The Eric Metaxas Show - #198 - Frank Gaffney / Matthew Thayer

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

Today On The Eric Metaxas Show, filmmaker Matthew Thayer joins Eric to discuss Can You Hear Me Now?, a new documentary featuring one of Charlie Kirk’s final interviews, recorded just two weeks before his assassination.Thayer explains why he asked Charlie about prophecy, Christian involvement in politics, and whether prophetic claims surrounding the 2020 election were misunderstood. Eric and Matthew discuss Charlie’s warning against Christian passivity, the controversy surrounding Trump and prophecy, hearing the voice of God, and the Church’s responsibility to engage the culture.Earlier, Frank Gaffney joins Eric to discuss his campaign against Sharia law in America. Later, Grace Precious Metals CEO Bill Armor discusses what he calls the “Everything Bubble” and current market valuations.⭐ ORDER NOW:Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World📕: https://a.co/d/0ir3NlapTODAY'S SPONSORS:🪙 Grace Precious Metals: https://www.metaxasmetals.com/🛏️ MyPillow — Save BIG with code ERIC: https://www.mypillow.com/☀️ Honest, fast, and free Medicare plan guidance: https://askchapter.com/metaxas/0:00 Frank Gaffney On The Campaign To Ban Sharia7:13 Religious Liberty And The Limits Of Sharia14:19 Gaffney Warns Republicans About Sharia20:04 One Of Charlie Kirk’s Final Interviews22:42 What Charlie Kirk Said About Prophecy25:09 Charlie’s Warning Against Christian Passivity27:20 Why The Film Began With The 2020 Prophecies28:47 Eric Revisits The 2020 Election34:03 Were The Trump Prophets Wrong?36:39 Can Christians Still Hear God?42:17 Bill Armor On The “Everything Bubble”- - -LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/@ericmetaxas#EricMetaxas #TheEricMetaxasShow #News #PoliticsChapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options.

Hey there, folks. It's now my joy and privilege to speak with my friend Frank Gaffney. He is officially the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy. And we're going to talk about something now. It's kind of a campaign to ban Sharia. Hip, hip, hooray, Frank Gaffney. Welcome. Thank you. Small adjustment, former founder and former president,

now just founder of the Center for Security Policy. actually I'm running a different group doing much the same thing. It's called the Institute for the American Future. And it's sponsoring this project, bansharia.com. And I'm super excited to talk to you. When you say bansharia.com, I know what you mean by that. But I want to ask you kind of this global question. How is it possible that in the United States of America,

we can have leaders who don't understand that having Sharia within our borders is fundamentally unconstitutional? It's kind of like saying, I'm going to have a house where we're going to rape children, but don't worry, it's just in our house. You'd say, well, no, your house is in America. We can't do that in America. We have a constitution. We have laws.

We can't have, you make your own laws. How is it possible, Frank? This is always my question. And I thought, maybe we can start here. How is it possible that leaders don't understand that the concept of Sharia law within the borders of the United States of America is a no-go? We can't do it. What am I missing, I guess? That's always my question. Well, you're not missing anything. What they're missing is that this is happening and that it is an absolute existential threat to everything we hold dear, starting with the Constitution and the freedoms from God that it guarantees. And shame on them for doing this. I've been warning about this for decades. And others have as well, Eric, and I think you have, too. This, our friend of ours, Bill Federer, has an apt analogy. He says, you know, it's as though

MS-13 said, you know, we execute people as part of a religious right. We marry off children, we traffic in slavery, we, you know, black people's genitals off if they're females. And it's You have to respect it because it's part of our religious practice. We'd say, no, that is demonic and it is part of your criminal practice and we're not going to have it, let alone that what they ultimately want to do is to replace our constitution. That's not on. That's called sedition. I'm of the view, Eric, that what we've got to be doing with these politicians and we happen to have a window in which to do it this week at the Republican midterm convention is to say to them, you must prevent these practices from being done by anybody, whether they are a drug gang,

or whether they are a death cult of some other kind, or whether they profess to be a religion. That is not legal, and we need the laws of the land. By the way, most of Sharia, which is, I call it a political, military legal strategy for conquest. most of it is derived not from the Quran but from the life of Muhammad, the so-called perfect man. And Eric, as you know, when you look at that life, you look at the things that he did, you look at the things that he not only practiced in his own right, but he told of his followers they have to do as well. It's almost all illegal under our existing laws. So just enforcing those laws would go a long way to stopping what is the threat that is now metastos.

So the question is, where's the problem? Is the problem Democratic politicians who simply don't care about our Constitution? Is that the issue? Is that why you're bringing up the midterm election that there are Democrats going along with this, the so-called red-green axis, that they realize that, you know, they don't really care about the Constitution or the country, but they can score some political points if they look the other way? I mean, is that? what we're dealing with? Who are we fighting here? Well, they think they can win is the point. They can get power. They can be elected by embracing these guys. But Eric, I mean, you're a historian. One of the things that we need

to really be cognizant of is that the Democratic Party has from its inception been the party of slavery. It has espoused it. It has enabled it. It has excused it. It has, in some cases, practiced it. And the point is that that wasn't just ancient history. That wasn't just the colonial period. That wasn't just, you know, fighting over, you know, all men actually being created equal. That wasn't even ended with the civil war. That was going on for another hundred years after that right through the Civil Rights Act of 1965 when Lyndon Johnson famously said, we're going to be using instead of the plantation the welfare state to essentially keep, he used the N-word, these folks eating out of our hands for another 200 years. In other words, this slavery that we are

contemplating coming at us next in the form of Marxism and jihadism or Sharia supremacism is just part of the DNA of the Democratic Party and many of its elected officials. The Republican Party, by contrast, as you know, was the party of freedom. It was born of the abolitionist movement that said, we don't want this slavery in our country and work tirelessly to try to get rid of it. Frederick Douglass being an exemplar of it and an early leader of that party, as was Abraham Lincoln. that ultimately is what we are anxious to see restored, is that brand of the party, and the choice therefore laid before the American people in these critical midterm elections

between freedom on the one hand and slavery. It must be freedom over slavery is the answer. And we need the Republican midterm convention to make that a party platform, a national party platform, even if there's not a national candidate, it has to be across the country. And if we do that, I believe, Eric, you will see the American people responding, turning out, voting for the party of freedom and against the party of slavery. I have to say that, you know, when this leads to a subject that is very close to my heart, it's called religious liberty, right? And we believe in religious liberty in America, but we have to understand what that means. We have to

define it. So you've been mentioning it really is this idea that I could say, listen, I believe in murdering and raping, and that's my religion. Well, immediately, the Constitution says, well, tough luck. You can't have a religion. Religious liberty only goes so far, just as free speech only goes so far. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. You know, you can't, we have to understand what liberty is, what it means. And so religious liberty. Liberty, I think is the operative word. Well, it seems to me that what we're talking about here is we're talking about radical Muslims who are political activists who are gaming the system.

They're playing a game. And they're saying that, you know, Americans are soft and we can get them on this. We can shove our wickedness down their throat. Let's just call it. religion and let's plead innocent, you know, when they say, you're trying to do, they're just trying to practice our religion.

Well, that's where we have to step in and say, no, you don't get to practice that part of your religion in the United States of America. You cannot have separate Sharia courts in America. There are certain things you can't consummate a marriage with a nine-year-old

in the United States of America. You can't do that in America. I mean, it's that simple, isn't it? I mean, I think, sometimes people get confused, but it's about that simple. I'd render it even simpler if I could. Part and parcel of this campaign, we call it the Save Texas, Save America campaign, sponsored by the bansharia.com coalition, is to say right out loud and right up front, Sharia is not a religion.

As I say, it's a strategy. for conquest. Yes, it's got a veneer of pietistic practice to it, Eric, but for all the reasons you've just gone through, it isn't a religion, and it can't be legally undertaken inside this country, starting with the idea that it will supplant our constitution. That's its express purpose, and everything is being organized and advanced for that end. And here's the thing. Once you strip away, the idea that somehow this is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution, then you simply, yes, use the federal and state courts of your country to prosecute people for engaging in practices that are not religious

and are, I think, actually, satanic and must be prohibited because if not they will be using all of those as instruments of oppression of our people. That's where I come back to this idea of slavery. And it's worst, there were, I'm told, something like four million black slaves. You've written the masterwork on this subject with amazing grace.

And the abolitionist movement ultimately freed them. But these guys have in mind enslaving 350 million of us, every man, woman, and child, and imposing upon us these kinds of horrors, whether it's, you know, forcing women to be covered or child marriage or, you know, gang rape or female genital mutilation or slavery, any of the things that Muhammad said, you must emulate as a faithful Muslim. It can't be allowed. And that's where we have to make it clear. There are Muslims who don't want to live under Sharia any more than we do. We're not talking about it. them. I'm fearful that, unfortunately, because the people who do believe that Muhammad is the

perfect man, the people who do believe that Sharia must be the order of the world, they have a word for those folks that we would call, I think as many of us, at least good Muslims. They don't think they're good Muslims. They think they're apostates. And apostasy, as you know, is another of the things that under Muhammad's rule was a capital offense. So by and large, they're not going to put their head above the parapet because they're afraid that it's going to be cut off. So we don't get the help from them that we need. We can recognize that they may be a subset of this larger population, but unless and until they're willing to stand against that larger population and help us prevent its takeover of our country, and destruction of our

country in the process. They're not going to be real reliable allies in this fight. They're just, you know, going to be part of the problem in a sense. Well, it's interesting because I think, again, we have to think about, you know, the meaning of everything. When we talk about truth or faith or whatever, we believe in liberty in this country, which means you can say and believe stupid, false things. You have the right in this country guaranteed by the Constitution that you can say stupid things and you can believe

stupid things. If you want to do that, you're free to do that. It doesn't mean that those things aren't false or stupid or wicked, but we have that kind of freedom. But once it leads to actions that are evil, once

it leads to things that break our law, then we have to say, well, wait a second, you know, you can believe that crazy stuff, But if you're putting it into action, now we have a problem. And that's really what we're talking about, Frank, right? Because, I mean, there are all kinds of people with all kinds of things in their heads. We can't legislate against that. People can espouse things that we disagree with and that we know are wrong, but they have the freedom to do that.

But once they put those things into action, once they try to implement those things, they're bumping up against, you know, that's a, Right. You can't, you cannot do those things in America. And I guess it's just a lack of political will that we don't push back on this, that we kind of was sort of willing to go along with this lie that, well, who's to say what's true or who's to. I mean, it really seems to me that that's kind of the issue. There was a time when we had a consensus about what's right and wrong. And now I think there are a lot of people that they want to pretend that we can live in a world where there is. is no right and wrong. There is no, we can just sort of let everybody do their own thing. And we're bumping up against that right here. You can't, you can't do that in America. Sorry, you can't do that. They're going to try. That's for sure. But the red-green dimensions of this are important to note as well, Eric. The Marxist partnering with these jihadis gives rise to that kind of moral equivalence or, you know, anything goes kind of attitude. But it's all for the purposes of taking down our society, our ordered liberty, as the founders put it.

And let me just tie this back in if I could to the Republicans, because you ask the question. The Democrats are now throwing in with these guys, the Marxists as well as the jihadists. I'm being told, Eric, that the Republican machine, the RNC, the White House, what have you, is not going to have any mention made of either. Sharia or maybe even communism in this convention. They don't want to talk about that. They don't want to do anything about it. And some are saying that the reason for that is they want to court the Muslim vote. Now that takes you beyond just the moral lassitude. That takes you to, I believe, complicity in the destruction of our country. And that must not stand. And I consider it to be an

absolute God thing, A, that there is this midterm convention. and B, that it's in the state of Texas, which, as you know, Eric, back in March, there were 1.9 million Texans who voted for a Proposition 10 on the Republican primary ballot that simply had five words to it. Texas should prohibit Sharia law. That's the largest expression of public sentiment on the issue ever. And this is a case where the Republican Party, is going to be in the heart of Texas, where that sentiment is very strong. And I'm going to be there. I'm hoping that you will be, but everybody who is will be pressing forcefully for the Republicans to make a stand, a stand based on their roots, a stand for freedom, a stand against slavery,

and make sure that everybody running on the Republican ballot will be appealing. not just to Republicans, of course, but to independence, and I think some Democrats as well, who don't want any part of slavery, not under the Marxists, not under the jihadists, not under the Democratic Party. They'll want freedom. If that choice is made clear, we must have that come out of this convention as I see it, sir. It's interesting. I think that there are so many people that don't really have a sense of history. They don't have a sense of the evil that Islam has done around the world. And so they kind of think it's some little private thing that people practice. They don't understand it. It's an ideology that does want to take over. That sounds incendiary.

It sounds hyperbolic. Unfortunately, it's not. And we're finally seeing it, Frank. You've been talking about this for years, but we're finally seeing it creeping into the mainstream. Can I mention two things just by way of reference, Eric? One is the secret plan of the Muslim Brotherhood. Google it at Center for Security Policy and explanatory memorandum. It was introduced into evidence by the federal government in the largest terrorism financing trial. It says that the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood is to destroy Western civilization from within by our hands as well as the believers. The other is this longer book, very, very compelling study that we did in 2010. You mentioned I've been at it a while.

2010, it's called Sharia the Threat to America. You can also get this as a downloadable free PDF at Center for Security Policy.org as you can, the explanatory memorandum. Take these aboard, folks, because frankly, we're making history right now. You're part of it. You're going to be impacted by the choices that are made. And we need you to be as informed as you could possibly be. You can learn a lot more about all of this and see some very illuminating

microdocumentaries, we call them at bansharia.com. We have to go right now, but the main website is bansharia.com. Yes, sir. Bansharia.com. Folks, get involved, bansharia.com. Frank Gaffney, thank you so much. God bless you, my friend. Thank you.

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I uh oh i'm all right i'm fine uh this is exciting a film about prophecy with an interview one of the last interviews of our friend charlie kirk so for people that you know i always assume that the people haven't watched every show that i've done uh so they didn't hear our last conversation so tell us uh tell us about the film yeah so uh just off the bat uh right now uh pre-orders are available for a next couple of days. It's going to be released on the 10th on Salem Now for a four-week window exclusive.

Then it'll go wide in October. But right now, if you go to can you hear me now film.com, that's can you hear me now film.com and pre-order the film, you get a free DVD, which is fantastic because DVDs you can actually hand to people. You can't really hand a digital copy. So the film, yeah, it, it, I interviewed Charlie Kirk, just kind of like one of those crazy God things two weeks to the minute before he was assassinated. And we were in the process of exploring, you know, modern prophecy, kind of around the prophetic fissure that happened in 2020 when everybody said that Trump was going to win. And then there were prophets that backed off of that pretty quickly once Biden was crowned victorious by the media. And then there were other prophets that

doubled down and said, well, no, actually, he did win. And this election was. fraudulent. So we were exploring that, reached out to Charlie's team because we knew that this was going to be coming out in an election year. And I've always, I mean, I was homeschooled. I've, I've learned all of the Christian heritage of our country. And so I was always very perplexed when I would meet Christians who didn't think that we had a seat at the table when it came to ruling our nation because we were actually the ones at the table when we created the nation. And so Christians, that being that is. And so I reached out to Charlie to talk to him about like the separation of church and state and this Christian nationalism moniker this being branded on people to

push them back into line. And he was always so eloquent about all of that. And then while we were there, I just talked to him. I said, hey, what do you think about prophecy? And he's like, oh, yeah, absolutely. I believe it. It's a gift. We need to always bounce it off of scripture. But he says, I've seen it work and transform lives. But one of the things that he said that just stuck with me was, he said, a word for a prophet is not an excuse for an action or apathy, which I think is incredible because most Christians, even those that believe in prophecy, you just believe, well, when somebody speaks a word from the Lord, then it's just going to happen. And therefore, I can just pop some corn and sit on my duff and just watch it. And really, what a prophet actually is, even this is biblical,

is actually more of a directional, right? It's an arrow pointing in a direction. And God is expecting his people to hear his voice and follow. Did you say pop some corn and sit on my duff? Yep. The word duff is really not allowed on this program. Chris, we're going to have to add the word duff. I can't believe there's children that listen to this program.

And you said duff. And now I'm saying duff. Okay. So that's an important point, important theological point. And I've made this point. point many times myself that just because God says you're going to win doesn't mean you don't need to fight to win. It doesn't mean you don't need to pray. It doesn't mean you don't need to be in the battle. And that's always the issue, right? That there are people think like, well, God is

sovereign. It's like, well, no, it's a little more complicated than that. God may have said, yes, I want you to prevail, but now you have to fight. And I keep bringing it back to the American revolution because I spent the last two years thinking about the American Revolution. But if you say to George Washington in 1776, hey, George, you're going to win. He would say, well, that's very nice. That's very nice to know. But in the meantime, I have to suffer and my men have to suffer and die and suffer and die. And so in the meantime, we have to fight and pray and suffer and fight and pray. And so we have to fight and pray. And so we have to fight and pray. And so. suffer and sometimes die. We are in a war. And I think that people miss that, that just because

you're going to win the war doesn't mean you don't need to fight and pray, fight on your knees in prayer, fight in other ways. I think that a lot of the church has become passive and is into this sitting on their duff mentality that it's all taken care of. You know, we throw around these cliches, oh, God is sovereign. Well, yes, he is, but what does that mean? What does that mean? You may be martyred. Our friend Charlie Kirk was martyred while he was in the lion's den, while he's sharing his faith. And I think it's very important that we understand that. And that's kind of the problem in a way with the concept of prophecy is people don't understand that, you know, we have to be biblical about it. We can't just say, well, God said that and I believe it.

And if I could say something to that, I think that, yeah, God is sovereign. And what does a sovereign do? Sovereign dictates his will. And his will is to be followed by his people. And, you know, and we don't battle against flesh and blood. And Paul was very clear about that. We battle against the principalities and the rulers of the air that are still, you know, in a battle trying to win this thing. And so we actually have to fight against them. But the interesting thing is bringing up, you know, using prophecies as weapons. it's interesting that the word of God is referred to as a weapon, and we've kind of reduced that down to just the scriptures. But I think that a word from somebody who's hearing from the Lord or from the Lord himself to you can be used as a weapon. And I think that Paul outlines that very clearly to Timothy when he says, hey, you know those personal prophecies that you got?

Use them to fight the good fight. Well, if prophecy is just supposed to happen and reality is always supposed to match up with the sovereign will of God, then why is he encouraging him to use those prophecies to fight if it didn't mean that reality wasn't actually going to be lining up with what he was seeing, what God was saying, if that makes sense? Well, it is, it's so fascinating. I'm just thinking of the fact that you made a film about prophecy, and I want to ask you about that. What led you to make a film about prophecy? Well, it really was around that 2020 election thing, you know, because you had some prophets that are saying, you know, hey, Trump was, you know, is going to win and then backed off. And then there were people that said Trump was going to win and doubled down.

And so that was kind of a curious thing. As somebody who grew up believing that God speaks and that there are prophets, I've still had my issues with how they've gone about business. But I do believe that there's something there. And it kind of goes back to that whole thing where it's like if the enemy is all about deception and you can get a word from a prophet, right? You could get individually a word from a prophet. And I've known people that have gotten words 20 years ago and are only manifesting now, right?

Because they actually held that and said, no, I really believe that this is what, you know, God is saying over my life and I'm going to continue down this path and overcome these obstacles and all of this other stuff and all of a sudden that fruit comes to bear. Well, the enemy is all about deception. So if an enemy, if the enemy can use deception to throw off individuals, why couldn't he use deception on a whole wide scale over an entire nation and get us to believe that, you know, the election was actually fair and balanced and all this other stuff when actually, you know, I mean, there's so much evidence that are coming out in investigations right now. actually be shown that the whole 2020 thing was rigged.

I think, you know, to be fair, and I've talked about this enough over the years, but I can understand why people can't handle the concept that the election was stolen. It's too painful to think that in the United States of America, something like that could happen. And it's easier to go along with the consensus and to go along with the news media and go, yeah, everybody knows like it didn't happen. It did happen. It did happen.

And we have to have a reckoning. You can't allow something like that to happen. or even sort of to happen without dealing with it. I mean, if there's any truth to it, we need to get that out. And not to go back to that, not to insist on that, is to be a part of the problem. I mean, I really think it's kind of like saying, well, there's no evil in the world. There's evil in the world. And there are times when you've got to face it.

And it's ugly. I mean, I remember the 2000 election with the hanging chads and I remember being mortified at the time thinking this doesn't happen in America that we have to wait weeks and weeks to find out who won. What is going on? I remember being really rattled because I thought in America, we've had a system that we trust and the people. The reason America works is because the people say, I am the government. We the people. We're the government. We are free. We're not governed by anyone. It's not the government. We are the government. We choose our leaders. it's transparent, it's clear.

That's how self-government works. That's what liberty is all about. The moment that is rattled, and that was first rattled in 2000, 26 years ago, where suddenly the cynicism creeps in. Maybe there are people playing games. The lawyers are playing games. That cynicism destroys self-government.

Because unless the people believe my vote counts, you really can't proceed because suddenly now it's all corruption. And that's what you have in third world countries. That's what you have in communist countries, in socialist countries. It's all corruption. Everybody knows its corruption. And consequently, everybody pulls back.

They're no longer involved. And that's really the horror. And so when we talk about the 2020 election, we're going to have to face this. I mean, I think many of us are facing it, but there are many still mainstream media outlets, including Fox News. they will not go there. The Wall Street Journal, they just won't go there

because it's somehow too disturbing. And I think that we really cannot function as a society unless everyone knows that we have free elections. So even if we had an election that was fair, if there are enough people that don't believe it was fair, we've got to deal with that because that's a problem. People need to understand that need to have faith in these institutions. Anyway, didn't mean to go so long on that.

But I just think it's crucial because what happened in 2020 was so jarring to most people. You can see why so many people just want to say, stop, we're not going to talk about it. We're not going to talk about it. Because I do think that those profits to get back to your film, they were right. But they just didn't know how to interpret what they were hearing. Right. No, for sure. Because, I mean, you know, what we experienced in 2020, if it was actually a stolen election,

it was a total black swan. It was something that had never happened before, right? And so, you know, you don't really have anything to bounce that off of. But we, the people, are actually the ones that are vested in the authority, according to the document that we signed before God and the world. And the authority is a big deal to heaven. And so authority is vested in the people. And that's where I stand, you know, when it comes down to that, I think that God knows who actually won. And that authority was transferred to that man during that time.

which is interesting because he still operated very much as a kingmaker in a sense and, you know, went through a lot of stuff, was very influential even in those four years where he wasn't actually in the quote-unquote office. And so kind of a fascinating thing, which we, you know, it's a whole other thing. But the prophecies that were in 2016 and 2020, one of the things that I point out to people is that that was abnormal. You know, I don't know how long you've been aware of like charismatic, you know, stuff, Pentecostal stuff. But I classically, call myself a Baptist coastal. And so when, uh, you know, I grew up, you know, hearing, yeah, you know, an election word or whatever, you know, every once in a while, you know, it wasn't,

it wasn't like in mass like it was in 2016 and 2020. So that was an abnormal event. And so that's kind of one of the things that we explored in this. And one of the things that was taught to me by somebody, you know, that I trust, it was saying like, if you get a word from the Lord and it's very clear and it's just a one-time thing. Usually that means that things are going to actually go pretty well. Like, it's going to be pretty easy to get there, if long as you just stay on that path. But if you hear it over and over and over again, it usually means you're going to have to fight for it. So the fact that we have that many people hearing those words, it should have clued us into the fact that this was going to be something that we were going to have to

fight for and reassert our authority as we are the people. One of the people you have in the film, Hank Cooneman, who's a friend, I remember I was at some event, and it must have been about a year after the election. So it was probably really early, like maybe 2021 or early 2022. I remember exactly when. But I just remember somebody in the audience challenging him and saying, you know, you said that Trump was going to win or something. or I think Michael Brown had been very critical of some of these profits, you know, in effect, saying you said he was going to win, he didn't win, so now you need to repent.

And Hank Kuhnman gave pushback, and I didn't understand it at the time, but I understand it now that you hear what you hear, and you've got to try to figure out, what do I do with it? If I heard that Trump is going to, I mean, you know, you want to know, was there a phrase,

Trump is going to win, Trump is going to win a second term, and what how do you interpret it but the fact is that i am convinced now that he did win in 2020 uh and that he was going to serve a second term starting in 2024 uh or in 20204 election so there's there's a lot there um and that to me is always the issue is is what are people hearing what are they saying i mean there have been prophetic voices that i think have been very sloppy and unhelpful um and i i wish they'd shut up They're just, I just don't see them helping, helping the situation.

Anyway, well, what else is in the film? The film is called Can You Hear Me Now? It's about the prophetic. The last interview with Charlie Kirk, can you hear me now? Film.com is the website. But what else is in the film? Well, it's my own personal journey kind of just, you know, unpacking some of these things, asking questions.

We actually explore it from a scientific standpoint. We explore it from a historical standpoint. not only a biblical standpoint, but then also a good friend of mine, William Federer, is in the film. And he, you know, kind of just talking about our Christian heritage and the fact that the Constitution of Connecticut was originally a sermon. They held onto that constitution. It was established in the mid-1600s, and they held onto that constitution until the early 1800s before they rewrote it. And so, you know, it's really hard to say pastors don't get involved in politics when, you know, it was his sermon that actually, you know, was the law of the land in

that state, you know, so there's a lot of things that he explores there, which was, which was fun. And then Kelly Shackleford's in the film. He was, he's a First Amendment attorney, religious liberties attorney. And so he brought some amazing context around the whole separation of church and state, along with Charlie. And really, it's just, to me, the two main takeaways that I love people to take away from this film is one, you can hear the voice of God. You know, the voice of God is, it's not a mystical, ethereal, weird thing. This whole prophet stuff is really actually quite normal and actually does have some scientific and historical basis to it. But also, and that you can actually hear the voice yourself. You know, these prophets are gifts to the Lord, gifts from the Lord,

that, you know, somebody that's operating as a good or a true prophet is pointing to the Lord, and is teaching you what he sounds like so you can begin to tune in yourself. The other thing is that I would really love for the church to hear this and go, wow, God is actually speaking and is actually very active right now. And we need to be a part of that conversation. And especially going into the midterms, you know, making our voices heard and making sure that we get this country back on the right track. Because we had, you know, based on your, I mean, all of the research that you've done,

you know, I've done a lot of research into our founding history. and, you know, we have such a wonderful, wonderful gift. We were given a wonderful gift by those very brilliant men 250 years ago that completely transformed the trajectory of the world. And I believe that we can still transform the trajectory of the world if Christians would just realize that we actually have to be a part of that conversation. Well, yes, and realize that they have a duty to be a part of that conversation. Exactly.

again, this is something that I've been talking about so much. My book on the American Revolution, I keep saying in these interviews that when I started writing it, I had no idea, really, that it would be wall-to-wall Christians and Christian faith. I mean, the book is not about that. It's just the telling of the story of the American Revolution. But it's astonishing how it comes out of Christian faith. And that has been whitewashed. That's been wiped away from, from, we're not teaching it. And the fact that, because you don't have to like it. You don't have to be a Christian,

but that is how you get liberty and self-government. It's how America came into being. So if you want to be honest, intellectually honest, you have to look at that and deal with that and think about that. So this suggestion that somehow you can have all this, you can have liberty and flourishing without faith. I'd like somebody to show me how that's possible because you can't. I don't know who called it a cut flower society,

but you have all the fruit. But if you're cut off from your roots, Eventually, the plant dies, the tree dies. And I really think that we need to get reconnected. And everybody needs to understand that we have to be involved. We have to bring our faith into the public square, into the marketplace, into politics. We have an obligation. And people need to understand that.

And I know, of course, I know Bill Federer and Kelly Shackleford. And they understand this. But there's so many in the church that still don't quite get this or they're going to churches that completely ignore this kind of thing. And I say if you're going in one of those churches, folks, you better get out quick. We just got a couple of minutes left. Tell us more.

The film is called, Can You Hear Me Now? It's about the prophetic. When did you get involved in the prophetic? How old were you? At what point did it hit you? I mean, I've always been around in churches that, you know, believe that you could hear God,

that God spoke through the prophets or, you know, through people as well as to individuals and through the scriptures, you know, they basically just like God, God can speak, you know. And so I've heard God speak to me through a song. I've heard God speak to me driving along the road and having a conversation with him and praying to him. And, you know, I can always point to the exact location where I was when I heard. I've, you know, I've active imagination.

I've never heard seeing open visions, but I've, you know, had imaginations or sometimes God will highlight a date to me, you know, just things like that. And so I think that the idea of understanding, you have to be open to the fact that God is speaking to actually hear his voice. Because if you don't believe that he actually does speak that way, you're not going to hear it. It's going to be like you're tuned into a radio that's just on this,

you know, and you're not going to hear another station because you're tuned into the station that you're on. And so it really is about tuning it over into that idea and going like, oh, okay, God does speak. And he speaks in a variety of different ways. English is not his first slang. so he uses a lot of different ways to communicate to us. And you have to always bounce that off of what he said in the past.

You know, it's like, it's like this idea that he doesn't do it anymore is really weird for me as a father because I wouldn't tell my kids that I want to have a relationship with you, but I'm not actually going to talk to you verbally. I want you to read this book that I read, wrote before you were born. That doesn't make any sense. But if I put house rules on my, on my fridge and I say, hey, guys, this is the kind of the law, the land and then all of a sudden I'm away and let's just say somebody reaches out to them on the phone and pretends to be me and says something contrary to what's on the fridge,

they're going to be like, I don't think that's bad, right? I'm afraid we're out of time. The film is, can you hear me now? Go to can you hear me now film.com. Matt Thayer, thank you. Thank you, Eric. Always good to hang out with you, buddy. Hey there, folks.

As you know, one of the sponsors, this program and I feel very strongly about this particular sponsor is Grace Precious Metals. I wanted to get the CEO of Grace Precious Metals on the program, Bill Armour, and I have succeeded. Promises made, promises kept. Bill Armour, welcome to the program.

Thanks for having me. Great to be here. I wanted to talk to you about this thing called the Everything Bubble. You're qualified to talk about it. I'm not. I'm barely qualified to understand what you have to say, but I know that it ties in to what we want to get to. So tell my audience what is this thing that people are calling the everything bubble. The CAPE ratio, it stands for a cyclically adjusted price to earnings.

And what that is that takes the, what a company is actually produced over the last 10 years, and then averages it against what that stock is worth. And it creates a ratio out of that. And historically, that number across the entire stock market will sit at something around 20. Might go a little higher, might go a little lower, but generally it's going to reside around 20. Back in 2001, when we had the dot-com bubble in the crash there, it jumped all the way up to 43 and then came cratering down to about 16. And that was where people saw 60%, you know, lost 70% in the NASDAQ, 40% in the SMP. So people across the board, retirement savings were dramatically

impacted. So when you look at that, you say, okay, well, what's it at today, Bill? Well, today it's at 41. So it's the highest we ever had at bar 2001. And it's pointing to this, this realization that we are getting so much fluff. You know, you slap AI on the front of a company's name and suddenly it's worth 10x, you know, multiples here. So it's like the dot com boom, right? I mean, I remember this vividly because I'm older than you. I mean, I remember people, you could just see people kind of going crazy for this and throwing money and acting like, you know, we've discovered free energy or something like jump on we're all going to be billionaires and clearly this happens in history and you you say this is happening out with AI and that seems to be an understatement.

I mean, it's kind of amazing how people are just going crazy over this acting like it's free money. Come on. Join us. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, the scale of it, I think, is what should concern people because the NASDAQ was a 78% drop in 2001. And for, someone that is looking to preserve their wealth, you know, maybe you're not 25 anymore. You're saying, hey, I've got to make this last the rest of my life. A 78% cut to what you have means that you probably have to go back to work. And that's, I think, the part that, you know, a lot of brokers and whatnot will not necessarily explain is the cyclicality of this. We see these market crashes often. We saw them in 2000. We saw it in, oh, wait, we saw it in

2020 around the sort of COVID drop there. All of this together, we're seeing this cyclicality, this constancy to the market drops. And so what does that mean for someone that has retirement savings? It means that you are in a position where you need to think critically about what you're doing to protect, preserve your wealth because the answers that were true maybe 50, 60, 70 years ago and just kind of trust the system are not true today. We have $40 trillion in national debt. That's not a number that we would have even fathomed 50 or 60 years ago. Yeah, it's kind of disturbing. So once again, precious metals, gold and silver tend to be stable.

And it's why we're recommending them. But the reason I say go with grace, precious metals. And by the way, people can go to metaxismedals.com, folks. If you need a website, go to metaxismeddles.com. It'll take you to grace precious metals, metaxusmetals.com. But I really, I've been astonished at, you know, talking to you and learning about the business and how a lot of other gold companies, they're playing this game. And you can kind of see why they do it, but it doesn't really mean it's okay. Or I would say if you have a choice, I would avoid them.

You know, it's just, it's like dealing with a. a car salesman. You just think, like, I understand why he's using these tactics on me, but I don't have to like the tactics. Yeah, exactly. I would say there's two things here. One is that, you're right, precious metals have been a store of value, and they've done incredibly well through these turbulent market times.

So there is a lot of reasons to want to own precious metals, and people are right to think that they're right to feel that way. The other side of that, though, is, you know, how you go about purchasing precious metals is its own sort of dangerous journey. And the problem, as you just alluded to there, is a lot of these companies out there will sell products with exorbitant markups. They won't explain that to the client. The client will think that they're getting just gold and silver.

How complicated can it be? But in reality, you know, as sort of a sleazy salesman has come in and pushed what are called semi-numismatic or numismatic coins, which is just collectible. So they're charging a massive markup for the design on the coin. Okay, just to be clear, just to be, to solve for X. So the theory or the idea is that gold and silver hold their value.

But what they're doing somewhat subtly is they're taking you into a realm where, yeah, you're getting gold and silver, but you're now getting this other thing. Yes. Which doesn't hold its value. You're getting this other thing, which is, you know, it's subjective, a coin. You know, we know how much it weighs. We know how much gold there is, but it's a beautiful coin. So they're bringing you into a realm that moves away from the whole point of it

is that I'm getting something that holds its value. It's gold and silver, period. Yes. Yeah, exactly. You want ounces, not designs. So our goal here on our mission at Grace, precious metals, is to get people the most ounces possible, irregardless of how pretty the coin looks. We want to find people basically the metal itself at the lowest premium, lowest markup possible.

And that's where we're, I mean, we're better than just about anywhere you can find when you talk about All In, that's buying, that's selling everything. We're going to be, you know, I mean, we're beating everyone. So that's the encouragement I give to people is you want the best deal. You want the most ounce as possible. That's we're here for. If you're shopping around, if you're a coin collector, you know, that's great. Probably not someone that we necessarily work with. We're here to help people preserve wealth via exactly like you said, get the most ounces possible.

And that's what's going to be valuable. I mean, you look at silver was added to the critical minerals list here for this year. You look at golds potentially being talked about as backing the currency again in the future. So you're looking at these metals are going to be valuable because of the weight they have, the contents, not the designs. I mean, silver, the infrastructure, what we're using it for, the amount we're using, We're in sixth consecutive year of a deficit in terms of production versus usage. We're draining the above ground silver supply. When we get to a point where Samsung can't make a computer because they need silver,

they're not going to care what the design on that silver coin is. They're going to want the metal itself so they can continue production. Yes, they're not going to melt down mercury dimes, ladies and gentlemen. They're not going to melt down the coinage. They're not interested in that. They just want the silver. That's the value. I'm always excited when I can understand something clearly.

So I'm particularly thrilled right now. All right. So, Bill, you've published a new free guide called The Everything Bubble. People can get it at metaxis metals.com. Folks, you can find all this stuff at metaxis metals.com. Have we left anything out or have we pretty much covered it? No, that's great. I would just add that ultimately here, what that guide is going to do is it's going to give you in your own time.

take as long or short as you want to read through that. It's going to explain the case on where the market is, where the, you know, this everything level, what that means, what that could mean for your retirement, what the options are, what it looks like to purchase metals. It will give you the tools here so that before you ever make a call to someone like Grace Precious Metals, you're already going to have kind of all the information you would need to make a, you know, a defensible decision here, a really a smart decision. And so our goal is to make sure that there's no pressure on you. There's no pressure on anyone that's picking up that guide. We want them to make their own decision come to it at their own pace, and we're just here

to be a resource. All right. And that's why we're working together, Bill. I really appreciate that. Folks, please go to metaxismetals.com. Metaxismmeddles.com. Bill Armour. Thank you so much.

Thanks so much.