The I Love CVille Show With Jerry Miller! - Drop In Admission Rates For Black College Applicants; UVA: Top Performers Or Strategically Diverse?

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

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Oh, God. You're so funny. You're so funny. Welcome to the I Love Seabill Show. My name is Jerry Miller. Thank you kindly for joining us on a Wednesday afternoon in downtown Charlottesville. Boy, oh boy, do we have a lot to cover. How about that homeless population? It has ballooned. It has spiked. It has increased. Remember, the metric provided to us by Charlottesville City was a houseless population in the neighborhood of 200 to 225 people, depending on the season and any given day in our fine and fair 10.2 square mile city. Well, lo and behold, according to an article published today by Charlottesville tomorrow, ladies and gentlemen, the houseless population has ballooned, has spiked to 571 people, Judah, from 200 to 200 to 200 to 200 to 2,000. 225, the metric utilized in the year 2025 last year. City Hall used the metric, 200 to 225 people in the homeless population. That was the metric positioned with us last year when the argument was made that taxpayer dollars, 6.2 million, should be spent to purchase

the office building on Holiday Drive. now 90 days not even 90 days not even at the end of the first quarter that houseless population is up to 571 people judah are you quoting from seville tomorrow seeville tomorrow do you see the dates on that oh i'm seeing it that means i was going to unpack that where we lied to yeah was it misrepresented was it was the city disingenuous with us so much to understand unpack on this story, including the communications director. She does a really good job. She's going to watch and listen to what I say on this program. Her name is Afton Schneider. I've met her once. I met her, in fact, in this studio when she was behind the scenes here in our studio on the I Love Seville Network as one of her colleagues, her associates, was on one of the sister shows of the I Love Seville. show that airs on our network. We have a number of programs that air here. And on a side note,

we're having tremendous success with a life unedited, a talk show hosted by Mark Hunt, an interview show that airs on Wednesday mornings at 10, 15 a.m. And we're on the cusp of inking a deal with a host on a new show, a finance-based talk show. I'm trying to close. I'm trying to that deal potentially on Monday. The ink is not dry. We're in contract and negotiations, but we're on the cusp of launching a new program that would air on Thursday mornings. That would give the I Love Seaville Network, ladies and gentlemen, nearly 15 hours a week of live programming. We are the water cooler of content and conversation in Charlottesville, Almore, and in central Virginia. Afton Schneider, the director of communications, was in this studio

supporting one of her colleagues on one of our sister shows. And I met her the one time. I found her to be professional. I think she's talented. I think she's done a good job of bringing a voice. You know what she's done really well, Afton Schneider? She's humanized, localized, and personalized city governance efforts. That's what a good communications director does.

In fact, Afton, you should use this phrase moving forward on what you do at your job for Charlottesville. You humanize, you localize, and you personalize local governance. That's what you do. You do a good job of it. I was really shocked, however, with your word choice recently. You're the communications director. You realize that words are extremely important. and for you on the record, Judah, on the record, to the media, she said this,

she called the free bridge encampment, it's their home, as if there was a sense of ownership there. Yeah. I'm more disturbed by... Are you two-shot it? Are you off-camera talking like you, like you? I'm talking like the voice of God. This is the voice of God over here, otherwise known as Judah Wickhauer. That's not blasphemous in any capacity, I promise.

We are, of course, joking. Judah Wickhauer. It's their home, the sense of ownership for an urban wilderness trail that is on the bank of the Rivana River, that is in a business and residential district and a gateway entry into the city of Charlottesville. Calling at their home is almost appalling to me. I think it's more indicative of how city governance sees the encampment. rather than a personal admission of Ashton's, but of course, I don't know her.

I don't understand what you just said right there. I'm saying what disturbs me about it is that I think that's the overall view of... You think that's Sam Sanders' view, and she's carrying out the M.O. of the city manager. Yeah. Because you're basing that on Sam Sanders' track record of Sanders' and Market Street Park where he basically took the most visible park in the city and turned it into a shanty town for a couple of weeks and then had the police department do his dirty work of clearing the shanty town of Sandersville. Fortunately, that went down extremely well. That's when we got one of the most iconic lines ever in local media history when one of the TV stations went and interviewed one of the stakeholders of Sandersville.

and said, we're going to have a Sandersville open house. We encourage, we encourage community members to come where we're going to be offering water, water bottles, chocolate chip cookies, and Narcan for All. That's the line that made the local news, Narcan for All, as if, as if offering free life-saving heroin and opiate remedies is a lure. for us parents and children for let me bring my seven my eight year old and my three year old

to Sandersville's open house on Market Street maybe you're right maybe Afton Schneider the comms director is just carrying out the edict or the order of the city manager and maybe the city manager truly believes

an encampment on the banks of the Rivana River smack dab on an urban wilderness trail is the actual owned home of these individuals. Are we leaving city council out of this discussion? Maybe it goes

maybe you're right. Maybe it's not even Sam Sanders. Maybe it's council here. I mean, they're the ones that vetoed their own their own no camping ban. No sheltering in place ban. No storing of your possessions ban. Instructing the police chief to

present it and then not backing him after he did the PowerPoint presentation. and speaking of which, speaking of which, I've just got to add that I was appalled I normally think the Seville Tomorrow articles, while biased,

are... Extremely biased. ...are usually pretty well written. 100% well written. But I saw in here where they specifically say, they specifically mention Charlottesville Police Chief Michael

Conscious, asked city council to consider an ordinance and go on to say that there were objections, but I can't believe that they would paint this as though it was all on police chief conscious as personal impulse impetus that the no camping ban was brought forward. I would also, if I was chief conscious, after reading that article, feel like this was not port-a-year-old. portrayed correctly. And it doesn't seem like that would be a, I mean, that's not like a buried lead or anything. It's not like there's a buried, you know, information there.

I think this would be a fairly simple paragraph to not get wrong. Also in the Charlottesville Tomorrow article that is now going viral, for example, being very much Ballyhooed on the Charlottesville subreddit, the homeless population is now tallied at 571. Yeah. And here's something that's maybe disingenuous or misrepresented. If the homeless population is 571, they even date stamp it in the Charlottesville Tomorrow article, according to the nonprofits that service the homeless. As of 2024, the homeless population was 571.

And then go on to say that data for 2025 isn't even available yet. Last year, when justifying the purchase of an office building for $6.2 million of allocated taxpayer resources to purchase an office building on the bypass that was going to yield 200 or so beds, the population was earmarks between 220 and 225 people. And roughly 50 of those or so are, I believe, leave regular tenants at the high barrier shelter? The Salvation Army shelter. So it made perfect sense on paper. Okay, we have 200 homeless people to 225 homeless people. 50 of them are regular tenants when the weather is really nasty, too hot, too cold, rainy, dangerous.

They go to the Salvation Army. That leaves anywhere from 150 to 175. yes let's spend $6.2 million for this office building. It's going to be 200 or so beds. Everyone's going to get a cut. This makes perfect sense. Now we know, according to the Charlottesville Tomorrow article, that the population was in fact over 500 and even closer to 600 people at the time.

The taxpayer is being bamboozled here. This is disingenuous. at best. Dishingenuous at absolute best. Some kind of corruption possibly. I can't be more straightforward than that.

My question is, was it a willful oversight? And I respond to the willful oversight by saying what I say at this firm every single week. Ignorance is not an excuse. The man knows that I say it so much. Ignorance is not an excuse.

It's not an excuse. I've worked at some firms and companies that would say ignorance is making a mistake tied to ignorance is even worse than making a mistake tied to oversight or haste. I disagree. A mistake tied to oversight or haste, at least you knew that you were making a mistake and you just slipped because you were under the gun of pressure or time. a mistake tied to ignorance means you're uneducated and you're not suited to do the job. I think that's a... That right there will be the tomato tomato of the team member and employer, the employee and employer tomato tomato right there.

How one views that. An employee in my book, whether, when I was at the newspaper, 20 years ago with 13 people reporting to me, all older than me, in some cases, three times my age. You talk about a difficult job. You are in your early mid-20s, and you're managing people in their mid-and-upper 60s all the way down to a couple of years older than you, 13 of them. There was a lot of autonomy offered. Jerry Rackleaf was the boss. He was very much a columnists in that capacity and less editor and much of the department running was tied to the number two at that time it was me for an extended period i still utilize experiences from that job and running this firm to today the mistakes that we made as a team were plentiful we were underpaid and overworked

we worked nights weekends holidays underpaid underappreciated but every day the new had to come out. It's like the effing mail in that Seinfeld episode. Every day, the expectation was to put out some kind of news product, regardless if we had news or not, but we did it. That's the nature of the profession. And as a result, we made mistakes all the time. They're varying degrees of mistakes. The mistake that got you fired was the mistake on the correction. If you make a mistake in the newspaper business, you make a correction, you write a correction, You write too many corrections on your work, your job is in jeopardy. But the big no-no is the mistake on the correction that showed up in print.

That's when you got pink slipped. And oftentimes it was, oh, I didn't know. I'm ignorant. That is not an argument to use with a boss. It is, though. The problem is that bosses are very good at looking at other people and seeing mistakes. They are very bad at seeing their own. mistakes and seeing that the rules don't always apply to them. And if you want to get down to

the nitty gritty, the quote is actually ignorance of the law is no excuse. Ignorance is a perfect excuse because if you're ignorant of something, how can you know that you needed that information? Because you are a seasoned professional. That doesn't mean anything. Because anyone watching this show can relate to this who's ever had an employer of any capacity. And anyone who's watching the show can relate to this if they are the employer and have employees that report to them. Yeah. And if you have created a list of rules and laws or whatever you want to call them and the person is ignorant of one, that is applicable. Okay.

Because they should have been able to look at. at the list of rules and know that they had missed something. Then let's talk about this as it relates to the city. When they purchased Holiday Drive, the office building for $6,200,000 our money, taxpayer money,

they said the homeless population was between 200 people and 225 people. Now, Charlottesville Tomorrow, which is legitimately quoting industry, industry support staff, the service providers are saying that number is 571 people that are homeless and they've known

that number as of 2024. How would you characterize what's happened here? I would personally, I would want more information because A, because A, that number is not a total number of, I don't believe that is, there were like at the beginning of the year and at the end of the year, there were roughly 571 people. I think that is, if you look at the wording in the article, it's mentioned

that over the course of the year, that's the number of people that were in and out of homelessness. So some of those people may have started off in housing or may have ended off the year in housing. A hundred percent. 100%. It's transient.

It's flex. And so, yeah. I don't think, I, I may be wrong, but here's where we need more information. I don't think at any one particular day were there 571 people. I think you're 100% right on that. I agree with you. I think you're 100% right on that.

The numbers were probably a lot larger than what we were led to believe. Right. But there is a delta of information here where some of this has to do with fluctuations and other information has to do with what is the, the steady overall population. Okay, then I'll try it a different way. I will try it a different way. Judah Wickhauer, you're a reasonable person.

You're the metronome of emotional consistency on this show. The ying to my volatile and emotional yang. If you had known prior to the $6,200,000 purchase of Holiday Drive that there were 571 people in and out of homelessness in Charlottesville? Two years ago. Would you have... And it's probably increased.

Would you have gone on this show and supported a office building purchase that would have yielded 200 beds? I'd have said, give me a plan. Okay, follow-up question to that. That office building purchase in Q4 of last year, October of last year, that was going to yield 200 beds on paper, is now chopped down to 80 beds

and is now going to need an initial $10 million and is not going to come online for another three years. 571 homeless people, 80 beds, 16 million all in, 36 months before it's life. What would your commentary have been

if you had the flux capacitor, Doc Emmett Brown and a Dolorian, and Einstein the dog? Same thing. Give me a plan. Like right now. Look at, we've got, we have, have you looked at 2000 holiday drive? Yeah, I drive by it every day when taking my kid to second grade. If I'm not mistaken, I think there's far more space, far more lawn and what? There's even, there's even basically a parking lot. It's like a dead end street that's meant for parking, I think. In fact, I'll go to the Charlestville GIS and give you the exact acreage of 2000 Holiday Drive.

One thing that Charlottesville is doing better than Almaro County, one of the few things, frankly, is its GIS offering. The Almaro GIS is utterly atrocious. I literally am on 2000 Holiday Drive right now. Let's see when I can find the details here. We're talking 1.57 acres. Pretty big. That's not bad. That's pretty big.

Go ahead, make your point now. My point is, I think that that 1.57 acres is probably enough to hold the tent encampments that we currently have going on the Ravanna Trail. Without a doubt. Why not plan for that? Without a doubt. I feel like everyone's just standing around with their fingers in places they shouldn't be and going, well, it's their home. Yeah. Afton Schneider.

the comms director. Who did she say that to? What can we do? Who did she say that to? Let's see. Who did she say that to? Let me find it real quick. She said,

if you're running a business in the high street area, if you're Rivana River Company or Sugar Bear or Hogwaller brewery or Kosner Automotive or Riverside or any of the home,

Is that Woolen Mills, viewers and listeners? Is that characterizes Woolen Mills there? I was in the wrong direction. Is it Woolen Mills on the far side of the bridge? Or is that characterizes the River Road neighborhood? I think that's River Road neighborhood. Okay. If you are in any of those groups that I just mentioned,

you should be appalled by what was just said here. Do you have it? Yeah. I don't think it specifies who she was talking to. This is Aptons Schneider, director and community. of communications and public engagement for the city, said outreach efforts are ongoing and goes on to say, I mean, this is their home. If you were living here, wouldn't you want it to be clean and feel safe? So I think it's a positive thing. Which, I mean, that's not wrong. If you're not going to, if you don't have any plan to do anything.

Judah, it is wrong. This is a public, I mean, this is a public part. But if you've already seated control of the public park to everyone, then yeah. Seating, offering usage and calling it their home are two different things. I agree. And word choice is how she makes her living. Yeah. She makes her living by choosing words to communicate to people. But she speaks for our city's government, not herself.

And so when she says, I mean this is their home, if you were, she's, she's talking. for she's speaking as a publicist. Then she's a base she is a public relations expert. She's you can say what you want about about the meaning of the words, but the fact of the matter is she is imparting our city's feelings on the matter. Deep throat providing value to the show. Deep throat's photo on screen. This is why he is number one in the family. this is why he's number one. I looked at the Charlottesville G-I.S.

1.57 acres when you search 2000 Holiday Drive. Deep Throat offers additional color here. There are two parcels for Holiday Drive. The city purchased both of them. The second parcel has no building and 2.3 additional acres. So now we're talking 1.57 plus 2.3. What is that? 3.87?

Yeah. 3.87 acres doing diddly squat. Build a COA campground. What the hell is going on here? Seriously, like, build them a roof or something and have some trash cans and whatever... And they used heroin needle dispensers. The dispensers and whatever porta-potties they're putting up. Get it away from the water source and where the kids play and where the taxpayers use an urban

Wilderness Trail that goes across the entire city and county. But there's no plan. What the hell is going on here? Thank you, D. Thrope. That's my big problem. There is no plan. When was the planning, when is the planning going to get started? You have land that you could offer that you own.

With a shelter on it. That's unused. That's been taken off the tax rolls. Does it have a shelter? It has an effing office building. Yeah. Obviously, but I know they, for whatever reasons, they decided they're not going to use it yet. Wouldn't you rather sleep inside an air condition and heated office building than under a bridge?

Of course. That Charlottesville Tomorrow article, did you read it? Not all the way through. It's effing sad. They're interviewing people in this encampment that didn't want their name utilized. Yeah, Mary. Yeah, alias Mary. That literally says, or maybe it was Jay.

here and there that had her her all her possessions wash away in a flood with the Rivana River when the rain and the water got so high and part of her possessions that got washed away in this flood was her birth certificate and her driver's license and as a result of that she cannot get work because she has no driver's license no birth certificate and no possessions. Yeah. It is the effing saddest story in the world, but it's a byproduct of what Judas said. There is no plan.

They have 3.87 acres that the city owns. 3.8s with an office building that is according to the GIS, what is the office building? We're talking the first floor. You ready for this? the first floor has 11,000 I need a calculator for this 11,447 square feet

the second floor has 11,447 square feet the basement has 3,816 square feet there's also an open with the cover area that's 384 square feet open with the cover oh there you go you have 20

37,094 square feet of gross area. That's air conditioned and heated and roofed on 3.8 acres. Do we know that there's still electricity going to 2000 holiday drive? Just curious. This is insane. I know. I know. There's no plan.

And you're interviewing people in Charlottesville tomorrow and Judas made this point here. Charlottesville tomorrow is not journalism. What I'm doing here, what Judah's doing here, we're not doing journalism. We're offering our opinion in our commentary. Charlottesville Tomorrow is there on the teat of nonprofit fundraising associated with DEI and activists, liberal contributors. And as a result, the content Charlottesville Tomorrow creates follows a tone and delivery of that ideology. Activism. diversity, equity, inclusion, left-leaning, because they're supported financially by folks that

want that kind of journalism out there. It's activist journalism, activist writing. And this activist writing is telling the story of two women who don't want their name offered in this article, but these two women, one of them, is so down on her luck that all of her possessions were swept away. No, no, no, it's even worse. Go ahead. Since being there, she's had her birth certificate, her ID, and most of her clothing stolen from her campsite.

Okay, stolen. What was the one who had the stuff swept away in a flood? Is that the other lady that's in the article? Stolen. That means someone has stolen her identity. Yeah, Mary and her husband. We're living under Freebridge. when a flood came through and swept away all of their belongings.

And you know what? You know what? I'm almost, you know me. I don't really get angry. I've seen you angry. Yeah, I know. I know. But I keep it in check better, let's just say.

Anyways, the point I think I'm the only person that's seen you angry. Is that I'm really starting to get irritated. You talk about keyboard, keyboard muscles, keyboard warrior. you know, I think not everybody, but a lot of us have been in the Charlottesville subreddit. And I'm less critical than Jerry is. They're the drugs of society. If you ever run across a thread about the houseless,

the pushback is immense. People saying, oh, exactly the same thing that Afton is saying. That's their home. They deserve, they belong, they whatever, as much as anyone else. You know what my problem is? I'm really, you know, reading this, I want to help this woman. It's just, you know, it's just an ID, it's clothing. Like, I've got old clothing that should be, my point is, people are very quick to go out

and hold up a sign at stone fields saying, you know, no kings or whatever, but I don't see anyone going, I don't hear about anyone going down to the tent encampment and bringing clothing. I don't hear about anyone offering someone a ride so that they can go and get their ID replaced. And this leads back to what we were talking about the other day, about offering other people's money to fix problems rather than doing something yourself. Selective outcry. It's cool to be on the Indivisible Charlottesville Facebook page with Kristen Zakos singing a protest jingle inside Target.

That's something you could talk about at your country club mixer. or at your dinner party, your cocktail and charcutory party. What's not cool is getting in your Prius and your Subaru, driving down to Freebridge, getting out a tub-aware of clothes that you don't wear. We all have it. Bringing it down to this lady Mary who had all her possessions stolen, or this other lady Jane who had all her possessions, taken away in a flood of the Rivana River.

Or even just getting in your Prius and driving to a church to help out with the Pacham. Selective outcry. It's more than that, but yeah. Make it make sense. Make it make sense that the city, and deep throats offering more color and comments are coming in here. I'm going to put this extremely succinctly. Make it make sense that the city has 3.87 acres. of own land on Holiday Drive where it spent $6,200,000 of taxpayer resources to purchase an office building that's nearly 30,000 square feet air condition and heated and roofed.

And the city is not encouraging the houseless that are on the Rivana River and the Rivana Trail in a neighborhood and business district to shift its camping efforts. to the future shelter home. Instead, what the city is doing is providing hotel services to the free bridge encampment, to the tune of bathrooms, janitorial services, and used heroin needle dispensers. And then the communications director of the city, Afton Schneider, says the encampment is the home of these people, offering ownership, perceived ownership, and now we know the houseless population is not the 200 to 220 people

that the city initially said it was and Q4 of last year when purchasing the holiday drive shelter and is now realistically 571 people. And that $6.2 million purchase that was going to yield 200 plus beds is now roughly an 80-bed shelter and is years from coming online and doesn't even have an operator yet.

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She says this, Color me shocked that the homeless population has more than doubled. Can you imagine what it will be like once we have steady and warm weather? Exactly. Olivia Branch watching the program, the Queen of Keswick. This is not an overnight solution. What is? Can we locate an area of the state?

city or county that's not public as a temporary solution. That's what we're, I think that's what we're saying. Holiday drive. Holiday drive is the answer. Not public. The city owns it. There's plenty of grass. There's even some hard top where nobody's going to drive because it's a dead end.

And it's right on the, it's right on the path. It's right on the trail. It's literally in the, like, the perfect spot. Yeah. And the city owns it most importantly. Yeah. You can put up as many tents as you want. The city can put up, they can talk to CSS and get one of those shade covers.

Those pergola covers. To put over things to keep the rain off. Why wouldn't we just say pitch your tent in the 27,000 square foot office building? I. Why? We will provide you air condition and heat. If I had to guess, I would say that there's probably some legal, um, some legal, okay

imagine what do you think my response is going to be to that and there's not legal collateral damage to living on a trail by a river in a business district in a neighborhood

shooting up white China okay but being serious I am being serious no but being serious what was not serious about what I said if somebody if somebody gets if somebody trips

a half you know, a half meter off your property and hurts themselves, no big deal. If somebody trips and hurts themselves on your front lawn, even worse, in your house, they can sue the pants off of you. So my guess, and this is just a guess, because I'm not an expert in any of this, my guess is that the second they let someone into that building, they'd better be, they'd better be, have their insurance money paid up and be ready for the absolute worst to happen. Because if somebody comes in your house and they're shooting up, you can bet eventually they're going

to hurt themselves. Okay. It's much, you're saying it's much safer. It's much safer. I'm saying to shoot up the white China next to a flooding riverbank that's stealing people's, that's taking people's possessions and drowning them. I'm not saying it's. China there instead of a controlled environment like an office building.

I'm not saying it's safer. Obviously, I'm being facetious. Philip Dow, the mayor of Scottsville, watching the program, says, I worked in that office building for many years. Very nice office building. Sad that it's going to be used for this shelter, the city buying this building shows no common sense. William McChesney, the mayor of McIntyre, the houseless building would have to have power

to maintain HVAC so pipes won't freeze. There are median beggars at 250 and hydraulic intersection that stay in nearby motels. 100% I've seen it as well. And a tent. There's a tent on that corner already. Or at least there has been. There are 100% has been. I think it's still there.

Carly Wagner watching the program. Key member of the family here. She's very practical with her perspective. A lot of comments on the I Love Seville group. Did the city purchase? the parcel specifically for the purpose of this campsite. Rivana Trail prohibits camping, she says. There are organizations and churches helping these people.

Patcham hosts many of them with each church hosting groups for a couple of weeks. Our church is gearing up to host 70 plus men for two weeks. That's what Judas Church is doing right now. I think you told the story on Monday. Yeah, I think our two weeks is either up or close to up. I don't remember the exact dates. But yeah, the men have been. been at our church for a couple weeks and and it's it's been great some of them have even attended

our church service carly wagner do they open and close pools charlottesville sanitary supply and charlottesville swimming pool company yes call john and andrew vermillion about opening and closing your swimming pool carly wagner 100 percent we have a swimming pool our home in ivy charlott'sful sanitary supply is the point of contact they will help you john or andrew vermilion carly at Charlestville Santerian Supply and Charlottesville Swimming Pool Company. And she says, I assume Holiday Drive is not in the floodplain too. Isn't there a similar liability to where the city has them now, Judah? I don't think so.

What are you talking about? How is the city liable if I decide... The city is allowing public camping in an area that floods and people can drown. Of course, they're liable. I think you're wrong. All right. You're flabbergasting me. How?

If I decide I'm going to go to sleep on the banks of the Ravana and there's a different way? Can I try that a different way? How is the city liable? Can I try that a different way? Sure. The city allows me to camp on Route 29 in the middle of the road at a 45-hour traffic zone. But tacit allowance is not explicit allowance.

Not moving these people is not giving explicit approval for what they're doing. I somebody correct me if I'm, Harley says Judah do you realize you do realize the city owns that parcel by Freebridge. Okay. That is their dirt. All right. And I don't have, I don't have any problem with being wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

But I think it's a very, very, very different animal. Uh, having someone erect a tent on the banks of the Ravana and have a flood take them away as opposed to letting someone into an actual building that you own. Somebody smarter than me out there and there's lots of them. Deep throats offering some support of your argument. The city cannot let people in that building unsupervised. One firebug meth head and you have a liability nightmare. The point he's making.

He also says, but let them camp on the land for sure. No different than letting them camp on city-owned parking. land. It isn't about safer or less safe for the homeless person. It's who has the liability. The duty of care, if you let a person into a building, is way higher than the duty of care for a park. The argument Jude is making. That's an argument, giving you props here. I'm not trying to be like, I'm right and everybody's wrong. I'm just trying to, you know, we're having a discussion. And I was trying to say that, yeah, I think that there's a very different, you would definitely need to have your insurance up to date. My wife just texted me and said I'm being too argumentative with you.

I don't think so. Oh, thank you. Jerry and I are having, I think, a very civil disagreement, and there's no problem with that. Okay, thank you. And it makes for a good talk show. Yeah. Thank you. So he's not upset with me, sweetheart.

Yeah, I don't. I mean, if you, if you have, if you have a good talk show. was shutting me down and telling me to stop talking. I've tried not to do that. I would, I would, this would be a different story. But when we're having a civil discussion, I don't mind, push back. Olivia Branch says, let's petition for a relocation then. Who are you going to petition?

I, I would hope that comes up and they're actually meeting about this today. They may be meeting about it right now in a work session, council and city staff. Yeah. I hope it comes up in the work session. that Afton Schneider should not utilize the term, it's their home ever again. Right. For the public park.

That's a bad look. The worst kind of optics and PR possible, that phrase right there. Never say that again. I also hope the city clearly states what the number is of the house list. Because $200 to $225 was the number used last year to justify the holiday drive purchase. And now the number's $5.71.

Well, the number is not now $5.71. I get the point that you've made. I think the 200-ish number were permanently homeless. Was headcount. Permanently homeless. For instance, when we had the snow and ice a couple months ago, there were groups that went out to do an actual head count. And I think the 200 number was based on something like that. And the 571 is more transient in and out of homelessness, couch surfing, shelter.

during temporary housing. Sleeping in a car, somebody's sleeping on friends' couches. Technically, their house list, at least part of the year. I would like the number to be used 571 instead of the 200. It's more realistic.

Because when I'm building business models, I plan for the worst case scenario. And not the best case scenario. Now, we're at the 122 marker, and I swear we have to talk about the UBA. Eventually. We have to do right now. We need to highlight

some partners to make the program possible. I'd like to highlight 919 Druid Avenue. 919 Druid Avenue in Belmont, ladies and gentlemen, is a fantastic listing by Katie Mullins and team. It is four bedrooms, three and a half bathroom, 699,000 square feet. Open house,

ladies and gentlemen, on Saturday. Four bedrooms, three and a half baths, 2,197 square feet, walk to anything and everything. The house has been completely gutted and remodeled. 12 p.m. to 2 p.m. the open house. This is a deal. Ladies and gentlemen. Now, the UVA story. Set the stage, please. Judah Wickhauer.

So, in the last couple of years, since the change in policy at UVA brought on by Trump and the DOJ, They have, there have been some drastic, not drastic, there have been some changes in, in how the school goes about offering admissions. I would say drastic changes. You were going to use the word drastic. I'd say it's fairly drastic. Key finding.

Overall admissions became more selective after the 2023 affirmative action ban, and the offer rate dropped from 20.4% to 16.4%. Obviously, some of that is from. That's overall. So there are more people applying and they can't let them all in, so the numbers go down. However, the disparities show up a little bit differently in race, where black applicants saw the largest decline. Offer rates fell by 14, almost about 14 and a half percentage points. Hispanic applicants offer rates dropped by 8 percentage points.

White and Asian applicants had smaller declines of roughly around. around seven points, seven percentage points each. And black student enrollment decreased from 8.2% to 6.1%. And it's, I think it's an interesting discussion to have about what this means in terms of UVA. I think you're on point the entire show. What does it mean? What's your take on this?

You've crushed this show, you crushed yesterday's show. What's it mean? Thank you. I think what it means is that, I think what it means is that, as we've mentioned, there are more people applying, there are less spots to give more people, and the school now has to, I mean, I don't know,

I don't know what exactly, we haven't heard anything recently about the information that UVA is providing the DOJ, or the government. But I would guess that if someone sees something that they find not, my guess is that the applications are being poured over much more for merit than for any particular race, color, creed, or religion. 100%.

And so we're seeing the numbers change. Dude, I mean, think about it. If you're in the admissions office and there's admissions not based on diversity, equity, and inclusion. Admissions now based on grade point average.

If they're still doing that, yeah. Honors and AP classes, standardized tests. After school activities, yeah. Extracurriculars, and an essay or two. If anything, the admissions game has gotten a little bit more metric-based

in black and white, no pun intended. No pun intended. Okay. SAT, ACT, GPA, AP or honors, essay, extracurricular referral letter. Should the universe, go ahead?

So I think the question now, the numbers themselves, I don't think, mean a whole lot to us. It means a whole lot to us if your kids not getting into UVA and really wants to go there. And so the question now becomes, how do we get across all, whether it's sex, whether it's color of your skin, whether it's your religion, how do we get all of, how do we get those equal before it gets to the? applying to the college stage. I don't try that again. I didn't follow that.

So let's say we want, let's say we want these, all these offer rates equal so that, so that the offer rates to black applicants is roughly the same as the offer rates to Hispanic is roughly the same as the offer rates to white and that's DEI. It's DEI if the school is choosing who to let in based on trying to get those all equal. But what I'm saying is we need to ask that question before they get to. You're saying we need a game, we need a set rules. We need, no, we need to help elevate if there's, if the reason that there are less applicants getting offers in one particular area over another, because of, like you said, social.

Test scores and essays and things like that. How do we help them get those tests? Okay. I think what you're saying, and I'm succinctly. Okay. What you're saying is how do you empower the disenfranchise so they're on a more even playing field production and output-wise? Kind of. Yeah.

That's what you're saying. And my response to that is this. That's not UVA's role. I'm not saying it's UVA. The University of Virginia's job. where the conversation moves away from UVA. Fine, fine. Because UVA should not be choosing based on sex, race, or anything else.

Well, it can't now. Legally, it's entered into an agreement that Paul Mahoney signed, the former interim president of the University of Virginia, entered an agreement that diversity, equity, and inclusion is completely eviscerated, eradicated from the admissions process. He did that Paul Mahoney to preserve federal funding and to ensure no more. legal brouhaha with the Trump administration and the University of Virginia.

Okay. So we're in a contract right now as long as Donald Trump is in office. And so what I'm saying is that these numbers, because of that, are interesting to us to inform us. But like you said, the problem is no longer UVAs. The problem is now how do we get kids of all stripes to the same level before they get to college? Oh, that's a, I mean, that's a so many layers. to the union. I know. I'm not saying we're going to be able to be a single parent households, social economic status, the wealth of the family, SAT tutors, the willingness of parental oversight,

the public school, the quality of the education, the private school, the quality of the education. I mean, I took, I took the, can I talk about? Yeah, okay. I took the standardized test from the seventh grade at on. Okay, huge advantage. Okay. We're never going to solve that. problem okay do you you disagree you maybe you're right there's not a chance in ain't you double hockey sticks that society can solve the problem of even the playing field of of children from all walks of life and putting them on a playing field with the same set of rules that's that's just life some kids work harder than others some kids are born with learning disabilities some kids have

households of two parents, one parents. Some kids have access to education that other kids don't. It sucks, but it's Darwinism. Do you disagree? No, I don't disagree. I think mainly my point is that these numbers are an interesting talking point, but it takes the question out of UVA's hands in a way, and the question then becomes, okay, if you have a problem with these numbers, as I said, how do you change it before they get to the college?

Good luck. And there might not be an answer to that. Yeah, good luck. I'm just saying that this is where the numbers take me. Take your kids off screens. Make sure they do their homework. Sit alongside them while they do their homework. Make sure they're not skipping school to do protests that are not tied to them.

If they want to exercise their freedom of expression and their right to protest, do it before. or after school and not during algebra or APUS history. Get the SAT study book. They're fairly cheap. If you can afford a tutoring session, do that. Practice the test many, many times before taking it. I mean, you could do it. What Curtis Shaver is talking about this,

about the homeless shelter, and he's saying, with the homeless shelter of Tanya, really says I'm a D, I'm a dick. Thank you, Tanya Really. I appreciate that. That's her first comment on the show. Looks like it's a bot. Oh, it's a bot account.

Is she blangering? She's boo-langering. She's boo-langering over there. We got a boo-langerer. Tanya really is a bulangerer. It looks like it's a bot account anyway. Curtis says this, with the homeless shelter, which is what you said, you can build it.

But if you don't have the policy in play, no camping and no sheltering and no storage of possessions, the shelter's going to flop. We're in 100% agreement with that. It's like you can lead a horse to water, but will it drink? Same thing with students and grading and performance. You can lead a student to water, but will it lap up the resources to empower the student become better academic-wise?

You know what? I would say in 2026, it's easier to perform as a student than ever before. or because of technology and the internet. I disagree. How so? I'm sure you can get the answer easily at your fingertips, but that doesn't make you a smarter person. It doesn't help you in school unless you're allowed to get all the answers you want

from your handheld information machine. But having easy access to information is only worthwhile if you're going to take the time to actually use it to learn. It's like having a card file at a library. If you could just get the answer, if you could just find the card, get the book, find the place in the book that has the answer, you haven't actually learned anything.

You've just figured out how to find the information you need to. We're in a disagreement on this? This one makes the show great. Disagree with you here. I think it's easier in 2026 now to get wealthy than it's ever been ever in the history of the world. I think it's easier in 2026 now to get empowered with knowledge than it ever is in the history of the world. I think it's easier now in 2026 to become a top 10% student where the top public universities and private colleges and universities would be willing to admit you based on your performance than it's ever been.

You can take classes online that are collegiate in your spare time, open source academics, open source education, the ability to learn, to study, to prepare now is more significant, robust, ubiquitous, approachable, accessible than it's ever been. Yeah. When I was growing up... You still have to use the tool that's given to you. I mean, there's the difference between the winners and losers. Sometimes. Are you willing to put in the work?

Sometimes that's the solution. Are you willing to put in the work? Jason Noble. Jason Noble says Judah is a quality of opportunity oriented versus a quality of outcome oriented. I think I agree. See you again? Judah is a quality of opportunity oriented versus a quality of outcome oriented. Yeah.

What does that mean? That means that... You're saying everyone should have the same start of the race? everyone should have the same, yeah, the same opportunity at the beginning of things. That's not, that is. I'm not saying that, I don't think you're, I don't think you're getting it. Go ahead. Outcomes are all about, those are your, what do you call it, your trophy for, your participation trophies.

That's the equality of outcome. is that no matter what happens, everybody ends the race with a big old trophy. It doesn't matter what place you took. Some people would argue, I think, and sticking with the race visualization, some people would argue that people like you and me, white people, or men, or whatever, have, we're starting the 100-yard dash at the 50 yards down, whereas other people are starting back at the blocks. So I'm saying that everybody should start at the blocks.

That doesn't mean that you give people stuff. It just means that we're all starting at the same place. There's no equality of out-golding. come because we all get to the end of the line at our at whatever pace we're running at but none of us are starting halfway there already that's i'm not going to go deeper into it than that because i'll just end up uh rambling and and my you which is what you're doing and my response to that is this life is a fight for a knife in the mud life is a fight for a knife in the mud okay And some people are willing to fight harder for that knife.

And the people that are willing to do it are the people that are going to get ahead, whether or not they start at the starting blocks, 20 yards into the race, or 20 yards behind the starting blocks. All right. It's my take. And folks are going to be like, oh, the sperm and the egg connected in the United States. And as a result, that baby had a head start versus. the sperm and egg that connected in a third world country.

Or folks are going to be like, oh, the sperm in an egg connected and birthed a white male versus the sperm and egg connecting and birthing a... Yeah. You don't want to say blackmail. Something else. Right. Okay. Yeah, we get it.

The reality is that's your starting point. and you're nowhere near the finish line and you can make whatever finish line you want. I'm yeah. I think we're subtly arguing different things and not necessarily at head-to-head, loggerheads against each other.

You know what? Here's an interesting example. Here's an interesting example. And this is tied to us without getting personal in any capacity. Okay. You own a house has extra bedroom that could be rented if you wanted it to be. You choose not to.

Not to. I respect it tremendously. Respect it to medicine. You have a great place, urban ring, five minutes from the downtown mall. Five minutes from the downtown mall. Yeah. If you wanted to, if you wanted to, you could be. making another 1,500 a month to $2,000 a month.

Yeah. With a 5% escalator every year. If you want it to. Let's do a conservative, conservative modeling. $1,500 a month. You've owned that place for what? Seven years? Yeah, six.

Let's say it's longer than six. It's pre-cove. It's pre-COVID. It was. Because I remember negotiating this contract with you, offering some counsel, and this was well before COVID. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was, I believe it was mid-2019. It's been more than six years for COVID. Let's just call it for the sake of a conversation. Seven years. Let's do very conservative modeling.

Seven years times 12 months. It's 84 months. 84 months times conservative modeling, no escalator. 1,500 a month. You know how much of money that is? It's a fair amount of money. $126,000. $126,000. Just from renting out a bedroom in your place that you owe.

I respect the bejebus out of you. You're way smarter than me. talented than me. I sincerely your name. It comes to butt. There's no but. There's no butt. I respect that you don't want the $126,000. I've had roommates. I respect it. And my place is also... My first place.

I know. Same size as yours. That's not true. What's the square feet of your first? Your first place. 1,200 square feet. Something like that. Same size as my. You had three bedrooms.

Same. Still, same square feet? Were any of the bedrooms attached to each other through the bathroom? Yes. Were they? Two of them were. Chose to rent those out. Of course.

Of course. That's almost insulting right there. No, no, no, I'm not. That's a slur associated with capitalistic right there. What? That's not. Not at all how I meant. Of course.

Correcting. I apologize. That's not all how I meant, of course. I meant you, I meant I meant I don't want to rent, one of the reasons I don't want to rent my second bedroom is that my bedroom is connected to it via a bathroom. I totally get it. And I don't want. Having roommates is a sacrifice. Yeah. Okay. Same seven year period of time for me of owning that first place. Literally was in that condo for seven years. took that $126,000 and used that $126,000 to buy the second place in Redfields without selling the first place. Lived in the second place in Redfields, put $70,000 down, banked $56K. That 56K compounded to the tune of 9 to 10% and basic index funds. Lived in the Redfield's house for seven years, spiked 40 to 50%. 50% in value. Use that as a platform to get into commercial real estate ownership, the Glenmore House, now the Ivy House.

And it's all tied to the sacrifices made in the seven years at the bills at Southern Ridge. Life is a fight for a knife in the month. And that seven-year period of time, did I want the 1,200 square feet to myself? Of course. Guys, Jerry cannot live alone. I absolutely have and absolutely would live alone. Not now is because I have a wonderful wife and two wonderful boys, but have absolutely lived a love. That's an example, or metaphorically, of even if you start 20 yards behind the starting blocks at the race,

how you can pass the person that is 40 yards ahead of the starting blocks. Perfect example. It's about sacrifice. And to the University of Virginia topic with the students, from my standpoint, it should be a meritocracy. Yeah. Admissions into the one of the most premier public universities in the world should be based on merit. It should not be based on anything else besides merit. It shouldn't be based on if your parents went there, if your parents gave millions of dollars to the school. It shouldn't be based on a referral that you have from a dean or a big-time benefactor.

it should be based on merit, on output, on production. Because it's a right of passage to life. It's a right of passage to life. And once you get into this world that we live in, that's Darwinistic, where a flood of the Rivana River is going to take all your possessions downstream and you'll never see them again. Or you'll be in an encampment and your birth certificate and license will get robbed and you won't have an identity anymore.

Or you're going to have a food and beverage business during the pandemic. and you're going to have to take debt against the equity in your house just to make payroll and survive. Or you're going to have to figure out in the 18 years of running a business-to-business consulting firm pivots of three different varieties in that 18-year spread because the world's changing. That is effing life and allowing entrance into a university based on favors or historical travesties is not how life plays out. My two cents. All right.

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when we do have the dialogue. like this. Yeah. I thought you did well yourself. Thank you. Props to you. Thank you. That's the talk show. For Judah Wickhauer, my name is Jerry Miller. So long.