Leap of Faith - Daredevil Jumping On Points!
00:03John, how much blood are you coughing up these days?At the moment, not very much.But still a little bit.I mean, yeah, you have to cough up a little bit.It's healthy. It's healthy to cough up a little bit.Yeah, well, that blood in you.Get it out. Get it out.Yeah. You don't need that much.
00:23Yeah.It can't all be whizzing around inside you.Sometimes it's just having selfish.I'm just hoarding it.Yeah. Exactly.It has to come out through the mouth, or sometimes.like through the p-hole. I get it. Sometimesblood just has to come out. And that's why
00:37women have menstrual cycles.Hi, everybody. Welcome to Smart Winters.My name is Corey. With me's Dylan. John.How's it going?That was a quick start.That can't be it.Are you sure it can't be it?Have you heard some of the
00:53other things we've started off the show?Yeah, that's very sure.I'm used this with science.Yeah, you know.Everybody knows that themenstrual cycle is nothing, but women's bodies purging the excess blood they don't need.We knew that.Yeah.
01:12That's why the rest of us in the male population, because we don't have that particularpart of our anatomy, we engage in self-flagellation.Yeah, that's why.That's exactly why.Certainly not because I'm a priest and I'm sleeping with a young woman in the village.Is this still a scenario or?I don't know.I just started going into the plot of the Scarlet Letter for some reason.
01:38I don't know why I felt the need to get literary, but I've been reading a lot.Literary and scientific.We get everything on this show.We're educational, man.Take your kids out of public school.We'll homeschool them for free.I hope your kids like X, man.Hope your kids like X, man.
01:56It always comes back to it and Venom.That being said, we're looking for places to start.John, it's from my understanding that you're the person who came to us with the topic of the day.That is correct.I was listening to an episode you guys had recorded without mewhile I was on my many adventures.And I heard Dylan say that he's never read any Daredevil,which I found incredible because Daredevil is amazing.
02:32There's lots of good stuff to dive into there.So I figured, well, maybe I could do Dylan and anyone else out there who hasn't read any Daredevil a service and suggest some jumping on points.I think that sounds like a good idea.I think it sounds like a really good idea.I think that's ultimately, it's one of the things about comic books that I find to be maybe a little silly is when you talk to someone who's kind of new to it or they're wanting to get started.And they're like, well, like, how do I get started?Like, where do I start?There's all of this history.
03:06Some of these characters are nearly 100 years old and others are like 60, 70 years old, you know.So that being said, John is a very big fan of Daredevil.Dylan has never read Daredevil.And I have a very odd Daredevil experience and background, John,because the run of Daredevil that I read is probably the least like traditionaldaredevil ever. Can you take a stab in the record?What run that is?I mean, maybe the Mark Wade run.
03:41You got it. The Mark Wade run.I jumped, yeah, yeah, well done.And like I said, it's the least Daredevil run ever.So, John, got to walk us through what we're going to be doing here today.Real quick.Before we do that, you were talking about your jumping off point into Daredevil.Like, I haven't read any Daredevil.I did want to read some of them.
04:06There are a couple of stories I have wanted to read.I just haven't got to round them.So if they come up during the course of the show, I will let you know.Okay, cool.I'm sure they will.Let's find out, I guess.I know.I mean, where else to start at the beginning, I guess?
04:26Like, I mean, if you're a completist like me, you might want to try and read it.from issue one all the way through to issue whatever we're on now.And honestly, I would not recommend this because the Daredevil, from those early issues,is not really Daredevil character who, you know, sort of gained a lot of fans over the yearsand inspired TV shows and movies and all that kind of jazz.It's a very, I mean, it's Stanley writing it for one thing, so you know it's quite verbose and like there's lots of silliness going on.It's full of puns.Yeah.
05:14It's got all of Stan's trademarks going on, a lot of goofy villains and stuff.But I mean, if I was to say any issue from that early run, like there's like a few issues you could point out like issue two in.introduces the owl.Issue 4 introduces the Purple Man.Eight is,introduces the stilt man,which is obviously a major thing in comics.Classic character.
05:46But like issue 7 was like kind of the first classicDaredevil issue.Can I?I want to pause you before we get into issue 7.That was a murderer's rowof some of the worst supervillainnames ever.The villain, the purple man, and stilt man.
06:07If you have no context for who those people are.Oh, do I say the villain?I meant the owl.The owl.The owl.Purple man and stiltman.Stiltman.Yes.
06:18One said with no context as to who they are.Yeah, yeah.Or it's attached behind them.So I'd pretty funny terrible.So like, we know what they are.So like just from context, like, you know, like,I don't really quite know the Owls deal,but I know that he is,
06:35he is a serious character.Purple Man, of course,has the very nefarious abilityof being able to make people do whatever it ishe wants them to do whilst also being completely purple.And Stilt Man is, of course, stiltman, known and loved.Don't need to say any more about Stiltman.No, it does exactly what it says on the tin.
06:56Yeah.So that being said,Um, that is sort of like the kitchiness of that 1960s run with Stan Lee is that these are very like kind of iconic villains, but like kind of captures that silliness in other words.Yeah, definitely.Okay.Uh, so continue on, uh, with issue seven.Uh, so yeah, issue seven was the issue where Daredevil first starts wearing his like iconic red costume.Before that, he'd been in this sort of yellow and black costume.
07:33The yellow one?Yeah, which, yeah, it doesn't look very good.But I guess you could, he was blind.He didn't know what the colors looked like.But not only was it the debut of that costume,but like the whole plot of the issue was like,Namor had come onto mainland and he was rampaging throughout New York.and Daredevil decided to stop him
08:00despite beingcompletely overpoweredlike Daredevil is just basicallya normal guy with sort ofgymnastics skills andboxing background andthe you know sort of like six centsthat he has but
08:16Namor is wayway more powerful and justbasically just kept beatingDaredevil down but Daredevil keepscoming back to kind ofyou know try and stop himeven, you know, he gets to the point of, like, exhaustion and just collapses.And that's enough to stop Namor because he's, like, earned his respect.
08:38And that's kind of, like, a good sort of representation of what Daredevil is as a character.He's the kind of guy who will keep fighting.And, like, you know, he won't give up even in the face of, like, you know, the hardest adversity.So, yeah, that's like probably the first good issue of Daredevil.So I have a question for you.Yeah.Because we talked about the yellow and blackish costume.Like, is, do you know why they started with the yellow and blackish?
09:15And then they were like, no, this isn't working.Like, aside from the obvious, like, he looks like he, like a condiment as like Mr.ketchup?I mean, I don't know what the actual reason was behind it.I can't remember what the in-comic reasoning for it was.Yeah.I would imagine part of it thematically is because if his name is Daredevil and he has little horns on his head.We should make him look like the devil.
09:47Yeah.It makes sense.Yeah, we'll just fucking, I don't know, black and yellow like a wasp.that's finesome wasp wearred or whatever likefucking who cares you knowthe uh
10:00it took him a couple of issuesto be like we shouldseem this betterso from what Ifrom what I was able just to do on a quick searchand we'll question the accuracyof this because this is not verythis is not me doing any significant reading
10:14um the statement is thatStan Lee and artist Wallywood changed itto the iconic all red suitsimply because it was more dynamic lookingand visually appealing.There you go.Makes sense.Yeah, this whole period wasn't that great.
10:35Another goofy thing that was introducedwas Matt's twin brother in invertedcommas because it was actually himplaying his twin brother, Mike,who he convincedlike Foggy and Karen Pagewas actually Daredevilrather than taking the heat on himself.
10:59So he was essentially playinglike three different rolesas Matt Murdoch, Mike Murdoch,who was like thisguy who dressed like a pimp and was veryboisterous and kind ofa hip cat to usethe parlance at the times.
11:17Andyeah, so it's justweird stuff going on.A question about that.Could Mike Murdoch see?He always wore sunglasses, but not kind of the style that blind people wear, I guess.Was the implication that he could see there.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:41Not Matt Murdoch because Matt Murdoch is blind, but Mike Murdoch wore sunglasses because he's cool.Yeah, yeah, yeah.How long did he think that was going to work for?Well, I mean, it lasted.quite a few issues. I thinkbefore somebody's like, hey, read this newspaper.He's like, ah, wow.I have to go.
12:03Yeah, yeah.He did get killed off at one point.Why?Well, Matt realized this isn't really working, playing three roles.So there was like this,these villainous trio called the Unholy Three.And if you thought those villain names were bad before,How about ape man, bird man, and cat man as the unholy three?
12:29Unholy!You know, there was...In Batman, there's the terrible trio, I believe it's their name.And one wears a fox mask, one wears a vulture mask, and one wears a shark mask.So I don't know what the deal is with this, but that's coincidental, to say the very least.Okay.And terrible as well.So did he...
12:53So how did he kill himself off?So like the Unholy 3 had some sort of plot with a bomb or something.The bomb goes off.For a second, I think we're going to say with Bomb Man.And I went, sure.Oh, God.Why the fuck not?He's unholy.
13:09Yeah.The Unholy Bomb Man.The Unholy Bomb Man.But yeah, the explosion went off.And I think he left like a devil costume in amongst the debris to make it look likeMike had diedor at least been vaporizedexcept for a costume
13:28which makes no sense whatsoeverbut that costume has made a stronger stuffyeahlike destroy whole cities but not closedso yeahthat will just like bin that offthat's not a good jumping on pointto start don't need to read that
13:46don't jump into the Mike Murdoch journeydefinitely don't do thatAlthough he does come back later, but that's like a whole different kettle of fish, which we probably won't get into.So like the next sort of significant period is like issues 97, I believe, to 109, where Daredevil upsticks and goes to San Francisco.And it becomes like a team book between him and Black Widow, who, yeah.you know, they're in a relationship and are just, like, you know, having a good time on the West Coast, I guess.Like, it kind of still has this sort of swash-blockling vibe, as the early issues does as well.Like, we think of Daredevil being kind of more serious character, a bit more angsty.
14:45but at this point in time he was still kind offreewheeling a bit more happy and lighthearted I guessbut again I wouldn't really recommend this because this periodthere's not a lot really going on of note soI'd say we can skip this one as wellso this is a weird thing to say but would you say thatlargely, despite the fact that the Silver Age is the introduction of these characters,a lot of the Silver Age is skippable?
15:23Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of things that happen,which have major repercussions for the rest of the Daredevil Books.It's like, yeah, the sort of status quo is established early on with, you know, Matt Murdoch,Foggy andKaren Page, it's like thistrio oftwo of them lawyers and one's theirreceptionist and then
15:53Matt and Karen have a relationshipand then he breaksoff to go with Black Widowbut likethat in terms of likemajor events is basically all thathappens really in thoseearly issues like this is a weird
16:10question to ask about Black Widowis this BlackWidow when she's a brunettewearing like a weird likespidery costume or are wein redhead like espionageBlack Widow at this point?I'm pretty sure it's the
16:26like familiarespionage Black Widow.I think she's stillshe's paired up witheither her husbandor no, it can't be a husbandbut like a handler oruncle or something who's
16:42like living with her and Matt at the time.which is, yeah, kind of weird, I guess.Hey, Matt, this is my living husband.Matt, Matt joins the polycule.I like the idea she tells her husband about,because he's like, Matt can't see.He doesn't know you're here.Yeah.
16:59Yeah.Just stand really quietly in the corner.You won't notice.Christ.Anyway.Oof.So this next bit is kind of where I would personally jump in.if I was going to start Daredevil.
17:19And this is Frank Miller's run.He joins the book as an artist in issue 158.Then he starts doing a bit of co-scripting alongside Roger McKenzie.By issue 165, he takes over the dialogue.And then in 168, that's when he kind of takes full control of the book.where he's doing the art, the script, and everything, basically.And this is where Daredevil becomes, you know,the Daredevil we kind of know and recognize today, basically.
18:00Introducing elements like Electra, who gets brought in in that first issue that he does,bringing in that more kind of gritty, noir style that, like Frank Moller style that, like FrankMiller is sort of famous for.And it's also where, like, we start seeing, like, Kingpin come into the comics.Because up until this point, he'd been strictly a Spider-Man villain.In Issue 170, he gets introduced to the Daredevil World as well.And obviously, becomes his, like, main antagonist for the rest of the run, basically.we also get introduced to the hand in 174
18:49and thenyeah we get like some iconic momentsso issue 181bullseye seemingly killsElektra and she dies in Matt Murdoch'sarms which is like just the wholesequence of those panelsis some of my favorite comics of all time
19:14We also get Daredevil's first encounter with the Punisher at this point in issue 183.And like, you know, those two like heroes, if you can call Punisher, a hero who have blasted repeatedly over the years because of their ideological differences.So this is the first instance of like them kind of, you know, going up against,each other and the way they do things.So it's allinteresting stuff going on in this run.So when you first...How long is that run?
20:01Well, technically, Frank Miller wason the book, well, likein control of the book from168 to191, then he doescome back for a briefrun from issues 227 to233 where he does the born again
20:22storyline which is the one whereKaren Page returns to the book and it'srevealed she's a heroin addict nowwho's also like a porn actressshe's at a lowest ebb and soit sounds greatvery Frank Milleryeah and because of her desperate
20:44situation, she sells outDaredevil's secret identityfor another hit, basically.And that information gets all the way up toKingpin, who then decidesto make Matt Murdoch'slife a living hell.So there is a,
21:04there have been many stories about this,but I have so many things I want to say,and I'm curious about, and I'd love to get your insight on.But the first thing is that storyline ofKaren Page sellingout Daredevil's identity to,presumably a drug dealer that makesall of its way up to Kingpin.
21:20They've told that sort of story in Batmanbefore about like some low levelguy who figures out that Batman'sBruce Wayne and he like triesto like leverage that.And usually it always comes down to thevillain like refusing to believe him because he's likewhy would I believe you? You're a low level
21:36guy. So it's like why wouldwhy would the kingpin believe this random drugdealer or believe all this stuff that came fromlike a woman on like desperatefor heroin. So like, I appreciate Frank's idea to a degree. Execution. He could have tightened that up a little bit. Um, iconic storyline, though, so I'm not going to fault for it. It just, you have to poke a little bit at the logic on that one. Um, when we first started, when you first brought this idea up of like, what's a good jumping on point for Daredevil being the theme of the episode. I was excited for a couple of reasons. One, because I know that Daredevil is one of your favorite characters. And we've just never talked about Daredevil.for the most part. He just doesn't come up in conversation. So it's an opportunity for you to getto really talk about a character you're passionate about, which I'm always excited, you know, for peopleto do. Secondly, Frank Miller is the first person I really thought of because again, like it was
22:30kind of like I was hint, I was thinking about was like for the most part, a lot of characters,the silver age, you can kind of just skip because it wasn't until like the more bronze age as it'sreferred to or or what have you, whatever you want to call it.Um, Frank Miller coming in and giving Matt Murdoch, his Catholic guilt is like what kind of really set the character up for how he's considered.Like Frank Miller is who made Daredevil iconic, you know, with the Elektra storyline and what have you.Uh, so that, that was really the, what I wanted to bring up.Because I, that's what I think of when I think of Daredevil, I think of Frank Miller.Um, yeah, the other thing I wanted to mention and I'm curious about your insights, because you guys are big Spider-Man guys.
23:13what are your thoughts on the fact that kingpin kind of got taken from spider man and given to daredevillike are you are you cool with that is it like do you do you wish that he would have been he wouldhave stayed more of a spider man villain because like aside from if it wasn't for the animatedseries i wouldn't think of spider man the kingpin i think it's a great idea in that it's a reallycool, obvious way to show that they're in the same city.Yeah.Obviously, the kingpin, if he really was the kingpin of crime,would have larger overreaching effects that would happen to not just Spider-Man,
23:57but to other people in the city as well.So would Daredevil to be, who is also a very low level,like a street level kind of character,it makes sense that both him and Spider-Man would,go after the kingpin or would have dealings with the kingpin i think it totally worksyeah yeah i agree like and i think as well um dare devil didn't really have that sort ofum arch enemy as well you're telling me is that owl and purple man and stilt man yeah i meanyeah the devil's really jealous of those stilts
24:41which he can't see.But yeah, I mean, him and Kingpin go together like, you know,bread and butter.So it was a good match and obviously one that has continued throughout the years as well,whereas Spider-Man has been fine without Kingpin being like a regular antagonist,even though they still do cross-paths here and there.stories, but it's just notwith the frequency of...
25:14I mean, if it wasn't for the Kingpin,Spider-Man wouldn't have sold his marriageto marry Jane to Mepesto.There you go.Kingpin just popped up to do that and it fucked off again.And Spider-Mouth was like,that's fine.Spironding single again.
25:34Forget, don't worry by King Finn.Mother's lock up your daughters. Spider-Man's on the prowl.And then it is, Kingpin. I owe you.a favor because Peter Parker, you're back on the market, and let me tell you, no, what do youwants me?Yeah.Yeah.What was that?
25:54There's very, it gets memed a lot, the panels of Daredevil making out with Black Catand Spider-Man just like hanging up on a wall going like, yep, this is the beginning of myvillain origin.Or daredevil taking all Spider-Man stuff.He's just slick, man, he's just cool.Yeah.Yeah, that's the thing.Six sunglasses.
26:16So, um, so, oh, sorry, Dylan.Well, all I was going to say was I had two storylines that I really wanted to read.And one of them was the, the Frank Miller.Mm-hmm.I suspected we would get the both at some point, but that's, that's one of them.Yeah, I would highly recommend it if you can find it.Uh, I mean, it should be easy enough.I think there, it's starting to get released.
26:40There's like a Marvel epic collection.Like the first chunk of his run has definitely been collected.And I imagine another book isn't a million miles away as well.So worth checking out.So yeah, there's that era.And like I say, that would be the one I would suggest jumping on.But if we fast forward again,I mean, I wanted to give a brief mention to this.
27:14It's like a very isolated part of it,but it's sort of a follow-on from the Frank Miller runwhere it was by a guy called Dan G. Chichester.And it's a little name.Yeah.It's still, man.It's called Last Rights,and it's basically between Dead Devil 297 and 300.
27:40where their devil kind ofget revenge for all theshit that Kingpin has put in throughby dismantlinghis criminal empireand, yeah,basically return in the favor.So it's like a nice little sort of
27:55bookend to the Frank Miller runif you ever dogo down that route.Okay.So...Oh, go ahead.Well, so,John,
28:11I,I'm sure we'll probably get to this.I don't want to, I guess I don't want to take the water by bringing this up now necessarily.But, um, so Frank Miller's run is considered sort of like the seminal daredevil run.And it's sort of like when a creator comes onto a book and they leave such a distinctive mark on it,it sometimes feels like everybody that follows is just trying to recreate that same energy and that same vibe.is that something like for example grant morrison on doom patroldoom patrol was like this book from the silver age that was like kind of like weirdo
28:52characters and like strange stuff would happen but it sort of like just it was like a feverdream and then like they brought it back in the bronze age and it wasn't doing so greatand they brought grant morrison in and grant morrison's one who introduced likedada philosophy and art and all sorts of really out of the box thinking and it seems likeeverybody who came after Grant Morrison on Doom Patrol was just trying to out weird Grant,if it was at all possible to do.So do you think that that's sort of the same energy that happened with Frank?Frank set the bar and everybody else is just trying to get to the bar.
29:28I think so, yeah, to a certain extent.Like, I think the first writer after Frank Miller was Danny O'Neill as well.Oh, Dan, yeah.Yeah, he just basically picked up the bat and ran with it as well, like very much in line with the style of Daredevil stories that Frank Miller was writing.And like you say, it just felt like that's basically the way it was going the next 15 years or so, basically.there's not a lot in that time which I would want to highlight or suggest as like a good jumping on pointso I think like the next best place to go from here would probably be the introduction of Marvel Knights in 1998which was like a specific line of comics that they released I guess
30:33guest trying topeer to new readers and whatnot.So we got a new Daredevilnumber one through this. And itwas written by Kevin Smithof Morrats fame.Mallrats, that's the one you went with?Mallrats? That was my favorite one.
30:52Oh, fair enough. I was likedogma, chasing Amy,fucking clerks. Mollrats.All right. Yeah.Fair enough.Good film.I like moreats.It's got Stanley cameo as well, so.
31:08Sure does.There you go.But yeah, he wasn't around for a long time.I think he may have ran into some issues with getting stuff out on time as well, as it tends to be the case.But it was a storyline which involved bullseye killing Karen Page.and Mysterio was revealed to be the villain in ithaving been diagnosed with like an inoperable brain tumourso he decided to go out with a flourish by fucking up someone's life
31:46and at this point he thought Spider-Man was still a clonehe'd somehow pieced together that it wasn't the original Spider-Manand so he thought well fuck it I'll just I'll mess with Daredevil insteadto Barney. There it is again.Daredevil. Stealing someSpider-Man shit.Pulling that thread. Taking a little bit more each time.Yep.
32:11This was the second oneout of two that I wanted to read.Oh, okay.Is neither the two. Yeah, yeah, yeah.I had read Kevin Smith.The thing about it is, the Kevin Smithwork on the Daredevil runhad like a lot of ripples
32:26that went, because obviously in Spider-ManMysterio quite a popular character.So, find out thatA, Mysterio killed himself,B, it didn't happen in a Spider-Man issue,had a lot of, like, repercussions later on.Yeah, yeah.By the way, as you probably know,
32:48we're not explained in a satisfactory manner,which I think is a real,that is a real Spider-Mont problem,which is somebody fucking.something up and then somebody elseyears later just goesoopsand then yeah there you go
33:04that's all you get soI wanted to read thisno I wanted to read it becauseI've heard it was really good but I also knewwhat the repercussionsof that storyline wereand he was clearly quite a bigthey obviously had a lot of trust
33:20in Kevin Smith for them to be able to goyeah fucking kill Mysteriolike whateverthat's a bigbecauseto contrast with thatI read Kevin Smith'sSpider-Man run
33:33which was also plagued by a lotof delaysand episodes notor issues not being released on timebut alsowasn't very goodI didn't like itsometimes the creator just doesn't mesh
33:50with a certain characterI think that's why I want to read the Daredevil runbecause I heard it was really really goodthen I read this it's like a spider-manand black cat thingand I'm like this is all badJohn do you know the one I'm talking aboutI don't think I've actually read that one
34:09oh I don't like itsome people might like it if that's what you're going to findI really didn't like itI liked like the concept of itlike there's a really good idea in there somewhereyeah it feels like a mixture ofthere being a good ideain concept that wasn't fully explored
34:32but also I feel likeit was only like a six-issue runbut I feel like you can really tellat some point where they're likejust give us the issuesI need to hurry off and he's likeyou knowyou can tell and it's a shame
34:49it's umI don't like it but I amreally intrigued about hisstair double run because I've heard it's really goodso that's why I want to read it because I'm likeit's not really goodso I really want to see if there's a I wouldn'tif you have the chance to buy the Spider-Man one I wouldn't
35:10but if you have the chance to read it for free in the libraryabsolutelyso you're mentioning Kevin Smithjust as a quick asideand I only bring this up because in the recentyeah mallratsin the recent DCMarvel crossovers they did, Kevin Smith did do a Daredevil Green Arrow team-up short story in it,
35:35which is significant because in the world of DC Comics, Kevin Smith is who they trustedto resurrect Oliver Queen from the Dead with his Green Arrow Quiver storyline, which is a reallygood Kevin Smith run. So like you said, sometimes creators and characters just don't mesh, but itsounds like Daredevil and Green Arrow were two characters that he fucking hit it out of the park with.So yeah, John, uh, it's not anything else from the Kevin Smith Marvel Knights run?Because I do have a question for you about Marvel Knights.Okay.Uh, what?
36:10Do you want to ask that?And we'll see how I can answer it.Sure, sure.So the Marvel Knights imprint, was that meant to be like a mature comics line?Yeah.Like, yes, I believe so.So it was sort of like,their answer to vertigo for a bit.
36:27Yeah, yeah.I think this was around a period where, like, a lot of sales were suffering.So they kind of wanted to do something a bit more edgy and kind of, I guess, or stand alone as well,not like too entrenched in everything else that was going on.and yeah so theycame up with these books andI don't know like I don't think many of themlasted very long really
37:01Daredevil I'm pretty sure was the one that lasted the longestbut yeahdid you read the Spider-Man oneI think I've got those books somewhereyeah I'm pretty sure I doI also hate thatCorey we talked with thisI think we did.
37:20I don't remember if it was three of us or if it was two of us,but we'd definitely talk to me because I was the superior 16, I believe.The, uh,yeah, yeah, yeah, my only proper experience with Marvel Knights was, uh,before, it was after Peter David's X-Factor run before his new X-Factor run.He had a multiple man miniseries called Multiple Choice.That was released under the Marvel Knights line.So it goes like a six-issue mini
37:51And that was used as theThe front door to the new X Factor comicThat he wrote throughout the 2000sIs that the one with Leila Miller?Yes, this is pre-Leyla Miller getting introduced thoughSo this is a just Jamie Madrox on his ownAside from cameos from Wolfsbane and Strong Guy in the beginningBut it leads into his run which
38:15YesOkay, because that's one I readreally goodgood runit is really goodso johnuh post kevin smithwhat happens next with daredevil
38:27uh soafterkevin smith leaves the bookwe get uh david mack brieflywho introduces the character of echowho has likeuh like similarities todare devil where she
38:46i think i can't remember what her powers arenow but she uh um she's deaf right kind of yeah she's that's right she's deaf and but she can still kind ofdo stuff around her deafness um yeah that then leads into brian michael bender's taken over the bookum and like he starts off by seemingly killing the kingpin and having like some goon basicallyreplace him because the goon is fed up withthe idea that Kingpin knows whoDaredevil is in real life and doesn'tdo anything with that information
39:30to properly fuck him up.This guy called Sammy Silk basically takesover andFisk is out of the book for a whilekind of recoveringand thenyeah, eventuallyEventually, Vanessa kind of comes back, who's Kingpin's wife, and she takes revenge on all the people who had sided with this Sammy Silk guy to take out the kingpin, which includes killing her own son, Richard Fisk.
40:06So, like, it's a pretty gnarly start to the run, which does some major things for, like, you know, Kingpin and his, like,associated characters, I guess.And yeah, I mean, it seems to bealmost as much a book aboutthat side of things as much as it iswith Daredevil as well.Like...How did he kill the kingpin?
40:38I believe it was like a Julius Caesar situationwhere he got like stabbed a bunchand then I think he got shot in the face as well.which for some reason didn't kill him,but it did make Kingpin blind for a brief while.Okay.So common by the logic, what we've learned is that you can get shot in the head,and you'll either get amnesia or you'll go blind.
41:05Yeah, basically.There you go.That's the check side from what I know about anatomy.Yeah.Yeah, yeah.Everybody knows the brain is memory and seeing shit.Well, if you get shot in the face,it's a good chance to lose part of the face.
41:18exactlybut the eyes grow backso it's fineexactlyjust takes a lotyeah we all knowthisnot for Derek novel
41:27but everybody elseit's like losing your teethevery time you lose a toothanother one grows backjust like when you're a kid rightevery single timerightyeah try it out
41:36yeahall your teeth are right now kidswell maybe not kidsbecause the kidsI feel like it will come backand it might prove somethingexactlyso like
41:47yeah adultsI'll keep goingand if it hurtsit just means you're doing it righttrue about many things in lifeso yeahthisbrown Michael Bendis run
42:06carries on he meets like a new loveinterest in Miller Donovanwholike down the stretchhas like just the worst luckshe basicallyI think in the spanof about 12 issues, she meets
42:21Matt Murdoch, she marries Matt Murdoch,she divorces Matt Murdoch,and then she getsinstitutionalized, soYeah,and then sells an entityto open.Yeah, that's what she should have done, but
42:37someone beat it to it.That's a shame.So yeah,and thenEndos basically ends his run,with Kingpin handing over a bunch of files on Daredevil to the FBI.And because of his vigilante activities, he gets arrested and put in prison.And that's where he kind of, you know, like leaves things for Ed Brubaker to pick up.
43:07And to his credit, Ed Brubaker does a great job of picking it up and kind of running with the ball.man i might bryan michael bendus man he'll do that to you he's like here you sort this outi just remember was was bennis the writer that cori doesn't likeyeah that's true yes then his inability to put the toys back in the toy box that's someoneelse's problem to clean up not mine ask a quick question about that right yeahair devil gets arrested and goes to prisonYes.So at what point where they're like, while you're in prison,
43:49we'll just leave your mask on.We're not going to ask who you are or see who you might be.We're just going to...Oh, no.He goes in prison as Matt Murdoch because he's sort of been exposed as Daredevil.But then while he's in prison, it turns out there's another Daredevil running around,like doing heroics in Hell's Kitchen, who it turns out.out is actually iron fist under the mask.
44:17Is this exactly Mike Murdoch?Yeah, it's like to help kind of prove that Matt Murdoch isn't their devil.Okay.And it couldn't possibly be like a blue blazer situation where two people could easily be it.Yeah, I don't know what you mean.So, so yeah, that reminds me they did that recently in Nightwing within the last year or so where Dick Grayson had to be somewhere publicly.and like Bruce Wayne was posing as Nightwing.It's like, suddenly Nightwing is a little taller and built like a brick shit house.
44:50So weird.These signs exactly like Bruce Weird.I'm Batman.At the same time, weird.Anyway.Yeah.So this run is pretty good.Like it has like, yeah, I mean, you could go wrong with Brew Baker.
45:11And it feels like the Bendis run and the.the Brewbreaker run are soclosely tied together. You kind ofif you do make it, you'rejumping on point. You kind of have to do them both.Of course they're tied together. Vindisleft the mess.Yeah, yeah.
45:27I mean...Bruebaker didn't get a clean start.He had to pick up all the other shit outfirst. Yeah, if you started episodeone and the Brue Baker one, you're like, none of thosemixed any time. With no contact.Yeah.Oh, boy.
45:44We do an episode someday where Corey just goes fucking bad shit up.15 minutes alone is going to be dedicated to the moon night run he did.Jesus Christ.Oh, boy.I look forward to that episode so much.Not, you know, no one's ever going to accuse Bendis arresting on his laurels except, you know, now.Anyway, Bruebaker.Yes.
46:14The only bad thing I'll say about the Brubaker run is it ends in a storyline called Shaddleland, where basically Daredevil gets corrupted by the hand, and he becomes its leader, and he's, like, possessed by the beast, which is, like, the hands demonic, you know, boss or whatever.and so he builds like a temple in the middle of New York and has ninjas running around all over the place doing his bidding and yeah all the heroes or street level heroes I should say kind of band together and help free him from his possession and yeah that's basically how the end at the run ends is dead of allkind of reassessing thingsand that leadsnicely into Mark Wade to runwhichlike we mentioned beforeis very
47:19different to what came beforeit whereas like BrueBaker and Bendis andKevin Smith all followingalong the same sort of lines asFrank MillerMark Wade kind of goes backto the beginnings of
47:35Daredevil and tries togive it more of a swashbuckling kind of lighthearted feel.But then he's still doing some like interesting things with it as well,like hinting at the depression under the surface that Matt is kind of trying to push downas much as possible to, you know, to not let it consume his life like it has in the past.Yeah.Like I said, that's the run that I read.And like I said, I read it because of,
48:06Chris Samney who was doing the art and I love Samney's art.Because it is very fun. And like if you're going to like try to do this story of likereturn to the swashbuckling silver age days of Daredevil, that's the right art for it.Because that's like the big thing is like Matt's smiling more. And it makes everyoneuncomfortable. Like foggy is like Matt, are you sure you're fine? He's like yeah, man,everything's fucking great, you know? Um, it also gave him.of us the great panel of Matt at a Christmas party wearing a sweater that says,I'm not Daredevil on it, which I always enjoyed. And also was it, it was a,
48:49I don't remember the character's name, but she was kind of introduced as a,as a somewhat potential love interest who started working in.Justin McAfee. Yes. And, um, her like taking her shirt off to like,it had like writing on her bra to see if Matt was like looking at her not.at her to try to prove whether or not he was daredevil.Very fun panel.Yeah.But yeah, so
49:14Wade did a lot of reallyinteresting stuff with that because I rememberthe character Akaribeing introduced in that run.Yes. And Akari, Dylan,is sort of like ahe was like a combo ofthe
49:31yellow and red daredevilcostume and then the more demonicparts of the Daredevil stuff fromlike Shadowland because he was tiedto the hand, wasn't he?Yes, yeah, definitely.Okay.Now, I would not, I would say that though
49:48as if you're wanting to get into Daredevil,I would not recommend the Mark Waite run.Because it is, it's, it's,it's not a proper Daredevil run in the sense of like,it's not the character that you're going to usually seeor you're used to seeing.And that's what kind of madefun and stand out was it was the opposite.
50:09But if you're trying to get into Daredevil,take it for me.I wouldn't start there.Yeah, I think I can see where you're coming from.Yeah. It would be like if you were going to read like Spider-Man for the first timeand you started on the big time storyline era where it's like he's running the companyand he's got a lot of fucking money and you're like, I don't know what everybody thinks so greatabout the Spider-Man character.
50:33What the fuck?Yeah, you read one episode and go,well, he's doing well for himself.I'm happy.Yeah.Put it back at the show.Put it back on the show.Nothing wrong.
50:42Spider-Man.I'm going to say okay in his time.Fair enough.That's fair enough.I can see that.I would say, like,one of the interesting things that Wade did in his run is basically have MattMurdoch drop the Daredevil kind of costume.
51:02And he, like, at this point, he'd sort of moved to,San Francisco again, him and Kirsten, to start a new life because he'd been disbarred fromyou know, practicing law in New York because of his identity, you know, and everything.Yeah.So he moves to San Francisco and when he can't pass the bar there, he's just like, I'll just,you know, do heroics, but he does it in like a red suit and just as himself basically, butstill doing daredevil thingsI think he also writes
51:39an autobiography at the timeas wellso it feels likea lot of thishad kind ofyou know brokenso far away from thetraditional daredevil mold
51:55but toMark Wade's credit he does try andput thingsyou know back in the box before he passeson the characterthat is thestoryline with the purple man's children to kind of put daredevil's secret identity back to being secret again.So at least then when the next writer comes in, in this case Charles Sol, he can kind of start from scratch and, you know, get back to doing whatever daredevil stuff he wants to do.
52:29I would say that is going to be like the last jumping on point I would point out is CharlesSol's run where Matt is back in New York, he becomes the assistant DA and then he kind of winsthis Supreme Court court case where he argues that superheroes shouldn'thave to remove their mass totestify in court.And that kind of sets off a whole chain of eventswhere Wilson Fisk ispissed off with superheroes
53:11being able to ruin hiscriminal enterprises.So he's like, well, I'm going to becomemayor of New York to counter this andmake heroes' lives a living hell.And he does so.And he brings Matt on aslike his deputy mayor initially
53:27just to fuck with him.And thenthat soon goes pear-shaped and they split apart and yeah like stuff happens basicallykingpin basically ends up being mayor of new york for a good few years and marvel continuityand they do a good job him charlesol and chip zardsky but after him do a really good job ofkind of mining or the storyline potential they can out ofKingpin being the mayorso
54:03it's also proved quiteinfluential on the DaredevilBorn Again TV seriesand yeah I woulddefinitely recommend that as well butit's again it's somethingthat's kind ofsteeped in
54:21Daredevil historywhich maybeyou want to go back and read to kind ofbe familiar with but I think you couldeasily jump in there and kind of just pick it up,especially if you're familiar with the TV seriesto kind of start off with.Well, I'm not.
54:40There you go.Well, there you go.Never seen it.It's got Daredevil in it. I know that.This is true.Vanessa. There's a lot of Vanessa in it.When I was a boy.Wasn't Deadpool's girlfriend called Vanessa?
54:58Yeah.Vanessa's out there, man.Different Vanessa, though.Well, yeah, I would hope so.So, John, are we still, are you still moving through, like, since you mentioned this is the last jumping on point, are you wanting to continue down discussing other Daredevil creators right now?Or are we, like, at a point where we can kind of have some free-range discussion?I think we're at a point where we can put loose and talk about whatever.Okay.
55:26So a character that you haven't mentioned by name, but I don't.have always, well, and a writerthat you've not mentioned by name that I alwayswas told was like a seminalDaredevil writer, and I'm curiousabout your thoughts is Anacentee.Thoughts on Anacente's runwith Daredevil, and was there
55:46anything, because you didn't mention it was a good jumping on point,was it just in that sort of justcarrying on what Frank Miller was doingor what have you?It wasn't as good about this.I mean,yeah, sheHer run was sort of like the, I want to say early 90s.
56:05I don't think she came in as early as the late 80s.But yeah, her run was sort of famous for introducing typhoid Mary.Yeah, that was my second question was.Typhoid Mary was a character that wasn't brought up in this discussion so far.No, no.I mean, when I first, I collect in Daredevil Books, like the Miller stuff was first,and then I did pick up some of these comics from around this time as well.And again, I think it's like a good continuation of, like, you know, the Miller stuff.
56:52But it's not necessarily its own thing or like its own unique.thing. I thinkshe did do a storylinewhereDaredevil supposedlydied and like a newperson came intothe
57:06like thesuperhero identitybut it was still Matt Murdoch.He was wearinga different costume like a graycostumeand he was a bit morekind of I don't know
57:23like kind ofserious I guess.I'm not Daredevil. Look, I'm wearing gray.It's different.Like, well, okay, well, you still act and move and fight the same way as Daredevil did.You signed the same, and you have the same mannerisms.No, it's different. Look, costume, differ.So, speaking of costume changes, another one of those things I was thinking of
57:47was the armored Daredevil costume, that, like, blackish one with, like, spikes and stuff on it?is thereyeahyeahit's a storybehind that thingso that's thearmor I was just talking about
58:02the costumetheall right thatyeahyeahyeahI think that wasyeah
58:10yeah he was stillbasicallyhe's stillhe's still deadbut he just wasn'the was likethe guyI think
58:21he's supposed to betaking overfrom the original Daredevil.I got it.I got it.I think that was thekind of thought behind it.There are two different dare devils
58:32and this one is definitely notMatt Murdoch.So if you thought it was,you gotta check again,Buster.Mike, when you're like this,the item bills,like, no.
58:42I'm obviously false.Yeah, I have a gun.A dog,sidekick.Kid dare devil.Kid dare devil.Daredevil.Dog devil, dog devil.
58:57Got there.Devil dog.He does get a sidekick at one point as well.Is it a dog?Who's the sidekick?His sidekick was a guy called Blindspot.Oh.Who was like a kid who invents a costume, which basically I think could turn him invisible.
59:16But then he does eventually have his eyes kind of gouged out by, I think it was Muse,the like serial killer who ends up in theDaredevil Born Again seriesyeahwow that took a turn I didn't last longyeah after he got his eyes guys startMatt's like I don't need youwe already have somebody you can't see
59:41it's a pretty cool lookis it not it's not a bad costumethe art from thatCharles Saw and it was pretty good I thoughtit was the artistThat's a good questionI don't knowHopefully
01:00:00Ron GarniePossiblyHendersonI'm seeing the last nameHenderson on a coverwith thischaracter on itOh
01:00:09And Phil NotoYeahRon Garniewas the artistOn the debutof the characterSo you goHmm
01:00:17OkayI think that's beenA consistent as wellWith Dead DevilThere's been a lotof great artistsOn thereLike
01:00:28I knowis it you, Corey, who's not a fan of John Romita Jr.?No, I'm not fan.JR, JR.I'm a huge fan of him.And so Corey, I think he got worse as time went on.I feel like a lot of, like, self, like a lot of artists who are described as great writers,their art just gets terrible the further on they go.
01:00:50Like, I think modern day JR, JR, I think is just messy and it's just kind of lazy.Everybody looks really blocky and squarey.Much like I feel like Frank Miller.Miller's current art is terrible as well.I would like to know what the cutoff point for that is because, you know, there's a pointwhere JR started.2000s.Okay.
01:01:11Because you can see where he started.Yeah.He's kind of kind of ape and his father.He's not quite a style.And then like in the late 80s, like 90s, he hits his like very iconic style.Yeah.But to me again.That's when it really goes off the rails.
01:01:25That's when I got into him, of course.The clone saga was in the 90s.with his beautiful artwork.I would say that he was stillreally good after that, butI can say,whenever you say that thing about him, like, kind ofhappened, because he's doing that run, or he did do that
01:01:41run recently with Spider-Man.And you were like, he's kind of going tofall back on just these blockyseem to be looking characters. I'm like,I can see we were coming fromwith that. Yeah. Again,it's not his old work. It's his modernday stuff. Yeah.
01:01:58That's, I can see.that. Did hedo a run on Daredevil?Yeah, yeah. He did itwith theAnakomteyrun. Oh, cool.See, I love... See, I might check that out now.
01:02:17I do love... And again, we're talkinglike late 80s, early 90s come time, aren't we?Yeah, this was...Like I say, I thought it wascloser to the early 90s, but I've just looked it upAnd apparently her run did start in January,1987.So she had about four years on the book.
01:02:39We're hitting the sweet spot, I think.That's a good, still a good time for him.So that's another one I will check out.Because, you know, the art's quite important.Obviously, when you're talking about comic books,you're talking about how great the writing is.But, like, an awful important part of that also is the artworkbecause it's a graphic novel, comic books.
01:02:58You need to, to, because I've read.read stories that, like, you know, the stories are great and the artworks, fucking dog shit.Like, that's an unimportant thing, too. You know, how to get the right. Yeah, the good, the artist, but the right story. Exactly. And the art, like, it's, like I was mentioning with Samney, I would, you would not want Chris Samney on any other Daredevil run, except for the Mark Wade run. Because his style is very, um, kind of light. I don't.want to call it cartoonish, but it is very, it's very gentle and very soft.Yeah.Right.And like this whole run that Mark Wade was running was Matt is absolutely doing everythinghe can to not be that version of Daredevil anymore, including lying to himself.
01:03:48Yeah.It's much, it's like a darker story.You should have a darker kind of art work to it.Exactly.It can't, it feels strange if you have a very dark and, and grounded.story with very floweryartwork.That doesn't really, it's quite
01:04:08jaw, unless it's done a purpose, but otherwiseit's quite jarring and kind of like,not fun to read.Yeah. So,John, sincethis is sort of our first time that we've donea big focus on Daredevil on the show,how does it feel to
01:04:28have the opportunity to kind of just gothrough this run that's obviously important to you?it feels pretty good to be honest yeah i've always uh liked daredevil as a character and kind of uh you knowhe's one of those guys who i think should be more popular and which is why i was like excited to seethe tv series come out and the hope that maybe that would kind of um you know get more eyes on daredevil as acharacter. Maybe it hasworked as well, because obviously he'sbeing added to the Avengers
01:05:07lineup as well, isn't he?He's going to be part of thepost-Armageddon Avengers run.And like yousaid, he just got a new number one a fewmonths ago with a newcreative team.I know you're a trade waiter, so you'll have
01:05:23to let us know in a couplemonths when that occurs what yourthoughts on it are. Yeah.Maybe it makes me sound really like, thatsounds like a slur.A trade waiter?Yeah.We had a whole episode where we discussed this.
01:05:36It was when you weren't around for, Dylan.I was busy.I was in space with Kitty Perry.Eating hot dogs.And it was hard to get those hot dogs in.NASA did not want us to smuggle hot dogs up there.But we did.How did we cook them?
01:05:50We'll never tell.Anyway.That being said,John, are there any sort of like ending notes that you want to put on this?Do you want, is there a run that you would say,100% this is where you should start because you mentioned some jumping on points but as a daredevil fan and long time reader what is your expert opinion on this is where you should start so i kind of hinted at it before but like i think the frank millerun is the way to go it's the most famous version of the devil but for a good reason and it introduces so much of the kind of mythologywhich becomes pretty important to the character going down the stretch as well.One thing we didn't mention was, like, in terms of an origin story for Daredevil,
01:06:47he did a miniseries with JRJ on the art called Daredevil the Man Without Fear,which came out sort of the mid-nighties and just goes back and kind of,fills in some of the gaps between like you know the accident that daredevil or matt murdocksuffers and uh the aftermath of that and then like his college years and where he first meetselectro and uh all that kind of stuff and it like just adds a bit more color to um uh likefrank miller's run in the comics that preceded it yeah so maybe if uh if you wanted to likeget a definitive sort ofstarting point for
01:07:36Daredevil the character and like his originsand stuff, that would be a goodplace to jump in as well.Oh, well, there you go.But yeah, any lastthoughts you want to make on Daredevilbefore we wrap it up?I'm good. You're good.
01:07:55Daredevil, it's cool.Yeah.Like that old man named Stick.Oh, yeah. You never talk aboutstick at all. You don't talk about Stick.And that's the wayor battling Jack Murdoch.But that's why you got to read the
01:08:12jumping on point so that you can touch on those.I'm saying.The whole episode is why I need to read these.Or if you really want to jump on,you could watch the 2000sBen Affleck Daredevil movie,I'm sure.I've seen it.
01:08:30Oh, then you know everything there is no about Daredevil.That's everything they need to know about Daredevil.Yep.Michael Mark Duncan and Colin Barrel.I will say about the movieThe original theatrical version is pretty garbageBut the director's cut is awesomeIt gives more kind of a backstory to Matt Murdoch
01:08:55As an attorney and likeYou knowAdds a bit more favour to the characters as wellSo I would definitely recommend that versionWell two things first of allI thought Karl Farr was greatThat bull's eyeBut you was clearly having fun
01:09:10he shines in that film he is the one he's having a good time yeah nobody else is um but the second thingis like i am sick to the back teeth of every time we talk about a comic book film it's always likewell the actual film sucks but the director's cut's great i'm like why don't they just give me thedirector's cut that's what the director is for because the research groups in the board of directorsand the people who get their hands into the pot,regardless of whether or not they're qualified to do so,decided that it's not good enough.Why would you hire a director if he can't cut it the way he's supposed to cut it?
01:09:51That's a great question,why David Lynch didn't make big movies after Dune.Anyway, that being said.That being said, speaking of movies,John, what is your movie count at for the year?I am now up to 696 movies for the year so far.Very nice.Still early days in July at the time of recording, so you got plenty of time.
01:10:21Yeah. What was the last thing you watched?Ready or not to.Ready or not two? Okay, fair enough. That's a very recent. It's a recent release.Yeah, it came out this year, I believe.Very recently came out within the last couple months.So yeah, what thoughts?I didn't think it was as good as the first ready or not.It was like a fun and sort of surprising movie.
01:10:52Going in without any expectations,there was like a lot of zigging and zagging of the plotand that made for a good experience.Whereas this, I felt like it was kind of lacking in surprises a little bit.the beats were a bit too sort of similar to the first movie.I'm a big, big fan of Samara Weaving,who's like the final girl in both of those movies.And yeah, she's great in this.
01:11:25There you go.So, John,where can our watchers and listeners and viewersgo see your more detailed thoughts on Ready or Not To?They can head to Letterboxed and find me atBig John BowskyOrmond.And Dylan,
01:11:42what have youbeen getting up toyou this week?Well,I do a radio showevery Monday nightson Bynne's Digital Radiodot code to UK
01:11:51and you can findthe link somewhere.9 o'clock,11 o'clock,every Monday nights.I play a lot of musicon the show.I sometimes talk about
01:12:01a lot of the crapyou've heard metalk about on this showin between.It's a good time.Just check it out.Sometimes I streamon Twitch,
01:12:08where I draw pictures. I animate those picturesand put them onlineon YouTube at Team Crows and Ion TikTok, TeamCrowStudios, andthat's it, I think.All right, there you go. I just say as well, yourTeam Crows videos, like the quality
01:12:24is, like, goneup really highof the last couple of videos. Well,I should clarify this, that there's two of usthat animate, andI think you can tell which one of usanimates which videos.so the last two videos it went up were sam he made those
01:12:44and you can tell he we use it we're at the moment we're using different programsand we're trying to figure out how to use the same program becauseone of them's easier to use the other one which is the one i've been usingbut yeah it's been using something else so we want to at some pointcombine together and start using them both these are very i think we both are very particularstyles.And the reasonI'm using the program I use now is because
01:13:12that style comes out much easier.And it looks, I'mgoing to say crappy, but that'sthe style I'm going for.Whereas theprogram he's using is a little bit moreprofessional looking. And we're going to bothstart using that soon. But I have projects
01:13:31in this firstprogram that I need to finish up. And oncethere are friends,I'll jump on to the second one.So,nice.Very much for saying that.I agree.
01:13:41I think his animations are incredible.They are,you know what's really funny is we made the Pokemon one.And then we,while we were making the Pokemon one,I said,Nintendo weren't going to be happy about this.So he made a second one,
01:13:56which was the call in the lawyers.And then the lawyers.And we uploaded them both.And for some reason,I don't know why,but for some reason,the send in the lawyers video onTikTok has been like
01:14:09flaggedlike you can't see ityou can't watch itthe Pokemon one is totallyfine but the send in the lawyersonesthat we posted as a responseto what we imagined
01:14:23was going to be feedbackedfrom the Pokemon onelike it's you can't be on a TikTokat allthey just won't show itwhat the fuckI think thoughfor the record
01:14:36when you watch itthey'll be they'll definitelyit's on YouTube so if you've seenit on YouTubeokay so you knowI think there's a bit in thatthe TikTok watchI was like we don't think this
01:14:49appropriatewell there you goyou probably know which but it isso let's leavethatyou have to watch somebody to find out it's on YouTubewatch it on YouTubeall right
01:15:04there you goSo speaking of YouTube, on this very same channel, we have our sister show, new number ones,where I find a issue number one for a smaller publisher and talk about it for about five minutes.And whether or not it's a good example of what a number one comic should be, speaking of jumping on points.This last week, I did Faceless and the Family, which the art for it was amazing.like the uh it was the writer was also the artist uh really amazing work with like geometric shapesand like color blocking and not even color blocking just black and white and shading just looked phenomenaluh it's it's definitely a book that you've got to pour yourself over while you're reading it so you can
01:15:52fully appreciate like everything that's on the panel um but yeah that's here on the channel usuallyevery sunday and in addition to that uh i also have my other show large old cup uh withwhere I just put on an episode yesterday today in, you know, current present day times,about a failure that I attempted to do Sunday.That just, it's just a bad idea, but we tried and it didn't work.So it is what it is.But yeah, links to that.Large old comp is also in the description.
01:16:26More stuff coming for me in the pipeline for sure.But aside from that, that's going to do it for today.we will see you guys next time.Farewell.Bye-bye.
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