The Dr. Josh Axe Show - The Toxin Nobody Checks For (It's in Your Clothes & Bed) | Alex Clark

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Starting point is 00:01:41 And news channels started saying that you're a little bit crazy for the smoothie recipe. I do something kind of crazy, which is every morning I make, I think it might be like a $60 smoothie. Wow. You have done so much for speaking out, especially against glyphosate, how it's lurking in so many different places that people wouldn't realize. Clothes and tampons. Those are saturated with chemicals and heavy metals. And microplastics. And microplastics.

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Starting point is 00:03:37 Today I have Alex Clark on the show. I'm a big fan of Alex. She has one of the world's top health and wellness podcast. Today we're going to talk about everything from her superfood smoothie recipe, which is, it was actually so popular and crazy that Fox News covered it. We're going to dive into the benefits of raw milk, of sauerkraut. We're going to talk about her daily health practices and really a lot more in terms of alternative and natural medicine. Alex, welcome the show.

Starting point is 00:04:04 Thank you so much for having me again. Yeah, but round two. Round two. I want to start off with this because I was on your show and you were on my show. This is maybe about a year and a half ago. And we're talking about smoothie recipes. I gave you a smoothie recipe. You took it to a whole other level and it went to such a, you know, a, a.

Starting point is 00:04:21 stratosphere that news channels started saying that you're a little bit crazy for the smoothie recipe. Yeah. So I do something kind of wacky, which is I do something kind of crazy, which is every morning I make, I think it might be like a $60 smoothie. Wow. And I know this is excessive, but hear me out. So what happened was, I blame you. And I blame you because you were talking about with my Hashimoto's, different foods that I should be eating and not eating. And so you kind of gave me some ideas for morning smoothie recipes. And so the bones of it that you gave me was some protein powder. And then you said to do goji berry powder and then beet powder. And so you gave me some of those things. And then I, oh, and pumpkin pie spice. Yeah. So I took that and then I added some stuff.

Starting point is 00:05:12 So my morning smoothie that has gone completely viral and Fox News has covered it because they think it's obscene is a scoop of strawberry protein powder from Taylor Duke's Wellness. a scoop of unflavored protein powder the Agent Nettor Holy Main collagen the Camu Camus vitamin C powder

Starting point is 00:05:33 pumpkin pie spice goji berry beet I do some I do some creatine I do some cowboy claustrum I do a avocado one avocado

Starting point is 00:05:49 and water I also do aloe vera juice because I've heard that aloeira juice is really good for Hashimoto's. And maybe you know why. I don't even know why. This is just something I heard. So I'm like, splash that in there. And then I do a little bit of lemon. And I do about a cup of frozen strawberries, some frozen peaches, frozen pineapple, and frozen cherries.

Starting point is 00:06:15 And I blend it all up. And it's like 55, 60 grams of protein. Wow, yeah. So some health practitioners tell me this is out of control. This is too much potions and powders. You don't need all of this. It's too much protein. You don't necessarily need to start your day with that much protein. I'd like your thoughts. Well, here's my first question for you is, how do you feel? Well, I feel fine. I think I definitely feel better than having nothing in the morning, which I was usually a skip the breakfast person. Because I'm filming. I've got to get to work. I have a million things going on. I don't have. I don't have. I don't have. have time in the morning to sit there and cook a steak. I mean, listen, I've, you know, we've hung out a few times together. I think you're the healthiest I've ever seen you. Well, thanks.

Starting point is 00:06:59 I mean, maybe it's because you have a wedding coming up and you've got the glow. But overall, I mean, you look out, I think the biggest thing there is, is listening to your body. If you feel like your body's responding well, I mean, that's, you know, that's the thing. Of course, and by the way, I don't have a problem with doing a lot of different things in a smoothie. I mean, because they're food. I mean, most of what you said to me is food.

Starting point is 00:07:18 Colostrum in a way as a food. a collagen powder, doing plant protein powder, doing goji berries, doing fruit. I mean, these are predominantly foods. I mean, the only thing that's really not considered maybe a food food is creatine, but creatine is found naturally in red meat and liver and heart tissue, right? So, so overall, it's just, you know, it's a lot of foods that I think all have a lot of benefits. But is it setting me up for some kind of crazy blood sugar crash? Well, I think that's the only thing that you'd have to be concerned with. Here's what I would say. Oh, I also do a scoop of glyphosate-free oats.

Starting point is 00:07:49 Yeah, I would say, you know, you could probably get away with because you have a fairly, with your body type, a fairly high metabolism. I mean, very similar to mine. So all that being said, you know, I think that. So there's two ways to find out. One, do blood work. You could do your fasting glucose, fasting insulin. And that'll tell you. I mean, that'll tell you pretty quick or where a continuous glucose monitor. So that's the fastest way. Really doing a CGM, a continuous glucose monitor, you would know really quickly. And I would say that smoothie, there's nothing wrong with it if you're working out around that time within an hour or two of doing that. Oh, I'm not doing that. Now, if you're not working out, it sounds probably like a little too much carbohydrates. But at the same time, you know, it's probably likely maybe around, I don't know, I'm ballparking here, 60 grams of carbs. And I would say if you are going to have it the best time to do its breakfast. So that's the only thing. And you might play with that.

Starting point is 00:08:45 Hey, what if I back down just the fruit a little bit? But outside of that, I think it sounds, you know, pretty excellent. I will take it. I will take it that I've got the Dr. Ack stamp of approval on this because it's so controversial. Now, I don't expect everybody to be able to spend that much on all these stupid potions and powders. And I know that's completely unrealistic. Listen, I have a disposable income. I'm not married yet.

Starting point is 00:09:05 I have no kids. And so this is just where I've chosen to spend my money and blow my money on this morning smoothie. But I think there's still plenty of benefits. You could do just a protein powder. you could do an avocado and a couple, you know, things of fresh fruit and still get a nice little protein smoothie before workout. And that's, you know, a fraction of the cost of what I'm doing. And that might change once I have kids and I got other mouths to feed, you know, we can't always be spending that much on a smoothie. So I understand. I just want to put that disclaimer out.

Starting point is 00:09:30 I know I'm going to get mean messages. Well, what I just want to let you know I'm proud of you because a lot of people, you know, I give them health advice and they don't do it. You did it and took it to another level. So bravo. That's what I have to say. One thing that I've really respected about you is you've been on the very front lines here of Maha, helping change things. I think you've got such an amazing heart and our friends like Courtney and, you know, Swan and Bonnie Harry and so many people in the movement, Dr. Will Cole. And this is something I've been honored to be a part of as well. But you have done so much for speaking out, especially against glyphosate. And one of the things I've heard you talk about on your show before is how it's lurking

Starting point is 00:10:04 in so many different places that people wouldn't realize. Talk to me a little about glyphosate, sort of what you've learned over the past year about it. And even some of the stuff you've been doing on the government front. Yeah. So let me start with this. In July of 2025, it was the very, very first time that I had heard that different chemical companies, they're foreign, by the way, were working to pass pesticide liability shields in different states across the country. A pesticide liability shield essentially would prevent citizens, farmers, families, children from suing foreign chemical companies if they are made sick or get cancer or two. what have you from their products.

Starting point is 00:10:44 I thought this was terrifying. It was completely un-American. It was protecting foreign companies over American citizens. I was very upset about it. And I went to Charlie Kirk and I said, we've got to do something about this. Because one thing about the Republican Party, which, you know, I'm openly conservative,

Starting point is 00:11:04 Turning Point USA houses my podcast. That's not a secret. I worked for Charlie Kirk for seven years. Republicans are captured by Big Ken. and big ag. Yeah. The Democrats are captured by pharma. And so what I mean when I say captured is that these different entities, lobbying groups,

Starting point is 00:11:22 companies, corporations are funding a lot of campaigns for these politicians. And so they're going to vote accordingly and be in lockstep to protect those companies. And Republicans, because, you know, we're all about the farmers and all of that, it's all kind of convoluted with, you know, the Farm Bureau and all of these different companies that are really just shields for people like Bayer and ChemChina. And Charlie had me on a show at the very end of August of 2025. This is like a couple weeks before his murder. And I was just saying this is the number one thing that we need to be looking at as conservatives and be weary of are these pesticide liability shields coming down the pipeline. And we've got to start sounding the alarms to people in Congress and saying,

Starting point is 00:12:11 we are not voting for you and going to keep you there if you are going to protect these companies. And he was in full agreement, was very concerned by this. Fast forward to January of this year of 2026. And we have the pesticide liability shields going crazy popping up in Tennessee, where you live, in Florida, in Kansas, a bunch of states. And so myself and Vonny Harri and Dr. Alexander Muniore. who is a toxicologist and Courtney Swan, all of us, we're all doing the best that we can to sound the alarms on this and, and we put out something, and we got so many signatures.

Starting point is 00:12:53 It was crazy saying we don't want this. And, but, you know, things didn't go the way we wanted, in terms of when it got to federal. Yeah, so in your state in Tennessee, we were able to kill it. We killed it in Florida. Florida was in particular really scary because what almost passed in Florida was going to be a shield that not only protected the chemical companies, if someone was made sick from their products, you wouldn't be able to sue them. It also was going

Starting point is 00:13:19 to prevent free speech. You would not be allowed to criticize ultra-processed food companies or chemical companies. So the Florida situation was really scary. And people are like, well, I was going nuts on this on social media. I was calling into Florida news radio shows, alerting Floridians about, do you understand how anti-free speech? This is in the red state to Florida. And they were like, well, why do you care? You don't live in Florida so this wouldn't affect you. That's where you're wrong. Because there's going to be a loophole there where basically they can say, oh, Dr. Ax, do you have listeners in Florida while you're criticizing sugar and ultra-processed food? Sorry, we're coming for you. You can't be talking about this. So it was going to

Starting point is 00:13:55 affect anyone who spoke out about, you know, these different ingredients or food products, which was really scary stuff. And that would have set a very, very dangerous precedent for the entire country. Because of course they were going to try it anywhere if they can pass it in Florida. So that being said, we really started speaking out about this. The White House was not very happy. There were a lot of very angry phone calls made in regards to me in particular. I mean, you guys got like semi-band from a period of time. We were getting banned from events, just told like, you know, for me in particular, because I work in politics, like she's never going be allowed to be involved in anything political ever again if she doesn't stop. And I said,

Starting point is 00:14:38 I'm not beholden to a political party. I am beholden to American families and my future children and their health. And this is what I'm worried about. So I don't really care if I piss off the current White House admin, the future White House admin. Like, this is the truth. And it's important to me, I will not be able to sleep at night if I don't speak out about this. Now, this did end up because we wouldn't shut up. It did end up with us getting invited to a roundtable meeting at the White House to meet with the president and basically everybody that's top in the admin from Susie Wiles to Caroline Levitt and Stephen Miller and, of course, Secretary Kennedy to kind of lay out what the problem was with how the current administration has handled glyphosate matters,

Starting point is 00:15:24 as well as the recent executive order that called Protecting Glyphosate a National Security issue. And, you know, people were very upset. I have never received so many angry messages from conservative voters as I did when that executive order went out. Yeah. And that's because the president and secretary Kennedy really campaigned in 2024 on we're going to look into, you know, lots of things, but pesticides were mentioned. That's right.

Starting point is 00:15:46 Yeah. And so a lot of these moms were outraged by this executive order. And I'll tell you why. It's because we do have a certain amount of control over what our kids eat or what, or what vaccines our kids will take, right? There's certain decisions as a parent that you can have a say in. When it comes to glyphosate exposure for your kids, there is nothing you can do, really,

Starting point is 00:16:10 to completely protect them from glyphosate. Let me say this is such a problem because glyphosate absolutely disrupts and harms your gut microbiome dramatically. There's a study that came out saying, I want to say it's like 52% of the microbes in your gut are disrupted. That's half of them. of your good guys are damaged by glyphosate. I mean, so it's really, really toxic.

Starting point is 00:16:32 Not only the gut microbiome, to the liver, to the kidneys, I mean, it's been associated with cancer. I mean, so it's really, really not, obviously, really unhealthy. Very. And by the way, people say, well, there's no proof that it's dangerous that causes cancer. If there's no proof that it's dangerous, why has there been over $16 billion, with a B, dollars in settlements?

Starting point is 00:16:54 That's right. Exactly. Exactly. Don't, what are you settling? If it's not a dangerous product, where's, what is this money for? What are all these cancer cases for? But that's what they'll say. They'll say, well, it's never been proven.

Starting point is 00:17:04 That's what they'll say. And what the government came out with is basically, they basically said, hey, we're giving you immunity. It reminds me of the Fauci thing. And Biden was like, hey, you've got to, like you, you, you were responsible for lying to the public, killing a lot of deaths and a number of things, but I'm going to give you immunity. And that's essentially what was. done by the government and Trump for the towards the these chem companies. Yeah. So there was a Supreme

Starting point is 00:17:30 Court case this spring called Monsanto versus Dernel. And essentially the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Monsanto Bayer. And so it is going it is going to be very difficult to sue them if you are harmed by their product, unfortunately. So we did lose that case. We protested at the Supreme Court. We rallied. We really tried to drum up a lot of media attention. But those but those companies are just so great at fudging science. By the way, all of the recent science that they do have that Monsanto has put out there, Bayer has put out there saying that, you know, there's no proof that our product causes harm. The science that they used was rescinded in November of 2025 because it came out that they had bought and paid for the scientists. So again, trust the science

Starting point is 00:18:16 that we paid for, you know, that we controlled, trust that science. But don't trust any other science. So the White House did hear us out. They wanted to know why. we were so upset. We laid out all the facts. And essentially, we told them we're not asking for glyphosate to be banned in the United States. We understand that you would have a complete food supply collapse overnight because so much of our crop, so many of our crops are reliant on this chemical to farm. This is really a multi-year, probably $12 trillion dollar process of helping American farmers transition over to regenerative farming, which would be ideal. It's not an overnight thing.

Starting point is 00:18:57 It's got to be baby steps slowly over time. That being said, there are certain things that we could be doing in America that would still make these products at least a little bit safer for American usage. For example, Roundup in Europe has completely different ingredients than Roundup in America. Would I say that you should use it at all? No, I would not. Just like I would not say that you should eat fruit loops just because it's the European fruit loops that are diet-free. I still don't recommend fruit loops, but the point is some

Starting point is 00:19:26 people are going to use it, right? And so Americans should have the same standard as everybody else in the world. And for some reason, of course, these companies cut corners on Americans, but they abide by these rules for everybody else. And so, you know, one suggestion we had was for the, for the Trump admin to come out with an executive order saying, we will say that, you know, round up in the United States has to have the same ingredients as elsewhere. Another one was, you know, focusing on regenerative farming, ending pre-harvest desiccation. We're like extra spraying our crops with glyphosate in the United States that other countries are not doing, which is unnecessary. That's just more glyphosate exposure. We said, let's just make this announcement. This will be a nice olive branch to the people that are

Starting point is 00:20:04 upset about the original executive order, right? Well, they did come out recently with an executive order essentially saying there's going to be help for farmers that do want to transition to regenerative farming. That's about it. I'm very interested to see how this plays out in. the midterms. So just, you know, as a conservative who works for Turning Point USA, very, very supportive of the maha movement, heavily into the maha movement. My audience on my show is mostly Maha moms. And my warning was, if we botch the pesticide stuff, beware of how these women vote in the midterms, if they vote at all. And what I've heard is a lot of women saying, I'm not even sure that I'm going to be voting because I'm so upset. Not that they'll vote blue, but they're just like,

Starting point is 00:20:47 I'm not voting at all. And so that's what my conservative. So it'll be really interesting to see how that plays out. But, you know, as far as places that glyphosate can hide that a lot of people don't think about, clothes and tampons, you know, when you're using a feminine product in the most absorbent area of the body, those are saturated with chemicals and heavy metals. and microplastics. And microplastics, if you are not using organic cotton, what do you think that cotton tampon is sprayed with? So that's all really important to know. And your vagina is more absorbent than your mouth. And a lot of people don't realize that. Another thing is clothing.

Starting point is 00:21:31 So when it comes to clothing, we have not updated our chemical clothing laws and the chemicals that are allowed in our clothes since the 1940s in America. I believe the only thing that's not allowed in clothing is lead. But if you're ordering clothes from Sheehan or Amazon, who knows where some of the stuff is coming from, they did a big test on baby clothes from Sheehan. They were filled with lead. Sox in America have BPA in them. It's astronomical. We have this label that we find on food ingredients that has every single thing that's in your food. We should have the same thing for our shirts.

Starting point is 00:22:09 Your skin is an absorbent organ of the body as well. So whatever is sitting on your skin, that's being absorbed, the underwear that you're wearing, you know, whatever's on that's being absorbed. So it's very important. Obviously, if you can only afford just cotton, not necessarily GOTS, 100% organic cotton, which would be ideal. Cotton is still better than polyester plastic. That's also contributing to hormone disrupting, you know, endocrine disruptors and all of that going on. So if you can do 100% organic cotton, that would be ideal. But it's sad. this is how we used to dress. Everybody used to wear these natural fibers. And then we started to melt down plastic and make clothing.

Starting point is 00:22:50 Yeah. I mean, that's essentially what polyester is. And I don't think people realize that. Yeah, it's plastic. And if you're using those giant throw blankets that women love, they're super viral on Instagram, that influencers are always promoting, that have all the fur on them,

Starting point is 00:23:04 if you look at those, they're 100% polyester. Now, what do you think happens to those little fuzzes? These are microplastics and nanoplastics that are spread all over your home in the air. You're breathing it in. Your pets are breathing it. Your babies are breathing it. And you're just covering your body in it. And, you know, it's a blanket.

Starting point is 00:23:22 So your body is warm and heating it up and is being absorbed. So to think that this stuff isn't adding to our toxin load would be ignorant. Now, people will say, I have a 99-year-old grandma. She's worn polyester all her life. Okay. of course. But if all, when you are taking into consideration all of the exposure of all of the chemicals and unnatural things that, that, you know, we touch and eat and drink and absorb on a day-to-day basis, that stuff is all adding up to be harmful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I absolutely

Starting point is 00:23:57 agree. You know, I think when I look at the original, I mean, it's people wearing mostly wool. And then along with that, you know, after that cotton. So I mean, I think that that's where people should be, I mean, I actually switch to wearing almost all wool all the time. I mean, there's a few things I have that don't that are more cotton, but for the most part, it's wool. Well, remember when people used to talk about moth balls, like you would open a cedar chest of wool sputters and you would smell like this mothball smell. Nobody talks about that anymore because the bugs don't want to eat the cancer clothing. So you don't never hear about moths eating clothes. It doesn't happen because we're not wearing natural fibers.

Starting point is 00:24:35 And I think that's like a huge sign. You know, if you're eating things that animals or bugs or whatever, like, I wouldn't touch that or like mold doesn't grow on it. Like, you know what you mean? Like you have a loaf of bread on your counter for a month straight and like there's no mold. It's not real food. Yeah, real food, real clothing. This stuff goes bad or, or, you know, animals want to eat it or bugs want it. Like if nothing is being touched, you have to wonder what is this I'm eating or putting on my body.

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Starting point is 00:26:35 She is all about milling your own flour because she says it's not necessarily that everybody is allergic to gluten. And it's not even necessarily the Glyphse, which is a good. But the reason so many people cannot eat conventional bread anymore or gluten anymore is really because of the types of flour that we use in America. What we do to flour to have it be shelf stable, the things that we're putting in it, things we're taking out of it, all of them. that is not ideal for the body. It's not the way that God intended us to eat bread. So she talks about how bread, the Bible says, it's supposed to be the bread of life. Like it's not supposed to be peasant food or something that nobody could have. It's supposed to be a very, very nutrient dense food item on your plate. And when she talked about the health benefits of milling your own flour,

Starting point is 00:27:24 everything from warts being healed to, yeah, she says there's a vitamin in freshly milled flour that you don't get elsewhere that usually when you have a war explosion, there's like a vitamin deficiency. Yeah, well, I mean, potassium is really high on that list. There's a number of other, you know. I don't, it's vitamin E or A, but I can't remember which one. Yeah, I mean, it's, well, I mean, they're both important for the immune system. I mean, vitamin A is actually the most, now this is more in third world countries, but it's

Starting point is 00:27:53 actually the vitamin that were most defamation. that we're most efficient in across the globe, along with vitamin D, and vitamin A is critical for immune health and skin health. So that would make sense. And this also reminds me of, you know, when I looked at, when you look at all the research on, you know, foods being sprayed with things like pesticides very early, a lot of foods are harvested sometimes one month or at least two weeks before they're

Starting point is 00:28:14 actually ripe. And what that does is, I mean, a lot of these foods only that last two weeks or month of ripening is when so many of the vitamins and minerals, and the anti-accents like polyphenols are coming to, are really developing. So a lot of these, and then you bring it home and you may not eat it for another week. So a lot of these foods by the time we're eating them are completely depleted. But that makes sense with flour too. I mean, a very similar thing where if you're, if you are milling it yourself there right then,

Starting point is 00:28:42 that that's when the nutritional bioavailability and the nutrients are going to be by far the highest. Yeah. And, you know, I think a lot of people hear that in milling my own flour. Like, oh, my word, I don't have time for this. They think of it like washing your clothes. with like a scrubber in the backyard, you know? And she says, no, it takes literal seconds. You just mill whatever you're going to need for that particular recipe.

Starting point is 00:29:02 So if you're making, I don't know, cookies, then you're just going to mill the amount of wheat berries that you need. And she's like, it takes like literally 10 seconds. It's just poop, there it is. There's your flour. And you just stick it in the recipe. She's like, it's not this intensive long process. But by doing that, you're just giving your body so many nutrients

Starting point is 00:29:17 that it's not getting from modern food and bread. So that was a mind-blowing episode. And then, you know, if you're interested in the clothing stuff that I just briefly talked about, I interviewed this girl, Hannah Dunning, which you have got to have on your show. Hannah is an activist on clean clothing. And the stats and the truth bombs that she drops about modern American clothing will have you, I mean, your mouth on your jaw on the floor, basically. Wow. And so that was a super viral episode that I did. And then, of course, like, I mean, one of the most controversial episodes I've ever done, and I have no idea how you feel about it, is I had Dr. Brian artists on to talk about the benefits of nicotine patches. I've got a strong opinion on it.

Starting point is 00:30:01 What's yours? So nicotine, and by the way, for me, this isn't like, like, this is a principle of, I'm sharing Chinese medicine. It's 3,000 years old. So nicotine, it, here's, let me just give this summary first. If you use a nicotine once a month in a small dose, that's fine. But if you're using it daily, it's creating heat. And it's actually in a similar way to THC. So if you look at hemp or cannabis, CBD is known in Chinese medicine as the yen.

Starting point is 00:30:29 So it's very cooling. It's moistening. It helps you sleep better. It calms inflammation. THC is sort of the opposite of that. It's the counterbalance to that. It's more yang energy. It's more going to drive heat in that way.

Starting point is 00:30:41 So if you're doing a lot of THC over time, the danger there is excess heat, especially in the liver. causing inflammation. Nicotine is the very same thing. It's a stimulant that's very driving and causing heat long term. It's going to drive your fluids, is my point. That's going to be the big problem there. Now, again, if you do that once a month and your diet's clean or even once a week in a small dose, your body's probably going to get away with it. But for people doing nicotine pouches, if they're doing it daily as a sort of natural, you know, like you'd use coffee or something like that, you're going to dry out your fluids over time. It's going to cause your skin to age more quickly. It's going to cause dehydration. So again, I think there's this, there's this quote,

Starting point is 00:31:23 and I use it for almost everything, is the dose determines the medicine or the poison. So I think nicotine done occasionally is not a problem for almost anybody. But I think doing it as a daily habit, I don't think it's healthy. Yeah, that's fascinating. He talked about just how it can help chronic pain issues. And he was talking about, by the way, the smallest dose. It was a patch that you wear on your skin. You can order on Amazon. You get like seven milligrams. And then you cut that seven milligrams into like three or four pieces. So it's like a sliver. I mean, it's very small. And he was saying long COVID symptoms that people struggle with or chronic joint pain, things like that. And I will say, I have received hundreds of messages since that episode came out

Starting point is 00:32:07 of members of my audience saying, like, for the first time, I don't have this. severe back pain or whatever, which is great. I'm happy for them. Now, I've been too chicken to try it. I want to say this, too, about that. You know how many people could take a steroid and be like, wow, I don't have this pain. I've had this pain in years. So my point is, I'm not worried about it for short-term use. I'm worried about it for just daily long-term use. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. So I haven't done it, but that's been a huge one, something shocking that I learned. And then recently I did this episode with my friend Amy McDalia, she's a health practitioner, and she says that we shouldn't be farting.

Starting point is 00:32:45 And that if you're passing gas, it's a sign that something is not right in your digestion and you've got some gut issues that needs to be worked out, that you've got leaky gut or something else going on. And so that was the first time I ever heard. I thought Tootin was good. I thought you got to have a meal and then walk around and then that's a sign of health. But she's saying the opposite. Yeah, well, really what's happening there is, is, you.

Starting point is 00:33:10 your body, if you're having gas, and you a degree bloating, there is, you don't have the right balance of microbes typically or enzymes to break down the food. And that's what's causing gas. Now, I'll say this. Let's say somebody is going from a low fiber diet to a higher fiber diet. Let's say the average person does 15 grams of fiber a day. That is way too low. That's not good at all. You want to be closer to 30 to 40. But when you're increasing your fiber dose, you are going have gas because your body over time is going to say, oh, I need, you're, you're eating more fiber now. Well, now I need to, you know, we need to change what's in this gut microbiome in order to better digest and break down this fiber in the future. The same as protein. Anybody knows it's ever in

Starting point is 00:33:55 their life switched to a higher protein diet knows they're going to have gas at first for the very same reason. Oh, we all have all this protein now. We need more of this certain type of bacteria and enzymes to break down these, this protein and amino acids. So here's what I, here's where I would agree with her. Here's where I would disagree. Let me say that first. It can be normal and healthy if you are changing your diet and making your diet better. However, it's not healthy if this is just a continuous long-term thing and you're dealing with gas and blood. So I agree with her. If you're dealing with a lot of that over time, your body doesn't either have the acidic, the proper pH in your gastrointestinal intestinal tract, or it's missing microbes, or you're not

Starting point is 00:34:38 producing enough enzymes, there likely is some sort of problem with that, that long term. Another fascinating thing that I learned recently in the last few weeks was cradle cap is not normal. That's not an anomaly. Like, it's not nothing. It is saying that there is some stuff going on, probably just that the baby has inherited from you and your mom and whatever is passed down in the toxin load bucket. But it is a sign of some sort of distrower. which I thought cradle cap just happens and that's just, I don't know, stuff that is gooped on the baby. I don't know anything. I've never had a kid yet. But that was crazy to learn. We had our oldest daughter had that. And Chelsea changed her diet to, I mean, I felt bad for her

Starting point is 00:35:24 because she pretty much changed her diet to beef and sweet potatoes or beef and rice and some steamed vegetables. And that's all she ate. Because when she ate other things, it would cause, you know, it would cause some gas or it would cause, you know, we had the cattle crows. By the way, topically for cradle cap, now you obviously don't want them to eat it under one years old, but Manuka honey topically fixes that faster than anything, anything else. If a parent is having that issue and you want to know the right thing to do topically, very, very effective. So what is it? Because I forget now. What is it that is going on that causes cradle cap? Yeah, so it's a fungal issue. And so it typically starts in the gut, right?

Starting point is 00:36:04 So I think, you know, doing everything you can to, I mean, the other thing we did is we did probiotics. internally. And it's so important for kids. I mean, this is another thing. I mean, this is something I've seen just chronically over the years is so many kids today have gut issues, which is causing food sensitivity. I mean, food sensitivities now compared to 100 years ago are radical. Yeah. I mean, so many kids today, of course we know, and there's other reasons for this, but issues with, you know, with autism, with ADHD, with just kids having, you know, autoimmune. conditions even. Exima. Exima is chronic and serious for so many.

Starting point is 00:36:43 And this is where personalized medicine is really important in figuring out and finding a practitioner that can really work with families and kids to find out exactly what the root is. And typically, you need to change the internal environment, right? So one thing that this was maybe the most surprising thing to me when I first started practice, this was nearly 20 years ago. Is that, you know, what you're taught in school, what a lot of leaders did for a long time, and this still happens predominantly, it's only, it's

Starting point is 00:37:08 always in conventional medicine. First off, they don't even think diet helps that much. In functional medicine, some doctors will still say things like, oh, every patient that comes in, I'm going to put them on keto, or carnivore, or vegan, or just gluten-free, what I found is, no, everybody is unique, and we need to customize something for them. So, like, if I have a child, typically a child with eczema, in Chinese medicine, we would call that damp heat. And so we need to reduce, and so, like, bananas are very dampening. Eggs are very dampening. Sugar in general. very dampening. So like dried fruit, that would be problematic. And so, and then you want to do things that are a little bit drying. Now, of course, kids don't like this, but bitter foods would be the

Starting point is 00:37:47 best thing they can do. You know, if you could do some steam veggies that are a little bit bitter, like broccoli rabe or, um, uh, anyway, there's a number. There aretichokes and that sort of thing. So, I mean, those are hard for it. But my point is, is that there are things that will clear out and change that internal environment that'll then help clear up the exoma. But you got to be, I mean, again, it takes a level of being pretty dill. I mean, again, it takes a level of being pretty diligent there. By the way, I remember before we were about to start recording here. So you're very close to getting married. You guys have already been having discussions about your kids. And did I hear something like you guys are not going to feed your kids, like, you know,

Starting point is 00:38:24 a specific type of produce for their first two years of life? Yeah. So my fiance and I have an idea, and I know that once you become a parent, things change and you go in with these great goals and then, you know, life happens, which is totally fine. But this is. just an idea that we have, you know, as something we would like to try to adhere to as much as we can, which is not giving our kids fruit for the first two years of life. The reason is, and this is his belief, so he has put this into my head and I'm like, I mean, I'm down to try, is he really thinks focusing on, you know, substantive food like bone marrow and meat and veggies and things like that or fermented foods like sauerkraut, pickled onions, whatever, it would be better to start a kid

Starting point is 00:39:14 liver. It would be better to start a kid on those foods and set their palate up than adding in sweetness, even natural sugar. And he kind of has the same mentality even around music. He's like, you know, for the first few years of your kid's life, like if you were only exposing them to the greats, you know, of classical music and beautiful, you know, instrumental classical songs, like you're setting up, you know, their taste for music to without adding in all this junk, you know, JoJo Siwa, whatever. He's like, you honestly are creating what their palate will be for foods, for music, for entertainment, all of those things. And so he's like, if we can avoid fruit for the first two years, then introduce it in, it's just even though it's natural sugar, you're getting your kid to just prefer the sweet type of sugary foods over the more bitter, fermented, types of. things, what are your thoughts on that? Well, one I would share, first off, I think from a philosophical

Starting point is 00:40:10 standpoint, there's a, there's a lot of wisdom there. Now, I'm not going to totally agree with it, but I will say, I think there's a lot of wisdom. Because here's what I found as a parent. So I have a two-year-old and a six-year-old, and then I've taken care of just thousands of kids in my practice over the years. And there is no doubt that what they eat when they're one and two years old, they tend to like later on in life. Like, our kids right now, like, they will sit down there. And before they're like anything else, they are pounding zucchini and carrot. and broccoli like you've never seen. I'm like, honestly, my daughter started having stomach cramps at night because she ate way too many, way too many raw vegetables that we would steam. And I'm like,

Starting point is 00:40:46 hey, we need to, you know, back down because this specific type of fiber is causing you to have some stomach pain. And so we absolutely see that. Like our kids, they love salmon. They love grass-fed beef. They love fruits, you know, too. But they love these foods. And they also love sour food. sit there and sometimes eat a lemon. And you're like, just because they started doing that when they were, you know, or just after one years old. So he's like, let's do liver patte. Let's do oysters and bone marrow before we do, you know, grapes and bananas. Let me say this. I generally agree with that part of things. I mean, I want to say the first foods for our daughters were things like carrots and green beans. And then we did, I even think egg yolk. We did salmon. You know, we did avocado very, very early.

Starting point is 00:41:31 That might have been the first. That was up there with carrots and green beans. So, you know, and we do it. We do a mono diet. We start with one at a time for quite a few months and then add a second, you know, every maybe three days or week or something like that. So we had a protocol there. By the way, we even expose our kids to peanuts early on so they wouldn't have these allergies because a lot of this stuff acts as natural immunization over time. That way they don't have allergies. They're actually pets you can get for that. I would say this, you know, and this is a little bit of a ancient Asian perspective. I would want to expose them to all five flavors and have them crave all five flavors. You want them to crave the umami. So even to your point, I mean, liver patte,

Starting point is 00:42:08 of course, is going to be in that, that, that, that realm. Certain types of milk are going to be in that realm. Like kefer and stuff. Yep, exactly. So, so I think, I think you're covered there, the sour, of course. Now, you can get that from pickled foods to your point, like sour krao. You want them to do the salty, of course, that's, they're going to naturally get that everywhere. And then you want them to do a little bit of the, you know, the, you know, some savory foods and you also want them to do, or bitter. And then you want them to do a little bit of sweet. Now, of course, they can get a little bit of sweet from beats and from carrots. There is a little bit of natural-curring sugar in breast milk as well.

Starting point is 00:42:45 So, you know, I would say that, listen, that's going to be better than what 90% of people do with their kids. Yeah. No, I like that idea about all five flavors. I think he'd like it too. He's a big fan of yours. If you say it, he'll be like, I'm on board. But I think if you do it, yeah, introduce those fruits wisely. I mean, I think generally speaking, some of the easiest to digest.

Starting point is 00:43:02 I mean, blueberries, of course, would be just a natural. sort of great food because you're getting sour and sweet and high polyphenol intake, which is great for the gut microbiome. So I think you could, you know, sprinkle on a few there. He also said, in all of life, our kids will never be allowed to have pouch things. No pouches sucking on yogurt and applesauce and all this. I guess because he thinks there's tons of sugar just sitting on your teeth. Well, let me say this. So two things here. And I've discovered this even with our, The reason why I'm a little bit conscious of food packs as well, there's plastic. And even if it's BPA-free, there's quite a bit of plastic there. But yeah, I mean, I do think it is higher in concentrated sugar. I mean, I would prefer a whole piece of fruit to a food pack in most cases. It's crazy, even like mashed banana baby food and stuff, like in a jar at the store, how much sugar's in it. There's all kinds of sugar in this stuff.

Starting point is 00:43:54 Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is why just mashing up the fruit yourself, I think there's an element of it still being better. And so the other thing that I think I'm conscious of that I'm seeing is dried fruit. Because like, you know, if you're buying dried strawberries and other things, they're a big cause of cavity because they stick to your teeth. Eating fresh strawberry is amazing. Do it all day, you know, but some of the dried fruit that's fully dried, you're seeing it stick to teeth. And I think this is a reason why it's increasing calories. Now, no, I do want to say this. It's way better than feeding them. them fast food or conventional fruit juice or eating lucky charms, right? I mean, conventional cereal. So do dried fruit before that. But overall, I do think if you're doing all the time in high amounts and not doing the fresh stuff, it's not quite as ideal as doing the fresh. Yeah, I'm into it. Hey, I want to ask you for a favor. And you may know this. You may not know this.

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Starting point is 00:46:29 Oh, yeah, it does. You'll see me and I'll be like, look at all of our applesauce pouches, you know, so I'm fully aware of that. I mean, all my friends have like five plus kids. All my best friends have very large families. I know all the goals you go into it and then how you change your mind. So we're not, we're not too proud to, you know, admit, like, of course, that that can happen. Yeah. What is the thing that you've implemented in your life that you feel like has had the most profound and positive impact on your own health? I think a couple things.

Starting point is 00:47:05 One, really making a conscious effort to read more than scroll. Wow. And I am totally addicted to Twitter. So that is a really big thing for me. I love to read, but you can just get in this trap.

Starting point is 00:47:25 And I mean, that's what algorithm, algorithm is for it sucks you in and you like can't set it down. Sometimes I have to put my phone on do not disturb so that those notifications are not popping up and I can set it down and I can read and man I feel so much better, more productive, even if it's just a fiction book, okay, by reading, then scrolling. So that's one thing. Another thing I would say is changing out my betting to be all natural fibers has been so impactful. There is a reason why, We used to say phrases like healing linens when we talked about like hospitals. We would say like we need to put healing linens on.

Starting point is 00:48:03 There is power in natural, true, you know, linen and cotton to really heal the sick. And I think that I have the best sleep of my life sleeping on all natural bedding. It's just made it. It's made a big difference, I think, than having like a polyester down comforter or something. I'm just like you're saying. I mean, one, the mattress you sleep on is incredibly important. And the sheets are too. I mean, think about this is like eight hours, you're rubbing against this thing, you're laying on something.

Starting point is 00:48:29 I just had Gary Breck on my podcast, and we talked about this for a while. It's something like 98% of mattresses are covered in flame retardant material. I mean, that's a whole other topic that I think is, you know, kind of interesting. No, it totally is. So that's something I haven't done yet. That's on my to-do list once we get married because I want him to come pick out of bed with me. So I'm like, let's go pick together. But we'll probably get something from avocado or something like that.

Starting point is 00:48:55 Yeah, that's a great burden. So that's one thing. And then another is natural light, you know, in the morning. Yes. As much as I can help it, you know, take my dog for a walk. Getting out within 30 minutes or so of waking up has been, that has been exponentially life-changing. Just the way I feel, I feel like I'm crazy, but I just feel like it also helps with,

Starting point is 00:49:20 like, curbing cravings. Yeah. Am I nuts? No, no, I think, listen, it's balancing core. I mean, cortisol as a hormone is going to impact insulin maybe more than any other hormone in terms of and then impact your hunger hormone. So no, I think that's absolutely accurate. Better sleep at night. And then, I mean, full disclosure, shout out. They do sponsor my show. But I'm obsessed, obsessed with my Jasper Air Purifier. And we have four. We had, so in January, we, this happened in Nashville. We had an ice storm and lost power for four days. I had all the, all the things. stripping, everything went back to our house, turn the heat on, went back the next day,

Starting point is 00:50:00 and whole house flooded. And we had just remodeled it and moved in six weeks before. Oh, my gosh. I'd be freaking out about the mold. Oh, yeah. So we were, so we had people there, and we, I literally have, I might have eight jaspers in my house going all the time. Yeah. And we had other big heavy, heavy ones going a whole time too. So I mean, we were very obsessed about not having mold, but to your point. That's a, what a great product. Such a great product and I won't travel without it. So now if it's one night, I'm not worried about it.

Starting point is 00:50:33 But if I am going to be somewhere for a couple nights, I will have a Jasper either mailed or sent to the hotel. And then I leave it there and I gift it. I tell the hotel, hey, this is like a really life-changing product. Everybody deserves clean air. I'm gifting it to you. If you want to take it home or if you want to have it available for people when they check into the hotel, do that. but I just, you know, call myself the airy godmother. So I do that.

Starting point is 00:50:59 Or I check it, you know, when I'm flying and then I bring it. But like if you're going to be staying, you know, on a family vacation for a week, Airbnb, people in my audience do the same thing. They're like, oh, we pack the Jasper in the car with all of our other stuff and our groceries and everything to go to Florida. Like, when you do not have that fresh, clean air, you notice it. Yeah. But I sleep so much better. I love that my house doesn't have a smell.

Starting point is 00:51:24 unless I'm lighting my primarily pure, you know, natural candles, non-toxic candles. That's the only smell. Like, my team has to come to my place and do social media content with me. I'm always like, what does it smell like in here? Because does my house have a smell? Because growing up, like, I would always know, like, that friend of mine, like her, I know what her family's house smells like. It's like weird. Because all the chemicals that you're using and whatever, furniture off gassing and all that cleaning products. And, you know, with a Jasper, like, your house doesn't have a smell. Unless you're lighting a candle, it smells like nothing. And that is honestly ideal. That's what everybody is. should be striving for. We have been conditioned by cleaning companies that your house isn't clean

Starting point is 00:51:59 if it doesn't have a clean smell. That's synthetic fragrance. That's not, that is nothing to do with being clean. You can get just as clean of a house with something that is completely fragrance-free, you know, whether that is Branch Basics or Molly Suds or I don't know, whatever you're using. I'm a Branch Basics freak, so that's what I'm using. But you, it's plant and mineral based. you can wash your produce with it and literally eat it. You're not going to get sick. If your kid, you know, obviously you don't want to just sit there and chug this stuff. But I'm just saying if your kid accidentally got a little bit in their mouth,

Starting point is 00:52:30 you don't have to call poison control, right? And what people don't realize is your cleaning products in your home, even capped. So let's say you go to Target, you buy branch basics, but you still have chlorox and bleach and all that under your sink capped. It is still off-gassing chemicals into your environment. So without having an air scrubber or whatever, I mean, that stuff is floating around. you're still breathing it in. And there are families where their kid has severe eczema issues.

Starting point is 00:52:57 They realize they've changed everything in the house, but they still had a box of old toxic cleaning products. They take the box out. They set it outside. They're like, we're just going to do an experiment. Let's put the cleaning products in the garage. Let's see what happens. Within days that kid's skin completely clears up.

Starting point is 00:53:11 Wow. You know, there are numerous studies on this. But on average, our indoor air is at least two times, if not five times more toxic than the outdoor air. So it's so funny, it's like, especially if you're in California, no offense to Californians in the summer. But you know, you go outside and you're like, oh, you know, or they have the things like, don't, you know, don't, you know, air quality alert, you know, in these areas. Well, your indoor air is like that all the time. It's not way worse. So overall, yeah, cleaning air is so important. You know what it reminds me of.

Starting point is 00:53:41 So when I was in college, this was when I was working on my, my doctor and I was probably a year before I went out and opened my practice in Nashville. I went and started doing blood work. In fact, one thing I did a couple of years before, in school, before I even opened my practice was, is I went into a clinic every week and I would do all the blood work there and go over all the nutrition consults and the blood work reviews. And I ended up doing blood work on myself. And I had a couple markers that were absolutely through the roof of toxins. And I'm like, what is going on here? And I finally, you know, was able to search online and find, okay, well, what is this exposure from? And it was from dishwashing detergent. So like I'd be in the kitchen and, you know, cooking food while,

Starting point is 00:54:24 you know, the dishwasher you smell the fumes coming out from the dishwasher. Well, at the time, I mean, I'd switch to a lot of natural things, but I was still using conventional dishwashing detergent. That dishwashing detergent was causing me to have incredibly high levels of toxicity, messing with my brain, causing low-grade brain. Yeah, I mean, so there are, so to your point, I mean, there are, these toxins can really, really damage your cells and body. And so really, going through your whole house. And by the way, it's not that expensive typically to switch over to a brand like, you know, branch basics and some of the others. It's literally cheaper. And what people don't realize is it's one product that does everything. Because, you know, they have their, it's called the concentrates orange. And you just, for different areas of your house. So windows, floors, all purpose spray for your countertops, whatever, bathroom cleaner. They just have you fill it with different amounts of water. So it's one product with water. Yeah, we've used the brand. It's excellent. So that's it. So it's like it's one product taking one space and you're saying, and it does everything and it's completely non-toxic. I use it as windshield wiper fluid.

Starting point is 00:55:23 You can use it for anything. Wash your car inside of your car. It reminds me of like, so also when I was in college, I had this Dr. Bronner's thing. And I want to say. Oh my gosh, he's a weirdo. That guy's a freak. Okay.

Starting point is 00:55:34 Well, well, I've never met him. I do know, though, that there was a product at the time and it was like, this might be overboard. But I did something like brush my tea with it, wash my hair with it. Like it was sort of one of those things that kind of had everything. The product is great. So don't freak out if you're using it. He's just a purse. Like, read the bottle. He's also like a furry. He's just a strange guy. He's a weird guy. There are some strange, especially the old school people that were in the natural health space. Oh, geez. There are, there's some strangers there. Okay. I want to ask you about this. How has getting blood work done? Because I've seen you post and talk about this. How is getting blood work done improved your health in life? Well, it just gives you a window to understand what's actually going on.

Starting point is 00:56:15 It's like, first of all, before I did that, the biggest mistake that I've ever made with my health, well, there's been many. One of the biggest mistakes I've ever made with my health was spending $1,200 a month on supplements before doing blood work. Yes. Wow. I was drinking herbs here, herbs this, herbs that. Who knows? Yeah, right. You're throwing stuff at the wall, seeing what sticks, and you have no idea what you actually need to spend money on. And so getting blood work done, testing, you know, 90 plus biomarkers, being able to see, okay, exactly where do I have problems, what needs fixing or what needs a little help here.

Starting point is 00:56:56 A lot of it you can get from a food. Yeah. You don't have to use a supplement either. You can just change some of your diet. You need a little bit more of this vitamin. You need to eat a little bit more of this. You know, you're all about that. It is so helpful.

Starting point is 00:57:07 and I think a money saver to spend a little bit of money on blood work versus hundreds, even thousands on supplements. I think we are too, we're too reliant on supplements in America. It's just too much. It's like overboard. I can't stand it. And so that was a huge thing for me.

Starting point is 00:57:23 Other mistakes I've made, you know, flu shot every year, fully vaxed, birth control for almost a decade, ultra-processed food exclusively almost my entire life until like five years ago. Yeah, there's been a lot. Yeah, I mean, you know, five years ago, you just had a toll, you know,

Starting point is 00:57:37 Epiphany and turnaround. It's pretty amazing. I just went through my pantry with a garbage bag, and I was just throwing everything out. This spice isn't organic. It's out of here. This spatula is plastic. It's out of here. I just had to do the whole overhaul. Because if I don't, I'm black and white. If I don't go all in, I'm not doing it. Yeah, you're an all in personality. Yeah, I've loved blood work is something I've done with every patient now almost because it's one of those things where it's test don't guess. Because if not, you're guessing on so many things and being able to pinpoint, oh, this is the thing I need is so valuable. And I have more and more people, you know, groups of people that maybe weren't focusing on blood work in the past that are doing it. I have a lot of women before they want to conceive or get pregnant.

Starting point is 00:58:16 They want to make, you know, they're doing blood work, especially knowing what certain nutrient levels are can prevent all the morning, you know, the morning sickness, the nausea. Of course, it's, you know, better health for the baby. And then really just every group can benefit from knowing what are my nutrient levels. Also, having it read from a functional medicine standpoint, not conventional, of looking at, hey, what are optimal levels, not what are average, is important. So anyways, I think it's been just so incredibly beneficial that more and more people are doing blood work. I think you want to do the right markers because a lot of these more traditional markers like LDL cholesterol. They're just not as helpful as the more advanced newer markers like APOB.

Starting point is 00:58:54 But anyways, all that being said, I agree. I think it's incredibly beneficial for so many people. Rapid fire. Okay. Okay. All right. butter or olive oil? Butter.

Starting point is 00:59:08 Well, okay. I have to say that. My fiance's sub snack is running on butter. Okay. Okay. Makes sense. All right. Raw milk or pasture raise eggs?

Starting point is 00:59:21 Oh, that is such a good one. I'm going to say raw milk because I have an egg allergy. But both are fantastic. All right. I agree. Air filter or water filter? I'm going to say air. and then I'm spending money on glass bottled water.

Starting point is 00:59:42 Okay. All right. Obsessed with Loonin, by the way. Oh, wait, can I just say this? I know it's supposed to be rapid fire. Have you heard about, and I'm not sponsored by them, have you heard of this company called Loonen? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:59:53 Okay, it's a glass bottled water company. They're brand new. But what's really cool, and I'm just like hype about it. First of all, it's like adorable packaging. It's like super chic, and so I'm obsessed. I'm like a sucker for a cute aesthetic. But this water has never touched plastic. Like even how they store everything,

Starting point is 01:00:08 tested for BPAs, heavy metals, there's no plastic exposure. It's like the cleanest water. So I love it. And, you know, even Mountain Valley, they're coming after Mountain Valley with heavy metals or something. I can't keep up. I still drink Mountain Valley too. But anyway, I just had to say that. So yeah, I'm obsessed with this Loon and Water brand. Even the Wall Street Journal just came out with the post yesterday at the time we're recording this and said like this is like this loonin water is blowing up. It's like the ultimate status symbol because it's like the cleanest water. Oh my gosh. All right. salmon or grass-fed beef?

Starting point is 01:00:40 Salmon. If I could eat one type of food for the rest of my life, it's seafood. I am a seafood freak, which I know you disagree with because I love my oysters and my muscles and all those things. Well, no, I agree with the salmon. In fact, if there's one perfect food, I think the healthiest food on the planet is Sakai Salmon or King Salmon. And I think it's the healthiest food on the planet.

Starting point is 01:01:01 Yeah, the muscle, shellfish, you know my stance on that from biblical diet, but overall, I like the salmon. It's grass-fired beef is great. But I love salmon. Well, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you for having me again. And you're going to be on my show, too. I can't wait.

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