Subpar - Michael Allen Interview: Revitalizing his career in his 40’s, his first rounds with Colt and Drew

Episode Date: April 12, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour Champions pro Michael Allen joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The 8-time winner on the Champions Tour talks returning to professional golf in his 40's, playing at the University of Nevada, Reno in the 80's and why the first rounds he played against Colt and Drew were completely different.

Hello, world. Welcome back to Golf Subpar. Colt knows Drew Stoltz, a day after the 86 Masters, where Scotty Schaeffler picks up his first major championship with a dominating performance around Augusta National. It was something special to watch, Liz. It was fun to be there. We got to be out there most of the week. We participated in all the activities. We got to have a little evening or two at T-Bones. We did it all. First of all, before we get into it, I must say on the video here, you look glorious with the light coming in. like a little Simba coming down from the Lion King. Oh, the anointed one. I love it. You are, but man, what a week we had? What's up? I'm currently en route from Augusta to Hilton Head.

So I had to do a quick pullover so we can get this done. It's been a hell of an eight days from me, Slice. Yeah, the voice sounds good. I know the sound of that voice. I think I was there for part of the reason that that voice sounds like that. But, dude, what a week we had down there. I mean, from the first day we got there, you and I, you know, we did our radio, show went and hit the merch tent as you do picked up this beautiful little piece right here we make

our way out there and heading towards the first fairway and all of a sudden it's like elvis stepped on property it was eight deep 200 yards down the fairway we both look at each other like i hope this is tiger otherwise we ain't going to see nothing out here and sure enough there goes tiger jt freddie all coming up the first heat and man from that point on it was just cool to have tiger there the buzz that was around it and then scotie schreffler man sleeping on the lead like that five shot lead going into Saturday, three-shot lead going into Sunday. The kid didn't blink. Even when it looked like it might get interesting there after those first two Colt on Sunday, Cam Smith comes out, tweet, tweet out the gates. And then the third hole,

clearly that's where the whole thing got shook up. Yeah, no doubt. With Scotty Sheffler having the chip in, Cam Smith making bogey, like you said, just an incredible week. It's always so special to be at Augustin National. I was there the entire week doing some coverage for ESPN Plus and Masters.com was on the call. I got to call Tigers round on Thursday, which was just, I was in awe. I mean, I was a fan boy out there trying to call, you know, the greatest of all times, first round back in over 500 days. But just can't say enough about Scottie Sheffler. You know, I brag about him all the time on here. I've known him since he was seven years old. So pumped for him. You know, I finished in the morning on Sunday. I headed out

to the golf course. I just felt like I needed to be there for that, for that moment to see if he can get it done. I caught up with him on number four. I made it all the way through 18, and I think saw about four shots. It is absolutely impossible to see anything out there unless you are way out ahead and just get a spot and commit to sitting there. But I walked around with Randy Smith, his longtime coach, his dad, his sisters. So cool to watch them go through all the emotions. And then Scotty coming up the last, knowing it's a done deal.

So pumped for him, well-deserving. You know, a lot of people kind of were critical of him being the number one player in the world. They're like, I don't understand how this is possible. It's just one good, one good little stretch. Well, he confirmed he is now the best player on the planet. Yeah, pretty non-debatable right now. And it was cool. You and I ran into Scottie's family out there before the week started.

And we were like, hey, what a run this has been. How cool has this been? And little did we know that the coolest part of it hadn't even started yet at that point. And I thought it was really awesome, Colt. Like his post-game interview, he talked about, you know, you got so much time to kill when you're in those final groups at the Masters. I mean, he's not teeing off till late, late in the afternoon. When your mind's going crazy, that's a tough ask. and he said he woke up and he was like in tears at points where he's like I don't know how this is

going to go like the moment almost felt too big for him I thought that was a pretty cool for him to admit that because I got to believe he's not the first dude to ever break down like that before a big final round but I haven't heard anybody else admit it up to this point it just goes to show you like what's behind the curtain because you watch scotty shuffler on the broadcast and you're like man he looks so calm he's out there laughing with Ted Scott nothing gets under this dude's skin nothing rattles him anytime he hits a bad shot he seems to recover it lets you know like what's going on on the side because that's uh i don't care who you are how many times you want and that's after a guy's won three times in the last you know six weeks more or less he's still feeling like that going into the final

round at augusta but man it looked like it might get close for a little bit he never let up cam smith slipped up there on 12 which was obviously kind of the huge turning point when it turned into the scotty sheffler victory lap but damn dude like you said you can't dispute the world number one right now and it's crazy how quickly that's turned from two two and a half months ago yeah he's just he's a stud man He's playing unbelievable. Got to give a big shout out to his wife, Meredith, too. I mean, for that little pep talk she gave him before he headed out. I mean, she could possibly be a, she doesn't need to work.

I don't know if she does, but if she's looking for a new profession, sports psychologist, I think, is in her future. I mean, the things, he gave her so much credit. And, I mean, I don't blame him. I mean, when you're in that kind of, I said it to you on a radio show. Can you imagine if, like, this was one of the weeks he travels alone? And, like, he wakes up and he's in that moment and everything. That'd be really tough.

but to have the support system he does, to have Meredith there and tell him, listen, it's all going to be okay. You can handle this. Go have and get it done, and he did. Man, it's just, it was so cool to see him put on the green jacket, in my opinion, the first of many majors. I mean, the next major championship, the PGA championship,

well, this is his favorite golf course in the world, Southern Hills. Go ahead and ink. He won big 12s there as a freshman. Go ahead and ink that. And how about us making our picks going in? It was almost like Scotty Schaeffler was too obvious. Like neither of us picked him. It was kind of like, all right, he's the guy.

He's the hottest player coming in. But like, how long can that last? Can he keep that up? And neither of us even picked him. And now I feel like an idiot. But it was almost one of those things like, dude, that's like too easy. If you just asked the novice golfer and said, here's the results of the last couple months. Who do you like?

They're going to pick Scotty. It felt like it was too much of a layup. But damn, probably not going to make the same mistake twice, not picking him going forward. Yeah. Also, a big thank you to everybody that came up, all the patrons that came up to us out there on Monday. For me, all week walking around the grounds, I mean, a lot of subpar fans out there. It was really cool. It's awesome.

It's always awesome to get out there and talk with some of the listeners. We had a great event at Savannah River Brewing Company. Shout out Savannah River for hosting us in our event out there. Graham Delette was in the house. We had a good time, hit some balls into the monitor. May or may not have drank a handful of beers out there. Got to talk with a lot of the listeners. And that event was, that was really cool that we get to have these live events.

We're going to look to keep those happening going forward. Yeah, awesome. Great turnout. even though the weather was terrible, but had a lot of fun at Savannah River Brewing Company. But Sleys, the man of the hour is obviously Scotty Sheffler, picks up his first major, and he was just shipping it around Augustine National with that tailor-made driver. You know what it is, Colt.

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The slaves, we've got an absolute beauty on the pod today. PGA Tour champion legend Michael Allen. I mean, this guy, sakey drinking, ball striking, unbelievable actor. he does it all. Oh, dude. If you're a fan of golf and you don't know the name Michael Allen, you're about to because this dude's incredible. If you could imagine Jimmy Buffett as a pro golfer, that's Michael Allen.

And if you don't know his story, you're about to hear it, and it's hard not to like this dude. He's just one of the OGs. Like, he comes from a different time. He chased it all over the globe, kind of found his stride late in his career, parlayed into a really big champion's tour career. But, God, he's a fun dude to be around. You're going to see that here in just a minute. Well, please, last week in Augusta, the doers was flow, and I consumed a rather large amount, considering I was there for eight days.

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And here we go. Michael Allen on golf so far. All right. This is going to be a fun one here today. We got a pros pro in the house. with this longtime PGA Tour player and Champions Tour, major champion, the man golfs his ball and pounds sake

with the best of them. Michael Allen. You've got to be known for something. I didn't think it would be sake, but, you know, I guess the San Francisco roots just kind of gets you in there. Today it's doers and water, though. It is indeed.

Thank you. And thank you, doers. Yeah. Enjoy. I try and do you all the time. Just doers. That's right. But the sake, though,

first time I ever played with you, twin fin, oh shit, I don't know, eight, ten years ago. Which, I got to say the two of you took over from McCord, who used to work on it, light it up. I've seen his, you know, PC there doing all his stuff, and you guys came in and just rolled it, laying on your back, you were all world. You were all world. I don't think he remembers laying on his back. I don't either, but he was funny, man. I've been told it was fun. It was great. You could have heard yourself. Oh, yeah. We talk about that term and a lot on here. It's a pro. scratch it's out here to start you've been playing in it for years almost forever yeah it's it's i mean

what a way to start the year it is a great great preparation isn't it yeah camping this year shit he was ready to go you know you know that's when i became friends with tom pernese really was there because we never really got along he's very organized very anal i'm pretty i'm pretty loosey-goosey yeah you know it kind of we'd be perfect yeah and you know i kind of come off and we had won that year and we you know It was when we're on the other side of her behind 18, and we pull the bags off the cart, and there must have been 100 beers on the cart, and they just come piling off, you know. And Tom's up there studying already, got his computer out, you know. And it was just like, okay, this is why we actually talked a few minutes ago, this is why we're good.

I really work really hard. I'm always organized, I'm this, and you're that, and you're great at this. And I'm good at. And so now we have a good understanding of each other. And so... Have you always been like that, though? Like even back when you were playing on the PGA tour and even before that, were you just, hey, I'm here to have fun? Let's see what happens?

Well, no, there's a whole lot of work underneath all of it. There really is. I mean, in the end, I do. I'm bored. I got to go out and have fun. I got to do something. So, you know, that's been a big transition over the years. The first time I played you, though, I had not met you at the time.

And it was at that twin-fin deal. And I was like, okay, you know, I got Michael Allen. I know the name, but I don't know the guy we show up. You had music on on the first tee. You might add a cigar in or something. You had an entire bottle of sock. You walked up at the first tee like to shake hands like, hey, I'm Drew. And you had, you had to like a shot of a say.

Here you go, but just hand it to him. I was like, this guy is about, this is going to be fun. You also, I had seen your swing and you're crushing it. And I had to get, I had you get more on my level. Yeah, that's not on my level. You were way above what I could do. That's not a hard task. And that's also.

See, that's why I'm always so comfortable with Cole. Yeah. I'm on his. I feel like we're always on our level. We're okay. Right. This is true. Do you remember our first time?

Oh, yes. It was one haul. Yes. I have not won yet. Our first time was Byron Nelson Monday qualified. I went into a playoff with the man right here. That's right. Is he the one that didn't shake your hand at the end?

He just bolted. He was out of here. But you were like, it was your first tournament. No, I was in college. You were still in college. Yeah, I didn't turn pro yet. That was your first tour event. Yeah.

And you qualified and I didn't. No, you ended up getting in, though. I ended up getting in. I didn't qualify. There was a three for two play. playoff, you, me, and Michael Boyd. And y'all lost to both of you? Jesus, pretty.

This ain't right, man. What are you doing in a Monday anyways? Oh, man. I thought I just lost to you. He's told that story before. He's like, so I win this play. I'm a college kid. This has been my dream playing in the fire.

And I fucking go out, whatever you did, Bertie or whatever. And he's like, Michael, as soon as I make Bertie, Michael Island's fucking bee line to the parking lot, he didn't even shake his hand. Him and Michael Boyd had to keep going. Boyd comes over, Shakespeare.

He's like, congratulations. Michael, you just wait for 40 yards. Just waiting. That's your memory of me. Good luck, shit break. Well, no, at first I was like, God, this guy's kind of a dick. And then you got into the tournament and I got to meet you and I'm like, okay, I love this guy. I knew we'd be friends because we're always who we are.

You did the same thing if you've been on tour for forever at some college punk inside air makes a birdie like this fucking kid. Yeah, it doesn't even matter for this guy. He didn't even take any money. He's good. What's the point of the bad? I want to go back to some of your earlier days though because I'm fascinated about University of Nevada Reno. because Reno is, I've had some good times there. It's a very interesting city,

but I want to know what the biggest little city in the world was like back in the early 80s. Doers was a big part of it. As one would expect. Yes. You know, it was just a place. I went to Sam Ateau Junior College for a year. And, you know, I didn't have a whole lot of choices. People were really knocking at my door.

So my good buddy Dave Beal was up there and he got me to go up there and look at this school. I didn't see the campus until the next trip. But I go, this is going to be a good place. And they're going to give me a scholarship. I'm in, you know? And that was kind of it. And in the end, it was a great place to go to school. It was so much fun.

And we had a great time. We got to play in great events. I love the best. My favorite part is I didn't see the campus doors. Right. Cool. So should I come out for a trip? No, no, no.

Let me just tell you about it. There's palm trees. It's beautiful. There's babes everywhere. And when you finished... Weren't you not convinced that you were going to go into a pro... Wouldn't you, like, stockbroker? You were going to be a stockbroker?

My first job, I got hired by Morgan Stanley. Well, I got in the training program. My father got me in. And I went through it for two weeks. And we got the U.S. Open Olympic Club. And so my father came home and said, why do you want to do that? And really sitting there cold calling

and going through this training was not really working that. great for me in my mind and so I went and I my father said you know take care you for two or three years so you get the open at that time they said they decided the US open only about three years ahead of time and so I said sure I'll go I'll go play golf you know and yeah and so eventually I got in like the Asian tour then I got in the European tour and I came back I never got into that open never even got to the second stage um had a great great time at the Baltimore. What's the preakness? The preakness was really good. The freakness was great.

My golf wasn't so good, but I was doing okay. I still had another year on the tour or finished that year out. And I went back to Europe and I finished like fifth, third, third, third or something, kept my card easy. And I go, well, I actually made some money. I mean, why wouldn't I keep playing? And so from that point on, I kind of kept playing. That was 1987. Yeah, I mean, you're considered a journeyman out there. I think, considered a journeyman. He's a shirt, buddy. He's been on so many journeys.

You're one of those guys that I'm guessing had a few trips to Q school. I was the king of Q school. That's my locker at Mason Country Club. King, man. Q school, all-time money winner. That's my locker. How many trips? Yeah, this is fascinating.

I think I've been to Q school probably 12 times. I made it nine. That's the best record in the history of Q-School. I'll tell you, all the things I've done in my life when you kind of look back at it and a little more serious note, you look back on it, and it's like, you know, I wasn't a great player, especially back

then, but what I was able to do is make it through there and take care of my family, you know, and the perseverance to do that every friggin year, which was a whole regiment of its own. When the year was over, I had this regiment of

digging up my yard, usually I'd pop of waterline, and my buddy had to come over and save the thing from drowning my Dick Roberts. And it was just like this thing. Then I'd go and I practice for like three weeks. Just grind, you know. But that's why I couldn't play on tour. I could practice and get good for that week.

But I couldn't really, I couldn't play a year. I wasn't that great a player. It was also different than like the money wasn't what it was now. So if you're a guy trying to hang on to a tour car, is like, that doesn't mean you're flying private and doing all the, it's like, you know, can I make enough to stay afloat, feed my family and keep going? Yeah, the only year I kept my card, I finished third at Phoenix, and I made $50,000, you know? I mean, that was my best finish.

And I'd finished actually the third week before that in Tucson. And I made $100,000 and that basically kept my card. And I was the only time I kept my card in those first seven years, which is why I quit. Which we'll get to. I want to know, was there any, do you have any crazy stories like where you birdied the last to get it, get your tour card at Q's school or anything like that? Well, I do have one. but it was kind of the opposite. Okay.

That's even better. Perfect. I was the guy in the last group, maybe second or last time. I think it was the last group in Houston. And I had played the front nine and, you know, even or won over. Had it made easy, just, you know.

I could base almost bogey in, and then I started bogey in until I started through a double bogey in there. And then it came down to the last hole, and I had that back-right pin at Houston where we play in a few weeks in disparity. And there I am with a three iron from the left rough, the left, you know, short cut there. And I have to make par. And the friends come out and told me, you're on the number.

Yeah. And it's like, this was like brutal. And so then I actually did. And then I get in this playoff. And we're playing for like 48th, 49th, 50th, 51 spot, you know. And you're not even getting cut. We're all getting in. But me and God, what was his name?

was a great guy. We ended up playing like six holes. One guy got out, another guy got out, me and him, we're just going on and going out. We're playing for like 50 and 50. Yeah, like, this is the most worthless thing ever, you know. We finally just go, hey, it's getting dark. We've been out here forever.

This is miserable. Let's just hit a bunker shot. And I won. They let you do that? They let you. Did you have to go to a rules official? Like, hey, the rules officials were out there. They were out there.

They were out there. They're like, you know, this is enough 50, 51. Who cares? You're getting the same starts. Yeah, we're in the same. It didn't matter. I mean, you've obviously had great success there at QSchool, as your locker at Mesa says. But don't you wish it was still around?

I mean, there's Q School, but it's just to get the Corn Ferry Tour now. But the direct route is just so great. And it's so tough for the guys today. I mean, it really is. Now, you've got to be a great player day to get out there. I think it's a different animal than it was when we were out there. Well, me, you're very young. Relative.

He doesn't have white in his beard. I got no hair on my head. But, you know, it's a different animal now. It really is. The kids are so good and so talented. I really enjoy watch. I actually wanted to go out and be a walking scorer for the Phoenix Open just to watch some of the guys. I watched McElroy when I, you know, when I was last out when I was 52, I haven't seen any of these kids play.

I would love it. I sit there and work out with ROM every day, but I've never seen him hit a ball in person. It goes really far and really straight. It looks that way. Sometimes it falls a little bit to the right, most of the time. Sometimes. And all the irons go at the pin. It's really annoying.

And Phil Michael had said he'd never gamble with him again because he's smart. He can't. Yeah. Because he's smart. You don't lose too often doing that. Anyhow, he's amazing to watch workout. I'll tell you what. He can throw some weight around, huh?

And you know what he does like this guy, Spencer's got this at THB. He's got this thing. He's got him training. He does this like kickboxing thing. his elbows and he starts el i mean i'm telling you what he's also the top ufc fighter of all the golfers on tour this guy would he would do some damage to you i'm telling you just watching his workout so just letting you know that so if you if you actually win money from him good luck getting it yeah yeah exactly you can owe me you can oh me it's fine dude i'll see you yeah that's right yeah and you'll

win it back yeah so scotty sheffler next time you play in the rider cup be careful he's training to be a ufc fighter as well he might kill you if you beat him against it's it's a it's um the other guys, those guys are amazing out there what they do. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I love that you're going to be walking score. Yeah, like you get enough golf. You're like, I want to come watch these guys.

Well, we always have the galvary that always kind of sets up the shot length. So she said, well, Mike, you know, last year, you got to pass a test. Oh, man, those are tough. Not good at test anymore, right? Reno. My last test for Ques school.

That was the best thing I ever did. And anyhow, it was an eight-question thing, and I aced it. It was pretty, it was pretty, I would hope that the pro golfer. Which shots did you put in first? The one that's being hit, the next show. Yeah, I got that.

The first shot. Yeah. It wasn't a really difficult test. Would you put on one? Yeah. What's number one? Just get me started. For the love of God, get me started.

Let's talk about the time where you actually, though, I mean, because you were going for a while and then you stepped away. Yeah. I did, yeah. Which is not normal. No, but I sucked. You know, I played on tour for so long. That's a real golfer. I played seven years, and I sucked, you know, I was talking.

never keep my card. I was, you know, I kept my car that one year. It was, I just felt like I was not a dumb person. I'm a relatively sharp person. I can make a living doing something else. And I just felt I got young kids. I just wanted to get out and kind of be a, see what else I could do. And, well, it didn't work out great. How long did you stay away? Three years, four years. So I built a couple homes up at True North. Didn't do well in the beginning of the housing boom, so I lost money there. Then I went out to Wingfoot and worked at Wingfoot for a year as an assistant. Would have kept going, but I just didn't make any money out there doing that either.

But I did all the GP, GT, the PGA schools and a glass A wand or whatever. And then I tried to get into medical sales, and my best buddy here would never let me give me a job, and that's what he did. And, you know, the hips joined in hips and shoulders and knees. And I watched a bunch of surgeries. Just thought it was great. But, you know, he's still my best buddies. But he wouldn't give me a job when I really needed. Well, it's a good thing he didn't because it worked out okay.

Well, in the end. But, you know, we didn't know that at a time. I was like, I was pretty desperate. And so, you know, I was doing that. And then some friends from the, from Mesa just without me, I was still trying to play a little miniatur here, build a home, just trying to do anything I was teaching, Sun Ridge Canyon, just trying to make a living, just trying to survive.

Just, you know, I mean, we were bare bones. We didn't have a whole lot of months free to, you know, to go. So anyhow, and we were just fighting it out, and these friends said, you should go play and raise some money for them. Without me even, didn't know about it all. And I went out back to the nationwide, and I think it was what it was then, by that I don't know what it was. and I kind of went back out there, finished top 50, and then went out, I guess I still had to go another year,

and then I got back on the tour and kind of never looked back at like 42. Did you miss it while you're away? Like where you're doing the houses and all the other stuff? Were you like, man, I wish I was playing, or was it nice to not be gone all the time and see your family? It was actually just, I wish I'd been a little more successful of what I was doing. I didn't know what I was doing getting into, but I really, didn't miss it when I was doing it. I mean, I had some good thoughts. You put things in a little better perspective when you're away. You get a perspective of what your opportunities are and what

they were, you know, it could be. You know, so that was a really, it was really a good time. It got me away from the game. I'd still go out and play a little mini tour around here and, you know, win 300 bucks or whatever to help, you know. I would say beer money. Back then, it wasn't really actually beer money. It was like, okay, it helps. What changed, though, in your golf game? So you come back and then you get your tour card and I mean, you're off and rolling pretty good. I mean, your best years were after you turned 42, 43 years old. Yeah, I know. Everybody kind of thinks that, you know, really the senior tour was my time. And it was without question. But really, you know, 42, I got my card back. I lost it once and then got back. You know, it was really, the big change was

I got to give this guy Mike Mitchell and he changed everything in my car. golf swing. I used to work with Hank Haney, which, you know, I mean, that reason I quit, I was fifth place and maybe byron else in that year or something, you know. And I didn't get to practice and, you know, it was just such hard work. No one hit more balls than I did. It was all arms. It was all hands, face. It was all. And then the next two days, you know, I was nervous. I shot 78, 79 or something like that, you know, and finish the bottom of the pack. $2,500 a week man is what they called me, you know. that ain't bad. Well, it wasn't terrible at the time. At least I was a living. It's a good jickeyjack week.

Yeah. Yeah. So what, so he totally changed your golf. Mitchell is the guy, right? Like, Mike Mitchell. And I went through with, uh, guy with Mac O'Grady and all these different guys that were Doc Suddy. I mean, I went to everybody trying to figure out what the hell to do because I didn't know. I was lost, you know. And Vincent Mac actually got me his ideas and got me to Mike Mitchell, which is kind of what I thought was better. I think of the guys where they were out there then, but Peter Lennard and, you know, but I mean, yeah, but his body was always his body motion, you know. Well, he was a beast. He was a monster too. I mean, a monster.

He's a little shit house. Yeah, yeah. He was a rugby player that just slapped at the ball and it went really far. But his body works so well, and they stayed on plane. And it was kind of like, I go, that's kind of what I need to do, even though my body didn't work that well. But Bobby Knights, one of the guys that got me going. We're talking about earlier.

Bobby DeValle, yeah. Bobby DeVoll. and BD. Yeah. And so that was just like that revelation was incredible. And it was a lot of hard. I go down to hit balls at Mitch at Palm Springs for, I mean, four, five, six hours at a time. It was, you know, it was, it wasn't right.

My hand, my body was gone. But I, you know, I had to do something. And I learned how to use my body better. And then I started working out with, like Bobby and, you know, these people, I started working out and getting my body to work properly. and the clubs and everything kind of started matching. And even though I wasn't always going to be great, I knew when I had a big round,

I was still going to hit the ball well. I wasn't going to just, you know, lose it like in Dallas that year. Talk about the clubs because that's actually a very interesting. You go to Mike, you completely transform your body, your swing, all that stuff. And you go from playing like, what, standard, lie, blah, you know, all that plus or minus one. And then you were two degrees up and you went to, didn't you go to five degrees flat?

Six degrees, yeah. I mean, that's eight degrees. Eight degrees. that is, I mean, a lot of people could put it on the... There got to be a lot of toe shots involved in that transition. Well, it was a process. It was a two-year process that I would go there and... Literally, I would go down to Palm Springs every other week.

And my car, I didn't even have to... I didn't have to be awake. My car made it there on my own, you know? It was just, it was one of those things. I just, I had to make it work. I believed in it. I believed in something different. I believe in myself that I could do it

if I could get the right equipment or idea around me. And... Was that to eliminate left? Because like the flatter you go where you're just like, I need unleftable clubs. That was exactly the number one thing we did

was get rid of left. That'll do it. Six degrees flat. And in the end, if I really need to hit a draw, I could hit it better than I ever could. Are you still... Are your clubs still six degrees flat? No, my body can.

I was going to say you get pretty low. But I am still like two degrees flat. Yeah. From two up to six flat is unbelievable. It was amazing. I mean, you got to try to hook it as hard as you can and it ain't going to laugh.

It finally got six flat at the open at Pinehurst. And I was hitting these things. He goes, Mike, I'm going to come back. Hit this six iron now, you know? He just come back from the trailer. It was like on the range. It was coming out perfect, you know. Then I missed a couple right on the tournament days.

And I was like, what did you do this? well it's at 56 now yeah it was like 56 we were at 58 we were like you know that's like hogan clubs were like that yeah he had those type of deals i've seen one mocked up to his and tried to hit it i mean you can't hook it his clubs are shorter too and that was and that was the whole philosophy behind everything you know it really was it's a nice feel it was and i mean i played some of the great golf i ever played with that you know i i stood there when i won that senior pGA in that last hole and that bunker on the right but it was like all the shit was left that was where you couldn't go under those trees you know and actually watching the video later it was like all those guys

when they made bogeys they hit it left we're voting the bunker i stood up there and just nailed it you know no way was your driver like that too were they flattening that out we got as far as we could the driver was a hard one's got three woods were hard yeah all the woods are tough yeah yeah so that was really the best part of my career. I got in there and, you know, as we say, everybody says the Champions Tour, but really from about 44 to 51, you know, I play great. I mean, you know, it's like me when I go and win the, that senior PGA. I had just finished top 20 at Quail Hollow and TPC. Now, if you're Tiger Woods, they're like, what the hell's wrong with this guy, right? You're 51 years old, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, 50 years old. And I'm Michael Allen. It's like,

well, those are good weeks, you know? I make a lot. I make a lot. You're like, 100,000 over the week. And you're in like that no man's land of 45 to 50 where most people kind of go away and wait for the champions. Who are you playing your, I think you had, what, three runner-ups after 45, your best finishes? Yeah, I know. That was always a joke because I'm going to win the, well, actually, after the senior tours, I almost had one. I had won when I was 51. Yeah. I lost to Bill Haas. Weren't you back and forth even after you were 50 still playing some tour? I kept playing, and the only reason I went to the senior tour, I was sitting there when I was

51. No, I guess I was 52, because I played it was 50, 15. 51, I kept playing, maybe I was 51. And I kept, I called my, my buddy, Johnny. And I was like, Johnny, you know, what am I going to do? I talked to a few people. I got this dilemma. I'm still playing the tour. I know I can keep my card this year, you know.

I'm going to be 110, 120 if I, you know, do well. Not like I'm, or I can go play the Champions Tour. What do you think I should do? What do you know? I love it out there. I'm playing good. I'm competing. And, you know, he's like, Mike, slow down.

Take the job you got. You're going to have that job for the next 10 or 12 years, 15 years. Go play the Champions Tour. Stop this crap, you know. And he talks sense into me. And, you know, I mean, it was a great decision, obviously. Tell us a little bit about, yeah, it was obviously a great decision. It worked out very, very well eight wins later.

But I want to know how much, like, the PGA tour changed from when you first were out there towards the end of your career. Like, I mean, I've heard stories of where, I mean, there was no working out and practicing after rounds back in the day. It was straight to the bar for a couple. Yeah. I missed my air. The good old days. I know. Yes, it did. Well, you really missed the champions tour with Fuzzy out there and JJ.

But, you know, Crenshaw and these guys were so great. But, yeah, I mean, when I first got out there, I mean, I was young, green behind the ears and played in Europe a bit and had fun. But it was like, you got out there. And I was odd by it, to be honest with you. I wasn't really in my mind. element. I think when I was, you know, my late 40s, I was much more on my element. I was more comfortable. Who were some of the guys you hung out with in your late 40s? Oh, God, well, I mean, when I was younger, I hung out with Brandl a lot and God, who else? Was he always reading?

Yeah. Was he always reading books and using good words? Well, we would play chess at night. We would play chess. And this guy, I started beating him all the time, you know? I was better than him. Oh, we got to bring that out. Oh, yeah. We'll use that. Yeah. And then, and then he started I read books. Of course, we'd be playing. Chess books? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course, we'd be playing, and I'd have him like in check. Okay, whiskey break. We got to take a break here, whiskey break. You know, I don't know what the hell he'd do, but all of a sudden, I was in check, you know, four moves later. Go back and call his buddy. Yeah, I don't know what it was, but, you know, he was a good friend. I don't know, Duffy was all right. I don't know who I hung out with that.

Didn't you run around with daily back in South Africa or something? Or like in the late 80s or something? A little bit, a lot more as of late. And I'm trying to kind of stay away a little bit. You know, John's such a beauty. I love the man. God, I always love this story of, you know, when we went to his house after we played the two ball on the Champions Tour,

we go to his house, it's his 52nd or third birthday. I mean, we got the RV, got all his buddies, you know, Captain Kenny who comes in and you know you think captain and then everybody says captain Did you eat John Daly I mean that's how big this guy is right and all these guys are so big you know So we get to Dardenelle and we pull in the RV there's seven or eight of us in there you know drinking a whiskey and Michael you ready for Darden Hill Missouri misery you know is like Doors I am to yes I am and I'm just like I have like I have like okay

Okay, we get there and we go. So we get to his house. And we're going to go to his brother's house for this party going on. And it's only about 15 or 20 of his buddies there. Anyhow, he gives us all carts. So there's about 10 of us in carts, you know, driving through the freaking wilderness, right? I mean, you're bouncing through. He's got lights on his and there's a cup to have lights and there's about six that don't.

And, you know, it's just like, you know, dusk right now. We're bouncing through. And all right, it's not that bad. anyhow me and his caddy come back about you know midnight and i mean when i get to the thing it's like all right a nice scotch what are you going to have mike i'm going to have a scotch throw some ice in there and fill myself a nice scotch all right good these guys go okay that's great they take that bottle and just start chugging it you know i'm like this could be a long night here we go it's good we're off have you seen anyone that can go toe to toe with daily oh man i don't

I don't know. With his friends. His friend. The dude that did not hate him. It sounds like he could go. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, so he's been a great friend. He's always so funny, you know.

Trying to get back that night was kind of tough. He did tell me out to Mars. He'd never want to go into. Of course, you can't see it. Right. But the last car to live there haven't found yet. Yeah. Yeah, but, you know.

But you ran with a, I'm sorry. I just wanted to add one question about Daley. I mean, in all seriousness, have you seen a guy with more natural talent? Oh, man. I'll tell you what. We play that two ball. I know I'm always bugging him because I hit first. You know, I'm like his son.

But you know what? He is. He is so naturally good. You know, it's just like, it's amazing. And I start, you know, playing a little shitty with him here and there. And I said, Michael, just hit the ball in the middle of the club, will you? Just hit the ball in the middle of the face. God, damn, that's all you got to do?

Yeah. You know? Mitchell never told me that. No, he didn't. We never talked about that. Idiot? I know. I mean, he is.

He's so simple, but he is. I mean, he'll sit there, you know, in his RV just on an angle, drinking whiskey all night and icing his knee and stuff. And he gets up the next day and he swings it to here. I mean, his first swing, you know, I mean, he really is. He's an absolute freak. He's a beautiful man. He's a real piece of work. I got to tell you.

He's one of my favorites. You ran with another dude. that I think I've heard other people put him in the same category in terms of how hard he runs, but also how talented he was, and that's John Jacobs. JJ, your boy, who I think Lee Trevino's exact quote was, if JJ didn't have every vice in the world, you would have never heard of Jack Nicholas. For the people who don't know John Jacobs, talk a little bit about Johnny. Well, I'll tell you, one of the last great times we had, we were out that two ball.

and Fuzzy and JJ and I all had rented these little apartments off the thing. And so Fuzzies, they're playing. They're terrible. And they're hammered when they come back. I mean, they're terrible. They're hammered. So they come back. We're going to go out and have dinner.

We end up at this like Benihana's, you know? And we go to Benihana's and we're sitting there. And JJ, you know, is, man, the fucking thing. How do you the fucking bow? What the fucking, you know, everything, every third word is. That sounds right. Yeah. You know?

It was just. priceless, you know. Or we went fishing. We went fishing up in Seattle, went on the boat, and they were going to kind of catch fuzzy on the way in. You know, they wanted to see what he caught and all that for TV there. And so we go out and we're going to go fishing. And JJ's like, well, that island there, there's a really nice little harbor. There's a bar on that harbor. And we're going to, let's go there. Let's try it, you know. And so, you know, here we are at noon, 1 o'clock. We're pulling into the harbor and we're, you know, starting to put a few down. And, you know, We're kind of out there hanging around.

Turns out there was another harbor right next to that. So we got back in the boat and actually got to that. Well, we never pulled out a fishing line, but we got back. And it's like, we got to find some fish because these guys are going to meet us. So Fuzzy goes to the fishing thing there and buys this frozen salmon or two, you know. And they're on ice. They're frozen solid. In a wrapper.

Yeah. They were originally in a wrapper. They were. That's the ice. In the paper. Yeah. And so we get to the thing, and we pull up to the harbor, and there's the TV, you know. They're kind of pulling up, and they got the crew out there.

And I was the fishing, you know, I kind of walk off. And, you know, he pulls out the fish, and its tail is still kind of stuck to the side, you know. It's still frozen, you know. And so he starts talking about it. We did great. I walk off because they don't want to talk to me, and I walk off. The guy says to me, is that fish frozen? Is it frozen, really?

The tail's not moving. No, I just got it, do you? Water's cold. You went to get some fish, you got some fish. We got some fish. We got some fish. We're going to get JJ on here. At some point, we're going to just let him go for, I've just talked to him actually recently.

He's going to come. Yeah, he's hard. It's like Sasquatch. Is three of these enough? This is the lot. Three of these bottles are right here. Yeah. I don't know if he's really on whiskey these days.

He's been on vodka for quite a while. He's always on vodka. He's always on vodka. It's clean. It keeps him clean. Exactly. Keeps it tight with the vodka with the handle a day. But we're going to get him.

Because his stories are legit, unbelievable. Oh, no. That guy is the, he is truly the funniest man. If there was ever a book written about someone, it should be about him. It would almost feel like fiction. The crazy thing is almost all of it is true. Yeah. It is amazing.

I went to buy him a drink at Brennan's the other day. Well, not the other day. You know, five years ago. For five years. Well, five years ago. Okay, five years ago. And I was like, you know, so I'd go in there and I just want to get my boy a cocktail, whatever he's drinking.

He goes, okay. You're going to die of Coke. And I go, wait a minute, now, can't be, no. That guy out there. See the guy out there smoking? Yeah, Diet Coke. I go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Can I pull her out there?

I pull her out the door. I go, that guy smoking a cigar, the better thing, that guy right there. He goes, yeah, diet Coke. He goes, he's never, she says he's never had a drink. drink in here. When he when he's gambling, when he's betting the horses, he never has a drink. Probably I never wins.

That's when he thinks he's working. That's what he thinks he's working. That's great. That's his work. That's what he does. I want to hear a little bit about because when you're hearing your off weeks, you're down at Mesa Country Club. Joel Damon's a member, Brandon Harkins. I know there's some good men's games going on.

Jimmy Gunn. Jimmy Gunn, who caddyed for you recently. Give us a little idea what it's like down there at Mesa Country Club. Oh, man, it's just, you know, I can kind of play where I want, and I just, those are my friends down there. I just, I love playing. It's go out the pro, Scott Wright is such a great guy. Plenty of doers.

Plenty of doers. Plenty in that group. You know, it's just one of those places, you know, you got your boys up there at Whisper. It's just, you know, I just love going down there. We play six-sums or eight-sums every day. You play all your friends. We play in under four hours. Some days we have these skins games, especially with COVID.

There'd be 20, 25 of us on the freaking green, you know. I mean, we just had a great time down there. And that's what it is. It's not any great place. But it's fun. It's a good time. And to me, that's what, you know, I still want to work at golf and kind of be good. I'm really trying this year, you know, when I'm kind of done.

But, you know, it's just like, so I try, but going there is what's fun. That's what I like. I would rather play with all my friends and have a good. time than play augustin national whatever i don't care i just i like being around the people and to me that's what mesa is you know who can pound it's a great hang who can pound more white claws and around joll damon or brandon harkins it's a lot i'll tell you with the both of them start doing those shooters you know they pop those things a little chug bud yeah yeah those are tough and i think jol is definitely the white claw guy i think brandon maybe a beer guy or is he just white

i don't know i just know joll's the white dog jill's definitely white claw lifts that stock every month. Oh my God, yes, indeed. How he doesn't have a deal with them, or maybe he does, is a mystery to me. Well, it really is. Now, are they allowed to do that on tour these days? I don't know. He took a shirt off recently.

What are they going to do? He's kind of set the bar. No, everybody does. By the way, I heard you did that recently down at Mesa. Did you pop it off? You pop the top? Why did you hear that? Don't you worry about our sources?

I just heard that happened. Did you pop the top? No, I didn't. I was changing a shirt because, We were playing a thing, my God. Were you sweating too much? It's winter. Well, I did want to show off my abs, you know.

They're not bad. I love it. I'm getting rid of the kegher. Oh, you bust out. How the hell would you get that way? That's pretty good. Joel is kind of like a mini mic, honestly. Like, he goes.

He's a hell of a golfer, hell of a talent, but he has his fun, too. He's just a better player. He's a great guy. And that's good for you, too. Like, getting ready to go play out there. You playing with Joel and Brandon and Jimmy. And they bring their friends out sometimes. you know, Max Oman comes out

and different guys and he had a guy what comes back last year. You know, I'm struggling. I'm finishing 50th on the senior tour not doing great, you know. You know what? I'm going to bring John Rom down there. Like, really? Great.

So I can outbett him? Well, no, he made $20 million. I probably not going to out bet him. He's better. Okay, yeah, great idea, Kenny. That's great. Yeah, he didn't show up the first time. So now he's going to, next time,

he's going to bring up John. I'm like, just bring the best guy on the planet. That feels about right. Yeah, great. I got a partner. Yeah. I'll bring a guy.

Think of what it'll do for your confidence if you take him down. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. I try to play those guys, man. You know, Mesa, it is like,

you know, you get out there. If you hit it long, all those part five, it's a fun course, though, no desert. It's in good shape.

Yeah, you don't screw up people. He told me we were asking to do the podcast. He's like, I was like, how is Wednesday where he's like, Let's not do it Wednesday. That's Wednesday.

I might be a little sloppy. Can we do it Tuesday? I love that. Wednesday's not a good day. Whatever you want, bud. Yeah, that's right. I was told I also got to ask you about the Sanford Invitational. Apparently there was a special four iron you hit there one time.

A four iron? You melt the foreiron. Just ask about the four iron at Sanford Invitational. I don't think. I don't know if that guy would go there. Salsa wouldn't do that. to me. I mean, the one that I chunked, I still had like 85 yards. He walked it off the tee to the, on the 17th hole. I think it was like really windy the last time. And I was

kind of losing it. I started missing everything. I was, I was really not doing well. Of course, Bernhardt was playing great. That's weird. Shocker. Yeah, I know. Yeah, right through all the misery. I bet y'all hang out a lot. You and Bernard, I feel like you have a lot in common. You guys are probably a riot together and JJ and John Daly. Well, you know, the funny thing is Bernhard gives me less. He helps me now. So I don't think that's really been, you know, think that I'm really doing well on tour anymore when Bernhard's

giving me, help me with my puny. He's like, I'll help this guy. He's struggling. Yeah, for all those years, for six, eight years, we competed so much. Oh, not a chance, you know? And now he's like, you know, Michael, you can't put like you, you got to get your hand more here. You got to keep the, you know, he's, he helps me all the time now.

Michael, you got to keep the center good. You know, you've got to be like this. Here's a great little Bernhardt's story. This is just funny. I always tell this story, kind of. So we're having dinner over at Max's, and he comes back. And Max's gotten fired from Taylor. Blah, blah, blah.

And now, he makes this big tiramist. He feeds everybody. He's this great Italian cook. And so Bernhardt comes back over with his son, Jason. And they're sitting there, and they're, like, you know, having dinner, and we're talking. And anyway, he pulls out of the tiramisu. And, you know, his little son Jason's looking at this.

He's drooling. He's like, oh, man. You've already had 1,200 calories. Oh, no for you. Yeah. The kid's looking at it. This plate of tiramisu, you know, is like... How old's the kid?

He's 10, 12? No, I've already had 12. You're over your calorie allot, man. Go puke. Go puke. You eat that, you got to go puke. Tied around his sweater tied around him, you know, and all that. like, come on, you gotta be kidding, you know?

You eat that, you're doing 200 pushups? He just takes his cap. Oh, it's okay. But I mean, you know, that's like Bernhard, right? He's just like, you've already had 1,200 calories. I've heard there's no one more disciplined. Not a chance. Well, I don't know how he does it.

I truly don't. What's his practice? Are you getting done playing? You go back upstairs, have a couple pops, whatever. Does he be banging balls all week? If I go out and put, I'm doing great. You know, do something after around. I feel good, you know?

Besides having a cocktail or with him. the cock, you know, I mean, it's, but he goes out, the ability to do what he does is, is pretty hard. It's amazing. It's really it. He's 64? 64. And the desire to want to do that is even maybe more, you know what?

I still like playing golf. I like trying. I like getting out there. I'll work two or three hours. I like put my time in. And golf isn't cheap, you know, it comes hard. But this guy has the ability to go out there all day, every day. the desire to want to do it,

it's remarkable. It truly is. And to never burn out. Like constantly every day. It's crazy when you've done it for that long because he's done it since he was a kid. I got things I'd rather do. I'd rather go and have a drink.

You guys. Oh, yeah. Well, damn shit you out. Hide away on my bike or cook or do something. There's so many things I like to do that, you know. And you still being the dudes that are 50 that are coming. When these new guys come out, you got Ernie recently, Phil's made his way out there,

Furek, all these guys come out. When a guy like you, who's had a big run out there. When they come out, are you excited? Like, oh, cool, we got Ernie. Now, or are you like, fuck? There's another dude, I got to beat. I just moved down a spot.

Yeah, great. Phil's out of the $7.50 out here on the champion store right now. Yeah, oh, that's great. Like the guys when they're interviewed, like, oh, no, we love having Phil out here. This is great for our tournament. But deep down, are you like, damn it? Well, I can only say that, number one, Phil O'Micholson has never asked me out to dinner. At best.

So I've never had fun with that, son of a bitch. I've played with him had a nice time with him a number of times. I'm not against him being out there, but he's certainly not going to help my pocketbook for sure. Hopefully, you know, it helps the tournaments do better. And, you know, I mean, he's already made $100 million. Yeah. Take the over.

Yeah. 100 million. Bring more tan of gallons out there. The earnings are like the appetizer. You got a porter house sitting behind those. At least Ernie will have a drink here and there with you. You know, he's pretty serious out there. They're all pretty serious these days.

So who's a dying you're a dying breed dude. Yeah. That's true. Who's a guy out there though that I think people would, people might get a misconception of? Oh, God. Sneaky. Like we know Bernhard's a robot and works hardest.

Yeah. As can be. Yeah. We know what you are. We know that you're the greatest. We know what Daley's doing and JJ if you can dig him up. Who's a funny guy? I mean, obviously Hallberg's so great.

Jane Sowers is a really good guy. like hanging out with him. God, who are the other guys? I was thinking about that today, actually. I had a funny thing for you, and I forgot about it already. I actually did. I can't believe it. A surprising person.

This guy would have surprised the shit out of you. I just was thinking about it today. I was hitting a couple balls. I was like, that would be good, and now I can't think of it. That's why me and Joe Biden are going to have a spelling bee. Because I'm losing a little bit. I'm like, me and him are competitive. I'm telling you.

You are an absolute beauty. Oh, God. We haven't even got to the part yet. I agree. We haven't got the fun part yet. That'd be a good story. I forgot. I did.

Who was? I was thinking about that. I tell people though when I first got on tour, like, I think everybody that watches on TV thought VJ was probably kind of a hard ass and kind of a dick to people. And he was so nice when I was out on tour. I agree. I had played a lot of practice with him. He was a good guy.

He's the only guy, something major guy, you know, that had a party for everybody. He had, we had TPC. he had 100 people over every year. Yeah. You know, and, you know, spent $50,000 on wine or whatever. I mean, he's been a good man. He is definitely an underappreciated person. I agree.

Good Trash Talker, too. Yeah, well, he's got a lot more money and I have the bet. Is he still grinding? I mean, he's got, he's gone for his marketing. I love when I turn on and I see BJ, because I just can't wait to see how he's putting that week. I'm like, here's some shit I never thought was even physically possible. You know, got to like, oh, if I do this, my wrists get eliminated.

And the gloves on and the, and the, Putters a different length every time. He's awesome. He's been a second of the U.S. Open at Pebble Beach, putting with his eyes closed. He's tried legitimately everything. Does he ever go back-to-back weeks or three weeks in a row with the same method?

I really got to tell you, I don't watch. Yeah, that's smart. I don't watch. Lids are focused. Tunnel vision. Yeah, yeah. I enjoy it. No, I mean, he sits out there and practices so much.

You know, I don't know. I don't put him down or whatever. It's, I don't understand in life how you want to do that. much he's still got that big swing to that he's always out there flipping tires i know these they're flipping tires all kinds of nonsense i saw him the first time i went to memorial and went out there and watched he was still younger on the tour it was still a great player and the memorial range massive range right so they had everybody in like one area so the fans could watch them vj went all the way down to the other end so i had this like inside the rope so i went down i was like i want to see what vj

does and he went to the upslope side hill of the rough and drop balls in the rough and uh started hitting drivers off the deck in the rough they were going dude they were flying 48 yards and tumbling it wasn't ever getting there and he sat there and did it for like 30 minutes working on his like I guess driver speed oh unbelievable I was like you never worked on hitting driver out of the rough I mean I probably should have it was the one shot I didn't have in my arsenal no shit I could come in hand who the hell doesn't who doesn't work on that would have come in handy I should look at it I should have just gone six degrees flat I might have been a fucking well you might have been it yeah I know you were very well it was Mitchell when I needed him I know all right

way your ass. It's now time to get to the emergency nine, which is very, very fun. It's a little rough. I don't know if it's going to be fun for you, but we'll see. But we ask this to everyone. I'll be quick with it. No, you don't. We make this. We can think on this. Okay. We ask us to everyone. You can trade, you can be trade lives with anyone, dead or alive for a day. You need to be somebody else for a day. Who would you want to be? Wow. Not Bernhardt's kid. Watching your calories. You starve to death. One day for a kid. I'll tell you what. I know maybe Elon Musk.

I love that, man. I just, I love, I would love, I guess that's probably the wrong question and answer, because one person I like to have dinner with would be Elon Musk. Okay. I mean, just of someone that's not family that I would have, I think he would be the most interesting people in the world. Why don't you just be him for a day and see what it's like? It would be amazing.

I would love to be him for a day. Just a couple of elite minds of the world chopping it up. Can you imagine what would be accomplished at that dinner? You know what? I'm not that smart to understand most of the stuff he talks about, but I love what he does. I love who he is. And I just think, you know, one of the things I watch is all the, you know,

stratosphere and stars and all that. And it's just like to watch this stuff and what, you know, I can just imagine what he's going. That's all. I don't know. That's enough. Don't pick him on tax day. He's about to pay like $5 billion taxes.

If I could pay $5 billion, I'd be all in. Happily right that day. There you go. Go blow this on some more dumb shit. That's what I paid. All right. And you know what? I still got $45 billion.

Exactly. I'm all right. I just, hold on. I just made it back right now. Cool. Everything's good. I'm back to hold. Exactly. I love his company.

First one for me. Do you feel like you missed your calling of being a Hollywood actor after your electric performance at the Mesa Country Club commercial that was aired, by the way, more times than any commercial for like a year straight on Golf Channel and all the show? Well, locally for sure. Yeah, locally. Yeah. I thought I did.

I thought that, you know, I still have a voice for radio and, you know, that commercial was, I actually was YouTubeing it because I was like, I got to remember if you had like a catchphrase or some shit like that. There's an outtakes on YouTube. I was like, if you have friends, then you're golf, then you golf with me. I'm Michael Allen. I don't like a golf. I can play anywhere. If you want to have fun, come to Mesa.

That's it. What a voice. Are you surprised you didn't win an Emmy? I really am. It's an Oscar. I got a little more notes. It didn't go national. Not.

Isn't MIS? TV, buddy. Amy's TV. You'll learn one day. Oscar. Me? No, I'm radio. Well, I guess we didn't.

Yeah. All right. Yeah. I thought it was a hell of a show, though. That commercial came on. I've never been more locked into commercial. Just for the record so you can learn Grammy is music. Grammy is music.

That's what it is. That's more where I'm doing. All right. What is the name of your favorite drink at Mesa Country Club? Pornhub. Okay. Explain. Well, it is kind of awkward.

Everybody doesn't get it, but it actually started from the, the, uh, the throw. What's our Johnny O throw? The dry heave? Yeah, you're dry heave. It started on the dry heave. And McCor was up there and my partner was Mike Barnblatt. And so we are, he couldn't figure out what it was. It was Michael Allen. Here's Barnplatt, Barnblatt, Pornblatt, Pornblatt. He didn't know how to say his name.

So it was fine. The next day, though, we're playing Trent and from Whispy. Denny. Trent and Denny, and we're playing those guys in the next day. And so they got on the tea in the first hole. Hey, Pornblatt or Pornhub. No, sort of Pornblatt, which turned into Pornhub that day.

That's how it became Pornhub is because we were drinking those drinks, which is vodka, light soda, very light orange juice. You know, that's what it is. That's a Pornhub. That's a simple drink. That feels like a Denny. Oh, and I'm telling you what, those guys,

we had such a great day. a bet and I said, Barney, don't we're giving them four shots. We'll be tied by the 10th hole. And we were. Under it. Under it. Wait till Trent has to chip. We had so much fun with those guys. God, it was great. I love those guys. See, just walk into the grill and give me a porn hub. Yeah, there you go. Perfect. There you go. That's fine. That's what I mean, the commercial. Works better for some people than others. You should have that into the next commercial. I feel like to drink porn hubs. I thought it was going national. Come to Mesa. Well, give a time. This is a big podcast. Yeah, this will go.

porn hubs for all. Doers are going to make porn hubs soon. You're tired. Oh, you're awesome. All right, I was told you'll remember this. Okay, can you explain how it is mathematically possible to lose $900 in a $10 NASA game? McCord.

Yeah. Tell me, he told he's like, just asking him about it. Well, JJ kept doubling. Okay. I did shoot 60. McCord gave up. Standard. and yeah and basically jj kept doubling and all that so was mccord and jay against you and somebody else you

shot 60 i was told and it was start at 10 and play with uh i think it was ron burleson and barry far yeah and barry was a side bet but when your partner shoots 60 yeah i did we did 9 that's jay yeah i know he must have been drinking because when he doesn't drink he normally is a good game we always play birdies greenies you know all this stuff so they don't do any of those yeah i know and 10 birdies 12 Verdes is going to be a lot. I mean, whatever. A little friendly game. We'll $10 and ask them.

Okay, you owe me 900. I think it was actually more than that, but we'll go with that. That's probably right. I'm a court's memory suspect too. Yeah, yeah. All right, next one. We've all had accidents with our cell phones. Slees and I know both left it in an Uber.

Give me your biggest mishap with a cell phone. The last one or the, which? Give me your, whatever you think the biggest mishap was. How many you had? I've had about three new computers. Is that what they are? They're basically. Yeah, basically.

Well, I mean, my last one was Tucson. I left it on the top of my car. And I drove off. And I was looking at the car. Did you ask your caddy to go get in the middle of the road to get it? I did. We didn't find it. But the last time I left on top of my car was when I was in...

That was when I was in Canada. Yes. That was coming back from Daly's trailer. I'd take in pro out there to hang out with John. You got to stop setting on the top of your car. I realized that's my wife told me. Don't sit on top of the car. All right, sweetheart.

Now, how do you want your stuff? Oh, shit. There it is. I heard you made pro run out. to oncoming traffic to try to get your phone. Well, he wasn't, he was a little quicker back then. He was a little quicker for sure. He was quicker.

Yeah, that was pretty good. John got us a little bit hammered. Shocking. It happens to the best of us. I know. It was good times. Okay, we talked about Bernhardt a little bit. How many shots aside would you have to give Bernhardt if he had to match you

sake for sake on the golf coast? Oh, God. fleece him, would you? No chance. I don't know, actually. This thing would be over faster than Tiger and Stephen Ames. Yeah, I think so. Night, night.

Yeah. Bernhardt's tough, though. He has two drinks, and all he does is smile. Oh, and that may be like his little secret post. He's got to go socky for sake with you. Yeah, each one with you. No, it's done. It's over.

That's way over. I don't know if he'd be floating like Del Cochran did down the river, you know, on 16, but, you know, he'd be really close. He'd be real close to that. Yeah. He's not big enough to float. No, no, he probably was saying. Del's a little more buoyant. He did.

And Del floated down that little creek on 16. Pretty good. Yeah, that's right. All right. Next one. I heard one evening you were over at Jack Nicholas's house and he offered you a cocktail. Yeah. And he let you down.

Correct? Well, no. Well, I don't think he had olives, but he made me a nice. Well, he made me a vodka soda and this and that. And we were, he always does this great dinner at his house. I mean, what a beautiful place. And, you know. Perfect. Not this great, big ornate thing, you know, beautiful like you would think Jack would be.

And, you know, there I am the last guy to leave again. I don't know how it always happened. It's hard to believe. It's really amazing. It is. So I'm talking to Gary, we're just motion a little bit. And, you know, Jack's like, hey, Mike, what do you want to drink? And I was like, well, you know, vodka soda would be good. And you got some, you know, olives to go with it. No, he didn't have any olives. But other than that, you know, he turned on the mic. and he a game and we sat there and chat over about half of it. All right, well, we've done pretty well

with our sources so far. You've done incredible. I didn't know you're doing homework. Our sources told the story much differently, but we're just going to go in that version. Okay, there you go. I like to hear that source. Yeah, our sources are also idiots.

So sometimes they get, you know, they're a little game of telephone. It gets messed up a little bit. Jack should have olives, though, honestly. What's he dealing? You know what I mean? Who doesn't have olives? You got a party.

You've got a party and you don't have an olive. You got an olive tree in your backyard, I guarantee it. Go pluck me some olives. There you go. I don't know if they grow on trees. Or I'm pretty sure you can have one here in about three minutes if you need it. Well, yeah, exactly. I know.

You have anything. Yeah. Or my last one. Are you the only champions tour player whose golf playlist is exclusively Snoop, Dre, 2000s, say pop. That's it, right? Almost. Yeah. Pretty much.

Wheeler Walker Jr.? You haven't heard that? No. Oh, that's what you... Are you coaching us on music, right? Oh, you need that, yeah. Okay. I actually prefer M&M, but...

Okay, there you go. So you put Marshall in that. Yeah, exactly, yeah. You hate country, right? I'm not a big country fan, you know. Depressive. You hang around Him a lot off, you know, country. You know, country.

I don't know. I get Western also. I don't know which one to like. I don't know. But it's all, like, early 2000s hip-hop, pretty much when you're at Mesa, right? Yeah. And I heard if someone changed it to something else,

like Joel changed it. It's a country and you're like, no, no, no, no, turn that shit off. Something good, Janice Joplin. Janice Joplin. Yeah, who wants that? That's impressive. Didn't have you pegged for that. Wheeler Walker Jr.

I'm telling you. Look it up. You're going to love that. He knows it. Now, let me just tell you, let me also put that in parentheses here. You cannot play that in any crowd. Oh, it's got to be the right crowd.

Oh, yes. They got to. Yes. Not every crowd is Wheeler Walker Jr. I don't know what we're in for, but we'll be sure. You will enjoy. Okay.

However, I don't know how her mother, his mother ever came to a concert. Just going to say. Okay. Just going to say. I look forward to that. All right. Larry Pierce, Wheeler Walker.

Yeah. Last question. Okay, one of the luxuries of playing on the PGA tours, you know, a lot of places you get courtesy cars, but not all of them you do. So sometimes maybe if you're over in Hawaii, you have to rent a car.

Okay. Was there ever an incident with a rental car over in Hawaii? Yes. There was. I mean, not as of late, because I'm very mature now. but when I was younger there was yeah we went out and we

I didn't play that well that day so we went out and we took the car we went and got a we went to the where you go body surf I forget the name of that beach it's just a little north of wildlife it isn't in a vow

probably yeah I know the one you're talking about it insin a valve anyhow so we're out there and so we're like god dang we got to go get bathing suits so we go back to this place we get bathing suits we come out

and it's like pouring rain tops down, you know, but it's a converter. It doesn't matter. It's a Mustang. So we go in the sushi bar. We eat sushi. We drink a bunch of sake. Having a good time.

We've got a few extra. We throw in the back seat. It dumps around. We go out there and we just start body surfing. And we get just ripped. I mean, we are gone. We get tossed, turned. I got sand in my eyeball, my butt.

I got it in every orifice on the plant, you know, I have. And I'm just covered in it. And I would just lay at the beats. We're done. And we get back in the car and we get, and we just got sand and crap all over this thing. It is trashed. And then we get out the next day. And the car is like spotless.

And I'm like, God, dang it. 20 bucks. You guys are unbelievable. You clean this car like that. Well, we kind of screwed up yesterday. We gave you guys a wrong car. And so when they came out today, they were a bit upset. Oh, my.

They're sushi. There's wine, there's sand, there's crap. It was frigging trashed this thing. And so anyhow, yeah, they were like, wow. It's a tough break. What a time to get the wrong car. What a time to get the wrong car? It was great.

It was great. We're good for us. Tough break, bitch. Them's the breaks. I know. That was pretty funny. I got to tell you. That is great. Oh, God.

You can talk to pro and salsa about all those. Yeah. Thank you for, we're taking it. You got some raps in your operation, but we love it. guy, do we ever. Michael Allen, thank you for joining us on my man. All right,

well, that was the beautiful Michael Allen joining us on golf subpar. He's just a dude, man. He's the guy you just want to go teed up with, listen to some music, have a couple cocktails with, and get amongst it. Dude, the first time I met Michael Allen,

we were at the Twin Finn a bunch of years back. I didn't know him at the time. I show up. I see our pairing. I'm like, cool. I kind of knew the name, but didn't know him personally. We show up.

He's got like early 2000s rap going. He's got Seagoland. gar's all throughout, you know, the golf cart. He's got a bottle of sake. He walks up and shakes my hand. Got like an untucked shirt. And he's like, hey, Michael, I know you doing. Hands me a shot of sake.

And I was like, I don't know who this dude is, but this guy, we're about to be fast friends out here. And God damn, he hit it good, too, man. He was hitting bombs. It's not like flat fade that kind of tumbles a bit. And, dude, how about his story about going from, like, you know, upright irons to, like, five flat, like the shift that he made in his irons. I used to miss the ball left. A lot of golfers missed the ball left.

it never really crossed my mind to just bend my shit five degrees flat. That could have been my, that could have been when I was missing. He totally rebuilt his golf swing and like a fine wine just gets better with age. It's unreal. He plays, he's played his best golf of his career in his late 40s into his early 50s. But he has made a hell of a career out of the PGA Tour champions.

Just went out there and printed money. He's a major champion. But all in all, I just, I love being around the guy. I got lucky enough to beat him. I'm going to playoff at the Monday qualifier at the buyer Nelson to get into my first PGA tournament, which he wasn't too happy about at the time. But we soon became fast friends once he got in the event.

Love the man. Always been super, super nice to me. And, I mean, we might have to go take some acting lessons from the guy sleighs. I mean, his commercial down there at Mesa Country Club. I don't know how much it got played nationwide. I would think zero. But here in Scottsdale, here in Arizona, I'm telling you, you watch Golf Channel. That thing was coming up every single commercial break for like six months.

And it was like, hi, I'm Michael Allen. If you got friends and you're golfed friends and you golf with your friends, the Mesa Country Clay. It was the shittiest commercial. I think you could find it on YouTube and there's like some outtakes on it. I remember when I saw it, I sent him a text. I was like, this is the worst act. He's like, dude, you have no many, you have no idea how many times it took me to get before they got like the final product.

He's like, I messed up 72 times. They had to keep shortening my sentences so I could get through it. It's the best. Well, if that was the best one, I want to see the shittier ones because they got to be incredible. There's some good outtakes, and I said I watched it. He's like, yeah, they eliminated all the ones where I was like cussing afterwards and stuff. They just put the messups in there, but it's a hell of a commercial. And how about this cold?

I was kind of thinking about it. Can you remember a guy that was in the game of golf, got his tour card, and then quit and came back and actually had success? Like, he got back on the PJ tour. Played his best golf on tour after 45 and then obviously big champion's career. But, dude, there's not many guys that quit and come back and actually have success. You know what I mean? Nope. Totally agree with you.

He's got a hell of a story. All right. So there's just time to make some money. My man, Justin Thomas, got me a top 10 last week at the Masters, but not what we're looking for. We stayed away from Scotty Sheffler, and apparently we shouldn't have. Smart. So I went ahead with Brooks.

Let's get back to it. I went ahead and curse Brooks out of consecutive top 10's career record. I mean, unbelievable. It's time to move fast. We're on to Hilton Head, Harbor Town, the RBC Heritage, one of the best events on the PGA tour. We got a great field, one of the most unique golf courses. love this place. It is going to be a lot of fun. We got Justin Thomas and Colin Moore at Kawa as the favorites.

This place, I mean, I feel like Tom Orkawa, if he was going to design a golf course, this is what it would be. I mean, you got to hit incredible iron shots. The greens are crazy small. Coming off and find around 67 at the Masters, I like him as a favorite this week at 13 to 1. Yeah, hard not to pick him. Everybody's kind of limited in terms of where they can hit driver. He's going to be playing for more or less the same spot as everybody else who hits irons. better than him. Not really anybody right now that I can think of. Maybe Scotty Sheffler right now, but I'm going to go with the guy that's had some success around here. He's got a perfect fit for this golf course. Matt Fitzpatrick is going off at 20 to 1. So last year he finished fourth, had a great

week. He was 14th the year before that, so he's got some very nice course history around this place. And he just wedges it and puts it so well. He doesn't have to wear out that driver like he did at Augusta where, you know, he still somehow manages to play well around there. But just a great fit from Matthew, Matt, excuse me, Matt Fitzpatrick, and his results show that. And how about this little Nugget Slate? He used to carry a Harboretown head cover. Oh, my God. This is his favorite golf course. This is it then. That's a set in stone. Fire everything. Fire your mortgage on that. All right. For a little bit of a dark course, I'm going with my man, Kevin Kisner, lost in a playoff here a few years ago to Jim Fierick, going off in 45 to 1.

I know he always talks about how he doesn't have the lights to compete around Augusta National. He gets very excited coming to Harbourdown. You don't have to hit it far. This is another golf course that I think is just built for him. I expect Kevin Kisner to play well.

Coming off that pairing with Tiger, too, probably going to be a few less eyeballs out there, probably going to feel like a walk in the park for kids after what he went through this past week at Augusta. I'm going to go with another Kevin that I like this week. He's going off at 45-1, but that's Mr. Naa. So he's actually coming off a very nice week at Augusta,

which is a tough golf course for him. He's got to be wearing out those, that graphite around that place. But he finished 14th last week at Augusta. That was with a 79 in the third round where he really struggled. The other three rounds he played out there, 71, 71, 69, really good golf, especially on a golf course that ain't tailor made for Kevin Knaw. Rolls the shit out of the ball. We know that. And I'm going with Kevin Knaw if you're looking for a long shot, 45 to 1. All right, I like that a lot, Slease. We'll step up to the T and take a swing at betting the PGA tour on Fandul Sportsbook. Right now, new customers can place their first PGA tour bet risk-free.

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congratulations. Scottie Sheffler. First major championship. Dominant performance. World number one. So cool to see. That was a lot of fun, Sleason. Looking forward to Harbortown. And we got another very, very special guest coming up next week, which we're not going to spoil, but it is a great one. And I got to give a big shout out to Pat McAfee and AJ Hawk.

They had me on their show this week. Those two guys are absolutely incredible. I had such a blast with them. Man, they look like that. We have a lot of fun on that show. Dude, we need to do more shows than tank tops. I've decided. It works for Pat.

You know what I mean? The more time... We were finishing up the interview. And I was like, dude, Pat, thanks for having me on. Huge fan. He goes, fuck you. Your show's way better.

I was like, I love this guy. He's fantastic. What a beauty. He does it the right way, bro. Love that guy. All right, my bad. Well, I'll see you back home in a couple of weeks.

And we'll talk to you all on next week's golf so far.