The Bobby Bones Show - 25W: Which Teams Duo Has Been More Dynamic: Celtics or Mavs? + St. Louis Recap & Jim Edmonds + Most Memorable Injury List

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

With the Celtics closing out their series last night, and the Mavs on the verge of sweeping the Timberwolves, Bobby discusses which duo has been more dynamic: Tatum & Brown or Luka & Kyrie. Plus, the guys recap their visit from St. Louis for "Too Much Access" and sit down with Jim Edmonds from his home to talk about his career, baseball, and much more! And following Eddie's broken foot, Bobby reads a list of the worst sports injuries over the years to compare!   Follow the Show: @25Whistles   Follow the Crew: @MrBobbyBones @ProducerEddie @KickoffKevin @MikeDeestro @ReidYarberry  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Coming up, Jim Edmonds, Cardinals Hall of Famer. One of the most dynamic center filters I've ever seen in my whole life. I hated him, then I loved him, then I loved him. That's the order. Oh, boom. Hated him first? No, actually, I was amazed by him as an angel. Then hated him as a cardinal, then loved him as a cub.

Then now it's just awesome. But we're here. We went to his house. Don't we blow the whistle? Hit it. Let's go. And Eddie sent me the dumbest what they call show prep

in the history of this show show prep. What is that? We will get to that. But first, let's do the tittle tattle. After our visit to Bush Stadium last weekend, where do you rank the stadium in your stadium power rankings? Now, is it stadiums I've just been to

or stadiums that we've been to as a group that we've had extra access? Just you baseball stadiums. Well, Wrigley's number one. Oh, yeah. Overall, if I'm just going. I mean, Wrigley's awesome. And I'm a Cubs fan.

So. We've been to Fenway. Mm-hmm. Wrigley, Fenway. Fenway's awesome. Just because it's old. Yes. And even if it's not old, it still looks like it did when it was old.

And when you see the monster with your own eyes, like, that's pretty crazy. It's cool. Mm-hmm. But I think Bush Stadium's in baseball stadiums, three. But I'm thinking to other ones I've, I've been to, I've been to, I've been to, you've been to, Yankee. I've been to New Kimisky, I've been to the Pittsburgh?

Um, three, I've been to the, I think, oh, no. Back when it was three rivers. No, haven't. I've probably been to like 12 baseball stadiums. What about Petco Park in San Diego? Very underrated. I swear, dude, that stadium's awesome. Really?

Awesome. I'm going to put it at three on my baseball stadium list. The only thing that's cool about Yankee Stadium now is that you get off the subway and it's just right there. That's pretty awesome. It is awesome. Like, you come right out. of the hole and it's like Yankee Stadium.

And then when you go to the game, you're in there with a bunch of fans. Like the the whole subway is packed with a bunch of Yankee fans. That part's cool. I'm not a Yankee fan. What I could respect. I'm more of just a National League guy anyway because I was just National League in my whole life. Interesting. National League in. Yeah, I've been down to the

Braves. Oh, cool. But I'm going to put Bush. What about Camden Yards, Baltimore? Never been there. I don't know that I've even been to Baltimore. Yeah, we spend the night in Baltimore one night. I know that because Justin the suit went to the casino there, but that's it. Like touring and we just stayed there?

I think we were flying out of Baltimore the next morning, so we stayed there. I've been to the Baltimore airport. Does that count, though, when you trust? No. Like a layover? We just had to stay the night in hotel. We probably did a show in D.C. It could only get a Baltimore flight, so then we went and, no, it doesn't count.

Doesn't count. I'm putting Bush at three. Okay. It's hard for me to do because I don't even hate the cardinals. I just grew up hating the Cardinals. I'm an adult man now. Those people are just athletes that are either drafted or hired by the Cardinals. Right.

They have no choice. And I have to tell myself that sometimes. But yeah, Bush is really good. It's the new Bush Stadium. It's really cool. And maybe it's just cool because we got to go. But it was awesome. So that's Bush 3?

Is that what I was reading? Yeah, it is Bush 3, I believe. Because there was Bush 2 is the last one. They shut down. George W. No, no, that's a different bush. That's a different spelling. Yeah, that's true too.

This is named after the Bush. What's the coolest football stadium you ever been to? Oh, you know. Come on. Oh, God boy, man. Cowboy Stadium. I think you have to pull your personal out. Okay. All right, that's going to be tough.

Because I would say my favorite place on Earth is Reynolds' Razorback Stadium, but I wouldn't even think in that. So you can't use it. I think out in front of the stadium in Tuscaloosa, where they have the trophies, or the trophies, the statues of everybody who won a national championship, that's freaking cool. And when they walk,

down during Sweet Home Alabama. That's pretty cool. The stadium's big. That's really cool. Like Alabama's the environment's really neat. You know, Oklahoma, they have statues of their Heisman winners. They have a lot of Heisman winners. Kind of bizarre.

How many Heisman winners Oklahoma has. But Alabama, really cool. We went to Death Valley. Is that what called? Beth Valley? LSU? That was really cool. But you didn't watch a game there.

We were there for a concert. Yeah, the game there. the games are really loud. I mean, they're, but I don't know that I like that stadium.

I feel like it's just crazy because everybody's drunk and it's Baton Rouge. Yeah. And they're jambalaya. Yeah, it's purple. Soldier Field's super cool.

Chicago. When you drive by it on the interstate and then you go and you get in it and you're like, huh. Well,

what's the, huh? It's kind of old. I don't know. Yeah. Like you feel the old? If it's old and like they left some

of like the personalized old or like the but I don't feel like Soldier Field really has that charm of something old it just is kind of sucky and maybe because I'm not a Bears fan

because when Wrigley before they started new it was a dog crab stadium but it was the best it's weird because outside the stadium it kind of looks like a Supreme Court House it does right? Yeah, just drive on columns and stuff really?

Soldier Yeah soldier yeah the Cowboy Stadium's good though it is it just feels pretty clinical it's clean and new screens everywhere. Have you been to Neeland? Tennessee, the Valls?

Oh, no. That one's cool. I mean, he's a big fan. I know. I'm just saying, I'm taking my bias out, don't worry. But it's still really,

it's still really cool. It's on the river. Like, it's awesome. Did you ever go to the Astrodome? Yes, no, no, but I went to the Astros. I went to Enron when it was in on field.

Same state. Miner made. I never even heard of that. Enron, and then it went to Minamade. Oh. Yeah. Was Enron? What is that?

Enron was the company like the big scam that screwed people out of billions of dollars. It sounds like an oil company. It was an oil company. Was it really? Yes. Something like that.

Okay. But unfair to ask me that question because I pick my personal teams number one and then recent teams number two. So it's a tough question to answer. All right, go ahead. With some big names still remaining, who is the biggest NFL freed and surprise still available?

You know, running backs don't really surprise me because it does feel like you can just grab and you all running back off the heap and they do okay unless they are extremely dynamic. but in the running back world Dalvin Cook but he didn't really do much with the Jets

but they didn't really give him a lot of opportunity to do much with the Jets but also the Jets didn't do much Yeah Cam Acres is not with the team right now Karim Hunt not with the team and he came back

to Cleveland for a minute didn't he? At the very end yeah like he like hey what's up hey Kareem's back all the season's over Shub got hurt yeah

Hunter Renfro man that guy like dominated Receiver? Yeah. And then just dropped off. Isn't that crazy? And you'd see TikToks with these other receivers or even DBs would be like, that dude's a dog, Hunter Remphro, that dog's for,

and then it was like as soon as I drafted him, my fantasy team, he sucked. He's a little guy, right? Relative, little guy? No, no, no, I think he's like smaller than most receivers. Yeah, he's also white, so it makes him look slow and small. Automatically. Yeah, if you're a white receiver, you just kind of look like you suck. Okay.

The Packers linemen. that went to Aaron Rogers wedding. Bacquitiari. I guess I'm surprised he's still a free agent. Those lineman positions are in need, unless he just isn't good anymore. But I don't know there's a big wide receiver that I think, or even a play.

I mean, Michael Thomas. Talk about dropping off. Big time. But he got hurt. He was awesome for a bit. He got hurt and then came back and he was supposed to have a decent year last year. But again...

Then he got like weird. He got in trouble and did some weird on-field stuff in practice. I don't know there's anybody that I'm screaming. I'm surprised that they're a free agent right now. But I am ready for some freaking football now. Like I'm ready. We're almost there. Yeah, what else you got?

All right. Going to basketball here, which dominant duo is impress you more in the conference finals. Tatum and Brown or Luca and Kyrie. This is easy. It's Luca and Kyrie. Okay. Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer. Sorry, I didn't say that loud, did I?

You did. Tatum scored 30 points twice. One of those, though, was in like the fifth overtime. when all he had to do was make like a layup a day and he got 30 points. But I'm not even hating. Jaylon had 40 points in a game. Pretty cool. I guess the expectation is just there because they're playing the junior highs.

I think we could score 30 a game. Stop. Don't say stuff over on the east. That's not fair. With the boot or without. It's not fair. Luke and Kyrie are legit. And you know what?

After they score game winners, the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth time in the past 25 games, it's not lucky anymore. be honest though, I think Kyrie is shining more than Luca. Luca's just coming up at that right time to hit those shots that they need. They're complimenting each other well. There is nobody as fast as Kyrie with the ball on a break. There's nobody. I mean, I'm going to go Luca

and Kyrie because the expectation wasn't there. And also, they're playing better teams. Again, the Celtics have beat us. That's why they went four, they've lost two games in three series. Right? Then they go 4-1, 40-4-1. Yeah. They played us.

Do you think you guys can win? Yeah. You think you'll be to be it. Yeah. By the way, I was wrong. You guys are going to be the favorite over Dallas. Really? I figured Dallas would be.

It was pretty close, but Detroit was the favorite. What's odd is? Is the game for tonight? Yes. Okay. So, Celtics already won there. Detroit was the favorite?

Sorry, not Detroit. Dallas. Thank you. It was like Detroit? I don't know, dude. The worst team in the NBA? They are the favorite. Did they finish the worst? They did, yeah. Two years in a row.

Yeah, the D, man. I'm fascinated with the D. My point is, I think I forgot my point. Yeah, we'll have to move on because I had a good point. And now I forgot the point. All right, next question. All right, last one here. Speaking of the Celtics, after two come from behind wins,

now do you believe their inability to close close games is over? I believe that the teams they've been playing haven't been able to close games. Just a bunch of haters. I'm not a hater. Look who they're playing against. I know all season they've been the best team in the NBA. But they're playing Eastern Conference teams. They're playing, for the most part.

I'm not a hater of the Celtics. I'm not a Celtic hater. And if they win, good for them, they deserve to win. They've been close many times. I'm not going to bet on them to win. Matter of fact, I bet Minnesota to come back. Oh, did you? Oh, that's a great bet, dude.

I put 50 bucks on the Timberwolves to come back 03. That means they win four in a row, but 50 bucks makes $5.50. And anything is possible. except that's never happened before, I think. It has a baseball. Red Sox. Yeah, that's right. I think that the Pacers and a 26-year-old Jason Tatum is starting to mature into the player he is.

And I think that also they're able to close games. They're just better than the teams they're playing. And I think that there's such a disparity in the Celtics versus the Pacers, especially without a Halliburton. When Nimhart is your guy. He looked good. He did look good, but they had nobody else. when, because before the Pacers, it was...

The Knicks. No, no, no. Caves, I'm sorry, yeah. Even worse. Yeah, even worse. Gosh. They don't have... There's nobody.

Yeah, but Celtics are missing Porzingis? But Porzziens was the adding Chris Bosch to an already awesome team with... And it didn't... This wasn't the order, but LeBron... It's like LeBron and Wade and you add Bosch. Bosch was gone, you're not like, well, we suck now. You're like, dang, imagine if we had posh.

Oh, I agree. I mean, obviously, yeah, they had the advantage. advantage, but I'm just saying. He lost two games. One quarter and grab his hip and be done. I kind of wanted him to play a little bit just because that's such a long time off to come back into the finals. This is what I was going to say. Listen to this.

This system is broken because if it goes 4-0 tonight, there's not another game until the 6th. And they won't start the series early. They're just waiting until the 6th. And everybody's just chilling. Oh, man, they can't let that happen. Basically like you take a vacation. It'll be the 29th, 30th, 31st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th. It's like 9 days.

So that's why the refs are really going to push toward a Minnesota win. Oh, yeah. I agree with that. Conspiracy. That's why I threw a little money on it. And that's why you're scratch on that. It's pretty good. 50, 50 to 5.50.

Yeah, it's kind of been a boring. Yeah. Final four. Very strange. Western Conference finals. We were getting off the flight game two, Dallas, Minnesota. And it was right in the last 10 seconds or so of the game. And Eddie walks to his car and Minnesota pretty much sewed it up.

I turn it on, I put it on ESPN and do the old, I watch it on ESPN. And that was the Luca. The Gowler went to. Oh, my God. So stupid, man. I just, I felt your pain. So stupid. I saw my bet go from like a cash out of like $50 down to like $20.

Now I don't even think there's a cash out. I would also like to say that I did say Luke is the best player remaining whenever we picked ours. I did not jump on the, let's go ahead and declare aunt that dude. Although he is that dude. He's just getting a little tired. He's also tired. He's gassed. Get the guy a sleep number.

Something, man. Let him take a nap. Sleep number.com slash bones. Yes, thank you. All right, that's the tittle title. Get it out. We're going to take a break, and we'll come back, and we'll talk about our St. Louis trip a little bit

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Okay, so before we get into our interview with Jim Edmonds, I will say the St. Louis, too much access was, I do believe it's the most fun we've ever shot. Oh, it's so much fun, dude. So much fun. I don't know one that would have been more fun as a participant. I don't know about you guys. You guys, I mean, Kevin's running the show, Reed's shooting everything. Yeah. I don't know about you guys doing that, but my part of it, I do think that was the most fun one that we've ever done. But surrounding it with going to Jim Edmont's house, with doing the podcast outside the stadium,

with going in the stadium, hanging out with Paul Goldschmidt, who then we do a bit, and I have his bat, and then he goes on a tear all weekend. Thank you, you're welcome. You're welcome. Yes. You know, and Eddie hurt his foot. Yes, all that fun stuff.

Well, the foot thing wasn't fun. No, it was not. And going to the game afterwards. True. Although it did get rained out. And it not happening. Did get rained down. All that to say, Mikey did not get to go.

No. Which is probably why I got hurt. Let's be real. Level of FOMO? On a scale 1 to 10, 10. All the pictures you guys posed looked amazing. And I wasn't there for any of it.

I know. And I felt bad for you, but really, I was having so much fun, I didn't feel that. I forgot to feel bad for you sometimes. I feel like you guys completely forgot about me.

It's fine. We did. I mean, before and after we remembered you. There's even like a picture of all four of you guys. We've never taken a group picture like that. Yeah, yeah.

It was awesome. It was like so legit. It was like so legit. And we're not just saying that because it was so legit. Yeah. But Eddie did, like, fracture a bone on the outside of his foot. Yeah, I didn't find out that I fractured it until, was that Saturday?

No. It started swelling up. Sunday, Sunday. It took a shoe off, it looked like baseball was underneath the skin. I knew something was wrong as soon as it happened because as soon as I jumped up and it landed on the base. What happened was bones, I'll break it down for you guys. Bones. I'm going to give you the real story after Eddie tells you the lie.

I'll tell you the real story. Bones was throwing the ball to me, and I was at second. I was playing second base. throws the ball on me. It's way overthrown so I stretch, jump as high as I can, stretch up. I still miss the ball. And on the way down, my toe, my big toe

side hits the corner of the base and rolls my ankle over and I get full body weight on my ankle. And I'll tell you... By the way, it's nobody's fault you hurt your foot, by the way, somebody throws a ball high. It's just you coming down on a bag. But that's not even the real story, but go ahead. Finish short thing. Anyway, so when I

landed full body weight, I can hear... I heard a crunch. Okay. How was your foot hitting the bag? No, I'm not kidding, dude. I heard like a crunch, and I was like, this is not good. But that was early into us shooting. So we still played catch for like another 10 minutes there. We caught pop flies for another 20 minutes out in the outfield.

And then Bones goes, hey, lastly, let's race around the base. And I was like, man, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't think I can do that. And I said, I respect that. So we didn't. So we didn't do it. And then I faked it pretty good until we got to the, like, left the stadium. Then once we left the stadium, I'm like, dude, I can't walk.

This is hard. But then he walked all during the game the whole time. He did. And he said, it got it better. So this is what really happened. Eddie wasn't near the base where he should have been. And even the coach yelled, hey, there's a base to, Eddie. Get over to the base.

So where I threw it is where he should have been. We were turning to, you know, I guys do playing the infill. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. So, but also, it's just an age thing, man. When I get your age, I'm going to be careful to you. Yeah, it's next year, dude. And I'm going to start being careful. I'm going to start being careful next year.

but we did go to Jim Edmund's house the night before and got to his house and like going downstairs we go downstairs into his basement and there's like I don't know arcade games arcade games bowling alley

arcade games bowling alley pop a shot there's a batting cage there was another ball player who came over just to hit wasn't even set up pretty awesome yeah just literally started hitting you just hear while we were there balls getting hit

yeah pack pack yeah it was great So I'm going to play this interview we did with Jim Edmonds And the fact that he let us come over And hung out with us so long And then just kind of You know, let me ask every question I ever had

About that era in baseball was super cool Because I had a lot I could have done another hour I think he probably could have done another hour too But they had a dinner to get to Yes Went for that dinner, man We'd probably still be interviewing right now

Right now Yeah here he is Jim Edmonds Before we came over to your house which by the way this place is crazy. It's like a fantasy land for sports fans, kids. Us. Me, I'm a mix of those two. I'm like a hybrid kid sports fan.

We stopped at a card shop and we were in the, I like sports memorabilia, but over on a wall I saw this and I bought it for 20 bucks. It's a Jim Edmunds bobblehead. So 2014 you were inducted into the Cardinals Hall of Fame. Do you remember this night when they gave away the Jim Edmunds bobbleheads? Yeah, because I had like, five cases of them in the back of my car.

And I bought a known. What is it? We haven't opened it yet. That's what I told Bobby to. I'm like, don't you think Jim has a bunch of these already? Yeah, but it wasn't, this wasn't about Jim. Oh, it's gonna make a mess. Well, this was about seeing it and going, oh, this is cool.

Okay. Hard to do one-handed, huh? Yeah, it's not. Does it look just like Jim? Look at this. Oh, I don't know. They never do. It's like the statues.

They unveil in front of stadium. And it's supposed to be Kobe. And you're like, who's that? That's nothing like Kobe. He's got a neck brace on. Look at this. Running into the wall. Here it is.

He's still bumbling. What does he look like? Number 15. It's kind of close, I guess. I guess she'd have to ask my wife. She would be the judge, but did you ever, you ever go into, because we went to a car shop and got this, did you ever go into a car shop and they're like, holy crap, that's Jim Evan?

Yeah, sometimes. Do you ever have to sign everything that your face is on in there? No, no. That's what I would do. If I were running and you walked in, be like, were you sign all this stuff? Yeah, it's kind of cool because, you know, they're pretty respectful at a point. But when my son, he's now 18, when he was younger, he was obsessed with all that stuff. And so I'd go in there and take him and kind of just show him to that I was up there, but all the guys were up there.

And then they would see me and they would be like, I'll give him anything he wants. If you're saying a couple pictures, yeah. Would your son think, would your son around? Like, did he understand, I guess he was at that age where he like knew what was going on, right? When you were playing still in like a good party to career? He was born at the end. Really? So, yeah.

So he got to, he knows everything about when I worked for the Cardinals. I was his assistant to the president for Moselleck for a few years. And then COVID hit kind of messed all that up like it did for all of us. But I did that and TV. So I was able to go in, bring him work in the dugout in the locker room, batting practice. And then batting practice over at shower and go upstairs into the TV booth. And then COVID hit, shut all that down. and then it was never the same sense, so I just kept doing TV.

But, you know, they're really good about families there. So they let Lannon in. They'll let him on the field and jagfly balls or whatever. It's a little different when you're not in there, in there. So it's hard for me to, like, you know, let him go on his own, even though he's old enough and he knows everyone. But, yeah, that was kind of the whole idea for me still working was to give him that extra chance to be around it. Does he understand how dynamic a player you were? Or does he just have to hear your stories and roll his eyes?

I don't know. I don't tell him anything. He will show me a bit. He'll go like, hey, look what my friend sent me. Or hey, look what I saw. He'll be like, um, such and such game was on this channel. And I saw you got two hits, but you struck out on a fastball right down the middle. I'm like, yeah, I know how that feels them. I was there. Yeah. Do you see you in him when he plays ball now? Can you see some of the same traits? Yeah. Except he's already faster than I was. He can, he runs the base is like a madman. It's weird because he's a little bit shorter than I am. I mean, he's only, you know, he's going to be a senior. He's only 5'9, but he can fly. And that's something I never can do. I can never run. He doesn't have my arm, but he's got the defense and the more IQ probably his age than I did. His swing's getting pretty good. Does he listen to you or do you give him coaching or advice?

Like, what's the dynamic? I can't wait for him to be a dad. Because I'm like, you'll know the answer to this one of these days. Or does he just roll his eyes and go like, Dad, come on, I know what I'm doing. It's a little bit of both. It really is. It's weird because I wish he. is here right now because like he'll talk about certain things and I'm like yeah that's not

kind of how it works and then you know some days he'll say hey what do I need to do here so it is it's weird dynamic you know I try to get him to do certain things and he won't do it he's like yeah yeah yeah I'll do it I'll do it and he doesn't do it and then somebody else will give him the same idea like a coach told him to do something or I actually was struggling with him a little bit so I called Joe Madden sure you know Joe Madden is and he gave me some ideas because he was my hitting coach since I was 18. Joe, man, was you hitting?

Yeah, he was our minor league hitting instructor when I was in the Angels organization. Then when I got to the big leagues, he was our hitting and bench coach. And then so, and that was, so that was from the time I was 18 until the time I was 29.

And so, and I used to take Landon when the Cubs had come into town to go meet him and talk to him, but he gave me some really good ideas. And Landon actually started listening to those ideas. You know, he's down here in the cage every day

and he'll sometimes hit himself into a struggle because you can. You can over. hit and yeah it goes both ways when you got the call and so you go up to the the big leagues and the angels right what's it like day one in the locker room as somebody that just got to call up i think my generation right at that era like in the early 90s was the very first generation of ball players where they allowed them to kind of get a little bit of spring training familiar i think before it was like they really wanted you to like work for it um so it was a little bit better the

Call up was kind of one of those things like, you knew it was coming because I just hit 300 in AAA. I kind of got the word that it was going to happen, but had to wait until the end of the season. And so I flew from Vancouver to Detroit and walked in this old stadium and walked out, put my clothes on. And they're like, you're in the lineup. So I walked down the tunnel and opened up into the dugout. And I looked up. I was like, oh, my gosh, like, Tiger Stadium. And so that was incredible.

And then going home for the first time playing in Anaheim a week later, being on that, side of the field, not looking down at the guys, looking back up at the stands. It's just a, it's a crazy, crazy feeling. I think that you could probably have the same feelings for when you're a kid watching people and now you're doing the talking and the, you know, the shows and the gigs and all the stuff you do. Looking down on the mass audience or looking up at the audience, a totally different experience. Do you remember who was on the mound the first about you had in the majors? I think it was Bill Golickson. And he was throwing about 85. and I swung through three fastballs right down the middle.

And then I went 0 for three. And then the next night I pinched hit against Dwayne Ward. He was born 98 and I hit a ground rule double in Toronto. So crazy how it works. Was there somebody that got hurt? Like when you got your call, why was it? Was it just we're going to move somebody down because you were so hot? Or was there something that happened that we need somebody now?

Let's move Jim up. It was the basic September call up. It was that you got your year in AAA. Yeah, they'd get the roster. Back in the day. the rosters would go up to, you could have 40 guys. The whole 40 men could be up there. So they would get up to like, you know, 30, 32 guys.

And so me and another pitcher came up the same time. A couple guys got called up early in the year. And so I came up. I played a little bit. You know, he played every couple days or whatever. We were out of it. So they let some of the kids play. Yeah.

And then the next year I went to spring training and made the team. Is the locker room warm to you when you first get there? Yeah. Or are they kind of like, do they want to set you straight a little bit as the rookie it depends you know it depends on how you act they kind of you know that's what i'm saying the good thing is now i think since my era and up they've really got guys in spring training got familiar with the big leagues give them a taste of it so they know what to expect they can be more familiar i think walking into a clubhouse would be scary you know like the first day um and

never being around it um yeah but i i think they're waiting for you to make mistakes so they can set you straight. But I think when you go up there and you start playing, you're, you're, you know, you're helping the team win. So kind of they take you under their wing until you can't do the right things right, you know, until you get out of hand, I guess they pretty much leave you alone. They give you some stuff, you know. It would be like one of your shows, like you're always over, all over each other. Like, you know, you're giving it back and forth and but you got to keep your mouth shut. They mess with you at all? Like a little radiation? Yeah, a little hazing. Yeah. Not no, no hazing, but yeah, it's almost every day at some.

point there's something. Like, who took my underwear? Yeah, exactly. You got to kind of watch, you put your head on a swivel. And you just, like I said, you just keep your mouth shut and stay out of the way. Sounds like prison, man. Yeah, well. Does it?

Except you get to leave and you get money. Maybe not that bad. Yeah, yeah. And you get to hit, yeah. I don't, so one of these, I don't want a name and one I do want a name. So the one I do want to name, when you finally met what hero, baseball hero of yours while you were playing. And they ended up being as cool as you had hoped.

Don Mattingly. Really? Yeah. Was it the Yankees at the time? Yeah, randomly, my rookie year, Buck Rogers was our manager for that last year, and he was like at a first baseman's glove. And I was like, all right. Does he ever play first base? I said, no.

I got the glove in like four days later and went in after the game. And he was like, oh, great, you're playing first base tomorrow. Glob out in the box still. Like, I haven't broken in. I never played first baseball. We played the Yankees a couple days later. And it was now halfway through the season. And I kind of was spread out like I hit, you know, and I had already been.

been doing that. And anyways, playing for space and automatically gets a base hit and comes around. And I'm just kind of like, oh, my God, you know, he's standing right there. And so I walk around. You know how you walk around the bag to get to the front of it while, you know, you're going to hold him on. And he looks at me. He goes, hey, kid. And I was like, how are you doing, sir? And he goes, did you see my Jim Edmund's two strike approach? And I was like, uh, and, and, you know, I never said anything to him. I was like, wow, you know, like in my head. And I told him after I retired, I went and did a thing with And I was like, you know, you're my idol growing up. And he went on and on and on.

We were talking about it forever. But yeah, it's just, it was crazy. Seeing Nolan Ryan on the mound. Really? Face of face is pretty impressive. He throw BBs? Yeah, still. He's still in 94 when he was 45 years old.

Yeah, crazy. His seventh no hitter. Yeah. All of them were wild, right? But when he's in his 40s, still throwing no hitters, still 93, 94 years. Well, you know what I think is interesting as I remember this as a kid. if you still watch it. When the ball comes out of his hand, it just stays flat, like straight, like it's almost

rising. You don't see guys. Everybody that throws hard now the ball runs. His ball looked like it just kind of kept going. And he had that extra velocity that guys just couldn't catch up with. I don't want a name on this, but did you meet anybody and they weren't as cool as you had hoped and what's that story without a name? Huh.

And it could be there's nobody and actually everybody in the world's awesome. Not in baseball. Okay. Not in baseball. there was some Dang, country music Dang it, no Yeah, no, you know what?

Every been, uh huh I've been so fortunate for that And you know, I love for music in Nashville now I can't really can I gotta think about this one for a little bit But probably not I think I was more It was more

I think this is funny Because I told my wife this one time I met a couple of models And I kind of got when I was younger Like almost a setup and when I went up to say hello I was like oh this is what you look like like in real life like wow and I was like after that I was like every picture and book I've ever looked that was ruined yeah it's all fake yeah I mean the makeup is unbelievable yeah they're like

wow they're like you're that good looking yeah we didn't expect to be this good looking no makeup for Bobby is like this is all you this all you need uh the all star game as a kid watching the all star game there was a huge deal because those two teams never played you know before Interleague play happened. It was crazy to watch somebody from the Blue Jays play somebody from the Cardinals. And I just thought it was so cool to be at the All-Star game or to even watch it. Was it as a player, I know it's an honor, but did you ever just want the days off? Yeah. Yeah. Early on, loved it. It was so much fun. It really is a special thing. But I can see why some of those guys after their 10th and 12th All-Star game kind of pull back or

say, hey, I don't really need to play or whatever. I could see why. I didn't because I only made four, and I just thought they were special. And the first one I didn't start. And then I think I started, I got to start the second and third one. And then the fourth one, I got voted to start or something, not voted to start, but I made the team and they, and started again. And I was like, I can't turn this down, right? It's not, it's not just your one-ed bat in the ninth inning. So I love that part of it.

but it's very interesting going in there and seeing the pictures in the corner and the players over here, but the names of just the greatest players in that era just sitting around talking. Everyone's sharing stories was pretty cool. Is it a competitive environment at all, or is it a celebration environment mostly? It's a little bit of both. It's just kind of a business as usual day, but you can see pitchers especially comparing. I remember, I forget who it was. I think it was like Billy Wagner and maybe like a,

another closer and they were talking about strikeouts and they were saying my strikeout numbers are going down and he said get used to it because everybody gets used to you and you got to think of new ways to just get guys out and strikeouts don't mean anything you're a closer you're never going to have 2,000 strikeouts so just get guys out and I thought that was interesting from coming from a guy through 98 from the left side I think he was talking to bradledge at the time but I just thought the conversations were pretty pretty cool because they were always experiences and asking each other for their advice. One of my favorite things to see is when someone gets on base and they're just kind of like chatting it up. They're laughing. It's like, oh, I get to see my old bud. I'm playing their team. Like, who was it for you to go play against and be like, oh, I'm so excited I get to see

this person? You know, it's not supposed to be like that. But it just, I think when you play long enough, the same guys, especially when we played the years past, what the division played against each other so many times. Like Central? Yeah, you see the same guys 18 times. And if you're a good player, you're on first base every game. You know, there were certain guys just like catchers.

I would say hello to and other catchers I wouldn't. And first baseman's vice versa. Some guys didn't like to talk. You know, some guys would be like, hey, what's up? And then turn around. Some guys like Mike Sweeney for the Royals, he would talk and talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Super nice guy. What would he say?

We're just talking, you know, how's a family, whatever. You know, when you, if you know, why you're standing at first. No, when you're staying at first base. Okay, got it, got it. Yeah, no. No, but. And then you're like, I got to run, dude. Yeah, Jason Kendall was funny catching every time I said, hey, hey, dude, what's up?

He would come up with some off-the-wall remark that would just make me laugh or can't wait for this one to be over so I can get a beer or, you know, guys would say stuff like that. Or, you know, we would have little, we played each other so many times. Brad Osmus one day when it was hitting in Houston. And I would always try to hit the ball of left field in Houston because of that short porch there. and they threw me a fastball inside one day. And I kind of like stepped out of the way a little bit just to drag my bat to try to force it up there. And he just looked up at me and he goes,

you're really trying to hit those Crawford boxes, aren't you? And I looked down and I go, what the hell do you think I'm trying to do basically like, yeah, of course I am. Like it's right there. And it was just funny because after playing them for years and years and years, he finally just said something. And I was like, caught me off guard. I was like, yeah, of course I'm trying to hit the Crawford boxes. Hitting, you know, Ted Williams said he could see the seams. that's a very famous thing

he had vision so he's a fighter pilot his vision was awesome I was gonna ask and I've read some stuff about you and your vision as well do you feel like do you still have great vision and was that your superpower as a hitter? I think so I think you have to see the seams

you have to recognize pitches you have to pay attention enough to get like the different things where you'll see like certain pitches will slow down on a breaking ball where you won't see it with your eyes but you'll feel it. You'll get the whole vibe of the motion, slow down,

and it'll kind of click in your head that here comes something else. But yeah, you got to see the dot on the slider. You've got to see seams or you won't know. By the time it comes in and the swing starts, it's enough to recognize which way the ball's going to go. And I could see the signs from center field. I had 2010 vision just like he did.

That's crazy. I got one eye that barely works. Like to hear that. My son has got 2010 vision and one eye and his other eye. It's really bad, so he's got to wear context. But, you know, I don't think, I told him, I said, if you don't get your eyes down, then I don't think you can play it at that extra level because of the differences in a fastball cutter and a sinker, they all just do this, this, or this, and it's all seems.

What about pitchers that would either tip their pitches or it would just naturally be a tip because you'd see them pitch so much and you'd see the idiosyncrasies of what they were doing? I was all over that. Yeah, that was probably my biggest thing. I think I was an overachiever. I learned early from Eduardo Perez, who learned from his dad. Obviously, he's in the Hall of Fame, Tony Perez. He taught me in AA and AAA, and then we got to the big leagues, and I just picked it up from there.

A lot of the really good hitters are on that, especially in the 90s and 2000s. Anybody that was really good knew what was coming. Who had an odd delivery. Did you ever face it, Onomo? Yeah, it was tough to hit. Because, you know, he turned his back to you. Well, it was really weird because there's two guys that I had trouble with their changeups. He was one, and there was a guy named Fernando Rush.

He's been pitching for a long time. I think he's out of the game now. He was in Detroit when we went to the World Series. But they had change-ups when they threw them. They threw them at you. So you flinched and then it would just like fade down. Most guys throw a change-up down the middle so you're going to swing at it and then it runs off outside. Well, they would Hodeo and almost too, think, you throw like a change-up in my head.

And it, you know, it's like you have to flinch. Right? And then you're trying to stay on it because you know by then when you flinch, you're like, oh, that's a change-up. And then you just can't recover. can't recover. I struggle with that one. And then Fernando Rodney had a good one too. Same thing to throw it at you and just come back for a strike. Most guys are trying to throw it to look like a strike and have a run off the plate. And that's, you know, a little bit easier to deal with, especially left-handed. What about knuckleball? There's like a wakefield or there's a few, you know,

I love hitting off Wakefield. God rest of his soul. Like he was one of the best guys in baseball personality-wise competitor, but he's to kill him. And he was like, he started throwing me fastballs. Every pitch fastball. He was almost like telling me here comes fastball. What was this fastball? What would be 82? Yeah, but it looked like 95 after the knuckleball. And plus it's like this little, he had a little short arm because when he threw the knuckleball, you know, I was in here.

And then he threw the fastball from the same spot. I was like throwing darts. But I think I went three for four off him two games in a row. And after that, he started throwing a fastball. Was that just generally because you could see the knuckle? I was just really good at waiting and being, my swing was to left center field. If you try to pull the knuckle ball, you got no chance. Did you ever get you up 21 to 20?

two and get caught. Did you pitch an inning? No, it's all I wanted to do in my whole life, because I was a pitcher growing up. I pitched one time at A ball, and I pitched an inning. I struck out two out of three, and I got fine for having the best stuff on our team in kangaroo court. So I had better arm than most of the pitchers on our team. But I hurt my shoulder in high school, and I was supposed to be a pitcher, like in the top two rounds, and I tore a muscle on my shoulder, and I ended up just getting lucky got drafted because I could learn how to hit. Yeah, I was going to say, when I was looking at where you were drafted, it seemed to be late. Like, I don't know, 7th, I don't remember.

Six or seven. I may be confusing with Tom Brady, but still. Not that far down. But it was because the shoulder injury? I think it was that. And I think I got written off as a pitcher and then they drafted me as an outfielder. And I think I was kind of a late bloomer in that situation. And then, you know, some guys told me, well, I didn't know if you could run. We didn't know if you're going to be able to keep hitting all these different things, but we knew you were a good athlete. So my scout told me after a couple years later and then he ended up passing away kind of halfway through my big league career but yeah that it was just kind of a random when they said I got drafted I was like

for what like I had no idea it was going on because I knew I was you can pitch as a pitcher yeah the cardinals and this wasn't you weren't drafted by the cardinals but the cardinals had a guy who came up as a pitcher and then wasn't able to pitch and then he came back and played one of my best friends really yeah Rick yeah so Rick Ankeel yeah obviously had and I don't know if it was most incredible fastball curveball I ever seen 19th years old when he came up. And he went through Arkansas, played for the Travelers,

the AA team. So it was a big deal when he came up and I went and watched him pitch in Little Rock and like, I hated the Cardinals because I was a Cubs fan.

Didn't really hate the Cardinals. I just hated the rival of the Cubs, right? And everybody in Arkansas is a Cardinals fan because our AA team was the minor league team

to the Cardinals. But I went and watched Rick Ankego pitch and then I just remember he couldn't throw it over the plate and he was gone but then he came back as a hitter.

A hitter. The only guy, I tell him you're special. You're the only guy that made it to the big leagues twice. He made it to the big leagues as a pitcher and they made to the big leagues as an outfieler. Was he just such a good athlete? Yeah, he was special. He could hit when he was pitching. He was 19 in the big leagues.

I would play first base when Mark needed a day off once in a while, three times a year. And I had some friends that I had grown up with that were in the league and they're like, Darryl Kyle had the best curveball from the right side and the next day that Rick and Kiel would throw. And he was like, it was great. I faced Darryl Kyle yesterday. and I'm facing Ricky and kills throwing 95 with the better curveball from the left side and they were like guys would walk and like

man thank God I got to first base like as a joke but he was that special. If that were now do you think with Otani showing that his injury we'll talk about his injury but showing you can hit a pitch do you think they would have let Ankeel do that now?

I think he would have had a better chance but you know it's hard because at that stage he was only hitting every five days and I mean he probably hit 220, 2.30, whatever, I don't know, 250. Pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. But, you know, a couple, maybe in his career, maybe a home round or two.

But, yeah, I think that you would have to be a guy that would, I mean, Otoni is special because he has been doing it at that level the whole time. Right. If he would have come up that way, yeah, he could have done that. What's the living situation? Like, when you get traded. I've always wondered, you know, like, oh, you got to go. Like, do you get an apartment? You just pack up?

It's awful. What's that process? Oh, man, I got traded in spring training, so I went from an apartment just packing my truck and taking a suitcase to Jupiter and my dad coming and grabbed my truck and taking it back to Orange County to coming up here 10 days later in St. Louis and staying in a hotel and looking for a place to stay with no help. You know, they don't, this is in the minor leagues anymore. You're a grown man.

You're on your own. But yeah, if you get traded in season, And sometimes they'll have somebody like, hey, this is where guys stay. Like we have a building here. It's in Clayton. It's a high rise that most guys will just go to if they need to. But, yeah, it was brutal because I was about to sign a multi-year deal. So I was looking for a house, staying in a hotel, playing every day.

Didn't they also tell you you're not getting traded? In Anaheimai? Yeah. Like you're not getting into. I just told this story to someone the other day. I just did an interview. And, yeah, I went in and I said, hey, well, here, you just told me, I wasn't going to get traded.

And our general manager at the time, he was a knucklehead. He said, oh, I told you weren't getting traded to the Yankees. I was like, yeah, that's not what you said. But still to this day, you know, best thing ever happened to me. But at the time, it was tough. When you come to a culture like St. Louis and the Cardinals, do you feel it immediately at the difference in the fans? Interesting.

Immediately right away. It's so interesting. I was pre the Angels and the Red, you know, with Artie Marino. and the change of the philosophy and the change of the culture there. And so when I came here first day, I was like, holy crap, like, what's going on here? I got a standing ovation, spring training, 10,000 fans. First day, you know, when we would play against the Yankees, Red Sox, whoever, a lot more fans than Anaheim were cheering for them than we're cheering for us.

And when you get here, it's just, you know, other than the Cubs coming into town, there is no cheering for the other team. When you, you kind of shot out of a cannon when this, once a season started here, right? Yeah. Just trying to remember, like, I think you bet, like, 370, 380, the first. Like, is that just because, like, a rejuvenation? Yeah, I think so. The ballpark was a little bit smaller.

Rejuvenation. I had spent most of the year, the year before rehabbing because I was hurt, kind of got myself in a really good shape. And so I was having a good spring training. So when I came to St. Louis, I was in really good shape and ready to go and just happened to work great. I mean, Tony was, you know, he was, all he was interested about was winning and helping me get better as a man and he would just give me little tidbits here and there and it made me

really want to play rivalries real or real on the field but once you get off you realize the fans aren't watching anymore and you're all professionals cubs starly it really early 2000 i think that the the media made it i don't think any of the players really knew anything about it like if you think about the cubs in those years a lot of those guys were you know dempster came from the marlins derrick lee was in the Marlins, I think. A couple homegrown guys. Their catcher was not from their team. A couple guys came up.

We all kind of, we both had a bunch of free agents, but the media made such a big deal of it. It was like heated right away. You know, if someone got thrown at on accident, they would be like, it was like a war. And it was like, it kept getting worse and worse each year. And then finally, you know, you're like, what are we doing here? And the team started breaking up a little bit. And then you start playing each other enough where you kind of,

to start to be friendly a little bit, but still on the field. And then Pinella and Laruso would go at it. So, you know, you see all that stuff. But that kind of turned it up a notch too. So what about whenever you go from playing at St. Louis, and the next thing you know, you're in the blue and you're playing for the Cubs? That was fun. Then I realized that the rivalry wasn't that big of a deal.

But like I said, that was kind of at the end when everything was breaking apart. And I realized that in the locker room, it wasn't as bad as what you think it is, because you're what you read. And then, like I said, and the teams that were so different at that time, you know, there was, the holiday came here.

I was gone. You know, uh, Inc. Kill was there, I think, for a year, you know,

those kind of things changed. Plus, I was kind of like the intermediate guy, but, um, I had a blast in Chicago. It was like 10 times more fun than I ever thought I could have there. I loved it.

I wanted to play there the next year, too, and they want me back. You were like the, because you were so freaking good in centerfield. like it would really piss me off. And I would because you were awesome.

I mean, you're the best outfell that I've ever seen consistently because I watched probably 85 Cubs game in a lot of those were playing the Cardinals. Yeah, they were. And so I would see you, you were the most dynamic ball player that I would watch consistently that wasn't, you know, a Cub, but even then we could roll through the center filters.

And they were fine, they had some fine. But they had no Jim Edmonds. And when you came over, it was like Calipari now who's coaching at Arkansas, who was at Kentucky, freaking hated him. Hated him in Kentucky. Now he's at Arkansas.

He's like, my best friend. I'm like, let's go. I love you. Yeah, it's amazing how it changed. I mean, you just changed colors and I was like, Jim, I love that guy. When you finally had, you hung it up. Was that a difficult decision? I blew my Achilles out. And so I really played, it was tearing, shredding because of a situation that was in the middle of, with some medicine and a doctor put some stuff in my Achilles that shouldn't have been in there. And so I was playing through it and it just was getting to the point I wanted to retire. I wanted to. to quit. I wanted to fix it. And they kept talking me into it in Milwaukee. And then, yeah, I went to

Cincinnati because our general manager from here went there. Just he wanted me just go help to get in the playoffs. Played a couple of games. And it was so bad. It popped. It wasn't completely torn. And then it finally got to the point. It's like, I can't do this anymore. And then after the season, playing baseball with my son, and it tore, tour. And so when I had that, I thought, you know what, I'm probably done. Like I couldn't imagine having to work at 40, 41 years old to come back from the Achilles injury. I just didn't know what was about.

So I just kind of might mentally shut it off. Does anything hurt now when the weather gets weird? Everything. Yeah, I just had my knee replaced about two and a half months ago. You know, you know what I've noticed is I'm getting stiff. I just need to start stretching and doing more stuff. I've been lazy. I have my knee replaced and kind of when you kind of don't walk around very much and you kind

you know, hobble upstairs and crutches and things start to like tense up a little bit. So I'm on the men for that. And now I know I realize I have to like do a few things more than normal. All right. Final three questions. But everything does hurt. Yeah. Yeah.

I would imagine. I mean, I don't even do it. I don't even do anything and I hurt. Yeah. I did nothing. Jim, what do you miss the most about the game? Probably the locker room, the guys. The battles.

It's fun. Man, it really is. It's fun to go out there and win. I mean, we were just laughing earlier, how competitive y'all are. It's, it's, that's kind of fun. You're actually cheering each other on as you're trying to kill each other. Yeah. But that's kind of what it's like, you know, you're, you're, every day with these guys from

three o'clock, two o'clock to midnight, basically, travel with them on the road, you know, see them more than you see your family. That's a special bond. And those guys, some of these guys, I still stay in touch with every day. That'll never go in. That's really cool. I love the competition. So I'm so not competitive away from the field, but on the field, ultra competitive.

And so they'll probably those two things. That's interesting because I'm not an outgoing person away from a microphone or a stage or just not an outgoing person But then when it's time to do this, that's what I do and I don't know if it's become less outgoing because I do this all the time Or if I am naturally an introvert and I can just turn it up But it is like two different worlds and it seems like that's what you're saying what it was like for you two because you were competing at a high level Yeah, so hyper focused in this one spot that the rest of the time it wasn't that yeah The rest of time I want to sit on the couch and do nothing. Yeah.

Two questions. Do you ever have an airplane scare? Because you travel in a lot? Like the bad turbulence? Not a terrible one. We had a bad one coming home from spring training one year. You're actually landing here in St. Louis. But never like the, you know, if you didn't have your seatbelt, throw you out of the seat now.

I never been diverted yet. Knock on wood. With all the flights you took? I can't believe it. Yeah. Think about it every day. Did you think while you were like, man, we're flying so much. Yeah.

Yeah. Numbers game. Yeah, you're 100% right. Yeah, I still think about it. You know, when we travel, I'm like, when we're all traveling together, I'm thinking, man, I need to make sure all of my papers in order and make sure nothing goes wrong with the family. Yeah, welcome to baseball. But no, it is true, though.

You're right. Have you guys? I had a bad one. Is this fresh in your mind? Is that why? Well, we were talking about it in the news. I hate to fly. I hate flying.

I hate flying. And we were flying down to a show. And we, I have a plane. And so we were flying that plane. And Amy's husband at the time, her ex-husband, was. a pilot and was a, you know, I don't want to give too much of us, but he's an Air Force pilot. And we hit some turbulence. Boom.

And he's used to that crap. To him, he was like, this is awesome. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I thought we were dead. Yeah, I thought we were dead. Yeah. And that was the closest. We didn't die.

Spoiler. We didn't die. But that was it. That was the bad one. I got a quick story for you. That's funny. You said. I just made a thing.

I actually, one, too. I have a friend that raced Indy car. And he's a pilot for his family's plane. And he hates to fly. Hates to be in the back. seat. Hates to go, like, if we go on vacation, he's like, I don't know if I should take the plane, because I hates it in the back seat, in the backpack. Like, he doesn't want to fly. He calls it public because he just is so scared of it. But so, actually, a funny story. Me and my friend were

flying to Kansas City. I bought part of this company, and so we were flying to Kansas City to meet with someone, and we rented a plane that this guy we found out was a friend of that guy. And so he was flying us there. Everything was perfectly fine. We're like in a, it was like a new leering. It was like the last leered jet that wasn't a jet. It looked exactly like a nice leer on the inside, but it had two props. So we're flying home and we get about halfway, and it's a 40-minute flight. And all of a sudden, the engine stall. And you can hear it.

And I'm looking at him. He's looking at me. And it's like that little and we start to drop a little bit. And we look at him and I'm like, is this it? Like, you know, quietly you're just looking at you're like, hopefully this thing can glide, right? That's all I can think of. And then it's like starts to really start to nose dive a little bit. And then it just goes,

V-V-R-R-B-R-B-R-B-R-B-Takes on. And he looks back at us and he goes, sorry about that. It was just testing the reserve fuel. Oh, my God. And my buddy snapped. And he was like, you couldn't have done that on the ground? He's like going off. And he was like yelling.

And I was like, I was like, are you serious right now? Like literally turned, he went to pull the, it was make sure the reserve worked. And it was old gas with air in the tank. And he was just like, I'm just cruising around boards. Let's just check it out. And I was like, this is it. I don't even like how that made me feel.

Yeah, right. I mean, it was unbelievable. Final question. Ever stay out way late, having a good time and then have to go play a game? Every day. Like two hours sleep? Too many times, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Maybe not two hours of sleep, but definitely some, been some long nights out there. On the road more so than to home because you just. Oh, yeah. And then had some really good games. Really? Yeah, really good games. Yeah. Maybe that's the key.

You just need to party harder and they go to the show. Yeah, sometimes. Except I don't party at all. You don't really drink. I don't. I'm saying. Maybe I just need to drink now. Yeah.

Do you enjoy talking about baseball still? I do. The people that are interested. Like in guys, like one of the guys coming over here in a few minutes to hit. I enjoy, you know, my son brings his high school friends over, but they don't really listen. They listen, but they don't. But like the big league guys, the guys come over from the team, someone's about to come over now. And then guys like spend time over here and I really love listening to what they say because it's funny that they still don't really know if they know themselves or if they really have it all under or but they're or they can't fix themselves.

They need somebody else that's been there done that to just say this is what I'm noticing out of you because everyone has a different look. And some people don't look in the same area. Like a lot of people look here and I look down. Usually it's the base, the feet, stuff like that. not always the hands or the head or whatever. And so it's just different. And I think it's a lot of fun. That part's fun.

And talking with somebody that has knowledge and loves to talk back and forth and is open to it. I think it's cool. But just to talk, no, not really. But like nerds like me. And I'm like, tell me about this. Yeah. Is that fun to talk about? Yeah.

Like I can see that you like it. And I know that you're a fan because I obviously follow you guys and listen to you guys every morning. But yeah, I think that's cool. Because I would, I would do the same to you if I was at your house or in your studio. I love music and I love the radio stuff. I bother Kevin all the time. But I think it's cool.

You know, my friend Steve that runs Sony Nashville, I love, I ask him crazy questions all the time. And it's just kind of fun. And I feel the same way. I'm like, just, am I bothering you right now? Well, we really appreciate the time. Yeah, and big fans. And thanks for having us over at the house. Oh, I love it.

Thanks for having. All right, thanks to Jim Edmonds and go over. We'll have a clip or two up on the 25 Whistles Instagram page. one of the dumbest bits ever that Eddie I suggested. We'll get to it right after. Let's take a quick break. A win is a win.

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on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we're back. A couple things. Bill Walton died. Yeah, rest of the piece. I did not know he had cancer, did you guys? No. I didn't know if maybe I just had missed it somewhere. No. But Bill Walton, who led the UCLA Bruins to two national titles before winning two championships in the NBA.

He even won one in Portland. Yeah, 77. Good for you for even guessing at that, unless you saw it on this. Yeah, I might have all in that. Okay. I just won in Portland. He did the stats. He died at 71 after a prolonged battle with cancer.

Some facts. 44 points in the 1973 championship game versus Memphis State. That's college. 44 points. 77, 78, NBA MVP, two NBA championships. He had one with Portland and one with Boston. And Basketball Hall of Fame in 1993. Known for saying a lot of cool things, funny things, inspiring things,

or me if I turn it on West Coast basketball at two in the morning. usually talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a compilation of some of Bill Walton's clips from over the years. I'm not a very good catcher. I'm much better at getting high than getting lower. I mean, you all just strip down right here. Bill is taking his shirt off.

Isn't wearing diodowing? Taking his shirt off. Monofuku Andu's birthday. He's the inventor of the instant noodle. And thank you. I love my noodle. It doesn't get any better than this. I just got laid.

I have found that muster hooks only help you. Anyway, this is a foam roller with a vibrator inside. So it's fantastic. Rest of peace, Bill Walton. You get to how reverie was about the people that you listen to or you watch a lot talk about him. Because I never met him, but there are like three or four sports personalities

that I know and follow and listen to, and they talk just so glowingly about him. But yeah, he was always fun. He went to like, what, a thousand Grateful Dead concerts? Is that what it was? Yeah. I saw that in the game. The Braves lose Ronald Cooner Jr. to a torn ACL.

I feel you, dude. Dude, you like... No, just playing baseball, man, you know, and you get hurt. Your injury is comfortable to somebody jamming their toes. It's a little more than that. Like, in the middle of the night, boom! Oh! Like, that's, you know, that's basically what you got there. When I did Google my fractures,

and some people do stub their toe and get fractures there. Stub, though, I don't think it's worse than that. Slam their toe. Slam. A stub, that sucks and that hurts. But this is a slam. But Ronald, I feel you do. We're out for a little bit.

It's from ESPN. Here's the segment that Eddie suggested. I fractured my foot working out with the Cardinals. I have some other worst sports injuries of all time. Joe Thysman's leg fracture. So these are other sports injuries that Eddie wanted me to talk about. It's much like his. Well, you put Ronald on that list, too.

Ronald Acuna, tearing his ACL. Achilles. What do you talk? His ACL. You said ACL than Achilles. Yeah. I don't know the difference. Be real.

Okay. Let's talk about a couple of these. Joe Thais. Gordon Hayward's ankle fraction. That was nasty. Oh, that was nasty. Wait, wait. What's his name in there?

Paul George. I'm going to get to them. Let's just take a looksy. Then you can put on anybody you don't. Because for me, one that would have made the list would have been the, it didn't is the Frank Gore. Did his knee go backward? Was it Gore? No, no, it was Miami.

Oh, Willis McGahey. Yeah, McGahey. That's what it works. Now, in the championship? Ardae-Dade, Radee, Radee. His knee went backwards? Yeah, it's hyper-extended. It's gross.

I don't want to see that. Number nine, Monica Sella stabbing. Yeah, is, yeah. It's an leecher report. It wasn't really. I don't know where your ranks on this, Eddie. You got stabbed. Well, the stab?

So you can say if yours is better or worse. Like, worse means that yours is far worse. Mine's better than the stabbing. So this one's worse than yours? Yeah, the stab is pretty bad, dude. He got stabbed? Monica. You don't remember this?

No. She was like sitting on the bench or whatever, and a fan comes over and stabs her in the back. Oh my goodness. The sign-liner for two years. Yep. Yeah, I just walked over and stabbed her. What? She was a tennis player.

We were teenagers. Like 93. Yeah. Yeah, mine's not that bad. Okay. Anderson Silva's leg break. Oh, yeah. I've seen the clip.

I wasn't watching this live or anything. But I've seen this. Oh, his leg snapped. I've ever seen his leg snap in the video. Pretty bad? Yeah, it's real bad. Okay. You should watch it on camera.

You should watch it right now. Let me see. Anderson Silva. We'll get a live reaction. Gosh, I don't like watching this stuff. Here is Eddie watching Anderson Silva's leg break. live reaction let's see

hold it is this UFC mm-hmm okay here we go no oh my gosh I've never seen that before in my life how did his leg stay on

bro how did his leg stay on oh it's bad oh my gosh now there's a compilation of you have you there's a compilation of a bunch of leg breaks in the UFC I'm out I'm out so is your

foot injury. How does it compare to that? No, no, no, doesn't come close. Doesn't compare at all? No, not at all. Dang. Yeah, that's tough. Re-clip that right there. Oh, my goodness. Use that for the video right there. Tyrone Pro Throats, leg fracture, Alabama wide receiver.

I don't remember that. Yeah, mine's worse. You think so? Just because you didn't remember it? Leg fracture, foot fracture, same thing. Paul George's leg injury. No, so that was terrible. Like, I didn't think he'd be able to walk again.

That was an Olympic thing, right? Yeah, I hardly remember that. You don't remember that? I kind of do. He landed on it. But it wasn't in a game, right? No, it was during a game. I thought it was practice.

I thought it was a practice. And he was back in the Pacers. Don't clip this. NBA star Paul George suffered an open tibia, fibula fracture during a team USA scrimmage. Yeah. The injury was severe, but he made a remarkable recovery. Yeah.

Not watching that. Pretty remarkable. Nope. Kevin wears leg fracture. That was gross. NC. CAA tournament game Louisville player Kevin Ware suffered a compound fracture on court incident. I don't guess I remember that one.

That was like the worst one I've seen because his bone is just full on out. Hey, read to everybody. Oh, hey, read. Bo Jackson's hip injury. Did they show that? I don't know if it was, I don't know. I don't know if all this list is what you could see. Some of it just may be things that really sideline.

I was reading an article that Bo Jackson ran a four point. 1 940. Think about that. That's insane. Is that fast? 4-2 is like the standard of somebody that's the fastest you could possibly be. And he was huge. Yeah.

Clint Mallor-Chuck's neck injury, 1989. That's NHL. I don't even want to watch that. I don't even know what it is. Eddie yours is worse. Did he die? Oh, I don't know. I know he fully recovered played two weeks later.

You're not going to be back up in two weeks. No, no, dude. They said 68 weeks. The years is worse. Dang. Alex Smith's. leg injury? Oh, yeah.

Oh, the same spot as Thysman? Yeah, Thysman's number one. Thysman was terrible. During a Monday night football game, Redskins quarterback Joe Thysman suffered a gruesome leg fracture when the Giants linebacker Lawrence Taylor sacked him. The injury into Thysman's career,

one of the most memorable injuries in NFL history. Would you can say that your injury is one of the most memorable and too much access history? I don't think so. Oh, 100%. Too much access history? Well, the last two episodes, we've had some real issues.

I have torn my rotator cuff at the last episode. and you did that. Playing baseball, right? Yours is baseball too? Softball, yeah. I just was throwing over and over and over. Yeah. It's not good.

What are you saying? You know, mine's a little more Major League Baseball, dude. You came down on a base. I was playing with the Cardinals. Okay, I was playing with Florida State. Softball. You just say college, you know? You just say college.

But yeah, I think that episode will be up next week, the Cardinals one. Up now, and today it's the Texas Ranchers pickleball episode, which you'll be able to see. It's probably up now on my Instagram.

I'm just going to Mr. Bobby Bones. It's a professional pickleball team. Which, by the way, my pickleball court should be up in like two weeks or so. Oh, well.

You guys can play on it. Let's go. I'll watch. I'll sit there and watch for a little bit. He can't even play. I know, all that worked, dude,

you can't even use it. I bet you in four weeks you're A plus ready to go. You know, you say that, but I don't think I want to risk it. You are the Adrian Peterson of the pinky toe injury. You're going to bounce back.

You're going to expectations on you. You keep calling of the pinky toe injury. Well, that's what that injury is. But it's further down the foot. It's like in the middle of my foot. What's the actual name of it? Avulsion. Okay.

The evulsion fraction. I've had one of those before. Basically what they said is... It's like in the metatarsal party or whatever that is. It's like on the side of my foot, but a piece of my bone chipped off. Okay. But it's still together there with the cartilage or the ligaments. What's name of it?

Avolgeon. It sucks. And I don't want anybody to think that Eddie's going through something easy. It sucks. But this is one they can't do anything

for. You just got to let it heal. It's a failure of bone in which a slight fragment is pulled away from the main body. Bone.

They can occur in any area where soft tissues attached to bone. Yeah. How serious is it? It needs care. Can I walk on it? You need to wear a boot

for two weeks after your injury. Two weeks? Oh. That's what this says. I do don't. No, no, no. No, no. I take it off.

Dr. Bones said. No, no, no. This is Google, Dr. Google. Yeah, dude, it looked awful. So what happens with working out now for you guys? The trainer says just focus on upper body. Oh, you're still going to come?

Not today, but I am going to come, yes. An avulsion fracture to your foot or ankle may require a cast or a walking boot. In rare cases, if the bone fragment and main bone are too far apart, they won't fuse naturally, but 90% of them they do. How long does it take to heal? These types of fractures usually heal within four to six weeks, six weeks in the long end. So, yeah. Nice. It did look terrible.

Yeah. It looked like a baseball shoved under his skin. Mike, and you missed all this. I saw it, though. That was gross. Yeah, that's gross. I also saw a snake on Eddie's porch. Dude, what the crap.

But it's a rat snake. So, like, they're good. They're not venomous. So I didn't kill it or anything. I was ready to if I had to. What were you going to kill it? Like, if it would have had a rattle, for sure, it would have shoveled it. Oh, yeah.

Like, we're not risking that. I agree with that. But my wife is like, kill it, kill it. And I'm like, no. I guess it's a harmless snake, but it was on the fence headed towards my house, which is crazy.

Like, if we wouldn't have seen that snake, where would have gone? In the house? In the toilet? That is my worst nightmare. Possibly looking for food. Rats? Yeah.

I mean, that's what all is doing. It's either hurt, if it's coming toward the house where people are, it's probably looking for food or it's hurt and it's trying to get to a place

that it feels safe, like some sort of shelterish type. Other than that, it's not trying to do anything mean or bad. Right. I mean, we take Eller on this little hiking.

I hate going for walks, but I can go for a hike. It's a hard hike. You go to the lake? No, it's this hiking. I don't know. It's pretty hard. It's a mountain or something.

I don't know. You go to the mountains? I don't know where we go. But it's like a two and a half mile. You're like my kids. They never know what we are. I don't know where I have. But we've done it three times now.

The first two, we got lost, but we figured it out the last time. But Eller is, for sure, a hound. Boy, and she'll almost point. Like, we had bird dogs back in the day, and a bird dog would just stop and point. and it will not move until you tell it to move. It will hold for 30 minutes.

But Eller will kind of semi-point, but she'll be on, and she'll see and hear things. And she's like run up a couple snakes that were right near us. We wouldn't have seen it had she not seen it. That's nice. A little heads up. Yeah, just keep walking, Ella. No, she's like, hey, there's a snake here.

I don't know. My five-year-old found our snake. He came in running. There's a snake. He didn't have in his hand. I got a snake. I know. He totally would.

I got to say it. He came in with just a head. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits,

the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered. conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life,

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on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Basketball wise, make your prediction now. Do I have to? All the way through, all the way through. I'm going to have to go with Boston. With a healthy porzingas, I've got to go Boston. I mean, this whole trickery of Maverick. But I don't think we can do with a this or without a this.

I think he'll be bad. But he's not going to be healthy. He hasn't played one single game. Sure. You think all of a sudden he's going to show up. play. Yes. That's what you do

in the NBA, man. Like, you've been playing your whole life. He doesn't. He's been playing his whole life. He's still out every third game. I feel like the Kyrie. He's Glass.

What's his name? Dr. Glass? Mike? Mr. Glass? Joe? No. The guy from... Is it Mr. Glass?

Yeah. And Bruce Willis was the opposite of him. Oh, yeah. Oh, Pulp Fiction? No. I think it's just called Glass. Yeah, but that was the sequel.

Oh, yeah. That's right. But the real one was, And the whole time you've kind of figured out that he was unbreakable, that Bruce Willis was unbreakable. Is that the movie? It's called unbreakable. Yeah.

Is it all right? Yeah. You knew it the whole time. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. So, but Porzingis, doesn't matter.

In or out. You're just picking a team. Celtics. How many? Game. Well, let's just go with a sweep. I mean, that's what they do now, right? If they want to.

Four, if they want to, just sweep. If they want to. Let's go Celtics and four. Kevin. Celtics and six. So I'm going to go. Are you betting right now? Yeah.

Because the Mavericks are plus 185. I'm going to go $200 on the Mavericks to win 570, and I wonder if Minnesota gets in if they'll cancel that bet. They will, I'm sure. Yeah, you have to, right? I don't know. I don't know they have to.

Yeah, a lot of times they'll void out a bet if it's not able to be bet. Unless it's plus 185 because there's... Minnesota still has a chance to come back and win. Okay, I'm taking Dallas. Or Minnesota. Are there four people?

No, are there three people on the bet? Is Minnesota an option on that bet? There are two options. There's plus 185 Dallas, plus 185 Minnesota. So it's got to be either teams at plus 185. Yeah. Right? Who knows?

Either way, it's going to be over anyway. Although I don't, I think Minnesota wins this one because they can't have it just sit empty for nine days. Yeah. I've said that the last two games, I'm like this, they can't. I mean, they got to have one. Like the Pacers, they got to win one. Nah. Well, I think the difference now is there will be no game until, what, the sixth?

Next Thursday, yeah. Next Thursday. See, I say that all the time, though, and everyone's like, what are you saying? It's fixed. Like, well, I mean, no, but, I mean, kind of. Everybody says that stuff all the time. You didn't create conspiracy. No, no, no, no.

No, no. No, what I'm saying is nobody wants to admit that, like, they could have Minnesota win a game to extend the series or else there'd be no basketball. I think a lot of people will admit where there's money. there's nefarious behavior. Yes, but that's also saying it's fixed. So would you say, Kevin, would you say it's fixed? I wouldn't say a fix.

I think there can be influence that affects the ending of a game. That would be fixed, Mr. Lawyer. You're trying to do a little lawyer terms over here. Fix would be for sure altering the outcome to the favor of the person. It's the same thing. No, it's not because you can all, you can, influence the game and still not win it. Yeah.

That's why they've delayed the whistle. Again, they did it again last night. The Pacers did everything that could lose those games. I know. The reps were also on their size. Miles Turner. Let's say the rest were trying to extend the game. They did everything they possibly freaking could. And they did.

And they still lost. So that's not a fix. So the NBA called the patient. That's them trying to influence the game. They said, what the hell, gosh. Yeah, they're like, hey, we're trying to influence this game. We just couldn't fix it. They're in a meeting right now. What's your problem?

We just couldn't fix it. Okay, that's it. Let's end this thing. Thanks to Jim Edmonds. We'll have our interview later on in the week with the pickleball. Okay. The general manager and the players, it's pretty fun. I go watch that episode up on my Instagram, Mr. Bobby Bones, or it'll be done like 30 episodes.

Just go over to Too Muchaccess.com. And you can see all of the episodes. Final thoughts, Eddie. Yeah, Jim Edmonds. Just thanks, man, for reaching out, checking on my foot. We're friends now. We talk all the time. Does he talk to you?

Yeah. Oh. He was like, where do the cicadas go? And I was like, Storm hit, bro. They're hiding from the storm, I guess. The cicadas go, they kind of did go away, didn't they? Yeah, I don't know if they're back today or not. Wow.

They might have got swept by the Celtics, too. Dude, I've been on Cloud 9 because of that. Like, Paul Goldschmidt gave me a legit hug. Like, a legit hug. He's a big dude, huh? Dude, so good to meet you, man. It's massive. Big dude.

He looks like a titan or a linebacker. I'm like, dang. And my in-laws are in town, so we watched a bunch of baseball, and I'm like, yes, that's my buddy, my Goldie. I call him Goldie. Yeah. And they're like, are you serious? Like, no, yeah.

Like, we hung out 100%. They're like, what are you talking about? How to pull out the videos and everything. Like, look, this is me and Goldie and Bobby. That's me on second base. They thought it was much cooler after all that. It is pretty cool. It's pretty awesome, dude.

It's not bat cool? Your bat's awesome. And that's all I thought about when he hit those homers. I'm like, damn, Bobby's got one of these bats. Yeah. Pretty cool, man. I know. Reed.

Me and Jim are Snapchat buddies. Nice. Pretty cool. Are you all really Snapchat? No, I didn't add him. I want to, though. Is he on Snapchat? Yeah, it said your contact Jim Edmonds is on Snapchat. I got a notification. I was like, ooh, I kind of want to click that.

You should. That's odd. You know, just, I know. I'm not even on Snapchat. Me either. Do you still use Snapchat? I literally Snapchat Maddie and Stone. That is it.

Classic. That's it. Kevin? Yeah. I know they still got one more series ago, but, you know, Celtics get it done. All the haters. Keep hating. said they're not going to be that good.

They're not going to beat everybody. And here they are in the finals now. We don't know. You know, they've been the best team all year. They're going to prove it again in the finals. So we've got nine days, which kind of sucks. My thing is when does, when do camps open? Late July?

Summer camps? No, not for the kids. For NFL. Like, they're happening now, dude. They're rolling. Oh, late July. We have a while. May 28th.

June 28th. So like two months, huh? Like almost two months? Okay Dang, I was really, I was really hyped that it was going to be earlier than that. I was ready to go, start doing some too much access to the football, but we kind of can't. We can't and my foot. Just give it a couple weeks to heal.

And then we can start doing drills again. Well, you can be a part of the interviews. Oh, yeah, I know. I'm just saying, like, I want to. By the way, his foot is just, he got barefoot rocking back here. His boot is off. It's really swollen. My foot's still swollen.

I'm sorry, buddy. Like that guy on the plane right now. I did tell Kevin that, I mean, I have to go to the orthopedic to go check up on it because, like, all I have is urgent care, and they took x-rays, and that's what they said. But I really can't move my outer toes. So I don't know. Ligament damage is part of it. You keep saying that like you're wishing it. I'm not.

I really wish that that's not the case, because if it is the case, I mean, you may have to have surgery for that, right? I did. Yeah, and I don't want to do that, because that will really put me out. I don't know what the ligaments called, but mine was, like, towards my end. ankle. I just came down wrong in a basketball game and just rolled it and tore the ligaments. I had to have surgery. Really? How long were you out after that? Oh shoot. Probably like he's still out four months. I've been out for six years. I know four months. Mm-hmm. Dang, Eddie may be retiring from too much access. I'm brutal. I miss so much school, not because of that, but like I lived

kind of right off campus to where they don't have like the little trolley things that can come pick you up if you're on crutches. Well, you're in San Francisco? Yeah, I know pretty much. I was like, I'm not walking. Like I can't, I'm not going to crutch a mile down the road. And I can't, I can't. So you just didn't go to school? I just didn't go. Nice. What about a wheelchair? I will, well, there wasn't really a sidewalk. I gotta be wheeling down the road. What about one of those like scooter things you put your knee on? I had that, but I was like, I don't want to.

It sounds like there were a lot of ways you could have gone to class, Reed. A mile? A mile to get to class. We don't even know that that's true. You could be exaggerating. No, it was a mile. It was like right on the line where they can't come pick me up. We're done. Goodbye, everybody. We'll see you later on this week we think. All right, goodbye. Go ahead. Oh, hey, go, old, hold it.

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