Doctor Billions | 4. Egomaniac Airlines
00:00Detectives arrive at Juliana Redding's house in Santa Monica, California.There was no pulse.We knew that it wasn't an accident.An alleged murder for hire.Fraud to the tune of $150 million.I need to see the doctor and I need to see the doctor right freaking now.Do what he says or else.From Sony Music Entertainment and Western Sound, this is Doctor's Orders.
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00:47Just head to The Binge channel on Apple Podcastsand tap subscribe,or visit getthebinge.com to listen wherever you are.The Binge, feed your true crime obsession.A once prominent, later disgraced neurosurgeon now finds himself accused of taking kickbacks to implant fake parts in patients.One evening in 2015, a woman named Tammy Gore was sitting at home with her husband Bob watching the news when a name caught her ear.Coley White is one of more than a dozen doctors across the country accused of using parts made in a tool shop on their patients.The name Cully White was an important one for her and Bob.
01:40When Bob and Tammy met, they were both seniors.They had both lost their spouses,and neither one was looking for love necessarily.Oh, he was actually looking for somebody to go out to dinner with.They met online on one of those dating sites.He looked like Santa Claus, and he used a cane,and I thought, oh, he took care of his wife for 20-some years.And I just thought if anybody's like that,
02:05He must be a really good person.And he really was.Bob was probably the kindest guy you ever could meet.Like I said, they weren't necessarily looking for love,but they also weren't not looking for it.They met in May, and by July, he proposed.And we were married in December.And it was wonderful.
02:28He didn't wait.Bob and Tammy had both been through a lot.and Bob had severe mobility issues due to a terrible back injury on the job.The pain was awful.And from that point on, then he had to have surgery.But the surgery didn't help.It just seemed to make everything worse.Bob's pain never went away.
02:54He was on disability for the rest of his life.Sometimes it was so bad he couldn't even lie down at night.Well, he would sleep in the chair at night.And so we never hardly even slept together, except like in the mornings, he would somehow be able to go and sleep.They wanted to travel and have new experiences, but Bob's pain was too much.We could never travel on a plane because it would have never been enjoyable for him as a trip or anything.But they made the best of it.He loved to get in the car, and we lived close to Michigan, about.
03:3440 minutes, so we'd ride the ridge up along Lake Superior and stuff all the time, and then on theway home, we'd stop at a supper club or whatever. That was his favorite. Or fishing. We did takelawn chairs and just sit on the side of a lake and just sit and fish. It was hard for him even to geton a pontoon boat. I had to go without him. He missed out on a lot. Tammy adored Bob. And we lovedbeing together. We were together like 24-7, so, and people thought, oh, that's crazy.But we really enjoyed each other's company and missed him terribly.And on one of those typical days, sitting together on the couch watching TV.We were watching Channel 12.
04:17They saw that news report.Twelve News obtained court records that claim spinal solutions would pay defendant Cully White unlawful kickbacks to surgically implant the counterfeit spinal hardware.I said to Bob, what's the name of your doctor?and he said Cully White.The lawsuit claims each hospital turned a blind eyeand permitted counterfeit non-FDA-approved hardwareinto its surgical facilities,which was then implanted into unwitting patients.
04:45Tammy says Bob turned white as a sheet.His doctor was now under investigation.I'm Benadair.From Sony Music Entertainment and Western Sound,you're listening to Doctor Billions.This is episode four,Egot Maniac Airlines.When Michael Drobot, owner of Pacific Hospital, was setting up his billion-dollar fraud machine,
05:32he became aware of a particular California law that must have made him raise his eyebrows.It was called the spinal pass-through law.We talked about how new spinal tech came online in the late 90s,and suddenly back surgeries were helping many more people than before.But the hardware used in these surgeries, the rods, screws, and bone cages,That's what they're called bone cages.It was expensive.Just a handful of manufacturers could make this high-precision,
06:00surgical-grade spinal hardware that was honestly like a miracle for some people.So in 2001, a California assemblyman named Tom Calderon wrote a billthat allowed hospitals to get reimbursed for the full cost of that hardware,plus a small premium, on top of everything else they were already billing.Hmm.So what's the first thing?forward-thinking entrepreneur with big dreams going to do? If you're Michael Drobot, you start a newcompany called International Implants. Drobot then paid doctors an extra kickback if they used
06:35international implants hardware. And since Drobot knew the person at International Implants who waswriting the invoices, and he knew the person at Pacific Hospital approving the invoices,international implants could charge whatever it wanted for the gear,because whatever was on the invoices got reimbursed by law.Michael Drobot was not the only person to figure this out.Hello, my name is Robert Pereira,and I used to be a representative for spinal solutions,and I'm very happy to be here today.
07:15Back in 2009, Robert Pereira had two jobs.During the week, he was a product rep for a pharmaceutical company, selling meds to doctors' offices and urgent cares.He says, this first company he worked for, they were one of the good guys.It was just a great company, very ethical, very well ran, and we were growing.He had no idea.He was about to join a company that was so very, very different.Robert's side hustle and true passion was flying.He was a licensed helicopter pilot, and he was working towards his airplane license.
07:51So on the weekends, he worked at a small, local airport, mostly as a fuel guy.That's what he called it, a fuel guy.I was doing pharmacy Monday through Friday, and then on the weekends, I was working there as a fuel guy.The airport is called French Valley Airport.It's out in Murrietta, California, which is in the desert southeast of Palm Springs.Just a single runway and a bunch of private hangers.On a very hot Thursday, I met him there.Yeah, we're at French Valley Airport, also known as Fox Trot 70.
08:20It's not towered, so it's a small airport.It's in class G&E airspace.It just means there's no tower and it's not real busy.So every weekend, Robert's out here meeting the people flying inand the people who called this airport their home base.When most people think about private planes, they're thinking, you know, opulent wealth.They're thinking like 100 millionaires, billionaires.Is that true, or are there other types of people who have planes too?
08:45Yeah, there are those guys here.But most of these guys are small business owners that have just worked their butts off,maybe learn to fly when they were young, and then they see their aircraft as a tool.I mean, you already know how horrible traffic is in Southern California.So if you want to get somewhere fast and you know how to fly and you have an aircraft,well, here to almost anywhere in Southern California is less than an hour.So you jump in your plane, you're ahead of your competition because the tools you have.Hmm, okay.
09:16In addition to the hangars and the very small terminal building,there are several office buildings on the airport grounds,and about 15 years ago,located on the bottom floor of one of those buildingswas a medical hardware distributor called Spinal Solutions.Spinal Solutions didn't just do spine.They had at least one subsidiarythat sold me and hip hardware to.
09:37To Robert, they appeared to be very successful.Just around the corner from the office,the company had a big hangar.And inside that hanger was not one, not two, three different airplanes.I think the most they ever put in there was two aircraft, but when I was there, theyowned three aircraft.They owned a DeSalt Falcon 10.They had a conquest 441, and then they had a Cirrus SR 22.
10:04Robert would see the airplanes coming and going.Sometimes he'd fuel him up.And eventually he met the owner, a guy named Roger Williams.For the record, Roger Williams was never charged with or found guilty of any crimes.We reached out to him multiple times but never heard back.Everything you're going to hear about him and his business has been reported from multiple sources,including interviews, depositions, court testimony, and investigative reports.So Robert and Roger strike up a conversation.
10:35Roger told him he wanted to add to his fleet.He had mentioned, hey, I want to buy a helicopter and I'm looking for a pilot.And I said, I'm your guy.And he said, well, let's go to dinner.I said, tell me when.Turns out, Roger Williams was a huge Los Angeles Lakers fan, the basketball team.His interests were to fly from La Cresta where they lived.La Cresta is about halfway in between L.A. and San Diego.
11:01And he wanted to fly from La Cresta to the Ritz Carlton.That's the downtown L.A. Ritz Carlton Hotel, a 54-story high rise.He wanted to land on top of the Ritz Carlton.take the elevator downand then walk straight across the streetto go to the Staples Center to watchbasketball games. And I'm like,great, no problem.
11:22Williams basically gave Robert a jobright then in the air. Find hima helicopter and then fly him to the games.So Robert does his researchand then presents his new boss with somequotes. So I was doing the due diligencefor him and giving him the optionsand showing him, hey, if that's what you want to do,
11:39you're going to need this type of aircraft.and it's this much money.And yeah, you got real upset.And I was like, that should have been the first red flag.I was dealing with the maniac.When you say he got real upset, what did that look like?He just throws temper tantrums.I'm like, Roger, I don't set the prices.
11:55This is the aircraft.You need to do what you want to do.And this is how much they cost.Williams nixed the helicopter.But he was still under Robert.He liked his connections in the medical field.He says, well, I still am interested in your pharmacy contacts.We'll still bring you on board.
12:13He knew my medical knowledge, my anatomy, pharmacology.He knew I could do the job.So I'm like, great, you know, it's extra money.I mean, not the gig he was hoping for,but, you know, this guy in his company was successfulwith a capital success, three planes.So probably more opportunities will just pop up from being in his orbit.Yeah, I had two boys in a beautiful blonde,
12:37so things are expensive, and I'm just always looking to do more.Plus, I just had a calling.If there was an opportunity that I could entertain to better my family, I was going to take it.Robert started dialing back his work for the other company and moved more and more of his work over to spinal solutions.He became a product rep, taking the surgical implants to the doctors and hospitals who'd use them.So he started studying all the procedures and what happens in the operating rooms.He wanted to be as helpful as he could.I get all the instruments set out in a sequential manner.
13:11I helped them be efficient and help the case go along in a timely manner.So when they're reaching for something, it's right there every time they grab it.The doctors are getting paid by the surgery, obviously.Robert is too.In the beginning, it was wonderful.It was great.I was making extra money.I was probably making an extra $6, 700 bucks a week.
13:31Getting out of debt, you know, family's happy.And I wasn't working too many crazy hours, but, you know, that would come later.It also felt good.He was helping people.He could see a difference.You saw people with crippling knee and hip pain.You know, they were doing great.And they had a whole new lease on life, if you will.
13:54But you knew there was a butt coming.The more he got to know the surgeries, the more he realized, as many in this series have,the real money was in spines.Yeah, yeah, I started transitioning to spine.And I would stay either behind after hours,the office and I would just familiarize myself with the techniques and theinstrumentation as well as the implants. I remember looking at some of thescrews and just feeling the difference between you know different manufacturers
14:26different product lines and also different techniques, different approaches,you know, trying to be a well-rounded rep. And the money was jaw-dropping. I knowbecause I saw the invoices they were paying $150 to buy these screwsAnd they were charging $6,000 once the screw was in the patient.That's quite a markup.That's an amazing markup.And that was very common.I would see the invoice.
14:53This is what they're paying.This is what they're getting.Which started explaining a few things Robert had noticed around the office.Like three airplanes, gassed and ready to go at a moment's notice.And the doctors, spinal solutions clients, getting rides all over the country, sometimes out of the country.He was running a mini airline.And the crazy things he says he saw happening on those airplanes.A lot of those doctors had girls everywhere.
15:20It was horrible.And Roger would just shuttle them to these girls.So yeah, he was running a mini airline with prostitutes.I don't want to go into liable slander,but crazy amounts of hookers,crazy amounts of sick shit that these guys were doing on the plane.And that was just the start of it.In 2002, Ryan Wedding was an Olympic snowboarder at the top of his game.
15:47Ryan's style is really gunned and gold.And in less than a minute, it slipped away.But he continued to chase the high.Ryan James Wedding, he controls one of the most violent drug trafficking organizations in this world.I'm Michelle Shepard and from CBC Podcasts and the Toronto Star, The Most Wanted Olympian.Available now.Roger Williams, Robert Pereira's boss at Spinal Solutions, is an elusive guy.Even more elusive than Michael Drobot.
16:23There's hardly anything about him online.Robert Pereira, who worked for him for years, could share only limited things about his personality.He had a lot of money, and he had a bad temper.Here's Robert.Like it was absolute bipolar Jekyll and Hyde.Call you and fire you over something stupid or small, but then text you right.away and say, can you work tomorrow?You're fired, buck you,
16:48and then a couple hours later, you get a text,hey, can you please cover this case tomorrow?That was common.That was actually common.Fired on Friday, please come to work on Monday.It was very common at this place.And Roger Williams, like we said, loved the Lakers.That's all everyone ever talked about
17:05is Roger's courtside at the Laker game.Big deal.Who cares?But for him, that was important.Williams never responded to our email.So here's a thought.You know how people say if you really want to know a city secrets,talk to the taxi drivers?
17:21I figure if we really want to understand Roger Williamsand Spinal Solutions,we should talk to his pilots.My name's Chris Warner, and I'm a pilot.I'm a corporate pilot.Pilot number one.During this time period,I was exclusively a contract pilot
17:38where people would call and have me come out and fly their planes.One day, late summer, 2007, Chris was minding his business in Texas when he got a call from a guy in California who just bought what Chris thinks is a very special airplane, a Falcon 10.It was a very, very good performer, very solid built, strong airplane.I mean, it's like a fighter jet.It's built by the French and uses a lot of the same parts as their fighter jets use.Oh, wow.And it's very fast.And you could put an air show on with this aircraft.
18:13It was unbelievable.Falcon 10 is relatively inexpensive to buy, but very expensive to operate.It burned about the same amount of gas as planes twice the size.Parts were expensive.So that's why you could buy them real cheap.Cheap is maybe a relative word.In 2007, they would go for about a half million bucks roundabouts.When they first approached you for the job, what did you think you were?
18:40were getting into. What do you think the job was? What did you think the company was?Yeah, I mean, they did the surgeries and they were expanding and they were going to get all thesetry to go nationwide. They were just there in California and they were going to get doctors.So maybe like take doctors to conferences, maybe fly them to nice dinners, you know, entice themto work with the company.I've flown with business people. That makes sense, you know. Go and market your product andentertain your clients, you know, so they'll use your product. That sounds.like a normal thing.
19:12But almost right away, something seemed different about this job.So we fly out the next day, and I meet Roger, and he's super nice.He's excited.He's seeing his plane for the first time, and he gets on, and we fly him back to Cabo.And he's just pleasant as can be.The first big trip.Roger, plus a bunch of folks from Wisconsin that Chris had picked up,he's pretty sure they're all doctors?
19:41Fly him down to Cabo San Lucas for a fishing weekend.We go to this house up on the hill, and it's this beautiful house, white house overlooking the town.And it kind of, as I was describing to my wife, I'm like, it's like I'm in Greece, you know, this house up over, white and this big house.But they didn't go fishing.After a big dinner, they all started going club to club.And there's some adult clubs there.Chris was all, hey man, I'm just the pilot.Yeah, well, I'm just standing in the background.
20:13I don't do that kind of stuff.But it's back at the house that things got really weird.Chris had gone to bed, but then woke up laterbecause there were doctors, there were sex workers,there were...I didn't even...There was some things I'd never heard of,like some pretty grotesque, perverted stuff.
20:34It's like you woke up in the middle of a porno.You know, and I'm about kind of gagging like, oh my gosh, that's, oh.Eventually, everyone went off into separate bedrooms.And I'm like, oh my gosh, what have I gotten into?And I don't remember that was the end of that night, you know, and I'm like, I go to sleep.And so then the next day they kind of do it again.The morning of the last day, everyone did climb onto a fishing boat,just long enough to take some pictures.
21:08Then they flew out.So to describe this trip was like a bunch of 20-year-old fraternity boys going on spring break.Yeah, I lost a little bit of respect for those guys.That was the first trip of many.So this is my first experience in my life dealing with people from California, okay?So I'm like, wow, this is quite an experience.These trips are not just guys having what they think is a good time.For doctors, these trips are gifts with a quid pro quo attached.
21:45As soon as it's a quid pro quo, as soon as it's this for that, and patients are involved, it becomes a kickback.Chris was not Spinal Solutions main pilot. He only flew the falcon. The main pilot was another guy. Everybody called him Pilot Bob.Pilot Bob. Great guy. Great pilot as well.Here's Robert Pereira again, who gets a real gleam in his eye when he's talking about Pilot Bob.You won't find a better pilot and a funnier guy.I mean, he plays an amazing fiddle.He's got hundreds and hundreds of poems memorized.He's got this brain, this incredible brain.
22:23He's just so brilliant.We reached out to Pilot Bob in multiple ways, but we never heard back.Pilot Bob was a certified flight instructor, so he kind of took Robert under his wing, so to speak.Robert took a ton of flights with him while working towards his own pilot license.I know Pilot Bob very well.I consider him a friend, and yeah, I know all these stories, and I know that they're true because he's an honest guy.The stories are bananas.Yeah, I'm a family guy and I got two kids.
22:54I knew to stay away.I didn't go on any of those flights.I just knew never go down to Mexico.I knew not to go.Outside of being a little quirky, Pilot Bob was very meticulous.We obtained his pilot records where he recorded the flights he took, who was on them,which plane, where they went, etc. From 2006 to 2011, pilot Bob flew around 5,000 hours,which is a lot for a contract pilot. He flew about a dozen doctors, many of them spinal surgeons,
23:23to places like Las Vegas, Palm Springs, and Mexico. One name stood out. Shout out to the lastpodcast I made for the binge, Doctor's orders, came out summer 2025. In the summer of 07, two tripslist Dr. Munir Uweda.One's a simple commute from the Santa Monica Airport to Corona, California.The other is an overnighter to Tokyo, out and straight back.Not sure what I'd make of that.Bob would tell me stuff, and I'm like, that's not fucking cool, Bob.That's not cool at all.
23:54Robert says Roger Williams just treated Pilot Bob like garbage,yelling at him, screaming, making him fly in unsafe conditions.There's rules.You don't fly into bad weather, but there's time.where Roger would be having Bob fly him around the country.Bob would say, hey, weather's coming in.We're kind of stuck here.You know, it's not safe to fly home.
24:16And Roger would freak out, I need to get home.If you don't get me home, I'll find a pilot that will.I remember Bob telling me multiple storieswhere they would just fly into really bad, dangerous weatherbecause Roger had get-home idas,and Bob didn't want to lose his job.But it's the doctors, Robert says,who were the absolute worst.
24:38If you have kids around,I would maybe skip ahead a minute.Okay, ready?We're going to bleep it anyway,just because it's too much.I was a copilot,and so in the back just prostituteand just all over the airplane.
24:54And he's just left and right.Anytime he flies, he's bringing a girland they're in the back in the mile hike club,and he's just...And she's...And they're just...And then when we land, I'm thinking, I ain't cleaning it.Fucking Bob's got to clean it up.
25:13And they just humiliated the guy after humiliating the guy.Looking at Pilot Bob's flight records and seeing all those doctors' names is pretty shocking.But as we dug in and really started scrutinizing the logs,there was another set of flights that stood out even more,not because of who they had on them, but because of what.The North American Dad.50s. Great polo collection.He enters his vehicle information on Carvana,
25:47an offer appears in minutes.Remarkable.He squints, reads it again, smiles and says,Dang, that's a good offer.The highest form of approval.No haggling, no hassle.No one called him boss.He's still on the couch.
26:04Astonishing.Sell your car today on Carvana.com.Pickup fees may apply.One day last year, police entered a mansion in L.A. County and discovered the couple thatlived there had almost two dozen children, nearly every one of them born through surrogates.But those surrogates had been deceived.I started crying. I was like, what the heck did I just get myself into?I'm Ava Kaufman. The Journey is a new series from In the Dark and The New Yorker.
26:36Find it now in the In the Dark podcast feed.According to Pilot Bob's flight logs, on April 17, 2007, Bob made two trips.First, he flew from Long Beach, California to Torrance, California.The two airports are literally just a 30-minute drive from one another.Then he flew from Torrance to Las Vegas.There were no passengers on board.The log lists, quote, surgical implants.A week later, another trip with no passengers, just hip-stem implants delivered to Modesto, California.
27:13entire flights just for a box of hardware.I'm like, you know, it costs a bunch to fly this airplane.This is Chris Warner again, pilot number one.We had to fly from Muriata, and we went to like Riverside,then we went up to North California,and all we were doing was flying this box.It was the tools used for surgery.Chris says sometimes there was him and the falcon,
27:36but mostly it was pilot Bob.He would literally go from like one airport in Southern,in California, and they would run the tools out.He would fly him to another part of the town.Someone would be there, get the tools, and they would go.So these tools must have been expensive because they were just going around on an airplane a lot.Yeah.When it was in a box, sometimes it was just a fat envelope.
28:05On November 10, 2007, pilot Bob flew from Stafford Regional Airport in Virginia to Palm Springs,California. The log says, quote, dollar sign delivery, unquote. On December 4th, 2007, a flight fromRedig South Dakota to Santa Monica, California. Delivery. And then in parentheses, wine and dollar sign.We were, I guess, in Dallas, and we had to go to San Antonio, and Bob was going to be at the airport.So we fly in to go to the private terminal there in San Antonio.and calling Bob.He doesn't answer or anything like that.Chris says Bob had fallen asleep in the terminal.
28:48But Bob shows up and he looked, you know, unshaven, disheveled.He goes, yeah, I've got to give this to the doctor that we're picking up.And it was his envelope and he opens it up and it's got $50,000 cash in it.Whoa.And he starts laughing.He's like, oh, my gosh.Can you imagine if one of those janitors cleaning around me just picked it up?And that money would have been gone.
29:13Big fat envelopes full of cash.Robert Pereira.Big fat FedEx, and you unzip it and there's 200 grand in cash in there.You bring that home to Mama.Oh, in the next month, here's 200 grand.Here's 200 grand.Every 30 days, these dudes were stoked.On top of their already million plus a year doctor salary.
29:35Spinell Solutions spared no expense.And the orders for the hardware kept coming.They just had so many physicians wanting access to those kickbacks, access to those aircraft,access to all the things that they provided these guys that they got everyone's business.Were there other competitors to Spinal Solutions?Yeah, there's some big ones, but they're ethical. They don't give kickbacks. They don't give you200 grand a month or use of the jet or Laker tickets or prostitutes or all the cash, you know,envelopes and kugarans and gold coins and what.
30:11not. Even before Robert was doing spine, when he was still doing knees and hips, he realizedthere were more things he could do for doctors than just sell them the hardware and set it up.Doctors would ask him to modify their tools.That was very common.It was a kind of industry expectation. Your hardware guy was your hardware guy, whether he'sselling your screws or fixing your surgical tools. Spinal Solutions used a nearby machine shop toget the doctors what they wanted. And I was told by the company, oh, take that to Crowder.and tell Crowder what the doctor told you and have that petelaclant modified or whatever the doctor wants.
30:49Crowder machine shop was in Temecula about 15 minutes from the office in the airport.It's gone out of business and the owner, William Crowder, has passed away.It was in a light industrial complex. They did, you know, precision machining of different types for different industries.Aviation, medical, aerospace. You know, he was an engineer and a machinist.Robert said it was cluttered and dirty, very different from the hospitals where these tools would be used.I've been in machine shops before, professional machine shops where, you know, you could eat off the floor.And Crowder had a different way of doing business.It was pretty cluttered and pretty filthy.
31:28But, you know, that's his business.When Robert started working with spine doctors, he started learning all about the different spinal tools, how the doctors like those to be modified.I would just familiarize myself with the techniques and the instrumentation.as well as the implants.I remember looking at some of the screwsand just feeling the difference between, you know,different manufacturers and different product linesand also different techniques, different approaches,
31:58you know, trying to be a well-rounded rep.And he started noticing big differencesin how the spinal hardware looked,how it felt in his hand.I remember picking up screws and going,man, some of these screws are really high quality.And then some of these screws are just, you can just feel that they were just cheap.They were garbage.
32:19They were crude and they weren't well made.Maybe it missed a step in the quality control.But then after a while, I started finding these same screws that were supposedly made by the same manufacturer.And I found that hard to believe.The screws, both the good ones and the ones that looked off, were packed together from the same manufacturer.and they were being sold at the same incredibly inflated price point.One day, Robert was dropping off some instruments at Crowder to be modified.And I saw on the lathe screws being made.
32:54I thought, wow.Hmm.That's very interesting.He says the screws looked a lot, like the screws he was delivering to the hospitals.But I didn't jump to any conclusions at first.I mean, they could have been prototypes.I didn't necessarily know they were even for us.but they sure did look like the screws that we used.
33:14Later, he started noticing a real decline in qualityin the screws he was delivering to surgeons.I had spoke to one of the other reps at the company.I said, hey, you know, have you noticed that the quality has just gone to shit?You know, what's up with these?They appear to be the same size, the same dimensions.But, man, it seems like they skipped a step in the manufacturingor the quality has just gone straight to hell.
33:42The other rep looked at him and laughed.It took a while to pry it out of him, and he's like, no, those screws are being made by Crowder.Both screws, the heavier, more precision screws, and the lighter, sloppier screws,had the same brand name etched onto them.But on one, it was smaller and italic.On the other, it was slightly bigger and straight up and down.It was like a Gucci shirt you might buy on the street.It's spelled G-U-C-C-I.
34:12But it does not look like the real thing.Only, these were going into people's bodies.No matter how much I was being paid, I just couldn't stand by going,these guys are going to have surgery tomorrow morning,and these implants are going in their spine, and they're bullshit.And the company is going to make $60,000 per surgery.There's five, six surgeries on the board, and these people are fucked.These screws were going around the country.
34:43It wasn't just in Southern California.They were going all over the country to doctors all the way to the East Coast, down to Texas, Nevada.They were going all over the place.Robert Pereira helped those screws in his hand, and he made himself a promise.This is very, very intense surgery.And I would look at the border and I'd be like, this is bullshit.Something's got to be done.I don't care about the money.
35:07These people are fucked.In 2002, Ryan Wedding was an Olympic snowboarder at the top of his game.Ryan's style is really gunned and gold.And in less than a minute, it slipped away.But he continued to chase the high.Ryan James Wedding.He controls one of the most violent drug trafficking organizations in this world.I'm Michelle Shepard and from CBC Podcasts and the Toronto Star, The Most Wanted Olympian.
35:45Available now.Dr. Billions is produced by Western Sound for Sony Music Entertainment's The Binge.I'm your host, Benadere.I'm also the executive producer for Western Sound.From Sony Music Entertainment, the executive producers are Jonathan Hirsch and Catherine St. Louis.Dr. Billions was reported and produced by Dana Ballute.It was written by Dana Ballute and Benadair.Najeeb Amini is our fact-checker.
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