The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: One University Bobby Wants to Completely Wipe Out + Kansas State HC Chris Klieman + Hornets PF Grant Williams

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

After the first CFP rankings came out this week, Bobby goes around the room to discuss which program everyone wants out of the playoff, and ultimately tells us why he wants one entire university gone. Plus, Kansas State head football coach Chris Klieman joined Bobby to talk about their first year in the revised Big 12, what he learned from his dad, and much more! And Charlotte Hornets PF Grant Williams sat down with the guys in NYC to discuss being a veteran, what he does in the offseason to stay in shape, and more!   Download the DraftKings Sportsbook App today: https://dkng.co/bobbysports   If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-877-770-STOP (7867) (LA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA).   21+ (18+ WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA/MI/NJ/ NY/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. N/A in NH/OR/ON. New customers only. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 wager. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Ends 9/19/22. See http://draftkings.com/sportsbook for details.     Follow the Show: @BobbyBonesSports   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @ReidYarberry  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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whenever Mahomes and Baker Mayfield were 50 yard line doing the coin and they flipped the coin they go to overtime Chief's into point of the game but you see as soon as the coin toss lands

it was funny he was Baker Mayfield being Baker he just reacts like well game over game over Mahomes just won the toss like really funny

nobody was hating on him for it because it's arguably the second greatest quarterback of all time with a chance to be the greatest quarterback of all time let's remove Mahomes because I already have my two answers written down

and I don't want to affect anybody's answer who would be your second and you have to put them both down and we'll go around them to be second and your third quarterbacks Mahomes is number one I'm assuming in everybody's mind if you get one quarterback active Yes

Who would be your second and then who would be your third quarterback and that's one drive to go down and win the game in the current NFL Right? We're not talking about old. Joe Montana is out.

Yeah. Joe Namath is out. Okay. Yes, guys. Just checking the rules. Currently. Okay. There we go.

There we go. Who would be? I want to know who your second and your third would be. And let me know when everybody's in because, again, I don't want anybody's judgment to be affected. I'm in. I'm good. Yeah. I will go first.

My, we'll just say number one after my homes. is going to be Joe Burrow. No. So I go Joe Burrow, number one. He has stared down the eyes of Patrick Mahomes and beaten him before. He's the one guy who has in the playoffs. And so I'm going to go Joe Burrow because I feel like,

as it used to be read, it's Eddie now, the goldfish. It'd be like somebody has that dog in him. When they don't, they have the goldfish. But Joe Burroughs got that dog in him. Yeah. Like he has the amount of arrogance you need to believe in yourself. even when it's not rational.

So I'm going Joe Freaking Burrow as my number one pick after my homes. Kevin? I'm going to go Stafford. I thought about this and first that popped in my head was Joe Burrow and then I'm like, actually let's keep thinking and keep thinking in the Stafford.

Kind of forget about him. Why Matthew Stafford? Because he has 36 fourth quarter comebacks and 46 game winning drives. Yeah, that's good. In his career. He gets his information. See, I don't do that.

I didn't even interrupt. I was just blown away. You used a stat and not just idiotity like we do. That's not any word. it's idiocy. Yes. Yes, go ahead. So 36 fourth quarter

comebacks and 46 game winning drives in his career. And that's why. And he was with the line for how long and he has all those numbers. Come on. That's the only way he won, though,

was coming back. Yeah, everything. They suck so bad. Okay, I'll accept it. Eddie? This pains me, but my first one's Lamar Jackson. That one's fine.

No, no, no. We only get one. We're doing the first one. What do you mean first one? Yeah, my first pick, right? You said the one and two? Lamar. Lamar is my dude.

Are you listening? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You say like your first... Did anybody else misunderstand? I think I got it. Okay. But you're also working computer screens, so I want to give you the benefit of the house. You're out of focus, so I want to give you the benefit of that.

But you didn't say that, so how am I to know? See, because I have Lamar Jackson. Don't say anybody else. We only only get one. This is your first one. No. So who is it? My first is Lamar Jackson.

Okay, there you go. There we go. We're coming back then. And we'll get to your other one. We'll get to your other one, but I want to know. Let me get the stats down for Lamar. I have no stats. And you can always say, hey, sorry, I wasn't able to listen for the last few seconds.

I was fixing the camera. Then we won't all look at you like, Eddie's talking a different language right now. Okay, okay. Lamar Jackson's my dude. Okay, why so? I mean, he's got legs. Like, I feel like you need legs when it's last drive and you're going to score. You got everything.

When your guys are all covered, you got nothing, you got legs. Give me Lamar Jackson. That's the dude. He's easy top. Yeah, he's got legs. He's got legs. You were them. Yes.

Casey? I got to go with Josh Allen. I know he's had some struggles with Mahomes, but I feel like that 13 second game that was before the change in the playoff rules. They actually are the ones that. Yeah. So I got to go with Josh Allen.

I think he's going to do it one of these days. I think any of these are bad. Reed. I'm going to go Will Levis. I'm just kidding. I'm joking. I wish you were just committed. I didn't know.

I'd have been good, dude. Why? I saw him down at the Chapole. He liked Mayo. No, I was also going to say Josh Allen. He's got like 15 Rush T-D. right? Yeah, he's like 500-something yards.

Okay, I got with some legs, legs, you know? So there's one. Good, good, good, good. We're all in on the game now, right? Yeah, we're good. Okay, so I made you pick two, but they were in order, one and two.

Kevin, I'll go to you first before I give him mine. Who was your second one? The second one was your first, Joe Burrow. He's a dog. My second one was your first, Matthew Stafford. For the same reason, and I was impressed he went to stats because I wanted any of the most fourth quarter

comebacks. Stafford's also, he can, he can sling still. he's played a lot so it's not going to rattle him. I think he's 36 years old. Yeah. Right? I looked that up.

I looked up some stuff, so I feel pretty good on the side. So, okay, so we're just inverted. I'm Burrow Stafford, your Stafford, Borough. Interesting.

Okay. Okay, Eddie, now we're going to do a game where we do a second quarterback. Yeah. Who do you have? I got him. Who?

This is tough to say. Dack. Say Dac. It's not Dack. It's not Dack. It's not Dack Prescott. I'm going to go Brock Furti. Oh,

I'm going to go Brock Furti. I feel like he is just solid. Like when everything's clicking, he is solid and that's what you want. He's composed, he's smart, he's underrated and he'll prove you wrong.

He proves me wrong all the time. I'm going to have to say Brock Purdy. I think Brock Purdy is a guy who doesn't make a lot of wrong decisions. And I think that is an element of what you're saying there. Like there are some guys, Like Josh Allen, a Joe Burrow, Matthew Stafford, they will at times because they're so aggressive,

make a wrong decision. Out of aggression, that's what you love about him. Think about Brock Purdy was he doesn't make a lot of wrong decisions, and I think that's very important. Eddie, great job, buddy. Thank you. I did not want to pick a 49er, but... He didn't do it last year in the Super Bowl, though.

Correct. Wow. He did not. He fell short. Did he fall short? Yeah, I remember it was third down and goal, and they kicked a field goal, and then the Chiefs got the ball and went on the same.

But that wasn't him. That was Chris Jones, right? Chris Jones going up the middle. I'm just a quarterback. Thank you guys. He's a quarterback. I'm not arguing because I don't care enough. But I, okay.

Hey, everybody wins. Casey. I had Joe Burrow as my third option, but just to give him a little love, I'm going to say Jalen hurts. Because he almost had Mahomes on the ropes in that one Super Bowl, which was pretty solid. So, tush push. I don't know. It's not working lately. And I also had Bronson.

Oh, sorry. I love a good underdog, you know. Go on Brock. I didn't mean the interrupt you. Yeah, yeah. He just seems like a really smart dude, you know, put the, put good people around him. He's going to do a good job, man. Loving him underdogs. Me too. I'll like, put good people around me.

I do a good job too. That's why I'm not doing that good. Oh, yeah. Oh, man, come on. Okay, I'm just kidding. Okay, I only got like four things I want to talk about here. The second one to start off is I find myself doing something that I don't think I've ever done in my entire life. And that is I am now rooting for Alabama.

Oh. And it's not because I'm rooting for them because they're red. I like red teams naturally because Arkansas is red. And my color, I'm colorblind. I'm generally drawn to red teams. There's really nobody on their team that I've, that,

like I'm in love with as a player. I think what I like is that I like when everybody jumps on the, they suck now bandwagon. And like Kailin Dabor is awesome. He's an awesome coach. And the fact that already, a couple of losses, are like, get him out of there.

He wears a t-shirt. Like, people are so stupid that I find myself rooting for Alabama just to shut stupid people up. Because of all the coaches in the country, like, I think that was the number one home run hire. Nobody's actually going to replace Nick Sabin

until years and years later they replaced Nick Saban. And that's only once they win more championships than he does. But nobody was going to replace Bear Bryant or Gene Stallings or you go through the Alabama coaches until Nick Sabin did.

So I find myself, and it is, so weird rooting for Alabama because they are not an underdog in any way, except they kind are now. They've got a couple of SEC losses. They lost to Vanderbilt. And I'm happy Vanderbilt won. It was not rooting for them in that game. But I find myself rooting for Alabama and I've never done it.

And I'm rooting for Kalin DeBoer and don't know him, never met him. We never went up to Washington. We never, we haven't been down to Alabama. But I feel like I'm questioning who I am as a person. Because I've hated Alabama. Now I hated like personal because they're not a rival. They usually kick the crap out of us, being an Arkansas fan.

But I hated them because they just win all the time and I hate teams that win all the time. Is it hard to say that out loud? No, it's not because a lot of people are anti-Alabama and they're not giving them a shot. So like, I'm in. Like, let's go of the teams that are in it. Like, I'm in.

I want Alabama to win the whole freaking thing. You don't. No. Do you have a more positive feeling of Alabama because everyone is so negative on Alabama? I'm with you on that in the sense of like any. time people gang up on one team or one person, I'm always like, you know what, I'm ruined for

that person or that team now. But for Alabama, I can't just, maybe it's because they've been so good for so long. I can't feel bad for them. I feel bad for Canlon DeBoer. Yeah, he seems like a good dude. And he just moved in, like he just got to the neighborhood. Finally got his mail, name on his mailbox. Yeah. Yeah, lost a couple. He didn't know how to get to Starbucks yet. And the environment is different. Like, he's going into an entirely new environment, not just Tuscaloosa. I'm talking about college football in general where the reason that Sabin left

is probably why DeBoer and some of these other legacy are struggling. Yeah. Things just aren't the same anymore nor will they ever be the same. And that's why Sabin was like, I'm done. I'm not doing this like this anymore.

Even Chip Kelly is like, I'm gonna go be an assistant now. Be an assistant. Be the OC. It's why look at Virginia, their head basketball coach. He left like two weeks before the season started. However, shout out to him

because he did the most baller thing you could possibly do for your boys you know he knew he was going to leave. And I don't have any first-hand information. You knew he was going to leave. And he waited at the last minute. So like his boy, his assistant coach, get the head-coaching job.

Like that's what you do and you do not give them time to go hire a head coach. That's a real one. That's a real one right there. It's immediately what I thought when I saw this. Because he didn't wake up that day

and go, ooh, yeah, I'm out. Yeah. He knew it was coming and he was looking out for his boys and I appreciate that. That's why our show starts at 5 a.m.

Right? you get six East East Coast on Buy Bones show markets. That's why at 4.59 one morning, I'm going to quit. Eddie is going to be yours. Whoa! That's what I'm talking about.

10 seconds till show goes on. Guys, I'm out. Hi. What's up? Is this thing on? Now, speak into the playoff bracket. And I can run you through the teams and this is not the official

because it is not the end of the season, but they did put out the very first what would have. This would be the bracket. if it existed today. Who's the most annoying team on the bracket? And I'll read them to you, and you can have any criteria you want.

But what team do you see? It could be long, long, hate, short hate. It could be irrational hate. But I want to know you can wipe one team off the bracket, even if they're really good. Or they don't deserve to be there. There are no rules. Who do you cut from this bracket?

Here we go at number one, Oregon, number two, Georgia, number three, Miami. Number four, BYU. Those will be the four teams today that we'll be getting a buy to the second round. At number five, Ohio State, at six, Texas, at seven, Penn State, at eight, Tennessee, nine, Indiana,

10, Notre Dame, 11, Alabama, 12, Boise State. Hmm. Casey, your first. Eliminate one team out of spite and spite alone. It's very easy for me. It's going to be BYU. Why? Zachary Wilson.

Oh, I thought I might have a religion war. I know. I was like, you know, I mean, you know, I'm not a couple more. That's a topic for another show. But, yeah, I mean, that jumps out to me. My jet hate my, wow. You love the jet so much.

You hate a quarterback that set your program back a couple years. Yeah. I guess a program college that set your organization back a couple years. It's rooted in some logic, I guess. Okay, okay. That's mine. There's no, I love it. There's no lot.

That's pretty good. That's just pure emotion. That's some deep stuff, dude. Kevin? Mine's going to be Miami, only because. Because they just keep barely... I mean, I know they beat Duke by 20 plus points, but they're just hanging around, hanging around,

and it's just like, go away. Like, you're going to lose at some point. Just do it now, please. They're so annoying. And they're getting a buy because the ACC sucks balls. Yeah, because it's so bad. Please SMU beat them in the championship. It sucks.

I hate Miami too, but only because a couple of those games, I feel like they should have lost. But I don't hate as much of Texas. I would eliminate Texas from playing sports. All of them. I would just say, hey, Texas, you now, so where I grew up in central Arkansas, there were some schools that they said, okay, well, this school is not being a successful institution in education and especially sports. So they took like three or four schools and they made one school out of them.

So there was a school called Glenwood and there's another couple small schools. And they have, it's now called Center Point of all those schools. With Texas, I would do the opposite. I would split it all and make them go to other schools. I'll be like, you go to A&M, you go to tech. you got and no more Texas. Just totally done. You have way too much money. You do, there's too much success here.

We don't like this. You have to do, Texas would, I would wipe them off. And we would never, matter of fact, there never was a Texas. Oh, the whole state? No,

the state's fine. There was never a university of Texas. There's so much so, someone would go, why don't we just start a university of Texas here in Austin? I'd be like, that's a great idea.

I'd go for it. Because there would be no remembrance of it. Interesting. I would wipe them off the map. Respectfully, of course. Respectfully, of course. Respectfully, Hey Mike, you going to the game?

Yeah, I'm going. Texas, Florida? Yeah, it's good. That'd be fun. That'd be fun. Like, I hate Texas, but it'd be fun to be a Texas fan because they have such an original color, and they win. Is Texas yours? What do you mean?

Is that your pick? Yeah. 100%. Yeah. I feel like... I'll just double checking. We should have... You know how when Ohio State plays Michigan, they always block out the M or they don't say it.

You know, they have all these things. I feel like we should do that with Texas in general. Or just the letter T. We don't say a single word with letting me. Mine's all just so jealousy. Coming from a broke state that doesn't win and we see rich Big Brother Texas just dominating with like a cool color.

I think our color is cooler because I love red. But like Tennessee and Texas have an original color. That's pretty cool. Do you put Miami's orange in that same category? No. I can't see the difference

as why I think. So no. But not because I'm a hater on it because I don't think I see the difference because to me I think it looks the same as other oranges. Burnt orange in Texas does not look like any other orange to me. Yeah.

And Tennessee orange. Uh, suck of orange orange, like that vol orange. That is, that's different. What's the name of that orange? Succa orange. Succo orange.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm wiping Texas off. Kevin, you said Miami, Eddie, you said... I'm going to Ohio State. I feel that. I'm going to Ohio State. Like, who likes Ohio State?

I really don't think they're that good. And justice for Army. I think Army should be in that spot. They're undefeated. Put Army in there instead of Ohio State. I think if Army, well, okay, let me say a couple things. Ohio State should be in. I don't think that Army has to have that spot specifically.

Well, but I hear we got. I get your point. No, I hear you. I hate Ohio State the reason Kevin hates Alabama. I don't actually hate Ohio State. I just hate that they always win and get the benefit of the doubt. Yes. I have no problem.

Like emotionally, I am not like an anti-Ohio State. guy. I actually like the Big Ten. Do you know anyone that loves Ohio State personally? I don't. Yes, I do. Of course, yeah. Gary, LeVox, Rascal Flats, massive Ohio State. Oh, I didn't think about him, yeah. I didn't know he was a big fan. But, like, I think of my close circle of friends. We've got Texas fans. We've got Arkansas fans. You're born in Texas. You're regional. It's regional.

Yeah, but I live in Tennessee now. I got a big Valls fan over here in Kevin. He's a poser. He's a poster. Read, Arkansas State. Yeah, let's go, baby. I think I went to two games. Syracuse, Casey, you know, but no one likes Ohio State in my circle of friends. So, but what does that say?

I just get them out of there. I got it. Let's get them out of there. Yeah, no, Ohio State is a jealousy hatred. They spent the most money. Although I will say this, and I don't hate Ohio State, but I hate Ohio State because they get the benefit of the doubt, but I don't hate Ohio State.

They don't hate that. No, and I'm, heck, I'm kind of rooting for Ryan Day because everybody hates against him, hates on them. but this is my issue now is that I watch an Arkansas basketball game we're taping this on Thursday afternoon I watched an Arkansas basketball game last night it's weird

because now we have a really high profile expensive coach we have a lot of NIL money we are highly functioning with that NIL money we have great players it's weird I'm struggling with it what's weird about it

because I don't think you're hated. We're not. No, no, we're not. We're not hated yet. Yeah, yeah. I think there's an expectation. We weren't even picked first in the SEC.

But there's an expectation because you saw the poll like coaches, which basketball programs do you have the most faith in that? And it's Arkansas, number one. And so I don't think it's this year only, but there will be an expectation because all the money. But we're going to end up being the villain if we win. Yeah. Coach Cal.

But that's going to be awesome, dude. I don't know if we're going to, I'm not used to that. It feels funny to me. If you win, like that's going to be amazing. Yeah. And that you become the villain. We've been the underdog, underfinanced little engine that could for so long, my whole life, that it feels weird. Where I'm like, I'm watching a guy that I know we paid a million bucks for.

And I owe money. I play. And I'm like, how does this make me feel great that we actually do it? Or like, do I want to be the lovable loser that proves everybody wrong? I don't know. I'm having an identity crisis. Two completely different worlds. But I'm also like heading on Texas for being rich at the same time.

And I'm like, it's completely irrational. You know what was weird though is he was, I mean, he used to seeing him kind of just wear like a jogging suit. Cal? Yeah, Cal. But not in the Arkansas game. Like his first game, he wore a suit. He looked nice.

He wore like a nice little red jacket. I'd never seen him dressed like that. Him wearing red was really weird for a long time. Now I've seen it so much like on my feeds. starting to be kind of normal, but he's blue to me. Not even blue, not just Kentucky, but Memphis. Yeah, yeah, right. Like he's been, he's been, he's been blue.

You can go back. Where was? UMass. Yeah, UMass. That's kind of reddish. Burgundy. It is, but that was a long time ago. That was like, I don't remember that.

Back, I only do because we play, Arkansas, we played them. Because I'm not thinking of Patino. I get him and Petino mixed up a bunch. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, Patino did Providence, right? Yeah, and they both were up and freaking the Northeast, where only losers come from, I'm just kidding. You know.

But, yeah, so, okay, it's interesting. It is. I'm having an identity crisis. We haven't even won, meaning as a program and I'm already like, I don't know if I like winning. I know. I don't have it yet. Yeah, we haven't even won and I'm like, winning feels weird. I don't know.

Okay. So there's that. That's what's in my mind. I do want to now go to our guy. We love Kansas State. And so we talked to Chris Clim and the head coach. we did episode last year with him of too much access and we love the program

we already liked the people because we know a lot of Kansas folks but after going there like we have become fans of him and them he won four consecutive FCS championships in North Dakota State got hired at Kansas State in 2018 and we talked

I got a nice note from him last night Oh did you? Yeah really nice. She's such a nice guy. It was like it was so cool to talk to you guys because of how you talk to us basically was the note which I honestly How do you talk to him?

Well they're probably like Oh it's because you were like you do you do boo-voo no no no you'll hear I did it in Spanish so don't be able to be in I think it's because mostly people think that we have this like

fresh approach on interviews we're just idiots yeah I mean for the most part we're just asking like what dumb guys would ask because that's what we're not trying to act smarter than we are

and they're like man the approach was so fresh and I'm like you know we really strategize that approach coach That's really how we are, Coach. Very scripted over here. The Wildcats are 7 and 2 on the season, still in the hump of the Big 12. Even at the end, because I waited to the end of this interview to ask him about the loss of Houston.

Yeah. I just love the guy. I love the guy. I love the program. Here he is. Hey, coach. Good to see you. Thank you for the time.

You bad, Bobby. How are you doing? Hey, pretty good. I do want to go back a year. So we were working out with Cooper Bibi when we were up there with you guys. You keep up with Cooper at all with the Cowboys? Absolutely. he's come back for at least two games

but no probably weekly we send a text back and forth super proud of him being the starting center in the NFL man crazy too because and Cooper and I follow each other on Instagram since then and when he was drafted obviously super pumped for him but the transition and maybe you could add a little

to this the transition because he did not play center for you but now he's playing center with the Cowboys how hard is that to do on the offensive line it's really hard but the fact that he played all four positions but that, I think lent himself to understanding all the positions and knew that he could, because he was a guy that communicated all of our checks and adjustments

and IDs and stuff anyway. And all along when he was here and continued to get better and better, people kept asking us, do you think he can be a center? Do you think he can be a center? Well, yeah, we did from a mental side of things. from a physical side of things, he just had to put the time into it. And obviously he did that because to make that transition and be named the starter

by week one was pretty remarkable. So teams were reaching out to you to ask if you thought his mental capacity was that of a center? So was it a size? Like why were teams looking at him as a center? All the fact that he's not 6'5 and 6'5 and stuff. He's a, you know, I don't know, what is he, 6.3 and a half, 6. and they knew he would be an interior guy somewhere. And the center position is so valuable and so hard to find that when you have somebody

with the acumen that he has of understanding the game and understanding defensive fronts and being able to communicate, I thought it was going to be a natural for him to be able to move inside there. Then he just had to work on the physical side of getting the snaps and movement. And I knew he could do it because he's such a good. a great athlete too. Is there ever a time with a player when you will modify a bit of how they play or what they do for the next level, even though it may not be completely advantageous to what you're doing right then? Not completely, but I also have a responsibility to give these guys the best

opportunity to have success at that next level. And if it can fit with what we're doing as a team, And yes, absolutely. We had a guy that actually started for the bucks the other night named Josh A's. He's a safety slash corner. And I had him at North Dakota State, and he was a corner. And then we got him out of the transfer portal to come here. And he assumed he was going to play a corner. And I said, Josh, we're going to play you at safety here.

A, it's going to help us be a better team. But B, I think it's going to market you better in the NFL because you're not. not a six foot three guy that's 215 pounds that's a corner that a lot of the teams are looking for Josh is a six foot 195 pound kid and I said if you can cover slot guys you're going to have a place in the NFL so is it not only going to help our team but it's going to help your draft status and they end up getting drafted maybe in the fourth or fifth round by the bucks and I think he's in his third year now and now he's a starter for him but his ability to move and and showcase what do as a safety rather than a corner helped us as a team and helped him in the draft.

What's Avery Johnson like as a dude? Gosh, A, he's awesome. He's so much fun to be around. He's the unquestioned leader on the offense, but he's very confident, has some swagger, but he's not a cocky kid. He's a guy that, you know, the room lights up when he comes in. but he doesn't want that, if that makes sense. He doesn't want to be the center of attention. He's just always going to be, some of it is his hair, right? He's going to be the center of attention because of his hair.

But he's a very humble, driven kid that what people don't see about Avery is all the things that he does in our community for youth, for disability children, for people in need. I know he's helping a principal back home that was diagnosed with cancer of raising money. Those are the things that he's not putting out on social media. But maybe should be emphasized a little bit more because it's not just about the football. The football is just a very small part of his life. When you look for a leader, like what are those qualities and the leadership qualities can be very different? I mean, we have them even here amongst this organization. Like what are the qualities that you see in leaders that you feel like go best with your program?

For starters, they have to be able to hold themselves accountable. It's always easy to say the best player and the work ethic and his last one off the field and the first one on the field. Those are the things that people I think think about. But I think of it as one, he's one that holds himself accountable. and he's not going to talk to talk unless he can walk the walk. And we have a kid named Austin Moore that's one of our captains that epitomizes what a leader is. And when I say a leader, he's a servant leader in the fact that he makes everybody around him better because of his presence. And the best leaders are ones that really don't care if,

at the end of the day, we're going to be best friends for the next 40 years. You're going to respect me because I'm going to hold myself accountable, but I'm not going to be afraid to hold you accountable. And, you know, in our sport, in college, kids have three, four, five years to make a legacy. And you can make a ton of friends, and you're already going to make a ton of friends. But the only way you're going to make a legacy is if you have success. And the only way you're going to have success is by holding your peers accountable. And that's what I find in the best leaders is they can hold themselves accountable.

They can walk the walk, but they are not afraid to call out their best friend, not afraid to call out a teammate that is maybe equally as talented. It's easy to call up the guys that maybe aren't as good or don't do things the right way. But when you can call out the other best players and they respect you for it, that's the best sign of leadership. I'm going to get in the weeds a little here because I respect your entire career as it. coach and what you've built at every level. But I want to talk about practice tape. So you're a practice. You're doing what you do.

You're CEOing. You're making sure the macro things are done right. Do you ever get on and watch some tape and see somebody that maybe you did not know was competing at a higher level than maybe you wouldn't have caught if you didn't see it on tape? 100%. I do it every day. And not only do you have to do it, but you have to. recognize that individual or those individuals for their efforts. And a simple thing would be we have our scout team players of the week every week.

The guys that aren't playing, but gave us a chance to be successful by the look that they gave us each day that week, that maybe we're down a defensive tackle and he had to take every rep in practice for the scout team or a lineback or whatever, maybe as well as special teams. I think it's important that not only myself, but some of our best players, thank those guys and recognize those guys. We have a neat deal that we do after wins in the locker room where we hand out a hammer because we talk about pound the stone all the time. We hand out a hammer to somebody and then they get to recognize somebody. And oftentimes it's a defensive lineman that is recognizing, hey, scout team offensive linemen and so-and-so or scout team wide receiver. or as a defensive back, thank you for pushing me this week.

Man, you made me better. But I think you have to recognize those guys. And they have to know that they're a valued part of your organization and program. I want to ask you about your dad for a second. What do you think you've taken from him, even if you don't realize until you got older that you had, like as a coach? Competitiveness and toughness, not even in question. My dad's the toughest man I know because of some of the things that he's been through,

through health situations, through mental situations. I probably cause some of his mental anguish at times. But he's the toughest guy I know, and he's never going to let somebody else know that something's bothering him. I probably don't do as good a job of that. I don't do as good a job of that. I wear my heart on my sleeve a little bit more than my dad ever did. But that's a different era, too. and then the competitiveness of, you know, we go to play Oklahoma.

I'm like, yeah, this is going to be a tough one, man. I don't know. My first year, we don't know if we're on the same field as these guys. And, you know, BS, yeah, you are. But you've got to convince your guys of that. You've got to make sure that your guys know that you believe in them that you are a better team. And if you all come together and you play your tail off with each other, you've got every bit of an opportunity to beat a team like that.

And so he's still at, oh, 85 years old, the best armchair quarterback I have. Does he text you at all? And does he use emojis? No. No, my dad wouldn't use an emoji. But he'll text me, but I always know I'm in trouble. He wants to talk to me when he either leaves me a voicemail or sends me a text, and it starts with Christopher.

Oh, full name. He gets you with the full name. Yeah. Yeah. Christopher? Why don't you give me a call? Big 12 is new this year. Yeah, yeah.

You know, a lot of new teams, you happen to go to new places. How has it been with the new Big 12 for you guys? It's been a really neat experience. I think it's phenomenal for fan bases. I got to be honest with you, the travel sucks. Right? I mean, that's what we knew that, but we had to progress in our league to keep up with the Joneses. So the travel has been not a whole lot of fun

because we're kind of like we're the old pack 12 at night now we're the big 12 at night. So go to BYU and get home at 6 in the morning which was a great environment. So much respect for Clani Sataki and what he's done and they've deserved all the recognition they're getting but what a great environment that was.

Going to Colorado. Coach Prime's done a phenomenal job there. That place was electric. We found a way to sneak out of there with a win. But it was a cool environment and a beautiful setting, and it was fun. You know, we've gone to some of the other ones. And we have a few more teams in this league that we haven't played or seen for a long, long time here. And I think it's healthy for college football. The only thing I don't like about when you say the new Big 12, the new

PAC or the new ACC, the new SEC, the new SEC, all these new leagues, the only thing I don't like about it is I don't know if we're going to truly get a true champion when not everybody plays each other. And I don't know if in the Big Ten, the top teams play each other all across the board. Maybe they do. I don't pay attention to enough schedules, but Iowa State doesn't play BYU. Well, nobody knew, but those two are the better teams in the league. We don't play Texas Tech, and Texas Tech and us are up towards the top of the league. And I know that that's part of it. We just can't control that, but that's something that I wish we could get rectified a little bit.

Yeah, the SEC is doing that too, where they, you know, east and west until this year. But it almost makes more sense because of that, right? I mean, in inequality and schedule to put the divisions again, because at least the entire division could play each other and the two winners could play each other. So almost

it's like you're reversing to go forward because you're right. If there are advantages for certain teams every year and there will be and that will be something you constantly have to face. Yeah, and we can't control that. And rather than complain about it or anything, you know, nobody knows what the league's going to be like.

And that's the prognostication of this team is going to be the best team when we get into August. Nobody has any idea. I mean, nobody knew what Indiana was going to be. I'm sure that their players and their staff probably thought we're going to have really good team. But nobody knows how those transfers are going to fit in and how the new players are going to adapt and fit into the program. So you're right. It's going to be hard.

And now we play these teams. And then I know we're not playing BYU next year. I can't think who else we're not playing. But it's like, okay, you get a game with them and you don't see them for two years. And it's good that we're still playing like KU and Iowa State, Oklahoma State, some of our regional rivalries. But we went to West Virginia again after not seeing them in 23. We played at their place in 22, didn't play him in 23,

and then they had to go back there in 24. So you're going to have some of those imbalances where you're going to go to the same place two of three years because of just how they work the schedule. I have two final questions for you. I was watching the CFP whenever they announced the rankings there. You're ranked 19. How high do you think you need to get?

Obviously, if you win the Big 12, you get in. But where do you think you need to land in order to get in? Well, that'd be the easiest path without a doubt is to win the Big 12. I will be really disappointed if a two loss, Big 12 school gets to the championship game and gets beat and doesn't get in. And that third loss counts against them is what you're saying? Yeah, yeah.

When you may not even play in the game and you could get in, but you play in that game and maybe BYU runs the table and ends up 13 and O, obviously they're going to get in, but maybe a team loses to them that that's their third loss that they maybe would have gotten in had they not even played the game. Somebody in the SEC

and the Big Ten, it is what it is. I mean, I'm not naive enough. I understand the landscape of college football where those two conferences are at is going to get in because they did play in that game. It does feel counterproductive to penalize a team from making it to the championship game. when they lose the championship game

because you're right made that absolutely could happen you could go well there's a three beside their name now not a two so we're going to go and hold them out for another two that didn't make it because of a tiebreaker or so exactly yeah and I wish you could

and Bobby within the next couple years I don't know when this thing ends it's got to go to 16 teams don't have buys and get 16 teams in there and then you could say hey the the four power four conferences. If you're in that championship game, there's your first eight. Those guys are in.

I don't care how you got there because you're probably not going to get into it seven and five anyway. You're going to be a 10 and two, nine and three team, whatever it is. They might as just put those eight teams in and then figure out the eight after that. Last question, tough loss at Houston. What do you say to your team after that game? Don't let it define you. Very similar to after BYU. It's hard to win in college football. I mean, it is. You there's so much parody with the age of the transfer portal and stuff you have to be prepared and put your best foot forward and play really good football every week same thing we got beat at by you and i said guys this game can't define us we can't let b yu beat us twice and then we

won four in a row and played pretty good football okay we lost a lot of things and starts with me and we've got to find ways to correct those things but we can't let that game beat us twice we're fortunate we have an open week this week we got a lot of guys banged up so does everybody in the country have a lot of guys banged up we get a chance to at least catch our breath get some guys healthy for these last three weeks coach i think i've watched seven of your games like i'm a family legit fan now and uh also my team sucks so i'm a legit fan i've seen yeah everybody get a good laughing we suck we suck but it gives me more time to spend with kansas state and all of us here like we loved being there uh we're massive fans of you guys i know you got

three games left and off week this week so we appreciate the time but just want to say, like, we are genuinely and loudly rooting for you guys. So thank you for the time, Coach. I appreciate you having me on. This is a big thing for a program to be on your show, and I can't thank you guys enough for being fans of K-State. All right, coach, see you. All right, let's do the parlay.

We'll do three teams this week because we did four last week. But we're not on the app than if we only do three, right? Correct. I just don't. Let's do four. We got sad. Man. I like being on the app, man.

It's like I can't click on it, because I'm still locked out, but I can see it. That's a good point. We might have already committed to... Mike, what do we do here? Can we do four and they put us on the app? I can see.

I know we're slated for later in the month to be on the app again. And then were we at the end of the app? Dude, we were last place. Very light. And you know what? I don't blame them. No, sure.

I get it. They were like, we like your fresh approach. I'm betting. We're like, you know what? We're just idiots. It's not a fresh approach. We'll do... We'll do four because I want Reed to be a part of it.

Yes. Do you guys know your teams? Yeah, I got mine. I got mine, but I hope you guys didn't think of it. Reed's looking for the first time. That's the problem. Yeah. Yeah, I got mine. Okay.

Go with your gut, Reed. Go with your gut. Let's do a little parlay here. Kevin, you go first. I'm going to go the undefeated BYU Cougars. The Cougars, right? They're Cougars. Plus three and a half at Utah. That'd be a pretty fun game

Or minus three and a half I'm sorry I said plus Minus three and a half That'd be a pretty fun game Right or a game Okay Eddie

Check it out We're going Texas Your favorite team Minus 21 and a half Against Florida But they're in home So we got that Oh it should be a massive

A lot And Mike you're going to the game When are you getting there Tomorrow afternoon That's awesome Oh that too And the fact that Mike's gonna be there Special juju

Reed I think I may go South Carolina minus four against Vandy Oh You know why you're going against our Commadors, dude I love them but It's been too much Pick your team

I'm gonna go South Carolina minus four Since it's not on the app you can actually just not use reads I guess that's true You can build your own out Okay That's true Yeah Okay and then

This is you I know what game is going to hit Oh you do But it's not as sexy It's not as fun of a pick Oh, that's okay. I think I picked Army last time. Yeah, but that's sexy.

I love America. This game is automatic. I think Vegas just fell asleep when they were making this line. Sam Houston State? Mississippi State's playing in Knoxville at Tennessee. Tennessee is a 24-point favorite.

Mississippi State sucks. I'll be there. You're going to that one? Yeah. We could have beat them by 100. Yeah. Tennessee minus 24. Kevin, you're

You don't think that's a lot? No. I had 21 and a half and you're like, that's a lot. Well, Florida is a much better team than Mississippi State. They're awful. Yeah. But Florida, I think they're on like their fourth quarterback now, so that hurts. Yeah.

Right? I did see. It's like we're playing. I don't think so. The fact they even brought up that he might was surprising to me. I thought he was going to be out multiple weeks. Same. And they have some transfer from Yale, I want to say?

Yeah. Like a walk on from Yale. Yeah. I think, yeah. Yeah. Smart guy, huh? He actually goes out with a note, pat and a pen. Takes a note.

Writes a couple things down. Yeah, see, coach, we're idiots, you know? Yeah, we're idiots. If you want to take the 25 whistles parlay, you can check out Drafking Sportsbook. New users use the code Bobby Sports when you download the app. There you go. Use the code Bobby Sports. Thank you.

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You know watching him? No. Uh-uh. You see him push Tate him? Yes, he's like trolling. It's so funny. Grant played at Tennessee where he was an All-American before being drafted by the Celtics

in the first round of 2019. You can follow Grant on Instagram at Grant Will 2. Here is Hornets. Power Forward. Grant, good to see you. Appreciate your time. Thank you for having to. How often do you just walk down the street

and somebody's like, sign this? Does that happen a lot? In New York it happens more, I feel like the normal, but that's just because it's a sports city. Is it weird because on a much lower level, like if I'm going to do it like a comedy show music show. People will bring stuff and I know they're going to sell it. Like I, it's like when a 53 year old dude comes up with something to sign. Like I know and my stuff won't go for as much as yours.

No, maybe maybe. No, no, I won't at all. But isn't it, doesn't that feel a little weird? Like, you know all you're doing sign is something that some dude is just probably going to flip real quick. It depends. Like, I always check, like, when I'm in during the season, if I see a blue marker, I typically don't sign. So if it's black or gold or something like that will sign it, but blue I typically don't sign it. Why is that? Blue is what typically gets sold. That's what I got told. You think about Panini cards, we sign a blue marker. And everything that typically, like, you see online is to be in blue. So I'll tell my son not to carry a blue marker.

Yeah, if you don't carry a blue marker, we're pretty good on getting the signature. So we live in Nashville, Tennessee. How do you feel about Barnes? How you feel about the program now? I feel like they're doing great. I don't know how many years Barnes got left in them. I feel like if they're going to be in bad, I feel like Barnes is going to step away. But I think that at the same time, they're one of the best teams in the country every year.

So don't stay competitive. this year it's going to be different because there's team full of transfers and freshmen. So I'm excited what Coach Barnes is going to be able to do with that group. And I wish years past that adult year is probably their best year to do it. What about NIL? Do you wish that had been way more prevalent whenever you were playing? Yeah, let's just say I was a three-star recruit. So it's not like I was getting repaid out of high school like some guys.

So if I would definitely have went back, I'd definitely would have made probably $2 million or something like that that year, especially after the two back-to-back agency player of the years. But NIL didn't kick in until two years after I left school. So after COVID, technically I could have been a super senior, but I wouldn't have wanted to be in school that long. As far as fitness goes, what do you do when it's not time to do you officially? Like, how are you staying in shape? Honestly, it starts with just like the biking and stuff like that, like cycling and golfing.

I like trying to stay active. Walks, honestly, I enjoy being in Europe because it's a walkable city, New York, places like that, because you can get around, use a metro subway, and just kind of move around. I'm not really the guy that walks around with security or really worries about anything. thing. So that's probably the reason why I love being in the city like this. So it's been really fun. When the season gets closer, how do you change your regimen? Ramp up everything else. Diet is probably the number one thing for me, just because working out, I always will do. But eating is probably my biggest kryptonite. So figuring out what you're eating, how much you're eating, that's probably

my number one thing for fitness. How many shots you need to get up a session? Do you have a number or is it a feel? It's more so feel, but at the same time, I typically get like 200, 300, at least in that one time of day and maybe I go back. But, you know, over time, it was thousands. And it just depends on what time the season you're in and what you think you need. What do you feel like you bring now at this stage of your career? Honestly, just a veteran mentality, defense, physicality, shooting, spacing, and honestly, just hopefully a chance of winning, like a winning mentality and culture to be able to set. When you say a veteran, a really young team, like until Van Fleet, went to Houston, like that was a very, very, very young team.

Yes. Are there, do teams actually need veterans to keep people in line? It's not even about keeping people in line, but I think it's necessary because it gives guys perspective and it also gives guys a blueprint. You know, when you're just a young group, a young group of guys, you're all competing for the same spots. You're not really worried about winning. You're not really caring about team outlook.

You're worried about what girl you're going to talk to and you don't know what girl to avoid. It's just a lot going on. So honestly, it's crucial that we have vets on every team. It's something that I'm actually trying to, talk to the league about and make sure that it's either a staple or something like that going on because having a Taj Gipps and a Markeith Morris, that you don't as has them, like, people like that in the locker room gives you not only the history of the league and what you've been

through, but also might give you perspective during the game. Like, when I got to Charlotte, I was like, Brandon, get to know the referees. Like, no one's ever told them that. But, like, talk to them, learn their names. You've called Mr. Ruff. You're going to be with them for the next 20 years of your life. Like, these guys don't change, so get to know them. So, like, these are the things that I feel like when you're a young team, you don't really get to hear.

and veterans, I think, are really crucial in every team of the league. Year 1 to year 2. You're talking about Brandon Miller, I'm assuming? Yes. Like Nick Smith, you know, those kind of guys. Year 1, I'm assuming eyes wide open. Like, it's just I'm in the freaking NBA and making money. What's the difference in growth, even from your year one to year two?

What will they experience going into the second year? It's that second year where everybody kind of understands your game now and you have to continue to improve. My first year, I wasn't necessarily labeled as a shooter. And that second year I came in as a really good shooter. and it's just a matter of continued improvement and trying to make your mark in the league because you might have a great first year. I had a great rookie year.

My second year wasn't what I wanted to be. So it's just a matter of maintaining that same consistent mentality of competitiveness and honestly focusing in on what's important and making sure the basketball is your main thing. Can you actually, if you focus on a specific skill, can you return to the NBA the next year with a new skill in your bag

that they were not used to you having last year? Absolutely. Like I think I've improved year over year, especially with my handle and perimeter skills, playmaking ability, and then shooting for sure in my life. And honestly, just getting more comfortable on the floor and understanding where your strengths are, what spots you want to get to. And it takes time. You know, some of their best players don't really have their best years to their eighth and ninth year. So you look at the guy like Jeremy Grant, he's always improved. He's always going to be that continued improvement, especially when you're young.

I was a 20-year-old rookie and people thought I was old, like I was 24. I was like, nope, I'm probably the same age as most of these guys. I just went to school for three years. So there's always something you can improve on. And I think that, you know, I always make the joke. You know, people made fun of J.B.'s left hand that year. And then I was said next year is all he was doing is driving left. So you can really improve your game.

Last question. As a kid watching basketball, like your Mount Rushmore, the four players that you watch the most. It's funny because you're going to laugh at my names because none of them were the cool ones. Like I was a Boris Gial fan. Wow. Yeah.

I was funny because Draymond Green was time when he was one of my favorite players. Honestly, I enjoyed guys that were my position, my size. So honestly, Chuck Hayes is another name. And the last one, at least, a guy that I could never play like was Jamal Crawford. Was there a chance for you to ever, your first year or two in the league? You ever get to do something cool? Like in the Olympics, we saw KD throw out. Oh, I was there this past year. Oh, this year. I was interviewing the guys. I have video of me after the game because I was with olympics.com. So I was able to be down there after step and all those different games. I was asking questions like they were like part of my french uh steve curbs like what the eff are you doing here

and i was like i was like you know just on the media side you're having a good time jeperick can do that in a game though we're like somebody that was a hero of yours you uh you know thom and aloeup or play against him and you were like this is kind of cool this in my life my first my rookie year was kemble walker i grew up and i watched kimbo as i grew up and then all of a sudden i get drafted himself as he signs there like i told him stories about how he was at providence day school working out and i was a ninth grade kid walked up to him and july i did I introduced myself, and he had no idea and remember it, but he was the nicest guy to me at basketball camps too when I was young.

It was just like, I told him, I said, these things matter. So that's why I try to tell every rookie. Like, you never know who you're going to meet. You never know who you're going to talk to. So try to treat everybody with respect. And at the day of the day, you might change someone's whole trajectory of their life just by one conversation. That's awesome.

That's how I feel about you and me right now. You changed my whole trajectory. Just one conversation. I appreciate your stopping. Thank you very much. The NBA is finally back. A new season means new ways to get into the action at Draft King Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA.

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Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but say, celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and a TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The 2026 NFL draft is here and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Roderig after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh. We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my

favorite picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the free IHeart Radio. app. Open the app, search NFL Daily, and listen now. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and our Stars, and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel

was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon, and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, heck of a show so far, boys. We've got two final things to talk about. Number one, the new pickleball rankings have been released.

Casey, do you play pickleball? I never actually play pickleball, but I dabbled in tennis. I know you've said that before. We definitely would let you play with us. We're not like having a group chat and letting you watch us have the group chat without being a part of it. Yeah, next time you guys do it, let me know. Problem is, it gets pretty competitive.

You almost need a couple, Eddie's wearing the goldfish. I love it, dude. Well, I have to. I'm the goal to. You are the goldfish. And I didn't show up to the last session, so I didn't move ranking, obviously.

You need to become a part of us. He's got to get a couple reps in. Yeah. And maybe it's just like, you come over, just a little hit. Cardio, you know. Just a little hit and teach you the rules. Do you know the rules pick a ball?

No. Have you heard of the kitchen? No. Stay out of a mother. Yeah. Don't even think about it. Here. I need to do this dramatic for the internet clip too.

Okay. Okay. Here are the new pickleball rankings as of the date of, insert date here. Oh, dramatic. Thank you. Number one, still holding me. Thank you. No surprise there.

Number two. country superstar George Burge Superstar He's got one number one I don't know That's a bangor Leave that in the clip

When Eddie He insults George Burge Number two That's more than we have You're right Number three First time on the list Music producer

Ross Coperman Oh wow Yes first time And he shows up at number three He has his three Mentor appearances He has his three You gotta have three appearances

to make the list He had his third appearance, you weren't out there on Sunday. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Ross Copperman probably has like 20 number one songs. It's a lot of number ones.

At number four, kickoff Kevin. Hey! A solid number four, though. I'll take that. Like Ken Challenge for three and two. I'll take that. I had a rough day on Wednesday. Rough day.

Yeah, I pounded up pretty good. He did. And so did. And so to George. Yeah, yeah. Not going to lie. Well, that sounds terrible. Yeah.

Yeah. At number five. He's a human. He's also a gator. Gator Harrison. Nice. At number six of eight, the former goldfish.

That's right, baby. Reed. That's right, there it is, I'm nice job. Thank you. Thank you. That's very good.

Thanks, guys. At number seven, falling because of injury, Kevin Klu. Now, he did play in a tournament over the weekend that wasn't us and he played pretty well. That is a count.

Correct, but he's been injured and he's still, I think, on one leg better than the next person. That's weird. At number eight. We're in the goldfish. The lowest.

Last in the league. The caboose. Eddie. I'm sorry, Eddie. He's wearing the goldfish. I'm coming to get you boys, though. I will be coming. I'm doing some training in my backyard.

It doesn't take much to take over. Right in front of me over here. I got an injured guy and I got ready. Yeah, I mean, you can move up. you can move up. So that is the current pickleball list of whatever. We can play whenever,

whenever you guys want. Because our train, I mean, Klug's out of town for whatever days. Oh, so we can get him? No, I'm saying we can play

whenever we're normally supposed to work out. Oh, good point. Do you want to play today? What time three? Yeah. Maybe like 2.30. Okay.

Could you do that? Yeah, possibly. I cannot. Kevin? Falling down the ranks. That's okay. Read? The most important question.

Read? Could? Because he's doing the podcast with us today. Okay. Cool. We got to find a fourth though that can play normally. We'll see.

George isn't in town. Yeah. I can text Ross. Okay. We'll see what's up. Let me know. Let me see if I can find it for it. Because we got, Mike and I have a podcast.

We have to go do anyway in a few minutes. And then, uh, man, we're doing one now too. Literally, it's all. That's all idea. Okay. So thank you. That's pickleball rankings. And I'm going to do one more thing.

And, um, it's a little something I'm dabbling with. I call it the oddly numbered list. It's a list of things that just has an odd number to the list. And my oddly numbered list this week is most irrelevant NFL teams. And the list is, well, only four teams. It's an odd number for a list, I know. These are the four most irrelevant teams according to me.

And number four, the Raiders. They don't have a quarterback. Well, and that makes you pretty irrelevant. Yeah, yeah. That's all you need. That'll do it. they don't win. That hurts. Also, they're in a city

where there's so much going on unless you're really good. You kind of, you just exist. You don't matter. There's a difference in existing and mattering. And the Raider, they have a star in Brock Bowers,

they have a star on Max Crosby, but unless you have a quarterback, you don't have much. They don't have a coach, as far as like a coach that has any winning under his belt. I mean, he went in as the interim last year.

Yeah. They have a big owner. the son, the son of the... No, Tom Brady. Oh. I got Tom, which is ironic. No quarterback, but you got the greatest of all times. He's so new, though. He's so new. Number four on my list, the Raiders.

And number three, the Titans. Oh. And that's hard to do because they... We can see their freaking house right here. They're neighbors. We can look out the window and there they are. But when you don't win... And even when they were winning,

they were just kind of winning, and they were winning very much. boring? They were yeah. It wasn't, there was no, nothing dynamic about when the,

even when the Titans had a decent team. The low, like the, the logo, the Titan, it's kind of boring. Now everything's kind of boring. Yeah,

you're right. When it wasn't before really, but now, yeah, it's all good. It did, like nobody cares about. I'll just say us

because we're here, nobody cares about the Titans. Good or bad. Nobody hates the Titans. And unless you're like a super fan, you live here, nobody loves them. and that's the worst one.

There's no feeling about you. Yeah. You want people to hate you because you, you want people to feel at you like I do, Texas. It's like people feel good for them when they win. Oh, good for them. Oh, that's a pat on the back. That's the worst.

I know. And that's what the Titans have right now. Number three, irrelevant franchises, the Tennessee Titans. Number two, the Arizona Cardinals. And you know, they even have a quarterback, but they're in a weird time zone. So that affects, when you're not good, and they kind of were supposed to be good,

and then they get a draft pick that's supposed, and they don't even get them the ball. It's just a bunch of weird. There's always weirdness with that group. They fire Cliff and Cliff like rebuilds. When they get the grades for like cafeteria food and equipment, they're like D's and Fs. It's weird.

Like whatever's happening out there is weird. I feel like the entire state of Arizona, when it comes to sports, like do you ever really think Interesting. Let me think about that. They made the World Series. Right. You forget about that.

Their hockey team left them. They went to Utah. Who were they? The coyotes? Yeah. Yeah. And then their basketball team, the whistle chasers.

You don't even know of them. They're an NBA team. You never heard of them. That's how much you don't even know. Exactly. So the Cardinals, and that's a tough one because they do have a quarter right. People should know and feel good. Got a great tight end.

They do have a Marvin Harrison Jr.? Like they have, and still they're not. Yeah. And number two, the Arizona Cardinals. and my number one is obviously and easily the Carolina Panthers. That is a black hole

for anybody that goes to that team that has a future ahead of them because they don't anymore. You want to go there in your twilight years. You want to go there because they'll actually pay for you and other teams won't.

And this is no shot like an Adam Thielen because I think... That's what I was thinking. Were you? Like Adam Thielen could have gone and been the number four receiver a lot of places.

But when he left Minnesota, where did he go to be the number two one and a half? The Panthers because they were going to pay him because nobody wants to go there so they'll pay people. Yeah they want to leave so bad they go to the Cowboys Jonathan Mingo your boy Mingo I like Mingo though I really do

and I think the reason that some people don't is because he's been a panther. Sure. Like don't hold against him what he hasn't been able to do when his whole team hasn't been able to do look at Baker everybody gave up on him look at Sam Darnold everybody gave up on him gave up on them. I think

Jonathan Mingo's going to the Cowboys kind of suck but you think Cooper Rush and Jonathan Mingo can take us to the playoffs?

Trey Lance. If it's Trey Lance, they've given up. Yeah, but it'd be fun. I want to see it. Why not?

I can sign up for that. I would like to see it too but if the Cowboys still want to actually play to try to make the playoffs which there is an outside shot they can, it's Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush wins games.

He does. He did last year. Yeah. But number one is the Carolina Panthers. Anything going in, I feel bad for you. Anything coming out, I have hope for you.

Like I watched, and I didn't get to watch a lot of the Panthers game because Bryce Young started. They won, right? They beat the Saints. It's pretty cool. I root for Bryce Young. Same reason I root for these other mamajama as I've been talking about. People are like, he sucks now. Bryce Young doesn't suck.

But I watched one of his interceptions, and they're like, it was a funny meme. It was like, throws another interception. And it's Bryce Young. He didn't get right in the numbers, him fumbling it. in the defensive back. So I was super happy for Bryce. I hope he gets out of there. And I hope he's able to have a second life,

but a very young second life. Remember Sam Darnold's very young. He's 16. It feels like he's 51, but he's 16 years old. Number one, most irrelevant is the Carolina Panthers. Yeah, that's fair. Anybody that I left off the list

you thought should have been added to the irrelevant list? I consider the Giants, but they're New York, so it doesn't matter. What about the Saints? I'm surprising to put the Saints here. Well, they're the greatest team ever after week two. Right. After week two.

Yeah. And they have won a Super Bowl and they have Drew. That's the Patriots. No, people still hate the Patriots. Okay. No, but irrelevant. People are. Irrelevant.

But I think there's a difference. Irrelevance means general disinterest. I think some people are interested in the Saints losing because it's funny because they've been so good for so long. Yeah. Or it's a story because the Saints now, or not, excuse me, the Saints now suck. Patriots now suck. But yeah.

So I don't think the Patriots are at all. Still a little relevant? I think the Patriots are at all. I think they're very relevant. They just aren't good. Yeah. Drake May is promising. The Jaguars are getting back to where they were.

They were probably going to be number five for me. Yeah. They're back. And it's funny, when they lose, I think their colors are so ugly and their logo is terrible. It's the same thing with the Titans. But when they start winning, I'm like, that's pretty cool, man. Is that gold in there?

That's a good-looking helmet right there. That color way, when they go to England, they know what's up. Yeah, so, yeah, that's it. I think we're good. You guys hope you have a great weekend. Thank you for listening to the show. Go follow us at Bobby Bone Sports. We put up a bunch of clips.

Good luck on the pickleball, everybody. Yeah, good luck. And I'm telling you if you want to win, no, I can't say that. So I didn't say anything. If you want to win it in life, focus. My next sentence is, what I feel really great about

is Tennessee covering that. Love it. Good. In Knoxville, at Neeland, when Mississippi State comes to town. I feel really good about that one. I feel like you have extra small. miles when it's over. All right, that's all we got.

All right, we'll see you guys next time. Thanks to coach. And thanks to you guys. Bye, buddy. Eddie Bold to whistle, please. I got you. All right, bye, buddy. Theme song written by Bobby Bones. That's me. And performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on socials at Brandon Ray Music. You can follow the show on Instagram at Bobby Bone Sports.

Thanks to our crew. Co-host at Producer Eddie. Segment producer at Kickoff Kevin. Video producer at Reed Yarberry. an executive producer at Mike DeStro. But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time here on 25 whistles.

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