The Adam Friedland Show (Cumtown) - The Lost Episodes: MIA

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Welcome back to The Out of Freeland Show. This is the second week of our lost episode series on the 26th of August, season. three premieres. Folks, this week's episode is with MIA. I went to London for a soccer game from my bachelor party, and I'm disgusting. I was sick, and I'm sitting next to this angel. But it's a really good episode.

I just watched it this morning. It's really good. You'll enjoy it. So that's probably why we didn't release it. I don't know. But also, New York Comedy Festival, November 27th, Town Hall, get your tickets. at Adam Freeland. Show. Thanks a lot, guys.

Enjoy the episode. It's good. That's sorry, why you sound sarcastic? Uh, ladies and gentlemen, it is my distinct honor, privilege to welcome MIA. Give it up for her. You really brought an entourage today. Hi.

Hi. Hi, Maya. Thanks for coming on. Hi, Adam. I'm a big fan. I was telling you on the phone yesterday. You strike me as a person that everything you try, you're good at.

Is that right? Oh. You just could do it. Like, you didn't want to be a musician. You just did it. Is that right? You want to be a filmmaker. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. It takes a lot of money to make a film. Yeah. And I was like, how am I going to do that, you know? And then... I talked to a filmmaker because I thought he might have met you today, but he said that...

Who? I think you just are a fan, but I wanted to know if you guys have met... I took some harmony today. Harmony Corinne? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, I'm a number one fan. He said, say what up. Yeah, and you're like Dog 1-95 too.

Those are your best year-five. Yeah. Hearing that, you went to Central St. Martins, which is like the art school in the UK. Were you like, you were cool growing up? Or were you weird? I was both. I was weird and cool.

But Harmony Corinne made weird cool as well. Sure. So it was perfect. It was that perfect time. I was like 18 when he made, well, maybe 17, 18 when he made kids. Yeah. So it just... That made me afraid of having sex.

You know, that there was a tiny little thing where weird, cool people belonged and it was nice. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have like early film projects from school still that you still have access to? I am, I just, I don't know, somewhere in my mom's attic, maybe. Yeah. Do you remember what they were? Oh God, yeah.

I made this weird film, obviously. And it was about, it's funny, it was about numbers, okay? So I was trying to work something out. I was really, I was, okay, so if you did film at Sir Martins, you kind of had to be a lesbian, you know? And I would go in with stilettos and shit like that. And they were like, she needs to be kicked out. college so they would always have a group meeting saying my is coming in with like

tight leggings and stilettos on and mini-skirts talking about the prejudice you experience yeah so she's not serious about movies she needs to get kicked out so she's cargo shorts yes and a plaid shirt like everybody was sort of like that and like you know at that time it was really fashionable to shave all your hair so everyone had like skin ads and trying to look like aliens and things and then there was me that was kind of like listening to hip-hop and you know and R&B and would be wearing stilettos but also like I did go through a mullet phase and stuff like that but then but you know I was experimenting you're finding your thing you're I was finding my thing and and so I realized

that the best films to make were material materialist films where you affect the film which means that your creativity became more about not you know writing shots down and making narrative movies or I didn't want to do like highly conceptual movies either so it was more about like how to invent a style in the way you're fucking around yeah it's like the physical form of the film, you know, like it was an art degree as well. Yeah. So the first one I made was about numbers and it was about this setting up this funny enough, it's like setting up a narrative but the narrative was just about this guy

say like playing the lottery or something. Yeah, but each scene the way he chooses the numbers is just a weird weird way, right? But the narrative of the film sets you up that he's one thing, but then at the end, it's something else totally. So it was, it's kind of like a... And did you earn the respect of the lesbian community or? I didn't. I didn't. They're a tough one. No, this is what happened. The actor that I cast her to do it, I swear to God, I filmed the stuff. He was really like cool and everything. And then like, Like, my friend, or the year after my friend who was in the same class, she ended up becoming like the first porn director for Channel X.

Who? She was called Anna. What was her? She's a poor? Wow. She was doing porn while we were at Sir Martins. Oh, cool. And I'd cast this actor to be in this numbers film that I was making.

And then a year later, she's like, you know, my cameraman dropped out. Can you come and help me do camera today? You shot a porno? So I went to do camera, but I was very highly opinionated about the lighting and this and that. I'd been obsessed about material filmmaking. And so I was not interested in the narrative. But then there's a knock of the door. The actor arrives, and I open the door, and it's the same actor, right?

And then you got to see him having sex? Yeah. Oh, right. And basically, he couldn't have sex in front of him. me because he already knew me kind of thing. So then she fired me on the set and she was like, you need to leave and get out. You're really, you can't get hard.

Yes, exactly. So then that was my like very short lived. So I've tried different things, yeah. But you started doing visual arts. You were making like an album artwork and stuff, like graphic arts and stuff. Is that correct? And you just smashed that and then what? You just became a music.

I mean, it doesn't seem. Yes, I sometimes... There's something very charming about it. It's like the kind of girl that you like fall in love with and then she ruins you because she's just so amazing. But she, yeah, and then she goes like, oh, I have to go to Europe with a married man. And you're like, okay, fine, what's wrong with me? You were with a journalist that took you around to different genocides?

I wasn't with him. There's a song about it, right? I was pining. But what I'm saying is, like, you had this, like, That was not past, okay? I'm just saying what's clear is like I have this image in my mind of

you just like going through life and just like being purely creative and like trying out different things and they kind of because it is a very rare thing for someone to just have a knack for any creative arts that they apply themselves to

although that numbers movie I don't know about that but that... Yeah no it wasn't good but like but I was trying something thing that you know I was I was trying to figure out how you know you it's actually became a Hollywood formula of the next whatever you know like to set up

a narrative and there's a twist at the end like yeah sure that became a thing Chabalabaladian exactly he's a pro at that so that's it's a thing but you know at that time my first year I was I was trying to do that but then anyway because obviously my dad's not from the art world you know he's a politician and he's a writer and things like that yeah how did immigrant parents handle you being artist yeah exactly so it was the first time someone had done that so it was kind of lonely even though you say oh you're just rolling around being creative and expressive I mean you must have

been thrilling to be around in those days I don't know I'm sorry if it's also weird you know because you go home and your family are like weird that's the best your was a seamstress for the royal family. Yeah. Yeah, because... She made medals. Is that correct? Yeah, because during the time I was living in the council flat,

my mom looked in the paper, and the only job that didn't require English was the sewing thing. And my mom's always been a seamstress, even in Sri Lanka. Yeah. So her and my cousin applied for the job, and they both got it, and it was around the corner from my school. And they chilled with the queen of England? And they would just sit in a room and sew these men.

medals and it's like so bizarre you know I didn't really well you got a what is it called MBE yeah so the full cycle of that is that my mom stitched my medal yeah which is weird what is it called yeah a member of the British Empire Empire how that feel and you got it from the queen at her birthday party I got it from a prince William. Prince William, the bald one. Yeah. Charles wasn't there.

And then I went to Prince William, and as I got my man, I was like, hey, can you release Julian Assange? You said that? I did. So if you hear me talking, that's what I was saying. I was like, can you please release him out of HMRC, Belmarsh, which is the most worst prison ever. And he said, I'm sorry, it's out of my hands.

And then I was like, but you're the king. Yeah, he's just the prince. The prince. Yeah, yeah. I was like, surely you can talk to your dad or your grandma. No, those guys can't do anything. He was like, no, it's out of my hands. I don't have that power.

They just leave in a house. And then I walked off. Wait, so did you get, do they do it with a sword or no? That's not. No, he just like pins it on you, I think. What do you get? Like, do you get like a discount at like a Tesco's or so? Okay, I didn't get anything.

What are like the, one of the bennies for an M. Nothing, but you know what? It's kind of useful right now today in this moment. Yeah. Because, you know, you're like canceled for words, but I got that medal for my words. One thing I've always fixated on is like there's this cultural exchange, like, especially rock and roll, like, like, like Mick Jagger sings in an American accent or Adele sings in in an American accent.

Like, something about you and the clash is like, you're using your own voice. Like, was that a deliberate thing or? No, I'm just me, you know? Yeah. It's hard to be something you're not. Like Mike Skinner, I always thought it was really cool that he sounds that way.

So I had, I wanted to be as honest as possible. And also truth is important to me. So, like, you always had to be like that. so that it was just airtight, no one can knock you, you know. And I thought to me that was important to be truthful. Did you go to sound clashes and stuff? I actually came from a different zone. You're listening to hip-hop.

I was listening to hip-hop and then I was listening to, you know, dance, rave music quite a lot. Like, one-thous. Yeah, so I did a bit of that and that was always part of my thing. But then I discovered, well, I came to America for the first time in the... in the late 90s or middle middle 90s. Yeah, something like that. And then that, then I got really into West Coast rap or any,

rap from everywhere. And then I was a bit of a hardhead about that until I went to St. Martin's. And then when I started mixing with people and they would take me to like London parties because I didn't really go to those kind of parties, you know, like cool parties, jungle raves, which kind of samples dance for a lot. And it had, it's much more like street stuff.

And then when I started going to fashion parties is when I was getting into like indie music. I guess Oasis came out, when did Oasis put their first record out? 94. So I started Sir Martin's around 96. So that's what was popping, you know, Oasis, the Verve, like you had all this indie music. And Spike Jones started making. music videos and it was all just like the best kind of art, you know, radio head was like the biggest band. Yeah, best band ever. So I, you know, you couldn't avoid it. It was just like, in your face.

It was just like the best time in London. It was basically the cool Britannica era. Yeah. And so you couldn't avoid it. I was at Sir Martins. And that's when I got into the clash. So what was the segue to music. Was it... I didn't want to be a musician at that time. I was just impressed by music videos, you know. So my ambitions after leaving Sir Martins was to be a music video director. And nobody would give me a job because you really had to like network to do that, you know. And people were like, what's she going to know? She's not a lesbian. She's not a lesbian. And it's so dominated by like these like dudes, you know. And, and, and, you know, and, you know, and, And so my favorite video at the time was,

I would say every radio head video. Every radio head, yeah, that they were the pinnacle. And Bjork had amazing videos. So we were just like, wow, you know. It was like the best time for art. Do you remember the first song you made? The first one I wrote was MIA, which is the hidden. And you just dropped your first song that you ever tried.

Yeah. Fucking hell. That was it. I mean, that's crazy. You know that's kind of, like in stand-up, like no one. one's good when they start like apparently Dave Chappelle was you know like but it is a very rare thing to be able to just like you you're probably gonna be michael and star chef tonight if I had to guess I kind of can be yeah she kind of can be doing since I've been fired like

cooking every day and it's just like wow you know like who you get fired by the Monopoly man Yes. Yeah. The powers that, anyway. Tell me about the film CB4. Wow, you really, do you know people that went to some minds with me or something? No, I just love that.

I just, no, I don't. Okay, CB4 came out. Obviously, I love comedy as well. It's a Chris, it's like a Chris Rock film. Yeah, and it's a spoof that Chris Rock did, yeah, of, well. of West Coast rap. And it was so hilarious, but obviously it's borderline not good.

It's highly controversial. It wouldn't even get shot nowadays, you know? But at that time, it was so extreme, and it was so funny, and it was dealing with really important subjects. And I took it into college, and I was like, I want to, you know, because everybody kept dumb, like,

Any suggestions for like films we need to discuss and you know in film theory or whatever everyone would be like felini Godard and I was like drier yeah yes and I presented CB4 and then everyone's like absolutely kick her out now kick her out was Jarvis cocker at your school so he'd graduated by the time I'd gone there PJ Harvey went there whoa yeah well Jarvis and I heard Shardust They went there, but she did fashion. And then there was rumors that David Bowie went there, but I'm not sure. In terms of the way that music is distributed, in terms of like guerrilla, kind of self-produced

marketing, like, you were kind of the, you and like maybe like, I don't know, Soldier Boy were like, do you consider yourself my space generation? I mean, that that is really just like it's a precursor to sound cloud and like everything that's come since then, right? Yeah, I guess so. I guess so. It just all happened so fast, didn't it? Like, because really I started off the DIY person

and spray painting and pressing vinyals. And actually, the first demo, that MIA song, and Galang, were recorded on a dat tape. So I had to go and borrow like studio time and they gave me MIA and Galang on a DAP. So you could put it on MySpace? Yeah, then I had to buy a DAP machine and, you know, and convert it.

And so then, you know, when I did vinals, that was like, okay, now we're talking like common people language, like pressing vinals. Yeah. So people can play it in the DJ sets. And when I met Diplo, there was vials going on. My space hadn't happened. You know, that came like a couple years after. And you guys were dating, you were like collaborators as well?

What's wrong? I can't say that? No. You had a boyfriend, sorry. Yeah. I mean, like, you got, you made paper plays together. He, he, he, he said, he found him. I discovered Diplow?

I discovered him. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It sounds like you went to his show. I heard his demo. So he made his first song. It was called Newsflash and it was on a friend's mix tape and I was like, that sounds like the sound. Yeah. Or this person, they need, there's something that. I feel like is a thing that they get the same, or they've had the same upbringing musically.

Yeah. And I could tell that by one demo. And then I just rang around and found out like where he was or who he was. And this is before the internet. And somebody had, he was signed to a British record label called Ninja Tunes. Okay. And or Big Data or something. and they booked him for a club night in London.

Yeah. And I got the flyer, and then I went, and I took Galang, which was a white label. Oh. And I was like, can you play this song? We had some, you know, beats in common, and he knew some odd references that only I knew. And I was like, wow, that's pretty cool.

But we didn't really get together. It's only after I went to Philly to make the mixtape. And you were telling me the story behind hearing the track for paper plays. We had a friend in common who was the editor of Fader magazine at the time called Knox Robinson. And Knox had a record label, and he went to Jamaica, and he was doing a remix album. the serious times rhythm. Okay. But this is how everything is connected

because of all rhythms, yeah, he was doing serious times rhythm. I feel like I'm major in talking about serious times. And so he brought the record to my apartment and me and West were living together at the time and he was like, here's the Egyptian record, right? So Egyptian had a record. Holdja?

No, it's before that, serious times. These are some serious times Go you give me the tightest hole We ever be in my life Yeah that was his big crossover hit But before that he did a serious song Called the Serious Times A serious time

Is the best song I want to listen to it The best song You're gonna love this song It's one of my favorite songs Go you give me the tightest hole He doesn't say the tightest hole It's like different lyrics

It is the tightest hold I thought it was the title I thought it was a nasty song All right Sorry guys I apologize guys He's a conscious guy He's a very conscious guy His first song is so beautiful

And I was obsessed with the song What's it called gyption Serious times So West was remixing that Okay And he got the paper planes beat On the go It's like 930 in the morning

And he's got the cash sample going. And he's going, and he's trying to fix it to these us in serious times. And I was like, this is my favorite song. Why would you even ruin it? And then at the same time,

I was like, I can write a song on that. So I was like, I have some lyrics and I kind of got out of bed, got on the mic, and we tried paper pains. Did you get in trouble for the gun? No. Oh, yeah, there was a bit. Yeah.

Who cares? Interscope kept taking it out, and then we just kept fighting. They put out Kim by Eminem. They put out a song about him putting his wife in a trunk. Yeah, but you know, like people on the TV. You can't go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and take your money? It's different when it comes from a brown woman. A baddie.

It's very baddy stuff to do. I mean, that's, yeah. From a white, blonde guy is different. But when it comes from a brown woman, Yeah. You can't say boom, boom, boom, boom and take your money? With a past. Oh my God.

Yeah. Was that the first time you'd gotten in trouble? You ain't saying that, eh? Was that the first time you got it in trouble? No, the first time was when I said, like, PLO, I don't surrender on my first song. Like Andrea? So I came out the gate in trouble, really. What's the lyric?

In Sunshowers, which was my first single. Yeah. Yeah. It said, like, PLO, I don't surrender. Rendell. Andrea Pierlo, the soccer player for a... No, like PLO. Oh, like the PLO.

Yeah, like Palestinian Liberation organization. You're early on the Palestine tip. It was my first sentence. So you guys, she got canceled for that? Yes, in 2004. So they took it off the radio, they canceled my song, and then people started writing into the American government saying, this person cannot come to America and perform. Because of that?

Yes. So when I came to do my first show in New York, New York and I did the Knitting Factory. They told me at that point that people were writing in saying you can't have this artist perform in New York. And so that's when America pulled up my past history because I started getting immigration problems because of that. So before that, before 2004, I'd been coming and going in America all the time.

I never had problems. I could come on an Esther, stay for three months. You know, like I worked with Diplo. I was on tour with Elastika. I'd been here visiting my family, like on the West Coast, like hanging out with my cousins and stuff. And never had problems. But the day I put out sun showers, the FBI went and like dug out all the stuff.

And, you know, because they were. They wanted to find something on me and then they found this like record I had from, you know, when I was like 18 and then they were like, we're going to stamp her. Because you said PLO? Yes. And that's really when my stamp on my passport appeared. And since then, you know, I get called into immigration all the time and interrogated all the time and it takes me like hours to get out of there.

And that happened because of the sunshadowed song. The stuff you get in trouble for is kind of bullshit. It's such bullshit. Having a gun on the best song ever. Look at how forgiving I am to society. What about the Super Bowl? A middle finger. She did this at the Super Bowl.

How badass is that? With Madonna. Yeah, and also, like, my lyric was, I don't give a shit. So it's not even the biggest, you know, it's not the same as like a suicide bomb. Oprah called you a terrorist Everybody did at the time Because tigers were like They were kind of going off at the time

But the New York Times was calling me that You know Yeah So like everyone Reads the New York Times So before social media And before the social media Cancellation world

The media had the power You know and that's kind of how they Did the thing And you know what It's really interesting because now I'm swept into this left-wing, right-wing conversation in the U.S. But when I first arrived and they were writing in saying this person can't perform, you know, in these venues, that, like, was, I don't know, I just generally took it as American.

Like, it wasn't left or right, you know? Right. It was just, like, I don't know. But as this stuff was happening, you were still, your profile was growing. Luckily, every time they ban you on this thing, a new thing would pop up and you'd just be on that thing. Yeah. Like, those kids, so, like, they, when I first put my record out, they were like, we're not going to stock it in record shops because your music is weird and it's strange. Like, we don't know where a brown woman fits because you don't fit with the white thing and you don't fit with the black thing and we don't know where to put you and you ain't Desi.

either. Like you're not making Indian music, you know? So we're not going to put you anywhere and we're just not going to sell your records. And they would come to Excel and say that, like Tower Records and Virgin, Megastore and shit. And Excel will call me in and say, they don't know where to put your record. And I'd be like, just put it next to the till. Like, if it doesn't go into a rack under genres, put it next to the till. And they would like, no. And luckily for me, lime wire.

popped off, you know? And people started downloading it, and partly that's because of Diplo, because he was already on tech. He was already on blogs and having chat rooms, and I didn't even have a computer

like that. But Americans were like 10 years ahead of us, you know, on that kind of front. England hadn't caught up yet. But you, I was introducing England to the chat room world for the first time because...

It sounded new. Yeah. The first time I heard you. Yeah, so it was kind of like popping off because of the internet. And thank God for the internet at that time. So piracy helped you. Piracy helped me because it got me on chat rooms. Yeah.

And then when a ruler came out, like six months later, it got downloaded a million times for free. Yeah. So the record label didn't sell records. And my record label told me that Jack White from White Stripes was using all the vinals as shooting targets. He didn't like it. He didn't like it. What?

So I don't know, maybe he liked it. But he was, it's just that there had so many vinyl's left over that they gave it to him. And he was using it as a shooting. ranch, you know, as a target. And I was like, and then obviously I blew up on the internet, because every time it's like, it's like, I love that my life is like this, that this is why I believe in God so much, because, you know, every time somebody does that, something else pops off. Like you just, you just can't be cancelled because the entire thing moves and, you know, that's, you know, that's.

You know, that's beautiful. All press is good press. I don't know. No, I don't think that's what's happening to me. I genuinely, I'm not tied to anything. Like, it's not that nothing is precious, but you're not tied to the world, you know, like, I am of the world, but at the same time, I don't know.

It's like, yeah, it's not like that, you know. But obviously you started collaborating, with like a million legendary artists. Who was the most inspiring? That's a nice question. The most inspiring. Timbo? Timbo is kind of going through a controversial thing

with the AI thing right now. Oh really? I don't know. But of course, like before I worked with him, he was like the legend, you know. I know. And... Missy? I mean, like, Madonna, obviously.

I never thought in my life I would meet Madonna, you know. Were there other female rappers that I showed love, like Missy Elliott? Yes, and Lauren Hill, I got to do some dates with her. I can't say the rain was my favorite song in fifth grade. Amazing. She was cool because she was like a big girl, and then all the guys in the videos would be like six-pack like hunks, right? It was kind of a reversal of like the hip hop like... The gays.

Well, like the video... The female gays. Yeah, the female gays. Yeah, exactly. You worked with Ye? Yes. So when I met him, he was the most open-minded out of all the rappers. He kind of was like hungry.

I think he was just hungry to know everything and learn everything. And he's like, what's going on, you know? Yeah. Because he also went to art school. Did he? I didn't know that. College dropout. I didn't realize that was an art school.

Yeah. I know his mom was a teacher. Yeah. Donda. Yeah. Is the Diddy stuff real? Is all that stuff real? I have no idea.

Yeah. Jay Z caught two. He got Epstein and Did he, right? That's a... Every time you mention that, I want to talk about a brand omni. Oh, you have smoke? Is there a thing? What?

Did I touch on a thing with Jay? No. You got to smoke with her? Don't try to like... Do you bang, bang, bang, and you... I'm not that kind of host. The thread. Every time you try to get the thread, I talk about my threads.

Finest copper threads. Oh, so you hate Jay-Z, you're gonna kill them. Don't cut that, okay. No. I didn't say that. These words did not come from... Wait, but is it... No, I don't have beef with anyone.

Me neither. I forgive everyone. And my relationship. my relationship with God and in who I am. I beef with that's the only person I beef with. How dare you? Sometimes that I have questions. But you know, I think everything is a necessity.

What are your favorite artists working right now? It's really hard because we're in AI time. Yeah. So. With music. Yeah, and I don't know. The definition of an artist. It sucks though.

It kind of sucks because I don't know. No, no. You know, is the genius somebody who uses AI? Or is the genius somebody who absolutely resists it and really bring some conversation about that? Like I can't tell what I love right now. Like I listen to different sounds, for example, like... Like... Sorry.

What was that? That's so... New York. What's a, yeah, for it? Farrt is huge in New York. I got... Slatsic. What, okay, what, what sounds?

Hog, hog, booyoy, yo, yo. Like, there's a whole movement in India, right? There's many different things popping off. So they have, like, like, since lockdown and all of that, India, if you go to, like, villages, they have these sound systems that really belongs to the people you know and it's really hard to find they're not advertised on the internet they're like hidden it's like private secret raves and things you know and that that what do they

play that kind of movement to me is more thrilling so it's not sound like it is sound this is sound but they use sound waves to compete so they set up like speaker systems. Oh, it's sound clash. It's not really like that, but it's literally about the sound waves. So they put like, say, a bottle of water in the middle of the two sound systems and someone has to knock it over with the sound. So it's a sound clash, but it's like noise clash as well.

I don't know. So you go there and your particles literally gets rearranged. Like when you go, you have to like... Have you been? Yeah. And I've never felt anything like it. Like I had to lie down for two days and assess like what had happened to my body. And if I was the same person ever again.

But people go deaf like for like three, four days after they go to one of these. And it's just basically who. That was horrible. It's actually not a good feeling. Yeah, it sounds terrible. Yeah. But there's like, you know, issues like I spoke to the people in the village and everything and people say, this is not, you know, there's this is not. you know, this is not real music, you know, this is something else,

but this is using sound in a different way. But they use, say they take EDM and electronic music from the West or trance music or dance music, and they like just do stuff to it so hard, yeah. It's the most intense thing. And then they try to affect the environment, like blow chairs out of the room and shit. you know and it's like that's that's the dance that's the um parties that sounds terrible

but it sounds i mean it's cool yeah so you know artistically i mean it depends what you think of as art really you know like yeah we discussed that yesterday on that this is how bob dillon came up because if if art is only judged through what's popping on tic-tok and it's just about a dance routine that kids can copy, then yes, Bob Dylan would not make it, and neither would Kurt Gavain, and neither would, you know, anybody, even me, you know. You would make it. Even if someone put a gun to my head to do a dance routine, I don't think I could. And then you take your money.

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And nobody apologizes for their nothingness. Well, it's just like for you having boom, boom, boom in the greatest song ever, or for you using the middle finger at the Super Bowl. Eating French fries, not babies. These are like such quaint, like controversies, right? Yeah. I heard an interview with Sharon Stone, right? And like her last major performance, I'm pretty sure in a major movie was Casino.

You know, and I think like kind of if I'm piecing things together, is like, is if you're a woman that's like a little bit too, they can't be controlled, like, does it serve as a disadvantage at a certain point? This is a really great question. You said they'd be good. That is, that is people putting, trying to cancel you and put you in a box. But they're not doing it Taylor Swift. They're not. Because this is what I was saying on the podcast yesterday. Even they did it to me a few times. Even like supporting Julian Assange and now he's a free man and people love him now, you know. You're not the problem, but you are the target.

Like you said, you're the target. And why are you a target? It boils down to spirituality, you know, because I do think it is a spiritual warfare. I think it is because... You don't think it's just something like guy in a boardroom? It's just like, ah, get her, get her out of it. You cannot be on that list every year for random things. You just cannot.

If you're consistently on there, and then I had to go back to be like, was I on these lists from when I got famous, or was I on, like, experiencing stuff like this in my life throughout my life? And the truth is yes, you know, like there was always problems. You're canceled for being a Tamil. You're canceled for being a Tamil. and you know my school life was not easy it's not like I was like this you know my mom my dad would be cancelled for being from a country like for your

yeah the thing is I I think that some of these things are a necessity yeah when you get cancelled I do I so it's not like I have strong feelings towards this but to be a female pop star right like there there's a degree of you know, it's a company, right? It's like Taylor Swift LLC or something, right? Yes. You know, like you were someone that like, it's kind of a free spirit,

and like, do you think that that puts you out of disadvantage beyond your race, that you're just a person that's not like a CEO of MIA? When I heard that interview with Sharon So going back to that, like her assessment was, yeah, that like, there'd been a decision kind of that like she can't

she's too she's like a 155 IQ they're like yeah we can't like kind of like So what are you saying about Madonna then? Does she get in trouble?

She didn't get in trouble the music video for a like a prayer where's like that's the only time she's been in trouble isn't it that song what is that what do you think that song's about

no but that is the only time she's been in trouble No, I think when she made the sex book When she was doing Eurotica Uh-huh Like a virgin, people didn't like that I'm down on my knees I'm gonna take you there

Isn't her song about I know people are saying It's about blood job I know people are saying that And she's giving black Jesus a blowjob It's heretical She's saying And I learned a lot

Jesus was black And that's kind of what Kanye said Yeah But he got majorly cancelled And she got More famous I mean, like, does that float around in your mind or you just kind of unaffected by it? Because you also seem very well adjusted in speaking to you.

Yeah, so they, yesterday they kept saying, are you traumatized? Are you traumatized? You don't seem to me. You don't seem to me. And you're like, no. For fucking what, though? For what? Yeah.

That's their ignorance, not mine, you know? But you wonder, like, who's doing it? Who's saying canceled? Yeah, so then when I said they, they were like, who's they? And I thought that that was like a funny thing. But with me, honestly, I cannot define the they. The they in my case is many different types of people. I'm very varied in the palette of they.

It's not the quotation marks. It's not in America. Like you said, even if it's the robots or the AI and the algorithms doing that, They're programming the machines to think like that because they're thinking like that. I think it's just guys that are really rich, they can just make decisions in the industry, if they want you probably. No, but it's cross the board, not just industries. Cross the board, division, division everywhere and hate everywhere.

People only communicate now with negative comments, like you said. Real life is not like the internet. It's just like you go to dinner and then you see your dad, you go to fly home and see your dad, and then you go to vacation with your girls. with your girl you're on a beach it's kind of nice yeah nobody comes up to you going yeah yeah I mean also those are the things you kind of at the end of the day that you kind of matter like right like so it was like yeah like you what you flicked off the camera at the Super Bowl next to Madonna that's so sick yeah even

Madonna would like that nobody said oh yeah does it affect you like do you want to make tracks still like doesn't affect my music affect your desire to create art? I mean, it's not even music. No. Like... No, because that's my gift, you know, like, God gave me that. No one has the right to take that away, and no one can. They don't have the power to do that. What are you working on right now? What are these Indian sounds? No. At the moment, I'm out of work. Well, see, there you go. Like, don't you deserve, I mean, you seem like an incredibly, like, creative. individual like yeah so when I say that it lasts for about 48 hours you know like at the

moment I have just been making tracked focusing on my clothing line so tell us about that this is Omni and has something to do with JZ or something no no it's got nothing to do but this a clothing line basically that came out two years ago and it's made of metal, you know. So this is copper. Yeah, this is copper and this is copper and it just like Is it breathable? Yeah. I mean this is mesh. Oh, that's mesh, but what about the pads? Yeah, I would get kind of swampy. Well, this is mixed fabric. So it's patched with different ones and some are breathable and then it's got a zip. Make it as breathe. Wow. But there's different things and what is the purpose of the metal clothing? Okay, so you know you live in New York City.

It's actually perfect for New York City. So you have all these skyscrapers. And if you look through the window, like every single window on every single skyscraper is got an internet router, you know? Yeah, everywhere. So every rooftop has got 5G towers, which is now 6G towers.

And eventually you go to 10. Yes. And eventually you go to 10 because China's already on 10. So if America is killing us. They're just killing. It's insane. It's insane. I wish I would.

I wish I could talk about that because I had to go there to make the stuff. You weren't there to get metal clothes. Yeah, because only they produce the fabric. Uh-huh. Yeah. But they're already on 10G, but they also give you the fabric. So you're saying that the radiation is bad for people's bodies and stuff? Yeah, so you know, like in the last 20 years, the sperm count in men has gone down 60%.

I didn't know that. You didn't know that. No way. Oh, yeah. So it's really like, protection. Protecting your but is that because the cell phones? Yes because people put cell phones in their pocket That sounds like some RF jr jr's type of well you know he's a smart man isn't he like he's I don't know he seems kind of a like a wacko dude to me why I also you see that video of him trying

to do push-ups you can do like two even though he's got big muscles he's definitely on royds he's in his 70s so what when I'm in my 70s I'll do three push-ups from for sure, just to be him. You can't judge it on that. The physical body is like, like, you know, he, he, I don't know, I don't know the ins and outs of that. But he's not the only one who knows about this stuff. There's actually. Five Gs and stuff.

Wait, so when did you discover that, like, the negative health impacts of that? Because there are people that go to that town in West Virginia that has, like, no service, right? I tell you what. It's like, I've heard of, like, people. Tamil and these people are very old in nature and I in my lifetime Yeah Not passed down information and things I've read but my entire life is you know, it's really I've come from living in a village with nothing no television and no cell phone no phone even and no car like I come from

You know Yeah 80 Sri Lanka had nothing and it was a war zone and And you're a part of a press minority too. No, but it's also, it's not outside of the wall. I remember a time with my own brain where you did not have anything electronic. I lived the most organic life in the world. Like you pick your fruit off the tree and you get your vegetable in the garden and you cook it and you eat it and you live.

Simpler life. And yeah, and your entertainment was organic. Like your travel was organic. You used a bicycle. you went to, you wrote on slates. It's interesting because your music is very digital. I know. So in my lifetime, I did 10 years of that.

So I'm not talking about my grandparents' life. I'm talking about my own life. I remember that. I remember what it feels like to eat off a banana leaf and not off a plate, you know. I remember what it feels like to wear cotton and see the people that weave that cotton, you know. And then, obviously, I'm part of this.

the digital revolution of everything that happened and all of these things and wrote a song call connected to the Google, connected to the government, named my child, I Kid, like an iPhone the same year, it came out. That's the first name? Yes. And they go by I kid? Mm-hmm. Really?

Yeah. So, like, I embrace technology too. Like, I'm not a nonce. No, Nantes is a pedophile. What do you do? Nantes as an dummy, you know, like, I'm aware of you. I've lived in New York. I know what it feels like.

You know what I think right now, I don't know anything about radiation or anything. Could be real, could be not. I know that it's labeled like conspiracy, right? But like, on the other hand, you're an artist, right? You should be wearing metal clothes. Yes. Do you know why? We used to permit.

I'll wear metal clothes. Well, no, we used to permit for our artists to be, to be different. I watched an interview with Marlon Brando recently. And leaders of like new thought and new philosophy. of these new ideas. Like you say, oh, David Bowie, he premeditated content creators. And when I was, when I first came out as an artist,

I was a content creator, which is why I shot the documentary. A lot of that footage is self-shot with my own camera. It's not, you know, I'm talking about the Maya Matangi documentary where you didn't have an artist that had footage like that, because I was a selfie content creating film a person before the Arab digital social media.

Like I shot it on candy cams, yeah, yeah, yeah. And was addressing the camera all the time. I used to do jackass videos all those. Yeah, and this is like 15 years before that or whatever. So when I had that footage and you were making that footage on MySpace, that then became a thing, content creating and self-documenting and taking selfies. And, you know, the cover of color is just a selfie photo on photo booths.

So you've edited it and everyone's copy. It's not the point. I'm saying is, no, but what I'm saying is, just like David Bowie, 20 years before, said, there's going to be content creators. And yes, you just got, you're doing the thing he said. And we're like, wow, he foresaw the thing. Some artists have the ability to be the zeitgeist.

I like that you're wearing metal clothes because you're dope. You're a genius. No, but... No, what I'm saying is... Why would you not wear clothes made out of silver and gold and copper and these things? It's luxury. Because I'm kind of like a breathable material. I like a cotton.

Yes, but you know, copper in the ancient times, the yogis used copper is an antibacterial method. So they stored water in copper pots. You know, they ate from copper plates. And they did wear copper bracelets and things. Yeah, yeah. But they didn't have toilet paper also. It doesn't matter. The point is the beneficial...

Huh? I'm not trolling, actually. No, it's not trolling, but it is beneficial to the human body. Natural material. We are made of dust. If you believe that we are made of material, or come from the stars or whatever people believe, like made from the dust in the material world.

Yeah, well, we're made in God's image. Yes. Yes, and when we die, our body goes back to the ground, back to the minerals. So sad. And our soul and spirit goes to God. Yeah. You know? But our vessel is made of the material from Earth.

So obviously anything made from the material of Earth is good for you. Yeah. You know, why wouldn't it be? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It sounds like you're from California to me. But, no, I mean, but like, but you could be right. But like I don't want to like, I think you're a genius.

And I think it's like, I think it's dope that you're wearing metal clothes. Honestly. And I think that it's like, I think that everyone wants to hate on everything. And like that, you know, I can see how that, like, people's reaction would be like, oh, that's conspiracy. See, whatever. But like, whatever, dude. Like, you know, Robert De Niro can wear metal clothes. I would have said, 25 years ago, you said, someone's going to make a thing that.

goes into your brain called neurolink, I would have been like conspiracy theory. You know that guy. I don't. Musk? But why would- You're boys with Musk, though? I'm not actually. That's something the internet made up.

That's conspiracy theory. Going back to what I was saying about you just being an enigmatic individual, I can see how people want to like weaponize that and it's just to me, after talking to you about art and about how you feel about art, it pisses me off. like truly like uh yeah what matters is like uh is like that you're like creativity uh you you know what matters is that you make art and uh and it and it affects people and it you put it out and i think you do and i think you are a genius well the thing is i'm dumb as fucked i don't know if you do this it's no no no i i didn't say i'm a genius either because you can't say it about yourself

only connie does Kanye does and Kanye did say that I was one. Did it? Yeah, then he said no. He changed his mind. Do you change his number? Huh? Did you change his number?

You down to get a little bit of 5G so I could talk to Kansi? I use technology, that's why I'm wearing this. Like this is cotton. Okay, so get her phone, dude. Let's call Kanya right now. I just want to say what up. I can say I can fix all this. Kanye's not talking to me right now.

Why? Because. Because you, why? Because I don't know, actually. He was like, no. You've been making art in the public eye for like 20 years, right? Yes. Does it feel like things have changed significantly?

Like, does it feel like the way you're treated as an artist and the way people interact with your art is different? Does it make it more difficult? This is what Americans want to know. Like, have they done a successful job at deleting my, you know, history and my abilities or my gift or my talent. I don't know anyone who's doing that. They ask me this question a lot.

They're like, has it worked? People are deleting you like you're R. Kelly? And I don't know if it's like the, you know. You're not R. Kelly. No, of course not. And this is why I'm like, why would it, why would it matter? Like, you ate a French fry. I eat French fries still.

I love potato. Like I said, I want my husband to be like a potato that is versatility. You can fry it, mash it, grill it, roast it. Everything. And I'm like, I'm never going to give up eating potatoes because the New York Times didn't like it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it sucks to be a woman.

Does it change your life? Does it change your life? And it's like, no, you have to look at the machine and be like, that's the machine. But the machine suffers too. Like, they do that to you, but they suffer too. Yeah. And you have to look at that and be like,

they in 10 years time they will be living in the environment that they create and every time they can't fuck off dude my girlfriend is still gonna be mad about that we need a new bed frame and shit the machines are gonna ever stop that from happening and we got a bed frame a year and a half ago

she says it's too squeaky no but you that's insane yeah but you have to think that you have a nice house do I have a nice house yeah it's probably amazing I live in a rented house in America

I didn't ask you if you owned it probably just awesome stuff is inside of it no not at all I live in an empty house oh you're like Steve Jobs style oh what's his style I think like one chair in the middle of a white warehouse yeah I did that for a bit that Kanye

Kanye was into that too let's just call him squash the beef and I'll make it right for him I love him so much that's good he needs love I know and I

he needs love for me but so does a lot of people a lot of people need love yeah do you feel like you need love I thank God found unlimited amount in God oh but that's not a guy

you can chill with watch a movie well it's a different you feel like if you're watching a movie God's watching it with you actually funny enough yes but he's not making jokes about the movie no chilling with your friends and making jokes

about a bad movie, God can't do that. No, that's a different kind of love, though. Friendship love. There's like seven types of love. But the infinite, abundant, you know, forgiving love is from God, you know. And you can say it's in yourself and you find it. But that's loving yourself and allowing God to, you know, exist in that space or whatever. And, you know, and it creates the universe to interact with you in a certain way that you, love is everywhere.

Yeah, but we should just watch a bad movie with Maya. Like what? What do you consider? Windy City Heat. What should we watch? The Room? Have you seen The Room before? Ah, I wanted to see that.

Yeah, we got a show for the Room. I haven't seen it in so long. manager, can we watch the room, please? What? So direct by Tom Omo, so, written by Tom and Miso, written by Tom and Mendo, sorry, Tomo. Okay, here. This reminds me of, like, the bad porn movies, my friend,

used to make it. It's the acting level of porn. I cannot tape this. Why are you doing this to my life? This is like Daniel Johnston. This is outsider art. No, this is somebody who didn't make it to their therapy session. So basically, I'm on the Adam Friedman TV show,

TV show and he's put on a whole bunch of horns. You just need it. I'm not, it's not bored. Honestly, this is on YouTube, you see her nipples. It's pretty cool.