Rays One Win Away From World Series!
00:01Hello and welcome to talking baseball, the Tampa Bay Race, win the last two games in Cleveland.We're going to six.Will we go to seven?Let's talk ball.Let's talk ball.David Price.Oh, man, Trevor Plouf.File ball.
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00:57to one to up three two before heading back to Tampa.We got the games.We got some, I don't know, maybe we end up doing some baseball playoffs discussion becauseChris Rose Saturday morning Chris Rose selfie video saying we're going to play four gamesin a row and no one from MLB contacted him about it.We're hot.We're hot, Trev.How are you?
01:21That was when he was up to one, too.Yeah.So, interesting, interesting.I'm doing well.I'm excited to talk about these games.I think the rays have kind of kicked it into gear here, but you never know in this series.Look, the Guardians have the team to get it done, but according to Yandi Diaz, the series is over.Oh.
01:42It's ending tonight, Jake.I mean, I say this, I say this with all due respect to Cleveland.I'll take Yondi's answer on that.Oh, you don't want to go up against Yondi?Oh, man, that might be my one one of guys in baseball.I don't want to fight.I don't think you say it, Bob.That's what I think.
01:59You don't say it.Who's the famous quarterback, Joe Nameth, right?Nice.Yeah, Joe Willie.Last Jets championship.Rob's excited.Yeah, we won't talk too much.Joe Namath. I am a little under the weather, everyone. My apologies. I might just faint at some point
02:17during this. I'm just fueled by NyQuil. And my one like hot coffee of the year, because dad's throat iskind of, um, hot coffee guy. Not a hot coffee guy. Yeah. So I'm, and now the side effect of thatbetween a little bit of sickness and hot coffee, I'm just dripping sweat under this, under thismock neck and my denim jacket. So a lot of special feelings over here right now.now as we almost crown an American League championship.Yeah, I guess teeing it up for the people.We'll start with game five because sports,that's just how sports work.
02:52By the time this gets to you, like game six might be happening.And then we'll probably hit some of the game four notes along the wayand just some of the, I don't know, where the series is atand where we think it's going to go.So with that, I think we do some game five.It's the biggest game of the American League season.And just how Tampa drew it up with Rasmussen taking the pill against Cleveland and youngTony Parker Messick trying to spur up a guards win.
03:25Top one, it's 5 p.m. start, but it's midnight Johnny.How about that?With the RBI walk, of course.One nothing make it two.Just like Property Brothers, more Jonathan.Aranda with the RBI single, 2-0, raise make it 3.Liam has one direction with the Hicks RBI single.It's 3-0-0-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-3.
03:50Cleveland wouldn't be able to chase a run across until DeLotter's RBI ground-out in the 6.Rasmussen was nasty.Seven innings pitch, one-run, four-hits, 6-Ks, to Boozer, to Wells, to Baker.Rays win a pivotal game 3-1-final.Oh, uh, property bros, huh?Yeah, yeah.Okay.I, um, well, actually, no, I'll say.
04:19save that anecdote for the end of it.But yeah, I love me some property bros.Is that an HDTV thing?I feel like anything there.That's just an easy watch.HGTV, it's, yes, it's, you know, we, we have a lot of young male consumers that probablyhave never dipped their toe.A good HGTV watch, it's a nice time.
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05:15The actual games live as they unfold.At home or on the go,or on demand, whatever works.The Race of the World Series is on.Never miss a moment by watching MLB live on Fox 1 stream now.Where are we starting, coach?Where are we starting?I would say, I would say the first inning.
05:35I was going to say top of the first.I would say first inning.And normally I've been saying the starting pitchers, but Parker Messick comes out in this one.And hey, Yandi, talk your shit when you start off the game with a bullet double tocenter. And then the inning ends up with a base is loaded Johnny DeLuca RBI walk,which I don't know, pitch count wise, energy wise, everything wise for a weird 5 p.m.start. I don't know. Obviously not ideal.Yeah, look, I think the main, not the main store, but one of the main stories coming into the
06:08game was Parker Messick not having Austin Hedges behind the plate. Patrick Bailey's been swinginga hot stick, which is hilarious. Like, this is how much a baseball season can just changefrom the start to the end of the playoffs.Patrick Bailey not known for the bat,but he's swinging the hot one now.So instead of the de facto personal catcherin Austin Hedges,we get Patrick Bailey back there.
06:30And you know,Messick,I was trying to think about like what I've seen from him this postseason.It hasn't been super sharp.I know there was the one Jose Ramirez air gamewhere, you know,he ended up giving up three unearned runs,but it hasn't been super sharp,
06:44in my opinion.and didn't start that way.You mentioned the Yandi Diaz double,Ryan Vallade,who we're still coming up with a nickname.Thinking the pillager,he walks.Chandler Simpson,
06:56I think that's an interesting play to get to.He's so fast.He's the chopper to Rochio,who has, I think,quick enough hands to make this play.Ends up, I think,bobbling it.The more I watched the replay,
07:08he kind of like presses the ballagainst his chest here.So he maybe like fumbled it.And they were talking on the broadcastabout our guy over there,Nathanieling.Low, early settler, kind of not reaching out for that and not stretching.But I will say that when you're that close, you see how close Rochio is?
07:26I was going to say, I wanted to ask you that because Rokio, who's got a canon that's beenhighlighted this series, if you're Nathaniel Lo, your initial reaction is you're kind of playingpast defense so the ball doesn't go any direction.You're squaring up as best you can.Now, as soon as you see the ball, yeah, go out and get it, but you don't have a ton of timeto stretch. I mean, when you arereceiving a ball on a regularthrow, you are squared up to
07:50it, and then you go get it.Especially you want to tell yourkids, do not stretchuntil you see the flight of the ball, because you need to makeadjustments. So that's kind of whathe did there, and again, didn't really have time.Best case scenario, yeah, he gets out therea little more instead of leaning back on it, but because
08:06Rokio's so close, I think that'swhy he did that. But ChandlerSimpson ends up getting on, and then thereis the John DeLuca walk, and I don't even think he swung thebat in that at bat. So right away, raise, you know, give the first punch. And with Rasmussenon the hill, if you get an early lead like this, you feel pretty confident. Yeah. And I guess the otherthing at defending Nathanielo, I'll lay out both sides because I'm, I want to, what's it called?The kids that do like arguing for like politics and stuff. It's like a hobby. Mogging.
08:40No. I love that word. Debate club. Debate club. If theif we were presenting both sides of the argument,like I've been tough on my guy,ICF's secondary lead for over a year now.Like Nathanielo in that moment with Chandler Simpson going,maybe you have to let the fundamentals down a little bitand try to take more of an aggressive stretchwith Chandler Simpson running and what turns out to be,
09:01you know, it's a very beginning in this game.I, Trev, you're a Stanford man.I'm going to hit you with some math.And I want to, it involves our guy Parker Messick.what is 186.1 inningsplus 13.2 innings200.200 on the nose.
09:26And that's proud of you.That was baseball math too.That's Parker Messick's innings on the year.And as we, you know, by the end of this,we'll do some more bigger picture stuff with the rest of this seriesand the Guardians.And I don't know, we'll probably just start laking.leaking baseball thoughts at this point.
09:47That's a big workload.Like, you know, think about by the end of the seasonhow often we highlight guys that, like,the guys that actually do that across Major League Baseball,especially in today's era, it doesn't exist,that Parker Messick, his first full Major League season,because he didn't look at sharpest.Like, I'll even, I'll give him the first start,
10:06because I think he did.That J-Ram play changes a lot.But, you know, Camerero, who's been givenaway some outs on some changeups and some excitement.He didn't, if Drew Rasmussen is peaking right now, it feels like Messick was heading the wrongway. And maybe it's more of a credit to the raise, but it's just something of note if you'rethinking about this Cleveland team, Gavin Williams, who's not getting the pill tonight becausewe're worried about him. Like, this team that's built on some young starting pitching and
10:39has exposed their bullpen a lot, it feels like it's getting. It's getting.and lay early.I don't know when we get to Rasmussen and just talk about what he's done and meant to thisteam. And if he's going to get like his true flowers at the end of this postseason, I thinkis still yet to be seen. But he's out there. He's just in control, man. Talk about a guy whoif he's on your team and he's on the hill, you're just like, okay, like he's going to give us agreat effort. You don't have that too often. Like the consistency of Drew Rasmussen is off the charts.and like to me that's that is like your north star of a team when you when you get a guy like this
11:20who like whether he's you call him a stopper fine it's just like you know what you're going to getand he's moving the ball around the zone changing speeds and again just like stoically doing itI don't know there's just there's something about watching a pitch that makes me like want to playdefense behind him in the zone and and and inningsare short and I don't know it's just there's he's an absolute stud manTampa team option for 8 mil next year I'll announce that they will be picking upJurassicson's option breaking no it's there is something beautifully dominant about itbecause he's he's really not you know there's not a lot of 98's like he he he doesn't live
12:04there it's it's the pitcher that we've talked about and Nick Martinez actually has a little bitof it too and I you know he gives them 5.1 uh ingame four before this, but Rasmussen is kind of the perfect example right now where it literallyfeels like he has a video game joystick because the change up, well, the change up and the cuttercan go down and in. The sinker shoots that way. And then the four seam has some of the bestride on it, that it literally, it feels like he can do whatever he wants with the baseball.and whether it's him being locked in,he is one of the best pitchers in baseball,
12:44just going off of statistics.But, you know, there's a control aspect to it that you're right.It doesn't feel like he's scared to pitch anywhere.Or he's not even, I'm sure if we brought up the heat map.But, you know, you bring up some pitchers heat map,and it's like, yeah, they try to get their fastball here,and then they try to get that breaking ball down there.And it's like, Rasmussen, it feels like he just looks at the batter
13:04and he's like, what do you not want?And that's what you're getting.Ooh, I like that.little swing read.I'll give you some statisticsbecause he's been that good.This postseason, 21 inningspitched. He's giving up three
13:18runs. That's good, right?And two,there's getting up two homers, so he's got hit by that.But onlywalked three guys in those 21innings and struck out 23of them. So that's kind ofwhat you want. He's a stud.
13:34I guess back to the game.Oh, okay. Back to the. He was a bigpart of the game. And the other thing that I willdouble down on, thequick innings and just the hopelessinnings, like in a building, in aplayoff home game.Like you had some Browns fans leaking
13:50over in Cleveland, who they just tookthe lead in the AFC Norris division.They're like, 5 p.m.start, a little funky.And that crowd, like, they, I think theyhad one Bronx cheer at one point.I think someone drew a walk in the middleinnings. And I think it was like
14:06two outs. And the crowd looked around and was like,Yeah, yeah.Not a lot of base runners.It's not what you want in a playoff game.You want to get that crowd rowdy and going.I guess going back to the game, which sounds ironic,it could have been uglier earlier.Like the race had a lot of action on the bases that Stephen Kwan throw home,
14:27which just talk about a quick transfer and a star defender making a play.And man, that one felt like it was happening in slow motionbecause they had tested Kwan a couple times,which I think it's kind of funny.Other teams might not, but the raise, they decided like,hey, for everything Stephen Kwan is, we're willing to test the arm.And they won, they won a battle, and then they lost a battle.Yeah, I mean, it's just being aggressive.
14:49That's what they do.I think there's a couple of parts early on, you know,if you want to go back to the top of the second where they added on.So, you know, first three innings, they score a run apiece, and you're right.Like, there was traffic.Camerra had a couple chances to really extend a lead,and he was just waving at changeups down in the way.Um, so he's been like had big hits, but a lot of the time he just had he still hasn't gone yet.
15:13Um, I do think Yanni Diaz doing his thing is fantastic and I love the way he hits, butOranda, um, in this series and especially in this game, just shooting the ball the other way.Yeah.And just kind of like shortening up and I don't know.I always like to go golf terms.I feel like more people like play, have like really played golf.Like this is just like, like, like, like, like, I like, like,layup type swings. We're like, I'm just, I'm just putting the barrel on. I just want to hit it forward, coach. You know, like when you get in that position, part five, I'm laying up. I just want to get it closer. That's the type of swing he's taken against Parker Messick here. And just driving that pitch right in the left field, making it to nothing. I just, there's something about that, like, understanding the situation, who you're going up against. And hey, like, what, what's going to serve our team? Because this guy can hit homers. He can drive the ball. But he understands, like, what,
16:07what is going to make me successful in this abat?And man, just peppering it the other way.I thought it was really, really cool to see.Yeah, and the raise hits as Rasmussen was essentially doing his no-hitter thing again.There was one hit on the board for a while.But you're watching the raise hits tally up, and you're like, you know,they finish the game with 12 of them.And yeah, I don't know.
16:30It's one of those things where you and I, we could spin off for 30 minutes if we truly wanted.But, you know, it felt like the Brewers were doing that.It felt like the Dodgers were doing that.The Dodgers Mizorowski game where they were openly like, yeah, if the heater comes,we're just going to poke at it.And hopefully we can either slap it for a single or foul it off.And then if we get a hanging slider, we'll turn on one.And I don't know.
16:53I think there's some fan bases out there that are watching this.And again, you don't want to turn into a full-blown analytics blowout, drag-out fight.But I think teams kind of said, like, that's not.not the approach. Like that's like, you know.Well, I, okay. In today's day and age and the guys on the hill how good they are,I think that more often than not, you're probably going to be in a mode where I can't takemy ace swing. Right. Like I need to battle and I need to get the barrel to this ball. So like I'mprobably going to shorten up. Maybe my leg kicks a little smaller. Maybe I bring my hands a
17:32closer to the body and I'm just trying to, you know, work my hands and get the barrel there.I think that's an appropriate approach, especially the runners and square position.Now, every once in a while, you're going to get a guy you see well or you're going to getinto an advantageous count or you might have the pitches because they're tipping.Then by all means, man, take a fucking hack and try to drive it out of the ballpark.Like, that's okay to me.I think we are definitely coming back to something we've said on this pod for years.you got to have more than one club in the bag.
18:03You got to be able to do that.So I think we got away from it a little bit because it was like we're chasing numbersand this is how we're going to, the easiest way to score is hitting a homer.You're going to hit homers and you need to do that to be successful.There's no doubt about it.But I think approaches have to change.And I, you know, there are times where when you shorten up and you're just trying to putthe barrel on the ball, guess what happens?
18:26You end up driving out of the park.Yeah.You don't, you physically do not lose juice.much juice as you'd think when you shorten up.Like two,two strikes approaches,sometimes you're like,wow,
18:38how did I just hit that ball that hard?I'm not even trying to swing hard.You just do.So I think that's what we're seeing from Milwaukee,from the race.And I think we'll see it throughout baseball because if you're going up thereand your approach is extra base hits,extra base hits against some of these pitchers,
18:55it's not going to be extra base hits.It's going to be strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout.So I think combating that.combating that nastiness that we're seeing from the hill is leading to more of these.Like, all right.Plan pepper, pop.Yeah, I think the one, the homer this postseason that jumps out is Petey Halpens.Because I think he had two strikes on him and he's, you know, not a power guy, but there's a
19:18ball middle that he's like, oh, shoot, let me get there.And because he got there with a nice swing, it ends up being a homer that.I don't know.I think we're going to have to do some philosophical episodes this off season because we got some time on it.Pete Alonzo, one of the best home run hitters in the sport has quotes like,I don't try to hit homers.Like, it's impossible.That's for another time.
19:39I think the other thing that, because, you know, Rasmussen is rolling,which is a theme of this game.The bullpen comes in for Messick,and after Heron comes in and make that big pitcher field,which they do that.Cleveland locks in.Dude, there's also defense all over this field,which is delightful.
20:00You know, arguably the biggest momentum play, I know this is jumping too far ahead,but Jose Ramirez's play on Chandler Simpson's bunt was arguably the most momentum Cleveland had in the laterinnings.Like, the crowd appreciated how impressive that was, which was insane.But, dude, almost every inning, it's what you and I have been talking about with Tampa.It feels like they make these eight, eight and a half out of ten plays, like routinely.That just normally in a playoff moment, that's when the lights get the bright.and it's like, oh, shoot, that could have ended the inning,
20:32and now there's two runners on.They just seemingly make the play, and it feels, it kind of wears you out.Yeah, Williamson had one, I believe it was on Jose Ramirez,Taylor Walls had one, like a chopper up the middle.Yeah, those are like the momentum stopping plays.Or like, you just don't let that rally start.This play right here.I mean, Jose, you know, you're trying to get around that baseball.
20:58so you can try to get your momentum somewhat shifted towards first base.He can't because it's such a freaking good bunt.He obviously read it really well and just came and got it,but that's an absolutely perfect bunt from Chandler Simpson.There's nothing you can do better,maybe dead in it a little bit more because the more pace you have on the ball,the easier it is for the third baseman to get his paws on and throw it over there.When it's something's like dead or barely rolling,
21:24and you have that physically pick it up,that's when you have all the weird issues with your getting a grip and whatever.But this, I mean, he got that hammered it over there.You can't make a better play on a bunt right there than Jose Ramirez.And I do have a quick story that our listeners will not care about, but you'll like.Perfect.Senior year of high school, Ollie Linton.Ollie Linton.
21:47Great start.Okay.He bunts.This is what he does.Okay.He's a guy on our team.He's an agent now.He's part of this company, basically.
21:56Okay. I'm playing third base because he told me go play third base. I'm going to bunt on you.And this is during practice. And sure shit, he lays one down about as perfect as it gets.And I, Jose Ramir at his ass.Oh, wow.Picked it up, threw him out. And we still talk about it to this day because we're like, you know, that was that was skill on skill right there.Anyways, nothing to do with this. It reminded me of it, though.Yeah, I am sorry for everyone that had to listen to that.But as you were told, I like that story.
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23:27The sixth.And it's in the sixth there.Kwan gets the one-out single.That was the first hit since Chase DeLauders, two-out single in the first inning.So not a joke that Rasmussen was on his no-hitter stuff again.Jose Ramirez single.And that's where this game also did have a little bit of the sports feeling of,the race should have been up five or six nothing.
23:50Like this game shouldn't have felt close that now you're starting to get,tying runs up to the plate. You're starting to get potential winning runs up to the platein the middle of their lineup that you're like, okay, maybe Rasmussen's pitch count is getting up.Like, is this going to be it? The fact they only get one run. And it is funny in hindsight.Aranda, as we're talking about the defense, he does kind of bobbled or he kind of beefs thatball for a second that it would have been interesting if he feels that cleanly.You know, is there a play at home or how do they handle that?that I was laughing this morning, like catching back up on the game, that it was like,
24:25so the run the Guardians do score, technically it was like the raise only not clean defensive play.Well, we go to the ninth and Palacios, but I thought Miranda played great defensively,like making picks, you know, taking charge later in the game.Yeah, this one, not great.But do you get two here?I guess was anybody even covering first base?Do you go back to that?They were both scrambling.
24:53Oh, he was at it over there.Yeah.Okay.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.Yeah, I would have been, I don't know if he would have turned two or not on them.I don't think turned two, but it's still just like if he was willing to go home on it and they thought he had him.Like Nathaniel Lowe, you know, in the game four made a nice play of first base doing that.Yeah, I'm not saying anything could have happened.
25:15I mean, he also could have thrown home the runner safe and then the building starts going nuts.but it was just, it was a funny in hindsight.Like, how'd the Guardian score their one run?Well, okay, so yeah, it cuts it to 3-1 right there.So there's still a runner on second base.Rasmussen's still in there, still the middle of their freaking order,and he's able to get out of the inning.So it's another just, you know, tip of the cap to him.
25:37His line here ends up being seven-nings pitch, four hits, one run, one-case,or one-walk six-case.He's, what are this right here?Drew Rasmussen has made 33 starts this year.That includes the regular season.In 19 of those, he's allowed one run or less.That's a joke.Yeah.
26:01Okay.No, he's, yeah.In this age, well, we still super value strikeouts,and I'm team strikeouts when everything else is there.Because if they're bad for, if they're amazing for pitchers,they should be bad for hitters.and I do believe in that.But yeah, he kind of, I know you've already said the word magging,
26:23but there's just guys, it's almost like Yamamoto, right?Like there's going to be a guy that has more innings.There's going to be a guy that has more strikeouts that, you know,Drew Rasp was in might waltz into Cy Young 4,but it just kind of got a little overlooked because there was no argument for Syung 1.Do you know he pitched for the Brewers?Yes.I did not remember that.
26:46And I was looking at his stats.other day. And I'm like, okay, a little rematch. Possibly. Sorry, guards, man.It's yondi's words, not mine. We got more ball to go. What else do we need to cover in this one,coach? I'm trying to think about different managerial decisions. Vote does go to Cade Smithfor more than one inning to try to keep the game there. I thought that was smart. Wellsin to face Ramirez instead of Baker, I thought,I don't know.This cash is doing what cash does.
27:21Most managers go to their closer for a four-out save in that situation.I believe that's what it was.Those were two outs, right?They brought Wells in.He does the job, so I'm not questioning cash.But as far as other bullpen decisions and stuff, I don't know if I got any.I mean, Baker lead off walk in the ninth.You're like, okay, this is sports for you, Jake.
27:43That's a Jake quote.Thanks, thank you.But they end up getting out of it.To me, I think this is more about the raise, you know, getting out to that early league,kind of taking what Messick gave them, Messick not being as sharp,and the bullpen kind of doing their thing after Rasmussen.So, yeah, I mean, it's kind of all I got, and we've got to move on to game six now.Yeah, I guess.
28:06Oh, I guess the Palacios ball.Yeah, you can talk about that.I mean, he comes in, Mattel pinch runs for Camerero, Ben Williamson has to go over to third base.now pelasios comes in late in the game they have a double play ball that could end the game i believeit was with one out um and i don't know what happened i don't know if it got like it's a scarytimes and i'm a little nervous i mean they're pretty deep into the postseason now where likeyou probably don't have as much nerves um as you did maybe in the in the opening rounduh but he ends up just palming this ball and throwing it and you're like okay well that's that's uh another
28:45Let's leaving the door cracked for the guardians,and then it ends up not mattering in the end.Yeah.Yeah, you're doing it.You got to mention it.Thank you for my sports quote in there.I appreciate that.Yeah.
28:56Yeah, I think it's just the definition of you could be,I don't know, you could be a Hall of Famer defensively on the bench,but if you come in for the ninth inning only and you haven't made a throw yet,like, I don't know, it's going to be harder to make that first throw.Oh, there's, Ila.Have fun.Hey, bye.All right.
29:20Give me the Chris Rose treatment there.I don't know what that means.She probably loves Chris Rose.Everyone does.I want to do some bigger picture stuff because you mentioned,and maybe we can tie in some game four a little bit in this.Because you mentioned Kevin Cash doing what he does with his bullpen,essentially, and this whole race team.
29:44But you're right.I think for that Tyler Wells out, and again, go back to his quotes in game one,where I put my hand up and I kind of called him out.And this is both sides.And you can bring the Dodgers into this conversation too,where there was part of the Dodgers series that I was like,you know, we were asked Dave Roberts,were wondering where Diaz, where Scott,
30:05where Roki were early on in that series.And it felt like Dave Roberts was playing for a longer six or seven game seriesto try to hide his relievers.In game four, we see some of this as well.You obviously have the DeLotter error, which is tough, and it extends the game.But one, they go to Fastball Freddie for two outs, and he's going to be the game six starter.Because they get a little extra lead, they go to Ian Seymour, who you're stealing outs in a postseason game.But in that same very game, on the other side, Daniel Espino, who we talked about had been kind of a revelation this series and looked like a game changer.
30:43he comes in and faces the same part of the order for a third time,and they finally come through, and Caminero jumps him.This is me playing both sides of the coin,where I was frustrated with Dave Roberts,not attacking the series earlier,but that's because he thought it was going to be a longer series.Kevin Cash does the same thing,and now he's starting to get rewarded from that
31:07by pushing some extra scary bullpen buttons,but it's currently working,out and now he looks smart.You're saying so he's savingthe back end you don't want to havethese guys getting too many looks at him rightin a row, especially with four games in a row.I see what you're saying. I think he just trust a lot
31:25of the guys and he's like, all right, like, you havewe have somewhat definedroles here, but I'm also going to deployyou in where I think youcan be advantageousor can be advantageous for you. It's kind of justwhat they do. But Ido like it because no matter who
31:41you are as a pitcher,If I get to see you three days in a row, I mean, I feel like I start to have, at least I'm getting more comfortable.I'm not going to say I have the advantage every time, but you know, you see the pitch shapes.And look, I know there's a trajectory, although they don't have it on the road here.It's not the same, bro.Get me in the box.Let me see everything.Pitch shapes to me.
32:05And like where I'm, where I'm like setting up my tunnel or my target there is, is.is so huge.So yeah, if you do get to see you guys multiple times,especially if you're able to work like five, six, seven pitch of bats against them,it does change your perspective on a pitcher big time.Yeah.And I guess the other extension of that is I'm complimenting his managing.It's also nice when, you know, Nick Martinez goes 5.1 in game four.
32:36You get seven out of Rasmussen in game two where, you know,Foster Griffin in those two games is the long man with three.2. Messick only gives them two innings that...Yes.It's where...I don't know, I guess if I was a Guardians fan,listen to this right now.I'm like, hey, you know,
32:51Trev mentioned Jake's theory of sports after this.Like, why don't we win two ball games?And we still go to the World Series.It feels like it's playing out...There is paths this series could take,and it felt like the race saving their bullpen,the race having more starting pitching,both lineups having different versions
33:12of pesky or being able to put up runs,although Cleveland's numbers the past couple games,obviously tougher because they've lost them.But it feels like there's a raise momentum swellbetween heading home,between winning the last two games,between, I think fairly Cleveland,like they're the better team,
33:32like 98 win regular season and all that.It feels like the ball is rolling down the hill,and it feels like someone's going to have to do something specialto stop it and I don't know who that's going to be.Well, you think it might be Gavin Williams and do you say, hey, we were trying toforce a game seven. Stephen Vodas has come up and said absolutely not. And Dahl last nighton our text thread put out a tweet from Tim Stebbins. Nice. And was talking aboutthe Velo starting high in game three. It started at 90. Hold on. Let me get it up again.
34:09Max Velo in game three was 99.2 in the first inning.It fell to 95.4 in the fifth and final inning.So possibly talking about if they were to bring him on short rest,what version are you going to get of Gavin Williams?Is he going to be the 95 guy?Because that guy's not as effective as the guy that can blow at 99 by you.So I think that's what we're thinking here.They really haven't announced it yet, to my knowledge.
34:38possibly a tiner-biby siding.We know the Rays are going with fastball Freddie.So they have a clear pitching plan,whereas guardians are going to have to just try to muck it upin a winner go-home game.Yeah, and it's just, I guess the other partthat feels scary is when you're talking aboutall of those relievers.
34:58Like, let me get some of this.Cade Smith,actually, you know, Gattison Sobrowskihad missed a couple days.Tim Heron, Sean Armstrong have pitched back-to-back days.Messick obviously pitches yesterday.There's a way to do it.There's a way to do it.
35:19It's just, yeah, you'd want to save Gavin Williams for game seven,and you just don't know if there's a game seven that's going to be out there.And it is the right move.I guess sometimes people may wonder if we flip-flop on thatbecause sometimes you and I are ancient Roman warrior comes out,and it's like, win today.like Gavin Williams is a beast.If he tells you he can pitch, let him pitch.
35:41He's also 27.He's in his first full workload.You saw that V-Lo drop in the final start that you do.Get it to seven.Get it to seven and we can talk Gavin Williams.If you're Cleveland, you're like, hell yeah.We get to seven and we got Gav, the big rig on the freaking mound.You're stoked.
36:03So, yeah, you got to do whatever it is.I'm curious to see what they do.You think about openers and what they're going to be in the way kind of Tampa staggers right left.Like it becomes difficult to just throw somebody out there.Yeah.Man.Sometimes you look at bullpen games.You're like, oh, that's, you're punting.
36:27And then other times you look at bullpen games, we're talking about like controlled chaos with the white socks when that was working.And you're like, that's filthy.Got to face a new guy every, every inning.And for Cleveland, you just don't know which one you're going to get.Well, and that's the thing.And that's what we talked about with these longer playoff series.And, you know, how long can controlled chaos work that you need someone to have an outing.You need someone to chew up a game.
36:51Because I don't know, especially with the four games in four days with, you know, the travel gets worse.Like, these guys are, these guys are beat up that you're, I don't know,I feel like Cleveland has hit the point of the series when whoever's coming out of the bullpen.You're watching the first couple pitches like, okay, do they look, are they sharp or is it already get the next guy up?And that's a bad feeling.It's a bad feeling.You can tell them what's right away.It's crazy, right?
37:21Crazy.Maybe Cade Smith will just like throw 40 pitches or something because he's still unreal.Yeah, he is.I bet it's longer.The leash is longer tomorrow for Cade Smith or tonight, excuse me, for Cade Smith.He could go two.Rob, do you still have that image of Cade Smith,Mogging, Trev, and Chris Rose doing the same?
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38:51Maryland, visit MDGamblinghelp.Not available in all states.Terms apply, see Fanatic Sportsbook app.Okay, I mean, what else you got over there, big guy?I'm just also thinking about the brewers and what the hell they're doing.You talked about that before the show.Like they're just kind of hanging,waiting for the series to start.
39:13A lot of practice.But yeah, I don't know.I mean, I'm excited.I'm excited.I hope the Guardians Force Game 7.Love a winner go,a winner go home game like that.I would love that.
39:25So we'll see how it goes tonight.We're going to tell early on.I feel like this game is going to be,you're going to get a good feel for what's going to happen early on.If they're going bullpen game like that,If the guardians can come out and, you know, get a lead,I think that helps them a lot.If they get behind, I don't think the vibes are going to be high.
39:45I don't.I think the guardians, the guardians need an ancillary piece to do something.I think they need to see Rokio hit a foul pole.Yeah, Rokio has not been playing off Rokio yet.Joe Adel's got a turn on one or something.Like, I think they need to see someone else be like, okay,the path for Cleveland to do this?Well, now Joe Adele's a threat again
40:10because right now he's selling a little bit.But the Tampa Bay pitching also deserves a lot of the credit,and they have been the class of the American Leaguebasically from the start of the seasonthat I know there's been a lot of talk about this seriesand big markets and the CBA and everything coming up,but if you took away the Tampa Bay and their reputation,it would just be like, no, this has been the American League's best team.
40:35And I'll tell you what, Chandler Simpson, like whenever he's in the middle of the line,that fourth, fifth, whatever it is, that just mucks it up, dude.Like he's such a game changer.Like all of a sudden, I feel like if you're playing defense against the race,all right, we got these guys that we got to get Yondya out, okay?You feel like it's just a regular baseball game.And then all of a sudden, if someone's on base and you got Chandler Simpson up,your heartbeat starts to race because I got to be ready.
41:03and I cannot even no wasted movement nothing I have to be perfect here I feel like hissuccess that he's had later on in the season into these into the postseason has completelychanged the fortune of this race team I think it just makes them so much more difficult to defendand to beat like he like he's I know we got the top three guys the lineup there and they've done agreat job but he to me has been the X Factor yeah and heHe has the big sack fly in game four, which, again, it kind of goes back into that whole conversation about contact and power.Like, obviously not power, but his contact bat has been there that in that moment, that was what they needed.That's what they got that makes it, you know, that game becomes 5.3 would have been 4.3.
41:51Who knows.And yeah, you're right.This is weird Jake Brain, but I know you, like, tapping into that.And I think we brought up the movie 300 on here, and I think Dalton, like, hadn't seen it yet, and we were all a little disappointed.We can double check that.But, no, they have their formation and they put the shields down and they got the guys and they do the,and they step up and they've got you.That's somehow what Chandler Simpson feels like when there's a runner on base.
42:19Like, guess what?You're about to be in trouble.Like, I don't know if I'm going to bunt.I don't know if I'm going to slap it.But the best outcome for you is still not good.And that's not a lot of guys have that feeling at the plateBecause pitching is so dominantYeah I mean he doesn't have to like even get a hit to cause chaos
42:40He's just put the ball in playI want to know what size bad he usesI'm very intrigued it looks hugeOkayIt looks massiveAnd the barrel's hugeI want to know what it isIt looks like a C243 but
42:54Also it doesn't really swing that wayI don't knowSick referenceYeah C243 is likesmall handle big barrel.And it's weirdhow the baseball world does that.They all go to Louisville Slugger
43:08bat models.And maybe the new generationdoesn't because there are all these new bat companies.So that used your thing.C-271 is like a verythat's whatJeter used. No, he, no, G-U'sdifferent one. I think that's what A-Rod used,
43:24which is not a power hitter's bat. It's kind of like a regulartaper type bat.So there's that.The true hitter is bat.I think Ken Griffey Jr. also used it.And then there was like, I used an M110,which was like thick handle, thicker barrel.A lot of different things.
43:39I don't know.That's just straight a baseball talk right there.I love it.Yeah.That would mentally drive me nuts.What?Like trying to pick the right bat for you.Okay.
43:51Well, you just picked it up.That's how you picked it.Oh, this one feels good.Now they're starting the Cubs now, I believe,as the team that's like, oh, we're going to start customize it.said that five years ago on this show like why aren't we like they do it for golf clubswhy aren't we sizing guys for bats how has this not been a thing i think marucci is like triedto do it in the past and now there's some business that's like here we go i'm like hey you're
44:14welcome like how how has that not happened yet every single team should have their guys goand figure out what bat works best with their plane maybe you got two of them when you're feelinggood and you're not feeling good i don't know oh i like that yeah myfeeling bad bat.Hey, we're in a tough spot, pal.Yeah, a little lighter.Let's run into something.I like that.
44:36I like that.Okay, some ball talk at the end.By the time you're listening this,game six is on Monday, October 19th.Game 7 would be October 20th.We're going to have some live streams going.I think the next talk in baseball,I think, is going to be World Series preview.
44:58So if the raise win for game six, we'll start whipping that up and getting ready for you.If not, we'll find out who it is for game seven and get that going for you guys.So I think that's it.World Series Week.Yeah.Milwaukee, we're coming.F or F?F.
45:21F.No.Jake sucks.Oh.He looks like you.It looks like you just palm my head and squeeze it.Looks like, is it Ultron?I don't live in the Marvel world, but my God, he just looks...
45:37It's not a good feeling to just be next to someone that could kill you.It looks like Superman.I got to get into like jujitsu or some shit.I got to be able to defend myself against these freaky.Yeah, me and Evan Longoria.
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