listen. And, you know, like, throw all the Mormon stuff and everything that we talked about out of this conversation. Your story can also be very relatable to even a vanilla couple, right? Who first gets together trying all kinds of fun things, right?

Then has kids. Like, sex goes out the window because it's like, you know, you're just focused on your kids. A woman, it's hard to, like, you know, be sexy at that time when they're, you know, and then they get a little bit grown up. You start to get, come back to yourself. And then all it takes is. kind of having these conversations and opening up about what you're into. And the next thing you know on my show, you're fucking swinging, hot wiping, you know, you name it. It can happen. Okay. So what was she looking at? Were you surprised by anything, Mark? No, it was a lot of lesbian stuff. And I was good

with that. Like, I was pretty okay with that. Neither one of us at that point in time was interested in looking at males because she hadn't even really realized or learned how to appreciate the male form at that time in her life. Okay. Interesting. What does that mean? Well, he he had been the only guy that I've been with. Okay. So, and I just really didn't appreciate the male form. Like, I didn't give him the attention that I should have. Like, I, I didn't have the confidence of myself to do blow jobs. And so I just didn't do it because I wasn't confident in it. And I was very insecure. And that just, I just withdraw away from it. So it was things like, you know, she would never appreciate. like my cock or anything. She would never talk about it. She would shower with me. She would look at it, but it was never like looking at my crotch and being like, oh my gosh, I have to have that right now. And blow jobs were definitely something that reserved for once a month during her period. I was like, now is my chance. Maybe I'm going to get one in this month. Would she swallow?

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She's like, no, we're just going to take care of this mess right now. Okay, good. Okay, good. So when she did it, she did it. But she didn't, wasn't doing it often and everything. No, it was never voluntary. It was never, you know, she never salivated for it. Like, now that's what happens.

Like, she's ripping clothes off. She's like, let me add it. Like, it's just a totally different woman. It is. Okay, keep telling the story of how she returns into that woman. So read the book. We have this long. conversation and during this road trip we start you know learning how to use dirty emojis and talking to

each other with dirty emojis rather than saying some of the stuff but I was like you know what why don't we just start cussing why will you not say things like fuck I couldn't say fuck she's like I'm like you just need to say it I need to hear you type it first do something but I want to hear you say fuck and I don't know how you never even said it in anger no interesting that's isn't it so pleasurable now that you can I mean there's something about saying like fuck off or fuck you know what I mean that like really or you know, fuck me. Like that really feels good. Yeah.

What are you going to say during sex when you start talking when you're not going to use these dirty words? But you say like, it just makes it just makes it so much more enjoyable when you say, just take me over and fuck me hard. Like, I mean, that's just,

it's just, it's, it's free. Yeah, it's free. Yeah. So did she take to that immediately when you said, hey,

let's like start sort of talking more explicitly to each other? Yeah, She did. And then, you know, when we got home, we started practicing these things in the bedroom and we're like, let's actually talk during sex. Let's leave the lights on. Let's look at each other. Let's appreciate what we're doing. Yeah.

And it was a game changer. Yeah. Can you believe? Yeah. So I would, yeah, I'd start talking to her and, you know, during sex, which we never did. We didn't talk. There was zero communication. Her eyes were shut.

Mine were open because I'm visual and that was it. You know, we fought over the lights. Well, and let's just put it. This is very all very common normal. stuff, you know. Yep. Okay. But let's just put this in there, too, that I didn't have an orgasm for like 20 years.

Wow. I was unable to have a vaginal orgasm. Could you have clitoral ones? Could you have? Yeah, I could do the clitoral ones. Okay. But you never had vaginal ones through regular sex. And would you play with your clit while that was happening or uses something on it to

get off? Yeah. Actually, I had to do it. It was all made like true oral. Yeah, oral sex was pretty much how she did it. She wouldn't do anything with me because she felt very, very embarrassed to touch yourself, as did I. I did a few times, but it wasn't like a frequent flyer move. Okay. It was more like, hey, why don't you touch yourself on it? Because I really liked it,

but she felt embarrassed. Just like I never touched myself in front of her. Well, what's kind of interesting is like, Tanya, you were kind of like made to meet a Mormon man at some point until you were able to come into your own because it was kind of like, it sounds like you were like, you weren't raised in that community at all, but yet you were very repressed sexually within yourself anyway. You know, it's kind of interesting. Yeah, I didn't masturbate until. Yeah, I didn't masturbate until after we were married. Yeah. So like, yeah, so you were like right on board with all their traditions. That's why you

were easy to follow along. And then she gets hooked up with a guy that's basically a little circus monkey. Yeah, yeah, and he pulled me into the and it was amazing. Okay, so what's that transition? So it's like, it's going, it's happening like in real life, right? Like this is like how it goes and I've heard it

before, you know? It's just the talking and the communicating and like one step leads to another. Like, you know, keep going with where, you you know, what happens after you start talking explicitly with each other? Well, so then we moved to Florida and he's like, so you know those clubs? Oh, they're all over Florida. Yeah.

He's like, you know, there's a real thing. He's like, do you think you'd ever go to one with me? And I'm like, yeah, sure. And so we moved to Florida and we end up going to one in Jacksonville. Yeah. And so he did reconnaissance on it. He went there during the day to see where it was. That's harsh.

I was like, I was total of T. And I was like, I got to know all the deeds. We researched like Joe, you get to show up early because they got to give you the tour in some places. Yeah. So one day, it was about six months after we moved there because we had the intent to go there, but just got busy with life and never went. But right before Christmas in 2021. Yeah. Yeah, we finally made the time to go up to Jacks from where we were living in St. Augustine and go to this club called Club Kink.

And that was just like. Wow. I mean, we were speechless at first time. We were just like, oh my gosh. It was a lot to take in because they're walking you around the club, telling you these things and they're like, oh yeah, this happened. There's a great big orgy over here last weekend.

And you're like, no, does this really? I mean, I'm still a little doubtful. I'm going to be honest. There are people really this free that they're just going to do these things. Yeah. And then the club opens and it gets to be about 10 o'clock and we finally got, you know, start getting a little freer and wandering around and talking to a couple.

And, you know, before we know it, here we are in this bedroom where another couple's doing something off in the side, and they're like, oh, just come in here and we felt safe enough. You know, nobody can come in. We knew the rules and, you know, it was a little bit obscured so some people could see in and we like that. Here all of a sudden, we're like, we're into it.

Wow. First time in. It didn't plan on it. First time, we're just like, first time, probably an hour and a half after the club really opens, we're like, okay, let's just do this thing. Yeah, and it was a parallel play situation where they were on one side of the bed and we were on the other side of the bed. And, but it was man, we loved it.

The exhibitionism, yeah, that's us. That's, it was extremely erratic. So you liked being in the open doing it, having people able to watch you. Did you also enjoy watching that other couple that was playing in tandem with you? It was, it was exciting, but we weren't so much into that. We were just into the vibe that this could happen. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. So now, was there any kind of weird guilt because of like your background?

Not at that time. No, by that time I was pretty much over it. I was like, nope, I'm good with this. I mean, I felt guilt by society because it's still not something that society totally understands. Yeah, even in the swing. They're like, oh, you're having orgies and stuff. And we're like, we're actually kind of on the other end of the book end. Yeah. We're just tame. We like parallel play. We like to enjoy the atmosphere, talk to people, meet new people. But, you know, swapping still isn't really one of our things. We just really love having sex in front of people and being in that environment. Yeah, and I love couples like that because I feel like that that really allows other people. to know that that's an option too. You know, maybe like the majority of people are not going to go so hardcore and want to have orgies or even want their partner to go with somebody else. But you can, there's other things you can do to spice things up. Well, and we, the thing is, we have dabbled.

We have dabbled. We've, we've soft swapped. We've tried to have swaps, and it's just never really work. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of, yeah, meeting the right people. And it's just one of those things that never really has. has happened for us. So, you've tried it.

You've tried it, but it's never happened in a fun way, is what you're saying? Yeah. Yes. There's always been something weird about it. And when you have 32 years of history with somebody and you still really absolutely love and adore them, you're like, they're just going to let anybody in. Yeah. Yeah, I get that.

We're probably a little closed off, maybe. We've met some really good people and had good experiences with other people and traveled. Well, and to be honest, you know, I value the fact that he's the only dick I've had. And it's kind of hard for me to want another one. So, I mean, it's just, it's just who I am. And that's okay. What about girls? Because you were watching all that lesbian porn.

Like, was there ever a part of you that wanted to go live out that fantasy in real life? Yes. Yes. And we have dabbled in that as well. Okay. And we did have a, yeah. We've had some good experiences. So why don't you walk me through like some of your firsts in this, like, what, you

know, after that first time at the place, you know, what goes down after? After that, when do you have your first lesbian experience, like that kind of stuff? So we did dabble with the Three Fun app. We did meet a couple. And oddly enough, we later found out that this couple was cheating on their partners with each other and swinging. Oh, my God. So they were a couple, but they were in other couples separately. Like, oh, my God.

On that ship alone. Yes. Yes. But she was the first one that I had my first intimate woman-woman experience with. So how was that for you? It was it was nerve-wracking. Overwhelming. Yeah.

Overwhelming or underwhelming? It was surreal. It was one of those where it was almost like, is this really happening? Yeah. Yeah, I got it. But was it hot for you? Did you enjoy it? It is.

I enjoyed it. Yeah, I went down on her and I did enjoy it. And she's like, you're really good. And I'm like, I have no idea what I'm doing. but it was fun. It was fun. Okay. Didn't it make you want to do it again?

Yeah. And have you? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Is it easier to find unicorns and couples to swap with? Yes. Yes.

For us. And Mark, do you enjoy that watching that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's not a part of it. I mean, that's every guy's fantasy. And if there's some women's out there listening, every single Mormon boy ever has, like, if you're a warm-blooded American male, you've dreamed of this.

You know what? is the other thing that most guys have dreamed of that people don't realize is watching his girl fuck somebody else. That's almost more of a fantasy than the two girl thing. I'm telling that's his. He has a fantasy. We have fantasies about males, but it's just not

something we've journeyed into yet. We just haven't found the guy. Listen, I think women are why. I'm like you. I couldn't just go and meet a guy in two seconds and fuck him. You know what I mean? Like I would have to go to someone that I like knew before that I was already turned on by or someone that I developed

something with and it's hard to do when you're already coupled up like what guy is going to be around you enough for you to develop that kind of connection with him because that's what women need a lot of times most women you know it's not like you're so abnormal most women need some sort of connection to get horny for a guy it's very different well and women need the safety and that's me i i need the safety and that's why he he's my protector and he always has been and so if i find another man that i feel safe with. It's a possibility that it could happen, but it's just something that it hasn't happened yet. Yeah, and you'd have to get to know that person. And that's why it's like a little bit, you know, harder to find because you're already paired up. Like, you know, what guy you're going to be

hanging around with that long enough to feel that way, you know? Exactly. You're most likely not going to feel that way in 10 minutes of meeting somebody for a drink, you know. If she ever went that far, I would think it would be somebody that she's had a long history, but there's a lot of communication and contact. Yeah. You know, that's a big deal for her. I wasn't a virgin when I started dating her, so it wasn't as big a deal for me. I'm already a chewed piece of gum.

Ah, ha, ha, ha. You know, it wasn't as big a deal. I'm not giving anything up when we've had these experiences and we both get something out of it. So it's really pleasurable for both of us. So now, let me ask you this, Mark, when she's playing with the girl, do you do anything as well? Or do you sit and watch or do you soft, like, touch a girl? Because I'm assuming you don't have sex with the girl. Oh, no, I do.

Oh, you do? Okay, so that's okay. That's on the table. Tanya. Yeah, for Tanya. Yeah, Tanya hasn't had a problem with that. She just really likes me being her one and only. She'd, and because we're so connected, she feels safe. She knows I'm not looking for anything. This is just, this is just seasoning on a... It's a little spice. It's a little spice. It's nothing. I'm not looking for a relationship. There's nothing wrong with that. Listen, tons of guys that I know that have the hot wiping scenario. Like, they don't want to do anything with anybody else. They just want to see their girl with another guy. They're completely happy with their one woman, right? They're not. They're not. not looking for that variety and plenty of women roll that way too and tanya is one of them like she doesn't need any more dick she's finally like just into yours but she likes women every now and then i mean so like who's gonna complain about tanya yeah that's totally fine my need we both enjoy that i mean when we finally realized that we love looking at women together that was like a subbrother's moment did we just become best friends again and she lets you have sex with them like i mean come on yeah and We've only had one unicorn that we've had a couple experiences with.

I'm still not. It's not like I've had numerous partners. I've had three, but we've had great experiences. And we're really, because of that 32 year history, we're looking for experiences where it's not just a one-off. It's just not our style.

So when you guys go to clubs, you're typically just doing like parallel play and stuff like that. You're not doing it. You're not piling onto any of the orgies that are happening. We love to get the party started. Uh-huh. Yeah, we love to just get out there.

Like, so we have a club. in Denver. It's the Scarlet Ranch, and it's freaking amazing. The best one is America. Wait, say the name and tell people where it is so that they know. The Scarlet Ranch in Denver is hands down the best club I have been to in the entire year.

How come? Pitch it. Why is it so great? Well, okay, first of all, they have Friday night, Saturday night, where the Friday night's a little bit slower. Saturday night is when they have their big event. But then the cool thing is on Sundays, they have the Sunday Fonday, where from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m., they open up the club, and they have any,

amazing outside area where you can lay outside and tan naked and just have sex outside. And they have an amazing playroom. They have a restaurant on site so you can dine there with really good food, like a really, really good chef. But the playroom is amazing. They have a group room that has four beds and then couches all around it. They have private rooms, semi-private rooms, like six of them. They have an open shower.

Like, this place is amazing. And so we actually went there on Sunday this past week. week and we went there for the Sunday fun day and tanned outside for like four hours because it was like seven degrees in Denver. It was amazing. And then we went inside, went to the playroom and we started the fun for everybody. Yeah, it was empty when we walked in there. And that's one of the things we're like, okay, nobody's here. We don't really care. We'll just do our thing before we know it. There's couples around the edge watching. And I can't describe the place well enough, but it's just luxurious. It's like a really well done bat cave with kind of exposed rock and stuff that

lights underneath the bed. It's the most. sexy. Wait, the room where everyone plays? Yeah, the playroom downstairs is just immaculate. I've never seen anything like it anywhere. Interesting. And what kind of people show up there, just from people from all over the country? Yeah, so Kendall Seaford is the guy that owns it.

We met him Sunday, talked to him, and he said, you know, one of the things he focuses on is keeping away the singled guys because we've been to the green door in and out. That place is terrible in Vegas, probably one of the worst in the country. Oh, you're kidding. I've heard about that place a lot. It's awful. The single guys just ruin it. So he focuses on married couples.

They only let so many single guys in. He says, if we get too many single guys, I'd just double the price. It's not here for them. But what he said he built it for is for couples. He said, what you'll find here is more couples interacting with each other than actual swinging, just coming here for a great time, really sexy environment, a place where they can be free. And some people swing, but a lot of people are just here for that reconnection. And he said, I just created an environment where the women feel safe and then the men come.

And it is such a good, like, hunting lodge experience. It's like a hunting lodge. They take your coat to have ballet in the summer. Like, this place is nice. Yeah, I'm looking at pictures, by the way. It's like a whole resort kind of it looks like. It is. It's amazing.

Yeah. It's better than secrets, honestly. Well, you don't stay there, though. They don't have any place for you to stay, but there's a hotel that's like five minutes away. Yeah. And so all you have to do is either Uber there or just drive there. There's plenty of parking. Yeah, they give it on the, on the, that's why.

I was wondering why they have, because they had, like, when you're talking, I'm looking at all their pictures, and they have a part where it's like our partner hotels. And I'm like, why do they're, where they're telling people about hotels nearby? That's what I was thinking. Maybe you can't stay on there. And that's why they have on their website, all the hotels that are in the area. Yeah, five minutes away, you have, there's a convenience store right down the street. So if you need alcohol for package liquor to bring in, there's hotels, real nice staybridge hotel, five minutes away that's easy to get Uber's to and from. So, you know, No risk of drinking.

How did you hear about it? We just, I think we just Googled clubs in Denver. Because it's close to us. Oh, because it's close to where you are now. You're not in Florida anymore? No. We're in Wyoming again. Oh, okay.

So we're crazy Wyoming people like, what's the chances of finding some wild people in a state with only half a million? So you go, so you found this place and you hit the jackpot? Mm-hmm. You've been down there four times now. It's the closest one that's really nice and we've just really enjoyed it. Interesting. I love it. I like giving my listeners, like information on different places. Like people have talked about, is it Red Door or Green Door that you just talked about in Vegas? Oh, the green door and Vegas is so bad. That was the worst experience we've ever had in our entire life.

Because what? Could you just explain? I know you said the single guys, but like what's wrong with the single guy? Like, is it like that it's all just single guys and no couples are women? Yeah. Okay. When you go into a club and the doormons like, I got, there's only two couples in there and five singles or something. That's a sign. and just turn around, walk away and be like, okay, this isn't my kind of place. But that's what we're like, okay, we've come here, we're going to check this place out. So we get in there and we're thinking, oh, this will be like any other experience. So we get in there, we have a bag. We're getting ready to put on the scene.

We kind of chain the door. We didn't want anybody in there with us. We were just going to, you know, basically be exhibitionists, do our thing. And the guys start gathering immediately. It's like freaking moster flame, freaking flies on shit. They were all over that door pushing at the, pushing at the chain. you know, I thought they were going to get in a fight outside. They're making a bunch of noise and I turned around to them and I said, you know, I mean,

if you guys want to see something, you're going to have to shut the fuck up. And the one of the guy says, well, you shut the fuck up. And I was like, we're done here. I walked over there. And this guy was on something. I thought that was the first time I was going to have to lay somebody out in the sex club. Yeah, no, no, no. That person should have been kicked out way before you had to say anything.

These guys were so, they were so, I mean, the pure carnal, it was the worst side of sex that you could ever imagine. Yeah, that's terrible. And that was the first club that I felt unsafe at. Like, I felt like a piece of meat. Like they were just like. Yeah, it was terrible. That's so the antithesis of what I've ever heard. Because really like, you know, unfortunately for men, uh, the swinger world is a woman's world, right? Everyone goes by the women sort of like rule, right? It's like, and they're the most protective. Because if you think about what's actually happening and how women feel most comfortable to let loose and have fun. They have to feel very safe. That word that Tanya used already. And, you know, you're, so everyone has to be on their best behavior, especially the men. And to have like a

bunch of lettrous guys being so aggressive like that in a place where women at their most vulnerable, you know what I mean? Most likely with no clothes on and whatever. Like, it's horrifying to me. I'm surprised, you know, that they would even allow that. Yeah, us too. Yeah. We left. Yeah. We left. We will never be back. Okay. So tell me some about some other stuff that you've done. You go to, like, you love this place, Scarlet Ranch. Yeah, uh-huh. I mean, don't let me forget to, well, let me ask you this real quick and then we'll get back to your naughty stories, but like, do you have a relationship with your family after you left the church? Oh, yeah. Last year, I went down to Costa Rica and did ayahuasca, and that's kind of what set

some of the stuff in motion. What kind of stuff? That's what kind of uncovered some of my sexual abuse and how it was handled. That's why I said a year ago. It was like, and I really learned about how everything was handled. The memories came up. It brought the memories up for you. Interesting. And so we started doing all that stuff. And since then, my parents, when I went to them,

that was the first time we'd ever talked about the sexual abuse. And I got back. I said, I want to talk about this. And I said, okay. And the last thing I talked to my dad about is when he said, so you went down to Coast Creek. I had your little epiphany. How much longer do we have to talk about this?

And that's the first time we'd ever talk about it in 40 years. And I'm like, I walked. said we never have to talk about it again. I walked out and I haven't seen him since. Wow. Yeah, I don't think, unfortunately, I don't think that they'll ever be able to.

And like I said, it's their own limitation from like their generation, their sort of evolution, you know, and I learned that about my parents at some point. I was like, you know what? I'm just like more evolved than my parents.

And that is actually the way it's supposed to be. You know what I mean? Like your parents grew up in fucking a way different time. than you did. That was way more behind when you did. So of course they're going to be behind you. And then you're, and same with your children. Your children are going to be more evolved than you and be like, what the fuck's your problem at some point, right? Because they're being raised in a much more open society. You know, and that's just the way that it is. So they're now and, you know, those people are never going to change. Those people didn't believe in therapy. Like it wasn't, it wasn't in their time.

It wasn't available for them. They weren't living in reality. They were taught to live in denial. you know what I feel for those people because it's just it's a whole generation I'm just saying it's just not just your parents you know what I mean yeah I agree no they're stuck and I you know their whole identity is religion and what we're talking about does not fit with their identity I hope that someday they actually hear this and actually know who their son is because they don't even know who I am yeah that's sad but this is what I say because sometimes people say like oh you know your people on your show like when I used to have a YouTube channel I got thrown off YouTube by the way well I had 57,000 followers in there where you get like 500. thousand downloads. Each of my episodes would get like 30,000 listens in the first two days, and like they fucking threw me off. I hate YouTube. But they, I would get a lot of comments there and I love those kinds of things. I like that interaction. And a lot of people would be like, oh, would these people tell their parents what they're doing? I'm like, well, you know what? Like, if you really think about it, like nobody really tells their parents what they do in the bedroom. And I don't even think it's their business. Like nobody wants to know.

Vanilla people don't go to their parents and say, hey, by the way, I just want you to know, Like we just do like, you know, missionary style. One time I, sometimes I fuck my wife in the ass, you know. Like this isn't happen in vanilla relationships either. So Swinger parents don't need to know that you're fucking doing this. Your parents don't need to know. It's a private. You know, you could be, you know, putting it out there to other adults and like-minded people and to teach them and for other people who are on your journey.

But what parents need to know about anybody's sex life? Nobody. You know what I mean? So I wouldn't think, expect your parents to ever. hear this or want to know this because like my parents wouldn't want to know about my vanilla sex life. You know what I mean? It's nobody, like I said, it's nobody's business.

Not to say that, listen, I'm having the same conversations you are have, but it's not certainly to out people to let their parents know what they're doing behind closed doors because most parents don't know what's happening. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, and I wasn't saying that I want them to hear like all the stories. I'm just saying to know that their son is, you know, who I am.

I just don't feel like they know who I really am. you know that I am adventurousome and maybe they do I don't know well listen don't they know that you got the fuck out of the church and then came back and I mean I think they might have your number and she's not like you know don't they know that you drank and quit drinking like don't they know all those things about you there's a lot of stuff they don't know yeah yeah I know yeah I know listen it's hard and I you know it's it's it's tough when you have something like that and it's put down by your family or just you know I get it but anyway so we have like a good 10 minutes left if you want to tell any more good stories that you have, that you guys have

experienced, things that you've done that, like, you know, you want to tell people about? Yeah, I think we've done so much, you know, we've had great experiences. And I think one of the things that we've really liked to do is just travel, you know, one of the hedonism, we've got a trip to him, you know, after we're going to go to Desire Pearl, I think. Have you been to other places already? Yeah, we've been to hedonism two, three times. we've been to Secrets in Kissimmee two or three times.

Which ones do you guys recommend? I like that you give your opinions about places. So, hedonism, if you want the vacation feel, hedonism is amazing. There's great people there. The vibe is really good. And the party vibe, like, it's pretty amazing. Secrets is good if you want something stateside.

They have a really, really nice pool, really nice playroom, really nice atmosphere. The old, the secret's the old motel with the, windows that you can view in, that is amazing. Oh, really? Because we can just like perp walk around the perimeter. Yeah. Oh, really?

And you like that because you're a little exhibitionists. Exactly. So people can have their hotel windows open, you know, like, you know, where they got the big glass window and you're just kind of walking on the balcony. Basically, what everybody does walk around, see what's going on in rooms. And the people that want to be watched have their curtains open. The doors open. The doors open if they want people to come in. And it's just kind of neat.

Yeah. Interesting. So what like your experiences when you go to these kinds of places, are you typically like just going and playing in the playrooms with each other or do you sometimes hook up with other women? We did bring the unicorn to secrets one time. That was fun. We took her to the playroom. We had her in her room. And we in the pool. We played in the pool. We had a lot of fun with her. So that was fun. But other places we've we've had some trouble in Jamaica because the first time I went. there I got way too stoned. It was the first time I'd ever smoked marijuana. I didn't realize that one joint was not one serving when you're new. Oh my God, when you bugging out? I greened out. I forgot how to move for a while and ruined the day. Did that freak you out at all? Or were you, were you able to enjoy? Because I don't like to get two stone. That would freak me out if I couldn't fucking move. I was catatonic. I wasn't sure if I knew how to move, how to talk. All I could do is just barely

shake my head. We have photos of it. I was just trying to keep my shit together. Yeah, but a professional stoner wouldn't be able to enjoy that. You know what I mean? That's what it's all about. Okay, so go on. You really have tried at all, ayahuasca, you're smoking weed. Yeah. So then the third time we went, or was it the second time, that was when I started drinking again, and then I got rum punched. Started drinking at 11 o'clock in the morning just with our tumblers and stuff. And it was doing really good until about 5 o'clock. And all of a sudden, the heat of the day and all the drinks and just everything all

at once. I was in the pool. And Tanya looked at me and she's like, are you okay? And I'm like, and the lifeguards had to come a drag me out of the pool. And we got back to the hotel. You're like a lightweight. All over again. The biggest scene in the world, Paula, my angel had to come in and save me.

And she was like singing in the rain. I'm projecting out of vomiting. everywhere. I could not hold my shit together to even say the least. And I'm just like, I'm such a piece of shit. And Paula's like, no, these things are- Who's Paula? You keep saying Paula. You can't say Paula. Paula? You're saying Paula. And then Paula

was like, who's, who you- Oh, Paula was the housekeeper that came in and Tony was trying to help me like. I'm thinking that like, because you told me that Tanya and, you know, whatever your name is, it was your real name. So I'm like, why all of a sudden you're saying Tanya? Paula, like,

I miss the. Yeah. So the, the Lifeguards got me back to the room. Then I proceeded to pass out, woke up, started, like, vomiting everywhere all over the bed. The housekeeper shows up and says, do you need any help? And Tanya's like, actually. Actually, I can use some help. Oh, my God. The most amazing thing is that everything that we do, there's so much that's unexpected.

And you just have to learn to go with the flow and have zero expectations because once you have zero expectations, you'll have an amazing time. We've not amazing people, had great experiences. we've done a lot of kissing and stuff, which is always super fun. Making out with people. Making out of people and groping. Last question. Has there ever been any kind of jealousy when you've seen your partner with somebody else or any kind of that kind of stuff between the two of you?

Not for me. Not for him, but for me. So the first time we got to, okay, the first time we got together with the unicorn, and she's very patient. She's very kind. She's very easygoing. But there was a time where I did get. jealous of her. And then I just, I basically, we were in the pool at Secrets. And I'm like, I just,

whoa, like, just. She had a mini meltdown. I'm like, this is a lot. Things are, because we were really making out in the pool. And it was getting hot and heavy. And, but then I was watching him make out with her. And that's when it was like, who, whoa, whoa. Yeah, of course. These things could happen all the time. You never know. Yeah. And so we just took a step back. And we just kind of sat and had a few drinks and and talked about it a little bit and and she was just very understanding and she's like this is you're driving I'm not doing anything that you don't want to do like she was very very good so and then yeah after a couple hours we just got back into it and then we've had great experiences with her ever since yeah listen I mean even the most professional swingers every now and then you know the jealousy might

rear its ugly head for no rhyme or reason you know what I mean you just never know it could be the way the wind blew that day that you might feel a little weirded out by something that you've done a million times. The most important thing is that you got your partner there, you're super close, you talk about it, and you go on. I mean, it sounds like you guys are like so connected. You've been together and been through so much together. You know what I mean? That nothing's going to break you. You got your best friend, it sounds like, to just talk about it. And you guys work through it with a conversation. Yeah, we talk a lot. These experiences are just, they're just extras. they're spice, they're the icing on the cake, they're not a necessity for us to move on together.

Yeah. Yeah. In fact, we just completed the sex challenge. We did the weekly sex challenge. We were you supposed to have sex twice on Sunday. And we ended up, let's see, where were you? 18 times for a week. Oh my God.

Who gives that sex challenge out? Where does that come from? Us. We just did it. It was just us. We just made it up. Yeah, we were like every day and twice on Sundays. We're just going to do the challenge.

Can we do it eight times in the week? And we did 18. We're pretty proud. Well, listen, you come a long way from going to Mormon church on Sundays to fucking all the time on Sundays. You know what I mean? Your Sundays at Desert Ranch are now very different than your Sundays that they used to have, you know? Pretty much. Yeah, it's crazy.

So listen, I love your story. You guys were great to talk to. It's so fascinating everything that we talked about. I could have talked about just your Mormon background for five hours. But why don't you give people all the information again of where they could find your podcast and any kind of social media stuff if you want? as well in your YouTube channel. Yeah, we're everywhere. So undressedconversation.com and then YouTube.

It's undressed conversations or conversation, plural. We own both websites. But yeah, anywhere undressed conversations, it's a picture of us. You'll see us, hopefully. We're on TikTok. We have a TikTok for undressed conversation as well. Or we talk about things that we don't talk about

on the YouTube channel, the long format stuff. Just funny, little stupid shit that married couples do. Oh, my God, love it. Okay, listen, I'll put the link to, what do you want to put the link to your website, or to your podcast in there. Oh yeah, just put it to the podcast, the YouTube channel,

whichever you're comfortable with, it'll be great. Okay, awesome. And then do me a favor for my Patreon, send me some picks if you want, so you said, like, your picks are out there. And when you hang up with me, you'll get, like, from my calendar link,

you'll get access to my Discord. It's a link that you'll get. It's a private Discord. We've already got it. Oh, you're already in? Oh, okay. We're good. Okay, good.

So, and you could post when your episode goes out, I'll give you, tell me what your name is over there, and I'll give you, access if you want to post in there as well. But feel free, okay, I always tell people, content creators of any kind, you know, make sure to put the link to your podcast and your website and your YouTube channel in your bios there. And you could definitely tell people, go check us out.

You know what I mean? You can't, I mean my Discord where you can't put links and stuff because people were spamming, but you could put your links to your stuff in your bio and feel free to tell people to check out your podcast there and advertise it there wherever you want, okay? Okay. All right. you guys were great. Thanks so much for calling in. All right. Thanks much.

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