Subpar - PGA Championship Recap and NASCAR legend Kyle Busch joins the show

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz are joined by NASCAR legend Kyle Busch for an exclusive interview. The boys lead off with a breakdown of Scottie Scheffler's big win before diving into the USGA Four-Ball and all things racing with Kyle Busch. --Download the Fanatics Sportsbook today and use code SUBPAR and you will get $200 in Bonus Bets when you sign up and bet $20 or more. https://joinfanatics.com/subpar Must be 21+. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, Connecticut residents call [phone],  Massachusetts residents call (800)-327-5050, New York residents call (877) 8-HOPENY, Maryland residents visit mdgamblinghelp.org.--Golf is more than a game—it’s a community built on fair play. A Handicap Index lets you track your progress and compete on equal footing, no matter who you’re playing or where you tee it up. True golfers have a Handicap Index. Sign up today at usga.org/getahandicap.--Thank you to our partners at Ship Sticks.  Skip airport stress and costly airline fees with complimentary insurance, real-time tracking, dedicated support, and on-time delivery.  Go to shipsticks.com and use the code SUBPAR20 to enjoy 20% off your first shipment.--A special thanks to our partner Zone Nicotine. Warning: This product contains nicotine.  Nicotine is an additive chemical.  Underage sale prohibited.  Introducing Zone Nicotine Pouches - the perfect balance of unparalleled comfort - longer-lasting flavor - and nicotine that satisfies.  Whether you’re zoning in for an important putt or zoning out after a tough day at work, Zone gets you there faster and keeps you there longer.  Available in seven flavors and in six and nine milligram strengths.  Find Zone at zonepouches.com and retailers near you.  Own your zone with Zone Nicotine pouches.--Experience more control where it matters most—with the Reverse Taper putter grip from Golf Pride. Engineered to stabilize both hands for a more square face at impact, it’s designed to support your natural grip and elevate your putting performance.Get 20% off a full set (up to 13 swing grips + 1 putter grip) with code SUBPAR20 at GolfPride.com — now through August 31. REVERSE TAPER. Only from Golf Pride. Respect the Grip.--The road to opportunity is often the road overlooked. That’s why Enterprise Mobility offers new roads to help drive your business forward. With mobility solutions like fleet management, flexible truck rental, and an unmatched global network, they can help your business find the right solutions. Their mobility experts find smarter ways to scale your business, so you’re not just growing bigger—you’re getting better. Find your road at enterprisemobility.com--Choose your style, pick your favorite Birdie Juice logo and shop from a line-up of top tier brands at shop.golf.com today!

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All right, let's get this party started here, Sleaze. The 107th PGA Championship is in the books. And Scotty Sheffler picks up his third major title. He won by five. If you didn't watch, you just looked at the leaderboard. You're like, oh, that had to be boring. What a blowout it was. But it sure wasn't, man.

He made it exciting there for a while on Sunday. Yeah, and props to John Rom. Let's give him some credit for showing up and making that thing interesting. I mean, going into the final round, I think everybody in the golf world was like, well, if you look at the names that were the closest to him, like, realistically speaking, they're probably not going to make a run. They're probably not going to challenge him. And then all of a sudden, you pop up around the turn,

and all of a sudden, John Rom's tight. was a moment in time, Colt, where I thought, I was like, he might, he's going to steal this thing. Like, he's the guy playing the best golf right now. He was hitting good shots. Honestly, I think just 13, 14, 15 on Sunday for John Rom. The put on 13 that looked like it was going in. The fairway went off the T on 14 that hit in the one spot on like the down slope that kicks it right as opposed to left with that little baby draw. And then the four iron into 15 that was perfect that went over and he didn't convert it for

birdie. That right there was kind of, he needed those. If you're going to beat a guy like Scotty, I think he'd let a couple get away at least there. But props to him for showing up and doing it. But, I mean, dude, Scotty is just, I mean, it's just so much better. He's so much better than everyone, dude. I mean, it takes him messing up for people to have a chance. Yeah, I walked with Scotty on Saturday.

It was, I can't tell you how hard it was playing. I mean, we're talking wind gusts, 25 miles an hour. Greens were rock hard. You saw so many. I thought there was a great pitcher from scoring after Saturday. when Scotty shoots 65, Siwu shoots even and Max shot 76, and Seawu and Max are sitting at the scorers table and just look like they got in their ass whipped for the last five and a half hours where Scotty just cool as could be, cruises through there, five under his last five on Saturday

to shoot 65. I mean, the tweets I get sleeves, I'm following the guy. They're like, you blow Scotty so hard. You're a Scotty Homer. You're so biased. I'm like, what was I supposed to say? Was I not supposed to say how great this is? out there. He just shut 65 in the third round of a major in extremely difficult conditions.

Also, doesn't he won the last, his last two starts, once he won by 13 now? Just 13. Yeah, 13 and his last two. He played 500 his last five. The Green Mile, you know, supposedly one of the toughest closing stretches in golf. Like, it gets hard when Scotty keeps winning to come on, like, different shows, whether it's radio or here and say new things about Scottie. Like, what more is there to say? Like, he's better than ever. everyone. He drives it beautifully. He's not the longest in the world, but he's pretty damn close to the top and best drivers in the world. His iron play is not even close. There's no one even close to him.

Even his bad shots, they seem to land in high. I mean, if you go back, he didn't even play well in round one. And, you know, the mud ball cost him two on 16. I don't think that that's a shot that he hits without some mud on the ball. Like, it could have been worse than it was. But he, he got off to a slow start and he still wins in a landslide. Like, it's coming up. It's hard. It's hard coming up with new stuff to say about the guy. He's just that good. And I thought he putted it really, really well when he needed to. Man, he's putting it nice right now. He missed a couple short ones here and there, but Quail Hollow with those greens that break so much, that stuff happens. But man, it was just, it was so special to watch. Like you said, I mean, you're talking

maybe B minus game the first couple of days and he's just sitting right there. ESPN did a cool piece. It was called lurking. I mean, Scott, he's just lurking right there around the lead. And then all of a sudden, I was walking with the group, and when we were on about the 12th hole on Saturday, it was like Scotty, Bryson, Braham. There was like five guys tied for the lead. Another five, one back. I'm like, this is going to be ridiculous on Sunday. It's going to be all time. And then we get to 14.

Eagle, bird, bird, bar, bird, bird, I mean, it was just, it was nuts. To do what he did to the green mile was so special. But, I mean, he obviously took care of the hard stretch very well. but the biggest difference when you go back and look at it is that 13 and 14 stretch, or sorry, 14 and 15, the drivable par 4 and the par 5 where he was 9 under for the week. I believe Bryson was 500 and I think Rahm was 300. And that's just, that's a big difference on two holes that are very getable. Yeah, and I'll go back to day one.

Like, we spent all week on radio being like this golf course, especially being wet. I think there's like 10 guys that can win this thing. And I think that's truly it. Like I think you'll see some guys you might not have. expect in the top 10, top 15, but in terms of winners, here's your guys. And we went through them the whole week. And then day one, Thursday ended, I looked at the leaderboard. I was like, there ain't one dude on here that we said was one of the 10. You know what I mean? And then by the end, though, you saw like cream rises to the top at the end. You got Bryson. You got Rom. You got

Scotty. Like it started to turn into like the leaderboard that we wanted. But yeah, at the beginning, I was like, well, put a fork in that one. That was the shittiest take of all time. But it, but it worked out like that and I think there's other people like Scotty you know we've said all the things about him props to Bryson again for that what that's five out of six majors where he's been a factor on Sunday uh coming down the stretch it was great to see John Rom play well and let's forget all the bullshit about oh he went to live he doesn't care and his game's gone like you could see it also huge props to him cult too for like he had a brutal finish and that thing was right there for the taking like we went through 13 14 15 he got up there and talked to the media the whole time

Talked about how much fun he had playing golf, and it wasn't the end that he wanted. But, like, that's not easy. There's another guy in the field that opted out of all four days, by the way. And just the guy coming off the last major championship, too. I thought that was completely Bush League by Rory, by the way, for being. I get called biased. I feel like you're kind of biased. You're pulling rather hard for John Rob here right now.

I'm just giving him credit. What do you mean I'm pulling for him? I'm just saying, congrats to him for playing good. There's a lot of hate about him. you know oh he doesn't care anymore he's lost his game he went to live and then he had a brutal finish like he didn't finish the way he wanted to uh had a chance to win that thing but he got up there and talked about it like i think you got to tip your cap to him like that there's other guys not doing it you know i mean rory no hot days coming off a master's no no media what you

what was your take on rory just bypassing the whole week yeah i didn't really understand it obviously he did his press conference and everything but um once it got leaked that The driver failed and was non-conforming, which, by the way, let's just, we can address this right now, okay? People need to relax about this. This is not a big deal. This stuff happens all the time, okay? I reached out to the PGA tour to figure out exactly how often the testing happens. I'm getting worded it's eight to ten times a year, plus all four majors.

Not every player in the field gets tested. It's random about a third of the field. This past week at the PGA championship, it was 50. The names were not supposed to get out. Somehow they did. Roy McElroy was on that list and all hell broke lists. The drivers are built to go as far as possible within the legal limit. That's what they're built for. Over time for people that don't know, the more you hit it, the harder you hit it, the thinner the face gets and the spring effect increases.

So all these guys, most guys can't play a driver for more than a year. Bryson travels with like eight drivers because he cracks him so often because of the speed. These things wear down over time. The more you hit it, the thinner the face gets and the spring effect gets more. You're not going to go out there. You're not going to test your driver every single week. Rory's driver could have been conforming on Monday and failed on Tuesday. This does not mean his driver was non-conforming at the Masters.

It was perfectly fine. This is a nothing. Should he have addressed it? Absolutely. Him, someone on his team, should have put out a statement, been like, this is the deal. Found out it failed. got a new one, put it in play. Everybody's like, this is why he drove it like shit.

He played bad at Quill Hollow. Well, he used the one that was now non-conforming. Last week of Philly and he drove it horrible as well. It is not a big deal. Royta McElroyd did not cheat. This shit happens. I gave this example on radio today, Slees, because come to find out, also,

Scottie Shephel's driver failed, and he had to put a new one in play this week. I'll just meet, Byron Nelson. Taylor Montgomery's driver failed. He had to put a new one in. You think anybody gave a shit? No. It happens all the time. It's just, like I said, all the time. It's not a big deal. It's not, these guys aren't cheating. They're not using illegal drivers. I mean, I don't know how often you check your numbers and stuff like that, but you'll notice over time when the driver gets a little older, you might notice your ball speeds a mile or two miles an hour faster. It's just because it's getting to that limit. Yeah, the closer you get to the limit, like the last drive you hit before it's non-conforming is the fastest it can be. It happens all the time. It doesn't get as much attention. obviously because it's not Roy Macquarie.

I thought the driver being non-conforming was like, I mean, you and I know, like, it's a non-issue. Like, this happens regularly. Guys get tested, it's non-conforming, boom, you switch it out, and you go to a different one. You get tested later on down the road. His team, himself, he could have put out of tweet, anything. Like, that's a nothing addressing,

but just skipping the media altogether, all four rounds, when it's like, all right, you skipped after Thursday of the Masters when your ending didn't go the way you wanted. Then you start playing good again, and now you're super available and doing a, all the media. Then you come into this week as the defending, you know, as the most recent major champion, biggest favorite here, don't play to your liking, skip the media. It just feels like, I don't know, like from a guy that a year ago, Colt, at Pebble Beach, Jason Sobel put out this tweet,

like got in the front of the media, was like, we need to hold players more accountable, especially the superstars. Like, you got to address the media, you got to speak. Like, I was just at F1 and they do this, even when they lose, and like, especially the superstars, we got to hold these guys more accountable. And then four days. I just thought it was a bad look. It makes you look like a frontrunner, in my opinion. Like, I'll talk to you as when I'm winning stuff and everything's great, but as soon as things don't go my way, I'll just, never mind.

I don't have any time for you guys. I don't disagree with you, but just for the form of an argument, I'm going to throw this out there because, you know, this all is supposed to be kept confidential, okay, when your driver fails or whatever, or who's even tested. And so I'm sure it bothered him because his wasn't the only one that failed this past week at the PGA championship. I'm sure part of him is saying, this is bullshit.

Why is my name the one that got leaked out there? Why not put everyone's name out there that failed? That's unfair to me. Like, here I am the superstar. The one who just won the career grand slam, you're throwing my name out there, and now it's making me look bad. Fuck y'all.

I'm not talking to y'all. Yeah, I don't disagree with you whatsoever. The fact that his name came out and his was the only name that came out, like it shouldn't happen. That's probably the price of being a superstar. But my point being like, take the driver thing away from it. you get up there, you address it, and be like, yeah, it's non-conforming. I switch it out.

It happens all the time. I hit the ball pretty hard. I don't know if you guys noticed. Like, you know, these things happen. And then you talk, it's put to bed. Like, it's over. And then Thursday, you talk about your round. Friday, you talk about your round.

But to go the entire week and not speak on anything when he's like the marquee guy right now, especially, like I said, after Thursday of Masters not doing it, but then doing it the rest of the week and him calling out other players just a year ago saying, we got to do this more. We got to be more accountable. It's like, dude, make up. up your mind. Like, which one is it? Like, you know, hold yourself to the own standard. So I thought that was Bush League. But the driver thing to me, I mean, I think to everyone more or less is that's a,

that's a zero burger in my mind. It should be. Social media needs to let that one die. The other thing was obviously a big topic of conversation was playing the ball down on Thursday. You know, I was there all week, right around five inches of rain going back four or five days before. I'll be honest, on Tuesday and Wednesday when I was out on the golf course, if that would have been a normal PJ tour event, in my opinion, they would not have been allowed on the golf course. That's how wet it was. It was soaked. It was sloppy. I mean, there was, it was going to be hard to find a place to drop a ball from casual water. Now, it did dry up pretty good Wednesday night, but with all that rain, they put out a statement Wednesday night, which I thought was a horrible

decision saying, we are planning on playing the ball down tomorrow. I don't even think you need to put that out there, you wait until Thursday morning to make that decision. But my deal was, and this is what I told some people of the PJ of America, it's one day, okay? You just got five inches of rain. The talk of this tournament right now is the weather and how soaked it is. Play it up one day, that way you don't have any issues where you get a bunch of players catching mud balls. Then afterwards, they're pissed off. They're obviously going to get asked about it, especially when it's Scotty and Zander,

two of the biggest names in the game that get mud balls, and they hook left into the water there on 16 and make double bow. they're going to get asked about it. They're not going to be happy about it. I just did not think it was worse the risk to play the ball down. Now, I get it. They don't play the ball up for mud balls. But I'm sorry. Some of the old school guys, I know Brandl said it, Johnson Wagner, it's part of the game. It's not, in my opinion, occasionally here and there, but when you get so many players in the field catching mud balls, like Frank Nablo and I talked about this, if that was on Sunday, coming down the stretch, and Scotty catches a mud ball. ball on 16 or somebody leading the golf term to catch them like this would have been a disaster. The fact that it was Thursday and there was plenty of time, whatever, but I just didn't think it

was worth it to go out there and play the ball down when you know there could be some really bad situations with mud balls. Yeah, I'll echo what you said and I didn't hear the Brandel and the Johnson Wagner, but like in my opinion, you never want the conditions to be the story. And it's super avoidable. And you'd also don't want like Thursday morning could be totally different in terms of the mud balls in Thursday afternoon, right? It could dry out and by the afternoon, it's great, but the morning guys were dealing with balls going all over the place. I just think it's such an easy fix.

Just say, hey, we're playing it up today. And by the way, then it goes away. No one ever talks about it after that. Like, hey, they're playing the ball up and then go back, you go to Friday, and everything's back to normal again, and you avoid the Scotty Shefflers of the world, the biggest names in golf going into the media center, and be like, we should have played it up.

I caught a mud ball on 16. That's the only reason it went over. You don't want that to become the story. You work so hard for these events. It's such an easy fix. And also, I don't think you want, like, luck factoring into the equation. Like, you want the best guys to win. You play it up.

Does anyone want to play it up? No, we all want to play it down. Like, there's always a little asterisk. You know, when you see course records or things like that, like, they played it up. But it's better than having it be the story being like, oh, there's, there's balls going everywhere. I honestly thought it held up a lot better than I thought it would after, like, Tuesday, you know, the amount of rounds like, like, dude, it's going to be, it's going to be a mess.

and I thought they would play it up. And then they said they wouldn't even the day before. But I'm with you. I think if you're ever in doubt or you're ever on the fence, it's just easier to put the ball in the hand and then put it to bed. It'll go away the next day and everything's fine. Yeah. And one of the responses I got from Johnson Wagner is, you know,

it's a major championship. I'm like, so we, you know, change how we would play the golf course if it's a major championship or a regular event. Now, I do agree with him. They've gotten rather soft on the PJs. tour like if it rains at all it's like oh we're going to play it up um you never walked to like you know brandle i know lany watkins chimed in and said you know hitting a mud ball is a skill and all this and i i get it like yeah you know what you can go out there and you can try to

they've done studies to where yeah it's on the right side it does go left it's on the left it goes a little right but you don't know how much like like scotty shot on 16 what's he supposed to do aim on 17 t and just punch one down there like people are like oh he didn't hit the right shot off the T. He should have flighted it down lower because the ball's picking up mud. I'm like, he hit it 322 down the center of the fairway on a 530 yard bar four. How the hell did he not hit the right shot? There's so much luck involved with mud, right? Because Xander was right next to him. His ball could have been clean and Scotty's could have been covered him up. Are we just putting that much luck into the game? Like, they both hit a great shot. One's

fucked and one's not. I don't think that's how it should be. That's my opinion. That's my opinion. me and Johnson went back and forth at it pretty good. He actually wants to come on gravy in the sleeves this week and hash this one out. So we'll see what happens with that. You're getting in the little mud ball heated argument here? I mean, I don't think it's that big of a thing. You just play it up one day, boom, it's done.

No one's complaining about anything. You hit it in the fairway. You should get rewarded. You hit in the rough. You don't get to put the ball in your hand. It's over. And then you don't have Scotty Schreffler going in the media center saying, I think we should have played it down or should have played it up today.

Like, yeah, I don't know. I thought that got a lot more attention and it's something that's easily, easily fixable. But end of the day, the best dude won, and he won by a million again. Yeah, three majors down, a lot more to go. The guy's unbelievable. Even when he doesn't have his best stuff, he finishes in the top 10. That's what separates him.

I mean, to make that adjustment after being two over through nine holes, go to the 10th T, hit a seed off the 10th, hit a seed off the 11th, and it was game over right there. Didn't miss a shot the rest of the way that mattered. obviously played away from the water on 17 and 18, but congratulations to him. And also, congratulations to Randy Smith. This one meant so much to him. Scotty's longtime coach, member of the PJ of America.

No one's won more awards from the PGA of America than Randy Smith. This one has a very special meaning to him. I mean, he got emotional at Quail Hollow. He was on our serious XM show today, got emotional again. I mean, he's one of the best in the business. Obviously, I'm very biased about that, but the work him and Scotty have done has just been awesome. And I'm so happy for Randy and the whole team over there. Yeah, it was a cool moment on 18 Green when he was like talking about Randy being family and Randy had the shades on.

But you could tell like that was hitting him. That's a cool moment. That's three of them down for them. They're going to get a bunch more. I think I don't know what Randy does anymore. If I'm being honest, I'm like, hey, can you meet me tomorrow on the range? Yeah. Hey, this is Scottie Sheffler.

Sure. And you watch him hit a few and be like, yep, that's pretty much perfect, bud. just keep doing that. They got it figured out and props in. There's not a better guy in the game. And you and I talk about it occasionally. But it's like, man, if I'm another guy on the BJA tour and I'm looking for something, like, why wouldn't you call the guy that's helped?

I'm not saying it's all randy. He's got he's a generational talent. But like, he ain't nothing, you know, went by accident. So he uses him for a reason. He knows what he's doing. There's no doubt. He's old school. I love him to death.

He told an awesome story today, too, Slee's. He was, this was many years ago, but he was at some PJ of America function. And I guess they were there and they came over and like, hey, the Watermaker trophy is here. Like, you want to do pictures, want to whatever, look at it all this. He's like, no, I don't want to go near it. He's like, no, I don't want to go near it. He's like, nope, I don't want to go near it. I don't want to touch it.

He goes, hopefully the plan is one day, one of my students, he had Justin Leonard who finished runner up twice in this event. One of my students is going to win this and I'm going to hug it and not let it go. So that's another reason. That's such a cool story that he was, like I said, treated like the Stanley Cup. And then I know last night probably on the plane ride hold at home that was in his lap and he wasn't letting go. Yeah, that one hits different for the PGA pros. Like, you know, JT winning this thing a couple times, his pop being one, it's a little extra special for those guys. Not that the green jacket is terrible, by the way.

We're being honest. But when you're a PGA pro, that one's kind of your baby. Yeah, congrats to them. Really, really happy for them. And if you're serious about your game or just want to keep it fair out there, the USGA's Gen app presented by Century Insurance has you covered. Post your rounds and gain valuable insights into your performance. Track your handicap index over time and use it to compete on an even playing field no matter where you play or who you're teeing it up with. Jen is the trusted app for golfers who want to get the most out of their game. Download the Jen app today.

A lot of my friends could listen to that right there. You know, keep it fair, guys. All you guys that I'm out there giving three aside to that I shouldn't be. Keep it fair. That's what it's all about. That's what it's there for. Don't abuse it. Well, speaking of the USGA, Sleez, you're up at the USAGA four ball right now,

Plainfield Country Club, made it to match play. You and the kitty, once again, I believe this is four years in a row, making it to match play. But because we're filming this right now and you can see the sun is still out, I feel like things didn't go the way we want. Yeah, we, uh, I am at the four ball, but I'm no longer at the four ball. We went down today.

What would we finish? We finished T-10 in the stroke play portion. Nice seed. Got out there 10-15 this morning, played a couple of college kids from Ball State. And, dude, this golf course, let me just first speak on playing field. I'd never been here before. I got a text from Chris Godder up earlier in the week. He's like, dude, four balls there this week.

It's in my top five all time. He's like, you're going to love this place. I was like, I can't wait to see it. I've seen pictures. I'm not joking. I know it's not the U.S. Open. The rough is borderline hackout. If you can get more than a nine iron on it, you're lucky.

And sometimes you can't even get, like, sand wedges and stuff. The wind was blowing 20 plus the entire time we were out there. It was such a fun, good test of golf. Not overly long, but, I mean, holes that are, you know, 450, if they're into the wind, they're playing 500. And, like, you weren't hitting a whole lot of wedges out there. The greens are super old school. Crazy slope. Props to Plainfield because they got a really, really cool place.

But we go into matchplay today. Sloppy, just sloppy. Like, these ones, I feel like we end up losing one-up. Props to them. They had a guy that final hole, excuse me, par four into the wind, hit a wedge or nine or something to about three feet right above the hole. Damner made it. We had looks at Bert. He didn't get it, and he makes it.

And we were all square up to that point. But, man, when you make bokes, we made like three bokes today in bestball. And like the previous three years, I don't know if we've made three total. You know what I mean? Like we just started, we bogey, bogey off the jump, both of us, which was brutal, fought our way back, squared it up on 17. I might have had one of my better shots I've ever had a four iron in from like 203 or something, but dead into the fan, caught a piece of the hole and just sat there. So we squared it up going in 18.

but they put us to bed. And honestly, dude, it feels a lot like last year. Just like a play kind of shitty in the first round. You need like the one match where you don't play well. You know it, like from going through the AM and stuff. Like, you're not always going to play good, but you just need to advance from the one where you don't quite have it. And we gave ourselves a chance today, but same as last year, dude.

Early exit on a match that was pretty sloppy. So shitty, but fun to be up here, fun to play match play. Shout out to Mike Juan. out there in the house. He's close by to here. Came out and watched a little bit and all the USA and playing field dudes. You played up here in the Barclays, didn't you? Back in the day. I did.

Back in the day. Very good golf course. Yeah, it was really fun. They routed it a little different. I think it's actually probably the same. You guys play the Barclays, but man, it's fun. Like, I was talking to some of the guys like, it'd be cool to see the tour guys play out here.

We always talk about grow up some rough, make the greens firm and bouncy. And granted, we did have the 20 plus mile-hour wins, too. But I was like, this would be fun to see what happens out here. I mean, you missed a fairway. Like, you're not hitting the green, really. I mean, it's just not happening. Yeah, well, it was fun to follow along. A lot of the guys at the PJ Championship were asking how it was going,

and we were giving updates on the radio today. But good fight. You know, there's always next year. Keep on coming back. I did hear, though, from my man, little Jimmy, aka Andrew Catalan, who lives just down the road there. He's from New Jersey. We were at the airport last night.

And he's like, dude, it's supposed to be like, high of 50 on Wednesday and blowing. I was like, the sleeves isn't really built for that. He wears long johns when it's 70. So maybe a good thing you didn't have to go out there and freeze your ass off on Wednesday. Dude, it blew a million.

Yeah, it blew a million both days that we played, the stroke plate, blew a million a day. I don't know what it's supposed to be tomorrow. And then Wednesday, it's supposed to be freezing and raining. So, yeah.

Wednesday, and that's 36 whole days, by the way, if you make it, you know, after today, it's 36. That's going to be a monster. out there on Wednesday. I wish you could get some, like, live feed or something like that. It's a fun golf course to watch. But, yeah, that's the, you know, glass half full look at it.

And I got to go out there and play in freezing rain and win on Wednesday and probably shoot a million. If it does that, the score, I mean, pars are going to win so many holes. All right, so ladies, like I said, best luck next year to you and Kitty up at the four ball. Now time to make some money. I don't think our bets went too well at the PGA championship. my man mackenzie hughes was not in fact low canadian tragic display for the quail hollow member but anyway it's on to the next week the charleswob challenge at the hall place that sleazy built colonial country club cannot wait to see your statue right there next to hogan's i'm going to be

there all week for golf channel on cbs but let's get to some picks with our friends over at the fanatic sportsbook if you want to follow along make sure you go download the app join in all the fun we're have season long standings and some fun to give away at the end. But like I said, colonial. No one knows it better than the sleaze. They have redone it in the last couple of years. Last year was the first year, they played the new golf course. Second year, I expect this place to be settled a little more, and I expect them to go really low. It's going to be hot. I don't think the greens are going to be too firm. We've got a pretty good field. Scotty Sheffler. If you want to go out on a limb and take him, he's two and a half to one favorite.

I believe next best is Daniel Berger at like 22 to 1. So massive. favorite for Scotty. And for me, I've been a little cold the last few weeks. So it's time to flip this thing around. I'm going to go with the top 20 bet. It plays just plus 120. But like I said, I don't want to make myself and the people out there some money with our friends at fanatics. Give me Daniel Berger to top 20. The man has been playing great. Working with Mark Blackburn, his game is in really good shape. He loves this place. He's won here before. Why not again? Come on, Boog. Top 20 plus 120. Boog Night? I would love that. I would love that. I've been on record. I really hope he plays some good golf for the remainder of the year. I would love to see him at Bethpage. I want him on the team. And I don't think it's far-fetched to think he can go do it. This will be a hell of a week for him. Good pick there. I'm going to go another top 22. I was riding hot for a while. Now we're on a little lull. Time to get back hot. How about a guy just finished top five at the PJ Championship, which is big yard. And when I think of this guy, like, I don't necessarily think that suits him. He can play them.

Of course, but I'd prefer a place like this week where it's more about accuracy off the tee and great putting. I'll take JT Poston, top 20, plus 190 on that. I feel very good about this. I don't want to jinx anything, but this one, when I saw plus one, I was expecting more like plus 140 or something, but coming off good form, obviously, I love that bet. Man, he played great. Actually, bogeyed the last hole. It cost him quite a bit.

A lot of people bogeed the last hole there. but awesome to see him and Fleener up there near the top of the leaderboard making a charge. You just got to make sure Fleener's not singing at Billy Bob's all night long, and he's out there able to do his job and caddy. But James Tyree posting, come on down, top 20 for plus 190. And those are going to be our bets this week with Fanatic Sportsbook. Well, like I said, hell overrun, get back home safe. I look forward to following you all along again next year.

But it's time to get zoned in with our friends over at Zone Nicotine. And no one was more zoned in than you. myself and Kyle Bush out in the sand rails a few months ago, riding around in the Polaris mobiles, going up and down hills in the sand. It was absolutely insane. And the full video is out now. Check it out on golf.com.

It's something special sleeves. We went for a hell of a ride. I don't know if you'd call me zoned in. Or maybe I was a little two zoned in with the deal, which we talk about in this. But yeah, that was a hell of a run. I didn't even know this place. This place we went, like, what was that,

an hour and a half or so outside of Vegas, ish. I think they filmed a lot of like eight. What was it? Oh, yeah. It felt like about eight hours outside. Yeah, it was quite the trek after the night before, but I didn't even know that place existed. I think they film a bunch of like commercials and movies and stuff of that.

Place was sick, but then, yeah, getting in there with Kyle Bush for the first time. Good way to, you know, good way to make your debut on the Polaris. Yeah. Well, go check out the video. It is awesome. You know, our team. their team over at Zone did an incredible job with it. It is really cool.

The ultimate sand trap. We had ourselves a hell of a time. Stay tuned for the end. Nice little surprise there at the end. I'll say this about you. You hit some very good shots out of the sand with no warm up. Hands, maybe not the most stable that they've ever been. Nor were the footwork, the footing also.

When they said, like, all right, one of y'all's got to hit one. I was like, all right, go get them, bud. And you actually hit some. You hit a couple of seeds, actually. I don't know what was harder, like hitting it and standing in the sand or teeing the ball up when your hand's shaking like hell from a night in Vegas. We had a few takes. We had a few takes when it got to like the hand, the intricate hand movements, but props to you some nice seeds given the circumstances. Appreciate it, appreciate it.

Once again, go check that video out over on our pages or thegolf.com page. And, by the way, our guest this week is Kyle Bush. We get into some NASCAR stuff, which you and I don't know shit about, but he is an awesome dude. a great personality. Here he is on Golf Subpar. All right. We got one of the best NASCAR drivers in the world with us here today. Currently ninth in the all-time NASCAR Cup series wins and first and overall wins across the top three divisions. Also, one time made me puke. Kyle Busch in the house. How are we doing, brother? I'm doing good. I appreciate that. Absolutely. Good accolades there. I love the last one.

That's good to put on the resume. Yeah. Keep that. He looks a little better than he did last time, I would say. Yeah, he looks all right. At least he's sitting down in a seated state and a stationary state and not moving at 100 miles an hour. Yeah, that was a blast, though. I got to thank you for that. I mean, I had no idea what to expect going out there, but that's something you grew up on, right, driving through those sand dunes? A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. I didn't really do that whole lot of that when I was a kid growing up. But once I made my first buck and had a little extra change to kind of put on some sandrails, you know, I went ahead and did that. We had some fun out there for a few winners. It's always good to go out there, just kind of let loose have fun and ride around and some sand cars and things. And so, you know, that was not my first rodeo.

It was my first rodeo, as you can see. I am curious what happened to the video. You were nice enough when it all actually finally went down. Thank God that it did because I was dying. You got a video of it. Do you still have that? And where is that thing lurking? Yeah, the video of you?

Yeah, yaking. Yeah, yeah, no, I got it. That's for sure. I'm not going to let loose of that. So it's in the favorite section of my library for sure. Perfect. I love that. Yeah, hold on to that thing. If he ever becomes famous, we might have to release that one. Yeah, I'll send it back over to you. Yeah. Should be safe. How did you get into racing? Like, what age do you start? Because obviously, most of us don't really start driving cars until 16 or so. But you have a little different story.

Yeah, it's a little bit different when you get into racing. I mean, for me, I was 13 when I started. And so you were supposed to be 14, so I may or may not have allegedly forged my birth certificate to make myself 13, or make myself 14 at 13, so I could get in a car and race Legends cars in Las Vegas. So I grew up, born and raised in Vegas, and that's where I started and got my kickstart there at the Bullring in Vegas. And then, you know, from there I moved on into some modified cars, some late models. and then I was only three years in, and then I was able to go run my first truck series race for NASCAR, you know? So it happened really, really quick. But taking my son, for instance, you know,

there's guys that start in go-karts at five. And, you know, so he got his start really young. He's been five years old running the go-carts and things, and now he's turning 10 this week. And so he'll be getting into the Legends cars at 10, where I was 13 when I started in those. So he's got a heck of a head start. So a lot of racing under his belt already.

What are the legends cars? Sounds like that's like where you start when you're coming up. Can you explain what that is? It is. Yeah, it's an old like 1934 Ford, Chevy, coupe, sedan. They're replicas of those cars. They're like five-eight scales, so they're a little smaller than that than those real cars, street cars. And they run on a motorcycle engine.

So like a 1200cc Yamaha motorcycle engine. and, you know, they go pretty fast. You know, the Brexton's first race at his track that he's going to race at, he's going to be going 85, 89 miles an hour. And so, you know, only 10 years old doing that already. It's a heck of a start for sure. Man, that is wild. Obviously, you have favorites growing up.

Like, I'll be honest, we don't know a ton about NASCAR. We're probably going to ask you some very basic questions because I want to learn more about it. But, like, who are some of your idols growing up in favorite drivers? Yeah, I would say, you know, I was just a fan of the sport a lot just growing up with my dad. My dad was a car guy. He built old, you know, 32 Fords and things and had a few old cars that he had that he collected and stuff.

And, you know, he had to sell one of his in order to be able to pay for my brother's start and my start and racing. So, you know, it was unfortunate to see him have to get rid of one of the cool ones that he built. But, you know, overall, just I just worked in the garage on my dad's cars, my brother. brothers cars and then I just sort of watched racing as a kid growing up. So that's kind of how I got my start. But watching the racing on TV on Sundays, you know, the Cup guys, when I first really

began to pull for someone, I guess it was Jeff Gordon because he was sort of the new guy on the scene. It was 1994, 1995, and he was in the bright colored DuPont rainbow car. And so, you know, I was like, I'm going to cheer for that guy. He's new. I'll stick with a young kid, me being nine years old at the time. And then, of course, though, I always enjoyed watching, you know, Dale Earnhardt, Mark Martin, Dale Jarrett, all those guys that, you know, we're winning races at that time. Before we get back to our interview with Kyle Bush, let me tell you something.

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You've won in all different types of cars. He raced all different types of cars. If you had to pick one that's like, this is the most fun. This is the one I enjoy doing the most. What is it? I like the super late models. So when you grow up at your local short track, local ranks, you run those legends cars and then you get into a modified, which is kind of like a full-bodied car, but they take the front fenders off of it. It's a little weird looking, but that's sort of an in-between step. And then you get into the super late models, which is a full-bodied stock car. It looks like a car on the street, you know, but they run on a bias fly tire, which is just a little bit different than what our NASCAR cars are. They call those radial tires. But, um,

You know, you run across all these short tracks across the country. You know, you've got 750 horsepower, so a lot of horsepower to the tire. And, you know, you can get these cars out of shape. And there's some cool things that you can do with the suspension and things like that to make grip. And so those have always been my favorite car to drive. Awesome. I like that a lot. Tell me this. Golfers, they obviously have their routines where they show up with the golf course two hours before, you know, get their physio going.

They get on the range for an hour, then they go out and play. for race car drivers. Like, what's the lead-up like before a race? I mean, it's kind of all week. You know, like, I would say we're a little bit similar to the football players. We don't really go out on the field and practice. We don't go out on the track and test much. Testing's kind of limited.

That obviously costs a ton of money to get the car to the track and all that sort of stuff. Pay for tires, pay for fuel, people, everything. But we do a lot of simulation. So we run in the simulator a lot, and we're doing a lot of that. watch video, past races, you know, you study film of how the past races have kind of gone, how they've kind of worked out, what made the good guys good at what they were doing. And then we also have this newer technology that's come out the past few years, I think since 2018, which it's called SMT, but it's like a ghost car overlay that it's on the computer

and you can take anybody's car in the field and it's all kind of like GPS driven, but there's also telemetry on the cars with throttle trace, breaking trace, steering, race and all that. And so you can overlay yourself and what you're doing compared to others that are on the racetrack at the same time or different time. And you can go back and look at that stuff too. So there's a lot of review in the SMT data that we do. And then, you know, that's all through the week. You pick your times through the week on how best works for your life. And then when you get to the racetrack, typically on Saturdays, you'll have a 20-minute practice. Like, that's it. We show up to the racetrack and you go to the garage area, you get in your

fire suit and you go on the racetrack, you have 20 minutes of practice, and then you make subtle changes to your cars, whatever you're allowed to do on pit road by NASCAR rules, and you go out and you qualify. And qualifying kind of lines you up for your starting position for the race, and then that's it for Saturday. And then Sunday you come in and you're doing hospitality visits for your sponsors and fans and guests of the weekend, things like that. And then you go race. And that's pretty much it, you know. So it seems like a real condensed schedule for A lot of the sport in which we are. But years ago in the past, I would run truck races,

Xfinity Series races, Cup Series races, and you'd have two hours of practice in every single one of those cars. And then you'd have qualifying in every single one of those cars. So your track time, man, by the time you started the Cup Series race, you had eight hours, nine hours on track before you ran the cup race. Now you have 20 minutes. That's it. Yeah, it's interesting hearing all this stuff.

I want to ask you, like, in golf, there's certain courses. They got courses for horses, horses for courses, right? Like a certain course suits a guy. And what you do are there certain track, Jack, that's what we call it. Is I was like, okay, one, there you go. I knew there had to be a same. But are there, like, certain setups that suit you better than other ones that you kind of highlight each year? I would say for me, I have favorite tracks.

You know, Bristol's one of my favorite tracks. Love going there. Love going to Vegas. That's my home track. That's fun. You know, the Phoenix track is a fun track. It's a fun track. It's a fun track.

It's a short track. It's tough to pass on it. you know, but the area and everything being out west, you know, being from Vegas, I enjoy being out there for that one. There's been some racetracks over the years, though, that I've not been very good at, that I've kind of sucked at, that I've been at the bottom of the barrel. And then I put an extra emphasis of like, why am I not good here? I got to fix this. I got to be good everywhere, you know? And so I put extra emphasis on those. And then they start climbing the ladder of your favorite racetracks as well, too. Pocono, for instance, like, man, I was terrible there. And then about

2014-15, I started to figure it out and really got good. And I think I won four, five, six races there in the next four years. So that turned out to be a pretty good place for me. You mentioned you get 20 minutes practicing, you make some little tweaks to your car here and there before the actual race. Like, is there ever on Sunday when the race is getting ready to go and you're like, this car is nowhere near where I want it to be? Absolutely. Yeah, a lot of times. You know, back in the day when we would have two hours of practice, you were coming into the garage area. guys would jack up your car, they would put it on scales, you would change springs, you would change sway bars, you would change shocks, you would change anything you wanted to change, you'd go back

out and you'd try it again, you would see how it feel, see if the changes that you made helped your car feel the way that you were looking for it to feel to be able to be fast for the race. Now when you show up, you're doing all of those things on the simulator, and so sometimes the simulator isn't exactly what real life is. And so you try to make it as close as you possibly can and you would hope that it's perfect, but not always is it. And so, for instance, earlier this year, we went to Cota, you know, Circuit of the Americas down in Austin, Texas.

And everybody was relying on the simulator, obviously, for not a lot of practice time, but the simulator was way off for everyone. You know, it was whatever, it was the tire model or the grip level, whatever. And we were terrible. Like, we were 28th on the speed chart. I'm like, this thing drives horrible, guys. Like, we slung everything we could possibly swing at that thing on the change. that we were allowed to make on pit road there working on the car and we made it better we got it

to qualify eighth and then that race I led to most laps was in position to win late in the race and the guy behind me he had three lap fresher tires than me and was able to get by me you know so we didn't win but that was our best race of the year and you know it's just times that you don't unload perfect but you make the swings at it in order to make it perfect talk to me a little bit about these pit crews a how many guys are on your crew and b is there like a ranking like hey, I got the best tire guy or I got the best gas guy. Like, is there kind of a pecking order in terms of like who's the best, who has the best crew?

Yeah, so the pit crew, we call them the B team. You know, they're, I don't know if they're your offense or your special teams or your defense. Really, they're your defense because when you come down pit road and you're sitting still, you want to have them holding, you know, holding court and holding service on your car to get you out of the pits first, right? But anyways, you've got a tire changer on the front, a tire changer on the rear. you've got one tire carrier that kind of helps out the front guy, and then the Jackman who helps out changing the tire on the rear guy. And then the fuel guy.

So there's five guys that go over the wall for each pit stop. So they're all pretty important. Obviously, the changers are important, but not as much as they used to be. So it used to be you had to hit five lug nuts in order to change a tire. Now there's only one lug nut. It's a single lug. And so you just, you know, you take it off, put it back on. And so the Jackman has become the most important guy because his time in which it takes for him to run around the car, jack up the car, and then let it down and run back around the car to jack up the car.

That time has got to be the shortest time because that's the longest duration that nothing's happening on the car. So he's probably the star right now. Man, Jackman. So much going on. Jackman. I had no idea about it. For you, you've been doing this for 100 years. You've won so many times.

Do you still get nervous before races? or do the nerves come like late in the race when you have a chance to win? Not really. I mean, not really, not before the race, no. I mean, when you're in races and you're winning all the time, you know, those nerves, you settle those nerves, you learn how to deal with those and you just do your deal and you just, you're in the zone, you know. But I would say lately the last couple of years, you know, I've choked away two or three

races because I haven't been winning as much on a regular basis. and so you put so much emphasis on yourself of like, I got to be perfect, I got to be perfect, I got to do this, I got to hit it right and everything, and you end up making a mistake and that mistake cost you, you know? So I would say that I'm not really nervous per se, but you do feel that ramp up of tension or, you know, wanting to be the best and wanting to get that win

and, you know, you make mistakes when you're tense up. Sometimes when I turn on like sports center or whatever, they'll be showing the highlights and they're like, you know, every so often there's a crash. And like I see it and I'm like, oh my God. And then they'll say, don't worry, everything's okay. He walked away. He's fine.

But like, how many of those have you been in? And what's the scariest, like, crash or safety situation you've had in your career? Yeah. 2015 for me, Daytona, it was an Xfinity Series race. So the day before the Cup Series race, day before the Daytona 500, I was racing in that race. And I made a move with my teammate. It was about eight laps to go. My teammate was in front of me.

I saw a hole through the middle. in the pack. We're drafting, so it's a drafting track at Daytona. And I was bumping him a little bit to kind of push him ahead and shove them. Your bump drafting at 200 miles an hour. So don't try that on the highway. But I bumped him a little bit, got him crossed up and sideways, and I tried to go around him, and the air from his car, he never even touched me, but the air from his car hit my car wrong and spun me out. And so I spun into the infield and there's an inside retaining wall. And I hit that at 90 miles an hour, and I broke my left foot and broke my right leg in that crash. And so that one, that one hurt.

That one didn't feel very good. So I was out for 11 weeks, not able to race, you know, going through rehab and all that sort of stuff to get back ready to go again and fixed up and repaired with the doctors. And fortunately, I was able to come back. And five weeks after I came back, I was able to win again. We went on a stretch of like, I don't know, I think 10 races, top fives every race. I mean, we were just knocking them down. I mean, the guys, my cars were super fast, guys were doing a great job and getting me to the front.

And then we ended up winning the championship that year. So 2015 was my first championship in the NASCAR Cup series. And so that was pretty awesome. Wow. Slee, let's go drafting at 200 miles an hour. Yeah, dude. I don't know how this shit doesn't happen more often. Let me ask you this.

So it just has a follow up to that. Because you said that time, just the air hit your car and that's what spun you out. Sometimes it's other drivers and they hit you and run into you. What happens after that where you like could legitimately, die. I got to imagine after a race, there's some like road rage or some fighting or some words being had. This happens like fairly regularly. Yeah, no, definitely. I mean, it kind of depends. You know, some guys that get into you, it's an accident, you know, you're racing three wide, four wide, whatever, and there's just not enough room and guys hit each other, you know, mistakenly. But, you know,

there's times, too, where you're racing with a guy and, and he might get tired of you or you get tired of him and you're just like get the hell out of here and you hit him you know on on purpose and and make it look like an accident but you know you didn't really mean to mean to make it look like an accident you were you were like just get the hell out of here and so after those races or after those instances yeah you'll uh you'll throw down sometimes i've i've done that a couple times so yeah i saw i saw a couple this morning on youtube yeah yeah yeah you're prepping for the call that's right yeah i like it yeah absolutely i mean you know it's if it's if it's if it's If it's not an accident, a pure accident, then you're going to want to get down in that guy's face.

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For a driver, like, how do you know that, hey, this guy's really good? Yeah, I mean, I own my own truck series team for a long time for 12 years. So, you know, we were always looking for up-and-coming young talent because we're sort of a feeder series in the truck series. And so, you know, you're looking for guys that have talent that anything they get in, they can take it to the front, they can run up front, they can win races. Anything that they get in, they win in those cars and things. like that. So, you know, it's all about racecraft. You know, a lot of times for me, I look at guys that

can carry themselves well, both on and off the racetrack, but, you know, they win races the right way. They're not just knocking people out of the way and getting wins because they're hitting people. They're doing it cleanly and making clean moves and, you know, winning races based off their skill. And so that's, those are sort of the things that you look for. A lot of times now, like, yeah, there's there's guys that get here that pay their way here you know they've got money behind them or their families got money or whatever and they just want to be a race car driver and so they pay their way to the top and you can do that i mean they do they win all the time no i would say one of those situations william byron for instance he had a sponsor his dad helped him and funded him and stuff

like that but everything he got in he was talented he worked at it he was very smart and diligent at it and did a great job of being able to understand the vehicles and how to make himself successful in those vehicles. And he won his way all the way to the top. And now he's in NASCAR being paid to race. And he's not worried about, he doesn't need, you know, Daddy's money to keep him there anymore. He's just good at what he does. So there's different ways of guys to make it in our sport. What would it cost somebody? You said guys can just kind of buy their way in. Like, what's it cost to subsidize a race car, a driver, a team for a year? I would say Cup Series is probably around, if you got six to eight million bucks, you can get a cup seat,

an Xfinity Series ride. If you've got between four and a half to six million, you can be in an Xfinity Series car. And to run a truck, you probably need about three million bucks to run a truck. Damn, I thought golf was expensive. Let's get a squad, Cole. Racing is by far the most expensive thing. Trust me, by far. Wow.

Speaking of golf, do you play any at all? I wish I did, you know. I play a little bit here and there, but I'm definitely not playing often enough to be as good as I want to be. So that's definitely my retirement plan. I'm going on the senior tour. Okay. I'll like that.

I like that. How long can you race? Like, what's the age where guys typically shut it down? I would say anywhere between 43, 44 to probably 46, 47. So let's just say 45 years old is about about the number where guys were shutting it down. There's been guys that have been older. But they were guys from more years ago that they didn't start racing until they were in their late 20s or 30s. And so they then carried that into their 50s.

Mark Martin, for instance, he was one who, you know, I think he raced until he was 53 and then finally hung it up. And he was winning races in his 50s, you know. He was a badass. So I would say that today's guys, you know, like, I know Harvick just retired. I think he was 45. Truex just retired. I think he was 44.

You know, Tony Stewart a couple years ago, he was probably 45. Dale Jr. was around 43. So, yeah. You just turned 40, didn't you? I just turned 40. Yeah. So, you know, drivers primes, though. What's crazy about NASCAR drivers' primes is like 37 to 43.

So, you know, somewhere in there. And it's not long after you turn 43 that, you know, you kind of don't. win as much anymore and it's like oh well you know maybe i maybe i can hang it up maybe i just don't need to be running out here anymore you know so uh i just turned 40 though and i i feel fine i see fine um i don't i'm not sore my body's not kicked after i get out of a race on sundays you know so i feel like i'm still good i do it great you're kill it you're let's get to the let's get the let's get the e9 here sleaze we'll mix it up a little bit let's say you can be anything else in life other than a NASCAR driver, what would you be?

You know, I don't know. That's a tough question. I can go two routes. One is when I was a kid and I was playing Little League ball, I was playing baseball as a kid, having fun doing that. And then I was playing Little League ball and my racing started to pick up. So around that 13 years old and I had an opportunity to, I got a zone variance to go to a different high school than what I was supposed to go to because my mom worked there.

Well, you're not allowed to play high school sports if you get a zone variance for the first year because they look at it as like recruiting. And so I was kind of like, okay, since I can't play high school ball, then I'll just go focus on the racing thing and see how the racing thing turns out for a couple years. And if it doesn't work, then I'll come back to ball and never really needed to come back to ball. So that's one route. And then the other thing probably would have been to just continue on in school a little bit and become an engineer and be working on cars, you know, being a crew chief. or an engineer or something like that for a race team. God, think what a good ball player you could have been. Things could have really worked out for you, Kyle.

I know. I'm jealous of Bryce Harper, that's for sure. I wish I would have gone that route. All right, I give you one here. I've always wanted to ask this to a race car driver because I think about it all the time. And I'll just phrase it like this. On a scale of 1 to 10,

how frustrating or miserable is it for you when you drive your car on like a straight highway, 70 mile an hour speed limit? Like, is that just excruciating for you given that you're used to going 200? No, because you know, you go with the flow of traffic. Honestly, like we're racing at 200 miles an hour, but everybody else is at like 200.2 or 199.8, you know, like we're all within a half a mile an hour or a mile an hour of each other all the time.

So you're going within the speed of traffic. So it really doesn't feel fast until you crash. So like when you're on the highway, you know, like if your speed limit is 70, I'm setting the cruise at 75 and I'm rolling, you know. Like I'm not one that needs to go 80. 90, 100 miles an hour and zooming in and out of cars and through traffic. Oh, yeah. I like that. I was always interested in that.

I was like, that has to be miserable. But that makes sense. I mean, there's times where you're rolling, you know, and it's, again, 70 mile an hour speed zone and somebody in the fast lane is going 65. It's like, what are you doing? Get out of the way. Amen. Yeah.

There's a story of Richard Petty years ago, a long time ago. I think he was driving home after a race or something or just driving somewhere in North Carolina. and there was a slow car in his way on a two-lane road, and the guy wasn't going the speed limit and was mad that he was tailgating him or something like that. And so he was slowing down or brake-checking him or whatever. So Richard Petty just went up behind him and rammed him

and spun him off the road and just kept going, you know. Whoa. All right. Are we going to start trying that? That stuff you could probably get away with in the 60s or 70s. I don't think you can get away with that today. I was going to say, does that work? Damn.

I wish it did. I'm just going to get me a hoopty and do it. Richard Petty gets a little mention in one of the new Morgan Lawland songs. Oh, is that right? Good. I haven't checked that out yet. I've got to find that. Before we get back to Kyle Bush, a quick word from Enterprise. The road opportunity is often the road overlooked. That's why Enterprise Mobility offers new roads to help drive your business forward. With mobility solutions like fleet management, flexible truck rental, and an unmatched global network, they can help your business find the right solutions. Their mobility experts can find smarter ways

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How does it work with the pick crew? So the pick crews get bonuses, you know, the pit crews. And then we also have like the A team. So the A team is your crew chief, your engineer, your two mechanics that you have, your tire guy, your car chief. So those six guys travel with the car. When the car goes to the racetrack, they take it through inspections. They're the ones that you're working with and make it faster through practice and qualifying and all that. And then the B team, which is the pit crew, they show up on Sundays or race day, and they pit stop the car.

So, you know, all those people, though, they have special bonuses in their contract and stuff like that for wins or top fives or top tens or how well you do at the end of the year if there's end of the year bonuses. Let me know if you need a good jack man, Kyle. I've been jacking. I've been jacking for a lot of years now. I'm 40. I'm a man, just like you. You're probably too old.

Damn. I don't know, dude. You haven't seen me jack. All right. Let's see you run around the car. I need you to boot. These skinny legs move fast. I could do that.

I could do that. You just keep my number just in case. All right, next one. A lot of nicknames you have, right? That I've found. We got rowdy. wild thing, the candy man, and shrub. So I need to know which one's your favorite and who gave it to you?

I would say Rowdy's my favorite. And the story behind that is obviously Days of Thunder. So I love the movie Days of Thunder. Rowdy Burns is one of the main characters in there. And so, you know, Rowdy, my character, myself, you know, when I was on the racetrack as a kid, not as a kid, but like when I got to NASCAR growing up, whatever, all that sort of stuff. I wasn't really doing things by the book.

I was sort of doing things my own way and making my own name for my. myself and causing a little bit of crazy and havoc on the way there. So hence the name Rowdy. And then also, I was running in the truck series for a guy who owned the truck. And his main truck that he had was number 15. And so he was going to come out with a second truck so I could run alongside the guy that he hired full time. So I was going to run a part-time truck with him. And he's like, well, what number do you want? And I was like, well, just take 15, flip it backwards and it'll be 51. We'll make it look like the Rowdy Burns car from the movie Days of Thunder, all black and everything and I'll be rowdy, you know?

And so we just kind of went with that and, you know, kind of stuck since then. But all those other nicknames just kind of came through from, well, the shrub was, so my dad is obviously Tom Bush, so he's like the big bush. And then my brother was, or they called him the tree, I guess, because he's tall and lanky. And then my brother was just, you know, Kurt Busch. He was the first bush in NASCAR. And then so they called me Shrub, you know, just being the smaller bush coming up through. So that was that one.

and then wild thing, again, back to some of those crazy ways of racing and making moves and going from the top to the bottom and one move and passing guys three wide and taking leads. And I got the wild thing from that. And then the Candyman obviously just came from my sponsorship from M&Ms and being with those guys for so many years and driving the M&M's car. All right, regular peanut or peanut butter M&Ms? I'll go with a peanut guy. Okay. I'll be the yellow peanut. Although my favorite is Krispy.

So, Crispy's the green wrapper. Okay. Classic. Perfect. All right. Well, in football, you got Lambeau Field, baseball, Fenway Park, golf will say Augusta National. What racetrack would go on that list?

So that's like our crown jewel events. And so the Daytona 500 is number one. That's the number one big crown jewel event. And then arguably, I would say number two on that list is probably the Coca-Cola 600, which is at Charlotte Motor Speedway. It's the longest race of the year. It's a ring race, you know, so you win that race and the track gives you a ring. The Brickyard 400, that's another ring race track.

That's a big crown jewel event. And then the fall Talladega race for years was always on that list as well, too, as sort of a crown jewel. Back in the late 90s, Winston was the sponsor of the Winston Cup series. And they had five races. If you won four of five races, you got a miller. million dollar bonus for winning all of those races. So I think Darlington, Darlington, the Southern 500 was also on that. So those were the five Daytona, Coke 600, Brickyard, Talladega, and Darlington.

Those were the five tracks that if you won those tracks, you could get that million dollar bonus. So that was really cool to have that back in the day. And Brickyards actually got a few golf holes in the middle of the track. I played that. I played that beast. Half the course is on the inside. That's right. I played that beast. It's crazy how big that track is when you get in there. I mean, it's mind-blowing. I'm glad they don't let golf happen because you guys being on the golf course while the cars were going, I found and determined we'd get hit by a ball. Yep.

You would. You definitely would some of mine. All right, you answered one of mine there about some candy. I'll give you this one. I know you're a bit of a gamer. I've been a regular, you like games. Give me the best race car video game of all time. Any system.

Mario Kart. Yeah. Who do you? Mario Kart. Super Nintendo Mario Kart. Who's your guy? guy. Yoshi, always.

Good player. Yosh. Formidable. Formidable racer. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Bowser's not bad. He just takes a little while to get going, but you better keep his momentum rolling.

He's all right, too. He'll knock Yoshi out of the way. You run into something with Bowser, though. You got to stress. He got passed by everybody. That's right. Well, three of us last year got to spend some time, as we mentioned out, in the sand rolls with our friends over zone nicotine.

By the way, the long video, the full-length video is coming out soon. but when we first walked up, we never met each other before. And you saw both of us standing there. Which one did you think would puke first? Probably you. Yeah, I figured so. Probably you. Yeah, but I'm a professional.

You know how to hold my booze. I should, yeah, I could have thought that either way, you know? So I'm glad you did, though. So very good job. You enjoyed it. You had fun. You liked it. You liked it.

You liked it way more than I thought I was going to. I thought I was going to be terrified, which it was. My favorite part was when we were going up and you see nothing but the sky and I said, what happens if another things coming over the side and you go, we're fucked.

I'm like, oh, cool. That's good news. This is comforting. And then it about happened. Yeah. There was like eight other people out there and all of a sudden, boom, one, here comes,

so we had to dodge and get out of the way. Yeah, that was great. Towards the end of that deal, I was just like, my whole thought was just don't puke. I was making it fine, and then we started bouncing around a little bit more.

Dude, I had the helmet on in that nice buggy, whatever you call it. I was like, I'm a fucking puke. And there's a GoPro six inches from my face. I was like, this is going to be the worst thing ever. I was just proud. I made it out of that car. It's kind of like going deep sea fishing.

Like, you just put it in your mind and then it's stuck in your mind and you know it's going to happen and you just, like, it's a mental game. You should never have thought about it the entire time. You probably would have been all right. I was doing fine until the end. And I remember you looking over like, you're all right? You're going to puke. And I was like, oh, dude, I'm fine.

Everything's good. This is a great time. but meanwhile, I was like, you got to park this bitch quick. I'm about 30 seconds from yakking. All right. Have you bought your own sandrail then? Are you guys on your own cars now? I don't know how we've graduated to that just yet.

Okay. That's probably coming. So you might do better driving than being in the passenger. I'm not a very good passenger, so I don't know if that would bode well for me. I'm definitely not riding with either one of you, that's for sure. Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't think we'd get over about 40, so you'd probably be okay in that regard. All right, my last question.

I'm going to just make this up here. The movie Talladega Knights, Will Ferrell's character in that movie. Give me one guy on NASCAR that most resembles Will Ferrell's character in that movie. Ricky Bobby. Yeah, Ricky Bobby. I would say a little bit of Noah Gregson, probably. He's a little bit of the, not necessarily the class clown, but he just, he likes to have a good time. And he's very, you know, spirited and just gives zero shit.

about what others think of him. And, you know, he wears his fire suit unzipped and open chest and all that sort of stuff. So he's probably a little bit of that. But, yeah, I'd go with Noah. I'm pretty sure I met him at a Coleswindale concert. He lives in Vegas, right? Yeah, he's from Vegas, too, yeah. Yeah, I met him in a Coleswendole concert in Scottsdale.

Okay, that makes sense. I like it. That's good. I bet you he was having a good time. We were. Yes, there was a good time being had. All right, last one, this is a total complex. But every time you see a driver win a race, you're going down Victory Lane, they always have a rather attractive wife or girlfriend next to them.

Would you say among all the athletes, the race car drivers, the NASCAR drivers, have the hottest wives and girlfriends? Good question. I've never seen a bad one. Well, see, I'm not supposed to be looking at other people's wives or anything like that. So I don't know. That's a hard question for me to answer. I will answer, though, that mine is probably definitely the hottest out there, you know? So I'm going to give her the props where props are due, where she busts her ass every day in the gym.

And fortunately enough, I was able to wrap her up and have her by my side each and every day. And now we've got two beautiful kids too. So, you know, I'm blessed with where I'm at. Hell yeah, props to her. Love that. Very media savvy of you there, Kyle. Well done. Speaking of media savvy, I was watching this little clip.

It had like a five-minute video of your best quotes. And I was going to ask if you and Marshawn Lynch went to the same media school, media training. We did. We did actually. Yeah. So I don't remember what it was called, but, oh, Lynch School of Charm. So, yeah, we definitely had some of the same courses and same materials and things like that. And what was actually cool, too, was I don't remember if it was before. It must have been before. I think it was before that clip that you saw. I actually met him. He came out to one of the races. He was a guest of Skittles. You know, I had Skittles and M&Ms are the same company. And so Skittles was on. my car and so they guested him out to the track and so

we hung out for a minute we talked for a little bit and we exchanged helmet so he's got a Skittles helmet and I've got old Seahawk helmet you know I I asked him for a Seahawk helmet because I'm a huge Broncos guy I'm a huge Broncos fan so of course I was there at the Super Bowl where the Seahawks

stomped the Broncos into the ground so I was like I got to have one them from a Super Bowl champion of when you guys beat my Broncos so he gave me one what was your line every question was just like, I'm excited to be here. It's good to be in Phoenix. Yeah, it's good to be back in my race car. Can't wait to get on the track and get everything going. Everything's great. Everything's great. We made a t-shirt out of that as well, too, for charity. We actually sold like

$40,000 of T-shirts for that one. So that was really good. All to the bundle of joy fund. My wife and I have a charity that help other couples that are going through infertility. So her and I, we had issues being able to have our children, but we went through IVF. And so, you know, now we have the bundle of joy fund which we help raise money, raise awareness and everything else in order to help other couples because the expense is like 20, 25 grand to go through one try of being able to have a kid and it's not even a guarantee. So we know it's expensive and not for regular people. So we try to help others to be able to go through that in order to have their own bundle of joy. So we've raised two million bucks and we're up over 120 something baby's born. So it's

going real good. That is awesome. That's awesome. Congratulations. That's really cool to hear. Yeah, we turned negative into a positive, so that's what we're here for. Amen. Amen. Well, it was fun catching up with you again. The shoot we did for Zone out in the desert was fantastic, but awesome to sit down with you and learn a lot more about racing. Absolutely.

No problem. And, hey, I look forward to coming back out to Phoenix later this year. Maybe we get a tea time set up. Let's go hit some balls. There we go. Now you're talking. Awesome. Thank you, Kyle.

Sounds good. All right, Kyle. Thank you. All right. That was Kyle Bush, joining us on golf so far. A lot of fun, Sleys. It's very obvious. We don't know shit about Mascar.

But I learned a lot from Kyle. A lot of fun. Catching up with him once again after our time out in the sand rails. And also, you asked the question about who would best play Ricky Bobby. And he mentioned Noah Braxton, who I said, I met at the Coleswindale concert. Third, we filmed that on what? Was that Tuesday or Wednesday last week? We filmed that?

I believe Wednesday? Tuesday, it doesn't matter. Filmed it last week. Hadn't seen this guy in quite some time. I am on the sixth hole at Quell Hollow behind the green. You get a slap on the leg. There he is. He's got a special inside the ropes pass and he's sitting on the ground.

Noah Grax is right there. He's like, what up, dude? I was like, oh, my God. I was like, you just got mentioned on our podcast earlier. It's great. He's like, why? And I told him, and he's like, that's beautiful. I love it.

That's wild because also I get here first night up in New Jersey, turn on TV. It's shit hotel TV, as usual. I go a movie channel. What's on? I didn't watch it in eight years, Tala Day, Good Night. And I was like, boom. So good.

Watching it. So good. So good. So good. So, yeah, they're listening. They are listening. Everyone's always listening. It's going to pop up on your Instagram feed now. They're going to sell you NASCAR tickets.

But a lot of fun sitting down with Kyle. Special thanks to Zone for all they do. They have been just absolutely awesome. And by the way, Sla, I'm home in Scottsdale, and it's heating up out here. And so is the gear. I just grabbed a few customers. some teas with our Birdie Juice logo. Super easy to order, and they turned out great.

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