1405 - Mark & Tonya Went from Being Mormon to Becoming Swingers
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03:20anyway today i have a super interesting episode i was like fascinated by this couple i had a million questionsfor them. Dave and Tanya called in. They have a Mormon background. Actually, Dave was Mormon. Tanya wasn't. Sheconverted into Mormon. They were in and out of the religion. We talk about some crazy stuff thatgoes on within that religion. We talk about Marx past when it came to sex and sexual repression for himand abuse. And we talk about Tanya's past. And we talk about also when they got together and how theyrolled when they like left the church and why he left the church. And then they went back at a certainpoint and gave everything up again. Then they got back out again of the religion. This time it was forgood. And when they got out, they started learning all about the whole Swinger world. They do talk about
04:09how they were oblivious to like all the stuff that was going on outside of the Mormon community. Andonce they realized it was, they got interested in him. They started having conversations. And theytalk about how like one thing led to another. And eventually they were at their first Swinger club. And thenthey went to others. They've been to on, you know, Swinger vacations. They've had a unicorn.They give very specific great reviews for different places.Like they talk about the Green Door in Vegas.They talk about Scarlet Ranch in Denver.They talk a little bit about resorts.
04:39And they were like interesting.They're little critiques of places.So if you want some information and reviews,they give good ones.And then they give great stories about stuff that they've done,stuff that they've done together.They do have their own podcast called Undressed Conversations.I will put a link to it.
04:55It's on YouTube and on any podcast platform.I also have picks of them over on my page.John. But anyway, it's such a super interesting story. So I'm going to get right to be right backon with Mark and Tanya. Hi, Mark and Tanya. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you guys today?Doing good. We're great. So listen, I don't have to change your voices because you guys haveyour own podcast, right? You're starting and you just started it. It's new. But we're going to get the,we're going to get the long, I mean, we're not going to get the short story here. I'm going togrill you like Judge Judy. It's I am going to get your story. But people, if they want,
05:29want more of you could get that over here on your podcast because that's what you do over there.You're sort of documenting what you guys do and all that kind of good stuff.Why don't you give a shout out to your show and where they could find you first?And I'll put a link to it in the description if you want, okay?Perfect.So we have a podcast called Undressed Conversations.We're on Apple, Spotify, everywhere you can find it.We also have a YouTube channel with the same name.
05:56Awesome.Undressed Conversations.On just conversations. Okay, awesome. That's a good name. Okay, so listen, you guys are, uh, Mormons gone wild, right? Yeah. Yeah, we like to cut, I say I went on Rumspringer. On what?Rumshringa. It's like an Amish thing, but I was about the best of the Mormon religion as well. Like, I just went out. Oh, wild. Oh, okay. I never heard of that. Okay, cool. So how long have you guys been together as of now?we've been together 32 yearsyou're kidding you guys sound young to meyeah well we're 48okay but you still you sound younger than 48 to me
06:32so you but you've been together foreverforever okay did you do all the weird Mormon things likebefore you were married because you couldn't like have sexnodid you have sex? That caused a lot of problemsyes we did and that caused a lot of problems early onis because there was a lot of guilt around thatI wasn't a good Mormon that ever disclosed
06:52that to anybody. I just kept it all hidden. I lied. But you did what you wanted to do and you justkept it a secret because you knew it was like frowned upon. But let me ask you this. Did you feel bad aboutwhat you were doing? No. I did. I had a lot of guilt. You did, right? Because it was my entirestructure in the way I've been raised since birth. Yeah, that's how that's why I ask. It's, it's a veryconfusing kind of place to be because this is all put on you. But you have your own brain and some part of youis like, I could just do whatever the fuck I want. Like so you have both things going on at the same time,Which can be confusing.Yeah, and I was sexually abused.
07:24That turned everything on at a very young age for me, so I was really conflicted.Yeah, and then you're just going to act out sexually for sure.I mean, that's the path that a lot of people go down.And what about you, Tanya?Were you, I mean, obviously he's having sex before you get married, you're having sex too.Well, and I wasn't Mormon.I converted when I was in my 30s, or late 20s.Because of Mark?
07:49Yes.We spent midlife between maybe 15 and 30 being non-Mormon because I left and found my own and then went back just because I needed some guidance in my life because alcohol had taken over and I kind of needed some help and that's the only thing I knew.So I went back for a period of time and just took a second helping of whatever that was to help you.Oh, well, or well, did it help you like stay sober?It did.It did.It helped me for that, yeah.Yeah.
08:15I'm a sober person.I got sober when I was 34 and, you know, I did AA for like six months and then II never did it again and I've been sober for over 20 years.But like it was great that it was there for me in the beginning because you're prettylost when you quit.You know what I mean?Like it's like you need it.You need help, you know?
08:31So wherever you could get it is great and that's great that it was there.Let me ask you a quick question.Why did you leave before you went back when you quit drinking?When I left when I was 15, I left just because it was pushed on me so hard that I justI was going to do anything but that because I was so sick and tired of having to have.having that be my entire identity from my parents, my family.I hated it the whole time.And then finally I was to a point where I could start choosing.
08:57And when I could choose, I chose to leave.And then you met me who was not Mormon.And yeah.Let me ask you this about the abuse that you had when you were little.Did you tell people or did you keep it a secret?No, it came out when I was about 13 or 14 years old.It came out.And that was another thing that I recently, in the last year,
09:17I just started telling the story.but, you know, I hit it my whole life.I didn't even tell Tanya the extent of it until maybe a year and a half, two years ago.I didn't tell her what happened.I didn't say anything about it.But how was it received when you were 13 or 14 and you put it out there within the community?I would assume, you know, that's a weird thing for them to take on.My parents hit it.
09:36They talked to our bishop and he said, don't say anything.It was another member of our church that did it to me.And so they hit it.And I recent, like I said, I didn't even know all this until less than a year ago,the extent of everything that happened.Oh, of course, of course. That's the kind of stuff that you might black out, right?Yeah, yeah.Yeah, for sure. And so that probably didn't, that probably only furthered your cause to get the
10:01fuck out the way you were treated when it did come out, right?Oh, yeah, yeah. When it came out, I was, they were not supportive at all. I was, you know,I didn't get the help I wanted. I was just a troubled child and they did never even addressthe abuse. Yeah, terrible. And I mean, that should have put everything together for them of why youwere a troubled child. You know what I mean? And why everything was going on. You know, it shouldhave finally made sense right when they got that information, don't you think? It should have,but they did nothing. They didn't tell the counselor about it. They didn't tell, they just marks a bad,troubled kid and he needs to get straightened out. But they didn't talk about the elephant in the room.
10:35And I, you know, that was crazy to me to learn that. There's reasons for it. Kids, I really believe,you guys have kids yourself? We do. Yeah. I mean, kids are born kind of perfect. You know what I mean?And if a kid is acting out and crazy, like something had to have happened.It doesn't just, that's not like a personality type.You know what I mean?Like that's like, uh, that's like trauma most likely.And it comes from somewhere for sure.I acted out.
10:58I was one of three fucking high schools.Okay.Like connect the dots.Like I wasn't, uh, that wasn't for no reason.I wasn't doing that for fun, you know?It's like that.And alcohol like you, I had to quit too.I mean, that's a big thing that a lot of people that have like that kind of backstory will
11:13run to.Have you been sober ever since?Or did you go back to drink?thinking like were you able to manage it like what's your story there yeah okay in 2022 everything kind offell apart again and so our story really started about 2020 and we kind of left the church that's where itpicked up again and in 22 i we were in mexico and had a had a decent time and so i'm not i'm notsober now but it's not the problem it was 15 years ago we don't do the things that we did backthen it's responsible that's great i mean listen that's that you know yourself right i mean you knew
11:43yourself, you knew when it was time to quit it and that when it wasn't right for you and you knownow, I'm assuming you have your feet on the ground and you know that you could handle it now and youcan. Not everybody needs to stay off of it for the rest of their lives. Okay, so now how do you guysgo from, okay, so you meet outside of the church because you're already out of the church whenyou meet Tanya, correct? Yeah, I'm kind of in it. My parents are forcing it on me, but I'm not,I'm not in it in any way that I wanted to be. Do you have to do a whole formal?like letter thing and write like to just get out of like how do you is it like a big process to get out of it so wedid in 2020 that's when we finally learned a whole bunch of stuff the internet came about tick
12:24talked came about and about the same time i'm learning that my church is completely false and everything'smade up oh my i'm also learning about other sexual freedom because we're reading this book called swingfrom nationally rinalt and it just like all at the same time i lost religion and found sexual freedombecause when religion's not there to tell me I can't do these things and that I'm bad for thinkingthese things.We just went on and we're like, what do we really believe now?We need to decide for ourselves what the boundaries are.Your church would be like you went from like, you know, the angel to the devil.
12:59Oh, for sure.Yeah, they think, yeah, I'm definitely going to hell if there is one.We've got three different levels.I'm not too worried about it.At the last minute, I'll just pull the old seat.I'll get into at least the bottom level.Oh my God. But wait, so did you not have the internet growing up? Because how does the internet become a thing in 2020? I mean, the internet was a thing like way before that. No, it wasn't that. It was really TikTok because we got on the TikTok. We're all at home. We're watching videos and these people. And all of a sudden it starts connecting us through algorithms and realizing that, okay, you're Mormon, here's some information. And all of a sudden because you're Mormon, you fall onto the ex-Mormon side and they start showing you all the other information. And that's where I first learned that, that,things like swingers and sex clubs existed because the only experience that we had had until
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15:54And we were like, this is crazy.Does that stuff happen?When we read the book, we're like, this stuff is absolutely for real.Yeah.And wait, let me ask you this.Were you watching porn ever in your life or was that a big no-no and you never did it?Oh, yeah.Yeah.
16:08My favorite story about that is, is I was watching porn.I ended up with a VHS back in the mid-90s.And I accidentally, I was pleasuring myself one day and apparently got caught up in the momentand post-nut clarity never hit.And I didn't take the thing out of the VCR.So it's queued up perfectly.And my mom walks in one day, pushes play, finds that thing.And she's like, who did this?
16:32And there's only two kids in the house that could have done it.But we had friends.And I was like, it definitely had to have been one of my friends.friends left that in there. She bought that excuse and that's the story she knows to this day.Yeah, because she needed to buy that excuse. You know, people of a certain generation.She needed to because, yeah, people of a certain generation. Yeah, people of a certain generation, like,were masters in denial. I sometimes wish I had that ability. You know what I mean?To just sweep shit under the rug and pretend it never happened and not look at reality. And that's how
17:01they dealt, you know, a whole generation. It just, you know, my parents were like that, you know,it's a sign, you know, they're your parents are way older than you, you know.We're always going to be more evolved than our parents.Our children are going to be more evolved than us.We're all grown up.We all grew up in different times, you know.So that's why she was never going to be able to believe that it was yours.It was much better that you gave her the excuse.
17:22That's what she wanted.We never even addressed any of that stuff for the rest of my life.Of course.We didn't talk about sex.I grew up with one testicle because of about age six, about the same time I was sexually abused.I lost because of a hernia or something.And we didn't even talk about that.I had to get into high school to figure out what was going on when everybody's talking about
17:42their nuts.And I was like, excuse me?Why?Because you didn't have two and you didn't know or like what the fuck?No, and nobody really explained anything about what happened.I just knew when I was six.I went in for surgery a couple times.And then when I got out, they didn't really tell me what happened.
17:55So I grew up with one testicle and everybody's talking about this.And not until you get into middle school and you start showering and everybody starts talkingabout their, you know, their genitals and stuff.And all of a sudden here, I'm.I'm like, this doesn't jive.And so I had to go to my parents and be like, what is going on here?And then am I going to be able to have kids?Yeah.
18:13And did it lock anything up or no?No, no.Obviously, you have kids right.No, no.Yeah, it was all good.Okay.Oh, my God.Yeah, I knew a kid who lost one of his balls when he was younger.
18:24We used to call him Willie One Nut, sorry.Yeah, I usually just get the nickname Uni.But he lost it like while we were all playing.So that's how we all knew.I mean, typically you don't have that.that information, you know, but our whole block new. Wait a second. So, okay, so you leave, so nowTikTok comes on. You see all these Mormons that are like telling you the other side of things,right? And it starts to make sense to you. And now by this time, Tanya, had you already
18:52converted? So yeah, I had been in it for since 2007, 2008. How does it feel to be on the otherside of that and then getting into it? So I was never a full believer.I never was 100% converted.I did a lot of it because I was all, you know, I kind of grew up being a people pleaser.And so, and it, that's, I pretty much was just doing it for him.Yeah, okay.She hid everything.And I, I hid coffee from him.
19:23I had.Really, you're not allowed to drink coffee as a Mormon?No, you can't have coffee.Tell me some other crazy rules.That's crazy to me.Oh, you have to wear the underwear.You have to wear the special underwear.What do you?
19:32Yeah, they call them garments.When you go through the temple, you, you know, you go through the temple,you get endowed and then you wear these special underwearand you have to wear them all the time unless you'rehaving sex or showering basically and they'rethe most disgusting hideous thing ever.Why though? What's the purpose of them? To keeplike sex away?
19:48It's a reminder tothe promises you made in the temple.So it's a reminder ofthey call it their your covenants.Meaning like this is protecting youdon't open this up. This is covering yourgenitals. Your genitals are not for anyonethey're underneath these ugly things.
20:04What it really is is aserious source of control.It is.It's control and it's to make you feel extremelyunsexy.Yeah, that's what it sounds like, of course.And the underwear is for both men and women?Yeah, you can Google it.
20:17There's pictures of it.But if you want to look sexy,the Mormon religion is not for you.You do not get to wear fancy bra and pantiesto look sexy.That's by design, of course,if they don't want you to fuck.I mean, like, that's actually like smart to do, right?
20:29Like put on the grossest granny pantiesand no one's going to want to do anything.What other kind of crazy?I've never heard some of these things.Sorry, like everyone listening wants to probably get to your swinging stories, but like, I'm a naturally curious person so I can talk about that shit for hours. Can you just tell me like one or two other crazy things? I don't that I wouldn't know that the, because I didn't know about the masturbation is totally taboo. It's absolutely not allowed. Oral sex is not something that you're supposed to be doing. Even when you're married? Yeah. Yeah. It's very much frowned upon. It's basically straight up missionary sex lights off. Oh, you can't have phectomies. They're frowned on. Oh. Wait, now let me ask you this. Is it a no.in fact that like everybody's having oral sexand guys are getting blow jobs and women like ordo you really believe that most people
21:11follow these rules? What do you think?No, nobody's following them. The only thing isthey'll hide it. I mean, they're doing thingsanal sex is very commonplace,oral sex. You know, fifth base is a thing.Soaking is a thing in the Mormon religion. Have you heard ofsoaking? Let me just tell yousomething about soaking. Don't knock until you try it.
21:30I had a boyfriend who wasn't Mormon,but he was a weirdo and he would just like put hisdick in it and he'd be like, I can't fuck you. And hewould put it in and he wouldn't move and it was like the hottest thing. I was like, oh my God,if he moved for even one second, we called it the halfway in game, that's what I called it withmy friends. But it was kind of like soaking and I'm like, and my friends would be like, why thefuck do you do that with him, Kathy? I'm like, it's kind of hot when he's just sitting there inthe temptation of it not being allowed. And then when he'd even cough in the slightest move,
21:56it would be so fucking hot that I would play the halfway in game with other guys moving forward.Like, you don't understand. It's kind of like tease in denial, you know?I love it.Yeah, that's what soaking is, right?Yeah.And then the cool thing is that's like a Mormon's first introduction to threesomesbecause if you get a friend, you can get a jumper while you're soaking and then technicallyyou're not having sex.
22:17So that's true.I heard of that.So explain that.So like you and you're in your girl, like you put it in and you just sit there and thenyou get your jumper friend to jump on the bed so that it moves so that you're not moving.As long as you're not moving, you're not actually doing anything wrong.I mean, there's all kinds of loopholes.Oh my God, doesn't that sound so fucking nutty?
22:37And isn't it crazy how?I mean, because you sometimes, like, I think of, like, the Holocaust.Like, how did somebody get people to believe that, like, you could just go kill people?Like, you know, it's like crazy making.But, like, really, people can be brainwashed very easily.You know what I mean?Like, like, these are, like, the most lunatic sounding things, yet so many people buy into them, you know, and you're raising it and everything.And it's not like, and I feel like it could happen to anybody.
23:03Yep. And you're not going to convince me that when you sexually repress people this much,it's not just going rampant inside there. The only thing is, is nobody talks about it.That's why you see bishops that get these stories from these kids that, you know, have broken their sin or stuff, you know,and they'll quiz them deeply about all the details because it's kind of a perverted little thing that goes on.And that's why you see so many teen pregnancies in the Mormon religion. I mean, yeah.When I heard that, I remember the first time a Mormon girl came on and told me,this whole thing.For people that are listening
23:35that don't know,like you do have to goif you did masturbateor do anything sexualand you have to confessand they will grill youlike I'm grilling peoplebut even more
23:44to get the detailsand I'm likewhat the fuck kind of weird kinkis that?Yeah.Why do you need the details?These men are probably nothaving the relationships
23:55they want at homeand this is just a wayfor them to some of themI'm not going to saythis is everybodybut some of themare definitelyfilling a fantasy
24:02with this stuff.Well, why else would you need every little detail of like what went down?For real.Like if you really think about it logically, if this has to do with religion and you're notallowed to do that, it just doesn't make sense that you would need the naughty detailsunless, you know, it's just the weirdest rules and regulations that somebody put together.I would love to have been at that meeting when they wrote all this shit down.I mean, were they like, do we think people are going to believe this nonsense?
24:26Because it sounds so crazy.And now?They're still making it up as we go today.Oh, really?They're still having those meetings?It changes all the time.It changes all the time.What they believe and what they, you know, why can you drink, not going to drink coffee,
24:39but you can have a Red Bull.You know, drink hot chocolate that's got caffeine and it's hot.You know, I mean, none of it makes any sense.So there's no Starbucks in, like, Mormon areas?Well, I mean, yes, there is.Yeah, you can do stuff.Mormons just can't partake of it unless it's something else, but they can get all jacked up on Red Bull and that's fine.Yeah.
24:57Oh, my God, I love it.Okay.So let's get to your naughty side.Okay.Now that your devil's side, you left that.So you get on to TikTok, you leave the church.This is 2020.Is that when it starts?
25:08Yeah, right about 2020.Okay, so you guys tell me the story from there.So what happened is, again, I was on TikTok and I found this lady, Ashley Rinald, I think, is the author of a book called Swing.And she had an e-book.She was self-publishing, and I got it.And I was on this 32-hour road trip across the country without Tanya.And so I was listening to the book, and that just started a text conversation between her and us.And I'm like, you will not believe the things that she's saying exist.
25:35I was like, I was blown away.And so we started having a conversation about that.She's like, you know, it's just those questions like, well, would you ever go to a place like that?What do you think about that?And we really started talking.And it was one question led to another.And then we get into the, what's your fantasies?What's the, what's something that you wish we did more of or we haven't done in a while that you really miss?
25:56And we really started talking and getting into all the deep details of what we like tosexually. And it was, I remember trying to, you know, we decided we wanted to try and talk dirty becausewe used to do this stuff back when we were on Rum Spring and not part of the Mormon church before wegot to 30 and then 30 to. We buttoned down. Yeah, we buttoned down and basically lost all our sexuality.Yeah. Okay. And but we still had this, this ache in us and we had that because we weren't going tochurch in our youth before kids. We would go to strip clubs. You know, we had nipples.We had nipples. We were absolutely on rumspring. And then,basically buttoned down when they had kids got back and
26:33the church, and now we're finally feeling thisfreedom again as our kids get older.Yeah. And we're just, andso we start talking andfinding out all the details andtalking to each other, because we used to watch porn togetherand in the earlydays, but then we didn't. We had a bucket of stuff
26:50and we went back to church. We threw the whole bucket ofDVDs, toys, everything out.Tim, if you were going to take it seriously. Yeah,I was taking it seriously, andTanya's like, I cried a little bit that day.Tanya. ButTanya definitely is a people pleaser.She's just like all long for the ride and does whatever you want.
27:06Yeah.Tanya's so nice.And we started talking about all the stuff and, you know, it's like, do you watch porn?And she's like, yeah, actually I do.I have, I've had an account on Adam E. Vodd forever.And I'm like, really?And she's like, I can share the login with you.And then they had a history of everything she had watched so I could go back and see what she was interested in.
27:23And that opened up more conversations because it's like, oh, you like this type of porn.What's this?Why do you like this?What do for you?Yeah, well, listen.And, you know, like, throw all the Mormon stuff and everything that we talked about out of this conversation.Your story can also be very relatable to even a vanilla couple, right?Who first gets together trying all kinds of fun things, right?
27:46Then has kids.Like, sex goes out the window because it's like, you know, you're just focused on your kids.A woman, it's hard to, like, you know, be sexy at that time when they're, you know, and then they get a little bit grown up.You start to get, come back to yourself.And then all it takes is.kind of having these conversations and opening up about what you're into. And the next thing you knowon my show, you're fucking swinging, hot wiping, you know, you name it. It can happen. Okay. So what was shelooking at? Were you surprised by anything, Mark? No, it was a lot of lesbian stuff. And I was good
28:18with that. Like, I was pretty okay with that. Neither one of us at that point in time was interested inlooking at males because she hadn't even really realized or learned how to appreciate the maleform at that time in her life. Okay. Interesting. What does that mean? Well, he he had been the only guy that I'vebeen with. Okay. So, and I just really didn't appreciate the male form. Like, I didn't give him theattention that I should have. Like, I, I didn't have the confidence of myself to do blow jobs. And so I just didn'tdo it because I wasn't confident in it. And I was very insecure. And that just, I just withdraw away from it.So it was things like, you know, she would never appreciate.like my cock or anything. She would never talk about it. She would shower with me. She would look at it, but it was never like looking at my crotch and being like, oh my gosh, I have to have that right now. And blow jobs were definitely something that reserved for once a month during her period. I was like, now is my chance. Maybe I'm going to get one in this month. Would she swallow?
29:20Yeah, she did. She's like, no, we're just going to take care of this mess right now. Okay, guys, let's talk about pleasing your woman. I know that. I know thatMost people think men are selfish in bed.But what I've learned from my show is that men love nothing more than to please their women.It's actually like the biggest turn on is to see their girl turned on.So why not learn something new that's going to totally blow your girl's mind in the bedroom?And you know where you're going to learn tons of new things?It's on beducated.Beducated.com is like the Netflix of.
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30:50take the beducated quiz to get your very own personalized roadmap to youryour sexual happiness. All you got to do is go to the description and click on the link and it'sgoing to take you directly to the quiz. That's right. It's that easy. All you got to do is go to thedescription, click on the link, take the quiz, and you're going to get your own personalized roadmapto your sexual happiness. And then go take some beducated courses. Your girl will be happy.Maybe I'm going to get one in this month.Would she swallow?Yeah, she did.
31:28She's like, no, we're just going to take care of this mess right now.Okay, good.Okay, good.So when she did it, she did it.But she didn't, wasn't doing it often and everything.No, it was never voluntary.It was never, you know, she never salivated for it.Like, now that's what happens.
31:43Like, she's ripping clothes off.She's like, let me add it.Like, it's just a totally different woman.It is.Okay, keep telling the story of how she returns into that woman.So read the book.We have this long.conversation and during this road trip we start you know learning how to use dirty emojis and talking to
32:01each other with dirty emojis rather than saying some of the stuff but I was like you know what why don'twe just start cussing why will you not say things like fuck I couldn't say fuck she's like I'm like you justneed to say it I need to hear you type it first do something but I want to hear you say fuckand I don't know how you never even said it in anger no interesting that's isn't it so pleasurable now thatyou can I mean there's something about saying like fuck off or fuck you know what I mean that like reallyor you know, fuck me.Like that really feels good.Yeah.
32:30What are you going to say during sex when you start talking when you're not going to usethese dirty words?But you say like,it just makes it just makes it so much more enjoyable when you say,just take me over and fuck me hard.Like,I mean,that's just,
32:44it's just,it's,it's free.Yeah,it's free.Yeah.So did she take to that immediately when you said,hey,
32:50let's like start sort of talking more explicitly to each other?Yeah,She did.And then, you know, when we got home, we started practicing these things in the bedroom and we're like, let's actually talk during sex.Let's leave the lights on.Let's look at each other.Let's appreciate what we're doing.Yeah.
33:06And it was a game changer.Yeah.Can you believe?Yeah.So I would, yeah, I'd start talking to her and, you know, during sex, which we never did.We didn't talk.There was zero communication.Her eyes were shut.
33:17Mine were open because I'm visual and that was it.You know, we fought over the lights.Well, and let's just put it.This is very all very common normal.stuff, you know.Yep.Okay.But let's just put this in there, too, that I didn't have an orgasm for like 20 years.
33:31Wow.I was unable to have a vaginal orgasm.Could you have clitoral ones?Could you have?Yeah, I could do the clitoral ones.Okay.But you never had vaginal ones through regular sex.And would you play with your clit while that was happening or uses something on it to
33:44get off?Yeah.Actually, I had to do it.It was all made like true oral.Yeah, oral sex was pretty much how she did it.She wouldn't do anything with me because she felt very, very embarrassed to touchyourself, as did I. I did a few times, but it wasn't like a frequent flyer move.Okay. It was more like, hey, why don't you touch yourself on it? Because I really liked it,
34:03but she felt embarrassed. Just like I never touched myself in front of her. Well, what's kind ofinteresting is like, Tanya, you were kind of like made to meet a Mormon man at some point until youwere able to come into your own because it was kind of like, it sounds like you were like,you weren't raised in that community at all, but yet you were very repressed sexually withinyourself anyway. You know, it's kind of interesting. Yeah, I didn't masturbate until. Yeah, I didn'tmasturbate until after we were married.Yeah. So like, yeah, so you were likeright on board with all their traditions. That's why you
34:29were easy to follow along.And then she gets hooked up witha guy that's basically a little circus monkey.Yeah, yeah, and he pulled me into theand it was amazing.Okay, so what's that transition? So it's like,it's going, it's happening like in real life, right?Like this is like how it goes and I've heard it
34:45before, you know? It's just the talkingand the communicating and likeone step leads to another. Like, you know,keep going with where, youyou know, what happens after you start talking explicitly with each other?Well, so then we moved to Florida and he's like, so you know those clubs?Oh, they're all over Florida.Yeah.
35:04He's like, you know, there's a real thing.He's like, do you think you'd ever go to one with me?And I'm like, yeah, sure.And so we moved to Florida and we end up going to one in Jacksonville.Yeah.And so he did reconnaissance on it.He went there during the day to see where it was.That's harsh.
35:21I was like, I was total of T.And I was like, I got to know all the deeds.We researched like Joe, you get to show up early because they got to give you the tour in some places.Yeah.So one day, it was about six months after we moved there because we had the intent to go there, but just got busy with life and never went.But right before Christmas in 2021.Yeah.Yeah, we finally made the time to go up to Jacks from where we were living in St. Augustine and go to this club called Club Kink.
35:47And that was just like.Wow.I mean, we were speechlessat first time. We were just like, oh my gosh.It was a lot to take in becausethey're walking you around the club, telling youthese things and they're like, oh yeah, this happened. There's agreat big orgy over here last weekend.
36:02And you're like, no, does this really? I mean, I'm stilla little doubtful. I'm going to be honest.There are people really this freethat they're just going to do these things. Yeah.And then the club opens and it gets to be about10 o'clock and we finally got,you know, start getting a little freer andwandering around and talking to a couple.
36:17And, you know,before we know it, here we are in this bedroomwhere another couple's doing something offin the side, and they're like, oh, just come in here and we feltsafe enough. You know, nobody can come in.We knew the rules and, you know, it was a littlebit obscured so some people could see in and we like that.Here all of a sudden, we're like, we're into it.
36:36Wow. First time in.It didn't plan on it. First time, we're just like,first time, probably an hour and a half after the club reallyopens, we're like, okay, let's just do this thing.Yeah, and it was a parallel play situationwhere they were on one side of the bedand we were on the other side of the bed.And, but it was man, we loved it.
36:52The exhibitionism, yeah, that's us.That's, it was extremely erratic.So you liked being in the open doing it, having people able to watch you.Did you also enjoy watching that other couple that was playing in tandem with you?It was, it was exciting, but we weren't so much into that.We were just into the vibe that this could happen.Yeah, yeah, I can imagine.So now, was there any kind of weird guilt because of like your background?
37:18Not at that time.No, by that time I was pretty much over it. I was like, nope, I'm good with this. I mean, I felt guilt by society because it's still not something that society totally understands. Yeah, even in the swing. They're like, oh, you're having orgies and stuff. And we're like, we're actually kind of on the other end of the book end. Yeah. We're just tame. We like parallel play. We like to enjoy the atmosphere, talk to people, meet new people. But, you know, swapping still isn't really one of our things. We just really love having sex in front of people and being in that environment.Yeah, and I love couples like that because I feel like that that really allows other people.to know that that's an option too.You know, maybe like the majority of people are not going to go so hardcore and want to haveorgies or even want their partner to go with somebody else.But you can, there's other things you can do to spice things up.Well, and we, the thing is, we have dabbled.
38:05We have dabbled.We've, we've soft swapped.We've tried to have swaps, and it's just never really work.It's a lot of work.It's a lot of, yeah, meeting the right people.And it's just one of those things that never really has.has happened for us.So, you've tried it.
38:22You've tried it, but it's never happened in a fun way, is what you're saying?Yeah.Yes.There's always been something weird about it.And when you have 32 years of history with somebody and you still really absolutely love andadore them, you're like, they're just going to let anybody in.Yeah.Yeah, I get that.
38:38We're probably a little closed off, maybe.We've met some really good people and had good experiences with other people and traveled.Well, and to be honest, you know, I value the fact that he's the only dick I've had.And it's kind of hard for me to want another one.So, I mean, it's just, it's just who I am.And that's okay.What about girls?Because you were watching all that lesbian porn.
39:01Like, was there ever a part of you that wanted to go live out that fantasy in real life?Yes.Yes.And we have dabbled in that as well.Okay.And we did have a, yeah.We've had some good experiences.So why don't you walk me through like some of your firsts in this, like, what, you
39:15know, after that first time at the place, you know, what goes down after?After that, when do you have your first lesbian experience, like that kind of stuff?So we did dabble with the Three Fun app.We did meet a couple.And oddly enough, we later found out that this couple was cheating on their partners with each other and swinging.Oh, my God.So they were a couple, but they were in other couples separately.Like, oh, my God.
39:40On that ship alone.Yes.Yes.But she was the first one that I had my first intimate woman-woman experience with.So how was that for you?It was it was nerve-wracking.Overwhelming.Yeah.
39:57Overwhelming or underwhelming?It was surreal.It was one of those where it was almost like, is this really happening?Yeah.Yeah, I got it.But was it hot for you?Did you enjoy it?It is.
40:12I enjoyed it.Yeah, I went down on her and I did enjoy it.And she's like, you're really good.And I'm like, I have no idea what I'm doing.but it was fun.It was fun.Okay.Didn't it make you want to do it again?
40:23Yeah.And have you?Yeah.Yes.Okay.Is it easier to find unicorns and couples to swap with?Yes.Yes.
40:31For us.And Mark, do you enjoy that watching that?Oh, yeah.Yeah, there's not a part of it.I mean, that's every guy's fantasy.And if there's some women's out there listening,every single Mormon boy ever has, like, if you're a warm-blooded American male,you've dreamed of this.
40:46You know what?is the other thing that most guys have dreamed ofthat people don't realize is watching his girlfuck somebody else. That's almost more of a fantasythan the two girl thing. I'm tellingthat's his. He has a fantasy.We have fantasies aboutmales, but it's just not
41:01something we've journeyed into yet. We just haven'tfound the guy.Listen, I think women are why. I'm likeyou. I couldn't just go and meet a guy in twoseconds and fuck him. You know what I mean? LikeI would have to go to someone that Ilike knew before that I was already turnedon by or someone that I developed
41:17something with and it's hard to do when you're already coupled up like what guy is going to be aroundyou enough for you to develop that kind of connection with him because that's what women need a lotof times most women you know it's not like you're so abnormal most women need some sort of connectionto get horny for a guy it's very different well and women need the safety and that's me i i need the safetyand that's why he he's my protector and he always has been and so if i find another man that i feelsafe with. It's a possibility that it could happen, but it's just something that it hasn't happened yet.Yeah, and you'd have to get to know that person. And that's why it's like a little bit, you know,harder to find because you're already paired up. Like, you know, what guy you're going to be
41:58hanging around with that long enough to feel that way, you know? Exactly.You're most likely not going to feel that way in 10 minutes of meeting somebody for a drink, you know.If she ever went that far, I would think it would be somebody that she's had a long history,but there's a lot of communication and contact.Yeah.You know, that's a big deal for her.I wasn't a virgin when I started dating her, so it wasn't as big a deal for me.I'm already a chewed piece of gum.
42:23Ah, ha, ha, ha.You know, it wasn't as big a deal.I'm not giving anything up when we've had these experiences and we both get something out of it.So it's really pleasurable for both of us.So now, let me ask you this, Mark, when she's playing with the girl, do you do anything as well?Or do you sit and watch or do you soft, like, touch a girl?Because I'm assuming you don't have sex with the girl.Oh, no, I do.
42:44Oh, you do?Okay, so that's okay. That's on the table. Tanya. Yeah, for Tanya. Yeah, Tanya hasn't had a problem with that. She just really likes me being her one and only. She'd, and because we're so connected, she feels safe. She knows I'm not looking for anything. This is just, this is just seasoning on a... It's a little spice. It's a little spice. It's nothing. I'm not looking for a relationship. There's nothing wrong with that. Listen, tons of guys that I know that have the hot wiping scenario. Like, they don't want to do anything with anybody else. They just want to see their girl with another guy. They're completely happy with their one woman, right? They're not. They're not.not looking for that variety and plenty of women roll that way too and tanya is one of them like shedoesn't need any more dick she's finally like just into yours but she likes women every now and then i mean solike who's gonna complain about tanya yeah that's totally fine my need we both enjoy that i meanwhen we finally realized that we love looking at women together that was like a subbrother's momentdid we just become best friends again and she lets you have sex with them like i mean come on yeah andWe've only had one unicorn that we've had a couple experiences with.
43:49I'm still not.It's not like I've had numerous partners.I've had three,but we've had great experiences.And we're really,because of that 32 year history,we're looking for experiences where it's not just a one-off.It's just not our style.
44:02So when you guys go to clubs,you're typically just doing like parallel play and stuff like that.You're not doing it.You're not piling onto any of the orgies that are happening.We love to get the party started.Uh-huh.Yeah,we love to just get out there.
44:13Like,so we have a club.in Denver. It's the Scarlet Ranch, and it'sfreaking amazing.The best one is America.Wait, say the name and tell people where it is so that they know.The Scarlet Ranch in Denver is hands down the best club I have been to in the entireyear.
44:27How come?Pitch it.Why is it so great?Well, okay, first of all, they have Friday night, Saturday night, where the Fridaynight's a little bit slower.Saturday night is when they have their big event.But then the cool thing is on Sundays, they have the Sunday Fonday, where from 11 a.m.to 8 p.m., they open up the club, and they have any,
44:44amazing outside area where you can lay outside and tan naked and just have sex outside.And they have an amazing playroom.They have a restaurant on site so you can dine there with really good food, like a really,really good chef.But the playroom is amazing.They have a group room that has four beds and then couches all around it.They have private rooms, semi-private rooms, like six of them.They have an open shower.
45:10Like, this place is amazing.And so we actually went there on Sunday this past week.week and we went there for the Sunday fun day and tanned outside for like four hours because it waslike seven degrees in Denver. It was amazing. And then we went inside, went to the playroom and westarted the fun for everybody. Yeah, it was empty when we walked in there. And that's one of thethings we're like, okay, nobody's here. We don't really care. We'll just do our thing before we know it.There's couples around the edge watching. And I can't describe the place well enough, but it's justluxurious. It's like a really well done bat cave with kind of exposed rock and stuff that
45:42lights underneath the bed. It's the most.sexy.Wait, the room where everyone plays?Yeah, the playroom downstairs is just immaculate.I've never seen anything like it anywhere.Interesting.And what kind of people show up there, just from people from all over the country?Yeah, so Kendall Seaford is the guy that owns it.
46:01We met him Sunday, talked to him, and he said, you know, one of the things he focuseson is keeping away the singled guys because we've been to the green door in and out.That place is terrible in Vegas, probably one of the worst in the country.Oh, you're kidding.I've heard about that place a lot.It's awful.The single guys just ruin it.So he focuses on married couples.
46:18They only let so many single guys in.He says, if we get too many single guys, I'd just double the price.It's not here for them.But what he said he built it for is for couples.He said, what you'll find here is more couples interacting with each other than actualswinging, just coming here for a great time, really sexy environment, a place where they can be free.And some people swing, but a lot of people are just here for that reconnection.And he said, I just created an environment where the women feel safe and then the men come.
46:43And it is such a good, like, hunting lodge experience.It's like a hunting lodge.They take your coat to have ballet in the summer.Like, this place is nice.Yeah, I'm looking at pictures, by the way.It's like a whole resort kind of it looks like.It is.It's amazing.
46:59Yeah.It's better than secrets, honestly.Well, you don't stay there, though.They don't have any place for you to stay, but there's a hotel that's like five minutes away.Yeah.And so all you have to do is either Uber there or just drive there.There's plenty of parking.Yeah, they give it on the, on the, that's why.
47:13I was wondering why they have, because they had, like, when you're talking, I'm looking at all theirpictures, and they have a part where it's like our partner hotels. And I'm like, why do they're,where they're telling people about hotels nearby? That's what I was thinking. Maybe you can't stayon there. And that's why they have on their website, all the hotels that are in the area.Yeah, five minutes away, you have, there's a convenience store right down the street. So if you needalcohol for package liquor to bring in, there's hotels, real nice staybridge hotel, five minutes awaythat's easy to get Uber's to and from. So, you know,No risk of drinking.
47:44How did you hear about it?We just, I think we just Googled clubs in Denver.Because it's close to us.Oh, because it's close to where you are now.You're not in Florida anymore?No.We're in Wyoming again.Oh, okay.
47:57So we're crazy Wyoming people like, what's the chances of finding some wild people in a state with only half a million?So you go, so you found this place and you hit the jackpot?Mm-hmm.You've been down there four times now.It's the closest one that's really nice and we've just really enjoyed it.Interesting. I love it. I like giving my listeners, like information on different places.Like people have talked about, is it Red Door or Green Door that you just talked about in Vegas?Oh, the green door and Vegas is so bad. That was the worst experience we've ever had in our entire life.
48:27Because what? Could you just explain? I know you said the single guys, but like what's wrong with the single guy?Like, is it like that it's all just single guys and no couples are women?Yeah. Okay. When you go into a club and the doormons like, I got, there's only two couples in there and five singles or something. That's a sign.and just turn around, walk away and be like, okay, this isn't my kind of place.But that's what we're like, okay, we've come here, we're going to check this place out.So we get in there and we're thinking, oh, this will be like any other experience.So we get in there, we have a bag.We're getting ready to put on the scene.
48:55We kind of chain the door.We didn't want anybody in there with us.We were just going to, you know, basically be exhibitionists, do our thing.And the guys start gathering immediately.It's like freaking moster flame, freaking flies on shit.They were all over that door pushing at the, pushing at the chain.you know, I thought they were going to get in a fight outside.They're making a bunch of noise and I turned around to them and I said, you know, I mean,
49:18if you guys want to see something, you're going to have to shut the fuck up.And the one of the guy says, well, you shut the fuck up.And I was like, we're done here.I walked over there.And this guy was on something.I thought that was the first time I was going to have to lay somebody out in the sex club.Yeah, no, no, no.That person should have been kicked out way before you had to say anything.
49:34These guys were so, they were so, I mean, the pure carnal, it was the worst side of sex thatyou could ever imagine. Yeah, that's terrible. And that was the first club that I felt unsafe at. Like,I felt like a piece of meat. Like they were just like. Yeah, it was terrible. That's so the antithesis of what I'veever heard. Because really like, you know, unfortunately for men, uh, the swinger world is a woman's world,right? Everyone goes by the women sort of like rule, right? It's like, and they're the most protective.Because if you think about what's actually happening and how women feel most comfortable to let loose andhave fun. They have to feel very safe. That word that Tanya used already. And, you know,you're, so everyone has to be on their best behavior, especially the men. And to have like a
50:19bunch of lettrous guys being so aggressive like that in a place where women at their mostvulnerable, you know what I mean? Most likely with no clothes on and whatever. Like, it'shorrifying to me. I'm surprised, you know, that they would even allow that. Yeah, us too. Yeah.We left. Yeah. We left. We will never be back. Okay. So tell me some about some other stuff thatyou've done. You go to, like, you love this place, Scarlet Ranch. Yeah, uh-huh. I mean,don't let me forget to, well, let me ask you this real quick and then we'll get back to your naughtystories, but like, do you have a relationship with your family after you left the church?Oh, yeah. Last year, I went down to Costa Rica and did ayahuasca, and that's kind of what set
51:01some of the stuff in motion. What kind of stuff? That's what kind of uncovered some of my sexualabuse and how it was handled. That's why I said a year ago. It was like,and I really learned about how everything was handled.The memories came up.It brought the memories up for you.Interesting.And so we started doing all that stuff.And since then, my parents, when I went to them,
51:21that was the first time we'd ever talked about the sexual abuse.And I got back.I said, I want to talk about this.And I said, okay.And the last thing I talked to my dad about is when he said,so you went down to Coast Creek.I had your little epiphany.How much longer do we have to talk about this?
51:35And that's the first time we'd ever talk about it in 40 years.And I'm like, I walked.said we never have to talk about it again.I walked out and I haven't seen him since.Wow.Yeah, I don't think,unfortunately,I don't think that they'll ever be able to.
51:51And like I said,it's their own limitation from like their generation,their sort of evolution,you know,and I learned that about my parents at some point.I was like,you know what?I'm just like more evolved than my parents.
52:03And that is actually the way it's supposed to be.You know what I mean?Like your parents grew up in fucking a way different time.than you did. That was way more behind when you did. So of course they're going to be behind you. And thenyou're, and same with your children. Your children are going to be more evolved than you and be like,what the fuck's your problem at some point, right? Because they're being raised in a much more open society.You know, and that's just the way that it is. So they're now and, you know, those people are nevergoing to change. Those people didn't believe in therapy. Like it wasn't, it wasn't in their time.
52:32It wasn't available for them. They weren't living in reality. They were taught to live in denial.you know what I feel for those people because it's just it's a whole generation I'm just saying it's just not just your parents you know what I mean yeah I agree no they're stuck and I you know their whole identity is religion and what we're talking about does not fit with their identity I hope that someday they actually hear this and actually know who their son is because they don't even know who I am yeah that's sad but this is what I say because sometimes people say like oh you know your people on your show like when I used to have a YouTube channel I got thrown off YouTube by the way well I had 57,000 followers in there where you get like 500.thousand downloads. Each of my episodes would get like 30,000 listens in the first two days,and like they fucking threw me off. I hate YouTube. But they, I would get a lot of commentsthere and I love those kinds of things. I like that interaction. And a lot of people would be like,oh, would these people tell their parents what they're doing? I'm like, well, you know what?Like, if you really think about it, like nobody really tells their parents what they doin the bedroom. And I don't even think it's their business. Like nobody wants to know.
53:31Vanilla people don't go to their parents and say, hey, by the way, I just want you to know,Like we just do like, you know, missionary style.One time I, sometimes I fuck my wife in the ass, you know.Like this isn't happen in vanilla relationships either.So Swinger parents don't need to know that you're fucking doing this.Your parents don't need to know.It's a private.You know, you could be, you know, putting it out there to other adults and like-minded people and to teach them and for other people who are on your journey.
53:56But what parents need to know about anybody's sex life?Nobody.You know what I mean?So I wouldn't think, expect your parents to ever.hear this or want to know thisbecause like my parents wouldn't want to knowabout my vanilla sex life. You know what I mean?It's nobody, like I said, it's nobody's business.
54:12Not to say that, listen, I'm having the same conversationsyou are have, but it's not certainly to out peopleto let their parents know what they're doing behind closed doorsbecause most parents don't know what's happening.You know what I'm saying?Yeah, and I wasn't saying that I want them to hear like all the stories.I'm just saying to know that their son is, you know,who I am.
54:30I just don't feel like they know who I really am.you know that I am adventurousome and maybe they do I don't know well listen don't they know thatyou got the fuck out of the church and then came back and I mean I think they might have your numberand she's not like you know don't they know that you drank and quit drinking like don't theyknow all those things about you there's a lot of stuff they don't know yeah yeah I knowyeah I know listen it's hard and I you know it's it's it's tough when you have something like thatand it's put down by your family or just you know I get it but anyway so we have like a good 10minutes left if you want to tell any more good stories that you have, that you guys have
55:07experienced, things that you've done that, like, you know, you want to tell people about?Yeah, I think we've done so much, you know, we've had great experiences.And I think one of the things that we've really liked to do is just travel, you know,one of the hedonism, we've got a trip to him, you know, after we're going to go to DesirePearl, I think.Have you been to other places already?Yeah, we've been to hedonism two, three times.we've been to Secrets in Kissimmee two or three times.
55:37Which ones do you guys recommend?I like that you give your opinions about places.So, hedonism, if you want the vacation feel,hedonism is amazing.There's great people there.The vibe is really good.And the party vibe, like, it's pretty amazing.Secrets is good if you want something stateside.
55:55They have a really, really nice pool, really nice playroom,really nice atmosphere.The old, the secret's the old motel with the,windows that you can view in, that is amazing.Oh, really?Because we can just like perp walk around the perimeter.Yeah.Oh, really?
56:11And you like that because you're a little exhibitionists.Exactly.So people can have their hotel windows open, you know, like, you know, where they got the big glass window and you're just kind of walking on the balcony.Basically, what everybody does walk around, see what's going on in rooms.And the people that want to be watched have their curtains open.The doors open.The doors open if they want people to come in.And it's just kind of neat.
56:31Yeah.Interesting. So what like your experiences when you go to these kinds of places, are you typically like just going and playing in the playrooms with each other or do you sometimes hook up with other women?We did bring the unicorn to secrets one time. That was fun. We took her to the playroom. We had her in her room. And we in the pool. We played in the pool. We had a lot of fun with her. So that was fun. But other places we've we've had some trouble in Jamaica because the first time I went.there I got way too stoned. It was the first time I'd ever smoked marijuana. I didn't realize that onejoint was not one serving when you're new. Oh my God, when you bugging out? I greened out. I forgothow to move for a while and ruined the day. Did that freak you out at all? Or were you, were you ableto enjoy? Because I don't like to get two stone. That would freak me out if I couldn't fucking move.I was catatonic. I wasn't sure if I knew how to move, how to talk. All I could do is just barely
57:31shake my head. We have photos of it. I was just trying to keep my shit together. Yeah, but a professionalstoner wouldn't be able to enjoy that. You know what I mean? That's what it's all about.Okay, so go on. You really have tried at all, ayahuasca, you're smoking weed. Yeah.So then the third time we went, or was it the second time, that was when I started drinking again,and then I got rum punched. Started drinking at 11 o'clock in the morning just with our tumblersand stuff.And it was doing really good until about 5 o'clock.And all of a sudden, the heat of the day and all the drinks and just everything all
58:05at once.I was in the pool.And Tanya looked at me and she's like, are you okay?And I'm like, and the lifeguards had to come a drag me out of the pool.And we got back to the hotel.You're like a lightweight.All over again.The biggest scene in the world, Paula, my angel had to come in and save me.
58:24And she was like singing in the rain.I'm projecting out of vomiting.everywhere. I could not hold my shit togetherto even say the least. And I'mjust like, I'm such a piece of shit. And Paula's like,no, these things are- Who's Paula? You keep saying Paula.You can't say Paula.Paula? You're saying Paula. And then Paula
58:40was like, who's, who you-Oh, Paula was thehousekeeper that came in and Tony was tryingto help me like. I'm thinking that like,because you told me that Tanya and,you know, whatever your name is, it wasyour real name. So I'm like, why all of a suddenyou're saying Tanya? Paula, like,
58:55I miss the. Yeah. So the, theLifeguards got me back to the room.Then I proceeded to pass out, woke up, started, like, vomiting everywhere all over the bed.The housekeeper shows up and says, do you need any help?And Tanya's like, actually.Actually, I can use some help.Oh, my God.The most amazing thing is that everything that we do, there's so much that's unexpected.
59:17And you just have to learn to go with the flow and have zero expectations because once you have zero expectations, you'll have an amazing time.We've not amazing people, had great experiences.we've done a lot of kissing and stuff, which is always super fun.Making out with people.Making out of people and groping.Last question.Has there ever been any kind of jealousy when you've seen your partner with somebody elseor any kind of that kind of stuff between the two of you?
59:42Not for me.Not for him, but for me.So the first time we got to, okay, the first time we got together with the unicorn,and she's very patient.She's very kind.She's very easygoing.But there was a time where I did get.jealous of her. And then I just, I basically, we were in the pool at Secrets. And I'm like, I just,
01:00:03whoa, like, just. She had a mini meltdown. I'm like, this is a lot. Things are, because we werereally making out in the pool. And it was getting hot and heavy. And, but then I was watching him makeout with her. And that's when it was like, who, whoa, whoa. Yeah, of course. These things couldhappen all the time. You never know. Yeah. And so we just took a step back. And we just kind of sat and had a fewdrinks and and talked about it a little bit and and she was just very understanding and she's like this isyou're driving I'm not doing anything that you don't want to do like she was very very good so and then yeahafter a couple hours we just got back into it and then we've had great experiences with her ever sinceyeah listen I mean even the most professional swingers every now and then you know the jealousy might
01:00:49rear its ugly head for no rhyme or reason you know what I mean you just never know it could be the waythe wind blew that day that you might feel a little weirded out by something that you've done amillion times. The most important thing is that you got your partner there, you're super close,you talk about it, and you go on. I mean, it sounds like you guys are like so connected. You'vebeen together and been through so much together. You know what I mean? That nothing's going to break you.You got your best friend, it sounds like, to just talk about it. And you guys work through it with aconversation. Yeah, we talk a lot. These experiences are just, they're just extras.they're spice, they're the icing on the cake, they're not a necessity for us to move on together.
01:01:28Yeah.Yeah.In fact, we just completed the sex challenge.We did the weekly sex challenge.We were you supposed to have sex twice on Sunday.And we ended up, let's see, where were you?18 times for a week.Oh my God.
01:01:41Who gives that sex challenge out?Where does that come from?Us.We just did it.It was just us.We just made it up.Yeah, we were like every day and twice on Sundays.We're just going to do the challenge.
01:01:50Can we do it eight times in the week?And we did 18.We're pretty proud.Well, listen, you come a long way from going to Mormon church on Sundays to fucking all the time on Sundays.You know what I mean?Your Sundays at Desert Ranch are now very different than your Sundays that they used to have, you know?Pretty much.Yeah, it's crazy.
01:02:06So listen, I love your story.You guys were great to talk to.It's so fascinating everything that we talked about.I could have talked about just your Mormon background for five hours.But why don't you give people all the information again of where they could find your podcast and any kind of social media stuff if you want?as well in your YouTube channel.Yeah, we're everywhere.So undressedconversation.com and then YouTube.
01:02:30It's undressed conversations or conversation, plural.We own both websites.But yeah, anywhere undressed conversations,it's a picture of us.You'll see us, hopefully.We're on TikTok.We have a TikTok for undressed conversation as well.Or we talk about things that we don't talk about
01:02:43on the YouTube channel, the long format stuff.Just funny, little stupid shit that married couples do.Oh, my God, love it.Okay, listen, I'll put the link to,what do you want to put the link to your website,or to your podcast in there.Oh yeah, just put it to the podcast,the YouTube channel,
01:02:57whichever you're comfortable with,it'll be great.Okay, awesome.And then do me a favor for my Patreon,send me some picks if you want,so you said, like, your picks are out there.And when you hang up with me,you'll get, like, from my calendar link,
01:03:08you'll get access to my Discord.It's a link that you'll get.It's a private Discord.We've already got it.Oh, you're already in?Oh, okay.We're good.Okay, good.
01:03:18So, and you could post when your episode goes out,I'll give you,tell me what your name is over there,and I'll give you,access if you want to post in there as well.But feel free, okay, I always tell people, content creators of any kind, you know, make sureto put the link to your podcast and your website and your YouTube channel in your bios there.And you could definitely tell people, go check us out.
01:03:38You know what I mean?You can't, I mean my Discord where you can't put links and stuff because people werespamming, but you could put your links to your stuff in your bio and feel free to tellpeople to check out your podcast there and advertise it there wherever you want, okay?Okay.All right.you guys were great. Thanks so much for calling in.All right. Thanks much.
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