The Deep 3 Podcast - Grading Every NBA Team's 2026 Season | Ep. 201

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

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Donovan, how do you feel about your team's performance this season? No, it's all right. Some days are good, some days are bad. Mo, how do you feel about your team's performance this season? Man, I feel great, man. I feel amazing, ecstatic elated. Not too many teams can say that you traded away your franchise player and got better. Damn. Feel great.

As you guys see by the title, we're here today to grade every single NBA team season. We can go division by division like we always do. Cue up a team and decide A through F, what grade are we given them in terms of what they needed to accomplish this season and how well they accomplished that. And the good thing is, We haven't talked enough Denver Nuggets as of late. I feel like we've been kind of looking past them since Yokish came back from injury. It was a little weird.

They were a little shitty for a while. Defense still a little shitty. We haven't done much slander with the Nuggets. We haven't done much cope for the Nuggets. Not yet. Not enough tears. So it's time to adjust that. Today we have the one and only

Yokish Joe star, Jack, the biggest Nuggets fan I know in the building. Oh my God. Oh, my shit. I forgot I have my reactions turned. That's funny. Well, yeah, I guess that's representative of how I feel about parts of the Denver Nuggets season. But, you know, as a whole, I'm not as high as like, I'm not ecstatic like you guys are. I'm just, you know, I'm tempering my feelings.

Yeah, there are no Atlanta Hawks. You certainly can't be as happy as most. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, we didn't C.J. McCall them at the deadline. I'm like, damn, bro, I wish. I wish. My life is great, bro. So, yep, we got Jack here with us today to grade all 30 Mb.

team seasons should be a fun one. You know, we'll start with the Denver Nuggets. We'll get into that after we cue the intro music. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy. He was bragging. I don't know.

He did say. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Crowd-eaters rejoice. So let's start with the Northwest Division. What are we great in the Denver Nuggett season? Jack, take us away. Um, I gave the Nuggets a C. I think, uh, it's tough because some of the teams I gave a C is just like, they're like a non-entity in my brain. Like they barely even exist in the NBA season. The Nuggets are a C more as like an average of the highest and the lowest points of their season where you have some very high highs. Uh, obviously Jamal Murray All-Star team and all NBA team, hopefully this season.

and that kind of shit. The best regular season of his career, Peyton Watson played really well in the absence of Nicola Yokic, Tim Hardaway, Jr., really productive on a veteran minimum contract. So you have very high peaks, and then you obviously have a lot of very low lows as well. Yokic misses a big stretch of time for the first time in his career. Aaron Gordon gets hurt. Cam Johnson gets hurt. Peyton Watson gets hurt.

It seems like everybody at some point in the season has missed an extended stretch of time. Except for Christian Brown, who we gave a million dollars to and he was really bad for a lot of the season. So that's fucking rocked. Yeah, I would say C, but talking through it, it feels a little optimistic. I do want to know your guy's perspective. Oh, you're thinking worse than C. Wow. I mean, I'm a Dumer naturally.

I feel like, and so like eight bad games of Yokic, I'm like, my life is over. It was fun. It was good, guys, for like, he's cooked now. We're never hitting that peak again. I feel like for their season, every team we had to view it through the gauge of what was their goal, what was expected with their goal in mind and how they accomplished that. And for them, the goal was to be the team that reloaded this summer and can now spin the block and upset the thunder in the playoffs. So I feel like the only thing that really matters is like how you feel the position to do that now. Because injuries are going to happen, whether or not the weather the storm is going to happen, do you feel like going into the playoffs two weeks from now, they're in a position that you feel confident that they can still be OKC?

or are you as confident as you were in October? And for that, I'll match you and see. I'm not very confident. Well, because every time they freaking play, Shea, I mean, it's like, I don't know, they have none of their starters except for Shea, and he hits back-to-back 30-foot-3s to win the game. It's like, okay, if that's just going to, how it's going to play out in the playoffs, I don't really know.

We could just sim the fucking series at that point. Don Moe. You guys both picked Devere Nuggets to win the championship before the season started. I know. How are you feeling that in mind? I think I'm more a little bit on on Jack's Dumer's side. I think I'm going to go D. Damn.

I think I, yeah, I think I'm going to go D because not only, not only do we feel worse about them, going head to head with O KC in the playoffs right now. As a team, you got to chain snatch. Like San Antonio has really come out of nowhere

and they're the team that's now like, oh, they're going to go back and forth with OKC. The Lakers for all their ups and downs right now are ahead of them in the standing. So they're sitting in a place where they're going to be in this four or five matchup. And now, like, the worst case scenario at this point would, would be first round.

And now we have to go play the Tim Wolves, and we have to go, you know, see, like, what's going on? See the boogeyman? Yeah. Like, that would suck. And then, Yolk it's, like, the one hope that you can have is, it doesn't matter. We have the best player in the world. Chain snatched. Shea is, right now, the best player in the world.

And then we've been talking about it for the last, for the last basically year and a half of, Wimby's about to be the best player in the world. So I feel like a lot of the things that Nuggets fans are hanging their hat on this season, it feels like a lot of that has been taken away from them. Yes, exactly. I would agree with you. I want to give eventually net out as a D because through all the things. High standards though.

They're going to have 50 wins. Yeah, I had them winning, literally winning the championship. And I came up here talking about how much better they got seeing how Cam Johnson was like one of the better additions in the offseason. Obviously, I was like fucking wrong. A good player still obviously. But he just, what's, what. he was expected to do, just isn't that right now.

Now, of course, I've been, like, clamoring about how good Payne Watson has been throughout the entire of the year, got injured, and shooting has been decent, whatever, like, since he's came back. I think I have, like, hope at the end of the day to, for things to eventually turn around, but overall grade in the season for what it is and all the ups and downs, and specifically how bad Yokic's defense has been, it got to come out to Adidemi. I feel still feel like we've got to stop framing their disappointments through the lens of Cam Johnson isn't as good as Michael Porter Jr.

Like, I know Michael Jr. started the season off being Kevin Durant, but like, he, that slowed down a little bit and he's been in and out. Like, that's still not the biggest issue to me. No, it's not. It's one of, it's one of the, like, several things, you know. Yeah. Yeah, like the reloading that you talked about, that's tough because you're, you're two, like, reloading was, like, we're going to swap out Cam Johnson for MPJ.

And we're giving, like, we're doubling down on Christian Brown and, like, those two things. And then Yonis and Tim Hardaway Jr. Yeah. the money you save from the Michael Port Jr. downgrade. Yeah. And so like those two, like the big, big parts of all of the like offseason acquisitions, those haven't really panned out as much as you wanted to. Jack, are you willing to die for Tim Hardaway Jr.?

Oh, 100%. That's been, uh, oh, you will. I was going to say, like, hey, if it happens in the playoffs, it is what it is because he's been, uh, so important to the Nuggets kind of surviving all of these different injuries. He's been one of the most consistently healthy players. and he's been really good. But I was going to say,

on top of all the other off-season, like reloading stuff they did, what they didn't have to do was boot Russell Westbrook to the curb. And they did that, and I feel like it's really bit them in the ass because there's been like big stretches of this season where they haven't really had,

like, supplementary ball handlers outside of Jamal Murray that you can rely on to, like, even just find Yokic on post-ups or whatever, just like very simple, responsible offense. And I know maybe that's not like the trademark of Westbrook's career is like, you know, conservative offense. But like, I think they were, they were definitely like better or they would be a better team with him on the roster.

And I don't think the money, like the way it moved around with Michael Porter Jr. leaving this offseason, I don't think Westbrook necessarily had to be gone for the rest of this roster to be here. It was more of like a, you're not going to get the opportunities that you're probably hoping for talk from David Adelman from the reports that we got. And I don't like that because I thought Westbrook, I mean, there was some ugly parts, like individual moments from last season. But overall, I thought he really gave the team a bit of an edge that they haven't necessarily had this season. Do you think they essentially chose, I know this is kind of like the way people talk about it from outside of the Nuggets fan base? I don't know if they're reporting that says otherwise.

Did they just straight up choose Bruce Brown over him in the rotation from that secondary ball handling that's not a space for your spot? I mean, it seems like it definitely, like those guys overlap a lot. I don't know exactly. I'm not like familiar with how the money would have worked out and with if there's like they wouldn't have been able to give Westbrook the veteran minimum because they gave it to Tim Hardaway Jr. or whatever.

But if they did make that decision, they chose wrong for sure Bruce Brown has seriously underwhelmed this year and Westbrook's been I mean the King's like best player for Big stretches Hey hey it's not saying a lot but I mean he could be ass on the Kings

And he hasn't been so you know Fine I'm with you we downgrade you doing F You chose Bruce Brown over Russell Westbrook F terrible season Because Cam Johnson After they lost Oklahoma City game and I did want to do some Cam Johnson propaganda. He said something along the lines of like I need to be more decisive. I need to lock in or whatever. And since then he was like a

16, 17 point per game score. So I really, I don't know, like you said, Cam Johnson isn't like the biggest design. I was supposed to be. Let's see if he comes back. You're boxed. You're boxed. Let's see what happens here. Let's see how long is going on right now. This is quite funny. I'm crying. He's one tap. He's so one tap.

Did we die? You're back. Okay. Let me time out. Fuck. Hold on a second. I guess. I mean, yeah, let me plug my, I have to unplug my fucking Xbox.

He has box. We'll keep talking about he does that. He's been a wiring. I understand his point, though. I'll see if I can predict what he's going to say. Cam Johnson is the most heavily criticized 43% 3-point shooter for a season that included the biggest slump of his career. He is the most heavily indexed on player ever just because of the timidness when he was undergoing getting used to a new team, a new star player playing around. Play next to Nicole Yokic is not some normal thing that is at all similar to when you're playing for Brooklyn Nets.

It makes sense. It stands to reason that he took some time to get going. And now that he has gone going since he made the comments, pulled the D'Andrean, it was like, I got to lock in. he has locked in and played better that earlier in the season when I was defending him I was just saying that one I imagine it will get better

it's not going to be this bad forever for all the reasons I just said and two even if he is mid he's the fifth option on offense sometimes fourth option at best it really isn't such a high impact role that his production level will be the deciding factor

come playoff time and now that he's making those open shots more I still kind of feel that way it's like about making those open shots and also taking those open shots throughout the season I think he average like maybe four five three is a game and someone like Michael Porter Jr.

He never did that outside of his like rookie year. He's a fucking gunner. Yeah. And I think seeing that level of service for someone like Cam Johnson is obviously like mad hard. You said it's hard to play alongside Yolkits. Hell yes. Alongside Jamal Murray too because it's like, damn, I come into the season. This guy's having a career year.

He's shooting historically. He's mad efficient and all that. I understand how it's so hard to pick his spots. But overall like, you know, the season does not absolutely not die liver. die by Cam Johnson. Thankfully, because of all the other great things that they have. All right, Jack, the Xbox has been killed at the stake. Wi-Fi is good now.

Get your Cam Johnson propaganda off before it moves the next to you. I was just going to say, after the Oklahoma City game they lost, he had a quote where he was like, I need to be more decisive. And after that, he was like 17 points per game. There was like a lot of games where he took like 10 threes and they went like how you would expect. He shot pretty officially on them. And he was like more of a volume score.

boring presence and it just made the team better overall. Like that's something that I feel like if he didn't get hurt with that knee injury, we probably see a more extended sample size of. Yeah, make sense. Okay, next team in this division, sticking with the Northwest. Let's go just get the other good team out of the way. Oklahoma City Thunder, obviously coming off a championship victory, coming off of a year in which Jake, Louis Alexander wins MVP,

MVP, finals. Now, it's about running it back. No offseason additions, for real. They drafted a rookie, you got hurt immediately. Pretty much the same exact team hoping for internal development to go back to back. With the goal in mind of winning back to back championships, how do you grade it? Put the maze up. Everyone got to put A's up, man, for this one.

I put B. I'm a hater. What? You put a B. Well, the offense does have some issues. J-Doh hasn't been good because of the injury. I understand some reason to feel less than perfect. That's like coming into the season, and I'm talking where you guys are coming from where it's like,

what was the goal this year going back to back? if I compare that to some of the other goals, there are some teams where it's like we blew our expectations out of the water. And I don't really feel like that's what O KC did. I think Shea individually has been incredible. And maybe like if you're like a real Shea Stan, you could probably frame this as an A because he has gotten so much like all time propaganda from this year. But from the perspective of like how good are we compared to the rest of the first of the field and compared to we were at the end of last season. I don't feel like I'm like blown away with where.

I disagree. Yeah. I think the, the expectations, like, they can't meet expectations. We were talking about them winning 70 games and like breaking the single season record. And so it's like, okay, either you make history or you don't. And even now, they're at 60 wins, first team to do it. They're the best defense in the league. San Antonio's, you know, they're creeping up on them for the.

one C but they like okay C is still in in control of that even with losing the season series in the fashion that they did like I think with all of the injuries with all of the offensive concerns they still have shown that they are this team like they are they are the ones at the top that everybody has has to chase I think B is reasonable for everything Jack's alluded to I also think for a championship defense season it's a little bit different you have to like measure it up against what it takes realistically and what you should expect from a championship defense season it's tough as fuck to be better than next year record-wise. That's just hard mentally going through playing all the way through the end of

June coming back, trying to keep that same level of intensity, hopefully have just as good, if not better injury luck, which hasn't been the case this year. I think four with all that in mind have the position themselves that you still feel confident that they're just as good as they were if they get healthy and are just as ready to win a championship again. I have no reason to doubt them. I mean, the spurs are better now, so there's a better competition out there. So they could realistically lose to the spurs or even the Celtics. That's more about those teams to me than it is about OKC being worse. They're still flawed offensive, obviously,

which we focus on a lot. They were that last year, too. They win despite of it, it kind of just comes to the territory. So to me, they're just kind of like in a very neutral state from where they were to start the year. Yeah, yeah. I can understand that. But I think having to go through the, okay, we saw J-dub go through the injuries

pretty much consistent throughout the entire year. Of course, Isaiah Hardinstein, same story last evening. He's been hurt in and out. Okay, Lou Dord, I didn't expect you to be this fucking ass offensive. week. No one had no one walking those expectations at all soon like 37% from the field. What the fuck? it is what it is didn't expect that but okay i also didn't expect a j michael to go ahead and ascend in the level which we're like if he when it comes to expectations he has like the craziest sometimes someone like me be here be like damn like i think this guy could be a fucking all-star one

day meanwhile other times he just looks like an elite spark plug coming off the bench when now he's starting so there's so many like moving parts that leads me to be like yeah this is a season because of all the like ups and downs naturally that they go through through like a champion beat chip defense season. I think that you can you couldn't ask to be in like a better situation right now through all of you. Yeah, there's no guarantee that they win, but you still feel good. And I don't know, I guess we also define what we want to give A to. Do we want to give A towards like, you blew expectations out the water or is like good enough hitting what we wanted enough for a day? How stingy are we with A's? I mean, a little bit of both, but like, I guess for for the,

the Thunder are kind of different than, yeah, than a lot of other teams. What would it have taken them to do for you to give them an A. Seventy-three wins? Yeah, like, would they have had to pick the record? 73 is not. Like, that wouldn't have had to be an A, but I wish they were still on, like, I don't know.

How many games were left in the season? Seven? Like, if they went out, they hit, like, six. Okay, okay, 66 wins if they went out. So great. Two games worse than last year. That's about, Yeah, okay. I can understand. I feel like maybe I'm just getting caught up in maybe like the doomerism that I talked about with the Nuggets. I really feel like that permeates my point of view for like every single team. And I'm like J. Dub sucks. This season is terrible. But there is. I do agree with like A.J. Mitchell propaganda. I do agree with like how they have weather these injuries. Like I think they've done a much better job handling the injuries than a team like the Denver Nuggets did. And so yeah, I don't know. I could be talked into like a minus. The B was never supposed to be like

derogatory. I'm just like it's fine. They're your ops and you got to hate on them. It is what it is. No, I understand. It's not a rivalry. They always kick our ass. Even more reason to hate. I see. I see. They have an interesting last six games. They have the Lakers tonight, the jazz, Lakers again, and then Clippers, Denver and Phoenix. So it's not a guarantee that they that they rattled off six straight and end up two games, you know, below what they did. But I mean, they're probably like at worst, what, three and three in the next three games and then, and go, go into the playoffs like that. So I, 63 and 19, like that's still probably get you the one. Bro, they probably surpass, surpass, like 65 games because Shay did miss like 12,

11 games this season and through those games. I think they're like eight and four or some of that nature. So it's like, I will say, if they do go three and three, his last six games, people are going to ring the fucking panic alarm. They see they lose three times for the playoffs. They will be the most manufactured. Is the run coming to events? A couple of those will be Lakers. Like literally everyone in the world,

every MVP voter is going to watch those Laker games. And so if those are bad, it'll be like, which happens tonight. Wemby hasn't been playing like that. This comes out on Thursday at 3 p.m. Central Standard Time. Like four hours later, they will be playing against the Lakers. If Luca gives belts and Shea shoots tour dates and the Lakers beat them and claim their spot at the top of the Western Conference,

I will come back here and give the Oklahoma City Thunder an F as frauds. Lou Dort, you know what to do, man. Make that Luca Left Knee bleed. I thought you're, God, damn. Lou Dord, do what you do, man. I thought you were going to say he knows it do, Ludoort, shoot a bunch of times and miss a bunch of times. Fuck no, man. He got to protect his legacy.

You're calling for assassinations. I mean, that's what he does. You know what to do. Call on criminals hired it, man. Pull out the Dortinator, man. Okay, duphinsop. Dortinator. You have been dorted.

Boiland Trailblazers. About the same level as expected. Nice little 10-11. Did you guys hear about they're like, not scandal, but they're like GM and also their like head draft dude. Mike Smith. He got like, he got suspended because he was tampering with the latest draft pick Hansen Young. Oh, Smiths was. one that got to take for that.

Yeah, Smith and someone else. Okay, I saw those two officials. I don't know what Smith who did it. Yep, yep, yep. And he's suspended for like some time now. Yeah, this is that. Two years ago they tampered and illegally contacted Hansen. Is it Yang Hansen or Hansen?

Yang Hansen. Yang Hansen. Two years before they should have, which I guess was a year before his draft date. And illegally contacted him, tried to set up, getting him in the draft. Find $100,000 to two team officials suspended for, is it an unknown amount of time or did it get later? A period of time. A period of time. Could be tomorrow.

They're back, really. It's not on the wrist. Yeah, they just had to go sit outside. Go watch them do post moves for two hours. That's your punishment. I guess. I'm worried. I gave the Blazers a D.

How much? No. What are you guys doing with that? Be smoke. I can't let anybody forget. Their coats got arrested at the start of the season. This is the second time. This is the second time that the Portland Trail Blazers have been found for wrongdoing in their basketball club.

They have an F. I don't care. is going on. And they gave their coach an extension coming into the year and he got hemmed up. We are not giving them anything other than an F. Okay. I was going to say shout out. Shout out Donovan Klingen making it clear he's going to be in a Libra protector. I'm sorry. Shout out Denny making an All-Star leap and being a good wing playmaker. Federal charges make all of that go away. Fair enough. That's the extent of our conversation. Federal. That's what it stands for. That's what it's short for. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's like Jalengen. When I look at teams like this, like team, well, because I, people bought on the Blazers last year when they had that fun little defense run at the end of the year. I did not like, I just don't really buy into this team as being like, I don't know. Having that bright of a future or anything. Klingin is the only guy that I look at and I'm like, okay, this could be a guy that's like a foundational piece. Yeah, they're like a, they're like a calves blow up. Donovan Mitchell trade to be your best player with Denny and Klingen there away from. from being really good.

But I don't feel like Denny's going to be a like 1A type of guy. Kling is really good. And like if he's Gen Z, Rudy Goberi, that's an amazing player to have. They, their lack of ball handling despite top picks all being ball handlers for years on end in Shaden Sharps, go, et cetera.

None of those guys really hitting in any interesting way. It just feels like they're building around the stuff. That's important. Bro, Denny is bullsack-leven. Mm-hmm. Beast mode. Beast mode. Denny's fake.

I wasn't going to say. Like he's just like. a losing player. I've been up here saying. This is not a pro-Denny podcast, never has been. That's not that good. I like Klingin. Shout out to Klingin, man.

But like, if they could find a team, the problem with Denny, I want him to sell high, but the problem is he doesn't make enough money to get traded for an equivalently talented player. Like, it's very tough to find the street spot there.

But like, Denny and Jeremy Grants for Donovan Mitchell. Let's cook. Ew, I don't want to do that to Donovan. I'm like, you want to do that. I would love to do that.

Yeah. I'm not a big down I'm a Mitchell guy. But we don't have to get into that right now. Like, I don't want, he already fucked up Evan Mowbley. I don't even fucking cling it. It's fine.

It's fine. Hey man, let's go to the east right now. I need to hear this conversation. The Mitch has never thrown a lava day in his life. Zero interior reeds. Just gunning it in close out games where they lose. Messed up,

just. Just 40 shots. The hell on it. No, I mean, he didn't mess up him Mowgli. It would be nice if your best player was a plus passer for your big man.

It would be nice if we didn't have to get it. Hardin made him really good right away, you know. Surprise, surprise. It would be nice if your best player could pass a little bit when he dribbles the ball all the time. Made him really good. Like, Evermobley has no say in the matter. Like, every moment he has no agency.

He got his hands tied behind his head. Hey, right. If you make Evan Mobley post up, it's going to go poorly. I think we know where the strengths and weakness fly. Let's get that motherfucker pick and roll, please. Yeah, we do give him some help. The self-creation leap isn't there. We need to feed him.

Timberwolves. How do we feel about the Minnesota Timberwolves? A team that's been two straight conference finals. Always expected to be a sneaky team that can make a deep run because of that. No point guards this season after Mike Conley fell off a cliff. Trade for I.O. Basically, new point guard Anthony Edwards. Julius Randall struggles.

Rudy Gober is still dominates. All the young players around that kind of, man. Shout out to Bonds Island. Shout out to Bowens Island. Busy bones. Don't ask about Tarynx Shannon, Jr. Don't ask about Rob Dillingham. What do we grade it?

I actually wanted to give it a C, but you told me about all those other moving pieces towards it back into having to move off of Rob Dehleham and having that just be officially like dead this year. But they got I-O for him. Yeah, they got I-O-form. And I-O is like, he is product of better than good player, both ends, pushes the pace and all that. I love it. But considering the expectations that I had for them, I thought they were like to firmly be like a top three seed, specifically number three seed in the Western Conference this year. And it just didn't happen. They're about what I expected.

I think I put them like five or six when we did our rankings. See, you are what I thought you were. I thought the issue of the playmaking would be there. I thought I hate the idea of point Anthony Edwards being the way he's forced to develop. Still feel that way. Still wish you had a legitimate passer next to him. Still wish you had any sort of playmaking around him as not Julius Randall with the slump he was going through.

But you do have the floor of having Gobert and having Ant to make you just good enough that come playoff time. You have a puncher chance against literally anybody? Nice average C. Yeah, I went C too. But if I was a Wolves fan, I think I would be D disappointed. Because it's just, if I, when you look at the Lakers, I really don't feel like they're that much.

They're like two full seeds ahead of us talent-wise. And I feel like there's been so many different moments throughout the Wolf's season where there was just like really avoidable bad stretches. And it's come from like a variety of different places. The relationship between Anthony Edwards and Chris Finch has been like weirdly a story this year. I feel like the writing is on the wall for Julius Randall running into like a good playoff defense at some point in the postseason. Gobert, shockingly, like he's been like incredible, maybe the most consistent player on the team. You know what his weaknesses are, but like he's still been incredibly impactful defensively for his age and everything.

And they made good moves along the margin. Like, Dillingham for Io, I don't view that as a negative at all. Like it sucks that they, you know, did all. all of the draft capital stuff to pick up Dillingham, but I'm not like sunk cost fallacy here. They got a better player at the deadline for a guy who was really bad. So like I'm cool on stuff like that. For sure.

Yeah, overall, they kind of just are. They are what the median expectation was, I think. They didn't make a big leap that you would have like to see. But I think that leap and the hope there was really, really built on some fraudulent hope there that, like, guys like Taryn Shannon will become better than the killer's under Walker and give you some giant upgrade there, the fact that we don't need a point guard because Ant can just do it.

He's just fine now being the lead point guard that he would just kind of naturally become James Hardin. I didn't have high hopes for any of that. There was obviously an outside chance that maybe it all did go well and they become a top three seed. But I think it went about as it should have went. Their entire, the entire hope,

because in each of the last two years, the regular season has ended, and nobody's really believed in the Tim Wolves, but then they've gotten to the conference finals and then we're like, oh, I guess they're better than we thought. And so two years of that happening Now everybody in the regular season is like okay You need to perform like a team that's gonna make it

To the Western Conference Finals and they're just not that Maybe they're just only good when nobody wants them to be good When the chips are down when they just like have to lock you When they're backs against the wall That's the only time they can do anything And yeah like knowing like their pattern They might come out and they might make the worst of conference finals And like what they're gonna be like San Antonio in the second round

It's gonna be like oh my God You literally can't be shocked that happens that's the point yeah It's weird but I would go see as well Yeah, I'm just tempering all my expectations until they move to the east, man. It's like a two, three-year-old thing for me. Utah Jazz, what do we grade them? Tank, the most blatant tanking season of all time. Keonti George made a star type of leap offensively at least.

Offensively at least. Ace Bailey is getting a lot of usage in his back half of the season, killing it in March basketball, using him in way. They're basically giving a lot of marketing role in a lot of these games, running them off these screens, let him do some ball handling. They handle fucking sucks, but he's big and can really, really slash right now. So it's really coming together in some meaningful ways. Trade for Jared Jackson Jr.

That did happen this season. That definitely is a part of this. Set up kind of well. Yeah, I go, I go D. Damn. Just because. Damn. Just because of them, like, trading for.

Oh, no. They disgrace the game. Like, they 100% have sent the lead. Like, their specific actions, everybody was already talking about tanking. Their specific actions have made the tanking conversation. Good point. What it is that has sent Adam Silver into this like super super.

His ass went spiraling. Existential crisis. You're right. It's because of them. And he's going to do something stupid about it too. He's going to do a stupid ass rule because Jared Jackson sat down that one time in the fourth quarter from a reason. So you might ruin the Lee Utah Jazz. So as so reactionary.

Will Hardy is offenheimer. That's wrong. Yeah. Wow. Yes. I feel like I like the moves that they made. I don't really buy the Keanu. George Leap and stuff, I'm not gonna lie.

Yeah, I also don't buy the worst defender in the league being a huge part of the championship team. Yeah. But like I think I think bookings, man. This is crazy. I think buying low on Jared Jackson is cool. Yeah, I just like him. He's cool. I don't really care about like, I don't care about the disgrace in the game or whatever, but like I just don't fit.

When I look at the other tanking teams, I kind of try to base part of my grade with them is like how many of your young prospects gave you like promise. flashes that you think they could be a part of the team moving forward. And it's like, okay, let's say Keontay George is one. After that, it's like, I don't know. Shout out to Bryce sensible. Um, shout out like Ace Bailey in March. Cody Williams in March. Like, there's just not that many other parts of the team where I'm like, oh man, we've really got something cooking here. And so, yeah, I think like, I'm investing all stock. I'm going to touch as for me. I am too. And I think if I will feel the same way as you. you jack if they just if they didn't have the jaron jackson thing happened for them i think that helps

cover up a lot of the stagnation in their young player development and of course like kiante's cool slightly controversial player because the other half of the fucking court he doesn't do shit at all but um if it wasn't for the jaron jackson thing like i'll feel just so like whatever and i'll be like yeah this is another i hate rebuilding teams that just literally waste years and pretty much sit on their hands doing nothing and just have players not grow at all but they are growing so i like Exactly, exactly, I agree. But going back to what you said, it can't be higher than it be because the whole higher taking, terrible.

Yeah, I think we can't forget they're going to have a top eight pick in this draft. Even if they don't get one of the superstars up top, let's say they get picked six and they draft Kingston Fleming, whatever. And they have another point guard in there that maybe becomes better than Keonti George, maybe can play a little bit of defense. The fact they can have that point guard rotation, let's just use that example, and then start Ace Bailey, Larry Markening, Jared Jackson, Walker, Kessler, and have this crazy, unique gigantic lineup of players that aren't completely terrible on defense and have

wildly difficult to plan for issues as an offensive team that you don't have anybody small enough to hide that that's going to be a good team i feel like that that's going to be a top eight team next year i i'm not i'm not sure about top eight i i i am i'm optimistic about them as well and i like the move too because it's the same thing like with them and the wizards i'm like you guys have been bad for a couple years just go do something to me those are very different think so. I think both of them are poverty teams right now that are like, yeah, let's go

let's go get something, you know, let's go spurge on something for once. But with the with the jazz, like, I can understand giving them a B because if you're looking at every taking season as a season to set up for the next year, then that's, that's fine. And I get that. I just they, they,

their season really is to me, bind a lot by the levels in which they, they tanked and, and, and the conversation that, that, that, that happened. Good job, jazz. You tank real good. I appreciate it. And so that's, that's what,

that's what I'm going to do with. Listen, they get Aegee DeBonsa this year. All is forgiven. You have a crazy team next year. You got it, boy, you get the fourth, sixth pick again. I'm going to get the ninth page. Shame on you. What's crazy. I feel like, I feel like the jazz in.

Too terrible defendants. God. I'm out. No, no. Jazz, I feel like they had in recent weeks, like the closing lineups they've had in some of these late games. Like, I feel like the tanking conversation has died a little bit in terms of like, I'm going to punish you this season from Adam Silver. But there have been games where like Cody Williams has 20 going into the fourth quarter or something. And he plays, he plays two minutes.

They're like, we can't even, it's got to be like Bez-Bang closing lineups and shit. Like Isaiah Harkless closing lineup and shit and so like who the fuck is that guy? I saw him the other I saw Isaiah Harkas the other day like maybe like last month actually

and I was like yo Harkless Maurice is back in the league I'm like oh no what I said Isaiah yo you just said two names and I said who

yes dude Bez bang I have literally never it's B-E-Z M-B-E-N-G Bez-B-E-N-G Bez-B-B-B-B-B-Hat They're giving folks opportunities

over there man yeah dude if you need some run get on the He will fucking play you in the fourth quarter, dude. All right, that is 36 minutes on the Northwest Division. Pacific Division time. What do we grade the Los Angeles Lakers for their season?

Sitting at the three seed, had a terrible December, middle of the season. Everybody was complaining. DeAndreighton was looking like the worst versions of Portland, DeAndreighton. Luca Donchitz was looking chubby again. He was missing all these shots, throwing up hella bricks, Austin Reeves was hurt. LeBron was looking like the worst playing the league. Like he was super washed.

Jay J. J. Redd was sitting on his hands. But before that and after that, pretty. goddamn good team that has had more good months than they have bad months. So it's a three seed with an MVP candidate. Where does that net out? That's out at a B. Pretty good. Pretty good.

Yeah. I wouldn't B too. I'm teaching like B plus. Not A. To get A, you have to be like, we have to have a realistic championship hope for you. You have to maximize your Lucidontia season.

That would be needed to get an A. And that would have required them to make a deadline trade and go get Andrew Wiggins or somebody like that. They didn't do that. So B, this is the best case scenario of you essentially punting the season in hopes of really building something better this coming off season when you have more assets and don't waste them on a marginal move that you could have done at the deadline. So with a less than ideal situation where you know you're not going to get the best version,

they made the most of it so far. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I want to give it an A, but I can't because of how poorly the season started. The whole LeBron thing, there's always so much like just random shit happening over there in L.A. Like you said, between him, LeBron and Austin Reeves being out, him,

Boston Reed being looking like a fucking top 20 player in the NBA. I think you ranked them around that range for the beginning of the year him telling off a little bit. But all and all, but Luke is amazing. If you would have told me at the start of the year that it was all the controversy happening, that they would win 50 games, possibly

even more, which they will win more. I'm like, hell, like, that's fucking impossible at this point. I don't know how. Luke is doing 32% from the three-point line. Look how DeAndre Ains is looking right now. It's all coming together. Speaking of Aiden, I don't know if we were all kind of like realizing this, but Despite that middle of the season stretch where he was Alejandro for a few weeks and looking really, really horrible.

He started the season incredible and has since locked in, since he looked in the mirror and said, you're not that guy, pal. We are getting the optimistic view of what he could have been. I think Josh is the bad guy. Oh, okay. Alejandro is a good guy. Alejandro is a good guy. Alejandro is cool. I think Alejandro is chill.

Okay. Josh is the lazy fuck who looks at the ground and gets sad. Yeah. So he's not boxing out right now. Yeah. Josh is sad. He's back to DeAndre. And he's, we're getting the version of like, oh, he could be good if Luca Dantches can save him with his gravity in Yonji.

yada, that's kind of happening again. Have they turned around their season the most compared to any other team? Clippers. Clippers. The clippers and hornets. It's them too.

Yeah, the horn. The apartment is the Lakers, perception-wise, have turned it around. They were never as down bad as it felt. They were like the fifth seed and we were like, fuck, the sky is falling,

Lucas Wash. Like, it was never actually as bad as it seemed. Yeah. Yeah. I would say if you told me at the beginning of the year, they have, you know,

Austin Reeves misses a lot of time, but you get a lot of games out of Marcus Smart. He's pretty healthy. DeAndre Aitin in the aggregate is a positive player and you end up as the three seed That's that is like a successful season and I get like you want the the championship upside and it doesn't really feel like it's there But overall I would still say like you know up and up like I'm comfortable with a B here Do we feel so last year obviously they had the hot stretch before the playoffs started and after the deadline when they got Luca but didn't get a center

It was like oh cute season we'll see what happens next year then they got hot when 24 and we were We're like, guess you got to respect them. Guess they might make a deep run. Guess nobody wants to see Luca Donchich Austin Reeves and LeBron James on a good day. Got fucking blasted. Do we feel like this run and this version of the team with the improvements they made, the real big man group they have, a better, skinnier Luca Donchich, a bought into third option, LeBron James, an elevated Austin Reeves, year two, JJ Reddick.

Is this a real, could make a run if the right thing breaks some type of team? Like, would you be shocked or do you have more faith that could actually make the conference finals? When we say run, yeah, when we say run, are... Conference finals. final? Yeah. I guess. Yeah, like that's on the table.

Can they upset the Spurs in a realistic pathway for you? That's tough because it's all like contingent on their defense, which has been better over the last, like, since really all-star break. I think they're like teetering towards like top 12 or 13 or something crazy. They went sicko mode against the Cavs. I don't know if I'll sell that game. Both sides the ball. They were looking at the fucking Showtime Lakers for a second.

Yeah, it's crazy. Seeing how like that, how they've been like limiting turnovers and shit, like it's good. It's good stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if it sounds crazy. Yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make, if they're making a run into the Western Congress finals because of all those things. And, you know, at the end of day, because everything and I think, I don't, this necessarily doesn't have much to do with them, like shout out to them.

But every other team has gone through so much. And they damn near have like real life identity crisis. Meanwhile, the Lakers have just figured everything out at the perfect time. You mean all the teams three and below? Yes, excluding the Spurs and Thunder. Jack, can the Spur? Can the Lakers make the finals? They're in the better part of the bracket to do so.

Like, I was, when Reeves hit that missed free throw to beat the Nuggets, I was, like, I saw this exact timeline play out. I was like, well, we can't play the Rockets in the first round now. We're going to get the wolves, and I'm going to fucking die. And that's kind of how it's, like, panned out. But for the Lakers, you get that Rockets match at first round. I'm sure we'll talk about them. I'm sure everybody here loves the Houston Rockets.

And then in the second round, the Spurs is tough, but I would rather play the Spurs than the Thunder at this point. Like, you have to pick one. And I guess, like, if you want to talk about Luca was kind of able to nullify Gobert in that Wolf series a few years ago with a good roller. Now, Aiton isn't Derek lively, and Wenby's probably got some more smoke for him on the perimeter than Rudy Gobert did. But I don't know. Like, I would rather play the Spurs than the Thunder if I'm the Lake. at this point. So like, can they do it? I would say no, but they're in, they're in solid position to do so. Okay. So we're not predicting it, but it's always possible when you have

these, this cast of characters. Yeah. Yeah. Also, right now, your Nuggets, you guys are getting, you guys are getting the Rockets in the first round. Is that true? Yeah. The four, the four, five right now is Nuggets Rockets. And there's a half game difference there. So it's going to come down to the last day of the season. Uh, wow. You know, maybe the Nuggets is the easy list. lick on lick it maybe it's two dumbasses button heads fucking licking rocks together

all right next team in the Pacific Division Golden State Warriors what do we grade this season in which Jimmy Butler tore his ACL I think 20 games in the season Steph Curry's missed a majority of the year

it's coming back on Saturday for no fucking reason and John he's a Hooper who loves the game sure John the Camca got shipped off to Afghanistan and basically none of the other young players

made a big leap Yeah, man This is enough Nothing went wrong Nothing went right at all Everything went wrong You have nothing to look forward to At all, bro

No player like you said No players made any leaps Jremont's getting older getting worse Steph Curry Oh my God, bro Shout out KP He exists for the

Go into the room The Kaminga Porzinga swap is like The one thing you can point To be like We got better The spreadsheet say That we got better And it's like

Okay But to what extent it doesn't matter at all. I don't know why step is coming back. I think if if Memphis wasn't 11 games behind them in the standings, the Warriors definitely would have just punted the season by this point. They kind of can't so they're I guess like you tried to put on the facade that you're going to be competitive in the plan. But I think everybody top to bottom in that organization would rather have, you know, the 12th pick than like fall a little bit further in the draft. and get blitzed by the thunder in the first round.

Yeah, they're not going to make out the plan. Yeah, they're dead in the water. Speaking of the plane, Los Angeles Clippers, sent out 39 and 37, after historically garbage start of the season in which we all thought that A.J. DeBonso would be wearing a Oklahoma City Thunder jersey at the expense of the Los Angeles Clippers.

They have a miraculous turnaround, one of the better teams in the league. Since that go, Coad Leonard playing as a true top five to seven player in the world again, something that maybe we thought would never happen. You ship off James Hardin, and downgrade in age, 10 years, get a young All-Star and Darius Garland,

where does this net them out from, from what their expectation should be as a franchise? We'll go B. What? Gotta be an A. I'm gonna go A. You're crazy. You're fin-out the greatest sell-high opportunity

in the world on Kauai Leonard this summer. Bro, you got, okay, outside. The first half of the season did, did happen. I'm not, think. That's where I'm coming from. I gave them a B too. I think it's a good thing that it happened. Because we got Darius Garland for James Hardin,

who's 37 years old almost. The shitty start is a blessing in the skies. It's so much better for them long term. They weren't going to do shit anyways. If they had had a good start of the season and come into the playoffs with that duo, they weren't going to be better than they were last year in which they lost in the first round.

It worked out in the... Have you seen Darius Garland in Clippers jersey? This is the best thing for that franchise they could have possibly had happened to shit. What month is it? Yeah. Fuck. Don't make me act ration with Darius Garland hype.

I loved, Garland is really good. I'm kill all small guards, Darius Garland, maybe I have a spot for them somewhere. Like, I get it, but like,

I don't know, the beginning of the seat, I thought they had a little bit of motion. Like, they could make some noise in the playoffs with that team if they were playing well. Like,

I don't know. I was surprised that they were that bad. And I did let it affect my ranking. She was like, I didn't feel great about them then. And to be honest, I still don't feel great about them now. Like,

you have Garland, who is a, building piece for the future. But, like, is anything else that's significantly different? Like, you still have none of your draft picks. It's going to be really hard to, like, do anything around this guy who is very rarely healthy. And so we would just say the same thing earlier this summer.

And if I told you, they got Darius Garland despite having no picks and ability to do anything. Yeah. You just said, what? That's the thing. Like, they are the clippers. We know what predicament there. And we all know about all the stuff that happen with aspiration at the start of

this season and all that. I have my expectations were in the fucking dirt. F for federal. But. That's true. So revive yourself and basically like give every NBA fan base

and all NBA teams like a chance to survive and not give OEC a topic to come out the fucking woodworks and have like one of the greatest, probably like the greatest turnaround in NBA history midseason to completely reconstruct your team. Having to face the embarrassment of the whole CP3 thing, having to face the embarrassment of one of your bigger

offseason acquisitions. and Bradley Beale breaking his fucking hip and not really having no type of memorable moments for your team at all. Like having to completely re-restruct your team the entire year.

Yes. It's a clippers. It's a clippers. But that's what I'm saying. They also have all these other things where like you have the aspiration thing looming over everything. Yes.

You brought in Bradley Beal, his hip is broken. You shipped out Norman Powell who was a bucket. And now like, obviously you would have liked to have that early on it in the season. For sure.

You discreet. the team legend in Chris Paul. I'm not about that. You have, you had all of that happen. And they, they dug themselves into a hole coming into the season. We were like, yeah, this team could win for the game. Like this team, this team could be good again the same way that they were last year. And so them, them having a slow start is 100% on them.

Like, like, shout out to them for getting back to this place. But they also put themselves in a hold that required one of like the best turnarounds of all time, but they were disappointing for a majority part of the year. So that's why I'm going to go be because there's all these other factors that go into it. Yeah, I could understand that. But the turnaround happened.

I don't know if we'll ever see this. Well, I say that in the corner. I mean, I'm saying, like, like the turnaround, if we're just doing it off of the last like 40 games, then okay, yeah, we're in and A, but we, we have the whole season. I remember this offseason

when they did Norman Powell leaves and they got Beal and John Collins, I thought they're better overall. Like, I thought they were like marginally improved. And so I thought like, I was never coming into this season being like, you know,

the clippers are going to be ass to start the year. They're going to be really bad. Like, I thought the future was very dark. But like, you know, I thought we were still in like the final season or two of this team that like we don't really have super high hopes for, but like they would be like, you know,

a sixth seed that you have to play in the first round that has Kauai Leonard. And so I don't know. Like that, if we're basing this off of what the expectations were coming into the season, my expectations were pretty good. And so even though we wound up there, I wouldn't consider it like an A season, I guess. Yeah, I agree.

My expectation was five seed. I think I started to put them in our predictions. So I was a little higher on the higher end of what they could be. I just don't lose a lot of sleep that they didn't get the opportunity to be a middling playoff team. that gets blasted in the second round. I don't care too much about that. So to me, it's better long term

to have this young all-star that can be a building block for you in whatever the next area is rather than being a sort of respectful playoff team that we say salute. You got Kawhi, but nothing happens. I'd rather have that outcome skew towards the long-term

for a team that didn't have like true, true championship ability. Yeah. I agree. Phoenix Suns. Speaking of teams that completely shocked us, 42 and 34, sitting at the 7th seed

where they've been just about all year. They were expected to be one of the worst teams in the NBA, they were, their owner, was beefing on Twitter with media personalities, saying, just watch what happens when we come back this year without the stain of Kevin Durant on our roster. We'll all see. We'll all be respectable. And we say, yeah, yeah, buddy, get ready to speak 14 seed and desperation with no picks.

Here they are. Playout team all year. Dylan Brooks came to the rescue. Dylan Brooks came to the rescue. Colin Gillespie came to the rescue. They saved Mark Williams defensive prospects. B for Brooks. Fair.

Yeah, I'm going A for them. This is an easy way for me. B for Brooks. I just feel like I wouldn't be because I do feel like in the past month, they have kind of started to slide more towards what I think the reality of their team is, which is like, there's some talented supporting cast pieces here, and they have, you know,

Devin Booker, you feel like you can win any given night with that guy. But generally in a really talented conference, this is an aimless team. And I feel like that's since Jailet Green's, started coming back. I don't really feel that good about this team. But I would still say we have blown preseason expectations out of the water. B plus. We'll do B plus there. Yeah, early season it was like they're just like hope core. They're just like farming respect by being so

good when nobody expected it. But then once you zoom out from there, you're like, damn, what's the path of getting better than respectable? I don't really know. Yeah. So maybe there are perpetual seven seed, which is maybe in their eyes better than being a perpetual 13 seed. So yeah, solid, It is. It is. I think it is. I think. And it should be.

Yeah. Especially when you like don't have control over, over your face. Like we might as well go be the seventh seed and have, have a good season. And we were ready to blast them off into the sun and the fact that there are the seventh seed. And like Jordan Ott has solidified himself as one of, you know, the best like newer coaches in the league. All of that is a massive, massive success.

Who's control of their pick this year? Is it a swap this year with the Nets? I have no idea. Bro, there's such a mess. I didn't want to get into it. Yeah. Because the Nets moved some stuff around. Or do the rockets have a swap?

After that. Yeah, it might be the rockets. I don't know. Whatever. I think there's a swap on that pick this year. I don't think it's outright giving away. I know they don't got it. I'll tell you what.

Washington has it. Washington has a swap? Yeah. Oh, so they have their pick this year. They're going to take this year. Yeah. There you go. There you go.

Yeah. They could have tanks. Oh, Washington has a wild. Washington has their swap? Your buddy, they're not swapping. Washington will receive the more. of its 26th first round pick protected for 9 through 30 and Phoenix's 26 first round pick. I'll tell you what.

We should have B. Souls read the protection on some of the most complex. That's like the most complex shit I've seen in a minute. It is. So I've got to beat these allegations, I ain't know why. If you dug yourself a hole. Yeah, I am in a clipper size hole right now. I'm going to lie. It's your arc.

You're in the second act of low point right now. but you can hit a climax where you're going to make your literate, bud. We're going to change your illiterate-ass life. I don't write a book by the end of the scene. Sacramento Kings, 15 seed in the Western Conference,

20 and 57. When we did our predictions, I think I put them at 14. So they're a little bit worse, taint a little bit harder than I expected. A plus, buddy. You finally did it. You finally got a position

to get a top pick in the draft. You had no hope of being good in my eyes. This is the best case scenario. They're forced to rebuild. This is bad, good, though. I'll give that a F. Who cares?

They were already going to be bad regardless. Now we're getting an outcome where they might get Cam Boozer, A.J. DeBanza, whatever. This is the best case scenario for the King's long term. But guess what? I care. How you get bad is always important. You're bad and you're old and you have nothing to look forward to all your young players who are supposed to be somewhat promising.

None of them look promising right now. And this is the start. This is why we got to be the 15th seat. It's profitable. De Monis sub bonus had to go ahead and go down for you to be this bad. And we can still trade sub bonus this summer. We're up. We're in a position.

If we decide to do some smart stuff, which is not a guarantee. They might just run it back with him next year. And another player doesn't fit at all with him. They want to. Probably. Promise you. I also don't know who's trading for DeMontasabon,

so maybe they're stuck with him. Yeah. I gave him an F. I was gonna, last night, I was like, because I was on Isaac's wavelength here where it's like,

you know, finally they bottomed out or whatever. But on February 21st, they had the worst record in the league. They were the number one worst team in the league. Since then, they have gone eight and 11,

And they played themselves back to their one game ahead of the Jazz for the fifth worst record, which drops your odds like 10% at the number one. Oh, they're not top four anymore? Yeah, dude. They played Demar Deroz in 38 minutes. Again, dumb, fucks. My bad, my bad. How dare I spend any time saying good things about them?

I should have known there's a caveat, a detail that I hadn't yet noticed. F. Yeah, they're tanking in the worst way possible. Bad process in tanking, breath. Non-intentional tanking. Shout out to Maxime Reynode, though. I wrote down They're like it's nice to have him

It's like a poor child who loves a broken toy Where it's like this this team is terrible And they have nothing going on We have we have this 22 year old Who could maybe average like 15 points per game one year Maybe That's great man I'm happy for you

I'm glad you have that Poor kids don't know how we got it man Damn The most appreciative people The most appreciative children in the world Oh my gosh. Southwest Division, San Antonio Spurs, a team that we all picked to be somewhere between

6 to 8, finally be a playoff team. But on the lower end of that, comes out, Victor Woman Yama becomes a top two MVP candidate. Stefan Castle makes a leap to be maybe 1A1B as the second best player on that team with Aaron Fox. The wing group that we thought was subpar all comes together because they have the best

defensive player in the NBA by a wide margin behind it, and now they are clear-cut second-best team in the league. Nice. I gave him an ad. I gave him an A. This is one of, I think, two or three A's that I gave out. Where heading into this season, I was stingy because I feel like it really needs to, like, blow me away. And the Spurs, there was several points in this year where I was like, okay, they're going to hit a wall at some point.

Like when Dylan Harper kind of started to, like, the shooting fell off a little bit and stuff was getting scary with him and Stefan Castle. Offensively, I was like, okay, you know, this was a fun story, but we're going to see them kind of sink into the muck. that the rest of the Western Conference is in, like this very tight seating race. You could also say that when Wembe got hurt, but instead they just powered through all of this different adversity and the shit that they've faced this year

to remain very clearly a top two team in the conference. So I'm extremely happy with them. And then if, like, you're a fan, you're extremely happy with the way all of the young guys are developing as well. Like, this isn't coming from... It'd be different if it was like Darren Fox is averaging 28, and it feels like there's a lot of pressure to be really good right now.

They are really good right now, but that pressure isn't there. It feels like they're just like on a very good road forward. So, yes, the guard play is incredible, right? Having these three ball handlers that are all capable of creating a paint touch with the best lob threat in the NBA, that synergy we talk about a lot is incredible. It is baffling to me.

You mentioned the young guys being really good. The medium young guys all completely found their way in the league this year. I had completely given up on Devin Vassil. He was a guy that like, not saying you couldn't be on a roster or anything, but in terms of him being like a really good role player, I kind of just like threw him out of my mind was a second thought,

just like, we'll see what happens. I gave up with Kelton Johnson four years ago. I didn't put too much thought in Champany being a starter level player for them, cool bench player. I gave up on Harrison Barnes three years ago and those players I just named are a part of one of the most effective wing groups in the league.

Now having Victor Romayama helps a lot. But that was why I thought they'd be like the seven Cs because I thought the wings wouldn't be good enough than it be a true top end defense. Boy, was I fucking wrong. You can have any wings in a world next to win being. It's fine. Dude, Devin Vassel is such an interesting player because he literally shapeshifted into every single archetype of a six six wing that you'd want to have in the league.

He came in from FSU, just known to being as like a long, rangey defender and all that. People were comparing him, well, could this be the next Kauai Leonard and also the shit? Of course, naturally. Then he went from that to being like somewhat of like a demarral. was a stereotype where he's just taking all these mid-ranges and he's like he's sharp making go shot making ability and now he's like just an absolute fucking sniper like he plays like Kyle Cobra now he's fucking he just runs off screens all day he plays like an athletic Cal Cover yeah he doesn't shoot quite like Kyle Cover but in that way of you know he plays

like six years JJ Redick where he just runs around being the spacer all day while also being a good point of attack defender now which I didn't really foresee yeah it's immensely immensely valuable I think like if Wembe was to ascend regardless I was gonna give him an A but because of all these other pieces that are just like working really well. And Dylan Harper, like being mad productive in year one of his rookie year, like this is the best possible outcome for them. Yeah. Obviously, it's a like they not the first time that we thought that they were going to be in

the playoffs, now they're going to be the two seed. And then for them in the regular season to perform the way that they did against OKC and show the thunder show everybody else, like we can hang with these guys. and if we get into a playoff series, we're not scared and we can beat them and we can make all of these upsets that is, like we can basically defy any expectation that you have of us,

we're capable of that. Yeah. And so the fact that they've showed it, you know, they've won, what, like, or they've lost like two games in the last, you know, 30 games that won't be played. Some crazy record like that.

But they might win the finals. They legitimately might win the finals. And that's not a, like, Lakers conversation where it's a cute puncher chance. they have maybe as good of a chance to the Thunder of win in the finals. And that's not really hyperbole for a team that has their superstar in year three.

Oh, man. That's great. So if they win, I promise, I'll be the loudest person on the planet. Because I've been saying Winby Goat agenda since, like, since Summer League, when he got dumped on by Kai Jones in Summer League. I was like, these are the valleys

that are great heroes have to go through in order to triumph. And so, I mean, we're ahead of schedule anyways I feel like with him being this good like legit best in the world ish case but if they win the if they win the finals this year

oh my god I'll lose my mind isn't it crazy how he's like everything we said about him that was hyperbought before he played a game he just proved it all it to be true like oh this is going to be the greatest defender of all time and it probably won't be a conversation by the time you said and done oh this is going to be the best plan in the world and it probably won't be a conversation by the time he's 24

oh this really will be one of the ten best players of all time and it probably won't be a conversation about the time he's 28. Like nothing, no glaze you can give, no hyperbole, no hopes are too high. He literally has answered every single call. The last person to do that was really LeBron. The only person to do that is LeBron. Even Jordan coming out of college wasn't like that. Exactly.

These are the only two guys who have ever been this high of expectations and both of them just, yeah, I got it. Yeah. And you know what's so crazy too? I still feel like he'd be better. He still has so much more room to grow. For sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh my god. That's what I said. By 24 he'll be best winner in the world with a clear cut. It's so crazy to think about last year he was taking like nine days a game. And so I don't know. Like it's just a very, uh, I agree like in terms of room to grow, there's like last year he just spent the entire season spamming these long range shots and like getting good at that aspect of his game.

And his three hasn't even bit like I feel like if he has a season where he's 38% on like four, four and a half. attempts a game, that already is like a completely unsolvable offensive problem. Really, he already is. He's like a top 20, top 15 offensive guy right now with all of like the places he could get better on that under the floor. It's insane. Yeah, we just did a offensive player rankings last week. I ranked him at 12 of offensive players right now, right above Kevin Durant. Yeah, I think I ranked him at nine. And I think what gave me a little bit boost of that is his often, like his passing and how I think that's just like massing underrated part of his game. So yeah. It was like, Donovan Mitchell and Kate Cunningham were the two players right above him. And then I went Wemby, Kevin Durant, 11, 12. Yeah.

Donovan. I had him at 14. Who's the 13? Okay, jerk. Who's the 13? Yeah, who's 13. 13. Oh, I have put, uh, brawn.

Okay. One game with the planet on the line, I want brown. Okay. I see it. There was a lot of caveats that they're not saying. Yeah, a lot of red state. There's no caveats in a ranking. There's a number next to the name, and it is what it is.

We have three shitters in this division tanking. Speed round through them. Grizzlies, Mavericks, Pelicans. Brits up, Grizzlies. What do you give them for their tanking season? Fucking F, because it wasn't supposed to be a tanking season. A tanking season happened literally a quarter way into the season. But they sold really hot in Jaron Jackson after selling Hawn Des and Bain.

Not the worst pivot in the world. They did. Sedge a coward. Looks like a real productive NBA player. But they left for John Morant. would have liked to trade him. Nobody was trying to roster him. So they're about two-thirds of a way

to a perfect rebuild. Yeah, it's not supposed to be a rebuild. Yeah. Do you guys think they were going to be good coming in? It's supposed to be more of like a retool. I don't care that we miss out of them being a nine season. I'll get them a see. Once the Bain trade went through, I'm C2.

Once the Bain trade happened this off-season, I was like, okay, this kind of is what it is. I would say their collection of draft stuff after both of the sell highs is pretty cool. Tye Jerome, I think, in very limited run, has exceeded all of my expectations. Cedric Coward was really good. And so, yeah, I mean, I don't know, like,

very about where I expected them to be. I'm, honestly, I give them points for recognizing when it's over. Exactly. And blowing it up. Exactly. Yeah, but we up here, and when teams are mid and don't blow it up, you get up here and you say, why, what are they doing?

What are they trying to accomplish? Blow it up. But then when a team realizes that and does it, where F, you weren't supposed to do that. This is a great thing. I just, I think I would be there if the vibes there still wasn't like what it is right now. And the whole, if jaw wasn't there, honestly, I would be like, yeah. That's true.

The vibe. Fuck those vibes. Bro, if jaw wasn't there, I'd be like, yeah. If they trade jaw, I would have given them an A, but they can't trade jaw. So I'll give them a C for jaw. They literally can. I'm so sick. That's why it's a C.

That's tough. I'll dock him a little because Zach Edy got ankle surgery again. And I'm starting to get really scared. You heard it here first? You heard it here first? Jack is docking John Morantz. Whoa. Dallas Mavericks.

Guys, Google docking, Google Image Search 4K. Dallas Mavericks, what do we give them in their first year? The one year they have control their pick. They are bad.

They trade Anthony Davis midway through the year. I forgot about that. Kyrie Irving didn't play this season. Rapid fire. What did they get? Did you guys hear? F or fired.

We fired Nico Harrison. We got him out to paint. Oh, do you give an A for that, which means that the season is an A. We have officially moved on. we are officially in the new era in the Cooper Flagg era but Cooper Flagg did say

this was the worst year of his life good for the Dodgers this is the one year they had to control their pick this should be the worst year of Cooper Flies life what did you just say these are the valleys

that our heroes have to go yeah yeah they have to go through you have to hit lows to hit highs you know exactly you gotta build calluses that's a problem with the generation nobody wants to go outside and punch rocks

I'm saying man I put dog medicine on my hands have you guys seen that guy yeah he's getting powers yeah yeah that's Cooper flag. Wait, wait, wait, what's happening right now? I haven't seen this. Jack, let's explain it. There's a guy on TikTok who's been spraying dog medicine on his hands

for two years to make to make the skin on his hands tougher so that he can like punch concrete and stuff. And he's starting to like when he moves his hand over like sand on a piece of tinfoil, the sand starts to float up to his hand. It's crazy. He's magnetic. You guys should check it out. I'm serious. What the fuck? He's magnetic. He's magnetic. It's real. We need to call the authorities. There's a chemical reaction in the dog medicine on his hand that makes him be able to move small matter This motherfucker is dangerous He can't be running around the street to loose right now Probably not

If he's achieved this what do you think he has going on next? He's in rob a bank Oh my god It's gonna be in Doomsday He's gonna pick up Candlestick Park like Magneto He's gonna do something with it We gotta handle And he's putting it all on TikTok

Yeah Yeah The intro is the same Dave Who's gonna get him Yeah They're gonna get him See, in the movies, you just do this on the low.

You don't tell anybody. Now everybody trying to put it on the internet. Then you just show up somewhere and you just destroy everything. New Orleans Pelicans. Now the CIA knows. They've got him on a list. Pelicans like A. Yeah, Pelicans, they trade their unprotected pick to move up and get their queen,

hoping that he's going to be the savior and hoping to be good this year. So the unprotected pick doesn't matter. They are not good. They've gotten themselves at a given top four odds to the Hawks, which I'm sure makes you very sad. But they're still a bad team. Zom Wimson is deprioritized. They're not maximizing him in a trade value.

Weird hodgepodge of two timelines. They don't know quite know what to do with the young players. Don't know quite know what to do with the veterans. No pick coming out of this. Just a lost year. And the guy exposed to being one of the cheapest. Oh, yeah. The cheapest orgs in the NBA.

F. That was a hilarious side thing. Until you fired Joe Dumars F. They really haven't had a stretch. Actually, no. When Dare Queen, like, first was taken off, early in the season. It's like, okay, maybe, maybe they, they did something here. But this team, every step from like offseason, summer league, beginning of the season, every way through,

has been operating at an F level. Yeah. You also fired your coach this year early on in the season. True, true. I think that was the first and only coach firing midseason that we've had, right? I believe so. That was the only one? This year? Yeah, this season, live in the year. I can remember. I guess so. Is really the only dead one? Are we forgetting somebody? Well, Chauncey got arrested, right? That doesn't count, though. Yeah, why not?

He had no choice, but they can't hired. What do you mean? Last team, Houston Rockets. Y'all got to have about them. I got to go fix his camera. Listen, technically, Tanti Billups has not formally been fired. He just got put on leave.

Oh, okay. Nice. Well, he can make the comeback then. All right, I fuck with this. Listen, you get a good lawyer. Tonsie Billups is on the sideline. next season. Damn.

I've been watching. Oh, sorry, you go. No, no, no, you go. I've been watching the wire and the lawyer

work on the wire is crazy. They keep getting all these guys in the courtroom on murder charges. And then the judge is like, how the hell are these guys walking? It's because their lawyers are so fucking good. The rockets, we got to kill them.

I mean, this is my worst grade. This is F minus. Really? Worst great for a contending team. That's crazy. I, are they contending?

They're not contending. They're not contending. They're not. I hate them. They're not content. They're a team with a lot of wins, but they don't have, they're not contended. Yeah. And what's crazy is, like, I hate the team. They're also by far my most watched non-nuggets team this season. I tune into like every single game because I know if it's close in the fourth quarter, we are going to get some crazy shit going down. And so, yeah, I mean, this season, we have, I'm pretty much like fully out on the Shangoon experience at this point. I would

say this team is the go-to example now for how important role players can be with the injuries to Fred Van Vleet and Stephen Adams just completely derailing their year. And then the freaking the burner scandal and shit. Like as if all that's a great thing. The burner like really takes it over the top. Yeah. Yeah. The Fred stuff is interesting too because like yes, yes role players matter and I agree with you on that. They also only had one actual point card on the on the roster and so it's like maybe you want to have multiple people at multiple positions that can actually do this job and not go every single year and say okay amen thompson last year you were doing this for us we're going to completely change your job

rich shepherd you basically did not play now you're going to be thrust in here to do this job like you need you need people that have done this job before with some level of experience and they just didn't do that. And the fact that, like, they were already teetering and the late game stuff and the offense was already, you know, kind of, kind of weird. But the moment Stephen Adams goes down and you can't lean on the offensive rebounding gimmick to the extent that you can, now you just don't know how to play basketball. That's crazy.

Yes, I agree. So my thing was I'm giving the meth because, you know, they. Yeah, we all give them. I know. I can hear it. For every team, every contending team in both conferences, like, things usually don't pan out the way this should be, but you have your pivots. You have certain ways to go ahead and shift the view of your organization and shift players, move players around and also their stuff. With the calves,

they went ahead, identified that there's growing stuff is not going to work. Fuck it, let's trade for James Harden. For the team like the OKC Thunder, okay, they need to bring an extra shoot in. They brought in Jared McCain and had all types of players step up. You know, for the Denver Nuggets, yeah, it hasn't been the perfect season, but they have certain things that you can walk away from and hold your high up high with. The, you know, the Houston Rockets don't have any of that. And I've identified also, too, that I feel a lot less about, I'm Ayudoka. He's one of the more uncreative offensive coaches in the entire league.

And also their individual players are so, like, they're all one way, you know, and they don't necessarily play cohesively together. You just have no pivots, no counters at all. And that's why they're at where they add. Yeah. So I can kind of excuse, or at least, like, understand that you're not going to be a, upper level team like we hope because you lose Fredavent fleet and you lose Stephen Adams. Kind of is what it is you're kind of unlucky in that regard.

F is totally deserved to me because I think you can now, as a Rockets fan, look in the mirror, think about your team and feel almost no hope about Ame Yudoka being the true topping coach you thought he was. Still a good coach, I'm sure, not saying you should be fired or anything, but you probably feel lesser about him and you have to feel lesser by Schengoon. I think the days of them yelling at me, telling me to respect him

or over. Nobody yells me anymore. They kind of just are sad about it. Dude, there's nothing more painful than to find out the guy who you thought was supposed to be your franchise player as a fan not be the franchise player. Yeah, when the ops get quiet and they stop adding me, I'm like, oh, it's over. Because now it's like, bro, that, this pivot is too big. You can't address this right now, man. I found a lot less Shingoon and Palo fans by mentioning this past year. Hey, I was going to say there's another guy in a very similar situation in the East that we're going to talk about. Yep, yep.

With the Rockets, I would just say, you make the Kevin Durant deal and then you have all of this adversity stuff happen. And when it goes down, ideally you would say we have our two all-stars to rely on that can keep us afloat-ish throughout all of these trials or whatever. And I would say both of those

all-stars that pretty much every opportunity have failed every test, it feels like, between. Like Shangoon, you know, four or five months of just completely terrible scoring. But then even Durant, which like, I guess, Because Durant, you don't want him to be the initiator at this point in his career. But we look back at those Lakers games that they lost back to back earlier this month,

where he was like very basic doubles at half court, and he was panicking. And shit, it's just like, I feel like on every level, you have to be really disgusted with this team if you're a Rockets fan. Yeah. On one hand, I give Kevin Durant a pass on the court. Like you said, there's no world in which he should be the lead initiator. it would look just as ugly if LeBron James had to do that this year. I think it's like the worst case scenario for him to play with no point guards. But in the other hand, we still have let him move on too fast from the KD files.

And we still don't put enough emphasis on the fact that there's leaked, confirmed messages of him saying Shangoon sucks and shouldn't be played through because he can't defend and calling another teammate mentally deficient. And we just let that rock and just like don't talk about it on TV because they don't know if it's confirmed or what to do with that information. We give him way too much or pass for being once again confirmed as the worst teammate. to ever live. I was going to ask, which of you guys do think is in a group chat calling each other the art word? Who's most likely?

Which of us? I don't know. I don't be actively in groups like that. I don't know. You pick, outsider's choice. Who you said? Isaac. Yeah, I'm obviously going to win. Isaac because he'd be texting a lot.

I feel like he's got a lot of opinions. That's probably the right answer. But was super quiet today. I couldn't believe I had to talk for so long. dude. Yeah, Kevin Durant, like, it really is the worst. And we just, like, kind of moved on from it. And we're like, oh, these double teams, fuck the double teams.

He is an asshole. Like, it is confirmed. Like, it is crazy that that happened. It was a big story, obviously, but it happened over All-Star weekend and, like, kind of got pushed under the rug because his actual name wasn't on it. And like I said, people on TV don't know what to do with that. What are they going to say? Like, Kevin Durant was calling his team at the R-word.

What do you do with that on TV in terms of that? like yeah the whole situation is is weird it's just you're right like we can't give him a pass on anything because like according to him that's god bro like you you should be able to handle some of this stuff so without god hates jabari smith that's what you're telling me given it like according to him like yo that's that's how he sees the world and so it's it is it is crazy that that the rockets are in this position you look up and they've won four straight does not feel like it at all The only good thing I could walk away from this season and be like, all right, you know what? I think it meant Thompson did get better, you know.

I don't know how people, like, I don't know what their expectations are when it comes to him. But overall, still progressing as a player, Reach Shepard looks like he's exactly what, pretty, pretty much what was expected coming out of college. But outside of that, you know, I'm just kind of scratching my head about them. Yeah. All right, let's move over to the Eastern Conference now. Central Division. We have spent so much time talking about the Milwaukee Bucks. how do you encapsulate into one grade

where they have the most annoying obnoxious will they, won't they trade Janus over the course this season? He doesn't want it, but he's leaking trades. I mean, he's leaking information that we'll see what happens and then they go through his whole debacle and then it turns out they don't trade him and now he tweets out a gift acting like he never

even thought about being traded. Whole obnoxious mess. Doc Rivers stinks it up again and says it's not my fault. My team's just hurt and they stink it up. It's not on me. It's on the players. None of the young players are impressive or interesting. What do we do with that? The dog season move that they made, Miles turned. So you're flipping on his fucking face.

This is a whole F, bro. There's nothing. Outside of Ryan Rollins, outside of them. He can't save you. Ryan Robes is not saving you. Yeah, I know. But if he wasn't, if he didn't ascend, this would be, it's already a complete another disaster.

But listen, at least you got some shelter. Who's better today? Miles Turner or Jackson A's? I'm not even thinking about it. I'm just, okay. That's kind of crazy. That's a fall from Graysman. Come on, man.

Yeah. Come on, man. I would go Miles Turner still. Yeah. I mean, like, these conversations aren't. Like, it just sucks that that's what you have to. Put your eyebrows down. God, damn.

It depends on the situation. No, this team sucks. Would I, as a Lakers fan, want that trade won for one? No. For your team? Congratulations. Yeah. This team suck.

This team does suck. This team is annoying. All of the stuff that you guys said. And I think by low on Cam Thomas is like nail in the coffin. Oh, my God. like the vibes of this year. Like the whole Cam Thomas experience in, I think it was 42 days he was on the team. So we went from 30 off the bench against the magic.

He hits the game winner with like his second game there. Dude, he's literally a plug and play, 20 point per game score to off the team in a month. Yeah, I don't know. They suck. This sucks. They wasted a year of Janus's prime. Yonis wasted a year of his own prime. We got another cycle of the pleases.

trade me i don't want to be traded thing i hate this team it's annoying he so i has a feel to watch one of your long-time ops of the Celtics fan just be dead and buried but like still like trying to dig out of the hole um amazing if you feel good you got to be real evil this season has been amazing for me i just has a whole all your opposite guy yeah they're they're all dying the warriors the mabs the heat the bucks the sixers kind of sort of of. Oh, yeah. It's great to be a Celtics fan now.

That's an annoying part. It is great to be a Celtics fan. Like, you're just the exemplary model for team building. All your ups suck. It's annoying. The other Eastern Conference contenders are paper tigers this year.

I hate that. Everything is so good for you. Yeah. I mean, as opposed to you, your life is the hardest of everybody. As a Laker fan, just getting superstars. Opposed to him having the best player

in the world on his team and he's never known anything other than the best player in the world on his team. The horrors of three. time MVP Nicole. Hey, hey. Come on, dude.

We've broken Valcunis can't play in the thunder matchup. My life is hard, okay? Detroit Pistons. One seed, wire to wire, dominating the conference. Kind of similar conversation with the Spurs. We're rare if they're going to be a good team, but they skipped like three levels and went to being the best team in the conference this year. Lots of leaps.

Jalen Dern is a legitimate also level player after two years ago being a terrible room protector and us being like, when are you going to be big for a good reason? Now he's big for a great reason. everybody's developing well. C's a top 10 player. Where'd we go? Listen, man, I'm giving this an A. I'm giving this an A.

The only thing that could make this possibly better is if they like traded for another offensive weapon but instead they got Kevin Herder, got off of Jayden Ivy, perfect fucking time into the goddamn world. Shout out to your TM, bro. Good Lord. We didn't even talk about that.

There's nothing to say. There's nothing to say, bro. Just amazing job. Shout out to you. People were the comments that I bet they won't talk about the Jaden Ivy situation. What do you say? Talk about what? What are you saying?

What do you mean? Shit sucks. He was silenced and depressed. The NBA hates Christianity. Talk about it. Get the whole fuck out of my face. Yeah. I would say A minus,

whereas the spurs were an A plus for me. Because even with Cade, I was still a little hesitant with like the real championship upside of this team. I do think there are still some pretty serious problems they could run into if they matched up with like the Celtics or somebody.

But with the expectations they had coming into the season. season versus where they're at now and versus how that boost has been propelled by their two best young players really three because like shout out to a sart too and everybody uh yeah yeah it's an a for sure for me jland durand just up 31 on the raptors on 12 13 from the field listen 92% for the roberters just lost to the sacramento kings they're not playing series basketball that's crazy dylan durrance still shout out to him 92% on a 30 point game for jland durand i never would have expected that this year go who man

And it's all like on ball. It's crazy. Not all on ball. But it's like a good amount of onball creation. Got to. Yeah. They're A plus. The easiest A plus.

The easiest A plus. Another easy one. Pacers tanking gap year. I don't know if you're happy with how they went about their gap year, but they're obviously going to have a gap year. I know there was some discourse early in the off season when they were clearly going to have a gap year. And people come up here and said they're going to tank. And their fans are like, we never tank. It's not the Pacers way.

We're going to be back in the playoffs. It's like, look at the fucking roster. No, you're not. I mean, everybody. Everybody did die on the roster. I'm going to go deep for them. For die. Damn, you hate rebills.

No, I think I understand Zubach is a really good player. I think that deal is wildly risky. It is. And I think opening, knowing that you're in a situation like this where Tyrese is going to be out, seeing how the season played out and knowing that like, oh, we legitimately are going to be at the top of the draft with some of the best odds. and then to open yourself up to the possibility that if it's between five and nine, that pick is no longer yours at all.

And now you just have this season. I think that's very, very wild. And I would not have done that. And so I think that's kind of crazy. So that's why I'm giving them a D. Okay. Yeah, it's a weird situation because it's not like they have like a blossoming young core that you're like watching build over a year.

It's just like the role players that are going to be here next year, like kind of biding time, hoping they develop, hoping Jaris Walker gets some more on-ball reps and it works out for him next year. it's like a gap here that's not even like what happens in these age who games feels like it hardly matters yeah I agree yeah oh you go I'm sorry

no no go ahead well I was just gonna say this is the only team I put a question mark for like I didn't grade them at all because I think it doesn't matter until we get the lottery if they lose that pick the season is an F even though the Zubot's deal is like quote unquote good process or whatever

and if they keep that pick I would give this season like a B honestly like you see said they don't have any young players that I'm like, oh man, this guy's turning a corner with these developmental reps or whatever. They just have, you know, see, Ackham's doing his thing. Nemhard is doing his thing, whatever, uh, knee Smith when he's there. But I just like, yeah, I don't care about the games being played. I really only care about how they're set up for next season. If they, like Caleb Wilson at four plus, plus Zubots, that is like a crazy haul. But it is this insane risk.

Like really, I think it Can I booser in the Aaron Gorda roll next year With Zubotch? That would be nasty. He's going to the Wizards. Chill. Is that who you want the Wizards to get? Hey, I would like it.

It would be cool. Yeah, but I would give this, I don't know. Small forward, Alexar. See right now, small forward for, well, small forward, booser, Sarr power forward, Anthony Davis Center. Dude, this is literally, we're insulating Boozer's defense with two all defense,

guys, come on. Putting about his worst defensive position. Oh, Bollinger. God. Yeah. I don't know. I fuck with the Pacer C's I would give it a C

and then when the draft happens I'm changing my rating depending on what happens. I guess. You don't want to skip the Bulls? Yeah. Who? Cleveland Cavaliers

after training for James Hardin shipping off Darius Garland showing that they're all in a winning championship this season. Otherwise, changes will probably be made. How do we feel about them and what that stands for? I think they got better.

I like Keanu. I like Dennis Schroeder. Obviously the James Hardin trained. at least short term could be viewed as like a as a win. But knowing who James Hardin is throughout the playoffs, he has like the track record of like falling off the cliff always. But at least he's going to be there.

He's not your savior. I think I'll give this a B or C. I'm going to C for them. I went to C minus. Yeah. That's fair. Definitely non-leap dominates the headlines and it's unfortunate. He's still a good player, but sucks.

You didn't get that leap at the same time. You had to lose Garland. So in terms of your young core that you thought would be these. this duo together for so long, one stagnated, one's gone, that stings. You really, it kind of does feel like they're all in on this year. And if they flame out, what happens? Like, I think nothing's off the table. And I feel like coming into this season, when it was still Pacers Gap Year, Celtics gap year, the Cavs were a team where I was like, this is their year to, at minimum, feel like one of the two heavy hitters in this conference. And that has not happened. And I don't think

the addition of James Harden and Ellis and Schroeder really moves the needle that much in that direction. And so I'll still keep it at C-minus because the overall love, like, there's still a pretty good team or whatever, but I still just have a very hard time feeling compelled by this roster in any meaningful way. Yeah, it's unfortunate.

The last year was their window. Injuries fucked it. They fucked it. Yeah. And it's kind of just gone. it's over tough shit so who's Donald Mitchell

playing for next year do we care I do I think it matters who DeMitch plays for next year oh well history says it does not why that's so fucking mean

name me a year give me a single year or it's matter I mean it's ridiculous name of polls you're Donald Mitchell's been relevant that's so crazy What I do hope, though, is that Donald Mitchell gets to play with a player as good or better than him.

No, you don't. That's not, that's not praised, but, like, I do hope that we get to see him play with a playmaker specifically. Like Adair's Garland, but somebody that he has to, like, see touches too more. I do hope, I want to see Donald Mitchell in a little bit different role. I just don't know that player exists. It's, like, a very weird middle ground between, like, he's so, he's, like, so good that there's not that many players better than him, and any player better than him. the team is not really in a position to be like we need to bring in Mitch right now, dude.

Like I would love to see Demich and Tatum. That's not realistic. Like that type of fit of like a player better than him that does the small things like that and we'll take enough shots away from him that. Detroit? I guess, but they're not trading him to Detroit. Yeah. And like I don't know if Detroit was going to make a big move. I don't know if another guard is what they'd go for.

It would be cool. But yeah, you're right. Maybe there's not that team on the table. But I'm not going to be sad if this era of Cavs basketball ends up for the year. year tough where can he go oh yeah so let's go exercise if he they lose in the first round today july first comes around he's available request of trade who makes a call uh i i legitimately think the lanahawks are interested in they're like yo if if the pelicans pick isn't as like is if it's not like a top maybe four pick and then as a big five or whatever i think they're

interested because citch mccallum's cool we know what type of guard we need to elevate this team and Donovan Mitchell's like obviously like the best version of what C. Jim McCallum is right now. So I think they're interested. They're calling. I want I'm better for John. I can see Toronto. I can see Toronto just like, I agree. Just make making making a call seeing if he's available. Maybe the Houston Rockets want to pivot for some reason. Well, they need to pivot. And this could be for some revenues. I wonder why. Maybe the jazz get them back. They have all these young pieces. I would put together Ace Bailey, Keanuth George and a couple picks.

Bring him back home. He will never be on a contender dog. But low-key, listen, that's never happened. If the Jazz got him back, but now they have this giant roster of players, Lowry, Jared Jackson, Kessler, all this stuff. That's too expensive a roster to make sense. Practicality. But, like, that would be, like, a decent spot for him again.

Portland, if they just want to do stuff. Oh, Portland might be the answer, actually. Yeah, Portland, that would be interesting. That's the Denny sell high. Okay. D. Mitch and Mitchie Klingin. If I was a Cows fan and I went for D-Miss to Denny, oh, my goodness. James Harden and Denny, oops.

Garland and Mitchell to Denny and James Hartton like one year. That's nasty. Evan Mobley, it's your turn. Speaking of the Atlanta Hawks, Southeast Division, what are you great in the Hawks season, Mo, in which they trade your franchise legend, your favorite player of all time, now plays for the Wizards.

Listen, man. It's a crazy title. I know. At the start of the year, we mean you, I think Isaac predicted that they were going to be like a four, you were from like four to six right now. they're at like five.

We didn't think that it was going to be here with Cidum McCollum at the helm of this team or one of the homes of the team, Dalen Johnson. Of course, like we kind of expected this, or at least I expected this leap to happen. Nikola Alexander Walker seems like he should like, it's hard to say to run away with M.

most improved player of the year award because there's so many other like top in caliber talents of that right now. But it feels like he deserves that. Is he the favorite? He should be. I think of Kong was revamped his game. Jail and Daryland. Oh, Daniel Dern is?

No, no, that's my opinion. Wow, let me check. Interesting, okay. Yes, he has a favor right now, and the killer's under Walker is second. Wow, that's interesting. But I think overall I'm going to give this an A, based off all the things that we had tuned to re-complete,

just like not switched or flopped our identity, but we like, we legitimately turn to page, and this is the best, like, record-wise that we've been probably at the end of the season in like fucking 10 years ago, which is crazy. Perpetual. C. For what?

this is the best of we've been you guys are the five seat again temporary expectations this is the Atlanta Hawks yeah this is you had him at three no I did not

yes you did you did you did AI you had my three out of my four Donovan at five I remember listen man this was the year they were finally supposed

to have the perfect roster instruction around Trey Young this was a year they surrounded him with length defense other playmakers spacing you've been telling me for three years

that Trey Young stopped being going to make labs because the spacing was bad they had it this year. They had KP on Yucca can shoot threes. Jalen Johnson is a score. It might be better than Trey Young taking off load off of him.

Kill Alexander Walker, hides him on defense with Dyson. This is supposed to be the perfect Tray Young year, and now he plays for the Wizards and everybody forgets about that. You can't be higher than a C. But you're better. So how can you not be higher than a C?

You're better than what you were with Tray Young, but not better than what you were supposed to be. I gave them a beat. Like, I went higher than C because I felt like if they could be exactly where I expected them to be, preseason, which is like five or six seed, and they could pivot out of Trey Young,

which is a guy that like, I mean, shout out to the Wizards or whatever. If I'm a team that's trying to compete right now, I'm pretty happy to move on from Trey Young. I'm cool with that. I feel like that's like almost A level process, but I docked them. I don't love the Kaminga deal.

I'm very confused as what's happening with them moving Porsingis for Kajak is dockinga. What has Pryzengis done to make you feel that way? Well, I just don't, I don't like Kamenka. Like, I would rather just have for like, you know, I don't know, like eight playoff games.

Well, if they only play two rounds, he's not playing eight games or whatever. But like, it's mostly just like a hesitancy to, like I don't want them to build around Kamenga. I would rather have poor Zing. Like, I would rather have poor Zetas. I would blow up from Atlanta myself if that happened.

Holy shit. Yeah, I'd rather have KP expire and we're done with the experience or whatever than be like, dude, it's Jalen Johnson and it's Kaminga and that's who we're moving forward with. I hate that idea.

You know what's funny? The Kaminga thing, I can like sort of understand it that it's getting some games to get some information about him and see if he's anything before you decide on free agency. It's like decent process for expiring.

But when you think about it, nothing good can come from it. Either he sucks and it's like, oh, that was a waste of time or he's good in March and you convince yourself to pay him based on March Kaminga hoops in Year 5. I think the only good thing

that can come out of it I can't even say this confident now because when it comes to like games played between Prisinius and Camingo they're looking each other at the fucking eyes we got rid of Prisians because he's just simply not there

he has been bad he's just not there but they're 11 in 1 with Kamaga that doesn't mean anything because he's miss fucking over half of these games with him not playing so maybe that's the key listen at 1101 is 11 and 1 I'm out of the path to get there we're there

that's true overall he has been more bad more good I guess than he has been bad he adds rebounding and more athleticism to this team. So it's like, don't care. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

He's coming off the bench in like 15, 17 minutes a game. I mean, shout out to him. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I just didn't fuck with it that much. If they move on from him, it's fine. But like, I really just eventually what's going to happen. I hope so. For your sake, I do.

Washington Wizards. What do we grade them trading for Tray Young and Anthony Davis will also be in the worst team in the NBA by a wide margin playing utterly unsurious basketball making the jazz look extremely competent in comparison a disgrace to hoops gave them out of bio 83 points yuck and that is why i'm going they right now are a stimulus package waiting to happen paul george had 40 points last night against the if you need a get right game i don't care where you are you play the wizard And you will have a career high, you will have a bounce back game. Now be careful because you're going to have your career high, you will get drug tested afterwards.

But the Wizards have just been, we talked about the Jazz being a disgrace. The Wizards truly every single night for like the last, really six months. But the last two months, they've turned it up even more. It's crazy. Luca Donchish had 15 technical fouls. The night before they played the Wizard, he got his 16th on purpose, I think, to miss that game for suspension. Because he said they're so ins serious. my little homie Jake LaRavia got him

and they did get them the wizard yeah as a as a basketball product this season the wizards are terrible and is awful now we graded the whenever Trey got traded and AD got traded

I like both of those moves because they they clearly have a track record of being bad in the draft and they clearly like this whole rebuild they can't do that by themselves so you do need to outsource just a little bit and Trey and AD are better than the guys that they have now. So I'm okay if you're trying to rebuild in like a 30 win environment

as opposed to being the absolute worst team we've seen in the last five years. Yeah. There's nothing I'm okay with less than winning 30 games on purpose. Listen, man. They lose games on average of 12 points. That's insane. Or that's the average score. That's not even the average of the losses.

This is just the average Wizards differential. Yeah. I'm going to give this an A, simply because I like the process of trading for Trey and also getting AD for free. Like you can still get a top three. These are by low. Top two, dude. Come on.

That's what I'm saying. With these two on your team. You have nothing to lose. You gave away C.J. McCollum, who's C.J. McCollum and then Chris Middleton. That's for free. Yeah, I'm taking a guy who was an all-star just last year and AD as well who still could be a productive big.

And also, adding those two guys as well, does not take away from the development of all the other young players on your team. That's a point. I don't know if that's a certainty. Those are veterans that those are all-stars that take a lot of touches. I know your point. Like, Tray Young is a good passer. Ad's got into a point of his career. I'm sure he's a demanding less and less touches. That might be true. Might not be. I don't know. Well, for this year, they don't have, they don't have a point guard. Before this, like, you were rolling with Bub Carreyton hoops running this. Yeah, it was really ugly. I gave him a C because I do respect the process.

I'm fine with them being like, this is our last year tanking. It's a very very, similar situation to the jazz. The jazz just probably got like a better more consistent player in Jared Jackson. But like both of these teams are like, we're done tanking after this year. We're comfortable with the, you know, the young guys that we have on the roster to move forward and try to be in this weird mix of like competitive, but we also have young guys improving. I thought in the first half of the season, Alex Tsar and Kishan George were two young guys who, you know, like, I feel like those are guys that you're comfortable. They're going to be on the team in three years.

They will be around moving forward. And then there's a bunch of other guys that are straight up question marks at this point. But overall, yeah, I don't know. Like they're as bad as I thought they were going to be. And I'm fine with them sending out like, yeah, C.J. McCollum for Trey Young and that kind of stuff. I don't really care. Yeah. Okay.

The speed run a couple teams in the division. Hornets clear A, right? Oh, yeah. obvious. You have an amazing core together now. Lamella ball is in a better role for him not being your lead shot taker. Concanibbles of fucking revelation. Brandon Miller is moving along nicely and you have a maybe franchise center.

Like you have your starting center good for the next several years. They're chilling. Yeah, I agree. Again, like when it comes to talking about historic comebacks, everyone points towards the clippers, but we also do forget, you know, I think the Horn has started off at like 4 and 14 or something. Disgusting like that.

And it took them so long to finally dig themselves out of that hole. And now they're one those teams in the Eastern Conference where people are like, yeah, man, we don't really want to face these guys in the play in or first round because they're going to make us fucking sweat and work. Yeah, Concanip blows literally Clay Thompson mixed with Paul Pierce. Wow. Okay. Yep, yep. He's literally going to be

a top seven player in the world. Okay. I just decided. Okay. I guess. What a comp. I fucked with the Hornets. I gave Monet. I think. Who's going to stop me? You can't say words. Do something about it if you don't like it. Maybe he's white Paul George.

I don't know. I can say whatever I want. No, not long. Too short. Yeah, no. Like, I don't know. Coming into the season, I thought they were going to be hurt and mid. They've been healthy and good.

And either way, if they get, you know, a bad shooting variance game in the play in and they lose, I think if you're a Hornets fan, you're like, oh, no, we end up with the 11th pick instead of some playoff experience. I would rather have the playoff experience for sure. But, like, one more kind of swing at. at a guy at the, you know, 10, 11, 12 range, I think you're okay with that outcome too. Yeah, we've been talking a lot about them. We know what it is.

Great season. The core is finally coming together. Everything feels good and hopeful now. I think next year we should all expect it to be a good team for the entirety of the season. Yeah. Also, listen, they're in the eight spot now. So now they have two chances to get into the plan

because the magic continue to suck. And so the magic are in nine right now. Miami Heat. Reinvent their offense. half norm problem making all-star team Tyler Hero comes in hurt Bamato bios scores 83 he now plays like Palo Bancaro

as this is like perimeter base shooter driver power forward type guy Somewhere in between here B minus C plus I give it a C Like my outlook doesn't change on them At all and it's been pretty much Like the same since the office

I mean they're in the record books Sure I guess I hate it We get called the Heat Hater podcast all the time And I still have no thoughts for you I still have been saying the same thing We said the past two years

they are utterly uninteresting to me. Occupy 0% of my mental NBA fan time share. They're the heat. But shout out of 83 points mad about Bamato Bio. Yeah. Actually, no, no shout out to that. No shout out to that. We erase it.

I don't care about them. I gave them a C. They don't exist in my field of vision. I agree. They're there. And, you know, if they beat the Hornets in the plan, I would be upset because I like watching the Hornets so much more. I agree.

Orlando Magic last team in this division Franz Wagner hurt all year Trafer Dessenbane Probably give up too much But he's been fantastic Anthony Black makes a serious leap thing gets hurt Jalen Suggs

Been in and out the lineup all year One of Carter I think having a solid year For under Carter standards Palvin Carroll had the worst stretch Of any young star in the NBA By a wide margin for about 40 games Then March comes around 40 games

Holy fuck that's not a stretch Yep And the All Star break comes around Is dominant for about four to five weeks A little rough again In the past week I don't know if we got to talk about or not yet.

Overall, up and down from everybody in the roster, where does that hodgepodge of names and outcomes net out? Jamal Moseley needs to be fired. Jamal Mosey needs to be fired tomorrow. Nees be fired six months ago, actually. It's amazing he still has a job. That's not fixing Paolo, though.

I'll tell you what. It maybe buys you some time. Maybe you rehab the value. You see what you can get for him. But yeah, I gave him an F. You're all the way out on Palo? I would say I'm slightly, if I'm doing Palo and Shangoon,

like I think I'm more in on Palo a little bit, but both of them like, I'm just like, like this season, you have all of these inconsistencies in the roster. Franz goes down, all these different injuries we talked about, and you get a very productive year from Desmond Bain. We can talk about how much they gave up to get him,

but in the games that he's played for, Orlando, he's been really good. If you had the kind of player, the magic, expect Paolo to be in combination with that Desmond Bain production, I think this is like a pretty good magic team. I think they're at least okay, even with all of the coaching flaws and everything. But I think he has let them down a lot this season. He hasn't been the guy they've expected him to

be. And even in that five week stretch post-all-star break, it's like a lot of like, he played the Pacers and he had 40. He played the Wizards and he had 40. He had one good game against the cab. Shout out to that game. And the Timberwolves? Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm not saying he's completely cooked, but on this contract, like, it's very scary. Which hasn't started yet, by the way.

I know. Like, is this the guy moving forward? I don't know, dude. Dude, after the first six games of March, so far for the rest of the last month now, he's averaged 23. Okay, cool. Four turnovers the game, five assists,

shooting 42% from the field and 30% from doing 14. I have to stop being nice. to him when he does good. Fuck, man. I fight so much internal urge to not hate because I've been hating on pala for three years. And I want to give him credit when he proves me wrong for several weeks at a time. So maybe he's turning a new leaf. And they come up here and we do our offensive player rankings.

And I say, okay, I'll put him on the top 30. I'll put him at 23 or something like that instead of 40, which is what he would have been. Actually, 70, which is what he would have been in January. I was like, let me give him credit for what he's shown me. He's made comments that I need to change my style of play and he did it. Let me respect him. as soon as I open my mouth to say something nice about him, he comes out and he throws up

like three straight stinkers, it's better for him if I just keep hating him. Maybe, I guess. He was your guy over the last three weeks. Barely. You had a paler guy. Only because he was forced to. See, all I said is something somewhat positive

and I'm a palo guy. That's where the bar is. Yeah. I acknowledge improvements over five weeks. Every time they've played, I think, the Hawks and the Raptors three times in the last week, and every time they play either of those teams, which have very big play in implications. These are teams

he's fighting proceeding with he's been ass. He's been like two of, in torture chamber. Shout out to Scotty. Oh my God, what a season for Scotty Barnes. But yeah, it's been bad for Paolo. And I really don't know, like maybe his approach does change, but I don't know

how much that changes stuff for me. What's like the worst part about this whole experience with Paulo is that like the body don't the body language don't even look good. And I don't even know if he's like, I didn't feel like he's legitimately playing hard at times. offensively. Real Jay.

I heard to Jason. It's, it's sickening actually right now. Oh, God. That's crazy. Disgusting. Yeah, I'm going to, like, they've, you think. Any, yeah. I mean, just like any sense of identity that they had over the last two years is just

gone. And they have no idea. And coming into, even going into last year, you have this, this framework of a team of like, yeah, we have the two big wings that. can both, that can both score, you know, handle the ball a little bit. We're one shooter away, right? We can, we can, the spacing is about to get fixed. And then for everything to just crumble the way that it is, those games that you talked

about, they gave a 130 to the Hawks last night. The game that they played against the Raptors, they gave a 139. The last time that they played the Hawks before last night, they gave up 124. Palo was three for nine last night. Jamal Kane was the leading score on the magic. It was a tough, tough night. All game. Good grief.

All right. One more division left. Let's round this out on the two hour mark. Toronto Raptors. What do we give the most average team in the conference that has had some high moments earlier in the season where they were dominant for a few weeks, some real fucking low lows? Pretty much everybody's been up and down, including Scotty Barnes offensively, who started off great, did the same thing he did to me a couple years ago where he started

the season shooting 39% from three. And I said, oh shit, the Scotty Barnes leap is back. He's amazing. Offense and defensively. A three-point shot died. He still is. I think first team all defense level could be D.P.O.Y level player if Victor Romayama didn't dominate the conversation. True.

But offensively, a little mid. Everything around them has been as up and down an average as you'd expect given the roster. D. They're mid. This might be a little bit reactionary, but last night, bro, they lost of the Sacramento Kings. It's not reactionary. They're five and five in the last 10 games. Mid.

Seven season in the Eastern Conference. First of all, that is reactionary. That's an 80 game season. But the King. Man. Have you seen? Do you know who played ready? It's one of the best scorers. No. I gave me a C-minus. Like I love Scotty. I'm like incredibly high on Scotty Barnes. But the rest of those team, I don't like it. I don't think they have that much direction. And when they were the five-seat, when they were the five-seat, it was a, they were outperforming my expectations a little bit. But if they're back in the play-in, that's right where I expected them to be coming into this year. expensive ass roster. So yeah, C-C-minus. Yeah, I go, I go see. I think they were,

they were better than what I thought. They were, they were going to be coming into the year. But they are mid, in parentheses, derogatory. And so that's, that's kind of like the, the place that you look around. And for a second, after they got Brandon Negro, and it was like, okay, got Scott who got Brandon Niger, maybe this thing could be interesting for a second. It was interesting for a second. That's what I'm saying. The second was the start of season and then now we're here. It's been a minute and everything has changed. Yeah.

I want Scottie Barnes to play Anthony Anthony Edwards so bad one day. Oh my God. That is literally Jordan and Pippin. I saw TikTok earlier that somebody was saying Scottie Barnes is one of the greatest pastors of all time. Wait, what? I know exactly which one you're talking about.

Somebody was like Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Scotty Barnes. Nice. He has to be cooking. The scoring is the problem. His passing is so great. But yeah, he's just got way too much of a scoring load at this point. Which that was what Brandon Ingram's for. But nevertheless, still here we are.

He needs to play next to you like somebody that's willing to shoot 25 times a game. Put him next to Luca. Put him to Donovan Mitchell, right? Yes. Get him to DeMitch, Luca, Anthony Edwards, some of that style. And he will be the best second option in the league. Like, the Raptors should honestly be like the frontrunners for our Donald Mitchell's sweepst like 100%. fuck do you even give them for that?

I don't know. Don't answer that question. Ingram and Barry? A little quickly swap. Oh my God. You said Ingramon Barrett? Angerman Barrett for D. Mitch. Who says no?

Ew. That's terrible. Yeah. Boston Celtics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get an A plus. We've been glazing you for months. You have the best coach in the league,

potentially the best GM in the league. You have basketball savants running everything you do. Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown are once again cooking together. The cast of role players that they've cultivated this year from late draft picks is one of the best. the most remarkable things I've ever seen. I think Joe Mozilla is kind of like easily the best coach in the NBA and the roster building they've done this year is kind of easily the most impressive in the NBA. Janele Brown rising to the occasion, Derek White and Payne

Pritcher providing enough guard play. Everything is perfect and you low key should win the East with no trouble. I came into this offseason feeling like no one ever says this but I thought this is going to be like a legacy year for Joe Mozoula. He already won a championship and all that. But this team has already been to the finals before he was a head coach and they were already like pretty much established. They just had to figure out how to get there and you did that great. But now in a season where everyone's feeling like there should be a gap year, how, like, how really well of a head coach are you when it comes to figuring out all these,

like, not broken pieces and players, but guys who you just really didn't think too much of, how much can you elevate them and, like, really revamped their entire role? I agree. That's also the thing, though. Guys didn't think too much of. We didn't think too much of them. Brad Stevens knew all these 28th overall picks were going to be good 3-and-D role players. the combined brain power of Brad Stevens and Joe Mozilla

is an insane competitive advantage. The way that they have a schematic advantage over every single team in the league besides like the Thunder and maybe the Spurs now, it's remarkable. Like they walk into every game up 3-0 because Joe Mozilla knows the smartest things to do in every faster of the game.

The best team in the league and the gap year. Ooh, we're eating good over here, man. So if you don't win the championship, it's a big failure in Jason. 100%. Like it's just a loser type thing. Oh, yeah. I think the bar now

or the floor, if anything, is a finals appearance. So I am a little bit scared because you do tend to choke when the expectations get a little too high. We're more of an underdog team. We love being underdogs. Yeah, the underdog third greatest net rating of all time. That's when I think of the 24 Celtics. I'm like, how did they pull it off? Jesus.

Why do our best team in the NBA just model for modern basketball? Bro, during that run every round, this is going to be the round they get got. Yeah, because we were hating. Yeah. Yeah, we were hating because they were good, not because they were like underdogs I fully believe in their mind they were underdogs. That's not that matter. I fully believe they can beat the Thunder and they can beat the spurs. Like they have a legitimate chance.

To me, those are the only three teams that have like any chance that win in the finals. I agree. Hell yeah. Yeah, I'd say it sounds about right. And obviously like some of the other Western Conference teams or the Pistons could like anything can happen. The paces were just there so anything can happen. But in terms of like you do a million simulations, those three teams win it like 90% of the time.

I love how you're like going all the way. Literally anything. And the Knicks never even like entered your own perspective. It's like, no, that's not happening, dude. Come on. Yo, can we grade them now, too? They're next. They are next.

Donovan, how do you grade the Knicks season, which they fired Tom Tibido, bring in Mike Brown with the goal of opening up the offense for Carltonetown specifically getting the most of him as a hub, as a score, as a spacer, as a ball handler, whatever that means to you. And he's just Carlton Towns. I think people acknowledge him having a good defensive.

season but offensively he's been far from impressive what do you do with that well see if we're confusing i have no idea what his team is man i like i on a on a nightly basis you have absolutely no clue what is going to happen what kind of hoops you're going to get if car anthony tautil bro we're like seven we're 70 games into the year car on texatowns is still talking about his role fighting against role is crazy 70 games in we're talking about that eight months ago eight months ago and i like, yeah, I'm a little, I'm a little worried. Like, you should probably know what his role is by now. The, the chemistry between Brunson and Kat has just never developed.

And it's not, it's not anything like they don't, they don't play off of each other well enough to where you can fully maximize having two really, really good offensive players on that side of the ball to get you to be like the number one offense by far. The defense has been, has been better and it's been really good. but every six games, you're going to see a clip where Josh Harder, somebody is going to say something along the lines of, we're not together, we're still figuring it out. We have to just, you know, we have to lock in. I like one or two a season saying we have to lock in. If you are saying this every three weeks of, I'm locking, I'm locking, I'm locking.

You just never locked in. You're never locked in. And for, like, they're also in the same realm as the capital. were at the start of the year, it was supposed to be the Knicks and the Cavs 1 and 2 in the Eastern Conference. They were supposed to dominate everything. Obviously, did not see the Pistons ascension.

That's fine. Boston, for Boston to be in this gap year, and that's the one that I'm honestly still, like, I'm, yeah, I'm really frustrated by it. That Boston is in this gap year, and you weren't able to really take advantage of that and be the two C to Detroit. Detroit has dominated us every single matchup,

it's a lot. I'm going to see. You know, fair. And the only thing that has stopped me from criticism has been too much is past playoff performances and the fact that Jalen Brunson is just Teflon in my mind

until he shows me a playoff year where he's not insane and like a clear-cut top eight player in the world. Now, if this confusion carries over to the playoffs and he has a mid-playoff series and they lose, the conversations will quickly get nasty around this aging guard who wants a new contract

and is not of a play style and body type that makes you think he'll be good because he's late there. It's already happening. It's already slowing down. It's already happening a little bit on Twitter with the fans. If it blows up into a national media discourse around Jalen Brunson happening to have his worst playoff performance at like 29 or whatever he is now while wanting a payday, it's just going to get spooky real fast in summer.

When the front office is thinking about that, they're thinking about Kat having basically no impact since he's gotten here. Things will get crazy real fast. Bro, we were having all these conversations with Jha, Trey Young this season. I've been saying the whole time Gillum Brunson you better keep up this offensive production because if you dip even slightly

conversations will start up and they are starting we are actively seeing that right and he might be the worst defender of that bunch he might be a worst defender in the job right but the offense has been so godlike

that like it hasn't mattered you've been above that it's a fine line I mean I guess if he can't do it who can is my with small guards that's what he's the example

I come to where I'm like you know this is like one of the most maxed out offensive guys I've ever seen. He gets better in the playoffs, all this stuff. And so if like, if it doesn't work out for him, like, is the archetype just cooked? I don't know. And you guys have touched on it. It's really been a tale of two seasons for the Knicks where like they were terrible and then they got blown out at home by the Mavs. And since then, they have like a 30-ish game chunk

where they're really good on defense and they're winning a lot. And in the past few weeks, that style of play has also started to slip in the back half of the season brunson is like 24 points per game 56% true shooting and i hate to boil down a guy like that to just one number because he is so good like dominant offensively and he has supplemented it a lot with playmaking but if he is going to be that level of score i think that will be like a huge problem for the nix yeah he can't be a k level score like league average true shooting when he doesn't have the passing of k the size of k the defensive Cade, the rebounding of Cade. The margins are not there.

Oh, my God. Besides the scoring, yeah. Okay. He's got no freaking help, dude. Come on. I know. Space is terrible. Jaylon Jones a bum.

He's creating all the dunks for him, dude. Come on. Shut out to Durham. Okay, so yeah, we'll see what happens to next. Last two teams, Brooklyn Nets, five first-owned picks in last year's draft, exactly one of them that looks good in any way. And Yeager Demon, the one drafted the highest,

looks to be a good role player. Outside of that, four guys who won't sniff an all-rooky team. Where does that leave us? Oh, man. D-plus? You know we're going to. Okay.

You know we're going to. Not selling high. Not selling high on MPJ is a little tough. No, I mean, shout out to Wolf. Shout out to Ben Saroff. Shout out to the whole gang. But, like, yeah, I'm just not compelled by this team at all. I don't think they're very good.

And I think to use five first rounders, in that way and come out on the other end of the season with like one guy who you're like, okay, he could, you know, help us out when we find the guy or whatever. Yeah, it's very underwhelming, I would say. I don't know much to say about them, man. Like, the Advaid's a team.

The only thing I was saying is Nolan Troy, like, he can play. I guess he's fast. Yeah, that's fair. I think he has a future in this league. Maybe. You came over like maybe 1.7, 1.5 good players. I'm not even certain about that though.

Like, he's really quick. And like that's a skill. It's better than what some of the other guys have. Yeah. For him, the story's always going to be like, what's the shooting look like? He's real skinny.

Let's see how that builds up. Yeah. Hey, Sunday, April 5th, Washington versus Brooklyn. Brooklyn is one loss away. Let's all bet on that game. Let's put on parley's. It's the ultimate tank fest game.

The winner of that game is probably going to get that, well, they're all in the top four. But for the worst record, we all need to pick different players to bet they're over to see what happens someone from to break into my car

and leave tickets to watch the game me I got Trey Johnson over yeah I always hate like I'll be looking at Tankathon and I will get caught up and like who's gonna have

the worst record and then I look to the right and it's like worst for all it doesn't matter at all because all the odds are the same but I'm like damn it's just the title of having it I guess matters so much

put me in for Julian Reese he's going to get 11 rebounds. Chill, chill, Julian Reese, double, double machine. Last team of this episode before we get to producer corner, 76ers. Tyre's Maxie, Leap, I think, kind of widely recognized

the top 15 player in the league. Joel and B played about half the games. Paul George got dinged for being on that shit, but has come back really good. He's looking pretty good for a role player version of Paul George's career. It's paid too much, but it's proven to have some value still.

I think Quinn Grimes having a solid year. VJ looking great. You did ship off. Jeremy came for nothing. Yikes. That's a sting. Apparently you sold high. Overall, though, I think if I told you that we'd be at this point where they'd be a

playoff team, Joel and Bude would play as many games as he misses. Pretty solid outcome, all things considered. Yeah. I think I want to give this a B, but like. I can't go that high. I'm going to go C for them. I don't know. Well, what is expectations for them?

That's important for this. Relative to expectation. It's not an A season relative to like league standards and possibilities of every team. but with Joel Embed and Paul George who we thought would be the two worst contracts in the league we thought maybe Joel and B would never have a period for the rest of his career which he's a premier player but every time he steps

on the court now he drops 30 he still has it in him more than I think we expected that's that's positive I guess the maxi yeah the maxi section knowing that you have VJ and you feel very good about your back court moving forward okay yeah B and not not in the playing right now yeah I think you could say A

honestly all things considered with how many downsides there were to this season and all these crazy parts moving around, there's a weird world in which this was a fucking disaster. Yeah. I mean, coming into this season, I was like just kind of assuming worst case scenario because that's what it always feels like with the sensors. It's like in B-15 games, Paul George. I mean, really, the suspension for Paul George is like right online with what I expected

in terms of like shit going bad for them. I didn't know it was going to be PED stuff. But yeah, I would go B, solid B-plus, just because Maxie's been crazy. VJ is very clearly, like, I would say ahead of schedule as an offensive player, and that's been pretty important to them being a non-playing team. For them to be where they were at the start of the season and be the sixth seed right now, that's like a good success for them. Yeah, I probably net out to like a B-minus only because, you know, in the offseason,

Quentin Grombs is going to have his way with Darry, bro. He can name whatever number, and he has to pay him because, bro, you told me. Last year, you ain't won me, but now this year, yeah. Put a pull down more his hair. You know, he's going to slide him out, breath. It's like, it doesn't matter. You want 20? Sir, you got it, bro.

Play this out. It's also. Oh, bad. But it's like that now. It's like, it's going to, bro. Guys are talking about pulling him. They need him. I know.

That was crazy. That was graphic. This is a children's program, dude. Seriously? It's a family. Not a kid. It's a family program. Oh, God.

Yeah. Oh, you're done. Okay. I'm going to give them an A just because they avoid a disaster, like you said. They rarely get to say that. It's always disaster for the six years. So a nice, slightly positive outcome is Nirvana for them. Now, with that being said, that is one grade for every single NBA team season.

Jack is not going to stay with us for TikTok time. Got to get him out of here. Busy schedule today. But before we do that, Beesles, what do we have for producer corner? What are we talking about today? I'm doing a reading test, y'all. Oh, shit. I'm reading test.

I'm reading a page out of three books. Yep. I picked out three books for him. Chil. And we'll see how I do. Obviously, this is, yeah, obviously it's a buildup. You posted a clip yesterday where you could not read. It was okay.

Right now, right now, so you have three pages that you have to read out of these books. On a scale one to ten, how confident are you that you're going to be able to read proficiently on this stage? So when we define proficiently, like, I can't stutter at all. Like, I can't make any mistakes. You can do what you want, but we have Jack here who's an avid reader, and he will be judging you harshly and giving you a score of one to one hundred. I'm really mean. I was going to ask, when you were like a kid in popcorn reading, were you like, please

don't fucking call me. It's a heartbeat. No, no, no. I was good in school. I just think I've fallen off a cliff. I guess we'll find out. Yeah. Okay.

So for the books, he's going to read one page out of each book. We will give him a score. A random page. Open it up wherever you want and pick the first one you come to. First book is a comic book. Make it nice and easy for him. We have The Killing joke

for him to read, a comic book. Second book is one that is informational pack. Probably some words he's not familiar with, but not terribly difficult prose. The new Jim Crow. Oh my God. That's an insane level two. Michelle Alexander.

That's so funny. Last but at least we have a difficult book with some difficult words for measles. Dune by Frank Dune. So you're going to open a random page of each one and pull whatever you want.

Bro. I'm crying. Listen, man. I could get through the first 10 minutes of a movie. Don't let another man come into your house.

Take your own. This is a legacy game, man. It's a legacy moment. I'm feeling it right now. All right, here we go. Killing joke. Open wherever you want.

Here we go. Here we go. All right. This is the comic book. Let's do it. Show the camera of the page. What am I? What?

Watching. Oh, what am I looking at? I can't show this. No, I got to flip to a different page. It is a pretty graphic book at times. I was going to say what I'm thinking of a pretty Okay, okay, okay, okay. All right, here we go. This is more PG. Okay, Batman dialogue. Yes. Oh my God. What did I just see? And depending on the character speaking, I'd like you to change the inclination of your speaking voice. You do the voice. I'm going to do it too much. All right. Incidentally. I spoke to Commissioner Gordon before I came in here. He's fine. Despite all your sick, vicious little games, he's as sane as he ever was. So maybe ordinary people don't always crack.

Gak! Wait, what's gag? Is that like a punch attack? It's an anatomotia. It's a spit, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Good way.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe there isn't any need to crawl under a rock with all the other slimy things when trouble hits. Maybe it was just you. all the time. No. Ling?

What the fuck? What is? Oh, okay. Don't. Ah. Ha. Hut.

Noom. This is like a fight scene? That's good. It's a fight scene. That's good. Let's go. 10 out of 10. You started a couple times.

I'll give you an 8 out of 10 for getting through the killing joke. Listen, man. I'll give you nine because I feel like, hey, I'd be reading, but I never read out loud. I feel like that's what I'm saying. I can read in silence. Out loud's different. Out loud's different.

The new Jim Crow. Here we go. The new Jim Crow. Open it up to the middle. I'm crying, man. What page number is it? 151. That's a tough one.

151. This is, ooh, okay. Ben O. Schmidt has observed from the end of the reconstruction through the New Deal. The systematic exclusion of black men from Southern juries was about about as plain as any legal discrimination could be short of proclamation in state statues or confession by state officials. The Supreme Court repeatedly upheld convictions of black defendants by all white juries in situations where exclusion of black jurors was obvious. I'm in a flow state right now, y'all. He's killing, dude.

He's going. The only case in which the court overturned a conviction on the grounds of discrimination in jury selection was Neil v. Delaware, a case decided in 1935. State law in Delaware once had explicitly, oh, I'm getting cooked. State law and Delaware once had explicitly restricted jury service to white men, and no colored citizen had ever been summoned as a juror. The Delaware Supreme Court had rejected Neal's equal protection claim on the grounds that the great body of black men residing in the state are utterly unqualified for jury service by want of intelligence, experience, or moral integrity.

The Supreme Court reversed. Clearly what offended the U.S. Supreme Court was not the exclusion of blacks from jury service per se, but rather doing so openly and explicitly. The orientation continues to hold today. Wow. That was just great. Dude. Dude. Real shit.

Do not let them talk down to you. That was really good. You killed it. That was good. I don't think I comprehended what I was reading. I was just. Flow state, bro. Flow state word for words.

word what's the next one performing yeah I was performing that was like an out of body experience that's amazing right only started twice it was what was it revered I don't know and none of us remember because he was just he was cooking like this

killed 10 out of 10 here we go dude dude that's so fucking funny I've never read dude this is tough because it's like made up words and shit like I feel like there's stuff in there it's like not real And it's very, very flowery language.

What the fuck is a second word? All right. Okay, okay, here we go. Page 445. A cussarant response arose from the crowd. She has seen the waters. I consecrate the daughter of Liet in the Sayadena, Huss, the old woman.

She is accepted. The crowd responded. Paul barely heard the ceremony. His attention still centered on what had been said of his mother. if she should fail. He turned and looked back at the one they called Reverend Mother, studying the dried crone features, the fathomless blue fixation of her eyes.

She looked as though a breeze would blow her away, yet there was that about her, which suggested she might stand untouched in the path of a Coriolis storm. What the fuck is that? What is that? You're going. Don't let it trip you up. All right. She carried the same aura of power that he remembered from the Reverend Mother

Guyas Helen Mohayim, who attested him with agony in the way of the gom jabar? What? You put his hand in a box and it hurt. All right. I, the Reverend mother, Romalo, whose voice speaks as a multitude, says this to you. The old woman said, it is fitting that Chani entered the Saedina. It is fitting. The crowd responded.

That's about halfway through. Okay. That was good. I was good. Yeah. Made up words? Yeah. what I'm saying. You went, you were really good.

Listen, man. Big guy. Yeah. I think you can finally put this joke to rest. At least I will. Yeah, I will to. You have passed. Let's go. I can read. I can read. Maybe reading it is for me.

Honestly, you did the best on the new gym crowd. Yeah, no, I know. Maybe you should take it home, read it all, report your findings next week, and tell the people everything you know about the incarceration of American citizens. Woke B-s-s-Soul! Let's go! Let's go! Woke-Sow!

woke souls never the stupid one for the stupid one educated educated I have like a whole college degree it's not like I'm not educated at all I know all about the plight in black Americans

I've been new all right what do I do with these books all right what happens next what happens next I guess you read them I don't know

all right let's calm down let's calm down is that the only stuff we had today for producer corny All right. I do have a question for y'all. I want everyone on this podcast to be vulnerable. Okay? No, it's not, it's not crazy.

It's not crazy. Or it might be. I just want to know everyone's guilty, pleasure, music artist. That's all. I don't have the artist. It used to be Post Malone, but now he's gone to country. I can't do it anymore. But when he stopped doing hip-hop stuff and got poppy, it was Post Malone.

But now he's on this like, I'm actually from middle America. I can't do it. Oh, I know that. Wow. Do you guys remember the movie that came out where it was a music biopic where the guy was a monkey? Does anyone remember this? Robbie Williams. Robbie Williams' monkey biopic.

In that movie, they did a cover of his song, Rock DJ, that was my number one song on Spotify for two months. Very recently, I listen to it and I work out a lot. So it's not an artist because I don't listen to Robbie Williams at all, but that one song from the movie. I listen to all the time. That's on the playlist? Yeah. Well, no, I look it up specifically. I'm like, bro, we got a fucking lock in right now.

I need rock DJ on. So Robbie Williams songs as sung by a monkey. Yes. Okay. Mo? Guilty pleasure. Yeah, what's the song that like, you know, when you get ox in the car, you have a playlist. Once everyone gets out the car, you're going to play this song because you know, you know the friends ain't rock a movie.

Yeah, you know we'd laugh at you so you wouldn't play it in the past music. But you love this song. though like you love it okay I don't have it on my playlist but whenever I hear it I try to stick around for as long as possible so I can hear everything because sometimes I don't have this enough shame in my body to like really

like put this on my phone or go on YouTube real quick and want to delete the history I don't want to do all that no sexy red sometimes yeah sometimes sometimes I'm like which one's your favorite song I don't know the name of it but it's a most popular one

it was like hair done Yeah, I don't know the name of the song Get it sexy, that's that one. Well, you know this ass, super far. I lie. Yeah, and it's just like, when I'm buffing my head, I'm like, what I'm supposed to do? I don't know what I'm doing my leg in my, because I'm not going to shake my, no.

I can't, I can't. Supposed to get out of your hands. Put your legs up on the wall. Show me. Sounds like you, sounds like you're experienced. He's the one that knows the song. No, no, no, man. Those are your description.

But songs like that, I'm like, man, like, man, like, it's talking about all. all these things that I can't do, but it makes you want to like, you can't do it. It's 2026, bro. Come on. You can do it. No, no, no, for sure. For sure, you can. I don't know how to.

I literally can. I don't know how to, man. But I guess that might be it. I don't have one. I'm not ashamed of the music that I listen to. I don't have an option like that. Sounds like you know what his answer might be. I know.

But that's performative. Okay, what is the song that you think others would associate with the guilty pleasure, but you have no shame in it? Or artist, if that makes easy. I don't know. I guess in... Wait, did you say you like logic? That might count. I've been listening to Logic in years.

Counts. I've been listen to Logic Free. I'll say there's a song off of, for all the dogs that I go back to... That's a Drake. That doesn't count. I mean... Is it the Miami song? I can't stay.

Oh, no, Daddy. No. No. It's a guilty of that's crazy. You got to get more music going. I feel like there's got to be something. No. Do you like Taylor Swift?

Do you like Taylor Swift? Yes, but I'm not ashamed of it. She has some, she has some songs. Okay, that's a better answer then. Yeah. Like everyone that somebody else might be ashamed of. So we're in the car. You play Taylor Swift.

I haven't listened to Taylor Swift in a long time. But like, there was a time where like Taylor Swift songs were consistently in my rotation and I didn't like feel bad about it. I refuse it to feel a shame. That's that's healthy. He's confident. Mine's um, mindless behavior. That's the reason

why I thought of this prompt man. My girl, my girl, she loves me. She hit me all the time. She texted me and I say hey, come on man. You know they say hello? Look at me.

I should do the whole song. That's really cool. I know. I got a clue how she feel for me. One, four, three. Smiley Whittling. Come on. You got the cards.

It's in your bag. Yeah. This isn't count. 140 characters is more than enough. Come on, bro. Oh, shit. That's my shit. This one doesn't count because I was literally 10 years old.

When I was in the fifth grade, I loved that Jaden Smith and Justin Bieber song from the Karate Kid movie. Never Say Never. That was my shit in fifth grade. Never say never. why be in the mirror too what'd you say

why'd be in the mirror oofy yeah guilty pressure yeah that's it yeah rubbing off the pain he had a moment he did that it was a time there was a time it was a time it was a time it was a time

I've been saying that I've always said that yeah when it came out I was like this is a time you guys know what that means but yeah and people will forget

yeah yeah I think that's now that being said that is the end of producer corner it's time for us to go all the time TikTok time. Appreciate you coming through, Jack, sitting down

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Feed him for crayons. Welcome to TikTok time. Today, as usual, we are going to begin with a draft me Donovan Moe all drafting teams Beesoles deciding the winner at the end today the category is

we have to draft NBA players from the team we get on the wheel like usual zero all-star seasons being allowed so you can pick a player that made an all-star before but you got to pick a non-all-star season

so pick a specific season of a player on this team that was not an all-star okay so example is if you get the wizards you may pick old Michael Jordan or I could be sneaky and if I get the Hawks,

I could pick of the year where Trey Young wasn't in all-star Yeah, sure, go for it, I suppose. Do it. So first team up, Moe first pick. Where are we starting off? Please give me some Devin Booker,

Damia Liller team, some year. Boston Celtics. No All-Star seasons. Boston Celtics, no All-Star seasons. That's not hard at all. I don't think it's very hard. Okay. We'll see.

I think, yo, to go ahead and give me like... And I'll confirm any season. Yeah. I could go ahead and go the easier out. I think maybe like year three, Dylan Brown did make the All-Star team. Year 2, Tatum was really damn good.

But to play it mad safe, give me Derek White. Okay, this year's Derek White? Yeah. Okay. At point? Yeah, Derek White at point. I'm good no matter what.

Okay, a player that will fit with the rest of your team regardless. Donovan. Oh, no, we're all doing the Celtics. That's right. Yeah. Or I can take the phone. No, no, all Celtics. I don't know why I press it.

So where are we going? I think I'm also start out with point guard. Give me, give me Rondo. There's a version of Rondo that didn't make an all-south team. I remember there being like one season where all four were made the All-South team, but I'm not sure if Rondo made all of them. So whichever year, Rondo didn't make the outside team.

Just pick a year and I'll confirm. I would take Rondo. Just go to his basketball reference. I know, but what would pick the year? 2011, Raja. 2011 Rajan Rondo. He made it that year. He did it.

All four of them made it. Yeah. You could have it in 2009 is when he wasn't an All-Star. Perfect. 2009 Rondo at Donovan's point guard. Okay. My goat. Yeah, give me year two Tatum at Smallford.

I'll pick pre-I'll pick role player Tatum. You make sure. Yeah, he definitely wasn't awesome. I promise. He averaged like 18 or 17.9 points. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Roll player, Tateum. Okay. Not bad. All right. Next spin.

Which team are we going with next? Brooklyn Nets Ooh You can go a lot of ways with this You Okay what do we want to do With players I got injured They weren't all stars

If we know they're like Who are you thinking about Carrey Irving that first year I don't think it was an all star was he Allow it Should we not allow that Should we just be like obvious Like not big

I think we should probably be obvious Okay So if they got injured Then I make it all star Don't pick them Yeah because they're clearly like Allstar They're clearly an all star

Yeah okay Yeah if we know it's for a fact Because of injury We won't pick them Yeah Because there's a difference. Was James Hardin also in 2021? They all were, right?

I believe Hardin was. Yeah, I think they were all All-Stars in 2021. So there's no cheap way to go there. Because I was thinking like 2019 with Kyrie when he like missed time. They make sure because if there's a year where Kyrie makes sense, I want Kyrie. But I think that's what I'm saying. Let's just allow it like. Yeah, like James Hardin was an All-Star.

Like, yeah, you can have that version of Kyrie, but that version of Kyrie is going to have a bad knee. It's going to be doing. I don't want to play. Like, I'm trying to think of an example where someone got hurt. Like, there's Anthony Davis year with the Lakers where he didn't make it, but he was one of the best players in the world. That's a little cheeky. Yeah.

Carrey Irving in 2022 played 29 games. Average 27 points per game. Twice. That's kind of cheating. Yeah, I think. I think so. Did he make all NBA team by you? He did not.

Well. All right, give me 2022, Kyrie, if you co-sign it. You probably have one in mind soon. He probably has one in mind as well. He probably has one in mind as well. He wants you to get. He does. crazy it's fine like no like i you just don't have it okay they want one who do you got um at my

i think i might go big here for my center actually no for my power forward i take brook because brook had seasons before the all-star where he was still averaging like 1920 low-post demon i don't know actually let me let me see if my guy made it i don't think he did i can confirm for you I'm not going to give you the I can give you the opportunity Well I already picked It's okay You know if there's a version

He's kind of washed up But it's okay There's a version of Joe Johnson Okay His first year in Britain He's scoring 16 points a game Give me Joe Johnson have my two Okay

Okay That's not bad Rondo or Joe Johnson I'm happy Old School Hoops To round this out for me Give me MPJ for this year?

Yeah, so Okay. Three or four doesn't matter. Yeah, straight 2026 players. Okay. I should, instead of Tatum,

I should have picked 2024, Christos Porzingis. That would have been tough. That would be tough. Him or draw it out of him. I was thinking about them,

but I was like, I didn't get Tateam and get a wing there. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I don't know.

I don't think that. Did it? No. I don't think so. Team number three, New Orleans Pelicans. Fuck. Not All-Stars.

This is nasty as hard. You could have Zion right now. I could have Zon right now and call it. That'll be fair. Take him. But it's mad hard to, like, build a team around him. But so far I got the perfect team for him, really. So yeah, go ahead and get me Zon right now.

Okay. Zion right now. Current day, Zion. Fair. I got all the space in the world. I got defense right behind him or I guess in front of him. That one year he average 27. Did he make it?

Yes. Yes. 100% he did. Let's see. Got Rondo, got Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson, great score. very iso. I need some shooting.

There's not a good shooters. There's not a lot of good shooters in this team's history. I know. But I need somebody who has a little bit of range. Give me, give me Trey Murphy. Okay, from this year? Yeah.

You should really say last year, Trey Murphy. Either one. Yeah. Is there a version of Drew Holiday I can have? Yeah. He never made an All-Star team here. Oh, he didn't?

No, fuck no. Okay. So give me all defense, 2019 Drew Holiday at the shooting guard. Okay. not bad 21 points for game all defense second team

not bad kind of wish I had them on my team now but I got sorry yeah Derek White and Drew Holiday would have been disgusting

filthy yeah if only that could happen in real life if only maybe maybe they've been a championship like by far

the best team in the league I can have dreams of our team number four I'm just making a Celtics team by the way Orlando Magic ooh

Orlando Magic oh Orlando Magic we don't want to go with this I need a four and a five Palo this year I could pick Franz Franz ever made an all-star team

Franz is one of better non-all-stars Fuck no he hasn't I could have this so Tatum just has no ball handling responsibilities Is a year two player he plays power forward Then have no centers Because Dwight was always an all-star When he was good

Unless should I go rookie Dwight Howard I don't think he was an all-stars A rookie was he still bouncy He was not an all-stars-a-rored I'm gonna go year two Dwight Howard. I bet he was still a great role player to have. Okay.

I see, I see, okay. Yeah, 2006 Dwight. Okay. You average 16 points, 12 rebounds. Jeez. Hey, why wasn't he an All-Star? They must have been a bad team. Yeah.

All right, who am I going to pick? Fallow back care. Welcome home. Who is going to be on this? Franz is right there, man. Wendell Carter Jr. Never made an All-Star. Mm.

Yeah, I think I got. Nika. Nikovusovich here. True, true, true. He was an all-star, a singular year. They're saying really good names here. Giving you the keys. What are you going to do with them?

Jonathan Isaac had some moments. I genuinely appreciate that. John Isaac, Rondo's face. Boy, did he have money? Hell of a locker room. They'd fight every day. All right, I got to take a four. Yeah.

You know what, Paolo? From this year? That's her guy. No, no. No, no, you already said a name. No, no, not from this year, not from this year. Not from this year. Rookie year?

No matter. Rookie had more promise. Oh, fine. It's like team Gohan. What could have been? So much one, rookie or this year? Take rookie palo. Oh my God, Ricky Palo Van Carrel.

Joe and Tazzole of Tray Murphy and rookie Palo Ben Carol. What is your team on, man? Yo, Rondo would fucking hate this team. Okay, so to round out this round, I think I'm going to go Desmond Bain at my two. From this year, that's smart. Yeah. Yes, you have a good role player team. Got a lot of gunners.

Doesn't Bank and do some crazy. If you get a star center, you're cooking. Yeah. Unfortunately, Shaq was also your one, wasn't he? Yes. Yeah, no, Shaq Love. Yeah, no. All right, last team.

Where are we going? Brooklyn Nets again. We got to read this. We can. We can't do. Re-spin. Real funny, dude again. That would be ridiculous. Actually, we do re-spins on the football show.

Why don't we do respins on the show? We didn't do football. We're saying a respite. No, I mean, my bad. We do double teams where we need to. Oh. That was the whole thing. I think we...

Okay, okay. We'll do a new team. We won't allow a duplicate. I think we should. I want to get KD. Charlotte Hornets. You know what? I might as well have done the real duplicate right now.

Fuck. Charlotte Hornet is where we're going. Non-all-star seasons. Non-all-star season. It's unfortunate. and none of us need a concanipple right now. We all need bigs. Fuck.

We all need a Charlotte big. Yeah. So the only good ones right now are Dwight Howard. You already have a Dwight Howard. Can I take Dwight Howard again? If you want the horn is Dwight Howard, I don't care at all. It was big. Do I want to pick Musa Diabate?

Because he actually wouldn't be a bad fit here as well. Pick Diabate. There you go. Pick Musa. Fuck. I guess, yeah, give me. I don't want to pick Larry Johnson because why to, I don't want to, I don't want to two Zion Williams is on my team.

Yeah. Give me Bousa Diabate. Yikes. Diabate, your center. You have straight role player team around Zion. Yeah, Zon and his peak potential with this team. Oh, man. Could be something.

Perfect. I will take Ricky Alonzo morning at my center. Average 21 a game. Okay. Then I will pick 1996. Larry Johnson at Power Ford. Straight muscle at my 4-5. Oh, my goodness.

Straight muscle. Dude, that was Larry. guys drew at the two. Two of my team is huge. Jason Tatum at the three is the fourth smallest player and fourth biggest player. Kareen's insulation. Musa Diabate.

What are you prepared to do? Alonzo Morning and Dwight Howard. Fuck. God damn. So I have Kyrie Irving, Drew Holiday, Jason Tatum, Larry Johnson, and Dwight Howard. I have Rondo, Joe Johnson, Trey Murphy, Palo, and Alonzo Morning.

I got Derek White, Desmond Bain, M. PJ. I'm PJ. Zon. Oh, my team. Oh, my God. And Diabate. Fuck, man. This is toxic locker room.

What is year two, Tatum doing for me, man? 15 point per game, Tatum. Nothing. You create a little bit. Straight play. He was a role player that year, and he low-key sucked. I was there. He was a bad role player?

Yeah. Yeah. Fifth option, though. That's where role players are. There you go. It was a real-key-old. He wasn't an elite defender yet. He was a good defender.

You know what? Was that the year he dunked on Brono or was that his rookie year? That was his rookie year, 2018? Ah, okay. All right, I get to decide the winner here. You do. He picked my goat. I like I saw Joe.

Let me get Donovan, man. Yeah. Who's your goat? Rondo. Oh, wow. I thought I was a goat. Nah, no. Top two favorite ever, Rondo and Kobe.

Tate him is three. Wow. Rondo's, okay. I didn't know that. Old Joe Johnson, Trey Murphy, and Pollo was a hysterical team. but he does have your goat he does have your goat though so I get it

yeah trade Murphy Palo Bigger favoriteism bro what are we doing your dad Larry Jopts is putting them in the fucking room oh my gosh he did it

Dwight versus Alonzo morning both young banging out chest to chest listen man Musa Diabate just peeking in that corner the next thing we are going to do

I'm going to show you an NBA player's shot chart a heat map of where they took their last 750 shots from and you went to try to name the player to me. This might be incredibly hard and y'all might be completely lost. I really have no idea. Or maybe you guys will get them all as easy. You tell me, first player, who are you looking at?

The mark a person. All right. This clearly is a guy who does not fuck with threes. And not getting to the paint as much either. Like the restricted area, you're not getting a lot of dunks, not getting a lot of layups, A lot of floaters.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the whole paint area, the whole like mid-range, Frito line area is very occupied. Very occupied. That right baseline, I see that and I think Shea. But obviously, but obviously, Shay's game is much more,

much more diverse than this. Yeah, he begins to the room too. Who pretty much strictly only takes mid-range shots? Okay, so I can, I know this for sure. This is not a center of any sort at all. No rim shots at all. Look at that. There's nothing under the room.

rim. Yeah, that's ridiculous. That left wing three is a hint. Is that KD? No, KBKD. He likes that. He said the left wing three is a hint. Yeah, yeah. A player who takes a bunch of mid-ranges, but loves that left-wing three. See, I'm thinking that this is

going to be like... It's a LeBron? Like a smaller guard. You know what's funny? What is it? B. He-Soul said the name right away thinking he was joking. It is DeMarder Rosen. Wow. I don't even see him take left-wing three. Zero rim attempts.

just straight mid-range buckets. I'm all around the mid-range. That's too easy. From the high-posal area, giving elbows. Okay. I overthought it. That was too easy. Yep.

Next player. Who were you looking at? Only top of the key threes and baseline. This is a big. This is a stretch big. I would assume. Because you're just getting pick and pops. I don't know if it's only a big.

My estimation might be, if it is a big, like who, which, one's doing this. Miles Turner? Yeah, that's a good pick. Probably. Bad one dimensional.

Yeah. Turner, K.P. Be Turner, B. KP. It can't be something like Kat because... I'll give you a hint. This is a retired player. Oh, fuck. Okay, that was a loose.

Yeah, it's a retired player. It's the last 750 shots of their career. Ryan Anderson. Nope. You're not far off, though. In terms of how they were playing at the end of their career. Who did you say? Ryan Anderson.

In terms of how they were playing? Not far off. Jay, J.J. Reddick. Nope. No. No rim shots. Donovan had a good guess. It's got to be a big trailing threes.

You're along the right lines. Big trailing threes. Retired stretch big. Look at these jump shots. They're all just standing there at the top of the arch shooting threes. Not doing anything. Not moving at all.

Brooke Lopez is still playing. Wow. Who was playing like that? Al Orford's still playing. Yeah, I'll ever still playing. Am I going to hate myself for this? I don't know if I hate yourself, but you'll say, oh.

Who are these? They got a little bit of their game is like in the corner on the baseline. Retired big. Retired bigs. And I was, there's zero shots of the rim there. Look how fucking crazy it is. So we're talking about a soft retired big. Dirk?

This is Dirk. Oh, wow. He lost 750 shots of his career. Okay. That's Dirk. He was a statue. He was just standing around shooting. Yo, Luca was setting his ass up.

He didn't have to do nothing. Nothing at all. Okay. Makes sense. Next player, who is this? Oh my God. All you do is get to that rim. Lots of rim shots.

Then some very sporadic three point attempt. Some very specific areas that screams like not versatile to me, that you know your spots. This might be Zion. If not Zion. So we're thinking big. They've taken a couple middies, but it's a decent amount of middies. Yeah. But it's more like, I don't know.

Obviously it's not like a key key part of your game. Yeah. But that free throw line jumper, that's a decent amount. This is not Brunson because he pulls it from anywhere from three. No, it's not Burton at all. Brunson is not shoot the rim that much. Yeah. And B, it operates in the midrange much more.

Yeah. Heavy mid range, but a free throw line jumper counter and some specific spots from three. Is this BAM? Hell no. If BAM shot that much of the rim, I would like him so much more. True, true, true. I'm begging BAM to shoot this way.

Is this guy super athletic? Yes. Super athletic. See, I was going to say, Julie Strand, whatever mind. Okay. Keep mind that rim, that's almost all his shots is the rim still. Yeah.

But with a few specific counters. I'm using my words real careful. Is this Jalen Johnson? No. All you see is Jalen Johnson everywhere you look. Sorry, man. He's always top of mind. I'll say this was pretty easy, I think.

I'm thinking of like a reform big for some reason. Like Andre Drummond or something. Current player. This is very easy. Wemby? No. All his shots at the rim has a free throw line jumper and shoot specific threes.

SGA? No. What? I'm tripping. This is Janice. Yeah. Again, I led you to water. Does he even shoot enough threes for that to be a hot spot?

I didn't think he did. Yeah. Yeah. That's a true. That's interesting. That's surprising. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, but again, there's not a versatile three-point shot selection. He picks a spot. Does a little pound dribble. Yeah. He's in the same spot every time. He has to make sure he set up every time. Got a little shuffle? Yeah.

Mm. Who is this player? Wow. Oh wow. So only no top of the break threes at all. No, we're getting corner threes and dunks. This is the most efficient player in the NBA. That's exactly what you want to see.

The modern role player, huh? Oh my gosh. This is not con canipal because he has some mid-range. No, his is like every single spot. It's a big. I'm a sort of. Isn't it? Oh, I was going to say, could this be hardened?

No, hell no. All hard it does is the top of the top of the arc threes. Corner threes would never be hardens. Hot spots. Okay, so you said this is a big. But he said it was a wing. This player is 6 foot 8. Friend of the show potentially.

Brown. Incorrect. I wish. Almost. Almost. Kind of similar. Friend of the show. Squint your eyes a little bit.

Kind of similar. Friend of the show. Palo? Hell no. What? Friend of the show. Pala is much more in the mid-range. Braun is a close guess.

Again, squint your eyes. Imagine the same jersey. And you can kind of see. this guy. Same jerse. Squint your eyes. This is Isaac Bonga. For the love of God.

Please, I hope this is the last episode. We ran this into the ground. That I see Isaac Bunga on my screen. I'll never let you forget. I've never been reminded about Isaac Banga in the last five years of my life until now. Put it down. Who is his player? You do everything.

Shoot from literally everywhere on the court. No spot goes untouched. But obviously the three-point shot is the key. key. They're not getting to the rim even then. This is just attempts, right? Yes, just attempts. I feel like this is Donovan Missal.

No, I feel like he would be much higher at the room. Yeah, he's also not so sporadic in the midrange. Luca? No, not Luca. No. This is a retired player. Oh, fuck. The last 750 shots of their career.

Retired player. Touched literally every spot of the court left no portion of the court unturned. Kobe. This is Kobe. This is Kobe's end of his career. Wasn't getting to the rim, but shot jumpers from everywhere. Okay.

Do what you do, Kobe? Chuck. There's never not a good spot. This is 750 shots all from the last game of his career. Wow. Who is his player? I swear we just seen this. Oh, he is very wonderful.

Once again, a big sporadic three-point shot. we're taking corner threes Is this a beat? No That's a good guess though This is not a big per se Not a big per se

Okay So we're talking about maybe Maybe a guard Like a downhill guard That can't shoot A combination of both things You just said It's a little

Can't be lamellow You said Lehmelo I thought you had it This is LeBron James Ah okay okay I can see the little fuck you threes Exactly Look at the right side

Look at that left block on the left wing straight. Yep, yeah. Fade away jumpers in the left side. Mad light yellow. Yep. Not in them hose. Who is this player?

Oh, fuck. Sam Meryl. Sam How's it? It's no Sam to be seen. Only three. I don't want to do shit else. It's like he'll be coached. Don't be punished if you do anything else.

Not Duncan Robinson. Derek White. Nope. Malik Beasley from last year. Colin Gillespie. No shots at the rim. That's crazy. They don't let him do anything but spot up.

Miles Tender. Hell not. Reed Shepard. Nope. Vooch. Nope. They don't let him do anything that spot up. Nope.

They do not let him do anything but spot up. Hmm. Nothing but spot up. And it's a lot of threes. Potentially teams want him taking him. You say Duncan Robinson? Yeah. Rashad McCannes is a ridiculous.

guess. Oh, my God. What the fuck? His ass is not on cleaning the glass. Huh. But you know what? You know what?

It's not a terrible guess. Body typewise. Okay. Body type. Your low-key kind of close. The Rashad McCann. With 2026 Rashad McCants and this guy

kind of built the same. Hmm. Okay. It's not Miles Turner. No. Get off. You got to get him off. You got to be somewhere, man.

he's got to be lurking this is this is insane though because it's like teams want you to shoot this much and so like if you're one of those no not brook if you're one of those players that it's like okay we're just going to let you shoot but you have this volume like this is this is a lot can't do anything but shoot

says a lot it's not Jared Jackson Jr. The McKinth is like all right so like you have to be a wing kind of he's built like a shot McCants to 26 just big got a good come on you should get this one yo I don't even know what that even means.

This is Lou Dort. Lou? Straight shoulders. I thought it was bigger. Okay. He is Bill like Rashad again. Maybe I'm not too tattooed with Rashad. Straight shoulder work.

You get a gender and push day every day. That's true. Yeah, this is much harder than that thought. Yeah. Okay. I'm like, come on, it's obvious. This is nice. Who is this player?

Only operate. only go left. That's crazy. Really not operating on the right side. Which I didn't really expect. This is kind of crazy. Wow. But it's a pretty.

That could be a lot of floaters. He attacks a lot of spots. Yes, there's a lot of floaters. James operates from everywhere. That is a lot of floaters. Is this Brunson? No. But you're close.

Trey? No, not Trey. Hell no. Jah? Nope. You're close with Brunson far away with Jha. Close with Brunson. There's Garland?

Nope. Close of Brunson. Look at all those wing threesing three. A lot of wing threes. I think in this cat No oh it's Luca This is Luga donchage Yeah I can see the stepback

Yeah stepback wings and floaters from every area Attacking every spot You're right you're right you're right okay That's a weird shot shot is carrying y'all Dude this is Beasol's bag This is his bag he knows a deductive reasoning It's who is his player Oh my god

This is great going into the paint From all areas of deep paint touches And it's all dark red You attack literally all the paint AD. And you're only shooting above the break threes. Okay. And a lot of them too, it's dark red.

You know, darker red, the more you do it. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Hmm. Wemby. Nope, not Wemby. That was a good guess.

Thank you. This Yolkits? This is Nicole Yolkich. Okay. There you go. Finally. One on the board. I thought it'd be way more diverse.

It is pretty diverse, though. It's just the blob and the paint is so dark because it's everywhere that it looks like a diverse, but it's every paint spot. Okay. Who is this player? God, goodness. No, he can't be good.

Also, a lot of stepback threes and then just free the line jumper. So this is also a retired player. Okay. Last 750 shots of his career. Jordan. No.

Barkley. No. But it is very telling that this is the end of this player's career. Straight wing threes and finishing at the rim. Wing threes and finishing at the rim.

Straight wing threes. Look at that. One spot he was shooting threes from. This D. Wade? No, not terribly far off. Oh, this is Carmilla Anthony. No, no, no, hell no. I don't know.

I was kidding. I bet you were cooking too. Nope, no, not cooking shit. Retired, like how retired, like? I think his last year was 2020, maybe. Or did he play in 21? I don't remember. One of those years.

Oh, he's been out of leave for a minute. Okay. Yeah. And this version of him at the end of his career, you wouldn't see the same shot chart early in his career. J.R. Smith. No. Is this Blake?

You think Jerry Smith got old? Start slashing. Listen, he's always can always get to the bucket. But I will say he was teammates with this guy. Teammates of JR? Or JR's teammates of the guy in this year. Oh, this is the Laker.

Yes, oh, yes, yes. Yeah, so who's? Two and two. His teammates would run? Who the fuck was shooting like this? Yeah. Lake career, Ron. This makes a lot of sense.

You didn't know your goat? He was shooting that wing three. He developed it. He became a spacer. Like 40% of some crazy shit? From that one spot. That's crazy. It was always at Wing 3.

Rhonda, okay. I see. Wow. Who is this player? Zion. Wow. Rudy. Oh, okay.

I thought it was Zion. Does Rudy go there? What's that one damn shot, Rudy? We got to scale it back. Straight dunks and then like push shot. Yeah. We got to roll over that, Rudy. I don't get a fuck how right it is.

I thought it was on. That's funny. Who is this player? Ooh. This is a crazy looking shot chart. This is crazy. This is just a three-point contest. He must not get that.

That's every spot of the three-point contest. It's around the world. Corner. So it's like Yolkich, a bunch of shots in every area of the paint and then spots up from specific areas from three. AD. Nope. K.

Hell no. Al Horford. Hell no. Dremont. You're just saying names. I know. Tremont. Dremont's the worst guess I ever heard.

It is. Okay. It's not. Hats. Very calculated from three. Very calculated from three. Trying to get those percentages up. Okay.

Those floaters? Are those floaters? From, well, yeah, when you have that dense of a paint one, yeah, you're kind of doing those short paint touches. Arden? Not Jim, no, hell no. I wanted to say chats, but that doesn't feel right. You're getting a little warmer for reasons that.

Huh? Mowbly? No, you guys are getting real warm, though. That's really good. Wemby. No, you guys can smell them, but you're not realizing what you smell. With Mowbly? No, it's a foreign smell that you're not used to.

Foreign smell. Hey, man. Is it Denny? No, it's not dead. Oh, fuck. But it's smelling real similar. I'm not used to that Denny smell. Come on.

Yeah. I don't know what they smell like it. It did. This is Alperich and good. Ew. It's an ill. Ew. This is very ill.

No, no. Not a 10. No, did, not at the small. Not a little. This shot chart is not good. It's like yokeches, but I'm trying to hit those three some specific areas to get those percentages up. So many, so much worse.

Damn, okay. I think whenever they're really, I think the three point lines that are really solidified is like spot up more likely because if you're running around off dribble threes, it's more likely to be moving around a little bit. Exactly, yeah. So I think you're spotting up and picking your spots wisely. God damn.

Who is this player? This is dumb ass good. You really do everything. Dark from everywhere. Lots of shots. this is Shea. I would say Shea too. Easy.

Attacks every spot. I was going to say to Russ. Complete four. Russ. Rush is the same shots, but if we switch it to percentages of the blue. Yeah, straight blue. It's chilly in here.

Just the shots? This is where Russell was for us. Who is this player? It's very ethical. This is con? Nope, not con, but you're very close. Devin Booker. You're way less close now.

Damn it. Damn it. Okay. Very cool. Those are very close with cons. Yeah, very close of con. Those are what? Those are very deep threes.

This is not Porzini's? Reeves. That's not a bad guess. It's not a good one. That three point shot distribution is not normal. That's awesome Reeves shit. Okay. That's a crazy cloud of threes.

I would think this is Jamal Murray, but it's not because he has way more mid-range. Corrine? Huh? Dane? Not Dane. Dane? Not Dane. I'm kind of disgusted that you guys haven't sent the one name you're dancing.

Right? This is Curry. This is Steph Curry. What the fuck are we doing? Yeah, true, true, true. We said all the Curry likes, but not Curry. God damn it. Who is this player?

Again, above the break threes kind of. Gone. Above the break threes and at the room. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It feels very, feels like a big on a pick and pop. No corner threes. No corner threes.

Not a corner sitter. You see? My first guess was without the big, part. Josh Gidey. No, that's a lot of threes, though. Like, you can't just see, look, the areas. They got to look at the volume and the intensity.

Josh Gidey's not pulling mostly shots in three. Could this be Julius Randall. Could be, but it's not. Is that close? Not really. Okay. Not even a little bit, actually. And?

The hell. No, no, no. Julius Randall was closer. Okay. Neither are even tangentially related to this player. All right. I'm feeling Cannot express to you how off you are

This is Larry Market? No Closer Is that better guess? Better yeah, you're a little warmer It's a day on the other side Jaron? Jaron? Yeah Very warm-ish but nope This is not MPJ right Nope

All right so Jaron is very warmish Yes Lori was closer Is he play on the jazz at least? No what the fuck? Who the hell? That's good to be on it All right No, we're thinking along the lines of like Jaron Jackson Jr. now.

Yeah, yeah, kind of along lines. But imagine we made him, like we gave him the substance. Drayvon? No. What the fuck? If you gave him the substance. Like, if you give him like Super Soldier Serum. Yeah, I meant him better.

That wouldn't be. It's one B. Takes two many damn threes. Oh, wow. That's his last seven hundred and fifty shots. Okay. That's a lot of three. That's a lot.

That's too many threes. Yep. Wow. Which player is. this. This is still seamless. What are you doing, man? Is this Zion?

This is Zion. What are you doing, man? Please. No diversity in the game whatsoever. He's putting his head down. He hasn't delivered. Get him where he wants. That's what he's doing.

He's fighting his spots. He's playing running back. And you know what? He's a good running back. Please, on. That's funny. Next thing we are going to do today. I'm going to show you two separate generations of NBA stars.

You're going to tell me, who you think is better with this specific version of the player in mind. Old versus new. So first off, Campbell Walker versus Darius Garland. It just Clippers Darius Garland. Yeah, whatever for him. Okay. The last like 15 game of Darius gone.

Yeah, I'm taking Darius right now. I think the playmaking is better and I think that's the separation for me. So any version of, not any version Darius, but I think Darius is going right now. I'd rather have because the playmaking is such a difference maker. And the types of threes, offball threes that he's making. is like special. I don't think Kemba was the level of shooter. No.

Darius is a better playmaker and better shooter. And it's not like either of them are locking up. Yeah. And it's not like what Kemp was a crazy slasher to make up for it. Yeah. I don't think peak Kamba could, he could like start for a team, but you're not going to be very good. Damn. Darius is obviously like Kempa is up there in terms of like twitchiness and and handles and stuff.

But even Darius whenever he's at his peak. Like his handle. His handles really good. His handles too. which year, peak for Pete is, is Garland's handle better than than Kemba's? I don't want to say yes too fast, but I think, I don't know. I don't know. That's tough.

That's a different. I think I'm going to go with Darius because I do think his overall scoring bag is, is better than Kemba's. But it is close, though. Because Kemba's like can do it maybe slightly less thing, but he's going to be super, like, when he was at his peak, he could. score obviously in volume, but I'll take Darius. And also, Kimba can stay healthy consistently too.

Yeah, I'm picking Darius pretty easily. Yeah. Pacers, Paul George versus this year's Jalen Brown. Oh my God. This is nasty. All NBA, assuming Jalen Brown versus pre-leg break Paul George. Or honestly, whatever the best version of Paul George is to you. Okay, well, it's the, what, 2018, Paul George?

George. Yeah, that's tough. His MVP. Yeah, yeah. How's Jaylon Brown passed up, Paul George? It's probably going to be the same scenario this year. Yeah, literally, it is literally going to be the same. He's going to be fifth on the ballot, yo, my MVP year.

Yeah, yeah. So which version of MVP years for Wings is better? Paul George probably because he has a little bit more playmaking and he's a better three-point shooter. I'm going to give Paul George the nod. And it's unfair to Jaylon Brown. Yeah. But I've seen whatever version of like old Paul George that you want. That version was like a number one just a little bit longer.

And I feel like we're seeing the absolute peak of Jalen Brown. Not sure if we would see this again next year. Jaylon Brown is the final's MVP. True, true, true, true. Damn man, this Paul George. For all the hate we give Hardin for his playoff, disappearances, man. What if I thought better of y'all.

It's okay. It's okay. Trust me, I'm not a Paul Dior stand either. Hold on, wait, wait, wait. I just realized, fuck, man. Paul George shot 43% from the field that MVP year. From the field? Yeah, really 44% from the field.

In the 2017, 2018 season? 2018, 2019. Yeah. He shot 44% from the field. Hey, that's your MVP, not mine. Jaylon Brown, you got it. Oh, yeah, I got to go, J.B. Ah, man, I wish I didn't do research.

Sometimes it hurts to know too much. You watch basketball with the stat sheet? Hmm? No, it just, you know, but I got to respect Jeline Brown. Let it be one time. Prime, Dirk Novitsky versus this year's version of Wembe. As Wembe's defensive acumen already got him in these conversations. This is a lot.

I just want to say yes real quick and mute. This is a lot. Obviously, we haven't seen playoffs yet. Assume what you want. Has this version of two-way demon of Wembe got himself into all-time categories? Every single week. For this year you've taken over Wembe. Every single week, we have a meeting and we think about what we do,

and we ask ourselves, how can we glaze even more? How can we go further and further and further? More glaze. I can't stand with it this time. I'm going to go with Dirk on the room. So he's kicked off the glaze committee. Beesoles, welcome to the crew. We're not even in the playoffs.

I got a clip. You've been promoted. We haven't got to the playoffs yet. Yeah, well, I mean, for the point of the exercise, just assume what you want about the playoffs. Don't assume it's some legendary year, but assume he's as you'd want from a time. top three player in the world lives up to that.

I think peak for peak with whatever peak Wemby's hitting right now, I value that defense and whatever gives you offensively. It's two MVP level players. Yeah. They didn't get me. Wembert.

One's going to be second players. One got the MVP. Yeah, give me sucks. This is kind of nasty. I don't go lie. For the modern NBA, Wembe might actually be better, but we still say Prime Dirk from what he did in his MVP year in the 2011.

We can still give him the Nogis better than Wembe, but if we're rebuilding a team today, I'm probably going to pick Wembe. Yeah, the defense is too, it's too game-praking. You never seen defense like that in your entire life. I'll say to salute, Dirk, you win in this experiment,

but if it was a redraft, I'm picking Wembe. Yeah, this guy has to be the goat. I know. He has to be the goal. Yeah, I'm aiming way higher than Dirk. It is like as he talks. This shit is slight to me.

This glacial. It's just easy. Come on, man. Tony Allen versus Lou Dort. Dirk's going to see that. be like, don't you ever open your mouth about me. I think there's time to be like, shit, would be different.

I don't know. Tony Allen versus Lou Dort. Okay, Lou Dort today. I'm going to Tony Allen. Yeah, I'm going to Tony Allen, I think. His three points is always way worse, though. Yes. No, it wasn't way worse.

It wasn't way worse. It didn't exist. Yeah. Astronomically ass. It was so bad. It would be an issue today. Yeah. Players like him really don't exist in the league anymore.

But players like him, Lou Dort might have been like him back then because maybe he wouldn't have cared as much about shooting threes because it'd be fine and today Tony Allen would get in the lab and would probably be as good as a shooter as Lou Dort.

Also, for as physical of a defender as Tony Allen is, we're not calling Tony Allen one of the dirtiest players in the league. Yeah, true. And he has much more respect as a defender than Dort.

If you play it today though with how hateful Twitter is today, do you think people would? No, because I think what Dort's doing is legitimate. It's a legit problem? Yeah. Yeah. It's actually an issue.

Tony Allen, like, they, like, the way people talk about, like, Caruso in the, in the playoffs, that's probably where they're, like, met out with Tony Allen. We have a five-minute highlight tape of him running into people's knees, taking people down. So I'm going to go Tony Allen. Yeah. It's Lou Dorton and Dremont are in a team of the row of being, like, ridiculously over the top. Yeah. I was watching that Spurs versus Warriors game last night because I hate myself. Draymond just thrown himself in Wembe's knees, diving for all these stupid rebounds.

I'm like, this guy, man, with Curry isn't there, he's got to show out. I know. It's absurd. I was like, he quit rolling around. You're going to hurt the goat. Rookie LeBron James versus 41-year-old LeBron James this year. I don't even want to think about sciatica. So I'll take rookie LeBron James.

Rookie LeBron that couldn't shoot is a rookie or old, wily veteran LeBron that can't drive white people like he once did. He still can't shoot. Well, now we can't shoot, but it's a little better now. It's recover. He has a cold stretch, but he can shoot. Yeah. I'm taking 2026 LeBron. In a playoff series today, what makes the Lakers better?

Rookie LeBron or 2026? Man, if they had an athlete like 0.3 LeBron? Hey, man. Rui, you sit down. Is O3 LeBron like just a man, Thompson? It's like O'3 LeBron. I don't know if they would give him as much on-ball responsibility. Because he's like 50 pounds heavy.

Just turn him to super like super serum or super soldier fucking Derek Jones, Jr. Let him be that, bro. And is that better than LeBron James right now? as like elite dirt option figuring it out a man or LeBron who's better today that's what I'm saying it's a man with 50 pounds

come on I don't know about 50 was he that heavy as a rookie I don't think he's 50 pounds a man's not small a man plus 40 pounds what stands yeah I'm taking 03 brons I think it's 2026

I think if I'm the Lakers I want 03 brons 2026 bron I don't know he's a kind of The scoring is kind of cooked. I don't know. I guess O3 Braun is probably better. If we made O3Bron a role player on a good team,

he would have been like, oh, God, is Aaron Gordon? Yeah. O3Bron with 2026 NBA spacing? All right, man. The slashing? Yeah. Come on. Okay, okay.

I said, is this a man? This is Kay Cunningham? Come on. Okay. O3 wins. Old 2018 James Hardin or this year is Luca. Now, this is tough. These are two of the most unethical people.

I've ever seen my life. I have no idea how to feel about this. Now, James already did, if I remember regularly, he did have a good playoff run this year. Yeah, he had like a game winning. Yeah, he had a damn near a game winning shot. That was the game winner in the regular season where he shot over two Warriors defenders, complete aura and hype moments,

got to the playoffs, pushed them to seven, but they missed 27 straight threes and Chris Paul was injured. Yeah. Fuck you, too. He was kicking a dead dog. And he had the nerve last week to be like, I don't hate James Hardin. No, that's not what I said.

I said in that moment, I'm not hated. So that's a big difference. Do you feel better enough about the playoff version of Lucas? Can you say Luca has surpassed James Hardin? No. You scoring heights? No with what Lucas is going to do in the playoffs and how. their game just look different,

meaning just Luca converts buckets. James Hardin doesn't. Yeah, I'd say... Luke is not as much for a playoff dropper as James Hardin. But regular season, James Hardin is still better. What do you do with that information? What's the... What's the goal?

We're... You're trying to win. Try to win MVP. You're trying to win a chip. It's not like Luke has a chip or anything. Or an MVP. Oh, but if... You probably was like a perennial runner up, too. I think we'll forget about that.

For like four straight years, outside of the year he won. Yeah. And then he got one. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's Luca now. That's Luke now. This is a damn near tie. Honestly.

Okay, one's better regular season. One's better for else. Fuck it. I don't know who I want. Whatever your goals are in life. Do you want to sell tickets or you want to make a finals and get butt blasted? You decide. Bud Blasted.

Duane Wade, or this year's version of Kauai Leonard? This is tough. Who would you rather have? I'm going to Dwayne. Dude, this version of Kauai is taking like eight threes and smack it in like 30. percent of them. That's fine. Have you seen 2009,

Wade? I'll take the superhero. I'll take Flash. Yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking D. He really was a superhero. 2009 Dway and is a man amongst boys.

Yeah. You almost forget, though, they went under on those screens. Oh, fuck. Then I'm going on Kawai.

Pat Bev was right. Pat Beb would never say it about Kauai. He would never heard of those words about Kauai. And we have to listen to everything Pat Bev says. In fact,

I'll go as far as to say he's never been wrong. It's his error. Where Pat Bev's says it's law. So I guess we have to go Kauai. The last five or inside the NBA's and next five are Pat Bebs. Okay.

Who is he think? What about doing weight clearly? Chonzie billups are Terry Rozier. Who gets more money? Terry. Terry? His contract Well, above or under the table? TBD.

Under, you don't pay no taxes on that. Oh, Chauncey. Oh, no. He's paid. now. He's going to pay now. Bigging every dime. I don't know what I would do. I'd rather be an accomplice of

Chauncey Billups rather than Terry Rozier. You'd rather be involved with the poker games. Yeah. Yeah, because I think the way Terry was doing it, it operates like a wild man. I bet people made money in Chonsie Billups operation and got away with it. I think Terry just got him and his friends caught up.

Yeah. Just dumbasses. You got like 200K dropped off in front of your house and everyone knows like what? Like 200K? It's on the ring camera. Yeah. 200K.

That's light to the mafia that Chauncey blows with. Yeah. That's the buying for every game. That's the buy-in to the first game where Chauncey's serving as bait. You know, we're going with Chanty's here.

Old school scamming, man. It's a lost art. Yeah. Yeah, if you're going to scam. Go big or go home. Doing like a decent man. Charles Barkley or Shay Gildis Alexander.

I'm sorry, Chuck. Peak for a peak. Who is better? MVP versus MVP. I'm sorry, Chuck. I'm going to say. I think I go Shay, but I don't want to make it sound so easy.

Yeah, but they're both NEPPs. I agree. I agree. And I think Chuck would be really good today. As a slasher with spacing, he'd be more off the dribble, less post up. He would translate well today.

However. However. Heavy on that. However. Heavy. However, Shay is getting Kobe comps. Shea is getting MJ comps. Charles Barkley,

you're not them. And Chuck said, He said in 93 that the only person, the only time that he ever thought that somebody was better than him at basketball was whenever he played Michael Jordan. This other guy, like you said, is getting Michael Jordan comps.

We're going to go with Shea. Yeah. The longevity of Charles Barkley is still better than Shea because he's just getting started in his window. But peak for peak, it's not ridiculous to say that Shea has passed him up. We're saying just getting started. He's right in the middle.

Yeah. Charles Barkley had like 10 years in the MVP ballot. It's crazy. Gordon Hayward or Concaniple. Give me Cohn Smokes Gordon Hayward. Dude, it took Gordon Hereat so fucking long to develop

into an all-star for one singular year. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I look at the stats lately and I'm like, what was we hyping? Yeah. Never felt for it.

Dude, people were shaking. Jimmy Butler Paul George Comps, right? I don't know. This is, that's also peak inflation should change in the past few years.

Yeah, exactly. People were shaking their ass for Gordon-Hubert in the off season, right? My team shake their ass for Gordon-Hawrard's. And he gave you the ass.

Like you won. Yeah. Play the sound. Would you say that you are kinky? Oh, the audience is not working. You didn't go through. No. People don't hear the button you just pressed.

Anyways. Yes, I'm thinking. They're just going to hear it say too. I know. Every day of the week. Yeah, I agree. Let me see if I can adjust the hook. We're just us saying kik.

I know. We look mad weird. We have something. I'm doing a hook of two. I'll promise you. We had something. Would you say that you are kinky? There we go.

We were not crazy. Next up. Kevin Lover's Cooper Flagg. I was never a Kevin Love guy. Give me Cooper Flag. I was never a Kevin Love guy. I'll take Cooper Flag. You were calling Kevin Love a fraud in third grade?

All the time. Year one Cooper Flag. Bro, I saw him. I saw him get that 30, 30. I said, thank. Come on, man. You were hated before Twitter made it popular? Yep.

Yeah, I am going Cooper Flagg. I know that the three-point shot obviously is not as prolific. And so Kevin Love can fit onto a lot of teams and be a very, very good player. But I just think that where Cooper Flag can do defensively, the level scoring that he is at right now, even without the three-point shot, I'm taking Cooper. I can't take rookie Cooper flag over peak Kevin Love, not yet. What else is there? He'll get there for sure. If he doesn't clear Kevin Love, it'll be a fucking travesty.

You know, you could tell me, based off of his defense playmaking, I'm assuming, like, the scoring level that he will take year two, year two, Cooper flag over any version of Kevin Love, I could get there, but not right now. Yep, I agree. Last one. White Chocolate versus Peyton Richard. It's tough.

I don't know, man. I think Peyton Pritchin clears. Oh, yeah, pump fake. Oh. The return of the bullshit Don't do that again So that being said We're going Jason Williams now

He does know the deal He was in the NBA today Sometimes lightning strikes twice I need another edit I will say Yeah Peyton Purchin he does He is better though Like he should win

Especially the modern NBA I guess we can let Beasols finally get something off Despite the cringe will have to say Peyton Pritcher wins. Last time it was Payton Pitcher for Austin Reeves. Competition is a little bit lower now. We'll get to him.

And like every time we get to the end of the quarter, all the announcers every time. You know, this is Peyton Pritcher time. And I'd be waiting for him to fail. And he keeps getting shots up and he keeps knocking him down. So I'm going to go Peyton Pritcher. There was a point in time it was getting annoying where they would just feed him the ball and he kept on missing for a first stretch of time.

I'm like, can someone else get the ball finished? Let Jail and shoot on begging. Yeah. Please, please. You got to give Peyton the ball, man. If he doesn't have it, what does he do? Yeah, good point. And that has the last one.

Oh, no, one more. My bad. Pump fake. Oh. JJ Reddick versus Austin Reeves. This is not even close. Holy shit. What was the best version of JJ?

Was it that year in Philly when he averaged like 18 a game? I think so. Probably. There might have been a version in LA where it. The Clippers? He had his most responsibility with that year with the Sixers where he was at his best. I think I'm not even thinking twice about it Give me Austin Reeves

Completely different caliber level of hilarious Do you think JJ would agree? I don't know I think JJ would agree But if you said it he might want to kill you He would be like in my role I was better He would try to nerd his way out

In this one right now I think he would be the first Do you get it? Mm hmm Awesome Rees never showed her the burden And being the most hated white man on the planet He didn't People were hating

J.J. Redd more than George W. Bush That is true that's the company he kept in 05 that's the company he kept dangerous times he was not rush for him hating white boys it was world leaders

and JJ Reddy nah yeah I think okay so I think in the NBA I think peak Austin Reeves is better but if we're comparing

like peak Austin Reeves obviously it's a weird comparison but like peak Austin Reeves to like peak Duke Duke J.J. Reddick that that Duke version of J.J. Reddick is different The worst person. What is we're talking about?

Of like where you are compared to like your peers and stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, there was a gap for sure. It's not crazy to say that. I don't mean that. Next thing we are going to do today, I ask you guys on Twitter to give us your best, most believed NBA conspiracy theories.

We are going to react to them today. Let you know if we agree with you. Do we have foil? I don't. We probably do. You can put some on your head if you'd like if you want to make a hat. Nice. So, Arson Crafts.

First off. old classic one two bit hack says MJ was given a choice to either take a ban for his gambling or retire after his first three Pete do you guys believe that he had all two your motives for his retirement

huh take a ban for like oh for the gambling okay ah man I would like to believe it me person you know that top agenda I'm pushing and I would fucking vote for this

yes I believe this hell yeah I do you would like to believe that the greatest basketball player of all time arguably is a gambling degenerate 900% and you understand his legacy is on the line and he has a potential to cement it as the greatest of all time. And he was like, you know what?

This sounds better. Jordan is calculated. Way more calculated than you think. Donovan, do you buy this? Of course I do. Of course I do. Are you going to buy a question first? Are you going to buy all of these?

Maybe. Maybe. The hardest part, I would say, obviously, I don't know yet. But the hardest part about the Jordan thing is the fact that like you built up this entire like Lauren's story about Michael Jordan, about him just like wanting to kill everything. everybody in every single competitive aspect. And then one day when he's literally has his foot on the league's neck, he's like, yeah, I'm going to take it off. I'm done.

That doesn't make any sense. Yeah. That, like, I can, even, even with the circumstances, I can see that being some, something that he looks at. It's like, yeah, I'm going to keep going. So, I, there's a little bit where I'm like, okay. I like this. I think he was tired.

Tired? Yeah. I think it's exhausting to go to 10 straight finals. Get lonely at the top, man. I think it's hard to go to eight straight finals. LeBron's done it. I think only one guy can do it. Okay.

That's why he's there. Omni Pepper says that there are no conspiracy theories and everything is fair. I am not Adam Silver, commissioner of the National Basketball Association. Like Alive, this is probably something that Adam would do. He probably did write this. You think Adam got burners? Yes. A hundred percent.

He thinks in our comment section with him? Yes. I know about our comment section. He's tapped in. He's tested. He's tests. chest. That was so check out.

Yo, shout out the chest, man. That would check out. Will 792 says, theory, Donovan Mitchell may not have outmeaded Shea and there was padding involved. Hashtag padgates. The padding files? That's a lot. That's a big allegation.

The pad files. We're finished. We're calling Donald Mitchell Paddington. Padgate. That's a big. allegation. Out of all the theories he came up in the world,

he still thought about the meet-off. That's still in people's top of mind. As it should be. I mean, do you forget history often? I don't even remember

what it looks like, bro. Not just lying. I don't. I don't. You want me to release a straight face. Say it with a straight face.

On folk, I'm not lying. Mind you, he had to make a joke out of it. I'm about a day. He remembers just lying. They're not straight at all. No, man, that's crazy.

This is a good conspiracy theory. That wasn't natural. Couldn't be. Barry Bonds, dude. We're in the Royner. It wasn't natural. Wizard said. We're in the Royd era.

A meat. What? We're getting meat BL. That's what they're calling them. Meat BLs. They're calling them BDLs. D. D.

Oh, you know what, Domper Mitchell was a trailblazer. He's ahead of the curve. Oh, my gosh. There's probably celebrities we didn't know about like 30 years ago getting hair chance fans

before it became popular to go to Turkey. DGLs before we all knew about it. DDS. Wizard's edit says that minute ball was at least 50 while he was in the league.

How long was he in elite for? He had a smad sort of career. At least. At least 50's crazy. He might have been 60. I don't know. It was a common conspiracy theory that he lied about his age

and that he was actually like a 40 year old rookie A lot of people do that Yes I 100% agree with that I don't know about 40 or 50 That's fucking 50s mad crazy Is that a 30 year old dude? How long did he say he was? If you go back the

The picture that you see from like the 70s There's dudes Complete bald right Like everything And then it's like oh this guy was 23 Like they were aging so poorly back there I can understand why this is... Let's look up rookie minute bowl.

He was supposedly 23 years old. Like... Okay, let's see. What's my... Like, bro, if you look up a picture of Nate Thurman, when Nate Thurman was 22... Zoom in on this, Bissolz. This is rookie Mnute Bull at 23 years old.

Oh, my gosh. Zoom in to the trackpad. 23-year-old Mnude Bull. All right, so he might be like 26. But like... 26? Do you think Malibol was out here with skin care, with toners and sunscreen? He was just happy to wash his face in the morning.

I promise you. So I'm saying he's just throwing water on his face and calling it a day. Yeah, I'm looking at a picture of Bobo when he was a rookie. Yeah, man, he was at least like 28. There's no way. I think he was a 32-year-old rookie. At least 50. At least 50 is hilarious.

Because what would that mean? Let's say he's a 32-year-old rookie. he played from 86 to 95 Who named your bro, what? 60 hoopin? Zero way. No way, bro.

Bro, being that old in that, that's the greatest athlete of all time. It's so impressive. That's a goal of my, I saw this video of, there's a race with 80 year olds and they do,

they do 100 meter dashes. These 80 year olds are getting after them. And that is now one of my life goals is I want to be the fastest 80 year old man. America. You gotta start training now, man.

That's gonna be Michael Irvin. He's gonna be 80. Running a fucking 4-8. Run it, running hills. Bob X says that in game one in 2008, Paul Pierce shit, his pants went left in a wheelchair. Beesles. This is a theory soon?

I do believe that. I ain't going to line. There's too much evidence. Evidence. We found the specimen. What was that streak, bro? He still hasn't explained it. And his story has changed up so many times.

At this point, you are. guilty. When he's told different versions of it, really? Yes, yes. There's ones where, like, he admitted it. There's other ones who were like, nah, I was, I was injured. Why would I do that? Like, all right, man.

That's funny. They carried him. They had the wheelchair, and then they had him when they were carrying him just by his limbs. Yo, do you know how badly, like, you got to be constipated to say, yo, fuck the chair, man. Just carry me. That's bad. He's a liar. He don't want to sit on it.

Yeah. He don't want to smush it. Would a spread. Down his leg. Stain the streak would have been bigger. That, ooh, man. A turtle head would have been poking out. I respect it.

My favorite non-N-B.A conspiracy theory is that we eat oatmeal because the ruling class is forcing commoners to eat horse food. Do you like oatmeal? Yeah. Okay, you can bear it. I don't like oatmeal. Oats. I like throwing a smoothie, I guess. But, like, I don't love it.

Ah, okay. That we eat oatmeal because of it. You know what, that's real. Oatmeal can't. can be very comfy though. That's real. Compi oatmeal? Yeah.

I just watched the video yesterday about this dude was talking about like synthetic luxuries and he was like whenever he's like most people in the world haven't eaten like real vanilla or like real wasabi because the actual stuff like doesn't, you know, get produced or anything. And listen, I saw that video last night. You tell me this today. Yeah, I'm eating horse food. I believe that.

I'm with you. The league is. purposely having refs make bad calls in big games to draw media buzz he said these reps are clip farming

I'm not putting anything past Mr. Silver I think Adam Silver knows what clip farming means I think he says that in his vocal in his vocabulary so who might say

he doesn't tell the refs to do it I don't know man sometimes these rest are brittle I don't know maybe there's dumb yeah

maybe it's all natural yeah I think so I don't know I think the refs control it they can control that's always been my conspiracy theory like they can't control

every bucket going going in, but they can definitely control the pace of the game and how a game is called. They can put their foot on the scale a little bit. Yeah, they can put it on. No, so we know that they can alter things. Do you think they're purposely making the wrong calls for attention to make people mad? No. No.

So, El conspiracy? Yeah. Because it stays on their reputation. So now. Yeah, and then they can't like work finals games and stuff like that. I will say, though, they are trying to make them stars and stuff. You see how these reps, you see how they, they're starting. to be much more like

theatric when they're announcing. I thought it was just that one ref. There's a lot of them. He's a troll-bizer. There's a lot of them that give very like long and drawn-out explanations after replays. LeBron Beyond steroids, bro.

Jeff T. wasn't joking. Okay. If you're the league, do you ever want to test this? I'm sure he gets tested the same amount as everybody else. Here's another hit. Barry Bond.

I'd assume so. Okay. Okay. I don't feel like we should talk about this. I feel like we might get packed up tomorrow. The bands are going to come. He has a red daughter

in his forehead right now. He's swind a little bit. Fuck. I see the bands. I hear the saxophones. It's a lot. But do you feel like too close to the truth?

You feel like you're on spotlight? They're going to come for you. The Catholic Church and take you down. They don't do me like Sebi. The Morris twins, swapping places for that playoff game.

Do you feel like the Morris twins played in each other's shoes? Do they have the exact same tattoos? I doubt it. Allegedly. That is the Allegedly they do That's the claim

That feels hard to believe Why would they like want to do that? Let me just pull up a picture They have a lot of tattoos I don't think it's in their personality I'd be like hey bro Would it be cool if it's got to be meat munching though Why?

Meat much You're just saying tattoos It's your twin brother Come on, bro Be original You can't be original You're already not original That's what I'm saying

You're already not original Can you at least get original tattoos? No I'm a lean into being not original That's my bro That's me No When I see him I see me

because it's me literally no are you anti twin how do you feel you're fucking whack I think you can be that's that's

that's not performative I'm gonna say that yeah I'm gonna get it off that nah bro same tattoos so yeah I get you you don't like

you don't dislike twins you just like those twins you just want those twins to be one of the good ones wait what are you putting on you the good ones what are you talking about right now this

next to you next to you the Mavericks the number one of all pick was rigged 100% 100% I saw this random ass graphic the other day it showed like how every single time a team

a team trades are like superstar player the following year get the number one overall they put the thing in big tanks over the top Yes You saw two

I'm straight profiling you Say cheese sports Hell yes Hell yes Oh my God Yeah Very true This league

The NBA The NBA rigs his lottery Most like Word Bro It makes too much sense You can't tell me It doesn't

I will buy every time into the song with damn. Oh my God. I just think Nico Harrison is the luckiest motherfucker in the world, honestly. I think every time we do this, we give him way too much credit, cut him way too much bail to say it was part of the plan. He knew what he was doing. I think

there's nobody in life that's been luckier than that idiot. Lucky, he's out of a job. Good. Eventually his luck ran out. But he survived longer than he should have. No, man. David Robinson, another famous player, in the 80s and 90s, 100% used steroids. Not all, but there are a lot of stories

about guys giving unreal amounts of muscle during the off season and all going bald. I don't care how tough army training is. The Admiral did not get the pills off of pull-ups? Yeah, this is like, this is like, undeniably true. There was hella steroids in the 80s and 90s, like hella. This is undeniably true. They had to go in the opposite way.

Yeah, I don't know about David specifically, but undeniably true that those guys were huge as fuck with way less education. on protein intake. They didn't have creatine. They didn't have monitoring.

They were all massive. Before baseball made everybody cut down. The baseball guys ruined the rule book so every sport had to fall

the suit. We started testing for it. Snazy YGO. Can you do a pull-up? Damn. Because if not, then I think that this is kind of hating.

But he's right, though. He made his hand on David Robinson. I don't know if David falls in there or not. Maybe he's a genetic, he's genetically gifted to be that big. I don't know.

But a lot of those role players are pretty fucking huge in the 80s. And it was not a coincidence. Yeah. Run to hill. Exactly. You got running hills, doing burpees. That also is just like,

I feel like standard athletic training across the board. Like everybody was kind of trained the same way. And then as time goes on there. It's like, oh, basketball players are trained like this. Yeah. They got less meat heady because they realize flexibility and stuff matters. There's also like there's more space today.

So they've got to be flexible. Yeah. Back then you got to be strong. So that's definitely part of it. Yeah. But he is actually right. for like the 80s. Dr. Evil Chicken says,

one of Jimmy Butler, Anthony Edwards is absolutely Michael Jordan's son and no one can convince me otherwise. My favorite part. The evidence lines up all too well. What is the evidence?

The evidence? The split-face pictures of them side by side. You saw that one microzumba video. They see those memes that look like this Queen Elizabeth and XXXX and Zosian memes. And they're like,

the evidence all lines up. Would you like to submit your evidence to us? so we can also see. Because if it's, all right. This man wants Michael Jordan's evidence. What? This is such a reach.

This is a nasty reach. I didn't even reach for that. And not me. Yeah, that's a lot. Next one. Next one. The Nuggets Management have intentionally prevented the signing

of good backup centers to inflate Yokish's advanced statistics so he can win MVP's. I agree. What are we talking about? They've just been bad at their job. They haven't been the greatest. Exactly.

Why do we keep siding people like, well, they had false hope on guys like Vika Naji. It's not my fault. He ain't pan out. Bro, Lowe recently did a video where he looked at Yokic's like recent assists, like on NBA.com. You know how they do the play-by-play?

Yes. Oh, yeah. Bro. They'd be padding. I ain't going to lie. I think the reality is like every home stats keepers. a little generous. Jamal Murray would take

three gerbils do us spending a step back and get an assist. It's really bad. You're right. It does pertain to every star player ever, honestly.

Yeah, every home team is like that where they give a little love to their guys. It just depends on who you want to hate on and we'll find out. It's a lot. It's a lot.

Yeah. With a lot. Seven assists, a lot, bro. Like, it's bad. Oh, no,

he'll be at 13. Fuck. He sucks. That is different. is very different he's not the triple double king 13 is still Caleb

Kee 4 says I mean every time a star gets traded to L.A. in the past 15 years that team that traded them wins the lottery. Coincidence that's that graphic I've been telling you about man. That's say she's sports they're on to something. Is it every time?

Anthony Davis Luca Donchich did the Grizzlies didn't get one for Paugasol. Shack? Oh, no, no,

last 15th. They got, they got the, they got the two picks in back-to-back years with Shaq and Penny, and then Shaq just left. Yeah, he just left.

It was not the same? Yeah. Was it back-to-backer? Anthony Davis, and then Luca, they're setting a trend. Every time this happened in Adam Silver's NBA,

they won the lottery after. So who's getting in now? So if Yonis becomes a Laker in the summer, then he's a bucking at the next year? No, though. I don't think the bucks can't, because I don't think they have their pick.

Never mind. You have to get traded. Yeah. That means a Portland trailblazer. Who the fuck was hell Portland? That's funny. I believe this. The cabs are about to get the no one big against.

So do we think the lottery? Most of the comments on this post were about the lottery and that being rigged for the whims of the front offices of the league. I feel like if there's any aspects of the league to be like rigged or like controlled, it has to be the lottery. Like I know like we literally see the odds happen in our, like, like pretty much happened right in front of our face with the, um,

with the ping pong balls and shit, but I don't know. I don't, I can't tell you the, like the actual logistics behind it, but I know it's happened before. And there's been literally tape of it back in, what,

the 90s or was it the 80s? 85 is, 804, but no, the 85, the Patrick Ewing one is the famous one. Yeah, that's the envelope one.

There's tape of it, but it's not like there's like smoking gun tape. It looks a little weird when you're looking for it. Yeah. But it's not like they have like clear cut evidence. At the end of day, like this shit is a business and it's an entertainment. So.

I'm going to do what it needs, what needs to happen to build the best product. So I don't blame them. I would do too. Unarmed says that they're overblowing the tanking problem to expand the draft lottery to help big market teams get better players in the draft, give the playoff teams a better opportunity to climb up the draft. And they're using the team's tanking as like a punishment as the means to make it happen. So just making a bad problem even worse. They're tired of Zions going to New Orleans and getting their career ruined.

They want to see Zions go to New York and thrive. I kind of rock with that I kind of like that getting the number one pick and drafting a pumpkin where if the clippers had gotten that pick they want to draft a resus shay

they would have to do with their job and pick castle I kind of like this could you go out of your way to really really make sure that nobody's thinking like that for real

okay identified a clear overreaction they were all kind of perplexed by that why is Adam silver moving this way. Tanking is obviously not this big of a deal. What's the ulterior motive? Ah, Lakers, Knicks, that's the motive.

He sees the connecting dots. Celtics. They're trying to get DeBanza back up there. In a couple years, they're trying to have a duo of DeBanza and Cooper Flag. I'm just so happy that they see what we see, man. You see this? 100%.

Okay. It's my favorite one. I believe the reason Kauai Leonard is bawling out so hard the season is that once the season concludes, due to the aspiration scandal, Kauai's contract will become void and he will be a free agent on the open market. He's trying to earn himself a payday. Now this, it's a bailout. It's a contract year for him? Yes, and he knows it. He knows a punchment coming down. This is what you call noticing Andrew C.T. You are smart. Ah, man. Is his contract going to be void? He's kind of cooking. He's cooking with all the gas in the world. He's

looking with fish grease. All right, Mark Jones. I think the, would it be like more of a punishment to just let him go and just void his contract? Does it? It's a punishment to the Clippers because now they don't have Quai Lennon. Yeah. Yeah. The Clippers

had deserved way more punishment than Kauai's self-Kalai. Do they look? Do they look you want that? No, they have no pigs. They want Colli Lennon. Yeah. And if they, if he's going to leave, they want to trade Kuiliners so they get some of those picks back. They have no reasons to not want Like just keep them on the team until this contract expires What are you going to do with that cap space?

Signed as A Hardinstein. Great. Fucking awesome. Bring them back. Sick. I think Andrew is, this is a great conspiracy theory. But if the league was real, they would banquire from the NBA. Damn.

Yeah. Really set the standard. Jam. And now, bro, people would fucking hate Adam Silver forever. If they voided Kauai's contract and then he was like, well, I don't really want to go anywhere. I guess I'll play for the Lakers. and then Kauai ended up on the Lakers?

That'll be nuts. If Kauai ends up on the Lakers next to Luca as a punishment, as a result of the punishment for the aspiration stuff, at that point, yeah, it's a reason. Adam Silver will be removed from office the next day. Yeah. You're noticing the plot too hard. We've been talking about it in the Lakers back channels.

It can't happen. That's disgusting, they can't happen. No, it's funny. That's like not impractical. No, I know. It's like, that's probably, he doesn't want to leave L.A. Yeah. That can't happen.

Also, it could because like, he's never healthy. This is the best healthy season in the long time. Like, it wouldn't be this, like, insane thing if they use other capspace on him. It'd be great when he's healthy, but, like,

there'd be some caveats there, you know? Like, I'll try to act like, he's not going to be excited when Kauai. I'll sell myself. I'll sell myself. That's what I'm saying, when Kauai Leonard is on the team. But I'll be cautiously optimistic, you know?

Like, I've seen the last six years of Kauai's legacy. Yeah. I want to see a Celtics Lakers final so bad. Whatever it takes. Let's do it. I want to see it this year, honestly. Yeah. I would love to see it this year.

Both imperfect teams, these like not juggernaut all-time level, but very good teams, it would be beautiful. Yeah. Tatum dogs, Luca. All right, man. I'm pushing a job. I'm pushing a Jeff. That's the end of that. No more conspiracy theories.

We had to make it about Tatum. That is the conspiracy theory. Yeah, that Tatham controls everything. It's going to dog, Luca. Oh, man, fuck. Next thing we were going to do. Last week, we picked the best player in the. the NBA at every position so far this season.

Let's pick the best rookie in the NBA at every position so far this season. Okay, okay. So just the rookie class, who has been the best so far? Point guard through center. Who do you want to get the point guard spot to? Dylan Harper's been really good coming off the bench. I think I'll give it to Harper. I think he's been the best, but also like the most efficient with his limited role.

Yeah. I feel fair with that. Yeah, he's, they ease them into it, but it worked. And now he's playing fantastic at the end. season. Yeah. So I think Harper's Harper's. I mean he's him or Jeremiah Fears? He's a clear answer. Salute. Yeah, I'm not giving the

not to Jeremiah. Yeah, no. No Nolan, Trayorlove? Please. I only mention him just to That's all he gets for me. Okay, so shooting guard. We're putting Con at 2 or Khan at 3? You tell me? Who do you depends who else want to squeeze in there? I think he plays both. Vijay 2, Conn at 3? It can be Vijay and Khan or

we could go Khan and Cedric Howard. VJ.V.J. versus Cedric coward who's been better as a rookie i think sedrick's probably been more consistent oh so has he had the highs of vj no no no vj's been dropping 30 multiple times yeah but sedrick's thinkers aren't as bad though uh i'm i think i would go with with vj just because we could go a dutero because i think i think vj that's all the straightest face i've ever see you have. And it seems like he was like slightly dead ass about it too.

For two seconds, I was like, who the fuck even is a dude, bro? You're talking about one of my cousins? How you know him? I'm talking about the dude from the G League? Fuck you. He's the next lockdown defender on the Lakers. Better remember fucking remember the name.

All right. So let's go VJ and Kahn. VJ and Kahn. VJ is an incredibly important part of a playoff team. And so was gone. Gone has completely changed the team's life, helping them become a playoff team. a perennial shitter before you got there.

Then flag at the four. Yeah, is that really any competition at the four? Yeah. Unless you want to mean, shout out that. Calamary Boyles. Yeah, shout out that month of Colomery Boyles being a demon. Yeah. Where you got hurt.

But Power forward-wise, and A's Bailey's having very strong into the season. I'm sorry, it's Cooper. It's different. You're playing on the jazz. It's taking. You know what I feel so bad for? Trey Johnson.

He's having some good rookie year two. No one gives a damn. He's been fine. He's just floating around the worst in the league. Just running around shooting threes. Nobody's played real basketball. Worst scenario for an offball shooter three I know

Yeah His life didn't change next year Salute to A's Bailey You can be six man But Cooper flag obviously He gets power forward Okay Center

Who's been the best center In this class Yonick was Hoover for a while Yeah I think Yonick actually Is the best center in this class But Ryan Calkburn He gets minutes

He's somewhat important Start of the season was incredible Obviously Ricky Wall Beat the shit out of him Yeah he has He has a broken leg Because of that rookie wall Yeah that rookie wall

He fucking nose cracks shoulder blades through the wall. It's a brutal. The wall has hands too. It's a tragedy. They're bloodied him up. It's still about being him though. Calkburner is a good start to the year.

You said Yonik. Mala Wash has been like registered essentially playing a little more now. Yeah, he's been good too. No, Yang Hansen love? Putting it down, man. I'm okay.

I think my pick would be Yonik. Well, I'm okay with, I'm okay with Queen just because even though it was a long time ago. The highs were really high with Derek. It's a queen. Maxime Raynard. Ooh.

If I want a nice. There's the first time I've said the name on this show. We're still going Derek Queen at center. But shout out Maxine andod. I want a nice, what? Nine and six. It's tough. I can get that from right now.

A couple blocks. You're going to get a yell here and there. Yeah. Yeah. Just like that. Just like that. Let me hear one more time. Camera on you.

Oh. Oh One of my favorite these things in basketball I hate him, bro. Apollo does it the most Whenever he thinks he's getting fouled He wants a call. He just,

Ah, everybody does it really. I don't need him. Mello do that shit a lot. Anthony Edwards, he makes a point how he refuses to flop. Yeah. Doesn't get his,

doesn't get his foul. Immediately screams at the rest. Yes, and it's not even like, ah, it's like a fuck you, give me the foul. That's so shit. It's targeted.

He gets all these texts and just screams at people's faces. I'm sorry, it's ethical. Don't flop. Last thing we're going to do today Like other people We are going to play NBA Who Am I

We all have our headsets Put them on this time With NBA coaches You all have two coaches next to you Let me cover up the camera So you guys can't see who you have Be Solzni switch to the quad cam Okay so we're going to switch to it

We are going to view this picture of Medi-Pol So we can't cheat I'm scared why is that scared because he's dark no no

never that so you guys should have a couple of these by your fuck what are these noises got calamity over there okay yours is good

bro my head is too big lame and most probably not alone are you good nope nope nope you're not in the slit feel the slit with your finger first no put it in the slit

okay all right there you go it's in the slit you've entered you're all good NBA who am I head coach's edition take turns like we did last time

one by one I'll go first is my coach currently in the league yes yes is my NBA coach white no no damn Okay.

Is my NBA coach buff? No. No? Emphatically? Not emphatically, just no. Is my NBA coach bad built for his age? No. Oh, he's fit?

Yes. Yeah. Okay. Do you think my NBA coach could hoop today? Yeah. Like just casually? Would he give you buckets? Mo?

Yeah, you would. I think so. I've seen a video, yes. He'd fuck you up? Sure. What would the final score be? One on one. One and two.

To 12. To 12. 12, it'll probably be like 12 to 6. Okay, so you get some buckets on them. Yeah. Are you bigger than him? Me personally? I think you are.

I think I might be slightly bigger than him. You're slightly bigger, okay. Is my coach funny? Yes. Yes. Yes? Yeah. Is my coach hilarious?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Not that big. Mo's bigger. Actually, no, we're like the same size. That's kind of crazy. Same size as Mo.

hilarious and can hoop not white is my coach smart yes he's respected for being smart yes yes how many coaches are hilarious and really smart like Greg Popovich but none of the hooping stuff applies to Greg Eric's bullshit

nope no not a bad guess do you think my NBA coach can dress well no no no he doesn't give a fuck about that shit at all I guarantee you no oh he just destroy hoops he'd get offended if he talked to him about it

He get offended? Chris Finch, he's always offended. No, I forgot you said he's not white. Chris Finch be crying, my bad. He'll get offended, but you're asking him about shirts. Yeah, probably. He probably wanted to throw hands for him. Throw hands?

Yeah. All right, who are these violent coaches? Oh, that's, hey, man. Do I have Jason kid? No, you're mad, bro. You, with what you just said, you're close. Fuck. Do I have Joe Missoula?

Yes. Oh my God. Jason, dude. You know, you're a cheek, man. Guy sucks. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I'm up all. You sucks.

Fuck, man. Guys, a piece of shit. I should never jump as soon as you said he's hilarious. Okay. It's my turn. You double down on the funny. No. How many coaches are truly hilarious?

Okay. I have 20 questions against my player. Is my... Say again? You have many questions you need. Okay. Great. I love that.

Is my player? Coach? Or is my coach funny? Is he funny? When he wants to be? Is he like, you think he could walk into the room and like make us laugh? No. Us.

No? He's not walking into the, his, his comedy is, is a little bit more like counterpunching. He's not like an overtly funny guy. Yeah. Will he make us laugh? I don't know. Donovan Mike Layes. Okay. So maybe he's like, but he wouldn't be crappy jokes.

Okay. Why is he done that all? Donovan Glave? Oh, okay. Who do you, who do you like look up to in a league, Donovan as a coach? As a man. I don't know. At this point.

Jamal Mosley? No, no. What the fuck? Jamal Mosley? I don't know. Mike Brown? I don't know. Jamal Mozy going to make Donovan laughing giggle.

Okay. He can't just. Lapping giggle. Kicking his feet up with Jamal. This is crazy. What are these coaches do you see as a parental figure? Okay. Has my coach been with his team for more than two years?

Yes. Okay. I'm trying to figure out like, what's the gauge? It's a gauge here. I thought he was in a big number. Yeah, no. Two. Yeah.

Two years. Okay. Because a lot of coaches are fucking fresh as hell, right? Yes. A lot of hired this past year. Okay. Does my coach have long hair? No.

Long hair. Okay. No long hair. Fuck. Does my coach have a playing career? Yes. Either in college or an NBA. He does.

Yes. Okay. Well known. Ooh. Okay. I don't even know if that actually hoped or not. Well known. Well known player coach.

Okay. Has my player or has my coach? Has my coach won a championship within the last five years? Yes. Yes. I narrows it down. Joe Mozilla won a championship. And he was also played.

He paid in college too. Who else? I don't know if I call him Joe Mozilla's playing career well known. Listen, man. If you like me, you know. Okay. Ball knower. This got to be Steve Kerr.

This is Steve Kerr. Correct. Wow. Wow. Okay. Great. Bro, he would make you laughing, giggle. I never said that. Yeah, you can't hang around me no more. I never said that. I'm looking at so crazy, bro.

You're weird, bro. He just had the whole time. I've never said that. He did not at the whole time. Those are jokes from other people. I've never confirmed that. All right. Yeah, all right, buddy. It's not me.

I brought this. Hey, you got it. You got it. Show some other people. Okay. You're going based on the rumors. All right. All right.

All right. You got it. You got it. All right. It's off you go. Wait, Dr. Casey.

Okay. Okay. Mm. Is it saying exposure? No. No. Yeah, I had a set play design.

All right. Is my player, is my coach? Uh, Is my coach darker than me? No. No. My coach.

I wish I could say that. That would be helpful. It's never helpful for me. All right. Did my coach play in the league? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Did he have a notable career? Not really. Dang. I don't know if you would have known about him if he didn't know he was a coach. Maybe you'd have heard the name, but you'd have forgot. Okay. Damn. was my coach on a championship team

I don't know as a player let me check I don't even know his career for real I think so I don't even know like every stop he made I'll check though yeah did he play for a championship team no okay wait he's like just around it no he never played for a championship team no rings wow okay it nicked him though he was he was close

no Larry's no Larry's he was he was close though He can't believe in teams before they won. Maybe he was the problem. Is my coach well liked by fans? No. No. No, actually. Nope.

That's actually a hell no. It's actually a fuck no. Interesting. A hateable coach with not a notable career, Doc Rivers? No, Doc Rivers is a pretty notable career. People know because he'd been around a little time. He was a good player, though. He let the league and assist.

We're not talking about that level of player. He was a good player. Wack as a player. Doc Rivers sucks the coach. We got discredit everything. We talked earlier. Them home stat keepers. Come on.

They were fixing them for Doc Rivers specifically. Fake assist. Okay. Has, does my coach have a, does my coach have a coach of the year? Did he go to year? No, right? No.

Well, I can't remember. Did he win? He might have. Did he win that year? He might have. I think he did actually. Oh, he might have. No, he hasn't.

He didn't win that year? No. No, he has not one coach of the year, confirmed. Not one coach of the year. Has my coach coached three NBA teams including this one? No. Like, NBA franchises? Yeah.

Like, as he head coached? No. No. No. No. Not three. Has he coached two teams? Yes, he has.

Okay. All right. Only two teams? Should be narrowed down. I know. I have all these questions. I need like a board where I can write out of people's names. Bizarreport.

Yeah. Has my coach won a championship with the team that he's coaching right now? Fuck no. Hell no. Tough. He probably won't. Tough. I guarantee you they won't.

Has my coach been there for five years? Nope. Hell no. Has you been there for two years? Yes. Yeah. Three years. No.

So he's real, real new. Did he make it to the public? last year. Yes. Okay. Honestly, you got everything you need now. Made it to the playoffs last year. My coach,

white? No. No. You asked it to be darker. You know, that's your first question? I know. And you said no. So like he could.

Oh, my bad, my bad. All right. So now white, black guy. Only been there for two years. Is he in the Eastern Conference? Nope. Now this should be lay up. Is this email?

Yes. Is he me? Yep. Yep. All right. Has this player, has this coach coached an MVP before? No. No, he is not.

Well, not in the year they want MVP. Not in the year they won't. Yeah, like he didn't coach an MVP season. Okay. Okay. Does this coach put it on? No. No.

No. No. Okay. Shit, I guess not. I don't think he's a bum, drip wise. But no one's ever put it on. ever pointed out. Okay, okay.

He's not known for it. Yeah. Is this coach known for being nerdy? Yes. Yes. Okay. Very. Nerd ass.

Slander his coach. Dork. Dork. Louser. He's going to look up and spit. Nerd. Could Moe push him in a locker? No.

Fuck no. Fuck no. Okay. Is there any coach Mo can push in the locker? Maybe Mark Dagnol? That's about it. Need coach. There's a couple, I think.

Billy Donovan, I could. He's like 6.5, isn't he? Billy Donovan's tall. But he's old, though. He'll do the reviews for sure. He pushed him in a lot. All right. Is this coach young?

Four of coach he's young, yes. Four of coach he's young. Yes. Okay, okay, okay. So has this coach, coach, three or more teams? Nope What the fuck He's laughing because of

His stomach Browd about a shit Oh you heard that shit too Fuck Has this coach Only coach one team Yes One team

And you got everything You got everything you need Already One team One team Who was only coach one team? Charles Lee No

That's not a bad guess though Those you guys Have a lot in common Aside of one Defotny feature I don't know about a lot What the They're only coach

One team Has this coach won a championship? No, fuck no. Hell no. Damn, all right. Might never. Might never. Slander.

Eastern Conference? Nope. West. Okay. True. West. That is the other one. Can't confirm?

Hold on a check real quick. That is the other one. Okay. I don't know his name. Is this the coach of the Spurs? No. Not Mitch Johnson. No.

Not a bad guess again. Not a bad guess. Sort of similar. Um, damn. Let's take a shot. No, it's not Mark Dagnol. He's coach an MVP. He was a first question.

He would have a champion. Oh. He's him. Hasn't coach a MVP. And Mokel put him in a locker. Mark Degl doesn't fit any of the descriptions. He said he's young, so it's not Chris Finch. Nope.

Nope. It's not E. He doesn't cry nearly as much as Chris Finch. Is it JJ Reddick? Yes, he said. There you go. Tough. Perfect.

Don't do another round? I'm down. We have another one out there. You guys should have a second name by you. Let's do it. All right. Close my eyes. Am I good?

Yeah. Look at that. Into the slit. Easy. Slit master. Slit master. Okay. Man, where is this slit?

Dude, you're bad at finding the slit. Come on, man. You're supposed to be an expert. Base off one. Your name, kinky souls. Okay, Mo, you can go first. Okay. Is my player or is my coach coaching a playoff team right now?

Nope. Nope. Damn. Kind of sad. Okay. Has my coach been in the league for more than 10 years? No. Like as a coach?

No. No. Oh, he's relatively new? Okay. Is my coach white? Nope. No. Ooh.

Is my coach having a very disappointing year? Yes. Oh, God, yes. Insanely. Insanely. Is he bald? Yes. What is he?

Look at me? Yeah, he's bald. Yeah, he's bald. Been bald. Been bald. I don't know if you try to hold on a little bit or it. Okay. Okay, okay.

Is my coach coaching in the Eastern Conference? Nope. Ooh. Okay, I was going, I was thinking Jamal Moseley. No, not Jamal Mosley. Okay, all that shit fits him. Okay, so disappointing season. I guess they're similar.

He's bald. and he coaches in the Western Conference. What are the disappointing teams in the West? Can't be the Grizzlies. Can't be the Finney sons or a playoff team also too. Can be Will Hardy. Hmm.

Is my coach, does he have a job right now? He's like actively coaching right now as he speak. No. There's two different questions. Did he get, is he actively coaching right now as you speak? He is not today standing on the sideline, but he does have a job right now. So he's not actually coaching right now.

He's not actually coaching. He's not actively coaching. A little bit of a distinction. but he does have a job. You got all you need. I ain't going on. Oh, he acts. Oh, fuck.

Okay. Damn. He's doing a great job at what he, whatever it is that he does. Yeah, whatever he decides to do today, I bet he'll do it well. Damn. Okay. So was he a former player? Yes.

Correct. He's killing. I'm not going to be able to do it. I don't know. know if I could do it, coach. Is that all? Former player, Western Conference. Disappointing year.

When I had disappointing year, and he's like not currently coaching as we speak. Yes. Okay, what are the teams there? There's the Pelicans. There's the Utah Jazz. He's on a blender. No, I am in a blender. Ask more questions about him.

Okay. Did I say, is he black? He is black. Yeah, that's all right. Yeah. already I said. All right. I said,

cool. Is he like, is he in shape? For a coach, yeah, he's probably in the upper half of being in shape. Upper half of being in shape

as a coach. Okay. Has he won a championship before? No. As a coach. Nope. No. He looks like he has a lot of curls.

Like on his hair? His ball, that said, no. Okay. Lifting. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Let's do need a little sum. Fuck. And he currently doesn't coach right now. Not today. Not today as you speak. Would he coach next year?

I don't know. Is he coaching today? No. Okay. Did he coach over the last two years? Yes. He's fresh on the job market. Damn.

You know, he has a job. Oh. He has a job. This is... He's not on the market. I was about to say this tis, but it's not to... No one's offering him a job today. No one's offering him a job today

They can't He has a job Oh fuck He has a job This Chauncey Billups This is Chauncey Billups Thank you Fuck man

He has a job technically Yeah He's not he's not at the unemployment line yet Okay Nice I'm Choncy Who

I'm gonna go All let me see Dispolter Yes Wow I'm called I told you I'm starting my

I'm starting my games With the play I'm crying Look how big his head is Yeah He can definitely play my dad. My strategy for this game.

I was going to ask you feel if you said no. I was going to ask if you was bald. If you said yes, I was going to say Mike Brown. Damn, okay. Mr. Stratman. Compi strats. Okay.

Compy strats. Okay. Is my NBA coach a nerd? No. No? Anti-nerd? Yeah. Is my NBA coach old school?

Yes. Yeah. As hell? As hell. OLD, the capitals, all letters? Yes. Stubborn. See all the way?

Yes, all the way. Is my coach white? No. No. Black and old school. Do you think my coach enjoys movies? Maybe.

Yeah. Maybe. Do you think he enjoys movies made after 2010? No. Yeah. I actually do. I don't know. I do.

I don't think that's a... You think he has an appreciation for the arts? I don't think you appreciate art. Yeah, like he's not ever going to be like a voter for the academy. But he probably like you fucking Christopher Nolan maybe maybe okay okay Much to think about there yeah I don't know what to think about with that who are the Nolan heads There are old old school black coaches interesting Who are the Nolan is he probably he probably sees what Christopher Nolan does and he's like he may not love like the movie

Like I really like the directing here like I know like he probably doesn't know who the fuck that is He doesn't know who the fuck that is I bet he doesn't know who that is is he's stupid Sometimes Notably There are some character flaws I'll say Character flaws Yes

Is he a terrible guy No No he's not a terrible guy You say character flaws Oh my gosh Yeah no But sometimes He's dumb sometimes

Yeah Dumb sometime Not all the time So this isn't one The worst coaches in the league He's dumb sometimes So he's had some moments Where he wasn't dumb

Yeah Absolutely Sure Some moments Some moments Did those moments Did those moments In the last 10 years

No No Those not dumb moments Yeah Yeah no Has he been smart in the last 10 years? Nope. No.

Not a majority of the time. Has he done a single smart thing in the last 10 years? He's done a couple. A couple. Maybe a single thing. Micro smart things, yeah. Yeah. Micro smart.

Anything that means. Damn, he's dumb in the macro sense. Yeah, because like everybody, like, you're on the job. You're going to do a smart thing every once in a while. Okay, so he's won a game. Yeah, but like for the most part. He got a job for a reason. Yeah.

For the most part, though, people are going to look at him and be like, he's got a job for a reason. Yeah. Yes. Is that reason that. he's smart? No. Okay, didn't think so. Has he coached LeBron James? No. No. Has he coached Steph Curry? No. No. Has he coached Luca? Nope. No. Mm-hmm. You would think he coached some bums with those questions. Has he coached Kevin Garnett? Yes. I think so. Do I hate this man?

With all your heart. Probably. Do you hate this man? Maybe. Do you hate this man? Do you respect this man? I respect. That's the only thing he has. You have to respect him. Is this one, Dr. Rivers? Yes, it is. It's Glenn. It's Glenn. All right, B. Solz, close us out. All right.

Is my NBA coach a crash out? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Your coach is an asshole.

Are these all active coaches? Doesn't got to be. Doesn't have to be. Okay. Does my coach have championships? Uh, no. As a coach? As a coach.

No. No. As my coach played. Yes. He did play in the league. Yeah. Okay. Asshole.

Okay. I backed you into a corner. Now you're going to assassinate some characters. I don't know if he would like call him an asshole. Be so specifically. But he is though. He falls under the shadow. Yeah, he's known for it.

I don't think I'm reaching honestly. No. For being an asshole. Okay. Uh, is his voice recognizable? Not really Not really Like not a Doc Rivers since

Yeah Not Tabito Okay I think Thompson is a nice guy I actually I don't know I never met him Can I ever know these days Has

This This coach a team to 60 wins I don't think so No No 60 wins is hard bro That is tough Has he coach

A team to a top four seed Yeah Yes A team to a top four seed? top four CDS. Is this coach old? Not really. Not in the grand scheme of coaches.

Not in the grand scheme. Is this coach an active coach? He is actively coaching today. Okay, he's an active coach. Okay. Okay. Asshole coaches today. I would say J.J. Reddick, but he was my last coach.

Yeah. Not DJ Redick. Joe Missoula was already taken off the board. Is this coach? is the best player on this coach's team under 25? Yes. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's not.

No, okay. Wait. That's a little miscap, though. You must have forgot to, no, he's not. The best player on the team, sure. Like, definitely he's not. Yeah, sure. But that's going to fuck you up, I think.

Definitively. Yeah, as of now, yeah. Well, I guess, right now in this waking moment. Well, that's a conference. Now we're getting into some complexities of the conversation. I know. What? Um, damn, okay.

Is the coaches team a top five seed right now? No, fuck no. Fuck no. Hell off. Are they tanking? Kind of. Yeah. Kind of.

Yeah. Is it Riccarla? I'm just darn out. Nope, not Rick Carlo. No. Not a bad guess. Kind of tanking. Kind of looks like him in the picture I'm looking at.

Rick Arlo? Yeah. What the fuck? You squint one eye? What team is kind of tanking? I guess Tyloo. It's not Thai Lu. No, it's not Tai Lu.

Okay. Damn, okay. Which conference? Western Conference. You asked us a question. Which conference? Okay, West, kind of tanking. Yes, there's only a few teams.

Yeah, they're definitively kind of tanking. There's some real shitters at the bottom that are no doubt tanking this team is kind of taking okay so it's not the kings because no it is they're not tanking they just suck is that the kings coach no the kings are tanking okay okay um

I'm blanking on the bad teams out the jazz definitely not the jazz nope there's only a few more who is at the bottom of the west damn man you're boxed I'm so boxed who's at the bottom but like thought they were going to be at the top and he's an asshole

dude I'm so box right now what are the teams if you start listing teams I'm blanking just ask characteristic traits and we'll you'll get there um is he funny fuck no fuck no so he's an asshole and not funny yeah yeah he's boring that's how a lot of him go yeah he's boring most assholes aren't that funny

Steve no you already got Steve Kerr there we go come all okay that's a name Warriors Mavs Jason Kidd Jason Kidd yes He's not funny at all. I don't think I've ever heard make a joke. It's shit funny about Jason Kidd.

Nothing's funny about Jason Kidd. It's so funny. His intense ass. And that is the end of this episode. If you're still here, comment your favorite thing about Jason Kidd and we'll see y'all next week.