The Ryen Russillo Podcast - Chiefs Are Champs Again, San Fran’s Mahomes Problem, and the OT Decision Debate With Todd McShay

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Ryen opens the show by recapping another Chiefs Super Bowl victory and what moment cost the 49ers the Super Bowl. Who actually plays the position better, Pat Mahomes or Tom Brady (00:34)? Todd McShay joins the pod and discusses how Mahomes has adjusted to not playing hero ball (16:19). Plus, Life Advice! A guy is upset by who his girlfriend's celebrity crush is, and Kyle has a Valentine’s Day Life Advice question (1:02:06). The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Host: Ryen Russillo Guest: Todd McShay Producers: Cliff Augustin, Steve Ceruti, and Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Super Bowl. The Chiefs are your winners. I'm going to break a bunch of it down, probably do a little Mahomes stuff, like are you serious with this, and then an even deeper dive with our guy Todd McShay, and then we're going to do one feedback and three life advice questions for you. So enjoy. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Winter is here, so be prepared and get almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. What do I mean by almost anything? Well, you can't get a ski slope, but dish soap, definitely doable. Sunshine, that's no. A bottle

of wine, yeah. And a snow day, again, no. But blueberry muffins with the delicious crumb topping, total yes. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Congrats to the Chiefs, Super Bowl winners over the Niners last night. Let's break down a bunch of stuff from the game. Stuff that I thought was really important here and kind of some of home stuff here at the end. Alright, so opening

drive. San Francisco. We knew with their zone run concepts and that number that I gave you out Friday that Kansas City is actually really bad against some of this stuff. I don't even know if it was just strictly that. I thought San Francisco over the course of the majority of the night last night did an unbelievable job of just looking different all the time

and making Kansas City's awesome defense and that incredible secondary and a really good group of linebackers and the D-line had their moments last night too. That's a really good defense and I just think San Francisco does a terrific job of making you think about a million different things all at once in the same place, looking different before they even start.

That opening drive, it looked like San Francisco was going to score. Then McCaffrey fumbles. I think that was points there. I really do. I thought it was huge. Then on the other side, if you get Kansas City, you're like, all right, all this momentum for San Francisco in a building that felt a little quiet. That's why I like the conference championship games better than the Super Bowl. I just was dead in there.

Or the audio feed of it is just too muted for the broadcast. But Kansas City goes three and out, so even though you feel like you lost points on it, it's not like they came right back and scored and then all this momentum ended. By the way, for Kansas City not scoring on their first possession last night, it would have been the first time in nine games

that they didn't score in the opening possession of the playoff game. So eight straight games prior to this, going back to last year in the playoffs, the Chiefs scored the first time they touched the football. They go three and out after the fumble. San Francisco D-line's the story of a good chunk of this game, until it wasn't. But this group that I hold to this standard that I think should be even better because of the names and because of the talent, and then sometimes wondering like, hey, is this guy just toast or is this guy overrated or whatever?

But when I watched Mahomes for so much of this game, and you could see it early on, the Niners are getting pressure and changing the pocket with just four, which means the coverage is going to hold up because they're able to drop all of these guys back on top of having Kelsey, who's going to be underneath, and Rice really only being the big, deep threat that they liked, and then trying to just balance it out with Pacheco,

where I thought they had some rush attempts with Pacheco. I'm like, why are you guys just trying to run this right up the middle? But I think it was just about keeping the Niners honest, that the Chiefs were still going to break that out like they had throughout all of these playoff games. Just when you think we might get a little pass happy with Mahomes, we're going to still hand it off and run it right at you, so you're still thinking about it a little bit.

But I could tell, I go, this game is going to be hard. This is going to be a tough one for Mahomes to win because there wasn't the constant comfort. Very few times last night it felt like he was in this perfect rhythm up until a possession in the second half, and then clearly when he won the thing in overtime. But it was just a great effort from this D-line for the Niners that at times I felt had been underwhelming against Green Bay and against Detroit. This is the best game that they

played in the playoffs. So in the first quarter, the yardage totals were San Francisco 125, Kansas City 16. At the half, it's 10-3. Long halftime show. You go in. You think the Chiefs are going to come out. They probably feel like they should have been down 17-3 at least in this one. It's the first position for the Chiefs. Me, like everybody else, is probably like, all right, they're going to figure this thing out. Then they throw a pick. It was a bad pick from Mahomes.

I know what he was trying to do on the right side there, but he just overshot Kelsey. It really wasn't even close. It ended up just being a bad throw, something you wouldn't expect from him, considering how clean he usually is in the playoffs. So then San Francisco gets bogged down themselves. I know a lot of this ends up becoming a play-calling thing because they get a little pass-happy here.

San Francisco, 3-3 and outs to start the second half. The first two were six straight play-calls of a pass. There was a run there, but that was six pass play calls. And then they ran it on first down on the third possession where they went three and out. But then they were second, third, and ten. So it's eight and nine pass plays on those first three possessions, and you're immediately punting the football.

But there were a lot of times last night too, whether it was Kansas City and the fumbles and the bad snaps, that was a little bit more consistent than I think they'd even said on the broadcast, something we even noticed against the Baltimore team. I don't know, there's a lot of low snaps in homes. Anyway, that whole stretch, there just felt like there were a lot of possessions for both teams where they were way behind the sticks. We're like, all right, the penalty here, false start. It wasn't like a crazy penalty game, but just whether it was something out to the flat that got stuffed

or a run that would get stuffed, where I think the pass-happy part of this for the Niners was that they just weren't even in third and manageables. So I don't know that they abandoned everything that they thought was working in the first half. It just was a stretch of the game that I'm seeing a lot of people point to the next day being like maybe that's where they lost it i don't think that is i mean the single biggest play it's it's 10-6 all right kansas city's now gone 17 straight playoff possessions without a touchdown

that's not including the baltimore kneel down at of that game. I mean, to think that you're going to hold Mahomes in any point of his career to 17 straight playoff possessions without scoring a touchdown seems impossible, but it's 10-6. There's 2.42 left. Kansas City's punting again, and San Francisco fumbles the punt, or it's a pump fumble, but it actually hit somebody, and then there was an attempt to recovery, and now it's Kansas City's football at San Francisco 16, one play, touchdown MVS, now it's 13-10. And you're like, wow, how did this happen? Like, what? Like, they're winning?

That's the biggest play of the game last night. And I know later on with the importance on the overtime plays and all the different stuff, you could pick something else out. But I just, I don't think anything was bigger than that because at that point, the Niners were still in control. Kansas City's offense hadn't really been able to do all that much. And you gift them field position of being 16 yards out and they strike immediately. Then it turns into a field goal fest. By the way, San Francisco, prior to the field goals, came right back down. They had their touchdown, 6-0-6, 12 plays, but they missed the extra point. That then changes everything that Kansas City's thinking about late, where you're

driving with the clock winding down. You're driving for three instead of driving for seven. It's completely different. At one point, I think all of us were probably thinking Kansas City's going to win it there. They didn't. They go to overtime. The overtime rule. A lot of confusion on this. I'll admit even last night, I wasn't 100% sure.

I was like, wait, what are we doing again here? San Francisco takes the ball in overtime. I'd rather have it second with the new overtime rules, but I don't think it means you're the dumbest person ever if you take it first here once we kind of all understood it. Because San Francisco scores a touchdown, Kansas City can score a touchdown. Kansas City said that they were going to go for two, but if a team wasn't, I think there's some other teams that wouldn't go for two there, knowing that they could lose it on the two-point conversion and have everybody

just crush you for doing it. But the math would tell you to do it because then if you win it, the 51% chance you get of getting the two points, you're eliminating the next possession because you've won the game, right? The game is now over. In this case, if you went seven, seven, right?

Six points and the extra point, I think we're all on the same page here. San Francisco would actually get the next possession and then they could win it with a field goal and the extra point i think we're all on the same page here san francisco would actually get the next possession and then they could win it with a field goal and the game would be over so when i was looking at the people that study this they're like the difference is pretty negligible on what it means where maybe depending on the team you'd go i'd like the ball first so that way i know at least i'm getting the next possession and can win it in the final possession. I would personally rather have fourth down in play for me by going

second, kind of like the college overtime rules where it's like, let me know what you do first, and then I'll call my offense based on what you did or didn't do. So with Kansas City, even if the Niners end up not, you know, look, they kick the field goal. So now you can play it a little bit differently. You know, you're down, so you can't just give up the possession. But you know, three's in the back of your head. And whereas if the Niners had scored seven points on the opening possession and overtime, you know, no matter what, like fourth and eight, you're going for it. Or so means on third and 12, maybe you go to fourth and five because you don't feel like

you're playing in this unknown game scenario like the Niners are. So I would have rather had the ball second, but I think when you look through all of it, there's at least some fair arguments to be made about what the Niners did or didn't want to do there. The bad part is all the stuff that's come out where the Niners apparently didn't prep for this whatsoever

in comparison to the Chiefs, who had said, we talked about it in training camp, we saw the new rules, and we had already mapped out that if it were seven points for San Francisco, that Kansas City was going to go for two to even eliminate that final position there for the Niners. So there's just a lot of stuff there. Look, in third and 13, I thought the game was over,

and then they get a hold, which was the right call, against the Chiefs, and Purdy gets all the way down to Kansas City's nine, but they have to settle for the field goal after just, I think, Spagnuolo doing a terrific job of dialing up pressures at the right time and just changing the amount of time that you're going to have to be able to throw there. It looked like some people were going to be open

on that final possession or that final pass play on third and nine before the field goal attempt, but there just really wasn't that much time. And then what happens? Mahomes happens. 75 yards, 13 plays, 719. The clock explanation was too late. Touchdown, Super Bowl winners, back-to-back.

First time in 19 years. too late, touchdown, Super Bowl winners, back-to-back, first time in 19 years. I think San Francisco lost to the only guy that would beat them last night, and that's Patrick Mahomes. I mean, sure, there's another team that could go the length of field in overtime and beat you, but the guy that's likely going to do it, despite some of the times that they haven't done it. But when I went through those Mahomes games where they weren't able to come back and they lost the ball on downs in those four losses, it was usually something else stupid that happened and it wasn't necessarily Mahomes making the wrong decision.

So when it was 10-3, you knew it. You're like, this game should be, they should be up more. I still think the punt fumble is the biggest play of the game. I mean, you could say, wait, don't leave out Pacheco's fumble is the biggest play of the game. I mean, you could say, wait, don't leave out Pacheco's fumble because that was a big deal. It was at the nine-yard line on first down. But yeah, it didn't give the Niners the football back in the red zone. And look, I thought Purdy was pretty good last night.

There was that one throw that he had to McCaffrey late, was second down, all sorts of pressure, and he finds a way to get it to him. I just thought he did a really good job of moving around and extending plays. I think everybody should feel really good about Purdy, but if you're the Niners today, you're devastated because it's a Super Bowl loss. For some of the people that were around the last time they lost to Mahomes, feeling like, what's the deal? But I mean, join the list. Mahomes went through Buffalo at Buffalo at Baltimore and then beat a Niners team that looked defensively as locked in as they've looked all season long and really just clogged up the Chiefs offense for so much of last night. So when you think about

them being the first back-to-back team in 19 years to do it they're doing it with a guy that's now on a very short list of the all-time great quarterbacks as far as resumes he's got three super bowl mvps there's only three quarterbacks with that brady's got five montana's got three my homes as we mentioned, has his third one. Five quarterbacks with three Super Bowl wins. Brady's got seven. Mahomes has got – excuse me, Montana's got four. Bradshaw's got four. Aikman's got three, and now Mahomes. Mahomes is 15-3 at 28 years old. His playoff numbers, he completes 68% of his passes.

His ratings, 106. In the regular season, he completes 67% of his passes. His rating's lower at 103.5. So the guy gets even better. I mean, for somebody who finished seventh in MVP voting, I don't know that'll ever happen again when Dak finished second, but we know what the award is. It's not really what it is, but he didn't have the numbers to be in the MVP conversation when in reality, the list, the MVP award could be named after him for five years and then they give out something else to whoever came in second because there's just nobody more valuable than this guy.

I mean, it's not even close anymore. When I compare him to Brady, which is going to happen a lot, which I've already done, which is totally fine, 15 and three, as we said, from Holmes in his first 18 games, Brady was 14 and four, but that was at 32 years old. Brady won his third Super Bowl at 27. He won his fourth Super Bowl at 27. He won his fourth Super Bowl at 37. Pretty massive gap in there. Physically, in the beginning, it's just not even close. Mahomes is the better thrower of the football. There's other stuff going on that I probably don't understand

because I didn't play the position. But in the beginning with Brady, it was like Brock Purdy looked more physically gifted today than Brady did at the very beginning of his run with New England. Remember he had one touchdown pass in that entire playoff run of beating the Rams in New Orleans. And whenever I have to explain it now, I just, you want to feel old. Like, I feel like I'm explaining like, yeah, this is what it was like before electricity. This is how Brady looked. But the physical part of Brady changed pretty quickly early on with him. I mean, his second Super Bowl win, he threw it 48 times for 354 yards

and three touchdowns against Carolina. So it wasn't like when I hear like, oh, in the beginning it was Brady. Yeah, that first year it was defense and him not making mistakes because they didn't really let him do a ton of stuff, but that was over fairly short into his career. It wasn't like the first seven, 10 years of his career. He was just being helped by this defense the entire time. I mean, there's some of those past teams in the playoffs that defense actually wasn't even that good. And Brady was carrying everybody. I saw Brady make a throw in his final season against Carolina

and he threw it, what, 432 yards that game. He was 45 years old. There was a throw in that game that I thought was more physically impressive than any pass I ever saw him make his first year, when he was the guy, when he came in for Bledsoe. But within a year or two, he was dialing it up. And look, in his seventh season, or I think it was his eighth year, that's when he threw the 50 touchdowns, and they finished up 18 and one. So if you want to get into a, Hey, who actually plays the position better Mahomes or Brady, I'd probably agree with you on the Mahomes

part of it. Uh, knowing that there's some of the nuance and the pre-snap stuff that I don't always understand. But if you're just penciling in for Mahomes to match this resume, you're making a lot of assumptions. You're making a ton of assumptions about how sports work out. As great as we all realize this guy is. Brady had a 10-year gap, 27 to 37. That's how long it took him to get the fourth one. 37. That's how long it took him to get the fourth one. And with Mahomes, like this was the year he wasn't supposed to get this one. That's the problem. That's the problem for the Brady resume argument. Cause you're like, I don't know that my home is going to like, just keep it rolling. Cause that's not really the way sports work. The scary thing is he's probably going to have a better receiving room than he had this year. But if there was ever a point during a Mahomes season where you go, well, it might be a couple more years because it's not going to be this one when they're nine and six and are an average offense, and then they do it anyway. That's why all this stuff is in play.

okay it's the morning after the super bowl we get with mcshay on mondays and i ran through a bunch of things from last night but let's uh let's start with you i think early on the d-line part of it was like a huge part of what we were seeing from San Francisco. Like we've talked about it. You and I have talked about it. I've talked about it with other guests. Like what did you like about what you saw from the Niners' defense and how they were kind of controlling this? And I think more importantly, watching Mahomes drop back, you're watching and being like, okay, this is going to be tough.

Like this is going to be tough. There's just very little comfort on some of these dropbacks here. And it felt like it was a theme. And it was for two and a half quarters. It was extremely tough. I mean,ansas city didn't score a touchdown then score a point until the second quarter just kick the field goal then they didn't score a touchdown until what like two and a half minutes left in the third quarter so they you know they went a half without scoring a point kick the field goal early in the second half i should say and then and then late in the

third quarter they they get that touchdown. What I loved is, like, we've talked about it probably six or seven times over the course of the fall. You've got all these names, right? You've got Eric Armstead in the middle. You've got Kinlaw. You've got Randy Gregory who showed up out of nowhere, right? You've got Chase Young. You've got Nick Bosa.

Like, where have those guys been? And not only were they getting pressure, right? They were doing it with discipline, with gap discipline, which is the hardest thing to do. If you want to pin your ears back, as the old cliche is, and go after the quarterback, it's really hard to do that while staying disciplined and keeping your... And people always say, well, gap discipline. What does that mean? That means that you have to stay in your gap, like just outside the shoulder of the offensive lineman you're going up against on both sides.

You've got to control that so that when Mahomes decides to take off running or decides to climb the pocket and then shoot an A gap or a B gap or a C gap, you're still there. And that means you've got to work the offensive lineman with your hands. You've got to keep your eyes up versus it's like a wide nine, like that wide edge rusher that we all think about as a pass rusher. When you're just turning loose on a third and 13, you're not worried about inside gap outs.

What's the fastest way, basically with my eyes closed, to get from here to the quarterback? When you're doing it every single down against Mahomes basically with my eyes closed to get from here to the quarterback. When you're doing it every single down against Mahomes and doing it successfully, you've got to do it with power, with control, with your eyes up, studying, reading, holding the block, then working over, then working under the club, the rip, the dip, the swim, all those things. You've got to do it with discipline.

There's got to be a plan. It's got to be calculated, which makes it twice as hard to do if you're just flying off the edge and trying to go outside and move with speed. So the fact that they did that, and everyone's killing Romo today predictably, right? The one thing that I thought he did a good job of chronicling throughout the first two and a half quarters of that game in the Super Bowl was how they were bottling up Mahomes. And Mahomes loves it.

I mean, he's made his career, like some of his most brilliant throws, when the pressure comes, the tackles get sucked kind of to the outside, ridden wide, and then takes that quick step up, but then works to the outside, rolling right, rolling left. It's usually one or two steps up, then getting the outside. San Fran wasn't letting him do that. Every time he went to climb just a little bit and then get to the perimeter, someone was there. It led to a sack. It led to some throwaways. So that to me, it was like,

finally, we're seeing the San Fran defensive line that spent all those first round picks, that traded for players, that brought in agents. Like all those guys played to the level you would expect them to play. And then we've got Travis Kelsey, right? We talked about the two things going to the Super Bowl. You got to somehow contain Kelsey, limit the big plays, limit the third downs and fourth down opportunities. And then you got to take away Rasheed Rice in the cheap stuff, the quick game and with Kinlaw and with, um, some Kinlaw, uh, Greenlaw and with Warner, when they were both on the field healthy, they erased those guys.

I mean, Rice, you see Rasheed Rice, you see on the sidelines screaming at, at, you know, the offensive coordinator and teammates, you see Kelsey basically knocking over his head coach, Andy Reed. Like they were so frustrated because those linebackers, I'm not saying they did all the coverage, but they were critical parts of it. And we always knew, and they've always played to the level of greatness. That's best inside linebacker tandem in the National Football League.

So you've got this front four that's not getting pass rush help. They're not blitzing a lot. Like, it was a front four rush discipline but pressuring and then when Mahomes tried to get outside uh-uh and then the underneath stuff taken away and that to me that that dominated the narrative for this game for two and a half quarters and then unfortunately I'm not blaming it all on Greenlaw's injury but unfortunately he goes out I think you know late in the game they were the three and outs for the offense. There were three, three and outs in that third quarter. And then the muff punt, right? So now they're back on the field. So the defense was just on the field too much. And they started to wear down a little

bit. But to me, it wasn't the scheme as much as it was the personnel finally stepping up and playing to the level. The Kelsey play, man, if they lost that game, and I do think that because Kelsey's been around for a while with Reed, that maybe it gets played out a little different. I just think there's a lot longer list of players where if they're in a Super Bowl and it looks like they're slamming into their coach out of frustration of not being on the field,

it's treated a little bit differently, especially if it were a loss. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course. But I also think context is always important. That's kind of the nature of their relationship. We've seen that before. It hasn't looked as aggressive.

Kelsey clearly was frustrated, boiled up too much, a little bit too more than we've seen and let's face it andy reed probably not in the prime of his athletic career and got stunned like yeah i think he got scared well wouldn't you be if six six five two fifty five raging anger and like fuming comes up to you and you're you're like in your play sheet and all of a sudden so like it was just poor poor timing but more so like just the circumstances of it but yeah like you can spin that narrative however you want today but that's i you know i don't think even if they lost that game andy reed's gonna shrug that off in a heartbeat and and when they get back in the locker room and when they off season like that's not something they're spending a whole lot of time on that's just no relationship i don't

think that they are either okay so let's go to those now if mvs did it or cadarious tony after like the way they play like you know we're gonna treat everyone fairly but not equally i've had plenty of coaches who have used that phrase and nothing's truer in sports i'm going to treat everyone fairly all my players fairly but not equally let's include watson in that just to cover you yes sir all right uh let's talk about those first three and outs of the first three three and outs then from the niners like there was a lot of plays last night where i felt like the offenses were just behind the sticks i was like, so it's going to be tough to even get back to third and seven on some of this stuff. It's not necessarily the case there. Do you think that was San Francisco being too cute with it? Or do you think that was strictly like, hey, this is what we're seeing here and we're going to call eight of these nine plays

pass plays? If you go back and study in the first half, here's the thing you struggle with. Christian McCaffrey was held to 3.6 yards per carry. Give Spagnuolo, give that defense for Kansas City credit. That's the fewest, that's the least amount of yards per carry that he's been held to with their left tackle playing, with Trent Williams on the field so like what they did was very successful it's not necessarily though like the production or the chunk plays or the or the numbers you're getting from the run game it's forcing the opponent to respect it and so much of that off like when they came out early in the game it was you know the the zone re the zone run

then play action off of it it was like i think the first three plays i was like this is so like old school shanahan under center zone handoff zone fake play action then they came back the third play i forget if it was a run or not but like it just looked so much like shanahan it was almost like a tribute to what they what got them there you know in terms of his dad and him over the years. And then they went to shotgun and started going to more what we're used to seeing from Shanahan. But to the point, I was just surprised because it felt like there was a method to the madness. It's okay we're only averaging three, four yards per carry, but we're keeping them guessing.

And maybe it's a first down pass, second down run, try to flip it up a little bit, flip flop a little bit in terms of tendencies. But it got to the point in that third quarter where it was like pass, pass, pass. And all of a sudden Kansas City's like, all right, we got to get after the quarterback. And if you listen to some of the player interviews,

I think it was Chris Jones after the game said that the biggest emphasis at halftime interviews uh i think it was i think it was uh chris jones after the game said said that um you know the the biggest emphasis at halftime was from spags was listen like we wanted to come in get a feel for what they wanted to do not give up big plays early on and get ourselves in a hole but now it's time to ratchet it up so coming on the second half like get get ready and he put all the emphasis on the secondary is what I was told, you know, was like, we are going to take chances. So know your assignments, be prepared, protect yourself vertically, vertically, because we're about to go on, on the attack, which they're so

used to doing, but they didn't necessarily do it at a high percentage. Like they did, you know, in the first half, like they have for most of the year. So to me, the combination of just aborting the run in the third quarter and Kansas City at the same time with Spag saying, this is when we're going to dial it up. It was just the wrong timing. And so now all of a sudden the third quarter is over, three and out, three and out, three and out, punt, and then they muff the punt.

And so like was it was a mess it was a mess of a situation and and really like you to me i don't know about you i felt like at halftime it was 17 nothing 17 three it felt like that kind of game but you looked up and like even coming back and hear romo and nance like like, I don't know, can they come back from this? Because Kansas City wasn't doing anything. And most importantly, Sam Fran was winning in the trenches on both sides. And by coming out and throwing the ball, what was it, like you said, eight of nine times, I think, in the third quarter, it prevented them from leaning in on what they did so well in the first half. Yeah, I said the exact same thing. It felt like it should have at least been 17 to three or something at halftime. But then, you know,

Mahomes comes right out and throws a pick, makes the worst decision he's made the entire game, which speaks to the D-line stuff that we're talking about. And I felt like that was a very classic, like frustration interception where... 100%. i just went back and looked at it like he's frustrated let me just explain like he doesn't make that throw anytime in the first half it was like hey we need to come out and have this first possession we were in this touchdown drought so let me let me force it in there and that raising risk even though they didn't really need to based on the score i mean there's no reason to raise the level of risk i think that was a hey we can't we can't just punt the ball right back um and not not pick up any of this break momentum but you said you just broke it down so tell us

what you saw yeah i mean and there's i'd like to tell you about some like exotic coverage that it was a classic case of a guy in mahomes who has been brilliant. We can get to Mahomes and kind of the transformation, but he has been brilliant in adjusting from the hero, I'm going to beat you with my physical tools, the chaos, Sandlot, whatever you want to talk about it, to this year, hey, we're damn good on defense. We've got a pretty good interior offensive line. We can run at times when we, i've got to protect the football and what was it like seven postseason games coming in the super bowl he hadn't thrown a an interception he had he had learned that he's got to reel it back in and the importance of

protecting the ball but it got to him the moment got to him and he just he saw a tight window frustrated it was boiling up i'm gonna take over this game and he made a tight window frustrated. It was boiling up. I'm going to take over this game. And he made a decision that was poor because he was pressing. And then a throw that, that was just uncharacteristic. I mean, one out of a hundred balls comes out like that. And that, and I think like as a former quarterback, not, you know, obviously not a good one, but playing the position, when you overthrow the ball, there's typically one of two, well, three reasons.

One is you can't step through in your arms here. But emotionally, it's either you're coming, like early in the game, you see a lot of overthrows on deep balls, excitement, big game. And then also frustration. When you're frustrated, you don't miss low. You miss high. And you can tell the frustration from that throw. Yeah, that's a great great uh explanation of it because i didn't i didn't feel like it was anything where it's like oh he didn't see something he saw it he knew what he saw but yeah the throw store wasn't very good all right let's talk about the transformation of him because you know when we

were talking with acheman on friday and you know i bring it up as the guest unfortunately the audience has to hear me repeat it all the time, but we spent all these years watching the sport and watching this position in particular and just not really understanding why one guy is a lot better than the other guy, even if the numbers are talked about in the past about, he just wasn't this guy. He was a physically gifted thrower, but there's a reason why there was nobody was talking about him going number one in the draft, despite what he's become. Yeah. I mean, mechanically, he was all over the place coming out of college, right? Texas Tech. The biggest thing that I talked to him about, because I've said this before, I did preseason games for the Chiefs for a couple of years. you'd have those the opportunity when like you know talking to Andy and talking to Pat and like they they're more like loose and open and kind of just talking about things rather than like we got a game and here we go and we're you know week six so just talking to him and to Andy

and talk about the importance of Alex Smith and having the year and being developed as the starter, but, but not with the pressure of the starter. And I always bring up the story, but it's just, it's anyone who's played the position or has played the sport. Like he said, he was laughing about it. He's like on a good day, Todd, like I was like 60% identifying the mic minute, meaning the middle linebacker, which is something most college guys can do pretty easily some high schools are probably are very likely doing that at this point it's just all right he's the middle linebacker so now we can set our protections based off of that the offensive line can go from there so um and he was just laughing so he's like i just wasn't ready and to have a quarterback and alex smith who like was one of the smartest guys out there

not only having that brains and to be able to see him, but be willing to coach me on where we are. But then he gets the starting job and he's still learning. Now he's learning the position mentally, but as a backup, not playing. And now in the first year, and they go to the AFC championship game, I think it was 2018 and lost in the, I think in overtime. But in that year, it's all physical. You know, like he's still learning. You don't just go from not knowing the mic 40% of the time in practice to having all the answers pre-snap. And then 2019 got a little better. But like in the last two years, he has gone from that fastball pitcher that's going to come in and throw 105, whatever

it is, and just blow people away to like hitting spots, setting batters up. And at the quarterback position, that translates to understanding, obviously the protections, but pre-snap and looking at the coverage and not seeing what they're doing, but knowing the tendency. They're going to show a cover two shell here, but I know based off of all my tape study and what we've gone through they're going to they're the second the ball snap they're going to go to a single high or quarters or whatever it is so to see him mature to that level from that standpoint but also as I mentioned before like understanding that the hero ball is not going to work with this team that's so critical because when you're so used to in high school in Texas, at Texas Tech in college, early in your career in the NFL, that I can just, if everything's a mess,

that's when I do my best anyway, so who cares? To them being like, wait, this is a different team. I don't have Tyreek out there. We're not scoring 30-40 a game. We're scoring 17-24 and winning with great defense and being smart and a great field goal kicker and all that stuff. And to be able to make that transition at 28 years old, right? 28 years old. It's remarkable. And it just speaks to like the mental maturity that this young man had. Like a lot of guys could play for Andy Reid and get better, but to take it to this level is just remarkable. And like you and I lived in Boston, grew up in Massachusetts.

I wasn't a fan of the Patriots during their run. I was as a kid, but then I started working this business. But like I was every day living in Boston during the Tom Brady run. And so you turn on the local television, the news in the morning, you turn on the local television, the news in the morning, you turn on the sports talk radio when that was still like a huge thing

and driving around in your car and everything was about Brady. So like, I honestly, I didn't know if we would ever see someone make a run and have the success. I knew that there were more talented. Like you can make it, Aaron Rodgers was more physically gifted

during the same points in time as Tom Brady. And we had those arguments. But I didn't know if anyone would be able to have the success that Tom Brady had. And to do it the way he did it, like winning, coming from behind, clutch situations, like finding ways to win. Look at what Mahomes has done. I mean, he's doing it faster than Brady did at that clip. He's more physically gifted than Brady ever was. Only player in NFL history in his first seven seasons, and mind you, he was only six years as a starter, to win three Super Bowls, two MVPs, and also carrying his team. Brady, you and I were living here, the lure and the Brady and the clutch in the

fourth quarter, the final drive, two minute drill, all that stuff. But he was never carrying that football team early on. It was defense, Belichick, special teams, running the football. And so to see Mahomes do all of that and to have the clutch gene that he had, like you're doing it faster, you're more physically gifted. You're carrying your team more than Brady ever did early in his career. And then the clutch gene that Brady had, which is what made Brady special, he's now already, Mahomes is tied with Tom for the most postseason game winning touchdown passes in the fourth quarter overtime with six. And Mahomes is only 28. And then you look more into that clutch chain since 2019.

The Chiefs are now 5-1 when trailing by 10-plus points at any point in the playoffs. The rest of the NFL in that same span is 6-48. Like, pressure just sharpens this dude. It's unbelievable. That record is just stupid. Like, you're just not supposed to. You run out of possessions.

The game doesn't allow it. All of these times where you look at stuff, you're like, oh, they're down double digits, which sounds crazy. And it's like, well, it's just be a field goal and a touchdown. It's not that big of a deal. But then you look at who does it,

and nobody does it. I was looking at the playoff numbers, and again, I was doing it kind of in the context of comparison to Brady here. But regular season, Mahomes, 219 touchdowns, 63 picks. It's like a three and a half touchdown to one pick ratio. In the playoffs, he's at 41 to eight. Those are his touchdown interception splits.

It's a five to one ratio. Five to one, yeah. I always push back a little bit on the Brady having all of the defense stuff because I felt like by the time it was his third year that he physically was a different guy than he was that first season that first season it looked like he couldn't get any velocity on like a 15 yard house yeah uh and then he started getting better at the play action even in

02 I remember him like having more pop on the deep ball but it also wasn't in the DNA of that team but when he got the one against Carolina I, he was throwing the football all over the place. Yes. And it was never necessarily like with the greatest receivers either, unless they could find somebody that was like really cheap. I mean, they were good receivers. And in that system, like you just had to be smart. You had to know what you were supposed to do. And then Brady was going to kind of figure it out.

But then when you look at Mahomes this season, like my biggest point was this was the year he was supposed to fall behind. Like this was the year where you go, okay, spend the off season, upgrade that receiver room. Don't ever let this happen again where Rasheed Rice is the only threat that you have out of that entire group. Like it's cool that Mikko got it,

but like, you know, they were okay moving on from him and then brought him back because he was available. Kadarius Toney's not even, he was in Vegas, wasn't even active he was in vegas i i'd love to know how the status on tony well he's in vegas can you imagine being tony and being your buddy like with your buddies and you go are you playing or what's what's going on i don't. My son was asking about Kadarius Tony yesterday. He's nine years old. He was like, well, is Tony going to play?

He hasn't played. And I said, he's actually not playing. He said, why? Is he still injured? I said, no, he's not playing. Essentially, he's been benched. So he's not even going to be active for the game. Because as a nine-year-old, you don't kind of.

And Tony was like a big name, you know, all that. And he just turns to me and goes, so what's the point? And I was like, great question. What is the point? He's in Vegas. Valdez-Gantling gets the earlier touchdown. And it's, you know, Hardman's been through a lot there as well, where it was, you know, it's hard to say they didn't trust him

when they bring him back. But at that point, it's, like, I just don't think that this is ever going to be like it'll probably happen with some injuries or whatever but i imagine week one of next year this receiving room is going to have an upgrade at some point and rice would be even better and i think they'll have to compensate for you know some of the debate about whether or not kelsey was declining or whatsoever but this was the year where you were going to go, all right, well, they didn't win it that year because remember how weird and average that offense was? And no, instead they beat Buffalo at Buffalo. They beat Baltimore at Baltimore. It would be weird if they played that one in Buffalo. And then they come back against a Niners team that I just, I couldn't

be mad today. I could be upset, but I don't think I could be mad if I against the Niners team that I just, I couldn't be mad today. I could be upset, but I don't think I could be mad if I'm a Niners fan because that's the guy that you lost to. Yeah. And that's the guy you lost to. And if you're going to beat him in one of these spots, you know,

an AFC championship game, a Superbowl, you better play clean. And unfortunately, like, you know, they made unfortunately like you know they made mistakes you know cmc fumbles on that first drive they looked like they had something going you know and yeah did it cost them the game no but they lost a possession and like the back and forth started and who knows

maybe they get three out of that whatever it was they they muffed the punt right they um they missed the extra point like that's huge obviously and the extra point is huge because then you're playing it completely different on that last drive now who knows i mean mahomes you're gonna be just but you know if they were gonna get a touchdown then they'd probably try to get a touchdown there but they were running out of time and kelsey gets tackled and then you're kind of in that weird field position on the red zone where it just makes it that much harder. I mean, think about the times my homes had like a really nice look inside of the red zone. I mean the MVS one,

they were probably just far out enough at the 16 yard line, which makes it easier to make that throw than say they're snapping the ball from like the eight or nine. But when I, when I have an image of these deep red zone possessions from kansas city it didn't look like it was fun from the homes no and right like bottom line you know they kelsey had the big catch they got it with 10 seconds left they threw the ball into the end zone to kelsey again i think correct me if i'm wrong here but threw the ball in the end zone to kelsey again tried to get a quick pop in see if they could get it at like seven seconds. So they maybe could

run a second play and decided let's kick the field goal here. So you're talking about if they make that extra point and it plays out the same way, basically you got one shot from whatever yard line that was. I forget exactly what was like the 15 or the 11, the 11. Okay. One shot from the 11 to score a touchdown or, or, or lose the Superbowl, you know, that's what it would come down to. So like, like you can't emphasize enough. Is it one play that decides the whole game? No, but like that could have changed everything. So like you miss an extra point, you fumble a punt, CMC has a fumble. And then the injuries too, Like Warner leaving was critical. And if you watch the tape in the second half.

Greenlaw. So Greenlaw in the second half. Warner's out there doing the best he can, but it's not the same. When you have both of them, you can do kind of the same thing on both sides and trust no matter what the shifts are and everything else, you can trust your personnel. Debo left the game. He returned, but it seemed like it was consistently with Green Law going out, Debo's out and back in. Feliciano, the offensive lineman, goes out. Kittle left and

then came back in. And Kittle was kind of non-existent. Two catches, I think, for four yards the entire game. So a lot of things didn't go their way or a lot of things happened that you can't make those mistakes if you're going to beat Mahomes in this spot, I guess is my point. A lot of things didn't go their way or a lot of things happened that they just, you can't make those mistakes if you're going to beat Mahomes in this spot, I guess is my point. The only other time other than the pick that I thought Mahomes made a mistake last night was on that last possession where, again, they're only down the three because we're still going back to the extra point being missed. But on first and 10, when they called the timeout with 40 seconds left, Mahomes ran it up the middle on first down.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And you're like, okay, wait. And he only got three yards. Tick, tick, tick, tick. And that goes from 39 seconds to 21 seconds. I know Romo was saying on the broadcast that he would just spike the second down. But at that point, all that time's already gone. So he was like, oh, it might be 15, it might be 20 seconds.

I know what that's going to say in the play clock, but now you're, you're eliminating, like, if you're saying it's a spike, I only thought that was going to be a matter of a few seconds. Well, the mistake was taking off and running.

Yeah, it was, that was the mistake. That was the mistake. And then, and then you're talking about like a seven yard, seven seconds versus an extra down decision that I, I think Roma was probably right right like go spike it but I

don't the mistake had already been made the mistake had already been made you're right and then the real decision comes down to like second 10 and you go do you dare do you dare even with Mahomes to run one more play here for the for the end zone and six seconds left right no i think it was four it says three on this but in my notes i had i had four no they it was nine seconds originally when kelsey went out then they put a second back on the clock to make it 10 right then they threw to the end zone it was four seconds so that made it was six seconds which is the number it's like the mendoza line they always say like you can get a playoff with six seconds but that that typically is what it's going to cost you you know all right i don't yeah i'm not sure i'm not i think the field goal went in with three seconds left i thought i thought it

all right maybe it was six and and that was it but i'm trying to but i'm trying to look it up again here but whatever i'm not i'm going to get into a huge debate about it. Because it was just enough for you to think about it. And if you're Andy Reid, as much trust as you have to have. I just imagine the internal conversation is, imagine if somebody gets sacked. And you lose this game. Because you tried when you know the tie and the overtime is staring right at you. So then that leads us into overtime. So with the new rule, they're both going to get a

possession. And if it's 7-7, then the team that got the first possession is going to get another one and they can walk off and win it. The problem for Shanahan is, because I think there's an explanation to be had where you're like, okay, that makes sense. The problem is Shanahan's going to get destroyed as he is all day today because he had his own players saying, we didn't even know what was going on. We're on the other side of you have Chris Jones saying, we studied this this summer. So we already knew what was going to happen. So, um, I looked through the ESPN analytics. There was a long thread on it, which maybe I might even post to this where you went through it. And after I got done reading it all, I guess I kind of just shrugged on the decision a little.

That's how I feel. Yeah. But I think we're both aligned on that. The preference is if you go second, like the college football overtime rules, you at least know what you have to play to. And that's why, despite maybe losing on the third possession, and then Kansas City said,

well, look, we were going for two anyway because of these things. I think that's easy to say after you've already won the Super Bowl and everything, but who knows? So take us through kind of what you thought about Shanahan deciding to take the ball to open overtime with the new rules. When it comes to coaching decisions, if I'm just being totally blunt, I try to stay in my lane. Like these guys are paid millions and millions of dollars and they obviously know what the hell they're doing. They have an analytics team that they trust and they lean on and they've worked with the analytics team to try to tie into their philosophy and their personnel and everything. Here's what I would say. I would have that meeting

with my analytics team if I'm Kyle Shanahan because I personally feel so strongly that I want the ball second because I will, A, I want to know for two reasons, very important here. A, I want to know what I need to get. Three's going to tie it. Touchdown's going to win it or touchdown's going to tie it. Or am I making the decision I'm going to go for? I'm in control then of knowing what I have. And then the number two part of that is a byproduct by being in control of, of knowing

what the score is and what I have to achieve. I can then make coaching decisions based on that. If on, on third down, I'm on my own 35. I know I'm going for, I know I'm going for a fourth. I have no choice. So now let's, let's set this. If we get a first down grade on third, but let's make sure we get to a much more manageable fourth down. Right.

And that's the, the liberty or the freedom that, that Kansas city had while the pressure was heightened. They, they always knew throughout that drive what they had to do. And so they could coach accordingly. Right. always knew throughout that drive what they had to do. And so they could coach accordingly, right?

So now you circle back and rewind to the two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. I'm going to go into that meetings with my analytic, my chief of analytics, whatever they, you know, whatever San Francisco calls them, the chief analytics guy and say, all right, here's the deal. Tell me what you think. What do the numbers say? What do the analytics say about overtime? What do we do if we get in that situation? We win the toss. And he's going to say, analytics, here are all the reasons why the third possession is what we're

trying to get to. And then I'm going to say, got it, understood, but we've got to get to the third possession. And here are the reasons why i want to control the my situation be able to coach accordingly with the second possession and then i would basically say you've got to convince me tell me the numbers are 75 70 they're not meanwhile right right i looked at them all this morning significant if it's 54 like that i'm i'm gonna go with with what i I feel as a coach and I'm most comfortable with. That would be the conversation back and forth. And again, never been a head coach outside of flag football. Okay. So I'm not sitting here and going back,

but to me, I would, and, and, and obviously this isn't not a stupid stance because the Superbowl champion head coach had the exact same stance as I read this morning of what I was thinking when the decision happened last night in the Super Bowl. Because Andy Reid said, we planned for this. That's what we wanted the entire time. And here are the reasons why we wanted it. And basically just said what I was thinking last night. So it's not outrageous to say what I'm saying right now. But it's also, again, like, I think this is the most important part. It's not why they lost the game. They lost the game because Mahomes, Mahomes is on the other sideline. And because they had an extra point block, they had the muff fumble. They had the fumble from CMC. Like they did enough in that game to provide Mahomes with opportunities to be

in that situation. So this is from Brian Burke, who does analytics at ESPN, where basically I think the most impressive thing is that they came up with overtime rules that are fair based on thousands and thousands of simulations of wind probability. Um, so he said, if the team with the second possession goes for two subsequent to matching a touchdown, so that would be if francisco scores a touchdown has seven kansas city's got their six they're going to go for two the team with the first possession wins 50.19 of the time so bottom line based on these results you'd want first possession and you'd want to go for two on second possession td but the differences are so slight it would take eons of seasons to actually observe the strategy i ran 120 000 simulations for each strategy so as he goes through it i reposted

the entire thread i'm not going to read the guy's thread here yeah i was i gotta say i don't think i was surprised at how thin the margins were because i think that's what's the funniest thing about all these arguments is that everybody's yelling at each other and it's like yeah but i think it's and there's a couple things that i don't love about it but for the most part you're like you realize it's only the one to two percentage chances on a lot of this stuff like there was even a deep fourth down decision for kansas city where you're just like we can't go for it here this far back this early in the game like actually this is a go like this is a go on the fourth down because it has to do with how short fourth in

what one or two it was um as opposed to really even thinking about where the field position was with the whole thing i i'd ask this though it's very easy to go well we were just going to go for two to eliminate san francisco getting that third position anyway i'm cool with it with my homes but can you imagine the super bowl team in overtime that goes for two that tries to win it and who that coach is? Like, is that coach going to be totally OK with not just extending the game and like, hey, let's kind of see what happens here? I think another part of this, too, is the reality of where the defenses are at. Yep. Most everybody's defense at this point after running around like that for three plus hours and considering how long this game takes yeah the half time and they're just going to be spent i mean i

maybe you could argue there's actually it's it's an easier four-hour night because there's so much of a break in between i don't know but what i what i see in a lot of these games when it's really late is everybody's pass rush is toast now anyway, because you're just, the guys are that tired and it's, it's easier to be tired blocking something coming at you as opposed to trying to beat the 300 pound lineman around the corner. The entire time. Here's the other thing too, that Kyle couldn't have had any information on,

but Andy, and I believe Andy, when he said like, he said, if they scored a touchdown, we were going to match it and go for two. If that was the situation, first possession sam fran scores a touchdown we get the ball back and you would think maybe the coach of the chiefs with mahomes as his quarterback would

say you know what let's i'll go back but then you're giving sam fran an opportunity to kick a field goal and win so it's not like the college so but bottom line is there's not going to be a third possession if if it goes touchdown, touchdown. Two-point conversion, right. Two-point conversion, yeah. Let me ask this. What if San Francisco wins the toss, takes the ball second, Mahomes goes touchdown, San Francisco goes touchdown but extra point,

and then Kansas City wins with a field goal? You can't go extra point. You can't go extra point. I'm not giving my homes back the ball you're saying kansas city go gets first possession right right they go down score touchdown yeah i'm saying it's seven seven and then there's the third possession you're just saying no matter what like oh i'm not i'm not giving my homes the ball back period like the conversation's kind of funny, though, that everybody thinks everybody's going to be chill with the team down a point, not kicking the extra point to tie in the Super Bowl,

especially depending on who that team is. If I'm playing Mahomes, I'm going for two every single time. We agree. If you're playing Mahomes. If you're playing Mahomes. All right, so let's end with a little Purdy here. Uh, I liked him in the playoffs more than I even liked him in the regular season. I did regular season.

I always would be like, I guess he's good. And I know the numbers are crazy. And I, I guess this guy's going to be MVP. Uh, but I, I thought there were more things that I saw from him in tough spots. Like, look, San Francisco still has score points to keep up in the fourth quarter, too. Like all those positions will be forgotten forever. I think they might really maybe it's maybe it's like, hey, no shit, Rosillo. Thanks for the breaking news. But I've been impressed with the last month more so than I was during the regular season is probably the quickest way I could have just said that two minutes ago. No, I have been too. And you got to remember, he's still developing and he's not gifted with what Patrick Mahomes is gifted with tools wise.

So he's always going to have to have a good scheme, weapons around him, but he has proven that he can play at a very high level. I think like what we saw from, from Jared Goff this year, how high of a level he was playing. Kirk Cousins before his injury. I think he can play at that level. Kirk Cousins was playing great. I don't care what anyone says. And you can,

the cousins in the history and not winning big games. I'm just saying like, I, I think Purdy is set to be on kind of that trajectory. And will it ever win a Super Bowl? I don't know, but it got him damn close and should have won him a Super Bowl. He played well enough to win. That's all you can really ask for,

especially in that offense. Like you didn't expect him to carry the team and to be something magical that we've never seen. But you expected if you're, you know, the coaching staff for the 49ers and Kyle Shanahan, and you expected him to play one of his best games. Because the two weeks to prepare, the way he's been playing, pressure doesn't seem to necessarily bother him. And he did that.

What else can you ask for? I just thought what Spaggs did defensively, adjusting in the second half, and the way they were able to take Kittle out of the game, and they took Ayuk out of the game, and they limited the run game, even though San Francisco limited it a little bit for them in the third quarter, but still 3.6 yards per carry for McCaffrey is a huge victory. We always hear about Belichick, right? Like, take away what they do best. All right, so we got to take away McCaffrey.

We got to take away Ayuk on the perimeter. And let's try to keep Kittle in check. That's three things, not just one. Three. And they did all three. And still, you walk away from that game, you're like, Purdy played pretty damn good. Like, DeJuan Jennings?

Like, you know, like jennings has gotten better and i but like finding a way to to target jennings in these critical situations and to make big time throws and you know it just showed that he is not locked into one guy and dependent on one guy you know on the jennings touchdown reception it looked like purdy was going to get killed um and they they peeled off i mean if he didn't get that ball out immediately on that one it looked like Purdy was going to get killed um and they they peeled off I mean if he didn't get that ball out immediately on that one it looked like it was right called defensively here's the most impressive part about Spagnuolo for me and you know if I went back and watched it on tape maybe I'd feel a little bit differently about it but like you can't just blitz all night

long like you're just going to get burnt eventually like you're going to get McCaffrey out against somebody where it's just going to be a mismatch You're going to get McCaffrey out against somebody where it's just going to be a mismatch. You're going to get Kittle free. So to your point, you're trying to find a way to limit all of these things, Ayuk, Debo, Kittle. And for the most part, McCaffrey is checking the run game, but he's still... I thought there was a second down pass from Purdy where he had to move out to his left and he gets it. It was one of these big plays for McCaffrey. So it's not like they completely eliminated him either either but it feels like Spagnuolo has either just incredible study in his in his head or has a sense in the course of a game where when he when he was calling pressures last night it felt like ah like they got him it was the right it's like how about the screen against

the blitz where you're like man you you knew the pressure was coming and you didn't even care you just had your quarterback take a quick three step threw it out and it was like the perfect call it felt like there were a handful of them last night from spagnolo of knowing when to pressure not just getting there all the time there were two that i jotted down right here third down i wrote third down pressures like dialing up not it's not like dial just dialing up at the right time. It's, it's dialing up something exotic, different. That's going to catch them off guard. Right.

And the McDuffie, when he had a free run at Brock Purdy, it was a third and five. It wound up leading them to a field goal instead of extending that drive. Huge play, huge, huge play. And he got him a free run at the quarterback. You know, that's knowing, waiting to utilize that pressure for the right time and knowing we're going to stun them with this. And then doing it again on that third and four

in overtime that forced the field goal, right? For San Francisco's field goal in overtime, Chris Jones is unblocked because there was a miscommunication because of the blitz. So that's two third down plays where he dialed up pressure that were critical and ultimately like if you're going to pinpoint what defensively was the key was there a key moment we always look at the key offensive plays but the key defensive plays in the game were those two third down pressures that's why spags has won what five

four five now right four i believe four okay four four super bowls as a defensive coordinator like That's why Spags has won, what, four? Five now, right? Four, I believe. Four, okay. Four Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator. And it's not all been with one team, and it was against Brady twice. That's, I mean, hats off. Big time. Yeah, and you've got a D-line there where, you know, a man who's out,

who's really good. They're playing the first rounder, but Kaloftis, his jump into this year, he's all over the place. And then Chris Jones is just, he's not, he didn't have maybe the closer role that he normally does where there's always that one nasty one where he gets there. But this defense, this front office did an incredible job

of piecing together defense here that needed to carry them at times. And it's really young and it's really exciting. And we'll see if they can be the first team ever that goes for three straight. Can we talk about what, like the least sexy thing in the entire world and no one's going to care about it and probably just, you know, turn off the rest of the spot? Yes, man.

Good, good guess. Seven of seven on field goals of 50 plus this year. 15 of 15 of field goals for 40 plus this year. 44 of 46 on field goals of 50 plus this year 15 or 15 of field goals for 40 plus this year 44 of 46 on field goals this year two field goals from 50 plus in the super bowl longest field goal in super bowl history 57 yards like you talk about brass kuyans my goodness man and think about like winning with with – when you think of Mahomes, right, you think like offense and like juggernaut, Andy Reid and exotic offense. Like this was the throwback Patriots shit.

You know, like Vinatieri, great defense. You know, Willie McGinnis and Teddy Bruschi and all those guys, right? And to have a quarterback who makes some plays late but entrusts the field goal situation like to me like butker is the least talked about person but was during this run unbelievably critical sorry i wasted everyone's time with that no you didn't it was actually i can't tell you about technique anything i don't know how they deserve anything he deserved to be mentioned um we'll talk to you a few more times before the draft man all right so thanks for this i told you i'm gonna start wearing you out now just when you think you got rid of me i am fired up now we got washington saying they don't know they have all

the loot to move up to number one to get caleb williams we talked about caleb last week what are the bears gonna do and that's just the first overall pick drake may talk to some people in the league think he's better than caleb williams trust him a little bit more jayden daniels do you love the season like those are just three quarterbacks wide receiver group maybe the best in like five seven years i'm gonna wear you out bud good talk we're just gonna have we're just gonna have you tape stuff and then we'll put it on the yeah i'm gonna send in ias yeah saruti and i will work out a play i want to start just you're in the middle of like an nba conversation saruti like just pops me up on the screen here and i'm just like ranting about someone's tape on third third down you know and plus six that i've been watching all day in this dark room and i'll just yell into you and

then get out sounds good man you're. You're the best. Thank you, Todd. It's been fun. You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you could possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So, now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Email address, lifeadvicerr at gmail.com. Monday, Life Advice.

Schedule's about to change for everybody here. When are we actually doing the scheduled changeover? I asked Bill last night. I think the 25th is going to be the first Bill Ryan Sunday night. So the following Tuesday, Thursday will be the Tuesday, Thursday. Okay. I feel like I forget it every year. All right.

So we got two more weeks of Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We got some cool stuff coming up. And then, yeah, then we're in our NBA schedule. Okay. Sounds good. We had a good couple social nights with the crew. Some dinners. See, people are going to say, why would you rub this in Kyle's face?

But that's not what we're doing. Did Big Cat rub it in Kyle's face? That's what people wanted to know. I don't know. Did he text Kyle? Just a selfie of him? No, I don't think he thinks about me that much. I think that was just,

I think Ryan's got a rep. It's not just me. I think he thinks about it in the sense of like sabotaging the relationships on the show. That's what I think he thinks about it. Like he doesn't, I don't think he cares.

He just like, he likes to stir shit up. Yeah, perhaps. I felt bad because I was going over to their hotel. Well, I shouldn't say bad, but I went over to their hotel. I don't know. It was like five o'clock on one of the days i was there and they wanted to tape

something but they want to tape it for later so it wasn't really a trade deadline thing and now looking back at the trade deadline i was like god um and i saw this guy in like a black set up like black pants and like a black hoodie and a hat it was like from behind and he was waiting for me in the lobby and i was like no that's not him i was like that guy's too skinny and it was big cat so it was sort of an insult but way more of a compliment yeah big cat feel like big upper body small lower body that's kind of i think i've only met him in person one time so you would know better well i don't know well he's just he's built up top you know he's a bit of a yo-yo, too, in a good way. He could drop it.

Isn't that what they call it, a yo-yo? When you drop a different month or two, you're like, wow, it's the same guy. Doing something good this month. Yeah, he looks lighter. I'll tell you that. But yeah, he's a big barrel-chested cat. So maybe that's where the nickname comes from. Okay.

he's a big barrel chested cat so uh maybe that's where the nickname comes from okay uh we have a follow-up on the use of open uh open courts right yeah yeah i i heard from some people um over the weekend you did and anyone had anything other to say than that this was insane well no so my my point was that I think it's wrong. I would have been mad. Younger me would have been really mad. But I'm just trying to give the guy who is foreign with his kid a little bit of a benefit of the doubt that they don't have any other options that they don't know. I'm just not trying to say those guys are huge assholes with a dad and his kid. That's all I was trying to say.

And people are like, you're so wrong about the hoops thing. Like, it's so disrespectful. I'm like, I don't necessarily disagree. I'm just trying to give the guy some grace. Grace is maybe the right word there. Because I was thinking of that word as you were explaining it. But you basically had basketball people coming after you being like, there is no leeway. There is no grace.

Like, you can't do this. And honestly, they're kind of right i think we were just trying to find a way that this guy wasn't the most obnoxious jerk of a dad to do something and remember he is waiting for the possession to change the other side of the court and then as soon as he thinks that court is open he's it's just on and then you're running the other way in a fast break like you're lucky if there wasn't a quick turnover the kid isn't getting run over. It's getting yammed on. Yep. Right.

Or, or yammed. Uh, so we had a followup here. Guys love the show. Wanted to follow up in the story where the dad took one of the hoops away from the group, playing a pickup game to shoot with his son for context.

I know nothing about the etiquette of pickup basketball and don't know a single person in my life that has played any pickup before. Having said that i was shocked yeah start i was shocked at your response not taking the dad's side and i ran it by all of my buddies all of us in our early 30s and each of them said they would have done the exact same thing the dad did was this at your pottery class like what buddies are you talking wow none of my friends understand what you guys are talking about but here's what we would have done um all right so my guess my question is what makes pickup basketball players special over any other group at the gym to think they deserve to go over there a lot of time on the

court uh as a comparison we have open pickleball days at our gym in the real estate you can't stay in the court for over 30 minutes if you were waiting there have been many situations where people get kicked off the court for going over there a lot of time and no one complained going back to the basketball situation if the rules of the gym say you can't go over an hour on a basket if it's uh go over an hour on a basket if it's packed just that phrasing alone yeah um then what gives the group the right to take over two baskets for that long look you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about is all i can say like i'm not even going to read the rest of the email um you're you're just missing all of it and by the way i don't remember the email ever

mentioning any allotted time type of thing you just have to understand that open gym is open gym. And if somebody is running full court, then that's what you do. You adapt to it. All right. You can get in on it by calling next. You might be waiting long, but there's no version of open hoops where it's not a fucking free for all.all. In your definition of open hoops, then you could just start taking shots if it was three-on-three on that. Say three-on-three on this side, running twos. Hey, it's open gym.

I'm just going to start shooting from three while you're playing two-on-two. It's not chaos. We have this structure. We've had it for a very long time. And people that are in pickup hoops understand this. This isn't, the email kind of blows my mind. Because imagine me being like,

I don't understand a ton about physics, but here's what my friends that have no physics background, here's what we've decided. Here's why the earth is flat. Right. Exactly. Despite our lack of understanding, here's what we've concluded.

So, and he seems to really be hammering on, like, I get it. You rent a pickleball court. You get it for an hour. The game goes a little long. You're being kicked off. That's not what this is. Try to think of it in, like, this version of pickleball. You're playing two-on-two pickleball.

You have the court. pickleball you're playing two on two pickleball you have the court and then two other guys come over and just join your court and start playing against each other while you're on it or not even that good he starts hitting against the wall working on his surf and it's like what the fuck are you doing it's like i need this yeah that's that's what this is um so hopefully that gives you a better understanding so you should not be shocked at our response at all. And I, to Steve's point, I think we were probably even nice. Pickleball is at odds with basketball anyway. Steve's been on this corner for a while.

Well, yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not, I don't want to be in pottery guy slash pickleball guys lane here. I did sort of defend the dad and certainly the son, but I did say it is wrong i would be mad and i don't know this feels like he clearly has no idea what he's talking about so i don't really want to entertain it that much but like i think there is room to sympathize with the son and the dad even though like i don't think what they did was right but i also don't think that they're that like this guy who emailed in just now was right either do we have to go back and make sure there was no time i thought the manager came in

and said something about it like maybe there's a rule that never gets enforced but it's in their bylaws or something you know basically played a card that like no one else manager was like you've been doing this for an hour or whatever it's time to let someone else have a turn or whatever you know it's like uh but that's not how it works front desk guy told us 13 guys who had the court for an hour already that if there was other people in gym we had to take our game down to half court so that's not a time thing yeah it's not a time thing no one again you just have to understand you got to trust us on this one if you're playing full court at a gym that you got to knock it down to half court like nobody would ever do that nobody would ever

go like hey and then expect to come back to the gym and have everything be cool so i i think it's very different by the way the fact that he waited until the possession changed i think the dad knew what he was doing yeah there's perfectly good pickup right full court rules in place already we don't really need to go mess with it. Everyone understands that some people might not be happy, but there's perfectly good rules already. But it's also very different from when you rent your tennis court, you rent your pickleball court. It just is.

Like, hey, you have it from one to two. It's over. If you're running fives, you're running full court. It's just not. Again, you're just going to have to trust us on this. I do remember at the Y, and obviously, what was this? Was this Planet Fitness, he said, or something? I don't think Planet Fitness has basketball courts, do they?

Or whatever it is. Sure. When I used to play hoops at the Y, they would have a schedule for like, this is the full court run time, and it would be like a couple hours, right? So they would divvy it up so you would know the schedule. So if you were the dad and the son, you would know, I'm not going to come during full court run time don't show up when there's 30 different people they're trying to get on the court i don't know if this has this clearly doesn't have a schedule like

that but i think that's that's how you solve the problem like again i sympathize in some ways with with the dad and the son but for this guy to email and be like hey none of us none of my none of me and my friends don't play any basketball but here's's why you're wrong. That's a bold email. Okay. Well, I don't want to do any more on that. So there you go. All right. This is a different one.

First time listener, 27 years old, 6'1", 205, soccer. I have a soccer headball gold build. I don't know what that means. Soccer headball. Yeah. I think a soccer head ball gold build. So Rudy, I don't know what that means. Soccer head ball. Yeah. I think a good rebounder basketball continues to be extremely underrated. All right.

Not an NBA fan because of the gameplay, but do enjoy Bill and you talking about it. And the reality TV tone of the league is very appealing. My question comes from last night during my first NBA game, Hawks at Sixers. Yes, in all sports, flops and soft calls seem to be even more apparent. But last night, the Jumbotron kept only showing replays if it appeared to the home team, in this case, the Sixers. I'm not a fan of either team, but the Jumbotron on replays would show replays of fouls only if it was appealing to the home team or to piss them off from a bad call. For example,

the first half, a Sixers player was called for a foul and the replay only showed the Hawks player in the air as the video cut out before you saw that he landed on top of a Sixers player, which should be called a foul. My question is, is this a normal thing in the NBA? There were plenty of other times it happened to appease the home crowd that night at other sports events live that I've seen, but I've never seen such propaganda like this before. Love the pod. You know what? I don't go to a ton of games live, so I don't know, but I would admit there's certain home broadcasts that I think don't show the bullshit calls that favor their team there's a there's like when i wait to see a hawks replay i think on television they just don't give it to you as much as they used to give it to you for one specific player

yeah and i would too many trade replays they're like well we're telling on ourselves now right yeah right it's gonna expose their guy yeah i've noticed it'd be like oh i wonder how bad that'll look from this angle and then it's like oh we don't get that replay yep um disappeared who knows we'll never know i i actually think the sixers broadcast is guilty of it a lot too like i just want you to be a little honest you know it was like when yokich got into it was somebody and then it was the Miami Heat broadcast and the guy was like, man, pettiness looks bad on you, pal,

or something like that. I was like, oh my God. I was like, relax. What are you, subbing in? So I like the Sixers broadcast, but there's definitely, I notice it with Philly's broadcast as much as I notice it with some of the look.

I mean, you know, I was rooting for a team whose broadcaster in Heinzen was the single most biased guy in the entire league there. So I understand it. But there are ones. But I don't know enough about it to be in the jumbotron. I'd imagine they're probably not showing a ton of calls that would not benefit. I doubt it's just a philly thing so um but i think it is something that yeah i don't know but i feel like the jumbo trauma podcasts are very different yeah the jumbo yeah that they're just trying to rile the crowd up they're not you know

yeah that to me that's like fake you know that's not even like the real world that the guy running the video there is insane it's like he's like an extension of the mascot almost um right so like i don't even i don't really take that it's probably true i will say damn like i know mb probably didn't play in this game but between mb and uh and trey and i it's not like i dislike you those guys actually do really like mb too but man those two dudes are those like the cream of the crop as far as guys that are just flopping and trying to draw fouls left and right. That's a tough watch, especially on replay. Celebrity crushes. Let's pivot here.

22 years old, 5'11", 155, in okay shape, but trying to put some muscle on right now. Concurringly bench 170, pickup comp, post prime Landry Fields. It's a very specific one, and I like it. My girlfriend is 22, 5'7", 130 130 55 pounds on the bench let's call her katie uh she and i were hanging out in a larger group of people when the topic of celebrity crushes came up when asked i said my celebrity crush is dr melfi from the sopranos ha wow that's i don't know about that no i mean mean, it's just the guy's 22.

He's got a type. And he's saying, just in case no one knows who that is, it's Tony Soprano's therapist when she was in her 40s at the time. Thank you. What's his type? Like 90s mom vibe? That's kind of what I get from her. 90s seems like a pretty aggressive roundup from you.

Oh, wait a minute. Not 90 years old.s no no 1990 she has like the you know the mom kind of haircut that every mom had when we were growing up i don't know like she's speaking of haircuts jj watt went back in the time machine huh poor guy did he mention did he lose a bet or something or was it is that what it was well he just tweeted out that in case you're wondering if anyone notices your haircut change they do which I thought was actually very funny it was a really good tweet

he had some good tweets this week I kind of like JJ I think I like him more post football than I did because it seems like some of the this is going to sound harsh but some of the cornyness is not there anymore with him now that he's not playing so I kind of jj even more now i also think he's a little bit older so um yeah yeah he went because when i saw i was like oh wow he kind of went for

that that messy hot thing it was like the abercrombie 2002 look that was what that was i was just looking for the puka shell necklace exactly anyway he's back so is it it's back i've got a ton of abercrombie stuff now i love it hold on what do you mean it's back was there an email back on sale what do you mean email but those of us who know no no just go into an app they got some great stuff they got good teas at abercrombie i've got great jeans some of those like sweater uh polos they're it's abercrombie. I've got great jeans. Some of those sweater polos. Abercrombie's back, man. So it's back. That's official? Yeah. It's not back like it was in 2002 with the same style, but

they've got good clothes. It kind of caught me off guard. Alright, so this guy's into Melfi. 40 years. That's cool. He goes after whatever. He's like, after my my turn she said her celebrity crush is jacob elordi oh yeah he's you know he's the salt burn guy right yeah he's a good looking dude

my wife is pretty into him yeah right he was hosting snl quick that felt quick is he in anything else i think he was in um we had aria right he was in euphoria was he i never got into that it just it felt weird how aggressive it was with such young characters and i just was like all right all right so after we went home i made the point that jacob alorti is not an acceptable crush a respectable answer is either someone who has a fun personality but not widely accepted as a sex symbol dr m. Melfi, Larry David. Come on, dude, Larry David? You think your fucking girlfriend's going to say Larry David?

Or someone you have a nostalgic connection to and is probably substantially older. Think Zac Efron in High School Musical. I think it's bad manners in front of a boyfriend to choose the guy who is our age and famous for being super attractive. Katie says that it doesn't matter. Celebrities are barely related to our lives, and it was a stupid question. I point out that a 26-year-old and a 22-year-old could potentially date, whereas Lorraine Bracco is now 69, and I don't think she would entertain me sliding into her DMs.

Am I correct that there are good and bad answers to this question? Am I being insecure? Yes. That's a rough email today. Yeah, if you want to give a funny answer to the question, that's fine. If you want to give a funny like, oh, I would have never thought of that answer, that's fine. But you can't be like, you also should take this normal question that has a direct answer and make it like it's just because you're attracted to a guy that's closer to your age and not from 1999. Like, I don't know and

it seems like he's going with characters rather than person right he's like because jacob alorti is a person right and then he's like he's attracted to dr melfi uh circa sopranos right so it's not i think it's just you're too all over the map. And I think you thought you had a funny, clever one. And she's like, yeah, that dude's hot. Instead of like, you know, she's Italian. She's a businesswoman, you know, like, like, are you doing an accent right now? That was Tony. I was supposed to be Tony. I forget what he said when he was like, why?

Why? He said he was in love with her. But I know Italian was part of it. But I just think you you tried to have this clever, funny answer. And just because she didn't reciprocate. You asked her a real question. She gave you a real answer. You shouldn't ask your significant other this question anyway.

I think that's the beginning. Oh, what do you mean? That's not that big of a deal. I mean, like, unless you got like incredibly thin skin. But yeah, I think this is a fun question for anybody. I don't know. I feel like I know a lot of my friends. Well, not if you're gonna be writing an email to us about like, I didn't, you know,

if you're not the person that can have that kind of question, but most people aren't this sensitive about it. Yeah. So he also said for reference, I think we're both pretty good looking in this disagreement. It's pretty minor. It should be. It should be less than pretty minor. It's just really dumb.

Like it's a it's a celebrity fantasy thing that's not going to happen to any of us. OK, like when people were asking me if i saw blake lively last night it's like yeah i did i did and when they hit the deep pass and she goes shut the fuck up i was like god she's the best and guess what any girl that would get mad at me for being like yeah that's my celebrity crush like oh you think the podcast is going that well i don't think i don't think it's yeah so you were mad that the math meant there was a slight possibility that your girlfriend somehow it was disrespectful to you and that she was supposed to pick barney miller like it doesn't right this the rules that you're using for this are not professor snape that's what he wanted to hear

this just isn't... You can't get upset about this answer ever. You can't. And I think it is like a little hint of insecurity. Like, would you get mad at yourself if you were attracted to Sidney Sweeney?

Because it's like the same thing. Like, you probably are attracted to Sidney Sweeney, but you just can't say it out loud. Like, well, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Like, you're supposed to say something. You're supposed to say Dr.

Melfi just because it's like more correct in your mind. That's sorry. He put down Larry David. He wrote down. I mean, we should have just stopped there. Yeah, right. Well, he probably watches curb with, you know, and like they probably have like a bond over it. She thought she would say that, like, you know, honestly, dude, if my girlfriend was like,

if I could spend a night with anyone celebrity and it was larry david i i think i'd be bummed out yeah that's tough that's tough yeah this is hard to change that yeah hard to change that i will say i do love a good conversation about like the weirdest celebrity you're attracted to though like that would be fun like if that's the conversation that is a good conversation like i grew growing up like i you know she's like way way older than me but i always had like a thing for michelle pfeiffer like michelle pfeiffer's just the bait and but she's what she's probably like 65 now but she's she's still hot now um but i just that conversation to me is interesting but that's not even what the conversation you're having you're just saying hey

celebrity whatever crush uh anyone's open on that dude sorry was it the first batman movie with her it was actually like it was like a combination of what lies beneath um it was the batman movie listener beginning uh since the beginning 6 2 2 15 game is closest to stan van gundy in that one video surprising handles for my frame but no shot i'm I'm an asset in full court fives. One buddy, let's call him Groom, is getting married and wants to have his bachelor party in North Carolina this May. Our other friend, let's call him Planner, was asked by Groom to be the head planner. Kind of like all this, and it all checks out.

Our buddy Cheater's coming. We're worried about him. Methamphetamine was not invited the way we've done bachelor parties in the past the bachelor picks the city in consultation with everybody else but they get the final decision um that's cool and the planner sends the house options the final choice and puts down the credit card here's the thing groom is a limited partner in in the Airbnb where planner is the co-lead investor. Nobody else in the bachelor party is an investor. And they told us the bachelor party will be at this Airbnb that planner would be giving

us a 30% discount. And how they came up with that number, we don't know. We have no idea if this is a good deal, although at the very least, we're probably not getting ripped off. In the most favorable light, they're doing it at this house as a favor to everyone because they're foregoing a profit from a full sticker renter. Less favorable reasons you can imagine. This is probably not the most expensive bachelor party we've ever been on, but groom is notoriously cheap. Anyway, here's the problem. We'll all probably end up going, but we've been giving

groom and planner shit in the group chat and they're getting sensitive to the point where the bachelor gives me a call and said cut it out comments themselves are pretty benign for example someone asked how to get to the airport to the house and somebody else responded that planner would provide a shuttle service for a 30 discount that's great we think it's generally harmless and they should have to take it in stride as they're profiting off the bachelor party. They think they're doing everyone a favor, and we should stop. Who was right?

I don't know who was right. It's a fascinating one there. I think you have to go on the track record of the guys. Are these guys that'll go for a card? Are these guys that are thrilled to not have to pay the tab ever? By the way, groom shouldn't have to pay for any of it. So is he saving money? He should be saving shouldn't have to pay for any of it. So, you know, is he, is he saving money? He should be saving money anyway, but then on top of it. So you'd have to

figure out like what the place costs. So couldn't you go and sort it for a different day? Couldn't you like, okay, what's, what's this cost, you know, this month for this many days on this weekend. And then you can compare the whole thing and then figure it out. I mean, there's a chance, yeah, you're getting taken advantage of because unfortunately, there are people out there that are your friends that still look at it as a financial win, as a financial win. And they don't go like, hey, you're actually not supposed to apply those rules or something like that. There's also a very good chance that you guys are making out and that they actually are sacrificing a potential profit. And that, you know, you should look at it that way, but I don't know how you're going to come to that conclusion. Like I said, you could sort how it's priced on other weekends. Granted,

seasonal stuff is going to change all of that, but for when you're going, look at comparable weekends and then do the math and figure out if you're getting enough. The other problem is, is whenever I've booked anything, you kind of go like, well, wait, how much does it cost? But then what does it really cost? And why am I paying this fee or what's the cleaning thing here? So there could even be a way where you think you're actually doing well and you're not, or there could be a way where you think you're actually doing awful on this transaction. And the guy's like, well, if I explain all the different expenses for all these things you're actually still doing really really well so you'd have to go on track record here if this is something that feels like they would be

profiting on because of stuff in the past then i would say keep heckling them but i don't know i think it's it's just one of those parts of life where one side won't know and no one will really know. Because if it's those guys and they're like, hey, we could have rented this thing out and we're giving it to you for the base. And this way it all works out. We have a place to stay and we like it and the whole deal. There's a part of this where actually they could be the ones getting screwed on it by setting this whole thing up. where actually they could be the ones getting screwed on it by setting this whole thing up. I just, I don't have a side here to take because I think it's something where you clearly are wondering if you're getting worked and they're probably thinking that you guys are being

ungrateful and I have no final decision on it. Yeah. I think the jokes are okay. Those jokes aren't mean. Um, but it sounds like the, the group that's like not the planner or the groom or whatever is like, they would only be happy really if it was like that you prorated their mortgage payment for the four days that they would be there or something. Like, I don't know, like what, what the fuck do they, what do they expect? I mean, just, this is simple. Like you said, just, just do another house on that street. That's five bedrooms comparable and just see what it would be for those three days or however long you're going. Like, I think this is simple. simple and i think i think this is one of those situations

where it's actually super explainable if everybody just sat down but i think they're young dudes and it's not going to get explained that way so i think just be okay with the jokes because like this is something you just can't if everyone could work this out it'd be great but it's like dudes just aren't going to get it through their thick skulls i think so i think just uh prepare have a have a fun bachelor party and just let the jokes fly because this is this is not going to be solved even though it's pretty easy i think i agree we don't have the financial statements so we're never going to properly know or completely know what the deal is i would say though that the fact that they are sensitive to you guys making jokes is kind of a tell right so i would i'd keep firing

them off yeah i did i did think that um because here's would it have been booked would have been booked this weekend and if it wasn't going to be booked this weekend shouldn't it be well hey you guys just have to help with the cleaning and any of the maintenance costs for this but then we're not going to charge you um yeah 30 investor in the house they said right so yeah but the other guy the other guy's like a lead investor so is there anyone else in this house that's like not going to be invited to this party that would be like wait so what are we doing with this house even if it's like a 20 guy i see that's a problem there's so many moving pieces here i don't know i i kind of on steve's side i think these guys are probably

getting hosed a little getting hosed how though i'm saying if it's less than the market price or whatever they're not actually getting hosed but they're just not getting as good a deal as maybe they could or should have get because they're all boys right no one's actually getting hosed right like what if somebody said to you like hey this is how much hotel rooms would cost the entire group and this is going to be half and you're like well yeah no kidding that's how because hotel rooms are more expensive for individual people and then there also comes an age where you don't want to have a roommate on these trips um it sounds like these guys may still be in that age of of you know being okay with two guys in a room um i don't know i mean is that their excuse that they're not that they don't own the own it all i i just i just hate stuff like this i hate stuff

like this like i would just go hey now let's just get hotel rooms and pay more. Yeah, I'd rather pay more and I'll get a room and then there isn't the uncertainty of, hey, do those guys just make money off of us the entire time? I don't know. Can't just look and see what it would cost next week

in the same four-day window or look at its calendar on Airbnb and see that it's available for like six weeks except for these four days you go you know what does that mean uh i don't know tough one man tough one but i would say keep the jokes going but keep keep the sliver of hope there that this actually is better for the entire group financially even if they're going to make a little bit of money on it right yeah yeah which is probably what the actual answer is can i uh can i ask you a life advice question yeah so maybe this is for sorority but maybe this is also for ryan i don't know my

sister-in-law i've got a sister-in-law now coming with her longtime boyfriend they're staying with us on wednesday that's valentine's day let's go to tool am i right am i i don't want to say this as a husband it seems like a weird thing to say am i off the hook for valentine's day but like these not off the hook right but these people are coming in and they're just getting off a plane from a cross-country flight from philly like it's not going to be like oh now we're going to go to Valentine's dinner right so it's like what uh what do you guys think is it like is it a large gesture gift is it just a small like here like I've fluctuated in my I'm a Valentine's yo-yo guy like sometimes it's big sometimes it's not so last year last year I think I got her like a like a real gift. Like some years it's like flowers and stuff like that and like little sweets and stuff.

But I think last year I got her like a real gift. And I was like, damn, why did I do that? Because it was like Christmas, Valentine's, two months later's birthday. And I was like, wow, I just hammered myself every every two months. So I don't think I'll be doing that. But like I think we may have went to dinner, too, even. But like that's dinner's off the table. I'm just wondering, like, how big. Why don't you do this scale of one to ten why don't

you ask her or say hey i've been thinking about plans you know obviously you know the in-laws are coming over what do you want what are you thinking what's possible and then you put the ball on her court and then she gives you the answer and then you have to kind of follow the instructions at that point if she's like hey i still want to do the usual thing i still want to go out to dinner then there's your answer two days from now i don't think that would happen we'd be having like well then you can make her dinner or something maybe what if you made a christmas story chinese food new year or something like that yeah i would push for that i would push for like uh an a-level takeout place that maybe you see it on postmates and you

go am i really gonna spend this much johnny how good is the pizza it's kind of small in this but okay you can do two meatball apps uh i i think you're i don't you're seriously supposed to get these people you're gonna pick them up the airport too right um i I don't know. She said she was going to do it. And then we just came home from a Super Bowl party yesterday. And I was like, well, we have tandem parking. So I was like, we should leave your car in front, right? Because you're picking them up at the airport.

And she shot me a look. I was like, whoa, we're picking them up at the airport, huh? I think I might have to work on Wednesday. I don't know. You're definitely both. Yeah, you're definitely both going. So let's put that one to bed. But can't you go like you're supposed to get them

at the airport, go back to your house, reset and then be like, OK, here's how the remote works. We're going to go to our Valentine's dinner now. I think you're off the hook for the dinner. I think I'm off the hook for the dinner too. Yeah. I just wonder it's like and then is it also weird to like we're doing a dual Valentine's dinner like this again. This is the perfect excuse.

Why don't you just ask her? Ask her what you think is possible. Because she's not a decision maker, man. She's not a decision maker. Well, make it for her then. That's what I'm saying. What do you think I'm doing here? I want a text update on our threat.

I want you to say that you went to her and said, here's what I think we should do. We're already picking them up at the airport. They're going to be here. We can't drop them off at the house and then go do our fancy thing let's just do a nice fun takeout throwing a little harry connick jr fucking call it a night all right i like it great all right perfect thanks thanks guys good luck a little red light blue light that's life advice thanks to Kyle thanks to Steve

thanks to Cliff oh it's blue light red light I knew I was going to mix that up I didn't even know what you were talking about Harry Connick Jr. 1991 killer CD you guys should get on it

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