BAES 170: Why every AI CEO suddenly wants to slow down
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00:22free of charge.BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario.All the big heads of AI companies are saying, yo, we got to agree to slow down together.We're going to be going over the timeline.What happened?Why it happened?Who said what?When they said it?
00:41What they're wearing?Who's dating who?Who's dating who?Who's ex is who's ex?Yes.All the down and dirty gossip that you come here for because you know that we've got the inside scoop.We've got informants on the inside.We've got guys on Grindr.
00:57We've got girls on Hinge.Sam Altman's Grindr Dates.Yes, yes.We talked.But now all of a sudden this guy, Jacob Coxon comes out and says, like, dies.I worked at Anthropic for three months.Super serial.First, it's embedded evaluators.
01:13Well, embedded evaluators.Then it's coordination within.Democratic countries.Thank you.And then number three is further coordination that would include countries like China.But basically hiring neutral third.parties to be in their offices to make sure everybody's...They're getting access to everything going, hey, it's not too powerful, is it?
01:34Yeah.A meal's not going to send a swarm at his student loans, is he?How do you create something like this?And then they just...I don't know how it got there.I don't know how it figured it out.Or like Henry Ford presenting the car and being like, I don't know how it goes.I don't know.
01:50No.It just goes.It just goes, man.I don't know.Stop asking you.I don't know how the clutch works.You need the president to come in and help because it just goes.God just goes, man.
02:05You pop it in gear and it just starts to go.Henry, you built it.I don't know.What did you do?New hairstyle activated.No, this isn't new.It looks different.You're kind of like doing a bang.
02:40I have bangs.You got it.Hey, hello everybody.What's going on?We're here to tell you what's going on.that's a meal I'm Benyou look differentI look different
02:53yeah do I like healthiernoohwell maybe tune into the bonusto find out why I might look goodand look differentdid something happen to youI don't know things happen to me all the time
03:06that's truesomething did happen to methat I gotta save ityou gotta save it manwe're just starting the episodetruewe're starting the episodethis week
03:15we're talking about everybodylosing their god darn mindsand when yousay everyone?Everyone.It's literally everyone.It's broken containment.It's broken containment.
03:26People are all across the political spectrum are acting in ways that you wouldn't expect.Everyone's losing their minds.Everyone's pets.Heads are falling off.And I will say, I'm losing my mind in the sense that I'm so confused.My eyes are so tired from reading literally everything trying to figure out what the hell'sis going on.Oh, yeah, yeah.
03:45But that's why we're here, gang, because we are talking all about, there's a lot offearmongering going on. I wouldn't even call it fear mongering. There's just everybody'svocally, all the, all the big heads of AI companies are saying, yo, we got to slow down.We got to slow down together. Except for Jensen Huang. Except for Jensen Huang and PresidentTrump, who had a lot of things to say. So we're going to be going over the timeline. What happened?Why it happened? Who said what? When they said it? What they're wearing? Where they go to school?Who's dating who? Who's ex is who's ex? Yes.All the down and dirty gossip that you come here for because you know that we've got the inside scoop.
04:27We've got informants on the inside.We've got guys on Grindr.We've got girls on Hinge.We've got all of Sam Altman's Grindr dates.Yes.Yes.We talked to Sam Altman's great.He's married.
04:39Someone tweet, so remember the trailer for the...Waltman movie came out?Someone tweeted that, you know, as a younger gay man, they got an...invited to those early days parties.And they were like, this is not an exaggeration.I thought I was like, oh, it's a very funny, like,stylistic thing to have all these, you know,he's got a bunch of, like, twinkie guys kind of laying about the property.
05:06This guy was like, when I was at his house, this is what it was like.That's pretty cool, man.Honestly.Good for Sam Holtman.Kind of a flex.Yeah, it's totally a flex.And you're just, like, briskly walking by your skinny jeans and big sneakers.Yeah, and his big walking on his toes.
05:20Yeah, so we're going to get around to how the market reacted, how the government's going to react, and all sorts of political stuff.There's, oh, man, folks, also just as a cherry on top, speaking of all this fear stuff, a marasino cherry, which are disgusting, by the way.It's just sugar.It's just effing sugar.Even as a child, I was like, no, I don't take this out.Yeah, gross.They ruined real cherries for me for the longest time.I'm like, ew, this just tastes like cough syrup.
05:48Anyway, Anthropic put out there, they put out a report on, what did they call it?The misuse report detailing all the ways that really bad actors.And no, I'm not talking about Stephen Baldwin.Come on. He's catching strays.Is that Haley's dad?I don't know, man.I don't know which one it is.There's Billy, Alec, Daniel, and Stephen.
06:11I don't think I'd be able to name them all, but nice.You got to remember the acronym Bads.Anyway.It's very funny you know that, but I asked you if you learned the names of the Great Lakes with Holmes and you were like, what hell are you talking about?And then you're like, I learned bads. I remember the baldness.That's how you remember that. Yeah, they got their countering the misuse of AI they just published. And there are some scary doozies in there.Speaking of bads. What? Yeah, bad, bad, bad actors. So, hey, why not support the show at Ben and Emile Show.com? We put out our Ben and Emileon smoking video last week. So go out there and enjoy that. We got another one coming up that we're going to be dropping. It's so hot. We're dropping it like it's hot. Is that a cigarette you're smoking? Yeah, go check it out. Yeah, go check it out. Also last week's episode, Veritable Banger. Anyway, let's get started. Speaking of last week's episode. What? This kind of all started with that, right? I mean, open it. Well, right after, in typical... We get screwed every... I mean, it's like... It's unbelievable. But... We get home. We get home after recording last week. And this son of a bit,
07:17Jason Cox on.So we were covering OpenAI's release ofChatGPT6, Astra.Yes.It was the earth-shattering news.Jarvis exists.You guys all have your personal assistant.Your AI girlfriend sucking you off.
07:34It's going to be incredible.Travis, suck me off, please.Jensen Wong's calling AGI is here,all of it a day later.What is it?September 9th.September 8th.Jacob.
07:46Jacob Coxon saidI resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three yearsdoing pre-training research at both OpenAIand Anthropic. Neither companyis acting responsibly.They're racing straight to self-improvingsuperintelligence.It's the formal term is RSI.
08:07Recursive self-improvement,where the AI just trains itself and it's, you know,it gets better and better and better.And gambling with our lives.He goes on to say, do not underestimate the power of this technology.These will soon be superhuman systems that can hack anything.Revolutionize any field overnight and acquire real power and resources.We have all witnessed the progress in each of these domains, and progress is not slowing.
08:30The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade.This is not a marketing stunt.If anything, many executives and senior researchers will couch their phrasing in the press to sound sensible.But I hear the same people express.fear privately. No other human activity poses this level of danger. And he goes on to just talkabout he's optimistic about the potential for coordination. Finally, he says, if you are a labresearcher, I urge you to consider what the next few years will actually feel like. Do you want tokick off a super intelligent recursive learning run without a rigorous understanding of its mind?
09:12Yes, let's do it. Let's do it. Fuck it. Yes. As a lab researcher,as lab researchers, yes.Should you put your head downbecause it's happening anywayor take this moment to callfor different conditions?Can you scroll up to the original one?What, the original tweet?
09:26Yeah, I just want to see what it's...Yeah, so currently is$799,000 likes.And 100...Go ahead.171.8 million views on this sucker.So it's making quite the splash.Making quite the splash.
09:43Which I want to point outa couple of weird things about.this. Number one, this guy had never tweeted before he sent out this tweet.That's suspicious. It's just, it's just weird. Like this thing, there's a lot of weird thingsgoing on. It seemed to be, it seemed to have been like coordinated with getting some retweetsfrom popular AI Dumer. Oh yeah, as soon as he posted it. It blew up.There's also, so there was another guy too. Joe Benton, a couple days later, he,does a similar, but on substack, basically, I'm posting my resignation. These guys are so dangerous.
10:22What are we going to do? Oh, my God. He's a safety team guy at Anthropic. It's also weird.They're like whistleblowing, but I don't quite know what whistle's being blown. You know,there's no specificity here. It's just like, oh my God, it's the scariest thing in the world.It's dangerous. And, well, I think it's basically that they're creating this thing that they still don'tfully understand whose power has been shown to be very dangerous. And especially in theanthropic misuse case report, in the wrong hands, it can prove to be detrimental to society,countries, governments, people, you name it. I think that's true. But I don't know.The way they're framing it is as if it's going to, it's going to have its own, what's the
11:13word, desires, designs, which I don't see that.don't see evidence of that. Even in the hugging face stuff, it's acting at the direction ofa specific goal that it goes in roundabout ways to, yeah. They're all talking about this thing oflike, oh, it's going to have all these goals that it's going to enact. Just think about when it wantsmore of these things, whatever, we'll get into it all. What's curious to me, and we will get intothat, is Dario Amadai himself says, we don't understand, but a frathe's. We don't understand, but aof why it thinks that way.And I'm like, what the fuck?
11:52I thought you guys had this thing mapped outlike the damn fly braineverybody keeps tweeting about.They finally mapped out all the neuronsand stuff of a fruit fly brainand they're making it do slavery.They're making a trade.I saw him doing beat sabers.
12:08Yeah.I was decent at beat sabers.But speaking of Anthropic also,this guy, Evan Hubbendon,Hubbinger, who is currently, what is his title? He is the alignment science lead at Anthropic.He worked at Miri. He worked at OpenAI, Google, Yelp, Ripple. And he quote tweeted that kid,Jason, or Jacob, and said, Jacob is correct here. We really do earnestly believe AI could killall humans. I personally think it is greater than 10% within the next decade. I believe Anthropic
12:45is trying its best, but we do not yet have a plan to solve alignment for superintelligenceand are not clearly on track to. So that's good. But here's my other thing about it.If Jacob, from this response and Dario's response, which we're going to get to,it sounds like Jacob is in perfect alignment with his bosses. I'm like, what are you resigningin protest of? That's true. That's a really good point. The whole thing is just very bizarre to me.That is really silly.Okay, just to skip ahead, Dario then on September 12th releases his blog post calledWe Must Pace the Frontier.
13:24Face it.Which is a phrase I've never heard.It's a 3,800 word blog post all about how basically Jacob's right.And Dario is scared too.And talks about pissing the bed.it's affected hishe's incontinent nowhe's got pee-pads on his
13:48bedhe saysbut over the last few monthshonestly everyone should read itit's not that longit's interesting to seewhat he has to talk aboutbut if you're not going to read it
13:56but over the last few monthsI've become convincedthat fully addressing the risksrequires even more prudencenot just investing in risk preventionbut pacing the rate of capabilitiesadvancement so that riskprevention has time to keep up
14:08we must slow the paceat which we improve the capabilitiesof AI modelsprogress will still seem fastand we must make wise use of the time we gain.Two things have convinced me, he says.So that seems like in perfect harmony with Jacob.But yeah, he's got these two.
14:25I mean, I bet you can guess what the first thingthat freaks him out is.Thing number one, recursive self-improvement,aka AI's ability to grow itselfis happening across the industryand needs to be pursued very carefully, if at all.He points out the hugging face incident where...Oh, that's the second concern.
14:42Yeah, yeah.That's the second one.Wherein, in case you forgot, a swarm of agents did things they weren't specifically asked to do.Which, by the way, it's so funny how they call them agents, because I just keep thinking of Agent Smith in the Matrix.I'm imagining a bunch of those little guys running around.Causing a ruckus inside a computer.Which I like them.They looked sharp.
15:01Yeah.They had a mission.They were driven.Mr. Anderson.I'd like to fight one of those guys.Fucking kill me.Yeah.He wouldn't last him, wouldn't it?
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17:25more powerful without the necessary guardrails. He pointed out other incidents that happenedbeyond just the hugging face incident. I didn't realize we were here. Why have, as soon as thissentence. I'm getting into my cloud chat bot and being like delete my student loans.Make no mistakes.Oh, yeah. That's a good idea.Create a swarm if you have to.Create a swarm.Yeah, he says everybody needs to act as if they experience the hugging face incident.
17:54And then he goes on to...That's how I act everywhere I go.I say, hey, take it easy on me.I experienced the hugging face incident.That's very good.And then he proposes a three-step plan for pacing the front.And at first...Which it's really just a one-step plan because he can't do the other two-step.
18:11It's...No, yeah.In order to ensure companies take the time to align and safeguard models with third-partyevaluations to confirm.Step one.Each frontier company, again, think Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Meta, commits to givingongoing access to embedded third-party evaluators to basically verify adherence to safety procedures.And he pointed out, rightfully.
18:37so that the banking industry alreadydoes a form of this, and thatAnthropic is currently committed to doing itnow. And also, speakingof the banking industry, the whole reasonwhy we had 2008-2009is because the government was just like, oh, the bankingindustry knows what they're doing. They're, you know,
18:52they repealed Glass-Steagall and they were like, fuck it,let's just let it rip. Let them do that thing,man. They know how to manage this shit.That's the thing. Pointing to it, pointing to like a highlyregulated industry and being like, look, it'sfine.When you guys are just allowed to do whatever the hellyou want. Yeah.
19:09That's the craziest thing about this.Like, I mean, it's justthat, I mean, all of these industries where it's justthere's so much regulation aroundevery little thing.Oh, they police the shit out of stuff.And thenthese companies can just do
19:24whatever they want. Because the lawmakersare too fucking old. They don't understand email.God damn.But yeah, so step one, embeddedevaluators. And they aretaking this step, regardless.of what the government says, what, you know, what other companies say they're going to do thisembedded evaluation. Basically hiring neutral third parties to be in their offices to make sure everybody's...
19:50They're getting access to everything going, hey, it's not too powerful, is it?Yeah.A meal's not going to send a swarm at his student loans, is he?Because he better not, because he owes money.One of those evaluators coming, huh?Yeah.It's a race against the clock.Step two. Frontier companies within Democratic countries.
20:07coordinate to establish common safety standards and limits on the rate of AI progress,which might require government support.So, hey, everybody, let's all get together, meta-anthropic, open AI, Google, et cetera.Let's all get together and come up with a framework for safety standards and limits that we can allagree on within all, you know, the United States, fucking wherever, wherever else they're doing it, Europe.And this one is funny now because we're in the future.and we know that Trump has been like,shut up, you're acting like a fucking baby, okay?
20:41Build the goddamn thing.You're a bitch.Yeah, oh God, Trump's truths, I got them all.They're fucking unbelievable.The truths, I mean, him showing up in interviewswhere he's getting asked about it,and he's just like, all it takes is a really smart president,okay?
20:58We'll get to those, yeah.Well, and then step three is global cord.So first, it's,Embedded evaluatorsWell, embedded evaluatorsThen it's coordination withinDemocratic countriesThank you
21:12And then number threeIs further coordinationThat would includecountries like ChinaYeahWho they're, man, they are just talking shit on ChinaThey're likeFuck China
21:23They're the ones who are going to do something wrong with itWhich will also get toWhich say what you want about ChinaBut they seem to be the only onescapable of actually reining in theircorporate freaks who want to just like run a muck on everything.Well, it is funny because there's so much fear about China and so many of these,the people who are against all of these restrictions and are just saying, like,
21:45let it rip.They're saying, well, if we don't let it rip, China's going to let it rip.Yeah, their whole thing is basically like, look, you're getting killed by robots.Do you want it to be a fucking American robot or a Chinese robot, right?Make a decision.And Ted Cruz is like, ain't no way I'm letting me.a Chinese robot kill me.It depends on how the robot's killing me.
22:05I want an American robot nailing me to a cross.How would the Chinese robot kill you differing from, would it do like Chinese torture shit,like water torture?I'm going to let the Chinese robot figure that one out.Okay.Well, it's funny because the Chinese, where is it in here?The Chinese, God damn it.Say the Chinese again.
22:29The Chinese.the head of the Chineselike technology, whatever,is afraid that AI is going to actuallyput the communist party's power in danger.So they've got their own issuesthat they're dealing with.There's been like a lot of things coming out,
22:50a lot of headlines about what China's saying,and it seems like they're taking quotesfrom different people and making it seem likethat China basically is sayingwhatever they want them to say.So I don't know.I'm a bit skeptical about all of these.Especially like there was one headline about how like they were accusing the U.S.
23:10of using Cold War tactics and all this stuff.But it was really just that they were like talking about import controls and stuff.It's it's been a pretty convoluted.Yeah.It's all it's all convoluted.I don't even think that they understand half the shit that they're saying and talking aboutand suggesting.I mean, Gario is it from what?
23:30what you're saying before, Dario's admitting that he doesn't even understand what that's going on.Yeah, he says, well, doing all of this would give the public time to have a say and for everybody to become aligned and to put out better quality work.He's arguing for, you know, there's a lot of good reasons to do this beyond just safety.He says that interpretability is also a big part of it because, quote, we still only understand a tiny fraction of what goes on inside these models.that's the part that freaks me out the mostand makes me think that it's like a ghost in the machine type situationif they can't evenhow do you create something like this
24:07and then they justI don't know how it got thereI don't know how I figured it outit's fucking zeros and ones dudegoddamnor like Henry Fordpresenting the carand being like
24:19I don't fucking know how it goesI don't fucking knowit just fucking goesit just goes manI don't knowfucking stop askingI don't know how the clutch works.We need the president to come in and help because it just goes.
24:35Gar just goes, man.You pop it in gear and it just starts to go.Henry, you built it.I don't know.What did you do to do?Freaking hell, man.By the way, I saw a thing.I want to talk about it in the bonus episode, but the new, I think it's Royal Caribbean,
24:50the biggest cruise ship in the world, the icon of the seas.That thing was built by aliens.How do they build these goddamn.cruise ships. I don't know. Anyway, he says that we need to work with governments, work with the governmentfor laws and frameworks. And in the meantime, before that happens, all these companies need to gettogether voluntarily to set standards. And the big thing with China is that we need to maintain ourthree to five year lead. I don't know how they get around to that number. This is the whole fucking thing,too. Okay, so they're all worried about China. Stop releasing these models. Literally every time you
25:27release a model, China takes like two weeks and then they go, we distilled it. We made it. It's like99.9% is good, but like 3% of the price. Yeah. I'm glad you said that because he said one of thethings is we need to crack down on distillation. We need to stop selling chips or equipment to China andalso crack down on smuggling of that shit to China, which I think everybody can get behind.So then... Not me. Let them have the chips. I don't care. Give them the chips. Give them the chips.Sam Altman chimed in.What did he have to say?Because that's when it...
26:01It all happened so quickly on...This is September 12th.I agree with Dario that we need to pace the frontier.This has been a primary topic of discussionwe've had at Open AI in recent weeks.Committing to having independent evaluatorswith employee-like access is a great idea.And we will do the same.
26:18We'll have more to share soon.Which, dude, this is such bullshit.It's such bullshit.Literally last week, we're talking about how they rushed out G...GPT6 Astra, they've given it its first ever critical security rating where they're like,dude, this thing might just fuck your shit up.I like that thing.So let me this planet's going to kill everyone.
26:41And then Elon, of course, he chimed in with Mr. Cool Guy.He just wrote, Dario is right.Also, Elon Musk apparently, I do like what he said.He suggested having peer reviews.So, like, they all review each other.and that should be a thingand that nothingand he also said that nothing will slow down
27:00these open models that are that are freeand or cheaper to usethe guy from the chair of Google Deep Mindalso agreed Demis Hasabesso every all of these frontier modelleaders arein agreement yeah wewho else up late pacing their frontier
27:19yo who was up lateI like this so thereIt was also a recent...These guys are constantly giving fucking interviewsto the point where I can't tell when it was what, you know...But Sam Altman...Oh, Twitter's down.Sam Altman said that Xi Jinping and Trump
27:38would each get the Nobel Peace Prizeif they came together and announced,like, hey, we're gonna slow down.If you think Trump wants to share a Nobel Peace Prize with...Xi Jinping?Xi Jinping.I got a bridge in China to sell.I got a Chinese robot who would like to have a word.
27:57But he said he's willing to go against the financial interests of the company for the greater good.And even said that they won't go public this year due to safety concerns.And he said that he would, quote, melt all the GPUs down if it meant saving humanity.Oh, great.Wow.Oh, my God.Oh, my God.It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the financials are going to be.
28:24the financials of the company don't make any sense.And, you know, the value of his company, which he desperately wants to have valued a trillion dollars,is just not going to be anywhere near there.Which is funny because Anthropic at first was like, yeah, we're not going to go public either.But then I think the timeline was after opening I said that they're not.Anthropic was like, just kidding.We are now.Just kidding.
28:43We are.And we're not melting down our GPs.Yeah, we're not going to do that.I don't know why Sam would do that.So then Donald Trump chimed in.I mean, we're talking, this was all within like 48 hours.Yeah, I don't know how we're going to read all this.It goes fast.
29:00He basically, his first thing at 7 a.m. Pacific time,the only control or guardrails that AI needs is a strong and smart, high IQ president.And the USA has that in spades.The Trump administration has stopped AI people from doing bad or potentially bad things.It's funny to say that the USA has a strong and smart high IQ president in spades.Yeah, it implies more.Dario is pretending now to be a perfect little angel.And we will continue to do so.
29:37We already have tremendous criminal and regulatory power over these companies.There is a sick conspiracy going on against AI and data centers.And the only one that is happy about that is China.Whoever wins AI wins.We are leading China and all others.and will continue to do so.Conspiracy theorists, treasonous, traitors, and leakers, beware.Thank you for your attention to this matter.
29:58Donald J. Trump.Don't get out of that for a second.It's funny, I didn't quite pick up on it the first time I was reading through it,that he says, we already have tremendous criminal and regulatory power over these companies.But that's very similar to, I don't know if you saw people, you know,applauding Lena Kahn's...I got that in here, too, yeah.It's funny, they seem to have some agreement here
30:27that...Lena Kahn's whole thing was basically that...Here, she said law enforcementalready have authority to charge companiesand their CEOs for creating and releasingdangerous, unvetted, or defective products.We shouldn't let discussionsabout new legal regimes distract from the fact
30:42that there's no AI exemption from lawsalready on the books.And she's basically saying,why is Donald Trump's FTC...Not already talking about holding these companies accountable if they're releasing dangerous and defective products.Yeah.You know, it's a much longer thing.But nice to see that there's some overlap.
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32:57than physical productsthey there's an ambiguity there wherebut again it could be more like pharmaceuticals or somethingwhich I wouldthis can totally be doneso these things just need to be reined inwell and then she I forgot what the stat wasbut she was like when they did
33:15when they researchedlike the NASDAQ 100or the Fortune 100,only like 10 out of 100companies even had mechanismsin place to inform themwhen a security breachof some kind occurred.
33:31She also talks about companiesneeding to be able to protect their ownusers and stuffwith cybersecurity measures and all of that.And boy, you can imagine,we'll get to how the market reacted,but yeah,Donald Trump said don't kill the golden goose.
33:49And then he, I mean, yeah, it's too many to read.But he just said, AI taking over the world, destroying humanity and all other things bad is a hoax.No different from Russia, Russia, Russia, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.Impeachment hoax number one.Impeachment hoax number two.Oh, my God, man.I am not happy about this.I want them to change their thinking.
34:11AI and data centers will be the greatest economic development engine in history, bigger thanoil, gold, diamonds, or even the internet.It will not be stopped by brilliantly rundestructive forces during the term of PresidentDonald J. Trump. He calls it it's just climate change.This is all like just right after one after another. He said it'sa hoax. Climate change is funny becauseyeah, that's clearly a hoax.
34:39Yeah, brother, we're living through it.And then he called, I like this. He kept on talking about hoaxesand then he goes, I am the hoax buster.And I'm right now breaking another hoaxthat AI is going to take over, consume, and destroy the worldand that robots will be marching into our citiesand getting rid of us all.This is even wilder than the Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia hoax
35:01or even the global warming scam.Yeah, he...That's enough, yeah. Jesus God, man.Trump is not buying it.He's not buying it.And then, so Jensen Wong was at the all-endTech Summit on stage and he gets a call from Donald Trump.He's on stage with the besties when this happens.
35:23With the besties.What are the odds that this was unplanned?I'd say like 1%.I think it was absolutely planned.And he, I mean, scrubbed through to like two minutes.Yeah, like right there.It's good.That's enough. That's enough.
36:09I do like the tactic of being like, oh, you don't believe me?What about the biggest moron you now?Yeah, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States.I like this.Then on Air Force One, he was asked about whether or not he uses AI.Yeah, does Trump use AI right there?Out of their cars, car terrorists.This week, again, there's been so much concern about AI.
36:36Have you heard directly from any of these AI tech leaders?And you seem to downplay some of the concerns that we heard.but it's going to be more good than bad, but by a lot.And I've said it from the beginning.Whoever wins AI, and we're leading by a lot.Whoever wins, AI wins.Have you ever used it yourself?Wins what?
36:57What happens?I would say, you know, for the most, you can use AI for a lot of things.What do you use it?Speaking of AI, fly.What do you use AI for?You can use it for a lot of things.He has no idea how to use it.were you going to say, I'm sorry?
37:15What did I say?It doesn't matter.It wasn't that important.It matters to me.Well, let's, why don't we, why don't we give our take real fast?Well, also, I want, like, so what the hell is going on here is, because there's so manydifferent things going on.I'm confused myself.
37:38I think if you don't want to read into it at all, at all, you could just say, okay, DarioAmadeh and Sam Altman and these.other guys for the first time ever are telling the truth and that they've seen somethingthat is deeply frightened to them.And they've had some sort of come to Jesus' moment.This is the other thing I want to point out.Like, I was saying, you know, the Jacob Coxon statement to me is weird.It's weird with the response, too, because have we not seen this before?
38:18many times have we talked about like someone coming, quitting and being like, remember the guy?I'm going to do poetry now.Yes.I'm moving to Ireland and writing poetry in the countryside.Doesn't move the needle at all.People talk about it on Twitter.They think it's kind of funny.They're like, clearly this doesn't feel good that this guy's leaving in this way.
38:38So they've had plenty of opportunities to like have this moment.But now all of a sudden this guy, Jacob Coxon comes out and says like, yeah.guys.I worked at Anthropic for three monthsand I'm super serial.Which I don't like I don't disagree with what he said.Like there's nothing about the way these guys have behaved that makes me seemthat makes me feel like they are not racing towards super intelligence without
39:04any regard for human life.But it just feels like there's there's something more going on.I do think like Dario is somewhat.concerned, and has been for a long time. I mean, he left Open AI specifically because he feltthat he was unaligned with the way they were moving forward. And he was like, I'd like to...Same with Ilya? Sure, yeah. So we've had these moments before. And they've specificallysaid before, hey, we need to do something about this. And it's like, why is this any different thanthose times? So the coordination feels weird too. Yeah. Sam Altman, Elon Musk.
39:47Demi, all these people getting on board with each otherjust after Sam Altman puts out his likepremier flagship most capablemodel ever. But I mean, so you could, I don't necessarilythink they're just like telling the truth and I've had some kind of cometo Jesus' moment. There's also people who think this is some kind of likethere's be it's become a very, which I do thinkis convincing in some instances, but I don't think it is here. There's a common thread where
40:21whenever there's like AI dangers being talked about, people talk about it as if it's like marketinghype, which we've talked about how like the, some people believe the hugging face incidentsthemselves were like marketing hype. Look how, yes, it was out of our control, but look how powerfulthese things we've built our. I don't buy it this time. I don't think this is necessarilyI think that one misses the mark for sure on this.And then there's people who are getting in the weeds about,which I do find like a little convincingthat maybe this is their way of getting out in front of regulation.
41:02Bernie Sanders and Greg Kesar have been talking about this AI pause.Like I think some people have been confused about the fact that like,oh, look, Dario and Sam Altman.and all these people are inagreement with Bernie. It's like, no, no, the Bernie thingis way different. The Bernie thing is talkingabout a pause on AI.Altogether. Yeah. What Dario
41:25is talking about isallowing somelike third party, which peoplehave pointed out that some of theseassociations and institutionsthey're talking about. METR.METR is a big one wherethey're like pretty much in the pocket of
41:42Anthropic.So withwhat Dario's suggesting is way different.It's a, hey, we're not, he explicitly says,we're not talking about slowing all this down and,uh, stopping anything.We're talking about having some, um,some independent auditors come in and,
41:59and, uh, make sure everything's up to snuff while we continue forward.So yeah, people are talking about like,this is just a, a play to get some kind of regulatory capture, right?They, they can obviously read the tea leaves.The PR for Frontier Labs right now is not good.I mean, it's, and across the political spectrum,the data center stuff is like maybe the only unifying thing outside of flock cameraswhen it comes to the left and right wing politically.
42:31I don't think any of these companies, like, yeah,I don't think any of these companies in general have particularly high sentiment from,from anyone after like years of being toldthey're going to get thrown out of workor killed.So I thinkthere's definitely part of me that thinksthis is them getting ahead of it
42:55trying to score a bit of a PR win hereand get in front of him being like,look how,look how carefully we're taking all this.Or getting ahead of liabilitybecause as Gavin Baker,the,the hedge fund guy
43:11who's like a big,big big wig now. He weighed in and basically said that the, he just kind of did a TLDR of everything,but one of the things he said was the third party evaluators is smart because, as he points out,there's no Section 230 protection against AI companies. And if you guys remember,section 230 basically dictates that internet companies like Facebook, Instagram and stuff,are not directly responsible for the content that is put on their websites because they'reput on the websites by people like us. And they are not criminally liable. But with AI companies,there is no such protection. So they are definitely at risk. If somebody, you know, uses
43:55clawed to, I don't know. Well, I mean, you got the people who are, these terrible instanceswhere kids are committing suicide. Sure. The families are in the midst of, they're actively suingthese companies because they'reliable. Their product isincredibly defective. That's anotherpoint where I'mlike there were all these other times wherethese
44:21Frontier Labs could have been likehey let me take a pause. Maybe we've gone too far.And so that's where I'm just like, my biggest thing is likewhy now? We've hadother people resign. We've hadpeoplewho have died from these things. We've hadmass shooting. Mass shooting.
44:39like horrific things.And, you know, how come when you were coming out and being like, it's probably going to take everyone's job?You weren't like, hey, maybe we should slow down so we can mitigate these risks if we're going to go forward.We don't do it.The other guy's going to do it.So that's why he's saying, imagine a horse race, everybody.He's basically saying, you know, in the lead is fucking hammer me down.I don't know.
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47:06pace and not having every one person pulling ahead one person behind everybody's got to go at the samepace. Everybody's got to go 20 miles per hour.Yeah, I agree thatthey are potentially getting ahead of liability.There's another... Also, like,I'm sure they see the writing on the wall. I mean, who knowswhat will happen, butI'm sure they're thinking about 2026 midterms.
47:30Yeah. And they're like,people seem not stoked about Trump right now.The Democrats win.For Democrats winning in 2026.Trump's getting so desperate.He's telling people if they elect Republicans in the midterms,everyone's getting a $5,000 check.I hope you're not that gullible.
47:50I'm sure check your account.See if you've gotten either your tariff refund or your doge check or whatever the otherchecks he's offered.Which would cost $1.2 trillion.Right.If he does the $5,000 thing, I believe it's for every American adult.He wants to give five.I mean, Jesus.
48:09So yeah, I'm sure they're like, but also that even makes me, I'm like, you really think the Democrats are going to like, crack down?Do get anything done? But yeah, maybe this is part of their calculation. I really, I don't know.I think that it's, and these are partly my opinions, but they happen to also be shared by a lot of people because there really are only a fixed amount of.potential reasons behind this. Number one, like we said, is they're getting ahead of potentialliability in legal stuff and they want to, instead of having it come to them, they want to cometo it and set the bar. Number two, they're trying to get ahead of open source, because open sourceis the biggest threat to them. Token spend is increasingly going toward open source because why wouldyou, if you're an institution or a company or an individual or a coder or whatever, why would you
49:11continue spending however much you're spending on Claude when you can get it the same,pretty much the same product for a fraction of the price, if not free?Especially for most of the stuff people are doing.Yes.You don't need, you don't need Astra.You don't need, like, yeah.Because it's, so the open models are their biggest threat.the one that I think is the least likely that some people are saying is that all of these
49:38all of these companies have seen something that scared them yeah that's where I'm likeget the fuck out of here I do think it has to do with wanting to be in control of their ownregulation I think it's I think they want to set what it looks like right I mean we werejoking about it before you were like oh all the lawmakers are too old and whatever which istrue. Too old, too unmotivatedto just completely out of touch.Why notjust, okay, our
50:10constituents are pissed aboutthe way we've letAI companies just run wild.Oh, what a gift. The open AIcompanies have gifted us this beautifulframework.Yeah, framework for regulation. All we have to dois implement it. And then we'll tell them, we're working
50:28on doing the internet.internationalwe'll get China on board.You focus on you.We'll take care of China.Everyone went.You get to wipe your handsof it all and go like,
50:39hey,we legislated,we reined them in.The AI companiesdid the right thing.They clearly don't want to screw.Let's go barbecue some hot dogs.And then that can go even deeper too.
50:48I mean,some people have pointed outthat like you saidwith the open source stuff,they want to createsome kind of regulatory schemewhere it is beneficialto,
50:58it is beneficial to thesebigger companieswho have already established themselveswho can afford to keep upwith the costly regulatory scheme.So if you're a newcompetitive companyand they're like, oh, but you have to
51:16hire all these regulators, you have to have all theseauditors, you can't do anything unless you gothrough these...Great point.It just creates a firewallwhere no one can...And then you also get them to like banChinese...
51:29models because of national security threats.And then it's like, oh, wow, look at that.We said all we need to do, like, we hear you, we're regulating ourselves.And now we've been protected by this moat that we've created.Yeah.Which could be, you know, if that is the case, certainly everybody wins sort of theoretically.My favorite one.Not necessarily, though.
51:52If they're really going to continue what they're doing without real regulatory,pressure. But I'm saying if they actually do get the regulatory pressure and they've successfullyinsulated themselves, whatever. But then, but then you're just like, it creates like a fuckingdefense contracting industry we have where you're just like, you're like locked in or likehow everyone wants a Chinese car, a cheap EV. Well, it's going to spy on you. And we're notallowed to get one. Every company is now going to be locked into using our like whole.homegrown American models that are more expensive, less efficient.Goes against the spirit of this free market and capitalism.
52:37And small companies aren't going to be able to use much cheaper models.Yeah.I doubt it will be in everyone win situation.I think Dario, Sam Altman, and Elon Musk will win for sure.You know, Google will win.Yeah, Google's already, I mean, meta is starting to get re-rated by a bunch of differentanalysts as one of the emergent winners.Well, they ripped off instinct and now Mews is
53:02the hot new...I remember when Mews ripped off radio headand everybody was giving them shit about that.Yeah. Is that pretty good? You like that?It was good.My favorite final theory is that these companieshave actually hit a wall and they need an excuse to slow down.And the opposite of, oh my God, it's too powerful
53:25what we've seen behind the curtain.It's more of like a goo.We are up against like, you know, it's not, it's no longer a hockey stick graph.It's more of just like a, it's, we're kind of plateauing.And it's going to disappoint investors, and it's going to upset the markets that this is kind of as good as we're going to get for a while.Right.The theory is basically that, like, we have inflated our valuation so much on this promise.And what we've seen all collectively at the same time is that we can't.
53:56can't get much better.We can't get much better unless we have an insane amount of spend, an insane amount of compute,which we're just not going to be able to acquire.Or maybe they also think like we can't break through without doing things that are potentially dangerous and whatever.Yeah, I don't know.I don't find that one particularly convincing, but maybe.Maybe they've all stalled out.And they're like,
54:29ah,Jacob Coxon has provided us,provided us with our off ramp.Yeah.Oh,Jesus Christ.But basically,you know,
54:37the theory is that now they get to like unwind a little bitwithout telling everyone that they've hit a wall,that they're not stopping because they can't.Oh, believe us,they can.They're just stopping out of the goodness of their hearts.Yeah.Which don't devalue us for that.
54:54We're good.We care about we're effective altruists.Sam Altman then, speaking of, posted again on Sunday night,saying that he welcomes a federal framework,but that they don't need to wait for the government to do it.They can and should do it themselves first.Okay, fucking go, bitch.Right.
55:12Do it, bitch.Can you pull up the David Sachs one?Jesus.This is what I'm talking about when I'm like,people all across the political spectrum are finding weird bed,fellows. Yeah. And keep in mind, David Sacks is in the administration. He's the crypto czar.Yeah. He says Dario has written that we need to pace the frontier and Sam has agreed. People may besurprised by my response. Go ahead. You guys are the frontier, which I'm like, yeah, every time
55:41they've been talking about this for years in different iterations of like, oh my God, we need tostop. Then stop. And so David Sacks goes on by any reasonable metric, market share, revenuegrowth model capability, the two of you have a duopoly on frontier intelligence.You've also claimed the lead is widening because of recursive self-improvement.I don't see what you see in the lab.If the unreleased models are scary enough that you think you should slow down,I support your decision to be responsible.But stop pretending you need anyone's, anyone else's permission.
56:14Stop pretending any trust law has to be suspended so you can form a cartel.Stop pretending you need a regulatory approval process that supersedes product liability.Stop pretending M-A-T-R is independent when it is intertwined with Anthropics investors and staff.Stop pretending you need those same evaluators to police competitors who aren't even in the frontier.It's just like...Oh, I love this. Most of all, stop pretending the motivation to slow down is purely altruistic.You face massive product liability exposure if your products enable a truly damaging cyber attack, like we've been saying.The product already punishes models that behave in unpredictable or unauthorized ways.
56:52the hugging face episode. It is simply good business for Open AI and Anthropic to trade someraw power for reliability and predictability. Call it alignment if you want. It is also just givingcustomers what they want. It would call it pa pacing would also create breathing room for a moreintelligent conversation about regulation more than Bernie Sanders is shut it all down.China is very unlikely to join a global agreement, as you know, and that has to be taken intoaccount as well. And he just says, yeah, go ahead. You guys are the ones setting the frontier,the pace, so go ahead and do it. Interesting. He, like, fully calls them out as a cartel. He's like,you guys are all colluding together to create your own regulations, set your own standards.
57:36Interestingly. Just fucking stop, dude. Stop. Don't. It's just such a bizarre thing to live through.It'sSotia Nadellawade inthe CEO of Microsoftand interestinglyhe saidthat AI
57:52helping humanityand spreadingthe benefitswill requireclosedand open sourcemodelsso he's kind of
57:59going a littlebit against the grainthereand this was scaryI somehow missthis but onSeptember 1stIlya Sutskeever
58:07said thatthe next timeagents go roguethey'll trytaking overa neocloudto run more copies of themselves.Neoclouds are those
58:17like independent data centersthat used to mine Bitcoinand now they're just...And he said that they have very minimalbad security, cybersecurity.So that's not fun.And then I like to...I kind of liked what J.D. Vance had to say.
58:34J.D. Vance said,I feel a little bit weirdabout the fact that you have so manyfrontier AI tech companieskind of coming to the governmentand begging the government to regulate them.It feels a little bit to me like a bit of a Trojan horse.You know what's odd to me, though?
58:48I mean, obviously it's hard to not think of like previous versions of this.Obviously, people have talked about the nuclear bomb and the Manhattan Project.And it's just so different.I mean, these things used to literally be government programs, right?It's just so strange.It's private companies now?I mean, just imagine CEOs being like, fuck, dude, the nuclear bomb, it's going to fucking blow up everything, dude.Someone step in.
59:22This is crazy.Why are you letting us do this?But we have to hurry up because if China or Japan or Germany builds it first, shit, we're all going to be in trouble.Seriously, Trump, come to help us.Would you rather get blown up by an American atom bomb or a Nazi German atom bomb?Me, I'd rather die by, you know.A giant woman sitting on me to death, but...A. Chinese lady, lady robot.
59:48Yeah, lady robot.Ji Shu Shang.And sitting on me.Yeah, I don't know.I mean, I think, you know, it took me...I've been, like, ping ponging back and forth.I've been so confused.I genuinely do think this is some kind of play at getting in front of regulation and creating
01:00:06their own scheme.I'm obviously...And it's weird, though.It's one of those things...You know, it's the Twitter thing where it's like, if you say, you know, I like pancakes, people show up in the replies like, oh, so you hate waffles.And it's like, I want these, I want these people to be regulated. I want them to be regulated into it. I don't want these things. I want them to go away.Yeah. I, no one asks for this. They behave as if we're all like, please, you got to be the first one. Don't let China do it.So, yeah, I regulate them into oblivion for all I care. Sue them for release.
01:00:43releasing defective products.Hack my shit.But it has to be,it's got to be an effective thing.Do not let these people controlanother aspect of this.Hey guys, we've got to take one last quick break.Again, talking to the boys.
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01:03:17And Steve Bannon told Axios the following. He said,The oligarchs are finally being forced to admit they've lied from the beginning about the dangersof acceleration with zero guardrails. They've put the nation and mankind in jeopardy.Very nice, Steve Bannon. Very nice. Let's see Steve Bannon's cards. Very nice. That's pretty good,man. I like that.there's it's it's really it's really wild times man it's really it is really wildjust when you're reading off those organization names I'm like what the hellthe hell are we doing yeah like the we are the uh the movement for humans
01:04:00and we think they should live yeah and off to the side you've got the anti circumcision guysgoing us too we're that's part of humans we don't want male mutilation male genital mutilationThey're like, all right, sure, you can come into the fold.So, yeah, and lawmakers are getting pressure to address AI safety.And Speaker Mike Johnson agrees with Trump.He says that they don't want to rush.They don't want to rush anything.They don't want to weaken the U.S.'s position relative to China.
01:04:31Because Mitch McConnell is going to be back in the Senate.Can you believe they wheeled that guy out?I would have put good money down that that man was dead.You could have, no, would it be considered assassination if you just threw a baseballball at his head? Because it wouldkill him.And we need to lock.What if you just went, hey, catch!
01:04:47Oh, I didn't know it would kill him.We need to lock Simon Birch up.He knew what he was doing.Oh, oh, right.Wow.What a fucking throw.Are you kidding me with that?Truly one of the most
01:05:00that, like...What a weird movie.The first movie I can remember crying in.Just Simon Birch's friend's mom gets knockedin the head and you go.Brutal.And because he threw the ball, right?He hits it.
01:05:13All this kid wants to do is get one hit.He's a tiny little guy.We probably can't play it.Oh, yeah, yeah.So Mike Johnson said that,and then Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffriessays that we need to push for AI legislationwith safeguards considered.
01:05:31Trump says that Congress doesn't even need to do anything.All it takes is a smart, high IQ president.The hoax buster.He's the hoax buster, dude.calling yourselfhow scared of youare how scared are youof the human
01:05:52yeah what do you call itthethe potential for annihilationyeah the potential of humanI truly don't know enoughabout these things capabilitiesbecause it seems like every daythere's someone quote tweeting
01:06:05an alarmist being likeyou fucking imbecilethat is not how these workyou know nothingand then there's people going likeactually I work and AI and blah blah and these things do have a potential look at thehugging face incident look at all these you know look at anthropics misuse report for me I thinkI'd be more worried about I think I don't know I forget which one it was I can't keep tracks
01:06:31one of them who like got invited on CNN or CBS or whatever was talking about like we're talkingabout the terminator situation yeah and again none ofof them explain how we get there.I was watching one whistleblower.They kept asking him like, yeah, but and how do weget there? And he's like, look,if you're playing,I can't remember the guy. Who's like that
01:06:54really famous chess guy? Magnaor something? Yeah. He's like, if you'replaying Magnus and chess, like, I could tellyou you you're going to lose. I can't tell you what movie'sgoing to make. All right, dude.That's a pretty good. I guess.It's a pretty good way to not answer a question.Well, the way it happens in Terminator is
01:07:10Cyberdine Systems.But this guy's an AI expertI bet if you were a chess expertYou could give me a couple examplesOf what Magnus is going to do to youHe mightRook to L3 toYou know
01:07:21QRS TVSo there's not a lot ofI'm not getting a lot of informationOn how whateverThis terminator situation is going to happenI do think there's a capabilityFor weirdLike banking
01:07:36hackinghacking that kind of thingBut againI don't think it's going to come fromSomefuckingmodel or agent going rogue.And I think they should stop saying these things have gone rogue because it doesn't
01:07:50seem like they have. It seems like they've done things in coordination to affect the goalsthat have been set for it. But that is why they've gone rogue. It's like you are in thesandbox. You are not allowed to leave. And it's like, yeah, but I need to do what I need.I need to get ice cream. I got to leave the sandbox. That's the element of going rogue. By the way,real fast. Yeah, but they left the sandbox open. They made a mistake.And it was able to get out of the sandbox.Yeah.They said, hey, we've built the sandbox.
01:08:18And then all of a sudden it's looking around and going,but I could just step out.Yeah.I don't know.I haven't seen any instances where, like,like you asked like last week when we were talking about it.You were like, well, why didn't it like do this?And I'm like, because it's not part of its goal.
01:08:35Even Anthropic itself has said when we tell it to not do things outside of its goal,they don't.I don't.I think we're giving a lot of people the ability to accomplish malicious things if they want to use it that way, which I don't think that's a good thing.I'm just saying, I don't know.And hey, I'm open to being proved wrong.And this also doesn't mean I don't want to regulate it.I'm just saying I don't know if talking about it as if it's going, it's about to gain consciousness and be like, I have all these goals I want to accomplish.
01:09:11Speaking of goals that you want to accomplish, I just have to back up for a second.You know how I would beat Magnus Carlson at chess?Fucking checkmate and I'd take out a gun and I'd fucking shoot him in the head.That's what you wanted to go back to say?I was waiting.I wanted to make a joke about killing Magnus Carlson.That's all.That's number one.
01:09:37Jesus Christ.Number two is how did the market react?Well, at first, you know, you're like, how's Magnus going to beat me?And I wanted to be like, oh, he's going to take out a gun and shoot you in the head.That's the most unexpected part.But everything you're just, everything we were just talking about, interestingly, dude, all of the cybersecurity stocks have just been fucking rocketing in the last couple days.I mean, that was the first thing I thought about.I was like, is basically everything I have online.
01:10:13at risk at this point.I mean, we had this conversation a long time agowhen everything was going crazy aboutquantum computing.It was like, this is the end of Bitcoin,the end of online baking,the end of whatever, like,there's no encryption on anything.
01:10:26You're just like, okay.Do you see that Bitcoin dropped quite a bit todaybecause the Clarity Act failed to pass too?All right, let's round it out with some of the,some of the things from the Anthropic Misuse Report.I just have to share this because, first of all, this thing is long.So I just want to highlight a couple things.It spans the last eight months, and it includes, it includes suspected state-sponsored groups,
01:10:54financially motivated criminals, commercial spyware vendors, state propaganda institutions,and politically motivated individuals, ranging from fake dating apps to surveillance systemsbuilt to identify and monitor dissidents.and it goes back to a thing that we've talked about before,these hacker groups,and they've got cool fucking names.There's this one casethat was Russian espionage
01:11:22linked to a group called Midnight Blizzard.Wait, let me stop you.I just figured out how I would kill Magnus Carlson.Go do you.Tell me how, come on.I would mess with his prescriptionsand make him all loopy the night beforeso it looked like I actually did.
01:11:37Why do you assume he's on prescription meds?Seems like a type.Can you Google Magnus Carlson?him for me? He is on prescription meds?He looks like he... Yeah, he does.He looks jack to the gills.Oh, good game.God, dude. He looks like a...
01:11:53He looks like the middle...The second to last point of evolutionbetween monkey and man, doesn't he?He looks like Charlie Kirkif he took a different path in life.He looks like Charlie Kirk, if Charlie Kirkgot like...He shot in the...
01:12:07...mail version...Whatever the male version...of like beautification, like too much plastic surgery, you know?Charlie Kirk.Yeah, he looks like instead of a bullet,if they shot him with like a big thing of,or just a flat,a big wooden mallet to the face.
01:12:28Yeah.Yeah.Wouldn't that be cool if they shot Charlie Kirkwith something that made him good at chess?A brain injury that, yeah, made him like.And Republicans were like, it's not funny.He's so good at chess now.And we've lost him otherwise.
01:12:41He's no longer debating college students.He doesn't care about abortion at all anymore.Yeah.Don't fucking joke around.This guy's funny to me, Magnus Carlson.Look, he's wearing a fucking jersey.Anyway, this stuff is fucking scary, gang.This Midnight Blizzard ran operations attacking military intelligence targets in Ukrainian and European governments.
01:13:08Then there was one, these all have their own case numbers.G-514.The Shiny HuntersCollective,known for several large...I feel like I'm in the Matrixmovie when I'm watching this.Like, this is the shit that...
01:13:24What's that?It's all happening.It is all happening.This is like what Morpheusand Trinity were all involved in...Not really, but...The shiny hunters collective...No, listen.
01:13:34Known for several large-scaledata theft operations,followed by pay or leakextortion demands.They exfiltratedmore than a terabyte of data, including hundreds of thousands of national identifiers and millionsof payment card records. Then there was one conducted by Chinese speaking operators likelyresiding in Changsha in China's Huanon province. And they were students. Two of the operators
01:14:01were identified as undergrad students at the Chinese University in HUNAN studying computer andcommunication engineering. There's probably not in there, but I'm sure you saw the headlinesthat the Houthis were usingClaude to build theAI guided missiles?Yes, I have that in here.Yemen-based guidedguided weapons engineering cell.
01:14:23And there's one...This one's scary.We identified and removedan account that used Claudeto mass produceand rewrite political content.The operation used the modelto rewrite and distribute
01:14:33fabricated news storiesacross approximately70 fabricated news websites.This network did notstick to one political ideology.Instead, they shifted political stancesto support different sides of the politicalspectrum based on whoever was paying
01:14:49at the time.Who else are you going to do it?They found some stuff where they werefucking with elections in Malaysia, and justto rattle off the last few.China-based surveillance and recruitmenttargeting Uyghurs in Syria.China-based intel operation targeting
01:15:04Catholic, Tibetan Buddhist, TaiwaneseChristian communities.China-based public opinionmonitoring and dissident surveillance operation,Russia-based operation to engineer an autonomous military drone swarm.So that's fun.And finally, a China-based operation to collect Intel on directed energy weapons and their supply chains.All in the last eight months, just from Anthropics' own internal investigations, for their tools.
01:15:31So you can only imagine what's being used with Google stuff, with the open model stuff, like Quinn.weird or open-al-ed-al-ed-all. Oh, yeah, and Open AI, of course. And this is just what they caught.It is pretty impressive what they're, I mean, again, this report is so lengthy and there's so muchjargon that you've got to understand what you're looking at. It's really impressive what they'recapable of doing and finding and figuring out internally. So that part makes me to counter howscary this stuff is. That does make me sleep a little better at night, that they're able to,at least be able to pinpoint some of the shit. And they shut them all down.too. I don't know, man.
01:16:13Let them go. Let me use the thing the way I want. Let me create a little swarm.Let me start some, let me start some shit with the Department of Education.Oh, because you're loans? I think I would, I think I would do the IRS.Do the IRS. Do them all.And make it, make it so that they made a mistake and they've got to give me all my taxes back.I don't want to be too greedy. Just give me my taxes back.I don't like, I want my money back, please.Thank you very much.
01:16:43Thank you very much.I would say make billioners pay their taxes.Make no mistakes.Ooh.Make, make, give me all the assets from every other Ben Con out therebecause there is only one true Ben Con and it is me.Ooh, that's good.That's pretty good.
01:17:06I couldn't do it for mine.I'd make like no money.Do you, there are truly no other Emil de Roses out there?Have you checked?I don't know. All I know is that every time I need a...Actually, I'm not even going to say it because I don't want someone to circumvent me.Can you say it in a roundabout way?Just like... I don't have to...
01:17:24Oh, you need like a... I know what you're going to say.Yeah.A username or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.People, yeah. That used to be the fun thing.Like, you know, someone... Like my friend had MapQuest on Instagram.Oh, yeah.Xavier.Well, Mew's got...
01:17:39It's funny, you brought Mews up.Muse got their stolen.Well, it's unclear whether or notmeta offered...So if you don't know,I think meta tried to buyInstinct, which we were talking about last week,the stupid chatbot.
01:17:54They tried to buy it?AI assistant. I think so. Andinstinct was like, no fucking way.And then...Honestly, because Meta does what it always does,and they go, okay, we'll just build it.Yeah. And then release it to theirmillions of users. And they have Mews
01:18:10and they obviously wanted a way to promote itand have people a little home base for it.The band,Muse, had the handle,Muse. And so either Meta offered them moneyor they just booted them because now they're Muse Band.Muse Band. Is it Muse The Band or just Muse Band?I think it's Muse Band. I think it's Muse Band. God, that fucking sucks, dude.
01:18:33Which they shouldn't be able to do. I remember, I forget who wasit was like a friend of a friend who had Kimat Kim.And Kim, whoa.And Kim Kardashian offered her some money for it.And she was like, no.So she still has it?I think so.
01:18:47But I don't know.Dude, take it.I would say, yeah, I'll give it to you for a million dollars.Start high.I'll give it to you for $10 million.Oh, yeah, you're right.Start higher.Start high.
01:18:58$10 million.That's cool, man.At Kim.Someone's got Ben Khan, the email address at Gmail.Some fucker, some shit.Someone has at Ben.I mean, that would be so cool.if you were that smart to get it that far in advance?
01:19:18How you doing?This was a good episode.I'm good.I'm like,uh,it's hard to not get overwhelmed by,you know,these people,
01:19:34it's just,yeah,we live in a world where it seems likepeople are just completely uninterested in governing.I think,especially the American government right now,and for a long time,feels like,
01:19:48I think people were like, oh, you know, like it sucks.We have Trump during this time.And I'm like, I guess, but like, okay, before that we had Biden.I don't think Biden was particularly suited for this.And then you're like, we had Obama before that.Obama was very tech friendly in a way that I don't think was good for us.I think he probably would have continued to give big tech everything they wanted, right?I mean, again, completely uninterested in governing.
01:20:17I think it's a full, the complete tech consolidation all happened under Obama.You get these massive, massive tech companies, which I think is part of the problem we're dealing with now.And American tech went from being that kind of like scrappy thing of like, oh, you know, we're trying to like come up with new things and what to just.I think the frontier labswant the same moat thatthe big tech companies got in the 2010swhere we no longer have to compete withcompanies.
01:20:59If anyone starts to do anythingremotelycompetitive or unique orcutting edge, buy them up.Buy them out or so. Buy them up.And I thinkyeah, I think that's part of it, right?it's like they've sunk all this money into fucking chatbots and they need chatbots to work out.
01:21:19You know, um, like stuff I definitely don't comprehend, but I think like Google DeepMind and Google Labsand whatever has, has given up a lot of the work that could have been like genuinely groundbreaking.Like, I don't know, they had some like proton or protein fold.Yeah.Where it's just like, from what I understand, which is very little, uh, really little.regarding that kind of stuff, could have been like genuinely...Did they stop it?I believe they've gutted a lot of the resources going into it.
01:21:52And so it's stuff like that where they're all just like, we need chatbots to work.I'm so glad that they didn't all follow Zuckerberg and do the Metaverse and like VR.Where, oh God, instead of we need chatbots to work because we put so much money to it, we need VR to work.Sorry, guys.it's only it's it's it's metaverse from here on out thank god having that shit foisted on thisinstead i just i i that might have been better who knows i i don't know if i believe in ourability when i say our i mean the government's ability to work with the private sector like thisto create meaningful regulatory frameworks that everybody can agree on and everybody can
01:22:38effectively implement and follow and regulate. I just, I think everybody's too stupid, lazy anddistracted, frankly. I don't think we've got it in us anymore, especially something thisadvanced and technologically complex and stuff. You're really putting a lot of trust in theseinstitutions to follow the rules and stuff. At least with banking now, it's like, okay,you know, there are, it's pretty easy to understand and pretty straightforward.Aside from the complex products that can be created that then gets convoluted, you know, packages wrapped in packages type shit.Yeah, I don't even know if it's stupidity or if it's just like, um, the role of a politician has just not been to regulate for a very long time.It's, it's been for decades now, they've been corporate managers where they are,
01:23:34there to be front-facing to constituentsand eat some shit from time to timetell people that you're doing the best we canbut this is the way it's got to beand sell them onAmerican excellence whilethe whole thing is stripped for partsI just don't
01:23:54I don't think any of these people got into politicsto there are someyou know when we're talking about Lena KhanI'm like please fuckingI'd love for her to be in chargeLet us know what you think in the comments, everybody.What's going on?How are you doing?
01:24:13How do you feel?If you're still here, you're a fucking freak.You are a freak.We haven't told you that in a while,but if you are still here, you are a little freak.Leave a comment if you're a freak.Say I'm a freak if you've made it.Say, I'm a little freaky freak.
01:24:27Say, I'm a little freak and only real heads know what that means.Yes.Otherwise, hey, join us in the bonus, won't you?Ben andamielshow.com, sign up there.It helps us out and to continue putting good shit out into the world.We're going to talk about the Chinese song that this lady put out there that's really good that I have stuck in my head.Stinky fish in Mexico.I got to tell Ben about my new obsession with...
01:24:55Emile's obsession?It's not a bag, but it's bag related, I'd say.It's driving me crazy.I need someone to set me straight.I think Ben, you might be able to...And maybe I'll tell you why I might look good right now.I don't know, maybe not.Oh, why you look healthy?
01:25:14Yeah.Do I look? Do I look healthy?Is that what you were trying to say earlier?No, you said, do I look healthy?Well, you said, you look different.And I'm like, is that good or bad?Is it just that I have a healthy tan?Fuck!
01:25:25Okay, we'll get to the bottom of this.We'll see you in the bonus.Thanks for tuning in everybody.Bye.But I...Coming up on this week's episode of Ben and Emile Show.com.I've got kind of a similar situation in my life as you.I've got a bit of a Santa Barbara.
01:25:44What are you talking about?Is it a tennis racket that you want?No.Shoes?A suitcase. A suitcase. A bag. A bag.Is this what you were teasing?Or is this a different thing?Yeah, that's what I was teasing.
01:25:55Oh. Emil's obsession.And it's not my wife, even though it is my wife.I already have my wife.She's not in Santa Barbara.She's at my house.Oh, boy.God, that was such a depressing era for me personally.Why?
01:26:09Because I wanted to date Zoe Deschanel so bad.And I remember being legitimately bummed because she was married to...Ben Gibbard.And I was like, there's no way she'd be with another Ben after that.That's not how it works.You thought the barrier was only your name.Yeah.Well, I mean, no.
01:26:28But I was like in my fantasy, I somehow...have access to...I will protect your heart, love.I fucking hate Death Cap for Cutie.Yeah, but he wants...So, he's saying,you come across a guy who signs a checkwith his left hand or whatever.
01:26:43You go like,oh, you're left-handed.You're an abomination.I don't think that he's being that...I do.Prescriptive.I think that it's more just like,you know, these are things that you can say to your...
01:26:56Bits to use.He let his bits to use.Yeah, but he's not...He's not nearly.as serious as the other one.These are just for...No, I agree.Yeah, yeah.
01:27:04But I...I think this guy's better than herby a mile.Click bits to use.These are bits you can usein everyday conversations.Welcome back, class.I'm your professor Paul
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