Coach John Fields on the most important player he's brought to Texas, hosting the NCAA Championship
00:09Well, hello world. Welcome back to golf subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stultz.So these, we're recording this Sunday evening. It's a rather difficult Sunday evening.Not only do I have to be up at 3 a 3.30 pickup for the airport, which is so kind of you.To offer to drive me.I got you. If I'm not there by 3.30, just wait longer. I'll be there. Trust me.So very nice. I'm heading to the Latin American amateur in the morning down in Panama.Very excited to cover that event once again.but before we get to the golf let's just rip the band-aid get this shit out of the way
00:42another year another just absolute disaster for the Dallas Cowboys I mean I was sopumped I was actually so confident going in everybody's like are you nervous I'm like no I thinkwe're going to absolutely destroy these guys like their defense sucks they're very inexperiencedand they just ran the ball down our throat once again the defense couldn't stop anybody Idon't know what the hell happened since the start of the year we had the best defensein the NFL, and then they just gave upa thousand points to the Green Bay Packers.Oh, God, dude.
01:12I don't know where you are mentally right now,so I don't know whether I just go in on youor if the wound is too fresh, it ended like 20 minutes ago,and if it's still hurting too bad if I need to go easy.But goddamn, dude, I'm with, like,I didn't ever thought the Cowboys were going to win the Super Bowl this year.I didn't see that happening at home against the Packers.They've been monsters at home all year.
01:33George Love looks like a goddamn, I mean, Hall of Famer at this,point. Well, when no one's around your receivers, within 30 yards of receiver, that'svalid. There's a few there that you or I could have made, but he looked good. And it startedfrom the opening drive. I was just like, damn, that was easy. And they got ball back. I was like,damn, that was easy. And after what is it, 21-0? I was like, this is a huge problem. I actuallybet on the Cowboys. So I'm a loser too. But nothing worse when you get in a big situationand the D comes up soft. You know what I mean?We've all been there.
02:08No one likes it and it's worse when it's on national TV.As a guy Colt who's had his team, the team that he bleeds for, the team that he dies for, embarrassed on national television.I can tell you it's not fun.However, I will say this.Would you have rather this, which was pretty much a complete beat down, and you knew probably from after the, when they scored, start a second half, that this was probably done?Or would you rather have had to be close and Mike McCarthy ends up doing something stupid?but then you lose that way.I would, like, Georgia game hurt,
02:38but I was like, they're better, we suck.We're never going to beat that team.I would have, that would have hurt meif we'd have lost, like, a close one.Yeah, I mean, I would have liked us had a chance.I mean, definitely coming down the stretch.I mean, that fucking getting blown out sucks.I mean, that thing was over in the first half.
02:54It felt like, I mean, we got lucky to score touchdown thereat the end of the first half.Should have called false start.We'd had to kick a field goal.But disaster, I would have to thinkthey're going to move on from Mike McCarthy's,He's gone 12 and 5, three seasons in a row, but just can't get it done in the playoffs.And then you got a fellow by the name of Bill Belichick just sitting out there wondering where he's going to go.
03:14Well, people are talking.Like if the Cowboys have to lose, could he come here?And everybody's like, well, they're not going to lose.They're going to beat the Packers.They might lose to the Niners and the NFC championship game.We'll throw that all at the window.I wouldn't be surprised to see in the morning if Jerry Jones decides to fire Mike McCarthy and Bill Belichick will be on the phone very quickly.I don't got a dog in the fight.
03:31I don't really care.I think it's time to be done.There's a difference between like what,Belichick did in New England.They got like virtually, they have very little talent.Or Mike Brable in Tennessee, you know, they got some, but it's not great.And he's been, you know, awesome in years past.But it's like, dude, this roster is like one of the most talented in the NFL.
03:49And they do it during the regular season.And then it gets to playoff time.It's just the same shit every single year.I don't know how you do it.It'd be tough.But I feel for you.I could rub it in worse.I'm not going to because I've been there.
04:01But it sucks.I know the feeling.But you die.for your squad. I respect it. I don't jump ship. I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan always will be.You know, I had very low expectations going in this year, and then they were looking pretty good.Dak had the best season of his career, and then he goes out, and he, well, the first interceptioncould have called probably pass interference or defense holding, whatever. The pick six was justdisgusting. I'm like, what the hell was that? Like, that's, you're supposed to mean elite quarterback.
04:28That was horrendous. The guy was obviously right there, and he returned it to the house.I mean, him and CD looked like they were arguing on the sidelines from the first possession.What was that? Was there some behind the scene shit going on? They just looked like pissed and not friends from the jump. I was like, dude, there's one series. Like, you know, shake it off. It's still fine. It's 7 to 0. Like, go get them. They looked off from the jump. I think that's the big question. I think McCarthy's gone. If I had a guess, I think McCarthy's gone. You can't have this much talent not produce. The big question is DAC for me. Like, is it time? Do you jump ship on him, too? Do you reset the whole thing? There's a guy up in Denver, dog. You can.get them out of bargain. We're selling them outa discount. It can come in there and you canride. You could ride with Russ.Maybe slide us some, you know,we'll take CD or whatever you want to package
05:11up in that deal. But I thinkDAC's the big question. I have stoodloyal to my boys, but if they dosomething stupid, like they call Russell Wilsoninstead of DAC, I'm out. I'm not doingthat. I'm not saying they won't do something stupid.I think you're safe to not haveRuss be in the greater
05:27Dallas area next year. Justa guess. Just a guess. But hey,it sucks there's only one team that's what i was saying we're setting up for a very emotionalplayoff here by high expectations it's shit i've been there um but you don't jump ship i respect iti took all the the grief and the shit for tCU this year too that's what that's what real fans doand you reload go get them buddy that's my pep talk for you better luck next year we'll see whathappens um obviously my phone's been going nuts all day twitter all that's fun that's i'm over i'mlike who's y'all's team leave me alone like go away there's only one of you guys
06:01all at the end of the year, you're going to be happy.Listen, especially these Charger fansthat like to chirp me. I'm like, you guys suck.Y'all can't beat anybody. Don't even come chirping.At least we're in the, we have a chance in the dance.Y'all got nothing. Yeah, they're kind of the same way.A lot of talent. Don't do anything with it.But I will say that.
06:17On another subject,my video is very clearhere on the podcast tonight if you're watchingon YouTube. And I just want to let you know I had to get a new iPadtoday because I was packing for Panama,went to pull out my iPad, download some shows,charge it up.Well, apparently I left it on the airplane on the way home from El Paso over Christmas.
06:36So I had to go out and get a freshie.Oh, okay.That's a nice little kick in the nuts.You're rubbing off on me, bud.You're rubbing off on me.Yeah, dude, we got to stop going in on me.I mean, I do some dumb shit.I own up to it all the time.
06:47But my iPad's been, I got like, I think, the first vintage of that by it.I thought you're going to say it crashed on you.It does show.I'm a shop.They didn't, no one sent it to you, dude.So they showed, it's at Sky Harbor in Lost and Found probably, I'm guessing.but I can't fly to Panama without an iPad.And what do you do when you go into Lascombe?
07:05I lost an iPad.Like, yeah, we have 32.Which one's yours?It's the one.It's the screen.It's got a little button on the bottom, dude.And the screensaver is just the generic one.Got it.
07:14Yeah.Just give me two of them actually.So that was neat.That was a fun purchase to make today.But let's get to the golf.The Sony open.An exciting finish.That golf course always seems to kind of produce that.
07:24Three-man playoff.Grayson Murray, Keegan Bradley,and Ben on.Grace and Murray just flipped a scriptin the playoff made an incredible birdie in regulation when he had to lay up.Stone the wedge from 80 yards.Keegan Bradley failed to birdie the 18th, which, I mean, the two par five is out there,nine and 18 are pretty gimmies.
07:41Nine is ridiculous.It's the easiest hole in the PGA, too.I mean, I think it was averaging like 3.67 or something like that today.They went through Russell Henley's like last 15, I don't know what it was, 15 times playing it.And he hadn't made worse than Bertie in the last like five years, basically.I mean, it's 500 yards.And with the wind direction, the way it was a straight-down wind today.I mean, the guys are wedged in.
08:00I've hit eight iron into that hole.You had bombs, dog.So it's a pretty easy one.But you got to take advantage of those part five.Keegan Bradley's going to be kicking himself, not burning at regulation.Obviously, the playoff as well when he had the perfect T shot and had five wood in, pulled it left, didn't get up and down.But, I mean, Grayson Murray looked like he was dead.Like, this thing's about to be gifted to Ben-on.
08:20This is why you don't quit.So he's, hoops the 40-footer.And then you watch Keegan Bradley missing and Ben-on misses, what, a four-footer to extend it.Just shocking.But congrats to Grayson Murray, his second PGA tour win.First one in seven years.Obviously, a lot's been made about everything he's gone through off the golf course.But congrats to him on a huge win.
08:39Gets him in the Masters, all the signature events.That's a game changer for him.Yeah, after the third shots on the playoff hole,it looked like it was going to be a one-hole playoff.They just looked like it was going to be bent on winning the trophy and not Grace and Murray.But I go back to just the end of regulation with Grayson,those two bunker shots he hit on, up and downs on 16, 17,where they virtually hit him to kick in.
08:58And those were unbelievable shots.And then to be forced to lay up on 18, which is such a tough little awkward drive.But he took his medicine.He didn't try to do anything weird and jam it down by the green hit it just inside 100.Stack that big, big marbles there to go to the playoff.And then, damn, he doesn't have to do it again, except this time laid it back a little further and hit a bad wed shot.And then ran it in the hole.His post game interview was pretty emotional.
09:22If you watched any of it, I'm sure pretty much everyone is aware of his story, his struggles with alcohol and things like that.and it's kind of like a Grayson Murray 2.0.And, like, you know, even going back to college,like talent has really never been the question with Grace and Murray.It's just like the off-the-course stuff, can he keep it straight and things like that?And I mean, I know it's early in the year.We're only too deep, but he looks good.The swing looks really, really good.
09:45And it's kind of like a sleeper guy that if he's got everything in line off the golf course,he's a guy with big enough talent to clearly not only win,but win multiple times possibly out there this year.Yeah, he smashes it.I mean, his ball speed, 183 miles an hour.He kills it.But, yeah, I mean, the talent's always been there.He's just, you know, had his off-the-course troubles.
10:04But it seems like he said eight months sober now.So good for him.Congrats on a huge win.That is, I mean, it's going to be a first trip to the Masters.And those signature events are huge.I mean, that's just free money, free points.And he'll continue to climb up the world rankings, up the FedEx Cup points list.So congrats to them, though.
10:19Once again, Sony Open.I mean, 7,000-yard golf course, 17 under playoff.I mean, not crazy low scores.They had some rough.They had some wind. It laid down a little bit today, but that one's always fun to watch.It's just a cool golf course, like, so many different types of guys win there, but it always seems to be like it's close at the end.Rarely is there like a runaway. It seems to be like playoffs happen all the time.You see, you know, Hideki with whatever it was, three wood or five wood on the 72nd.
10:45Like it always has a really, really good finish. It didn't have all the stars in the field that a lot of the tournaments have.But damn, it puts out a good tournament, man. It always seems to have some drama.Do you want to get to Ches Rievi now, or do you want to wait to the gambling segment?Let's do it now, dude.I feel like we're in the, we didn't, we're taking, you've already been taking a ton of shit today.I've been taking it on Twitter a little bit about the Chess deal.So let's just go ahead out, get out.Okay, well, first off, I did take Russell Henley this week and he missed playoff by shot.
11:14Yeah, it was well done.Thank you, Russell.Well, well played, missed by a shot.I'll bat you on the back there.Like that.We both took Chess Rieveys a dark horse, and he went out and shot 66 onFriday, but ended up missing the cut by two shots.Should have been three if Joel Damon would have wiggled in a four-footer.
11:29He made 17 guys very happy.But Ches Reaver, we hyped him after he just dominated over at Whist Barak in our pro-stratio event,shooting 17 under on his own ball.Would have won on his own ball.And, of course, we hyped the shit out of him.Then he goes over there and misses the cut.So sorry to everyone out there.We apologize.
11:46But look, I mean, we saw what we saw.And he went over there, and he didn't play good.This is why we should keep this information to ourselves from now on.I'm starting to think that nothing that happens at Whisper Rock matters anymore.Although Chez's like one of the few guys, like I said last time,when I've seen this in years past and just crazy good golf for a few days leading up to him leaving to a golf tournament,like it's tended to carry over into the golf tournament.But quickly were we informed that it in fact did not carry over.
12:11And it was, by the way, freezing cold, tipped out tough golf course at Whisper Rock.And then it didn't translate.So we'll eat the shit on that.Sorry, we try to give you a little inside scoop.Apologies to everyone that bet Chez.and we may have to reassess what we see behind the scenes.It doesn't always work out.So I put a little picture out there of you and I from Media Day out of the W of Phoenix Open.
12:33Fantastic black and white picture.It was extremely sexual.Boraline not suitable for work that picture.Apology that you open that at work.But I did say, you know, best caption wins a playing lesson with you.Yep.Or some birdie juice merch, which my wonderful wife Natalie chimed in.And she wants to know if she won.
12:52And since I actually have no one to put it out there,I get to decide, I decided that she did win and you have to take her to play golf.You know what?For her, by God, I'll do it.A couple hours alone with Natalie, you know, really peeling back the layers.I feel like we can make a lot of progress in that.I'm more of a sports psychologist coach than I am an X's and O's, you know, technical guy like that.And I feel like Natalie, there's a lot to be learned in a couple hours, my girl.
13:17So, yeah, tell her to just text me or FaceTime me better yet.I'm more of a visual guy.Have her FaceTiming me.Perfect.We'll get the details together.Do you have a winner, though?Because they were flooding in, by the way, and I was only looking every so often,but they would come in like crazy.
13:29Did you, in fact, pick a real winner?I'm going to pick a winner tonight.We're going to send some birdie juice merch out.I'm going to go through them since I don't need to really break down any cowboy film or anything like that.I got plenty of time on my hands before my 330 pick up in the morning.But yes, I will pick a winner.We'll DM you or send you a message on Instagram or Twitter and get you some birdie juice merch.But that was a lot of fun.
13:51There was some good ones.some inappropriate ones, but a lot of good ones as well.Of course. We'll make a point to do that more often throughout the year.We'll try to get some good stuff out there, do some free giveaways and things like that.But, yeah, props to everyone. Thank you for participating in that.Yeah, we got some nice black and whites from that thing, dude.It's amazing how much better everyone looks in black and white. From now on,might make this show black and white.
14:15Okay, perfect. That should be good.A little throwback show, yeah.All right, well, let's get to our guests this week.One of the greatest college golf coaches there's ever been that are currently is down at the University of Texas.You know, they keep saying Texas football is back.Well, golf has been back.Coach Field has done an absolutely incredible job down there in Austin.Coach the likes of Scotty Sheffler, Georgia Spee, Foe Hofsler.
14:39And we've learned his sneaky MVP, Cody Gribble.Thanks to him for coming to University of Texas.He apparently changed the program around.But this was a lot of fun.They're going to be the host of the NCAA championships out in San Diego,the next few years. He's in the process of getting the College World Golf ChampionshipsFoundation together, but a lot of cool stories from Coach Fields. Let's get to it. Here's JohnFields on Subpar. All right. Our guest today has built one of the most successful programs in
15:07all of college golf. He's been coaching in the college game since 1988. He's won two nationaltitles, three-time college coach of the year. And without him, guys like Jordan Speeth andScottie Schaeffer would be scrubbing hooks at their local Muni. University of Texasmen's golf coach john fields how we doing coach i'm doing great thank you for having me on colt and drew i'mso excited to be on golf subpar this is so awesome and i i enjoy listening to you guys all the timewell we appreciate it very much and congrats on all the success you've had your incredible careercoming up on 40 years in the college coaching game can you believe that no um i i i heard a quote theother day and it was just really quick. It was just, it goes fast, doesn't it? And it was actually by
15:53Lee Trevino. He was talking to Arnold Palmer, not in either one of those guys' categories. But he saidthat Trino or Palmer was about to end his career and that's all he could think to tell Arnie to break upthe kind of the tension or the emotion of the moment. And he said it goes fast and it does. It's justit's amazing how fast our lives go. But we've had a lot of wonderful things.things happen and over the last, I don't know, 15 years, post Cody Gribble, Cody Gribble is really the oneto change it all for us, but long story short, it has gone extremely quick.Hold on. I got, I got to go back to the Cody Gribble thing. I thought there was another guy thatchanged the program, but yeah, because I know Cody Gribble very well, obviously a winner on the
16:39PGA tour. What did he do to change things? Well, as you know, being a Dallas guy, you know,he was in my opinion when we when we got cody grivel to come to texas uh we were still a little bitin flux we the time frame 2005 six seven eight prior to him arriving had been substantially difficultwe had built a golf course and opened our golf course uti golf club in 2003 but the years preceding that2001 2002 i kind of took my eye off the golf ball uh that beingthe program because I was worried more about that golf course than I was about recruiting.And not to say that we didn't have great kids, we did, but we weren't at the level in that2005, six, seven, eight time frame. There was a lot of reasons for it. And really, it was a time
17:34when DeLos Dodds, my boss, had he wanted to make a change. He certainly could have done that.But the blessing for me and my wife Pearl was that Mack Brown's program at that time,2005 national championship and then 2009 appearance in the national championship.Rick Barnes, our basketball coach, was in the middle of a huge run and it just come off thefinal four in 2005.And Augie Garito had win a couple national championships in baseball.And so Delos just was like, nah, let's not worry about golf right now.So anyway, I kind of survived that moment.
18:10But when Cody Gribble came, he was not only a great golfer, he was a great person.And he was the right guy at the right time for us because he was also as great a recruiter as I've ever been around.Rick Barnes told me a long time ago, your players are either your best recruiters or they're not.And there's really no in between.And so when he came, that just changed everything.He was a man's man.People liked to be around Cody.That helped us get Jordan Speath.
18:41Jordan Speath helped us get Doug Gim and Scotty Schaeffler.Scotty Sheffler and Doug Gim helped us get Bo Hossler and Gavin Hall.Gavin Hall and Bo Hossler helped us get the Cootie Brothers and Cole Hammer.And it's been pretty wonderful ever since.But the family tree or the success tree kind of started with Cody Gribble.Shout out Cody Gribble.Shout out.I didn't know it was going to be a complimentary story to Cody Gribble there, but I love that.
19:07That's awesome to hear.Don't feel bad about that middle 2000s era.Either Coach feels that was a TCU SMU era down there in Texas.I mean, you had your hands tied.You're up against monsters.You know what I mean?I want to go back in time, though, a little because we're going to get a ton of your coaching stuff.But you had a stint playing.
19:22You graduate from the University of Mexico, and then you go, I believe, play over in Europefor a year or so.Tell us a little bit about Coach John Fields, the player.Coach John Fields, the player, had big dreams and aspirations.But I'll tell you, I was not nearly the player that either one of you two are or any of theguys that I've coached, to be quite honest with you.Now, my teammates in college were cursory.Byron, Tom Byram, and Tommy Armour the Third, amongst others.
19:50And Tom Byram became a great player while in college.Kurt Byram is probably the best athlete other than, well, really was the best athlete I'veever been around.And Tommy Armour the Third was an unbelievable talent, and I think a throwback to WalterHagen because he enjoyed life so much.But in the meantime, it was a great player and super confident.So I was fortunate to be around some seriously good players.I wanted to try my hand.
20:19I didn't get my money together quick enough to try to get into the PGA tour school.So I threw it together and my wife and I went to Lomanga, Spain.I got through the qualifier there.You just went to the final stage at that time in Europe, made it, and then played the entire year of 1983.We played in 27 tournaments in nine different countries and we had.spent way more money than we made. I didn't enjoy it as much as I should have. I was stressingand wanting to be a player. But the one thing that that really sticks out to me from my time in Europewas my wife was my caddy, but we were hanging around somewhere in amongst a bunch of caddies.
21:06And there was this caddy named Silly Billy. Back then there was a lot of guys that had nicknamesand you know, Tim Herod's first caddy was Harpo.And I asked him, why did he call him Harpo?He says, because he doesn't say anything, coach.So anyway, but a lot of the caddies had nicknames.And this silly billy, he said, what do you want to do with golf, John?And I'm like, well, I want to be really successful.I want to make a good living and maybe give back to kids someday,
21:38maybe give them an opportunity that I didn't have.And he said, well, you better be careful.you might just get what you asked for.And it's kind of a philosopher type caddy.You've probably been around something that are like that.But anyway, he was exactly right.I've had success in the game of golf.I've made a pretty good living.
21:58And I feel like I'm giving back to kids every day.So here we are.It isn't the way I thought it was going to be,but that was my European tour experience.I was going to say, as a player, I mean, none of us reallyhave plan B's.We always think we're going to make it.We're going to make millions of dollars.
22:13travel on the world win tournaments.Was coaching ever like in the picture at all?No, what happened there was is after we spent all the money that we made,I had a friend in Southern Arizona and Yuma, Arizona,at a golf course called Desert Hills that was a head pro there,a guy named Roland Radowski.And I was going to work for six months and then go back to Europe.I'd made just enough money to be able to go back.
22:37And anyway, what happened there was I ended up really,enjoying teaching and working in the golf shop.So I decided to get my Class A PGA membership, which was going to take three years.And in the meantime, we got pregnant, and my golf career essentially was over.But I got it out of my system, which I think a lot of guys in college have to do before they go on to do something else.And that's what happened for me.I got my Class A in the PGA of America in 1987.Dwayne Knight, my coach at New Mexico, took a job at UNLV at about the same time.
23:15So I had kept in contact.One of the byproducts of Turning Pro was to go out and raise money.And I don't know if either one of you ever had to do that.Colt, you were a U.S. Amateur Champion, so you probably had people throwing money at you.But the truth is, I didn't.So I contacted a bunch of our former donors and alumni, and they helped fund my European tour experience.And but it was the same guys that helped me get the job because they knew that I was going to work hard.And, and then I took Dwayne Knight's place at New Mexico and the rest of history.
23:51Wow, that's awesome.Yeah, that raising money, it's a different experience when you get out there and you need some help.And all of a sudden people are investing in you.But you take that job in 1988.I got to imagine at the time you didn't think, you know, over three decades later, you'd still be in the game.But starting out in New Mexico, as a young guy, like, you know, Austin is one of the preeminent places you can go now.built that thing into a monster. How hard was it to get kids to commit to go to Albuquerque?Well, I didn't know any different. And I always thought we had a great place because we had a
24:18great golf course, the championship golf course at the University of New Mexico. And I hit it outof the park right off the bat, got seriously lucky. What had happened, I had played in somegrapefruit events. Those are kind of lower line underneath the even many tours for that matter.But the Yuma Open was one of those tournaments.And the guy that I was working for in Yuma at that time, because I shifted gears,I went to another golf course called Mesa del Sol.And I worked for a guy named Dick Walters.And Dick had been the assistant golf professional at Wizzetta Country Club in Minneapolis.
24:58Well, he started in a junior program, Tim Herron.And so Tim Heron and his dad had come down to play in the Yuma Open.The first year, I was paired not knowing that I was.going to be a golf coach.The first year I was paired with his dad, Carson, who is a really fine player.And then the second year, I got in the hunt to win the tournament.And lo and behold, I was paired with Tim Herron.So when I got the job, I'm like, I'm recruiting that Tim Herron for sure.
25:27That guy can play.And I could see it with my own eyes.He had kind of a magic move at the bottom of his swing where he hit the ball straight and long.And he wasn't the prototype.You know, his nickname in high school was lumpy.And so we got lucky because Arizona State looked at him, Steve Lloyd, Arizona State,Buddy Alexander at Florida, but they weren't particular interest.So I threw the kitchen sink at him, a full scholarship and whatever else that I could do at New Mexico to kind of entice.
26:01You know, we did have great history because Brad Bryant had gone to school there.Our program had finished top five multiple times in the NCAA.And so I felt like we can go get this guy and we got Tim Herron.And that's really his career and my career had the same trajectory.We got, I was so fortunate to knock it out of the park with him.And then Brian Corton, who is now, became a PGA tour member for a year.But now he's the coach at Texas A&M.He was in that first recruiting class.
26:31That's awesome.I mean, Lump is one of our favorite people.We've had him on the show.He's fantastic.I love the comparison of Tommy Armour, the third to Walter Hagen.And that was great.But I want to know a little bit more about Tim Heron in college.I mean, we see him now.
26:44He's got one of the best personalities in the game.What was he like back then?Same.He was a little moody and he was extremely fiery.He had a gene of competitiveness that I've really never been around.So inside the ropes, he is.fiery competitor that wants to win badly and causes him to maybe have a bad day now and then.But on the other side of the equation, outside the ropes, he had a unique ability to enjoy
27:23his life to the fullest.He still does that.He's got three great young boys, one of them playing at the University of New Mexico now,and then his wife is fantastic.I always told him, I said, I think you're going to be a great dad.He goes, why do he say that, coach?because he was, you know, he was enjoying a libation now and then in college.And, of course, he smoked in college, too, which you can't do these days, but you could then.
27:47But they had the Tim Herron rule, by the way.When he was smoking, he had to step off the golf course.So him and another guy from Fresno State would go out of bounds and smoke a cigarette,and they'd come back inbounds and shoot under par.And so one time my AD said, you need to tell him to quit.And I said, okay, I'll do it.And I said, hey, Tim, you need to quit.And we just left it at that.
28:09That was the end of it.I told him.I told him, I told him, dude.He told me when you were at New Mexico, you had an olive garden budget.You went to Texas and you got a Ruth's Chris budget.That's pretty true.We had a lot of breadstakes.There were breadsticks at New Mexico.
28:23Oh, my God.There's no one better.And I just played with Baby Lump, by the way.Carson is at New Mexico.And he is a hell of a player, too.Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.But staying on the recruiting stuff for a little bit, Coach.Now you go from New Mexico, you go to Texas.
28:35Texas never really had a problem recruiting some of the top talent in the country.Has the addition of NIL made it easier or harder to get those same type of kids you've always gotten?Well, for the perceived halves, first of all, if you work hard as a golf coach, no matter where you are, you can have success, in my opinion.But that does mean that you got to, if you're at a place that maybe would be considered not a Power 5 conference team, but let's just say a mid-day.major or maybe even a little less than that. You can have success, but you absolutely need towork extremely hard and you need to maximize every little asset that you might have. Today,things that were perceived as cheating or under the table are now right on top of the table,and that's the NIL. And so for us, it's been kind of a godsend because it gives us another
29:30opportunity, maybe another arrow in our quiver, if you will, to have success because now,instead of just scholarship, you actually have an opportunity to tell them that, let's say,you know, one of the big things that you need in your life is to be able to fund your summergolf.Well, NIL can do that and from a collective perspective.And now you've got tailor-made, Nike, Callaway, and shoot, tidalists that can write contracts for these guys in college and give them another revenue source that makes their world just a little bit better.I think it's fantastic, to be quite honest with you, and we are utilizing it.Yeah, it's crazy.
30:21I mean, you see Gordon Sargent, the stud from Vanderbilt, was in a bunch of titleless commercials.then all of a sudden, I believe he showed up at Augustawith Nike shoes and a Nike glove on and I'm like,oh, okay, I have a feeling I know what happened there.Yeah, I think he had a seven-figure reason to jump out there in those Nike's.That's different.Does it make it trickier coaching kids in the sense that, like,now some of them are making more money than guys working at the schools in some cases?
30:46For sure.I don't think so, to be quite honest with you.And I've been fortunate because I've been around two of the best playersthat have ever played at Texas.We had the same thinghappened in the 70s with Tom Kiteand Ben Crenshaw.But we had Scotty Schaeffler and
31:03Jordan Spieth. And if youask me today,none of that would make a whole lotof difference to either one of those guys.Neither one of those guys plays for the money.They both playfor success. They both playfor the competitive aspects
31:19of this game. They love the game.But I've seenthem in other formats, whether it's on the basketball court and ping pong. They play for competitiveness.And so I look for that. I look for guys that are super competitive. I don't think it's really aboutthe money. It might be for mom and dad because maybe that helps them fund the summer golf and maybe thathelps them not, you know, get into Hawk or or, you know, have to use credit cards and all that stuff.And that's the truth and reality. But one other funny thing about NIL, these are youguys you're having to pay taxes now yeah things they never had to do before it's like what is this
31:59in the mail from the irs oh my god i got to pay 10 15 20 000 in taxes yeah that's whathappens when you make money that is exactly right i ask a real quick question about that isthere anyone at the university of texas or other schools like coaching kids on that because somekid a lineman gets 50 grand to show up and play football like oh my god i got 50 grand i got a prettygood idea what i'd do with 50 grand when i was 20 years old and it wasn't pay taxes itpeople coach them on how to like handle this?I think that's another one of the blessings that is pertinent to collegian athletics right nowis that you basically coach these guys, let's say 10 years ago.
32:39And there's crash and burns.I won't use any names, but normally it was these great running backs or greatquarterbacks that would have made a tremendous amount of money coming out of collegebut had not been coached in any way, which meant that.that not only might they invest in bad ventures,they might also actually have people take advantage of that.And those people are out there, they're predators.But today, the way our Texas One fund is set up,
33:11and there is so much education for these guys.And when it comes to their own money,they actually, rather than fall asleep in class,they're actually attentive and listening,Even an inner city kid understands that there's a better way to do this because there's been so many crash and burns.To answer your question, Drew, absolutely the University of Texas and our competitors out there are doing a way better job and an incredible job at educating these kids about their monies.That's great to hear because that is definitely a concern.All right, some big news here from subpar.
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34:10We love you.Back to the show.Well, you mentioned Scotty Schaffler, Jordan Speath.We obviously know those were can't miss guys.They were going to go through college, get on the PGA tour, and dominate.but some of the people you've coached, Parker, Pearson, Cooey, David Gossett, Brad Elder, who I knew from growing up in Dallas, was an absolute stud.Colehammer, Boe, Haasler, Matt Rosenfeld, another one.Is there one of the players you coached that maybe your surprise didn't have the success at the pro level?
34:38Well, I don't think you're ever surprised.The first thing that I look at from my perspective is kind of like what a doctor looks at.It's called the Hippocratic Oath, which is to do no harm.Because we are blessed with some of these great competitors, great players.We've worked really hard to create an environment that might attract them to come to the University of Texas.So I don't want to do any harm.Let's just start with that like a baseline.But I also recognize for sure how difficult it is to make a living on the PGA tour.
35:15And that being said, I recognize that not every.everybody's going to make it.So I counsel them all the time to just be great people and to work really hard.And if you do those two things, people are going to want to help you in your lifetime.And if you treat people good and you work hard, chances are you're going to have success.Now, you need to live a nice life and not tear your own body down.But the bottom line is, is that not everybody's going to make it.I think some people are going to have success from time to time,
35:53and then maybe it goes away for other reasons.One great teacher, Rob Akins, who's in Memphis, Tennessee,who worked with David Thoms and worked with David Gossett.He was having dinner with our team.This is, golly, probably 18 years ago, somewhere in that neighborhood.And he was looking at the guys.We had a good team, and we're sick.sitting there having a really nice dinner.
36:20And he said, let me tell you something, you guys with this birthday, meaning, you know, whatever the birthday was going to be like whenever they were born, maybe in the mid-80s or whatever at that time.He said, there's only two guys with this birthday that are going to make a living and actually have a career out on the PGA tour.And that's one of the best teachers in the world.And meaning you need to work hard.Get your degree, go to school, treat people right, take care of things, work hard, do toDon, you'll have a good life.Maybe in golf?Most likely not.
36:59Yeah, that's an interesting way to put it.It's not like Scotty Jordan.Those guys seem like slam dunks, and they turned out to be slam dunks.But you just never know because there's a list of names that were just like those guyscoming out of junior golf that didn't make it.Let me ask you this question because Colt just mentioned tons of the studs that you've hadgo to the University of Texas.Can you think of one kid during your career at Texas that you really?
37:18wanted, really wanted bad. You thought you had him and he ended up not coming to Texas. One thatstings. For sure. And it happened twice. So that was Hunter Mayhem. Yeah. And Hunter chose to go to USCkind of out of college. And I would say that I did not do a great job of recruiting him. I waskind of distracted with some other things. I don't even know exactly what they were at this point in time.But he slipped away.He didn't just slip away from me,slipped away from Mike Holder as well at Oklahoma State.So after about a year of Southern California
38:00and maybe an accident on the freewayand some other things, Hunter decidedand it was a better thing for him to doand come back to Dallas, Oklahoma, Texas,somewhere in that neighborhood.So I was recruiting him really hard.Once he put his name out therethat he was going to depart and got a release from USC.
38:25I started recruiting him really hard.And so we got to the NCAA Championship,and it's at Duke.And I only had an individual that year, John Clouk,who made it as an individual,and then Oklahoma State was there.But I've been talking to Monty, his dad,Monty Montgomery, or excuse me,
38:48Monty Mahan, and Monty told me that, you know, after the NCAA, you come on up here and we'll see what happens.But Coach Holders recruit him, so you two are the ones that are in this.So I'm like, okay, that sounds great.And so John Clout played really well in the NCAAs.He made the cut for the first time ever that I know of, Oklahoma State missed the cut.when that happened i think those guys signed their cards my colder left them with his assistantgot on a got in a taxi got on a plane went straight to dallas landed at the mayhound house andbasically told them i'm not leaving here until you commit to oklahoma state well he did he did
39:35that evening and i called moni and said hey how's things going i'll be seeing you on he goes coachdon't bother uh hunter's going to go to oklahoma state and i'm like wellwait a minute. You told me that I was going to get to see him afterwards. He goes,I know, it's just one of those things. Coach Holder was just so compelling and wonderful.And Colt, I don't know if you had it, or either one of you guys got recruited by Mike Holder,but he can sell ice to Eskimos, and he did.I was always terrified. Yeah, I'm with you. I did not get recruited by him.But I actually ran into him at Ari out in Las Vegas a few years ago,
40:11and we played some blackjack late into the evening.He absolutely loves to compete.And Mike Holder, I have tremendous respect for him.And I really appreciate him as a college golf coach.He was the first of the modern coaches that went out and recruited and worked really hard.Bottom line is, he just had a 20-year start on everybody else.And he dominated.So it's fun to be around him.
40:40But if you were with him and the blackjack table,there are stories about him doing that and he enjoys going out there and competing and that's whathe does for fun.It was a lot of fun to sit down and talk with him.I've never got to really like have a conversation with him until them, but it was great.You mentioned there was two, though.So Hunter Mayhan was one.Who is the other guy that got away?
41:01There's been so many.In my business, if you recruit five guys, you might get one.The Hunter Mayhan thing hurt, but the next one was Casey Wittenberg.figured that was that one heard like no other because we had done such a great job with david gossettand i thought casey being from memphis thought i was in the right shape so what happens theresame thing oklahoma state before they put restrictions on the ncdbara uh mike holder had adeal with net jets or actually with uh gosh darn was it net jets or somebody he had a fractional share withhe raised a bunch of money you talk about working
41:42That was one of those things he did.But he raised a lot of money and Boone Pickens was helping him.And so he had a fractional share with a jet company.And he sent the plane down to Florida.Tyler, I'm blanking on his name,but Casey Wittenberg and Tyler Leon were going to the Led Bay Academy.And he sends that jet down to him.And I hear that they've had steak and eggs on the way to Oklahoma State
42:21and staking eggs on the way back.And I called on that Monday after the visit,and Casey said, I'm going to Oklahoma State.He said, coach, I thought I was going to go to your place.I really did, but I just can't turn my colder down.I'm like, man, he got me again.Private Jet.Those Leon boys are great dudes, too, by the way.
42:41They are.Let me talk on the guys you miss.talk about the guys that did go to Texas. You've had some studs. Colt mentioned them.And this might be an obvious answer or it might not be an obvious answer. But day one,showing up on the campus of the University of Texas, is there a guy that stands out that youthought, this is the most talented kid I've seen since I've been here?Well, up today, that would have been Jordan's beat. And for two reasons. And I've always saidthis. If a guy turns up to UT Golf Club and he parks his car in the parking lot the first time,
43:13and he walks to the golf shopand everybody to a man,everybody as our members,everybody and the staff,everybody knows who that guy is.That was Jordan Speed.That was the first guythat we ever had on our team
43:32that everybody knew.Two-time United States Junior championwas in the third to final groupor third,yeah, third to final groupin the Byron Nelsonand played with,golly,
43:47the eventual winner.It's just amazing how good that was.And there's no question that he's that guy.Yeah,no surprise.I met him that week at Byron Nelson when he was 16and stayed in contact with him ever since.And it's just,
44:05it's amazing.I mean,he is just so talented,can get it up and down from a trash game.If my life's on the line,I need somebody to get a ball up and down from a tough spot,it's probably going to be him.Me too.
44:15It is special.But you had so many great players.Obviously, the goal each year for y'all at the University of Texas is to win that national championship.And I know y'all are a huge part of that national championship going forward now with it being out at Omni La Costa in San Diego.You are going to be the host school.We are.And it's an odd way how we got there.But basically the way it happened was everybody really enjoyed Greyhawk.
44:41It was a great venue, but very hot, obviously, about 110 degrees.Desert golf course, target-oriented, and the fans had to stay on the cartpath.So it was not a great fan experience from that perspective.They did everything.The staff there did everything they could to make it really nice.But the venue wasn't going to take golf to another level.And I happened to be watching the 2017 Walker Cup at L.A. North.And I was walking around with Jeff Shackleford, who had helped Gilhance redo L.A. North and got some kudos because of it.
45:26And I was walking around with him on just talking about different things.And I'd say, hey, wouldn't it be great if you could have the national championship in Southern Californiaon more of an annual basis as opposed to, you know, sometimes you're here, sometimes you're there.He said, yeah, where would you do it?And I said, well, I know the Rawlings, they're big donors and alumni at the University of Texas.They're philanthropists.Maybe they would think because they own Omni Lacoste that that was a great place.He goes, yeah, but that's dated.
46:02That golf course is dated.You couldn't really have a championship there anymore.They had the tournament of champions there for 30 years, and then six or seven world match plays there.But that all ended 2006, 2007.So anyway, I said, what if you had Gil Hance do it?And he said, well, if you did that, maybe it could be a great course.And that's the idea that myself, Mike Holder, and Chris Delcante, my AD, floated with,the Omni team and Bob and Blake Rowling, they liked the idea. We were going to have San Diego State
46:44hosted because the college team has to host the national championship, like in baseball, in Omaha,Creighton University hosts the national championship there. So anyway, we were going to have San DiegoState host it. They said they would do it. But then they found out it was going to be a neutralsite unlike Greyhawk because, for instance, we played Arizona State for the national championship in 2022.They had played golf there 81 times that year.We had three or four rounds that year on that golf course.And so anyway, everybody kind of wants a neutral site.And so Delcante said, well, if San Diego State's not going to host it, we will.
47:26So that's how Texas ended up hosting it.And then what I did from there is part of the reason that we wanted to do that, Mike Holder pointed it out,he said there was basic three or four reasons.One would be the Rolling's legacy for college golf.That would be one.Two, you would be able to have iconic shots on the golf channel that people could equateto the same venue on an annual basis and maybe build a real following for men's and women'scollege golf, maybe have 10,000 people out there someday watching college golf.
48:01Three, you've got the weather and you've got the ability to now have records that you cancompare on an annual basis.And then the final one would be a best practices.I'm sure you guys do something like this with your podcast because it's become so great.And that is that you do best practices.Okay, that this particular year is over.What did we do well? What didn't we do well? What do we need to add all those different things?And so the compound effect of that over a 10-year period would be that we could have this extraordinary
48:38collegiate event that people are now really drawn to. It's compelling. The match play is compelling.And that we would have a property that would be magnificent. And I believe that's going to happen at Omni LaCosta.Yeah, it's going to be great. Obviously, Southern California,perfect for it. But with that, you've helped develop the College World Golf Championship Foundationto help set off some of the costs because, listen, going to these nice places, it's not cheapfor the college programs. No, that's exactly right. I took it to another level because I knewthat the gold standard for a standalone permanent site was the College World Series in Omaha.With that being said, I researched them. We connected with their driving force.
49:26force, which is the College World Series Foundation.It's been in effect since 1950.Nobody even knows that.73 years.And now they're a revenue sharing partner with the NCAA,which means that they are a very successful entity.So we checked in with them.And then as a result, we developed what's called the College World Golf Championships Foundation.
49:51People say, well, why world?Well, if you look at the NCAA championship today,both men and women.It's a world game.Ludwig Alberg for Texas Tech out of Sweden.I mean, this guy is magnificent, but we have players from every part of the world.South America, Central America, South Africa, Africa, Asia, Europe, the Balkans,Switzerland, Sweden, all of them, all represented in the NCAA championships,
50:25and they're the two best amateur golf tournaments in the world.So we need a funding mechanism because you can't just think that, well, Texas is so into college golfthat they're going to pay for this on an annual basis.And you can't think that Omni Lacoste is a business.They don't want to pay for this on an annual basis.They would if they had to, but it would be preferable to get all the golf world to feellike they could be part of this NCAA championship.In 2018, Boone Pickens' Unlellan's Unlellan.
50:55underwrote the national championship at Carston Creek in Oklahoma to the tune of a million dollars.Johnny Tyson did the exact same thing in Arkansas at the blessings.It's not cheap to run these events at a tour level.That's what we aim to do.We want to give the kids that are playing in this event the absolute best experience that they're ever going to have in college golf.And for most part, other than maybe a U.S. amateur, which you won, this is probably the pinnacle of their golf career.And so we owe it to them to give them the best opportunity to have an unbelievable experience on a great venue.That's fantastic.
51:38So for people listening, if they want to get involved and chip in, can they do that?Where do they go to do that?Well, right now they can connect with me.we're a brand new entity so we're establishing our website but i will tell you thisit's called the college world golf championships foundation ink within a month we'll have a websitewithin that month we'll start organizing but if you want to get to john fields you can all yougot to do is go to texasgolf dot com and or texasports dot com and you can get to me with my email andjust say, hey, I want to help college golf. But we're going to get out and get people excited.
52:22I've already talked to a lot of tour players. They're excited about it. I think the unique aspectof our sport is that people do want to give back. And I think we're positioned in a nice way.You and I talked about this. You have the Ryder Cup. You have the Solheim Cup. You have the Walker Cup. You have theCurtis Cup for women and then you have the President's Cup.But we're the only other major match play event that I know of.And I do think that we have something that could be extraordinary.It's already really good, but I think it could be extraordinary.And I think the College World Golf Championship Foundation is going to help make that happen.
53:09That's awesome, man.Congratulations on getting all that together.What just give out your phone number?At the end of this interview, don't worry about it.People just reach out to you direct.Straight line, straight shot.That's going to make a huge difference, though, seriously.So congrats on that.
53:21And I know LaCosta is going to be a great hostand everyone involved at Omni.We've got to get to the E9 with you real quick.Some fun questions for you before we let you get out of here.And we ask this to everyone.And I have a feeling you've already mentioned this guy's name.If you could be someone else for a day,other than yourself, who would it be?
53:37Just one day.You get to walk in their shoes.Maybe Mike Holder when he flew to McKinney, Texas?No, no, no, no.I'll tell you who it would be.It would be Ben Crenshaw.Oh, nice.And the reason it would be Ben Crenshaw, we had him come talk to the team a long time ago.
53:54And he was sitting at the top of the table.And I said, hey, Ben, before we get started, I've got one question for you,because these are all University of Texas student athletes that are in front of you.He goes, what's that coaching?I said, did you have a good time when you were at Texas?and he kind of dropped his head and put his hands like,it cupped his face,and then he came back with this big smile and he goes,
54:20Coach, I had a great time in college.Yep.I don't know what that meant, but it sure sounded pretty good.And the guy, it broke the ice and Ben Crenshaw has always been the coolest guythan I've ever been around.He's awesome.Love that.On the course, off the course, all of it.
54:38Yeah.All right, Coach, I'm going to start you off.This is going to be a tough one here.and you can defer if you don't want to, if you don't want to hurt any feelings.But if you were going to put together in all time, since you've been coaching at Texas,starting five, based on their games at the college level,not necessarily how they turned out as pros.Who would it be?
54:55Well, I'm just going to, I'm going to rank them because you got to start with Jordan Speefe,impact player.You've got to go with Bo Hostler because he was a Fred Haskins Award winner,which is the Heisman trophy of College Golf.You got to go with Doug Gimm because he was also, he was the Ben Hogan Award winner, which is the best amateur college golfer combined for the year.And then you've got to go with Scotty Schaeffler because he's so dynamic.And then the next one up, I only got Brad Elder for a semester.So I'm going to, he's my backup and he's the guy that love to compete as well.
55:35But I got to put Cody Gribble in there because if I don't have Cody Gribble, I don't.don't have anything and I'm not talking to you guys today. So thank God for Cody Grubble.I brought out. Cody Grible is a good pub today. I thought gossip would be in there for sure.You got good options, by the way. You can put a couple of times together. Love David too. Yeah. Yeah.What's wild is, you know, growing up in the Dallas area where I did, I mean, Matt Rosenfeld wasthe man, the guy. And it just, I mean, it shows you how hard professional golf is. Just didn't make it.But he was the guy. I remember when we go to tournaments, be like, oh, God, he's here. This is aYeah, it was really good.
56:12Really good player.You had a lot of good ones.There's no doubt about that.I actually had that question down as well.So I go to the next one.Obviously, y'all's biggest rivalry in football, oh, you, the Red River, Red River Classic.Who's the school you hate to lose to the most in golf?Oh, for sure, it's Oklahoma State.
56:30I figured that.I thought that's some good battles.Oklahoma with Ryan Hibble is next.but Oklahoma State has been really the driving force and the energyand the synergy behind my passion for this game.And that's Mike Holder again.Yeah, he's set the bar and you guys have been going at it for a long timeand we'll probably continue to do so.
56:53All right, I'm going to ask you this, coach.What's the most strict punishment you've ever given out for a playerfor sleeping through a workout, missing a team meeting,any sort of disciplinary matter?Yeah, that's interesting.I had two players probably don't want to name the names,I had two players kind of get into it one time.And it was on the road at a tournament.
57:18And when you coaching competitive guys,there's always the possibility that somebody might get outside the box just a little bit.So these two guys went at it.When we came home, I told them, you know what,I'm going to make it tough on you guys.For the spring semester, you're going to have to qualify to qualify.In other words, you're going to have to play in your own qualifier to get to thequalifier. Both made them much better. The other thing that I did is I made them do everything
57:46together. I made them go to work out together. If one drove one morning, then the other one hadto drive the next morning. I made them eat together. I made them, the only thing they didn't have todo was live together. But everything else they had to do together. And I got that from my dad,because my dad always felt like, whatever I do to your brother, I'm going to do.to you. And so I felt like that that's the toughest thing that I ever did, but it turned out to beabsolutely wonderful for both of them. Well, I think that's beautiful. You can share this because I gotthis story from one of those players and I was told to ask you if you ever saw a fight happen at theTexas Tech golf course. But I'll let you choose if you want to say it or not. That was an almost
58:34fight between Scott Schaeffler and Bo Hossler. Yeah. And that's.That was because, first of all, both of those guys, and I'm going to say this in a nice way, are oversexed in the competitiveness department, right?So that's just a way of saying that.But Bo Hostler was into his game dramatically.He was playing his match.We were playing this match play against Texas Tech.And Scotty Schaeffler, there's nothing worse on this planet for him.than to lose to anybody in anything.
59:13So anyway, they both hit their shots on a par five off to T.And I'm walking with Bo.I'm really not walking with Scotty,but I'm kind of paying attention to Bo like a caddy.He walks by this golf ball and he looks at it and he,for whatever reason, he thinks that he's outdriven Scotty by 15 yards.So Scotty doesn't think anything.We walked right past the ball.
59:37Beau looked at the cup ball and Scotty hits his shot.We get up to the ball.Bo's turn now.And he looks down and he goes,this is not my ball.And you would have found Mount Vesuvius just went off.Like we had a volcano 15 yards below us.And Schaeffler got so mad when he figured out that he hit the wrong ball.
01:00:05He ran up to the green.260 yards on a dead sprint,picked up the ball,ran back,threw it at Bo's feet,Bo goes ahead and hits the right shot,then Scotty has lost the hole now.And he just lost a hole.
01:00:26But it's killing him.And so now they're jawing against each other on the way up.And finally,on the next hole in the part three,I told Bo,I said, we are not going another step further.until you apologize to Scotty for that.What do I got to apologize to him for?
01:00:45He's the one to hit the wrong ball,and I'm like,because of the way you walked up to that balland recognized that it wasn't your ball,but it was.You made a mistake,and it caused him to make a mistake.Say you're sorry.
01:00:59So Scotty's like walking by and goes,I'm sorry, like that,and then we went on.Oh, that's beautiful.I asked, I was,Bo was at my house the other night.I was like, hey, we're having Coach Fields on.You got any good stories.
01:01:10He goes, just asking about the time.Me and Scotty almost got in a fight at Texas Tech.Oh, my God.But I'll tell you what, those are two warriors.You want to have those guys playing for you, I promise.Oh, you think?Which leads perfectly to my next question.Who wins in a fight between Bo Schohoffler and Scotty Shepler?
01:01:28No, no, I'm kidding.You don't have to answer that one, Coach.That's a Battle of the Titans.They're both six foot three.Big boys.But I would say at that time, Scott,Scottie Shepler was the athlete.So I wouldn't want any part of Scottie Sheple.
01:01:40Bowes leaned up.Bose leaned up nice.He's at a nice fight and weight right now.He is looking fantastic and I'm praying and visioning for a great year for him.Yeah, he is very dapper.All right, give my next real one.What do you dread hearing more?The boomer sooner fight song or the dad of a junior golfer coming up to you telling you
01:02:00why you should recruit his kid?Boomer sooner.That's shocking to me, actually.I bet you hear the other one more often, though.All the time.Yeah.Hey, coach.Got to take a look at my kid.
01:02:12All right.Correct.My last one, I'm going to need you to help me with this because I just thought of it becausewe went over a few of my questions during that.But early on, probably 2003 or four, you had a really good player that was a little bit of a biggerboy at Texas.Can you remember?Can you help me with that name?
01:02:27It just came to me.He was a stud.Are we talking about Jonathan Deggis?No.No.It wasn't Johnny Vegas.He was...The guy you'd be in the semifinals at the U.S. amateur and broke our hearts?
01:02:41Easy, easy match, that was.No, it was before that, because I was a freshman in 2003.God, that's going to drive me nuts.And he was a thicker guy.A thicker guy.Had a funny golf swing.Jason Hartwick?Yes, Jason Hartwick.
01:02:55That is it.That guy was really good, by the way.All right, we're going to go, Jason Hartwick and Lumpy, have an Olive GardenBreadstick eating competition.Who could take down more?for sure heron because hardwick would be looking after his weight and tim was not worried about that at the timethat is perfect tim needs those breadsticks that'd sop up the liquor you know what i mean he needs thosei we'd be in the car and guys hey guys where do you want to go eat well da da da da da da da no we're going to
01:03:29olive garden i love it that's awesome well coach man we really appreciate you sitting down with usCongrats on everything with the NCAAs, the College World Golf Championship Foundation,where we're looking forward to seeing what y'all do with the NCAAs.And also, congrats on all your success.You've had an unbelievable career, but it was a lot of fun sitting down talking with you.Well, it's been great for me today.I really enjoy talking with you guys.I remember you greatly from college golf and amateur golf and professional golf.
01:03:57And I'm so thrilled where golf is, even though we've got the live PGA tour thing going on.golf is in a great place, and I'm looking forward to these next few years, and you guys are going to be a huge part of that.Thank you so much.Thank you, Coach.You know, my man.Thanks so much.Hookam-Ollons.That's right.
01:04:16All right, that was Coach John Fields, the head golf coach at the University of Texas.What a program he's put together down there.Like I said, Jordan Speets, Scotty Sheffler, Boe-Hossler.I mean, the list goes on and on.They've had so many great players come out of there.They have incredible facilities.But congrats to him.I loved hearing pretty much everything.
01:04:35It's like, who do you not like the most?Who drove you crazy?Oklahoma State.Mike Holder.I was like, I kind of figured that was going to be the answer,but those are some great stories he shared.Dude, Holder is like the Darth Vader of college golf.And I mean that in like a great way.
01:04:47It's just like he kind of set the bar.And like you, I thought it was really cool asking coach, like,look, you get a ton of talent.Who are some of the guys you really wanted but missed on it?Pretty much for the most part.It goes across all sports.Like what Texas wants, what is what Texas gets typically, right?Like they land dudes, but like going back to the Hunter Mayhan thought I had him,
01:05:06the Casey Wittenberg story and things like that, man.It's just, I mean, this goes to show you how good coach holder was to build what he did.But John Fields, man, like as a TCU guy, you're kind of,and probably you for SMU too, you know, a little different with you growing up in Texasand being to Texas fan.Like you kind of just taught to not like, like you hate Texas, like period.Like, you know what I mean?They are pretty much the big program in the state.
01:05:30But like, then you get to know Coach Fields.he's like, I can't, all right, I hate them for everything else, but not for golf.Because he's just such a class dude, man.Like, he's such a good guy and he runs such a good program.And by the way, like, almost everyone that's come through that program is like a greatkid, like a kid you'd want to be friends with.You know what I mean?I got tons of friends from UT.
01:05:48And there's very few that slipped through the cracks.I don't really like that guy.He just seems to recruit the right type of kid, too.Yeah, he's had a lot of talent down there.And shout out Cody Grimble for all he's done for the program down there.I had no idea about that.But really cool.but best of luck to coach field, University of Texas on hosting NCAAs out in San Diego.
01:06:07Go check out the foundation, see if you can help in any way to get that thing going.But they're doing a lot of great work out there, and their facility down there in Texas.I mean, pretty much if you want to recruit the top dogs nowadays, you've got to have a sick facility.They've got one of the best in the country down there in Austin.Let's also have a short course called the Speed 40, by the way.I guess Jordan decided to build a golf course for him.No big deal.But this is one thing I think we're going to start to do a little bit.
01:06:31talking to some of the college coaches, a lot of fun to hear about recruiting, you know,who they missed out on, you know, who they thought was going to be a stud, who might not haveturned out. But I know we're set up, go down to Arizona State and their incredible new facilitydown at Papago, sit down with Coach Matt Thurman here in a few weeks. But I'm looking forwardthis. I like seeing the behind-the-scenes stuff with this college athletics, especiallywith his NIL and everything that's going on. Yeah, and especially with guys like Fieldsand Thurman who have coached so many great players and do such a good job, even like current day,man. Like, it's cool to hear some of the guys that, you know, maybe they brought on
01:07:01a kid that won that big of recruit now he's on the PJ tour just getting a little behind thescenes look and coach fields i mean how lucky was he to to land lump to get paired in that tournamentwith the great lumpy lump in college dude i would i mean lump now is a 10 i just played with hisson carson a few weeks ago and lump's got a little banged up wing right now so he's in this bigass cast and he came out and just out a few pops ran around i was like dude like just hanging outwith lump is the best but young lumpy would have been a sight to behold goodI don't think the brakes too much.Excuse me, Mr. Heron.
01:07:34You can't smoke on the golf course.It's against NCAA rules.Okay, perfect.I'll just walk out of bounds.Yeah.Yeah, I'm in this dude's backyard.So what do you want to do?And then coach is like, yeah, you got to tell him to stop smoking.
01:07:46I'm like, what did you do?I told him to stop smoking.Okay.Yeah, I did it.Check the box.Yeah, lump.Just keep being low.All right.
01:07:53Well, since we're doing this Sunday night because I got to get up so damn early and fly down to theLatin American amateur, we don't have any gambling picks for the golf thisthis week.but we'll get them to you later this week.So sorry about that, but we'll make sure,we'll give you some winners.Russell and Link was close.It's been playing really good here at the Rock lately.
01:08:09I don't know if we mentioned that,but look out for him.All right.Well, you don't have to look out for the Dallas Cowboysbecause they got shit to do the rest of the year.Their season is over.Another disappointing one,kind of ruined by Sunday,
01:08:21but always fun to spend a little time here with youand all of y'all.But thanks so much for listening.We'll talk to you on next week's subpar.
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