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#888 Why Bitcoin Is Good For America w/ Senate Candidate Blake Masters

March 29, 20220 comments♥ 0
00:00 what's up everyone this is anthony pompliano most of you know me as pomp you're listening to the pomp podcast simply the best podcast out there now let's kick this thing off blake masters is the former coo of teal capital he's also the co-author with peter teal of the book zero to one and he is now running for senate in the state of arizona in this conversation we talk about everything from bitcoin to nfts we talk about individual rights personal freedom and many of the topics that Blake is running on. I really enjoyed this conversation with Blake and I hope you enjoy it as well. Before we get into this episode though, I want to quickly talk about our sponsors. First up is LMAX Digital, the number one institutional crypto exchange. They offer
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03:11 you're all invited to a better future. Go check it out today and let me know what you think. All right, let's get in this episode. I hope you guys enjoyed this one. Anthony Pompliano runs Pomp Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only. All right. We've got Blake Masters, who's going to be joining us. As I mentioned, he's the former COO of Teal Capital. He's co-author of the book Zero to One, and he's now running for Senate in Arizona. Blake, how are you?
03:56 Good, Pomp. How are you? I'm doing fantastic, dude. I'm super excited about this. Let's start first with you pretty much had the opportunity to do whatever you wanted in business, in tech, etc. Why you want to run for politics and like how important is any individual political seat in terms of actually creating some sort of change in the United States? I mean, I guess I intend to find out, you know, I think a U.S. Senate seat is enormously more powerful than most U.S. senators give it credit for. Right. Just look at the cultural power of a Senate seat right now. You've got, you know, biological men sort of transitioning or whatever, competing on women's swim teams. And no, none of our leaders are talking about this. That's pretty crazy. You've got open borders.
04:41 You've got massive inflation because the government printed what, like six trillion dollars in the last year. And we've got a few good Republicans, I think, but like, man, not enough people are talking about this and really educating voters and helping people understand that, like the Democrat leadership in charge has failed. So obviously, a huge part of the job is passing the right bills, blocking the bad ones. But I think just the cultural power of deceit is kind of under underexplored. And I'm it's true. I had a really good gig with with Peter Thiel, you know, running his family office. but this just, this seems like the most important thing I could be doing. Arizona is a swing state. I think this Senate race that I'm in is going to determine the balance of power in the whole U.S. Senate. And it's, it's just important. I feel called to do it and I know I can win and
05:27 do a good job. So let's start maybe with the economic kind of situation. Obviously it seems like our debt ceiling just goes up and up and up regardless of who the president is. But with that, we're living right now with 8% inflation in the official numbers, unofficially, probably somewhere in the teens. What's your general read in terms of kind of the mistakes that have been made to get us here? And then like, what is the solution, right? I think part of what a big portion of the American people, they feel like politics is just arguing all the time. And I think one of the things that has been part of your approach, which I think is pretty effective is like, hey, there's real solutions that could be pursued, whether we do it or not is up for debate. But how do you
06:10 think about getting out of the economic situation that we're in? Right. Well, one, it is kind of hard to put the cat back in the bag here, right? The simplest thing we can do on the inflation front is to stop printing so much money. It's totally unsustainable. Our national debt's passed $30 trillion now. And I get the sense that Republicans, who used to be sort of hawks on this, kind of, they're not watching anymore. It's kind of just like, well, you know, and now you have modern monetary theory, right? The pseudo academic jargon that just says, oh, it's, you know, doesn't matter. We owe it to ourselves. You can sort of get away with this for as long as you want. And I really fear that's not true. You mentioned official inflation at 8%. Yeah, sure.
06:49 If you define the basket of goods to exclude, you know, food, energy, right? Gas prices. I think the real Costco basket probably costs 20 to 30 percent more than it did last year. And so for a lot of people who opine about inflation and the opinion making classes, inflation is just an annoyance or economic abstraction. But for so many voters that I meet on the campaign trail in Arizona, this is like life and death stuff. This is existential. So you've got to stop printing so much money and we've got to get people back to work. When you start to think about things like wages uh real estate prices it feels like uh inflation obviously people think in the consumer good space but wages haven't kept up uh also things like the cost of a home the average home
07:35 in america i think just cost over five hundred thousand dollars which is you know pretty insane number when you think about what that means um is the ideas really around uh hey the government should stop printing and then like how do you think about things like financial education right And it feels almost, I always say that like the gap between those that are benefiting in this situation and those aren't, people would like to draw the line around wealth, but really it's an education gap. Like some people know how to benefit from this environment by holding investable assets, et cetera, and then 45% of Americans don't. So how do you think about like the overlay of the education for personal finance, et cetera, with a lot of this? I was just touring a charter school in Arizona, and I was blown away because they have a year-long program. the first semester is personal finance and the second semester is entrepreneurship.
08:23 And two things are remarkable. One, that's just a really cool program, right? And I got to talk to some of these kids in the entrepreneurship class and you could just see how happy they were to be there, right? And they were starting all these micro businesses and you start with nothing and you try to see if you can end the semester with like 500 bucks or whatever. So what a valuable thing that is, but then the most remarkable thing about it is how rare a program like that is right. And I think in the first, so you got like, uh, 11th graders, they're listening to Dave Ramsey, you know, um, they, they've never heard any of this stuff before. They don't know what a checkbook is, let alone how to balance it, um, for them, you know, and increasingly we're in
09:00 a cashless society. So maybe some of them know about crypto, but mainly it's just, you know, put it on the parent's credit card and they don't, they're not acquainted with this stuff. Um, they're not learning it in school. And so I think that that one gem of a program could be some kind of model like bring back home ec right bring back financial literacy class bring back shop class while we're at it but school should be useful instead of just graduating a bunch of people that don't have any skills yeah it's uh it's pretty incredible i've got a friend who uh he's been rolling up a bunch of uh electricity uh or like electrician uh businesses and his whole uh thesis is that the trade schools aren't cranking out as many electricians it's not this
09:40 sexy job uh but it's a high skilled job that you basically need to be trained on uh and there's you know probably the last thing when it comes to construction that's going to be automated away is like how do you do the uh electrical work in a home and so he's like look you know basically there's going to be a mismatch of supply and demand and i'm going to go buy all these businesses so i think that there's many you know uh kind of implications of this uh talk to me about bitcoin and kind of the crypto market i know that uh that is now pretty much entered into the economic conversation, because it seems like there's an entire generation of kids who, you know, they might not be so interested in bonds or stocks or gold. And Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies
10:14 is pretty much the entire piece of their financial portfolio. Well, I think it's here to stay. And I'm grateful for that. You know, just non-politically, I'm sort of amateur enthusiast about all this stuff. I've been into it for a number of years. I used to run a program called the Teal Fellowship. And Vitalik Buterin, of course, who founded Ethereum, was a 2015 Teal Fellow. So we were smart enough at the time to recognize his talent and welcome him into the program. I wish I was smart enough to participate in the ETH ICO, but I did not do that. But I think this stuff is super innovative and putting a political lens on, I think there's even an argument, and I admit this is just a theory, I'm not sure it'll turn out this way, but there's at
10:55 least an argument why Bitcoin specifically could be really good for the US dollar. Usually I hear people in political discourse, frame them as sort of antagonists, necessary adversaries. And you can sort of see why, right? Because, of course, central bank digital or central bank currency like the US dollar is centralized and controlled and sort of inherently inflationary. Contrast to Bitcoin, obviously decentralized. No one government can control it, non-inflationary or even deflationary. But I actually think that Bitcoin could be the one technological check on the Fed and maybe just the one check on the Fed.
11:33 Like I want to get into the U.S. Senate and provide a political check on the Fed because I think things have just gotten out of control. But what if I can't do that? Right. What if the U.S. Senate at this point just can't exercise meaningful political control over the Fed? Then wouldn't you like something like Bitcoin, this uncancellable digital decentralized protocol? well, why wouldn't that actually just make policymakers more disciplined? Because if you can print $6 trillion, well, maybe you can get away with that if you're the world's reserve currency and there's no other option. But now in Bitcoin, investors finally have a decentralized option. And so my hope is, as the Fed sees, now if they just continue to print money, you're going to get tons of inflation in USD and investors are going to flock to digital gold.
12:15 not a perfect metaphor, but a decent one. Maybe Bitcoin in its very existence will tell our policymakers, hey, you got to put on the brakes here and actually shore up our financial system. Again, maybe an optimistic hope, but it is my hope. Yeah. Talk to me a little bit in terms of when you say the Bitcoin kind of market or investors and their relationship to the U.S. dollar, how Bitcoin could potentially help the U.S. dollar. How do you think that that could work? Well, simply by stopping inflation, right? I don't think you can print as much money in a world with Bitcoin. If you're a central banker, if you're running the Fed, I don't think you can print as much USD as you could without Bitcoin, right? It's kind of scary to imagine a
12:59 world where the US dollar is no longer sort of automatically the reserve currency, but I think we're getting there. We're getting there geopolitically, and we're getting there technologically with Bitcoin and the rise of crypto. So yeah, I'm not an investment advisor, but I do think people should own some part of their net worth in Bitcoin. And I think when more and more people do that, and right now I think cat's out of the bag, like Bitcoin is here to stay. I think that could exercise a huge disciplining function on US policymakers. And if not, then Bitcoin is just going to, I think the dollar will eventually crash and Bitcoin or something like it will be the safe haven.
13:36 Yeah. Talk to me about big tech censorship. I know you've spent a lot of time, obviously, in Silicon Valley talking with both employees, people who start businesses like this. And it feels like the tide has turned a little bit. And maybe the way that the average citizen thinks about these platforms is not the same as it was 10 years ago when they were considered startups and the darlings of business coverage. What's the thoughts there in terms of how do we fix some of these problems? They're not startups anymore. They are so big that I think they need to be regulated as public utilities. And everybody wants to freak out. Actually, very few people freak out, but it's academic. It's the libertarian economic theorists. They freak out and they're like, Blake, you could not regulate Facebook. Facebook's a private company. You can't regulate it. And I say Facebook may be nominally private, although functionally, it's so entwined with the Biden White House. The Jen Psaki just tells Facebook what to take down because that's COVID misinformation. We can't be spreading that disinformation. So Facebook's not even that private, but even if
14:35 you can see that it's private, it's still so big and so powerful that I think you've got to take a look at it and recognize it's not a local bakery. It's not a small or medium business. This is a global communications utility with hundreds, actually billions of people, right? Probably over a billion people on Facebook at this point. And when you let a handful of multinational corporations, I think it's like the new town square, right? They control the flow of information in a society, in a real sense, when you let them just do whatever they want around election time, I really worry that you can't get a free and fair election. So I think it's crazy that they ripped off President Trump, Facebook and Twitter did. They censor Marjorie Taylor Greene. I don't
15:14 care if you love her or hate her politics. She's still an elected official and deserves that platform and shouldn't be silenced just because her views are to the right of people at Facebook or whatever. And so I think you've got to regulate these companies as common carriers, just like the phone company, right? The phone company can't listen to you and me and say, Ooh, they're talking about Bitcoin. That makes us uncomfortable. Let's disconnect them. They'd probably love to do that, but they're not allowed to do that. And so why on earth shouldn't we treat Facebook and Twitter the same way? Yeah. One of the things that's, uh, that's fascinating to me is, uh, I think it was Naval, uh, maybe, or somebody tweeted and was like, if you can silence the King, you are the
15:49 King, uh, in terms of this thought process of like, uh, at what point does power kind of coalesce, in a society. And it used to be very much in the monarch days at the king or queen level and other types of government organizations. There's authoritarian leaders and all this stuff. But now there is very much a deep collection of power at many of these platforms. And so if we think about Facebook and Twitter, I think that's gotten a lot of the conversation in America given its interaction with politics. But if we go and we look at something like TikTok, I think that that now is becoming a bigger conversation in this, I don't know, maybe it's like a passive competition, battle, whatever you want to call it with China and the use of AI and algorithms and this like soft power. How do you think about something like a TikTok obviously being consumed very heavily, now the most popular website in the entire world, but maybe doesn't align necessarily with some of the American way of either thinking or trying to actually roll out these technologies?
16:52 Yeah, I think I think we should ban TikTok. The Trump administration was close and didn't didn't quite get it done. But I think we probably should just because it's I think all that data goes back to the CCP are functionally and successful to them. And it's really crazy, like the scale at which we are allowing our young people, teenagers and even preteens to to just chronicle their lives, to upload their faces and their behaviors and their backgrounds to the Chinese Communist Party via TikTok. Which they say, you know, has an American subsidiary. So don't worry about it. But no, actually, it's a Chinese company. I think TikTok is probably unhealthy in other ways, you know, but if it were a Swedish company, I'd have way fewer concerns. What's the thought process? So like, let's say everyone uploads all this information. Like, what's the concern with them having it? Is it more so that they build a database and they're able to exploit it in some way? Is it the programming of children's minds? Like, just talk to me a little bit more in terms of... bit the latter more the former like i don't know i'll be honest i don't know exactly what uh what china is doing with this data um but i but i bet it's not good and to me it seems kind of like an
18:02 own goal uh to be giving it to them and again the scale is just i think orders of magnitude more um than than what most people think uh so so i don't know but it just it doesn't it doesn't seem good like china is the geopolitical rival um i you know we're already in a cold war with china And let's pray that we sort of win that so that it never becomes a hot war in, you know, 10, 20, 30 years. But they're the geopolitical rival. And so to take a whole generation's, I mean, literally faces, expressions, behaviors, voices and give that over to the Chinese Communist Party. That seems a little foolhardy to me. At least we should be investigating it and really wondering like, hey, let's let's quantify and actually describe what's the problem here. what's the solution but you sense that the biden administration is just uh laissez-faire they don't care at all yeah one of the things we talked about is this idea that uh in china they actually shut
18:56 off the ability to watch entertainment content after a certain hour of the day uh and pretty much you can only watch you know stem type uh informational or educational content in the united states you know hey whatever dance whatever like you know have at it and in some way are you uh programming has like this negative connotation but like are you essentially corrupting minds right or teaching uh kind of just stupid stuff in comparison uh it's definitely a conversation as well uh well and the chinese model doesn't work for us like we don't want to do that we don't want to say you can only play video games for two hours a day and then you have to because that's too dystopian it's it's too heavy-handed right we're not a totalitarian society or at least we
19:34 shouldn't be we're kind of inching that way obviously um but there's something there's something to that policy goal uh it's something to recognizing that like what's that i saw a tweet the other day. It was like, your children are being indoctrinated. The question is by who and where, right? Your children are learning a religion. The question is which one and who's teaching them. And so everybody's being programmed. Young people are being programmed. And the question is, is there any intentionality behind it? And right now, I think there's not in the United States. I've got two of my brothers here. What questions you guys got? Hey, Blake, thanks for coming on. My question would just be around big tech again, and the suppression of free speech
20:10 and the censorship that we've seen over the last several years, if we continue down this path, right, say nothing changes and we continue this way, what do you think the end outcome is for us? I think, you know, even more than the social media companies, I'm worried about banks, you know, right now there's some sort of a callous humor to it, but like in two years, what if you can't like use your credit card to get a meal? If the banks cross-reference, you know, your identity with your Twitter feed and they're like, Ooh, you know, you're politically a little bit too right for, for, for our platform. And then if everybody does that, you know, you could,
20:43 you could actually imagine political repression at the, at the banking level, right? What if you've come home to find a letter saying your mortgage has been canceled because of this problematic thing, you stood up for the due process rights of the January 6th trespassers. But that's sort of, you know, it's not what our regime approves of and therefore it's Wells Fargo or whatever. That's not what we approve of. And so your mortgage is canceled.
21:05 that sounds kind of crazy, I admit, but like, I think we're one or two years away from that. I mean, look at what happened in Canada. Right. And so the centralized banking infrastructure, I think is pretty vulnerable to the same kind of woke takeover that we're seeing in social media. And then, you know, the sort of fortune 500 big business more broadly. And so I think getting into the U S Senate and writing like a financial bill of rights and a digital bill of rights, those are two huge priorities for me. John, what do you got? Blake, thanks for doing this. Nice to meet you. My question would just be around the geopolitical issues and things that are happening right now in the world. What are your thoughts around the sanctions that got levied on Russia
21:46 from the US and just in general? I almost wonder if it was too much right away, because then it feels like you kind of dump all those sanctions and you no longer have sanctions. I'm sure you could ratchet them up, but like kind of not, right? The only thing to do is to go and actually sanction the hell out of the oil and gas, which Biden didn't want to do. Germany didn't want to do because it would make domestic energy prices just skyrocket. But, you know, here's the thing with sanctions. They can they can be well tailored and they can get you what you want or they can be overbroad and counterproductive. And it's hard to know ex ante which you're going to get. The fear here is that these are so broad that you actually just push Russia, you know, totally, totally out
22:26 out of any sort of relationship with the West, and you just push them into the arms of China, right? And if they develop this, you know, this, this, this block with China, I think that's really bad. Going forward, what you wanted to do, and what we still need to do is use sanctions in a super targeted way to try to make make it hurt for Russia to have done this, you know, specifically make it hurt to Putin, because you want to give him, you basically want to give him to the negotiating table. You know, you can't have this conflict escalate into World War Three. You want a ceasefire. And so so, you know, supplying the Ukrainians and sanctions, on the other hand, those two tools that we have to force Putin to negotiate a ceasefire. And so if it's just too
23:11 ham handed, I think we'll push China, push Russia into the arms of China. That's kind of counterproductive. Blake, talk to us about two other things before I let you go. The first is in Arizona itself. What are some of the major issues that you're hearing from citizens as you talk to them in terms of what they care about and what they want to see changed? Yeah. I mean, the border crisis, you know, we do have an illegal immigration crisis. And I think it's actually really hard to wrap your head around. Like the scale, again, it's just so much bigger than people think. I think it's 225,000 people that we know about are coming in illegally every month through our southern border. Well, that's like 2.4 million a year. It's actually a little
23:49 bit more. And over four years of Biden-Harris, that's like 10 million illegal aliens, right? And so I think it's fair to call that an invasion. Obviously, some people are just trying to look for a better life and don't blame them individually. But it still doesn't give you the right to break our laws. And so many of them, of course, are carrying drugs. I mean, the fentanyl crisis is just out of control. So people are just mad as hell about the open border. And it is a crisis that Biden caused. You know, it wasn't perfect under President Trump, but it was pretty damn good in September of 2020. Those Trump administration policies worked. And then day one, Biden cancels continuation of the border wall. He rescinds those policies and basically invites this crisis. And so I think that's top of mind to people. Election integrity is top of mind. Inflation is top of mind. What's really crazy, I mean, crime, homicide in Tucson, my hometown, is up 87% since 2019. In Phoenix, I think homicide is up 50% since 2019. And so there are all these issues. And it's almost hard to say, well, this is more important than this, because, you know, you could solve the border crisis. But if crime is still high, if inflation is still high, there's a sense in which things aren't working, right? You actually kind of have to solve all these problems. And it's astonishing how rapidly things are going downhill. Yeah. Talk to me also about you've taken a what I'll call unique and what seems to be working approach to the campaign trail.
25:07 The videos of you standing in the in the fields and pretty much one shot and you just delivering your message seem to be pretty powerful. How are you guys thinking about the way that campaigns are changing and the way that you communicate as a candidate to to citizens is evolving? Just trying to do what feels natural. You know, when I got in the race, there was a media consultant that I interviewed. who said, Blake, we never want you to say anything unplanned. And I almost thought I thought he was joking for a minute. And then I realized, oh, shit, he's serious. Like that's that is the advice that is the state of the art advice that candidates pay for, which is why everyone sounds so plastic. They sound so fake, you know, and I just think departing from the norm, right, just being authentic to me, like, why is it innovative to just go and do a single take and look at the
25:55 camera for 45 seconds and talk about a problem and a solution. Somehow in American politics in 2022, that's innovative. And the New York Times just wrote a hit piece saying that my videos, those videos you mentioned, sound too much like Tucker Carlson. So what do they prefer? The standard cliche stuff where there's flags waving behind me and electric guitars blaring saying like America's best days are right around the corner. I think people are tired of that. And And one reason why President Trump was so powerful as a political figure was whether you liked what he was saying or you didn't, you knew that he was telling you the truth. He wasn't lying. He was just saying what he thought.
26:32 So I'm getting out there every day trying to say what I think, let the chips fall where they may. And I think that's somehow really attractive to voters and why I'm getting traction in the race. Yeah, it's fascinating because as we move from what I'll call like an analog type economy to a digital one, the means of communication is very similar. I always joke that memes are just hieroglyphics in the digital world. But at the same time, there's this element of authenticity really separates. And you see that in business. You see it in finance. You see it obviously in politics as well.
27:02 And I think your point about like whether you agree with somebody or don't, the average American I think has like a really good bullshit filter of just like, hey, even if I hear the thing that I like to hear from this person, whether they're a business person or a candidate or whatever, but it feels like I'm being bullshit. bullshitted i do think that there's this like innate uh sense of just like i i'm good right and uh in some way if you really think about like uh the linear progression i would actually argue that the average american is getting better at identifying bullshit and the internet's been a huge piece of that of calling out whether it's you know large organizations governments whatever just being like hey like we're good we we don't need the uh the kind of uh song and dance we we have our own thoughts and uh we can expose a lot of this information it feels like the authenticity plays into that. I think that's totally right. Voters are just used to being lied to. They're
27:52 pissed off about it. And they just want someone who's not fake, you know, and it's like, look at why Bernie Sanders, I think before they stole the nomination from him in 2016, look at why he got traction, right? And I hate Bernie Sanders politics, like he is just wrong about everything. But at least he's a little bit more honest than say, Hillary Clinton, right? Trump was just saying the election that people deserved in 2016 was Trump versus Bernie. Because at least both those guys were honest enough to say like hey this what's ever happening right now that doesn't work and bernie wants to go far left and then we should talk about why that doesn't work and trump had a much better uh set of solutions but like that's more honest and that authenticity broke through
28:28 like listen to bernie on joe rogan right he does not sound like hillary clinton who's perfectly practiced and polished and manages to say nothing at all yeah i i tend to uh to think of this as like uh also we're getting a a huge swath of people and i would put myself in this which is like a centrist independent. I want to make my own decision on each individual thought. Whereas maybe my parents or my grandparents, it was very much like you vote with the party line, regardless internet has some impact on that. Uh, but if you take that view, it's like, you know, take maybe AOC and Trump, there's almost no overlap at all in any sort of, uh, political position or thought process, but they both understood how to use digital platforms. They both were super authentic
29:09 in terms of they at least said what they believed. And you can see that they built these bases of individuals who say, hey, look, that's the candidate that I want to back, whether it's for whatever race. So I definitely think this is the world where the world is going, at least. Before we let you go, one of our sponsors is 8Sleep. What's your sleep schedule in terms of, I know you're running around the whole country, basically.
29:30 What's that been like and how has that changed from being more in the business tech world to now in the political race? Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I'm hanging in there probably about six hours average a night, a lot of hotel rooms, which is not so good. I wish they had the eight sleep beds in the hotel rooms. They don't. I also have a two-year-old. And so it's, you know, when you have small children, your sleep is totally dependent on whether they choose to have a good sleep or not. So it's a mess, but I'm a big fan of, of eight sleep. Yeah. Blake, I got a four month old daughter and like, I used to hear people
30:01 say like, Oh, small kids sleep, whatever. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I gotcha. It's like a whole new education, right? Yes. Yes. Hang in there. Yeah. That's all right. Um, awesome. Where can we send people to find you on, uh, on the internet or find out more about, uh, the campaign and what you guys are doing? Absolutely. Thanks. Yeah. People can go to blakemasters.com, which is my campaign website. We also have a cool NFT offering right now. You can go to ZTO NFT.com, release some nfts relating to the uh the book zero to one that peter teal and i wrote together so zto nft.com and uh blakemasters.com and thanks for having me on absolutely so blakemasters.com and then ztonft.com is where they can go get the nfts with the book yes sir awesome man well listen thank you so much
30:46 for uh for taking time to do this and uh we'll definitely have to bring you back after you win your uh your senate race sounds good thank you guys all right later buddy thanks so much for listening to today's episode. I really hope you guys enjoyed this one. Make sure you're subscribed on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player. And if you're looking to try to transition to get a new job in the Bitcoin or crypto industry, we've got you covered. Head over to palmscryptocourse.com. We've developed a curriculum with the top teams across the industry. It's a three-week intensive training program with over 50 events packed into that three-week time period. Go to palmscryptocourse.com to learn more, and I'll meet you guys for the next episode.
31:25 Thank you.