The Smark Avengers - Leap of Faith - Daredevil Jumping On Points!

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

Matt Murdock a.k.a. Daredevil is one of the most dynamic and tragic heroes in Marvel Comics history. With a large supporting cast like Foggy Nelson and Karen Page along with a rogues gallery including the Kingpin, Bullseye, Elektra, the Owl, and Purple Man… the Man Without Fear has been captivating readers since the 1960s with the recent success of his Disney+ earning him new fans every season. That being said… one of the biggest challenges facing new comic book readers is where and how do you jump on to a new book? Thankfully for you new readers, resident Daredevil expert Jon is walking Corey and Dylan through the major creative runs for the Man Without Fear and what are the best jumping on points! 😈 Sit back and relax, True Believers, as the lads cover: - Stan Lee, Bill Everett, and Jack Kirby’s creation of the character along with the creation of villains the Owl, the Purple Man, and Stilt-Man. - The shift in issue #7 where Daredevil gains his iconic solid red costume. - The swashbuckling Silver Age days. - Frank Miller’s run that changed everything for Matt Murdock and as the Kingpin is introduced as his major antagonist along with the Hand, Elektra, Bullseye, and more. - Frank’s return to Daredevil for the iconic Born Again storyline. - The introduction of the Marvel Knights line of comics with filmmaker Kevin Smith’s run on Daredevil and the death of Karen Page. - Brian Michael Bendis’ run with the introduction of Sammy Silk, the status quo shift for the Kingpin and Vanessa Fisk, Matt Murdock’s short-lived marriage, and Daredevil’s arrest. - Ed Brubaker’s continuation of Bendis’ story of Murdock in prison and ending with the Shadowland storyline. - Mark Waid’s returning Daredevil to his swashbuckling roots as he tries to hide his depression in an atypical run. - Charles Soule’s run that proves to be influential to the Daredevil: Born Again television series that returns Daredevil to his New York roots and the Kingpin becomes Mayor of NYC. This is a great episode for longtime fans of ol’ Hornhead or new fans looking to learn more about the iconic vigilante from Hell’s Kitchen! 💬 Join the discussion: What do you think is THE iconic Daredevil run? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy comic book related discussions and humor 🔔 Subscribe for more comic deep dives, reviews, rankings, and debates Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f Also be sure to check out New Number Ones posted every week on our YouTube channel!

John, how much blood are you coughing up these days? At the moment, not very much. But still a little bit. I mean, yeah, you have to cough up a little bit. It's healthy. It's healthy to cough up a little bit. Yeah, well, that blood in you. Get it out. Get it out. Yeah. You don't need that much.

Yeah. It can't all be whizzing around inside you. Sometimes it's just having selfish. I'm just hoarding it. Yeah. Exactly. It has to come out through the mouth, or sometimes. like through the p-hole. I get it. Sometimes blood just has to come out. And that's why

women have menstrual cycles. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Smart Winters. My name is Corey. With me's Dylan. John. How's it going? That was a quick start. That can't be it. Are you sure it can't be it? Have you heard some of the

other things we've started off the show? Yeah, that's very sure. I'm used this with science. Yeah, you know. Everybody knows that the menstrual cycle is nothing, but women's bodies purging the excess blood they don't need. We knew that. Yeah.

That's why the rest of us in the male population, because we don't have that particular part of our anatomy, we engage in self-flagellation. Yeah, that's why. That's exactly why. Certainly not because I'm a priest and I'm sleeping with a young woman in the village. Is this still a scenario or? I don't know. I just started going into the plot of the Scarlet Letter for some reason.

I don't know why I felt the need to get literary, but I've been reading a lot. Literary and scientific. We get everything on this show. We're educational, man. Take your kids out of public school. We'll homeschool them for free. I hope your kids like X, man. Hope your kids like X, man.

It always comes back to it and Venom. That being said, we're looking for places to start. John, it's from my understanding that you're the person who came to us with the topic of the day. That is correct. I was listening to an episode you guys had recorded without me while I was on my many adventures. And I heard Dylan say that he's never read any Daredevil, which I found incredible because Daredevil is amazing.

There's lots of good stuff to dive into there. So I figured, well, maybe I could do Dylan and anyone else out there who hasn't read any Daredevil a service and suggest some jumping on points. I think that sounds like a good idea. I think it sounds like a really good idea. I think that's ultimately, it's one of the things about comic books that I find to be maybe a little silly is when you talk to someone who's kind of new to it or they're wanting to get started. And they're like, well, like, how do I get started? Like, where do I start? There's all of this history.

Some of these characters are nearly 100 years old and others are like 60, 70 years old, you know. So that being said, John is a very big fan of Daredevil. Dylan has never read Daredevil. And I have a very odd Daredevil experience and background, John, because the run of Daredevil that I read is probably the least like traditional daredevil ever. Can you take a stab in the record? What run that is? I mean, maybe the Mark Wade run.

You got it. The Mark Wade run. I jumped, yeah, yeah, well done. And like I said, it's the least Daredevil run ever. So, John, got to walk us through what we're going to be doing here today. Real quick. Before we do that, you were talking about your jumping off point into Daredevil. Like, I haven't read any Daredevil. I did want to read some of them.

There are a couple of stories I have wanted to read. I just haven't got to round them. So if they come up during the course of the show, I will let you know. Okay, cool. I'm sure they will. Let's find out, I guess. I know. I mean, where else to start at the beginning, I guess?

Like, I mean, if you're a completist like me, you might want to try and read it. from issue one all the way through to issue whatever we're on now. And honestly, I would not recommend this because the Daredevil, from those early issues, is not really Daredevil character who, you know, sort of gained a lot of fans over the years and inspired TV shows and movies and all that kind of jazz. It's a very, I mean, it's Stanley writing it for one thing, so you know it's quite verbose and like there's lots of silliness going on. It's full of puns. Yeah.

It's got all of Stan's trademarks going on, a lot of goofy villains and stuff. But I mean, if I was to say any issue from that early run, like there's like a few issues you could point out like issue two in. introduces the owl. Issue 4 introduces the Purple Man. Eight is, introduces the stilt man, which is obviously a major thing in comics. Classic character.

But like issue 7 was like kind of the first classic Daredevil issue. Can I? I want to pause you before we get into issue 7. That was a murderer's row of some of the worst supervillain names ever. The villain, the purple man, and stilt man.

If you have no context for who those people are. Oh, do I say the villain? I meant the owl. The owl. The owl. Purple man and stiltman. Stiltman. Yes.

One said with no context as to who they are. Yeah, yeah. Or it's attached behind them. So I'd pretty funny terrible. So like, we know what they are. So like just from context, like, you know, like, I don't really quite know the Owls deal, but I know that he is,

he is a serious character. Purple Man, of course, has the very nefarious ability of being able to make people do whatever it is he wants them to do whilst also being completely purple. And Stilt Man is, of course, stiltman, known and loved. Don't need to say any more about Stiltman. No, it does exactly what it says on the tin.

Yeah. So that being said, Um, that is sort of like the kitchiness of that 1960s run with Stan Lee is that these are very like kind of iconic villains, but like kind of captures that silliness in other words. Yeah, definitely. Okay. Uh, so continue on, uh, with issue seven. Uh, so yeah, issue seven was the issue where Daredevil first starts wearing his like iconic red costume. Before that, he'd been in this sort of yellow and black costume.

The yellow one? Yeah, which, yeah, it doesn't look very good. But I guess you could, he was blind. He didn't know what the colors looked like. But not only was it the debut of that costume, but like the whole plot of the issue was like, Namor had come onto mainland and he was rampaging throughout New York. and Daredevil decided to stop him

despite being completely overpowered like Daredevil is just basically a normal guy with sort of gymnastics skills and boxing background and the you know sort of like six cents that he has but

Namor is way way more powerful and just basically just kept beating Daredevil down but Daredevil keeps coming back to kind of you know try and stop him even, you know, he gets to the point of, like, exhaustion and just collapses. And that's enough to stop Namor because he's, like, earned his respect.

And that's kind of, like, a good sort of representation of what Daredevil is as a character. He's the kind of guy who will keep fighting. And, like, you know, he won't give up even in the face of, like, you know, the hardest adversity. So, yeah, that's like probably the first good issue of Daredevil. So I have a question for you. Yeah. Because we talked about the yellow and blackish costume. Like, is, do you know why they started with the yellow and blackish?

And then they were like, no, this isn't working. Like, aside from the obvious, like, he looks like he, like a condiment as like Mr. ketchup? I mean, I don't know what the actual reason was behind it. I can't remember what the in-comic reasoning for it was. Yeah. I would imagine part of it thematically is because if his name is Daredevil and he has little horns on his head. We should make him look like the devil.

Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah, we'll just fucking, I don't know, black and yellow like a wasp. that's fine some wasp wear red or whatever like fucking who cares you know the uh

it took him a couple of issues to be like we should seem this better so from what I from what I was able just to do on a quick search and we'll question the accuracy of this because this is not very this is not me doing any significant reading

um the statement is that Stan Lee and artist Wallywood changed it to the iconic all red suit simply because it was more dynamic looking and visually appealing. There you go. Makes sense. Yeah, this whole period wasn't that great.

Another goofy thing that was introduced was Matt's twin brother in inverted commas because it was actually him playing his twin brother, Mike, who he convinced like Foggy and Karen Page was actually Daredevil rather than taking the heat on himself.

So he was essentially playing like three different roles as Matt Murdoch, Mike Murdoch, who was like this guy who dressed like a pimp and was very boisterous and kind of a hip cat to use the parlance at the times.

And yeah, so it's just weird stuff going on. A question about that. Could Mike Murdoch see? He always wore sunglasses, but not kind of the style that blind people wear, I guess. Was the implication that he could see there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Not Matt Murdoch because Matt Murdoch is blind, but Mike Murdoch wore sunglasses because he's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How long did he think that was going to work for? Well, I mean, it lasted. quite a few issues. I think before somebody's like, hey, read this newspaper. He's like, ah, wow. I have to go.

Yeah, yeah. He did get killed off at one point. Why? Well, Matt realized this isn't really working, playing three roles. So there was like this, these villainous trio called the Unholy Three. And if you thought those villain names were bad before, How about ape man, bird man, and cat man as the unholy three?

Unholy! You know, there was... In Batman, there's the terrible trio, I believe it's their name. And one wears a fox mask, one wears a vulture mask, and one wears a shark mask. So I don't know what the deal is with this, but that's coincidental, to say the very least. Okay. And terrible as well. So did he...

So how did he kill himself off? So like the Unholy 3 had some sort of plot with a bomb or something. The bomb goes off. For a second, I think we're going to say with Bomb Man. And I went, sure. Oh, God. Why the fuck not? He's unholy.

Yeah. The Unholy Bomb Man. The Unholy Bomb Man. But yeah, the explosion went off. And I think he left like a devil costume in amongst the debris to make it look like Mike had died or at least been vaporized except for a costume

which makes no sense whatsoever but that costume has made a stronger stuff yeah like destroy whole cities but not closed so yeah that will just like bin that off that's not a good jumping on point to start don't need to read that

don't jump into the Mike Murdoch journey definitely don't do that Although he does come back later, but that's like a whole different kettle of fish, which we probably won't get into. So like the next sort of significant period is like issues 97, I believe, to 109, where Daredevil upsticks and goes to San Francisco. And it becomes like a team book between him and Black Widow, who, yeah. you know, they're in a relationship and are just, like, you know, having a good time on the West Coast, I guess. Like, it kind of still has this sort of swash-blockling vibe, as the early issues does as well. Like, we think of Daredevil being kind of more serious character, a bit more angsty.

but at this point in time he was still kind of freewheeling a bit more happy and lighthearted I guess but again I wouldn't really recommend this because this period there's not a lot really going on of note so I'd say we can skip this one as well so this is a weird thing to say but would you say that largely, despite the fact that the Silver Age is the introduction of these characters, a lot of the Silver Age is skippable?

Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of things that happen, which have major repercussions for the rest of the Daredevil Books. It's like, yeah, the sort of status quo is established early on with, you know, Matt Murdoch, Foggy and Karen Page, it's like this trio of two of them lawyers and one's their receptionist and then

Matt and Karen have a relationship and then he breaks off to go with Black Widow but like that in terms of like major events is basically all that happens really in those early issues like this is a weird

question to ask about Black Widow is this Black Widow when she's a brunette wearing like a weird like spidery costume or are we in redhead like espionage Black Widow at this point? I'm pretty sure it's the

like familiar espionage Black Widow. I think she's still she's paired up with either her husband or no, it can't be a husband but like a handler or uncle or something who's

like living with her and Matt at the time. which is, yeah, kind of weird, I guess. Hey, Matt, this is my living husband. Matt, Matt joins the polycule. I like the idea she tells her husband about, because he's like, Matt can't see. He doesn't know you're here. Yeah.

Yeah. Just stand really quietly in the corner. You won't notice. Christ. Anyway. Oof. So this next bit is kind of where I would personally jump in. if I was going to start Daredevil.

And this is Frank Miller's run. He joins the book as an artist in issue 158. Then he starts doing a bit of co-scripting alongside Roger McKenzie. By issue 165, he takes over the dialogue. And then in 168, that's when he kind of takes full control of the book. where he's doing the art, the script, and everything, basically. And this is where Daredevil becomes, you know, the Daredevil we kind of know and recognize today, basically.

Introducing elements like Electra, who gets brought in in that first issue that he does, bringing in that more kind of gritty, noir style that, like Frank Moller style that, like Frank Miller is sort of famous for. And it's also where, like, we start seeing, like, Kingpin come into the comics. Because up until this point, he'd been strictly a Spider-Man villain. In Issue 170, he gets introduced to the Daredevil World as well. And obviously, becomes his, like, main antagonist for the rest of the run, basically. we also get introduced to the hand in 174

and then yeah we get like some iconic moments so issue 181 bullseye seemingly kills Elektra and she dies in Matt Murdoch's arms which is like just the whole sequence of those panels is some of my favorite comics of all time

We also get Daredevil's first encounter with the Punisher at this point in issue 183. And like, you know, those two like heroes, if you can call Punisher, a hero who have blasted repeatedly over the years because of their ideological differences. So this is the first instance of like them kind of, you know, going up against, each other and the way they do things. So it's all interesting stuff going on in this run. So when you first... How long is that run?

Well, technically, Frank Miller was on the book, well, like in control of the book from 168 to 191, then he does come back for a brief run from issues 227 to 233 where he does the born again

storyline which is the one where Karen Page returns to the book and it's revealed she's a heroin addict now who's also like a porn actress she's at a lowest ebb and so it sounds great very Frank Miller yeah and because of her desperate

situation, she sells out Daredevil's secret identity for another hit, basically. And that information gets all the way up to Kingpin, who then decides to make Matt Murdoch's life a living hell. So there is a,

there have been many stories about this, but I have so many things I want to say, and I'm curious about, and I'd love to get your insight on. But the first thing is that storyline of Karen Page selling out Daredevil's identity to, presumably a drug dealer that makes all of its way up to Kingpin.

They've told that sort of story in Batman before about like some low level guy who figures out that Batman's Bruce Wayne and he like tries to like leverage that. And usually it always comes down to the villain like refusing to believe him because he's like why would I believe you? You're a low level

guy. So it's like why would why would the kingpin believe this random drug dealer or believe all this stuff that came from like a woman on like desperate for heroin. So like, I appreciate Frank's idea to a degree. Execution. He could have tightened that up a little bit. Um, iconic storyline, though, so I'm not going to fault for it. It just, you have to poke a little bit at the logic on that one. Um, when we first started, when you first brought this idea up of like, what's a good jumping on point for Daredevil being the theme of the episode. I was excited for a couple of reasons. One, because I know that Daredevil is one of your favorite characters. And we've just never talked about Daredevil. for the most part. He just doesn't come up in conversation. So it's an opportunity for you to get to really talk about a character you're passionate about, which I'm always excited, you know, for people to do. Secondly, Frank Miller is the first person I really thought of because again, like it was

kind of like I was hint, I was thinking about was like for the most part, a lot of characters, the silver age, you can kind of just skip because it wasn't until like the more bronze age as it's referred to or or what have you, whatever you want to call it. Um, Frank Miller coming in and giving Matt Murdoch, his Catholic guilt is like what kind of really set the character up for how he's considered. Like Frank Miller is who made Daredevil iconic, you know, with the Elektra storyline and what have you. Uh, so that, that was really the, what I wanted to bring up. Because I, that's what I think of when I think of Daredevil, I think of Frank Miller. Um, yeah, the other thing I wanted to mention and I'm curious about your insights, because you guys are big Spider-Man guys.

what are your thoughts on the fact that kingpin kind of got taken from spider man and given to daredevil like are you are you cool with that is it like do you do you wish that he would have been he would have stayed more of a spider man villain because like aside from if it wasn't for the animated series i wouldn't think of spider man the kingpin i think it's a great idea in that it's a really cool, obvious way to show that they're in the same city. Yeah. Obviously, the kingpin, if he really was the kingpin of crime, would have larger overreaching effects that would happen to not just Spider-Man,

but to other people in the city as well. So would Daredevil to be, who is also a very low level, like a street level kind of character, it makes sense that both him and Spider-Man would, go after the kingpin or would have dealings with the kingpin i think it totally works yeah yeah i agree like and i think as well um dare devil didn't really have that sort of um arch enemy as well you're telling me is that owl and purple man and stilt man yeah i mean yeah the devil's really jealous of those stilts

which he can't see. But yeah, I mean, him and Kingpin go together like, you know, bread and butter. So it was a good match and obviously one that has continued throughout the years as well, whereas Spider-Man has been fine without Kingpin being like a regular antagonist, even though they still do cross-paths here and there. stories, but it's just not with the frequency of...

I mean, if it wasn't for the Kingpin, Spider-Man wouldn't have sold his marriage to marry Jane to Mepesto. There you go. Kingpin just popped up to do that and it fucked off again. And Spider-Mouth was like, that's fine. Spironding single again.

Forget, don't worry by King Finn. Mother's lock up your daughters. Spider-Man's on the prowl. And then it is, Kingpin. I owe you. a favor because Peter Parker, you're back on the market, and let me tell you, no, what do you wants me? Yeah. Yeah. What was that?

There's very, it gets memed a lot, the panels of Daredevil making out with Black Cat and Spider-Man just like hanging up on a wall going like, yep, this is the beginning of my villain origin. Or daredevil taking all Spider-Man stuff. He's just slick, man, he's just cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. Six sunglasses.

So, um, so, oh, sorry, Dylan. Well, all I was going to say was I had two storylines that I really wanted to read. And one of them was the, the Frank Miller. Mm-hmm. I suspected we would get the both at some point, but that's, that's one of them. Yeah, I would highly recommend it if you can find it. Uh, I mean, it should be easy enough. I think there, it's starting to get released.

There's like a Marvel epic collection. Like the first chunk of his run has definitely been collected. And I imagine another book isn't a million miles away as well. So worth checking out. So yeah, there's that era. And like I say, that would be the one I would suggest jumping on. But if we fast forward again, I mean, I wanted to give a brief mention to this.

It's like a very isolated part of it, but it's sort of a follow-on from the Frank Miller run where it was by a guy called Dan G. Chichester. And it's a little name. Yeah. It's still, man. It's called Last Rights, and it's basically between Dead Devil 297 and 300.

where their devil kind of get revenge for all the shit that Kingpin has put in through by dismantling his criminal empire and, yeah, basically return in the favor. So it's like a nice little sort of

bookend to the Frank Miller run if you ever do go down that route. Okay. So... Oh, go ahead. Well, so, John,

I, I'm sure we'll probably get to this. I don't want to, I guess I don't want to take the water by bringing this up now necessarily. But, um, so Frank Miller's run is considered sort of like the seminal daredevil run. And it's sort of like when a creator comes onto a book and they leave such a distinctive mark on it, it sometimes feels like everybody that follows is just trying to recreate that same energy and that same vibe. is that something like for example grant morrison on doom patrol doom patrol was like this book from the silver age that was like kind of like weirdo

characters and like strange stuff would happen but it sort of like just it was like a fever dream and then like they brought it back in the bronze age and it wasn't doing so great and they brought grant morrison in and grant morrison's one who introduced like dada philosophy and art and all sorts of really out of the box thinking and it seems like everybody who came after Grant Morrison on Doom Patrol was just trying to out weird Grant, if it was at all possible to do. So do you think that that's sort of the same energy that happened with Frank? Frank set the bar and everybody else is just trying to get to the bar.

I think so, yeah, to a certain extent. Like, I think the first writer after Frank Miller was Danny O'Neill as well. Oh, Dan, yeah. Yeah, he just basically picked up the bat and ran with it as well, like very much in line with the style of Daredevil stories that Frank Miller was writing. And like you say, it just felt like that's basically the way it was going the next 15 years or so, basically. there's not a lot in that time which I would want to highlight or suggest as like a good jumping on point so I think like the next best place to go from here would probably be the introduction of Marvel Knights in 1998 which was like a specific line of comics that they released I guess

guest trying to peer to new readers and whatnot. So we got a new Daredevil number one through this. And it was written by Kevin Smith of Morrats fame. Mallrats, that's the one you went with? Mallrats? That was my favorite one.

Oh, fair enough. I was like dogma, chasing Amy, fucking clerks. Mollrats. All right. Yeah. Fair enough. Good film. I like moreats. It's got Stanley cameo as well, so.

Sure does. There you go. But yeah, he wasn't around for a long time. I think he may have ran into some issues with getting stuff out on time as well, as it tends to be the case. But it was a storyline which involved bullseye killing Karen Page. and Mysterio was revealed to be the villain in it having been diagnosed with like an inoperable brain tumour so he decided to go out with a flourish by fucking up someone's life

and at this point he thought Spider-Man was still a clone he'd somehow pieced together that it wasn't the original Spider-Man and so he thought well fuck it I'll just I'll mess with Daredevil instead to Barney. There it is again. Daredevil. Stealing some Spider-Man shit. Pulling that thread. Taking a little bit more each time. Yep.

This was the second one out of two that I wanted to read. Oh, okay. Is neither the two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had read Kevin Smith. The thing about it is, the Kevin Smith work on the Daredevil run had like a lot of ripples

that went, because obviously in Spider-Man Mysterio quite a popular character. So, find out that A, Mysterio killed himself, B, it didn't happen in a Spider-Man issue, had a lot of, like, repercussions later on. Yeah, yeah. By the way, as you probably know,

we're not explained in a satisfactory manner, which I think is a real, that is a real Spider-Mont problem, which is somebody fucking. something up and then somebody else years later just goes oops and then yeah there you go

that's all you get so I wanted to read this no I wanted to read it because I've heard it was really good but I also knew what the repercussions of that storyline were and he was clearly quite a big they obviously had a lot of trust

in Kevin Smith for them to be able to go yeah fucking kill Mysterio like whatever that's a big because to contrast with that I read Kevin Smith's Spider-Man run

which was also plagued by a lot of delays and episodes not or issues not being released on time but also wasn't very good I didn't like it sometimes the creator just doesn't mesh

with a certain character I think that's why I want to read the Daredevil run because I heard it was really really good then I read this it's like a spider-man and black cat thing and I'm like this is all bad John do you know the one I'm talking about I don't think I've actually read that one

oh I don't like it some people might like it if that's what you're going to find I really didn't like it I liked like the concept of it like there's a really good idea in there somewhere yeah it feels like a mixture of there being a good idea in concept that wasn't fully explored

but also I feel like it was only like a six-issue run but I feel like you can really tell at some point where they're like just give us the issues I need to hurry off and he's like you know you can tell and it's a shame

it's um I don't like it but I am really intrigued about his stair double run because I've heard it's really good so that's why I want to read it because I'm like it's not really good so I really want to see if there's a I wouldn't if you have the chance to buy the Spider-Man one I wouldn't

but if you have the chance to read it for free in the library absolutely so you're mentioning Kevin Smith just as a quick aside and I only bring this up because in the recent yeah mallrats in the recent DC Marvel crossovers they did, Kevin Smith did do a Daredevil Green Arrow team-up short story in it,

which is significant because in the world of DC Comics, Kevin Smith is who they trusted to resurrect Oliver Queen from the Dead with his Green Arrow Quiver storyline, which is a really good Kevin Smith run. So like you said, sometimes creators and characters just don't mesh, but it sounds like Daredevil and Green Arrow were two characters that he fucking hit it out of the park with. So yeah, John, uh, it's not anything else from the Kevin Smith Marvel Knights run? Because I do have a question for you about Marvel Knights. Okay. Uh, what?

Do you want to ask that? And we'll see how I can answer it. Sure, sure. So the Marvel Knights imprint, was that meant to be like a mature comics line? Yeah. Like, yes, I believe so. So it was sort of like, their answer to vertigo for a bit.

Yeah, yeah. I think this was around a period where, like, a lot of sales were suffering. So they kind of wanted to do something a bit more edgy and kind of, I guess, or stand alone as well, not like too entrenched in everything else that was going on. and yeah so they came up with these books and I don't know like I don't think many of them lasted very long really

Daredevil I'm pretty sure was the one that lasted the longest but yeah did you read the Spider-Man one I think I've got those books somewhere yeah I'm pretty sure I do I also hate that Corey we talked with this I think we did.

I don't remember if it was three of us or if it was two of us, but we'd definitely talk to me because I was the superior 16, I believe. The, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, my only proper experience with Marvel Knights was, uh, before, it was after Peter David's X-Factor run before his new X-Factor run. He had a multiple man miniseries called Multiple Choice. That was released under the Marvel Knights line. So it goes like a six-issue mini

And that was used as the The front door to the new X Factor comic That he wrote throughout the 2000s Is that the one with Leila Miller? Yes, this is pre-Leyla Miller getting introduced though So this is a just Jamie Madrox on his own Aside from cameos from Wolfsbane and Strong Guy in the beginning But it leads into his run which

Yes Okay, because that's one I read really good good run it is really good so john uh post kevin smith what happens next with daredevil

uh so after kevin smith leaves the book we get uh david mack briefly who introduces the character of echo who has like uh like similarities to dare devil where she

i think i can't remember what her powers are now but she uh um she's deaf right kind of yeah she's that's right she's deaf and but she can still kind of do stuff around her deafness um yeah that then leads into brian michael bender's taken over the book um and like he starts off by seemingly killing the kingpin and having like some goon basically replace him because the goon is fed up with the idea that Kingpin knows who Daredevil is in real life and doesn't do anything with that information

to properly fuck him up. This guy called Sammy Silk basically takes over and Fisk is out of the book for a while kind of recovering and then yeah, eventually Eventually, Vanessa kind of comes back, who's Kingpin's wife, and she takes revenge on all the people who had sided with this Sammy Silk guy to take out the kingpin, which includes killing her own son, Richard Fisk.

So, like, it's a pretty gnarly start to the run, which does some major things for, like, you know, Kingpin and his, like, associated characters, I guess. And yeah, I mean, it seems to be almost as much a book about that side of things as much as it is with Daredevil as well. Like... How did he kill the kingpin?

I believe it was like a Julius Caesar situation where he got like stabbed a bunch and then I think he got shot in the face as well. which for some reason didn't kill him, but it did make Kingpin blind for a brief while. Okay. So common by the logic, what we've learned is that you can get shot in the head, and you'll either get amnesia or you'll go blind.

Yeah, basically. There you go. That's the check side from what I know about anatomy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Everybody knows the brain is memory and seeing shit. Well, if you get shot in the face, it's a good chance to lose part of the face.

exactly but the eyes grow back so it's fine exactly just takes a lot yeah we all know this not for Derek novel

but everybody else it's like losing your teeth every time you lose a tooth another one grows back just like when you're a kid right every single time right yeah try it out

yeah all your teeth are right now kids well maybe not kids because the kids I feel like it will come back and it might prove something exactly so like

yeah adults I'll keep going and if it hurts it just means you're doing it right true about many things in life so yeah this brown Michael Bendis run

carries on he meets like a new love interest in Miller Donovan who like down the stretch has like just the worst luck she basically I think in the span of about 12 issues, she meets

Matt Murdoch, she marries Matt Murdoch, she divorces Matt Murdoch, and then she gets institutionalized, so Yeah, and then sells an entity to open. Yeah, that's what she should have done, but

someone beat it to it. That's a shame. So yeah, and then Endos basically ends his run, with Kingpin handing over a bunch of files on Daredevil to the FBI. And because of his vigilante activities, he gets arrested and put in prison. And that's where he kind of, you know, like leaves things for Ed Brubaker to pick up.

And to his credit, Ed Brubaker does a great job of picking it up and kind of running with the ball. man i might bryan michael bendus man he'll do that to you he's like here you sort this out i just remember was was bennis the writer that cori doesn't like yeah that's true yes then his inability to put the toys back in the toy box that's someone else's problem to clean up not mine ask a quick question about that right yeah air devil gets arrested and goes to prison Yes. So at what point where they're like, while you're in prison,

we'll just leave your mask on. We're not going to ask who you are or see who you might be. We're just going to... Oh, no. He goes in prison as Matt Murdoch because he's sort of been exposed as Daredevil. But then while he's in prison, it turns out there's another Daredevil running around, like doing heroics in Hell's Kitchen, who it turns out. out is actually iron fist under the mask.

Is this exactly Mike Murdoch? Yeah, it's like to help kind of prove that Matt Murdoch isn't their devil. Okay. And it couldn't possibly be like a blue blazer situation where two people could easily be it. Yeah, I don't know what you mean. So, so yeah, that reminds me they did that recently in Nightwing within the last year or so where Dick Grayson had to be somewhere publicly. and like Bruce Wayne was posing as Nightwing. It's like, suddenly Nightwing is a little taller and built like a brick shit house.

So weird. These signs exactly like Bruce Weird. I'm Batman. At the same time, weird. Anyway. Yeah. So this run is pretty good. Like it has like, yeah, I mean, you could go wrong with Brew Baker.

And it feels like the Bendis run and the. the Brewbreaker run are so closely tied together. You kind of if you do make it, you're jumping on point. You kind of have to do them both. Of course they're tied together. Vindis left the mess. Yeah, yeah.

I mean... Bruebaker didn't get a clean start. He had to pick up all the other shit out first. Yeah, if you started episode one and the Brue Baker one, you're like, none of those mixed any time. With no contact. Yeah. Oh, boy.

We do an episode someday where Corey just goes fucking bad shit up. 15 minutes alone is going to be dedicated to the moon night run he did. Jesus Christ. Oh, boy. I look forward to that episode so much. Not, you know, no one's ever going to accuse Bendis arresting on his laurels except, you know, now. Anyway, Bruebaker. Yes.

The only bad thing I'll say about the Brubaker run is it ends in a storyline called Shaddleland, where basically Daredevil gets corrupted by the hand, and he becomes its leader, and he's, like, possessed by the beast, which is, like, the hands demonic, you know, boss or whatever. and so he builds like a temple in the middle of New York and has ninjas running around all over the place doing his bidding and yeah all the heroes or street level heroes I should say kind of band together and help free him from his possession and yeah that's basically how the end at the run ends is dead of all kind of reassessing things and that leads nicely into Mark Wade to run which like we mentioned before is very

different to what came before it whereas like Brue Baker and Bendis and Kevin Smith all following along the same sort of lines as Frank Miller Mark Wade kind of goes back to the beginnings of

Daredevil and tries to give it more of a swashbuckling kind of lighthearted feel. But then he's still doing some like interesting things with it as well, like hinting at the depression under the surface that Matt is kind of trying to push down as much as possible to, you know, to not let it consume his life like it has in the past. Yeah. Like I said, that's the run that I read. And like I said, I read it because of,

Chris Samney who was doing the art and I love Samney's art. Because it is very fun. And like if you're going to like try to do this story of like return to the swashbuckling silver age days of Daredevil, that's the right art for it. Because that's like the big thing is like Matt's smiling more. And it makes everyone uncomfortable. Like foggy is like Matt, are you sure you're fine? He's like yeah, man, everything's fucking great, you know? Um, it also gave him. of us the great panel of Matt at a Christmas party wearing a sweater that says, I'm not Daredevil on it, which I always enjoyed. And also was it, it was a,

I don't remember the character's name, but she was kind of introduced as a, as a somewhat potential love interest who started working in. Justin McAfee. Yes. And, um, her like taking her shirt off to like, it had like writing on her bra to see if Matt was like looking at her not. at her to try to prove whether or not he was daredevil. Very fun panel. Yeah. But yeah, so

Wade did a lot of really interesting stuff with that because I remember the character Akari being introduced in that run. Yes. And Akari, Dylan, is sort of like a he was like a combo of the

yellow and red daredevil costume and then the more demonic parts of the Daredevil stuff from like Shadowland because he was tied to the hand, wasn't he? Yes, yeah, definitely. Okay. Now, I would not, I would say that though

as if you're wanting to get into Daredevil, I would not recommend the Mark Waite run. Because it is, it's, it's, it's not a proper Daredevil run in the sense of like, it's not the character that you're going to usually see or you're used to seeing. And that's what kind of made fun and stand out was it was the opposite.

But if you're trying to get into Daredevil, take it for me. I wouldn't start there. Yeah, I think I can see where you're coming from. Yeah. It would be like if you were going to read like Spider-Man for the first time and you started on the big time storyline era where it's like he's running the company and he's got a lot of fucking money and you're like, I don't know what everybody thinks so great about the Spider-Man character.

What the fuck? Yeah, you read one episode and go, well, he's doing well for himself. I'm happy. Yeah. Put it back at the show. Put it back on the show. Nothing wrong.

Spider-Man. I'm going to say okay in his time. Fair enough. That's fair enough. I can see that. I would say, like, one of the interesting things that Wade did in his run is basically have Matt Murdoch drop the Daredevil kind of costume.

And he, like, at this point, he'd sort of moved to, San Francisco again, him and Kirsten, to start a new life because he'd been disbarred from you know, practicing law in New York because of his identity, you know, and everything. Yeah. So he moves to San Francisco and when he can't pass the bar there, he's just like, I'll just, you know, do heroics, but he does it in like a red suit and just as himself basically, but still doing daredevil things I think he also writes

an autobiography at the time as well so it feels like a lot of this had kind of you know broken so far away from the traditional daredevil mold

but to Mark Wade's credit he does try and put things you know back in the box before he passes on the character that is the storyline with the purple man's children to kind of put daredevil's secret identity back to being secret again. So at least then when the next writer comes in, in this case Charles Sol, he can kind of start from scratch and, you know, get back to doing whatever daredevil stuff he wants to do.

I would say that is going to be like the last jumping on point I would point out is Charles Sol's run where Matt is back in New York, he becomes the assistant DA and then he kind of wins this Supreme Court court case where he argues that superheroes shouldn't have to remove their mass to testify in court. And that kind of sets off a whole chain of events where Wilson Fisk is pissed off with superheroes

being able to ruin his criminal enterprises. So he's like, well, I'm going to become mayor of New York to counter this and make heroes' lives a living hell. And he does so. And he brings Matt on as like his deputy mayor initially

just to fuck with him. And then that soon goes pear-shaped and they split apart and yeah like stuff happens basically kingpin basically ends up being mayor of new york for a good few years and marvel continuity and they do a good job him charlesol and chip zardsky but after him do a really good job of kind of mining or the storyline potential they can out of Kingpin being the mayor so

it's also proved quite influential on the Daredevil Born Again TV series and yeah I would definitely recommend that as well but it's again it's something that's kind of steeped in

Daredevil history which maybe you want to go back and read to kind of be familiar with but I think you could easily jump in there and kind of just pick it up, especially if you're familiar with the TV series to kind of start off with. Well, I'm not.

There you go. Well, there you go. Never seen it. It's got Daredevil in it. I know that. This is true. Vanessa. There's a lot of Vanessa in it. When I was a boy. Wasn't Deadpool's girlfriend called Vanessa?

Yeah. Vanessa's out there, man. Different Vanessa, though. Well, yeah, I would hope so. So, John, are we still, are you still moving through, like, since you mentioned this is the last jumping on point, are you wanting to continue down discussing other Daredevil creators right now? Or are we, like, at a point where we can kind of have some free-range discussion? I think we're at a point where we can put loose and talk about whatever. Okay.

So a character that you haven't mentioned by name, but I don't. have always, well, and a writer that you've not mentioned by name that I always was told was like a seminal Daredevil writer, and I'm curious about your thoughts is Anacentee. Thoughts on Anacente's run with Daredevil, and was there

anything, because you didn't mention it was a good jumping on point, was it just in that sort of just carrying on what Frank Miller was doing or what have you? It wasn't as good about this. I mean, yeah, she Her run was sort of like the, I want to say early 90s.

I don't think she came in as early as the late 80s. But yeah, her run was sort of famous for introducing typhoid Mary. Yeah, that was my second question was. Typhoid Mary was a character that wasn't brought up in this discussion so far. No, no. I mean, when I first, I collect in Daredevil Books, like the Miller stuff was first, and then I did pick up some of these comics from around this time as well. And again, I think it's like a good continuation of, like, you know, the Miller stuff.

But it's not necessarily its own thing or like its own unique. thing. I think she did do a storyline where Daredevil supposedly died and like a new person came into the

like the superhero identity but it was still Matt Murdoch. He was wearing a different costume like a gray costume and he was a bit more kind of I don't know

like kind of serious I guess. I'm not Daredevil. Look, I'm wearing gray. It's different. Like, well, okay, well, you still act and move and fight the same way as Daredevil did. You signed the same, and you have the same mannerisms. No, it's different. Look, costume, differ. So, speaking of costume changes, another one of those things I was thinking of

was the armored Daredevil costume, that, like, blackish one with, like, spikes and stuff on it? is there yeah yeah it's a story behind that thing so that's the armor I was just talking about

the costume the all right that yeah yeah yeah I think that was yeah

yeah he was still basically he's still he's still dead but he just wasn't he was like the guy I think

he's supposed to be taking over from the original Daredevil. I got it. I got it. I think that was the kind of thought behind it. There are two different dare devils

and this one is definitely not Matt Murdoch. So if you thought it was, you gotta check again, Buster. Mike, when you're like this, the item bills, like, no.

I'm obviously false. Yeah, I have a gun. A dog, sidekick. Kid dare devil. Kid dare devil. Daredevil. Dog devil, dog devil.

Got there. Devil dog. He does get a sidekick at one point as well. Is it a dog? Who's the sidekick? His sidekick was a guy called Blindspot. Oh. Who was like a kid who invents a costume, which basically I think could turn him invisible.

But then he does eventually have his eyes kind of gouged out by, I think it was Muse, the like serial killer who ends up in the Daredevil Born Again series yeah wow that took a turn I didn't last long yeah after he got his eyes guys start Matt's like I don't need you we already have somebody you can't see

it's a pretty cool look is it not it's not a bad costume the art from that Charles Saw and it was pretty good I thought it was the artist That's a good question I don't know Hopefully

Ron Garnie Possibly Henderson I'm seeing the last name Henderson on a cover with this character on it Oh

And Phil Noto Yeah Ron Garnie was the artist On the debut of the character So you go Hmm

Okay I think that's been A consistent as well With Dead Devil There's been a lot of great artists On there Like

I know is it you, Corey, who's not a fan of John Romita Jr.? No, I'm not fan. JR, JR. I'm a huge fan of him. And so Corey, I think he got worse as time went on. I feel like a lot of, like, self, like a lot of artists who are described as great writers, their art just gets terrible the further on they go.

Like, I think modern day JR, JR, I think is just messy and it's just kind of lazy. Everybody looks really blocky and squarey. Much like I feel like Frank Miller. Miller's current art is terrible as well. I would like to know what the cutoff point for that is because, you know, there's a point where JR started. 2000s. Okay.

Because you can see where he started. Yeah. He's kind of kind of ape and his father. He's not quite a style. And then like in the late 80s, like 90s, he hits his like very iconic style. Yeah. But to me again. That's when it really goes off the rails.

That's when I got into him, of course. The clone saga was in the 90s. with his beautiful artwork. I would say that he was still really good after that, but I can say, whenever you say that thing about him, like, kind of happened, because he's doing that run, or he did do that

run recently with Spider-Man. And you were like, he's kind of going to fall back on just these blocky seem to be looking characters. I'm like, I can see we were coming from with that. Yeah. Again, it's not his old work. It's his modern day stuff. Yeah.

That's, I can see. that. Did he do a run on Daredevil? Yeah, yeah. He did it with the Anakomtey run. Oh, cool. See, I love... See, I might check that out now.

I do love... And again, we're talking like late 80s, early 90s come time, aren't we? Yeah, this was... Like I say, I thought it was closer to the early 90s, but I've just looked it up And apparently her run did start in January, 1987. So she had about four years on the book.

We're hitting the sweet spot, I think. That's a good, still a good time for him. So that's another one I will check out. Because, you know, the art's quite important. Obviously, when you're talking about comic books, you're talking about how great the writing is. But, like, an awful important part of that also is the artwork because it's a graphic novel, comic books.

You need to, to, because I've read. read stories that, like, you know, the stories are great and the artworks, fucking dog shit. Like, that's an unimportant thing, too. You know, how to get the right. Yeah, the good, the artist, but the right story. Exactly. And the art, like, it's, like I was mentioning with Samney, I would, you would not want Chris Samney on any other Daredevil run, except for the Mark Wade run. Because his style is very, um, kind of light. I don't. want to call it cartoonish, but it is very, it's very gentle and very soft. Yeah. Right. And like this whole run that Mark Wade was running was Matt is absolutely doing everything he can to not be that version of Daredevil anymore, including lying to himself.

Yeah. It's much, it's like a darker story. You should have a darker kind of art work to it. Exactly. It can't, it feels strange if you have a very dark and, and grounded. story with very flowery artwork. That doesn't really, it's quite

jaw, unless it's done a purpose, but otherwise it's quite jarring and kind of like, not fun to read. Yeah. So, John, since this is sort of our first time that we've done a big focus on Daredevil on the show, how does it feel to

have the opportunity to kind of just go through this run that's obviously important to you? it feels pretty good to be honest yeah i've always uh liked daredevil as a character and kind of uh you know he's one of those guys who i think should be more popular and which is why i was like excited to see the tv series come out and the hope that maybe that would kind of um you know get more eyes on daredevil as a character. Maybe it has worked as well, because obviously he's being added to the Avengers

lineup as well, isn't he? He's going to be part of the post-Armageddon Avengers run. And like you said, he just got a new number one a few months ago with a new creative team. I know you're a trade waiter, so you'll have

to let us know in a couple months when that occurs what your thoughts on it are. Yeah. Maybe it makes me sound really like, that sounds like a slur. A trade waiter? Yeah. We had a whole episode where we discussed this.

It was when you weren't around for, Dylan. I was busy. I was in space with Kitty Perry. Eating hot dogs. And it was hard to get those hot dogs in. NASA did not want us to smuggle hot dogs up there. But we did. How did we cook them?

We'll never tell. Anyway. That being said, John, are there any sort of like ending notes that you want to put on this? Do you want, is there a run that you would say, 100% this is where you should start because you mentioned some jumping on points but as a daredevil fan and long time reader what is your expert opinion on this is where you should start so i kind of hinted at it before but like i think the frank millerun is the way to go it's the most famous version of the devil but for a good reason and it introduces so much of the kind of mythology which becomes pretty important to the character going down the stretch as well. One thing we didn't mention was, like, in terms of an origin story for Daredevil,

he did a miniseries with JRJ on the art called Daredevil the Man Without Fear, which came out sort of the mid-nighties and just goes back and kind of, fills in some of the gaps between like you know the accident that daredevil or matt murdock suffers and uh the aftermath of that and then like his college years and where he first meets electro and uh all that kind of stuff and it like just adds a bit more color to um uh like frank miller's run in the comics that preceded it yeah so maybe if uh if you wanted to like get a definitive sort of starting point for

Daredevil the character and like his origins and stuff, that would be a good place to jump in as well. Oh, well, there you go. But yeah, any last thoughts you want to make on Daredevil before we wrap it up? I'm good. You're good.

Daredevil, it's cool. Yeah. Like that old man named Stick. Oh, yeah. You never talk about stick at all. You don't talk about Stick. And that's the way or battling Jack Murdoch. But that's why you got to read the

jumping on point so that you can touch on those. I'm saying. The whole episode is why I need to read these. Or if you really want to jump on, you could watch the 2000s Ben Affleck Daredevil movie, I'm sure. I've seen it.

Oh, then you know everything there is no about Daredevil. That's everything they need to know about Daredevil. Yep. Michael Mark Duncan and Colin Barrel. I will say about the movie The original theatrical version is pretty garbage But the director's cut is awesome It gives more kind of a backstory to Matt Murdoch

As an attorney and like You know Adds a bit more favour to the characters as well So I would definitely recommend that version Well two things first of all I thought Karl Farr was great That bull's eye But you was clearly having fun

he shines in that film he is the one he's having a good time yeah nobody else is um but the second thing is like i am sick to the back teeth of every time we talk about a comic book film it's always like well the actual film sucks but the director's cut's great i'm like why don't they just give me the director's cut that's what the director is for because the research groups in the board of directors and the people who get their hands into the pot, regardless of whether or not they're qualified to do so, decided that it's not good enough. Why would you hire a director if he can't cut it the way he's supposed to cut it?

That's a great question, why David Lynch didn't make big movies after Dune. Anyway, that being said. That being said, speaking of movies, John, what is your movie count at for the year? I am now up to 696 movies for the year so far. Very nice. Still early days in July at the time of recording, so you got plenty of time.

Yeah. What was the last thing you watched? Ready or not to. Ready or not two? Okay, fair enough. That's a very recent. It's a recent release. Yeah, it came out this year, I believe. Very recently came out within the last couple months. So yeah, what thoughts? I didn't think it was as good as the first ready or not. It was like a fun and sort of surprising movie.

Going in without any expectations, there was like a lot of zigging and zagging of the plot and that made for a good experience. Whereas this, I felt like it was kind of lacking in surprises a little bit. the beats were a bit too sort of similar to the first movie. I'm a big, big fan of Samara Weaving, who's like the final girl in both of those movies. And yeah, she's great in this.

There you go. So, John, where can our watchers and listeners and viewers go see your more detailed thoughts on Ready or Not To? They can head to Letterboxed and find me at Big John Bowsky Ormond. And Dylan,

what have you been getting up to you this week? Well, I do a radio show every Monday nights on Bynne's Digital Radio dot code to UK

and you can find the link somewhere. 9 o'clock, 11 o'clock, every Monday nights. I play a lot of music on the show. I sometimes talk about

a lot of the crap you've heard me talk about on this show in between. It's a good time. Just check it out. Sometimes I stream on Twitch,

where I draw pictures. I animate those pictures and put them online on YouTube at Team Crows and I on TikTok, TeamCrow Studios, and that's it, I think. All right, there you go. I just say as well, your Team Crows videos, like the quality

is, like, gone up really high of the last couple of videos. Well, I should clarify this, that there's two of us that animate, and I think you can tell which one of us animates which videos. so the last two videos it went up were sam he made those

and you can tell he we use it we're at the moment we're using different programs and we're trying to figure out how to use the same program because one of them's easier to use the other one which is the one i've been using but yeah it's been using something else so we want to at some point combine together and start using them both these are very i think we both are very particular styles. And the reason I'm using the program I use now is because

that style comes out much easier. And it looks, I'm going to say crappy, but that's the style I'm going for. Whereas the program he's using is a little bit more professional looking. And we're going to both start using that soon. But I have projects

in this first program that I need to finish up. And once there are friends, I'll jump on to the second one. So, nice. Very much for saying that. I agree.

I think his animations are incredible. They are, you know what's really funny is we made the Pokemon one. And then we, while we were making the Pokemon one, I said, Nintendo weren't going to be happy about this. So he made a second one,

which was the call in the lawyers. And then the lawyers. And we uploaded them both. And for some reason, I don't know why, but for some reason, the send in the lawyers video on TikTok has been like

flagged like you can't see it you can't watch it the Pokemon one is totally fine but the send in the lawyers ones that we posted as a response to what we imagined

was going to be feedbacked from the Pokemon one like it's you can't be on a TikTok at all they just won't show it what the fuck I think though for the record

when you watch it they'll be they'll definitely it's on YouTube so if you've seen it on YouTube okay so you know I think there's a bit in that the TikTok watch I was like we don't think this

appropriate well there you go you probably know which but it is so let's leave that you have to watch somebody to find out it's on YouTube watch it on YouTube all right

there you go So speaking of YouTube, on this very same channel, we have our sister show, new number ones, where I find a issue number one for a smaller publisher and talk about it for about five minutes. And whether or not it's a good example of what a number one comic should be, speaking of jumping on points. This last week, I did Faceless and the Family, which the art for it was amazing. like the uh it was the writer was also the artist uh really amazing work with like geometric shapes and like color blocking and not even color blocking just black and white and shading just looked phenomenal uh it's it's definitely a book that you've got to pour yourself over while you're reading it so you can

fully appreciate like everything that's on the panel um but yeah that's here on the channel usually every sunday and in addition to that uh i also have my other show large old cup uh with where I just put on an episode yesterday today in, you know, current present day times, about a failure that I attempted to do Sunday. That just, it's just a bad idea, but we tried and it didn't work. So it is what it is. But yeah, links to that. Large old comp is also in the description.

More stuff coming for me in the pipeline for sure. But aside from that, that's going to do it for today. we will see you guys next time. Farewell. Bye-bye.