The Daily Show: Ears Edition - January 6: Did It Even Happen?! (Spoiler: Yes) - With Chris Hayes and Jordan Klepper

Episode Date: January 6, 2022

Roy Wood Jr. sits down with Jordan Klepper and MSNBC host Chris Hayes to discuss the Capitol riot, how right-wing media and the GOP rewrote the narrative, and the fate of American democracy. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to choose from. Head over to Ford.com to learn more. Built Ford Proud. Hey, welcome to Beyond the Scenes. This is the podcast that goes above and beyond the topics that you see every night on the daily show with Trevor Noah on Comedy Central. Now, this week marks the one-year anniversary. I don't even like the word anniversary because I don't want to keep remembering this thing but the January 6th up rising that went down at the Capitol the insurrection a bunch of trop

supporters went there and lost their damn minds and violently tried to stop the certification of electoral votes by and lost their damn minds and violently tried to stop the certification of electoral votes by storming the Capitol, even to say it aloud, it's surreal. So we have two people with us on the program today to help us break this down. The first gentleman is, he's an Emmy nominated, Daily Show contributor, and he was there at the Capitol and he's always there all the time, mixing it up with the Trump supporters. And if it's anyone that is not a fan of his activities, it is his wife and child.

He is Jordan Cleppert. Yes, I was there with my Emmy nomination, where I should be. Thank you, Roy. Well, Jordan, our next guess is an Emmy winner. Okay, all right. All right, that's why you put it in there. That's why you put it in there. So, you know what? I was about to hop in when you said Emmy nominated and be like, wait a second.

But then I was like, oh, that's Jordan. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. He's. Chris Hayes and the podcast is why is this happening Emmy winner Chris Hayes. How you doing? I'm good. I just am conjuring a very funny notion in my head of like Jordan in the midst of the insurrection and people like starting to get a little like chesty with him being like, I'm I'm Emmy nominated. I just I want you to know. Maybe you should back off a little bit because I've got an Emmy nomination. Chris, I'd like to know. Maybe you should back off a little bit because I've got an Emmy nomination.

Chris, I'd like to start with you because you get to exist in a place that you don't have the burden of having to find a punchline in between vomit of information to the viewers. The revisionist history. I just vomit straight. You're just straight vomit. Unleavened by punchlines. Yeah, that's what we're going for. Yeah. The revisionist history that has happened around why the insurrection happened, whether or not

we can vilify the insurrection. It's because like we're still at a point right now where they're still identifying people from the footage. Some have gone to jail, some have been convicted, but they're still stitching some of this stuff together. I want to play a clip real quick of just Republicans flip-flopping their positions. Let's just start with our elected officials and their opinions of the uprising. The president bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by

Mob Ryder. We're so successful under President Trump. The last thing we want I I I I I I I I I I have I have I have th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, I have thi, I have thi, I have thi, I have thi, I have thi, I have thi, I have thi, I have thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi. thii. I'm thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thii. I'm thi. I want thi President Trump. The last thing we want to do is be fighting among ourselves. Trump and I have, we've had a hell of a journey. All I can say is, count me out, enough is enough. It's impossible for this party to move forward without President Trump being its leader. So you think it was an impeachable offense? Oh, sure. How do you grade Trump as president? Oh listen, overall

I give the president a A. When you lost Lindsay Graham, when you lose all these people, when Tom Cotton says his time for you to concede, I think that you've gone over the top. He couldn't even use his own Twitter account because he's been justifiably suspended for the last 24 hours. There was nothing about that speech that was insightful and the president also used the term peacefully go down there. He didn't just say go down there and take the capital over. Chris. Yeah. You hear all of that flip-flopping and you see it every day on a regular basis as you prep for your Emmy winning program? Chris, are we crazy just just, are we crazy for just trying to make sure people understand just how heinous this was? No, it's been a huge focus of the show for the past year precisely because of the revisionist history. I mean, I think there's, to me, there's a few layers to it, right? One is it like, particularly in the

context of the American criminal justice system, the way in which policing operates, particularly on people of color, what we've seen with George Floyd, like the idea that people are going to turn around and excuse like mob violence after all this whipping up of this frenzy about it, you know, in the same moment, in the same program, they'll be like, hey, check out this smash and grab operation that happened that took a bunch of purses. Oh, and also like, it wasn't that big a deal when they like, you know, dragged a cop down the stairs and threatened his life. So there's that aspect of it, which is like, the idea that there's no actual standard for behavior that like, if you're on our side I think it's a conservative notion before that. And I think, you know, liberals can fall prey to it too,

but it's on such display potently here. So there's the sort of excuses of minimization. Then there's the just like crazy disinformation of like, it was the feds, it was anti-fa-fa- Like trying to come up with these increasingly ludicrous and far-fetched notions to essentially be exculpatory for what people actually did. And then the third aspect of it I think that's really important is people say, oh well that, you know, some people will say, well what they did, you know, obviously violence is wrong, what they did, the capital is wrong, but like the 150, whatever, 50 members of the Senate, the eight or nine members of the Senate that voted against the vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote.. the the the the the eight or nine members of the Senate that voted against seating the electoral votes, like the entire project was insidious. The entire project was authoritarian. The entire project,

whether they were like at the ellipse and they were doing it peacefully, it was just Josh Hawley, like before they stormed the building. Yeah, exactly. Like, that is the culmination and that itself is in a sort of special place. But the whole project was to overturn a Democrat election and install an authoritarian leader over the will of the people by whatever means. Whether that means was Mike Pence ruling in a certain way, whether the means was, you know, using loopholes in the Electoral Count Act to get state delegations together to deliver the vote, like whatever it was, the whole project was rotten to the core. And you can't just say, well, yes, what they did at the Capitol was wrong. The whole project was wrong.

But my thing though, in a weird way, Clepper, like, I understand politicians flip-flopping because they have a check. Behind the things that they say. They have a real motivation. The voters on the other hand who decide to go and be a part of this in spite of all of the, because people love to say, well I'm doing my research. Well if you've done a little bit more research, stupid ass wouldn't be out here. Well, the voters don't have a check and they're probably not going to get one, but they do have an identity my my my the their their their their their to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to do their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their.a, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi..a, thi.a, th voters don't have a check, and they're probably not going to get one, but they do have an identity.

And I think that's the thing that I see people clinging to, the thing that surprised me most most when I went to a Trump event in Iowa a few months back, and we brought up January 6th. Like, there is, there was no coherent narrative as to what happened on January 6th. And some people, yes, what happened was wrong, and it was wrong because Antifa were instigators. It was wrong because FBI, CIA, NASA, and any organization you want to throw out there. Some people said, it wasn't wrong. Like that Ashley Babbitt was a hero,

and there should have been more Ashley's out there. Some people declare it was, nothing happened on the sixth. And to me again, that all has to do with, more often than now when I would go out in the field and talk to folks, you don't need a coherent philosophy behind what happened or even a coherent narrative, you just need a foothold to get you to the next, the next thing. And at that point, it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was that it was that it was that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, you that's that's that's that, you that's that, that's that's that's that at that point it was like, oh, you know, so much misinformation and BS has been spewed since that. That like, yeah, you can, you can read something about

the FBI, Antifa, you can believe it didn't happen, or you can believe it did happen and it should have happened. It doesn't matter. It doesn't all have to fit. It just has to get you on to the next thing. And I, I for one though, was surprised howed how that how that how that how that that that that that that thed thed that thed that thr-to the that the the the the is surprised how that thi thi thi thi. thr-a thr-a thr-a their to to the to their their their their their their their their their their about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the to the the the the the to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the f. the f. the the f. the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to to that those disjuncted narratives came about. Thanks to online bullshit, they have a very interesting take on who was behind the January 6th insurrection. Oh, Antifa, like the corrupt FBI, basically rhinos, corrupt politicians, the deep state, all that. I don't believe that it was people like me and people like you see over there in that crowd that did it. Who was behind? FBI, CIA and Tifa were used, other groups like that. It seemed like a lot of them were going into the capital to attack Nancy Pelosi and perhaps hang. Who? Who? Which one? The one with the bullhorns? He's not a Trump supporter. I don't care what his resume says. He's not a Trump supporter.

In fact, do you remember the picture of the plane in Afghanistan with all the people running next to it? That was a balloon plane. If you look at the pictures of the real plane, and there's pieces that are missing from the real plane to that plane? So you're saying there's a conspiracy, there's a conspiracy, the Afghanistan withdrawal. No, I'm saying that there was one guy there who read, it's the only guy who turned to the camera and waved his hands. Do y'all remember that? Everybody remember that?

He's the guy with the horns on his hat. He was in Afghanistan. Yes, go look at the pictures. I think he's in jail right now. Did you go for the JFK Junior Dead Body return from the death portal? Oh, no, are you kidding? I got, trust me, I'm into my frequent flyer miles. And that one's, that one's on the list. Every, I get more, I get more tweets about that. How do you, like, are you coming to this?

Are you coming? It's almost like a relative now. hanging out down by, down on the grassy, no. Are you gonna go see them? They're waiting for you. I do think there's a little bit of a distinction, because like that, that is like the hardest of the hard, like that is like, that is genuine mass delusion in a really acute sense. I think that what's on display more broadly among the sort of grassers right,

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who had to go on his Facebook page to be like, I see all these people blaming Antifa. I'm telling you I was there. It wasn't antifa. We didn't the Patriots like he's pissed off that antifa's getting the credit for what he did And has to go into these like crazy Disinformation networks that he is embedded in to be like y'all. Hey, I was there We did it stop giving them credit for what these patriots did and it was just a perfect to me in capsulation of like they're really, your point, to get back to your point, Jordan, there is no actual coherent story about January 6th on the right. There's a bunch of different stories that are thrown out to move on to the next topic, distract or mass exculpate the folks involved so that you can get back to the real thing,

which is that the libs are oppressing you in th th th th I want to get to after the break, because I'm just, I'm curious about the MSNBC, Chris Hayes, news curation process, because we're always stuck at the daily show with, do we follow the crazy thing that just happened that's being reconstituted or something or do we follow the new crazy thing that is happening or is about, or is about, tooomomomomomomomomomom???.... And I I I I I to to to to to to to to to the to to the to different or do we follow the new crazy thing that is happening or is about to happen? And I'm very curious how you decide which ones to bring to light on your show. This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. And in doing that, is that how you achieve an Emmy? I guess is the other question. Well, that's, yeah. I mean, that's awesome. You have to sign up for the master class for that. I know, I that. I that. That's, I that. You that. You that. You that. You have that. You have that. You have that. You have that. You have that. You have that. You have that. You have that. You have that's, you have to. You have to. You have to. You have to. You have to. You have to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. to. the. the. to. the. the. to. to. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to be masterclass now. Ford Motor Company is committed to moving forward together with new all-electric vehicles that offer an efficient and exhilarating driving experience. Don't be last to join Ford on the road of new electric vehicles as they redefine what electric can do.

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Built Ford Proud. How are we doing this, Jordan Clepper, Chris Hayes? Are we saying, Happy Jan 6? Are we saying, J6? Do we say never forget? Do we say always forget? Yeah, I think it's just important to keep saying the date because I think five years from now there's a legitimate chance we go from January 5th to January 7th on the Gregorian calendar.

And so whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever make sure you repeat the date so people understand that it is a moment in time. Can we just agree a moment in time? That day never existed, it just didn't happen. We, can you believe it? We remember the Alamo? Do you know what happened at the Alamo? It was a terrible loss.

Yeah, poorly planned. Davy Crockett went down, the guy who created the Bowie knife went down. Like, that's a terrible story. We should forget that story. Poor planning on America's part. Yet we remember that. January 6th, we could take a lot of lessons from that. And we are, we are trashing it as quick as we can. I'll be honest as a black person. I am closely monitoring January 6th to make sure that it doesn't bleed over into Martin

Luther King weekend. It's a little close. Dangerous. Could turn it to a week long celebration. Once it's a week long, then it's a whole month and then you got MLK in the middle of resurrection this month or whatever the hell they're going to call it. So Chris, on your program on MSNBCC we just spoke about the misinformation and what motivates it. How and what do you decide to report on on your show?

Number one, just on some just straight up mental health shit, how do you stay calm? Just in the morning, when you're just reading the headlines, how do you remain calm and measured as you deliver news that people are going to Dallas to see the dead body come out of the ground? I mean, is it impossible to go and stay calm, Chris, because we know you're going to go all in? Like you have to. Well, that's just, that's the brand.

You've got to go all in. And so in the morning, are you like, should like, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should, should the the morning are you like, should I just go half of the way in and stay calm or no, this is what the people want. Like Melbury, he can go halfway in. But Hayes. I am generally, well, I don't think I'm at calm, honestly. I mean, I think that I, what I try to do is, I definitely think that I've spent a lot more time telling myself the serenity prayer about like things I can control and things I can't, the wisdom and know the difference, which is a big part of it. Like I think that there are times where because I do have a platform that I'm very privileged to have it feels like that I have more causal, like, there were definitely times during COVID where I felt like it was my job to like save the country from the mass death of COVID. And that's that's fair. Yeah. I mean, but and but I fail. I mean, I didn't I didn't work. I mean, I, you know, we, we, I think, and right now I think

I feel that way about like American democracy, the way that I felt, I think last year around COVID, even though of course we're still in the pandemic. But American democracy seems to me like, I feel in a a a a a the the similar in a the similar th th th th th th th th th th th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I feel in a thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thin. thee. thea. thean. thean. thean. thean. thea. thean. thean. thean. I'm thea. I didn't, I didn't, I feel in a similar way of just like ringing this alarm bell. Well, that's the thing that I have. I have the bullhorn. I have the alarm bell. I have the platform. We've been very focused on this story, generally the story of American democracy in peril, in a peril that it never has really faced in this particular way. It's faced peril in many different ways. and wasn't really actually a democracy for the, you know, the vast majority of the country's existence.

So it's not like there's some like beautiful Halcyon days to look back on, but what happened, I mean, this is the thing that we focus on and we focus a lot on January 6th specifically, but more broadly, like, the fate of American democracy is that it's hard I think in the same way that I think the first days in the first weeks and months of the pandemic were hard, it is hard to get your heads or head around the scope and enormity of what you're dealing with. But like if they had pulled it off it really would have been the case that the fundamental precept that undergirds this whole thing, which is that the people choose choose the people choose the people choose their people choose the people choose their the people choose the people choose which is that the people choose their leaders, not the other way around, and that a majority of people is what stands

in for the whole when you're dealing with Democratic elections, to cast that out, you know, really would have been an enormous epochal break with what we've had before and that still threat still looms over us. Can I ask a question Chris? Like you talk about the the insurrection was something that had been happening the week beforehand and it was happening behind closed doors. Are you at all afraid that in the discussion of this and how perhaps the media frames it and also just the mindset of those who digest it, we're gonna go down this rabbit hole and it's all gonna be about whether or not Donald Trump gave the go ahead to you go straight ahead.

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to show strength and you have to be strong. It was like he grabbed them and he bold them, you know, down Pennsylvania Avenue. So I agree that it's important to keep what is publicly known is unbelievably damning, would disqualify him from ever holding any position of public trust ever, and I think there's a plausible criminal case to be made against him under federal law. He certainly should have been impeached, he certainly should have been disqualified from ever holding public office. No, if we learn nothing new, starting now. And I think your point is well taken in something that we really try on the show to avoid, which is we're constantly resetting what are the publicly known facts and what

they say about the danger of this individual and the movement that he leads and the threat it poses to American democracy, whether or not we find out even more damning details, which I suspect we will. Chris, on your show, Trump loyalists and insurrectionists, you generally, for the most part, don't swim in those waters or talking to those types of people. Is that an effort to keep the misinformation to a minimum and not allow people to use your show as a vessel for misinformation? Like, what, walk me through the strategy in that? Yeah, I mean we actually had two of them on the other night and it was sort of interesting.

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that guy. We have to have security come in and stop this guy and there's an altercation there. So like, oh, that's not fun. I think, also, they don't like to be made fun of what I, not January 6th, but to each beforehand, the Million Maga March, which was a beautiful March, their number. Not a million. But what people don't often understand there is there's probably 30,000 people there, but these are also poorly run events go figure, which means there's two stages that

are essentially a mile apart with 30,000 people in between and the sound systems they paid for, you can only about 200 people can hear what's actually going on. So you have essentially 29,000 people who are milling about and when you're interviewing people and perhaps the people are getting upset or somebody's like, I think I know that guy, well then the two people who are watching become 10, become 50 and it becomes dangerous there. So even if you're not immediately recognized, we have to be savvy because there is a there is a mob mentality when you have a camera up. Yeah, there's always something I find like unnatural and and can sometimes be kind of foreboding about the role a camera plays in a crowd and what and what it

does to help you behave around it independent of people people's politics or, you know, ideological commitments. Just generally, I've had that experience. Well, and also it's, they're dressing for it now. We make a lot of jokes about the apparel at a Maga Raleigh. And what has become so fascinating is people are going there to dress for being on camera, for being recognized by Donald Trump or other folks. So like, they suddenly walk down an aisle which is essentially a dressing room in costume department. They pick out the most extreme points of view that you could fit onto a t-shirt.

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unblur the lines where at least, even if we don't agree on the solution, can we at least agree on what the facts are? Or it's just if you're an opinionated journalist and if that's what I am to you, that's just what it's got to be. Yeah, I mean, that's a, it's such a deep question. It's hard to talk through it because I've spent probably 20 years thinking about various versions of this all the way back to being a philosophy major in undergrad and thinking about epistemology and how people form true beliefs. I mean, the way that I think about what I do is that I have a point of view and a perspective and a set of values that I'm pretty transparent. I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I in equality, solidarity, rights and protections,

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shot. When you go on air and you say it in that terms, you are implying a causal link there that says these vaccines are scary, they're killing killing, killing, they they they they they're killing, killing, killing, killing, killing, they're killing, killing, they're killing, they're killing, they're killing, they're they're killing, they're killing, they're they're killing, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they have they have they have they have they have they're they're they have they have they're they have they have they have they have that terms, you are implying a causal link there that says these vaccines are scary, they're killing killing people and not telling you about it. And so like that line between like what's fact, what's opinion, what's perspective, it is actually pretty complicated, you know, because like you can say a lot of true things. It's like, here's my favorite example, like racist websites, okay? Like, really, like, if you the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, if, if, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, th. like, if, if, if you, th. like, if, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, okay? Like, like, really, like, if you go to, like, the world of, like, stormfront, and, and by the way, which is like very adjacent to, like, a lot of Donald Trump stuff, and there are periods during different campaigns when Donald Trump would like, tweet these out. Like, you could run a website that only identifies examples of black men assaulting

white people in a country of 350 million and just make that all you show. And it could be the case that like it is factually true that in each of those instances or each of the videos, what you are doing is running a white supremacist website, right? And you're running a white supremacist website without ever like telling a lie in some sort of like, these are facts. I'm just showing you the facts of all the, but that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. th. that's, th. th. th. that's, th. th. th. that's, th. th. thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, the, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thr. And, thi. And, thi.a. And, thi. And, thi. And, the, thi. And all the but that's that's like Nazi propaganda essentially which by the way they used to actually like run examples of Jews committing crimes. So it's like this question of what is what is factual opinion. It's like the world contains so many facts that in some ways what's more insidious than lies and lies are insidious we see with a big lie is which facts you choose to emphasize which facts you choose to focus on it and so much destruction and so much

ruin can happen based on which facts people choose to use their platforms for Amy Winner. Yeah I'm glad you too. I'm glad you too. I could feel that Emmy nomination just cracking inside of me. I'm like, yeah. After the break, I want to talk to you all about where we're headed. I don't know if this is going to be a new holiday. I don't know if our kids are going to start getting Jan 6 out of

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Let's critique our media co-workers here. I would say that one thing that happened and I think that I actually think it's been, I think the reporting in the wake of it's been quite good. I think one misapprehension people had when watching it was that it was kind of goofy. And I think that was because of what the cameras were showing as opposed to what they weren't showing. So because you have cameras in the galleries, you know, what you saw was like, the cue shaman and the, the, the, the, was, was, the, was, was, was, was, the, was, was, was, the, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, the, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was. the, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was.. the, was, was, was. the, was. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. the the the the. the the the the the the the the the, was, was, was, was, the. the cue shaman comes in and he sits on the chair and it all seems like stunty and weird they're all like recording themselves. It's only later when you start to get the footage of like the cop who's being pressed in

the door and Michael Phenone being dragged through and the body cam footage and the assaults and like and then the Ashley Babbitt attempting to vault through that broken window and the gunshot that killed her. So I think there was a little bit of a misapprehension in the beginning. I think it's probably stuck with some people. In fact, some people, I think Tucker Carlson's one example, have tried to keep that going, like, oh, isn't this a goofy, funny, funny, like,rehension. That was pretty prominent at the beginning, but I think has been, I think has been turned around. I mean, I think most Americans think what happened there

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I do think there's... There's an overrepresentation as to how many people are actually... Actually give a shit about democracy, and not in the sense of like, oh yeah, it's important to support, I'll say that to an interview or what have you, but like, are interested in the political ramifications of what happened day in a day out. Most people I talked to there on January 6th, again, it's, are there for the show and are there for the identity, and I don't think would even articulate seeing government as something that needs to play a role in helping them and or helping society. In fact, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, most, fact, they've been outside of the whole political world for years, and it wasn't until this new character came in who welcomed them in, that they felt they could be a part of it. But again, it became about winning above restoring democracy, creating a working government that could benefit people who are in need, protecting people, things of that nature.

That actually was never an interest to a lot of the people we talked about. It really was just simply about the gamification of not only the election, but then what happened after that. And so, when you're like, why are Americans more interested in this and not focused on how democracy is crumbling. Because we were never interested in democracy as an idea. We were interested in democracy as a bullet to put in a gun that we could shoot to win the contest of my team beat your team. And that's where I'm just like, oh, I don't think Americans are that into politics.

Politics is something to utilize government so that its role can help you ultimately. They're into games. Or like civic work, you know? I mean, I think that's, you know, it does, it is very identity based. And I also think, look, the attentional imperatives here, to your point, like, are hard in a million different directions. I mean, people, getting people's attention about anything is hard. It's like, you know, we've never had more, there's never been more things tugging

on our attention. There's never been things that we needed more focused attention on more. And here I'm thinking of the climate challenge, which is like quite literally the largest challenge that humans have faced since we started civilization. Maybe if Mother Nature bought some Instagram ads and was an influence. Right, right, exactly. It continues. Sorry, didn't you know. Those attentional questions are really hard ones.

They're ones I struggle with too. And I don't know the answer to them. But there are a lot of people that are paying a lot of very close attention. There are a lot of people who understand what, how serious things are. And I think, you know, in some ways I think there's an argument made that you've never had more discussions about democracy itself as a sort of topic of conversation in my political life, you know, where the issue about like are we going to maintain democracy, are we going to strengthen democracy is like an actual topic of conversation that wasn't really the case I think like 10 or 12 or 15 years ago.

What could we expect when it comes to the future of democracy being a tech? Because the thing that I find that's interesting now is that a lot of the people that stir at the pot in 2016 have been deplatformed. So a lot of the ways that these types of people can find each other and the hornet's nest can be stirred up is not the same. Trump is not on television as much. A lot of his cronies are not on television as much. So could they still mobilize like this again? Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I don't know what the future holds. I know that Republicans have worked very hard to put people in positions to do and pull off what they were not able to do and pull off last time. You have the Secretary of State being primary in Georgia. You got the Secretary of State election in Arizona with sort of like a vowed adhearance to the big lie pro to coup... th... th. th. th. th. So, th. So, th. So, the the government. So, the government. And, the government. And, the government. And, the government. And, the government. And, the future, the future, the future, the future, the future, the future, the future, the future. the future, the future, the future, the future, the future, the future, the future, the future. to to to thi. to to to to th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the future. the future. the future. the future. the future. the future. So, th. So, the future. So, th. And, the future. And, thi. And, the future. And, the future. So, the the the thi. thi. the toee. the. to. to. to. to. to. the to. to. the the the pro-cou forces. You've got a pro-coo primary challenge of the governor of Georgia, right?

All these people essentially, whether saying implicitly or in some cases explicitly, saying like, I will do what was not done before, which is deliver power into the hands of the candidate who lost, because I don't recognize the legitimacy of the majority because they're not my people, right? So I really worry about that. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the recognize the legitimacy of the majority because they're not my people, right? So I really worry about that. And look, at one level, like there's technical problems here about the way that the law works and who's administering elections, but there's sort of a deeper problem. Like, I think about this old Yogi Bera line where he says, you know, they should move first base closer to homes that aren't so many close plays at first, which is like, you can't, like, there's no, like, there's going to be close places at first wherever you put the base, right? It's like, if you have one of two major American coalitions mobilized against democracy with the belief that the other side is illegitimate by definition and cannot legitimately win,

whatever happens technically around election law matters, but ultimately the threat is that. That's the deep threat, and that threat is there and growing. And so I don't know what it looks like, how it plays out, but look, elections end when the loser acknowledges they're over. Like as a functional matter, that's the definition of the end of the end.... It, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the end, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the theeeeeeean, their, thean, thean, thean, thean, threat, the, thea, thea matter, that's the definition of the end of an election. And that can't be, if there's a side that will never acknowledge that, then that... We're in totally different territory. So it sounds like we're fucked, Jordan. I think that's what you're strenuling to say, but if cooler heads can prevail, then it's going to be all right. And there's a lot of cooler heads out there.

You talk to him all the time. So yeah, let me send you some links. It'll put a lot of faith in humanity and our democracy. There are cooler heads out there. There are people who the right thing last time. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, thu There are people who did the right thing last time and I think there's a lot of people in America who have a deep A deep patriotism and civic A sense of solemn civic duty who did the right thing the last time around. I hope they're there the next time And I also hope that those people are having lots of sex and making more people just like them so that my child has a decent world. And that's how we're going to end this segment. You end most podcasts like that. I feel like I've heard you really go to that well a lot, Roy.

Just you're really wishing sex on people. That's my go to. I'm just wishing blessings upon people. So with that, Jordan Clepper and Chris Hayes every night on MSNBC. The podcast is why is this happening with Chris Hayes? One is an Emmy winner, one is an Emmy nominee soon to be Emmy winner with all the hard work that he is doing out there in streets. I wish you all a happy that I don't do you think we're going to have retail sales around the resurrection? I take that that would be fine I would I would take just maybe. I wish I wish I wish I wish I wish I wish you I wish you a a a a a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that I wish you a happy I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that that that that that that that th. th. I'd that that that that that that th. th. I th. I th. I'm that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I they. I th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I th. I'm. I the. I the. I the. the. th. the. th. I thi. I th. I'm. I'm. th. I'm. I. I. I take that. That would be fine. I would I would take just maybe uh... I wish you a happy resurrection. Insurrection? Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm thinking about Christmas.

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