Spider-Man Villain Tier Rankings
00:03He's clearly from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, so everyone's like, hey, fuck you, pig.Hey, fuck you.Yep.That's my, what do you think?It's good.I like this new character you've developed.Ah, I suck my dick.It's Milwaukee, Dylan.
00:18Sure.Eh, hey.Vaguely Italian.Ah, oh.Vigley Italian, but not proper Italian.No, just vaguely.No, it's a bulleted of America one.Exactly.
00:33Like most.American universities.We're Italian.I was born in the American.What do you want?I'm Italian.No, you're not.You grilled in Baltimore.
00:44This is how they speak in Italian.Yeah, that's what they do.Everybody is all this spaghetti.Like, you don't sign...I'm not being beat Italian.Hi, everybody.Welcome to the Smart Avengers.My name is Corey.
00:57And with me is Dylan.And John, how's it going, fellas?Hello.Yeah, no bad.So, do I like eating pizza?Do I like eating pizza?Of course they do.Who doesn't enjoy eating a good pizza?
01:08We have had pizza discussions before.Isn't there a local pizza place that you really like?Yeah, Floyd pizza.Yeah, cloud pizza.You say clown pizza?Blight, L-O-U-T.Oh, I say clown pizza.I went, Dill that sounds so out.
01:24Why would I go to clown pizza?You open up the box and confetti spots out of you.Yeah, it's the pizza's ruined because it's a little bits of paper in it now.You go back to the guy, like, I want a refund.He's like, yeah, no.No worries.Just like look into my flower real quick.And I go, all right.
01:37You know, I need to go, right.You know, I need to gore to water.Like, ah, it's not a refund at all.You got me again.Every time.I should stop going.Well, I was talking to John a little bit ago, Dylan.I'm not sure if you heard this, but it has occurred to me that beginning next week,
01:54we will begin our October theme month, which I think we've decided it's going to be allgoblins. Every week we're going to talk about different goblin.Ish. Yeah.There'll be some bending of the rules.Some goblins can stand on their own and some goblins we might have to combine and makework, but we will make them work.I understand where you're coming from.So we have our month of goblins coming up.
02:23But before then, I think we have actually talked about Spider-Man in some capacity forabout a month already. So we're going to be looking at two months worth of Spider-Manrelated content.Yes.And, you know, I'm not necessarily mad about it, but I think it would be a great way to get us into this mindset of talking about these various goblin personas would be if we decided to make the official Smart Avengers Spider-Man villain tier list.What a great idea.Makes sense to me.Yeah.
02:54So, you know, how this works, we have 25 different villains.I put this together the other day.I think I nailed all of the big heavy hitters of them and then threw in a couple oddballs.but I don't think there's anyone missing,but if there is, you guys will let me knowif I miss someone very apparent.But that being said,we'll head over into the tier Ranker
03:14and kind of take it from there.Hooray.All right.It's the official, Smart Avengers,Spider-Man, villain, Raker, tier list maker.Catchy title, as always.So this is a public list.If you would like to do this yourself,
03:28by all mean, just go to tiermaker.com.And I think if you just look up for Spark Avengers,you'll find this one and our X-Men onethat we made earlier.Both of our X-Men ones we madebecause I think we madean X-Men heroes and a villains list.Anyway, we have 25 villains
03:43and we were going to be ranking themS-tier, A, tier, B, tier, C-tier, andD-tier.Any questions before we get started?I don't think so.No, I think we know the deal.All right, I'm going to probably leanheavily on you guys because you're going to be way more
04:01familiar with a lot of these folks than I am.I only have a lot of passing glancesand maybe just knowledge of animated seriesversions of these characters.But we're going to start off with one of your favorites.It is the Roderick Kingsley version of the Hobgoblin.Yes.So where do you guys think that Roderick Kingsley's Hobgoblin fits on this tier?
04:24S tier.I mean, in my heart, I would say S tier.I think in my head, I would put him A tier, probably.I just because...Yeah, I would agree.I think he's, when he first debuted, it was great and it felt like an impactful storyline.Even like in the mid-nighties when like Roderick Kingsley's identity was revealed and he had his like clashes with Norman Osborne as well, great stuff.But then kind of since then, he hasn't really had as many juicy storylines to kind of sink his teeth into.
05:04So as good as he is, I would put A.I agree with John, really.Like, obviously, I would love to put him in a tier.I think realistically, he probably is A tier.So the question I have for you guys real quick, though, on it,why do you think that no one has ever gone with a hobgoblin adaptation for the Spider-Man movies?Like, he's never been a villain.I think the Green Goblin is just a much more appealing option.
05:34Yeah, the personal aspect of it, what would be in the dad of Peter's best friend, even though they don't have a Harry Osborne in the current MCU, like, I mean, even still, like if you do Green Goblin, there's more kind of material to mine there.But also, I feel like if you're doing Hobgoblin, you have to do Green Goblin first, because the gimmick is that the Hobgoblin has,stolen the Green Goblins equipment.The equipment exists.The Goblin exists.The animated series proved that you didn'thave to do it that way around.I like the way they
06:16introduced the Hobgoblin first thereand thenNorman kind of had his ownissues and, you know,went off the reservation anddecided to become a goblin as well.Well, it looks like fun, doesn't it?Flying an enemy goblin thing.
06:33Absolutely.throwing pumpkins like that's cool yeah you get to laugh all the time right i think being a goblinbe pretty cool when you think about it yeah yeah yeah i'd be it for that all right well coriyes a way to make us uh goblins is that all right can we like get me and john to drink the goblin serumand then become goblins is that all right sure would you like to become a goblin i always likeJackalander a little bit better.Okay.You don't have to find your own serum then, because we'll have the
07:07goblin serum. Yeah, I don't think Jackaliner had aserum. I don't know what he had.Spice pumpkin latte.Sounds lovely, actually.He would be drinking his own head? Come on.No, he wouldn't do that. Listen, we would never do that.Well, there's no pumpkin and pumpkin spice latte.It's not eating that because of these same spices they put in pumpkin pie.
07:29Oh, so the spices are the pumpkin spices, but they're not, it's not pumpkin flake.It's not any gourd in there. It's just nutmeg sitting in and sugar.I've never had pumpkin spice latte, so I wouldn't know.Same.Yeah, you're missing out. It's the only flavored coffee thing I'll ever drink.I don't think we are missing I.That's fair. You don't have to like it.Anyway, drink it.
07:56Let's move back over to our tier list and our next on the list is,is Dr. Octopus, Otto Octavius.It's got to be asked here.Yeah, no arguments there.Easy.Like, that's like, I think if people are talking about, like, Spider-Man is, like, major, like, arch enemies, it's either the Green Goblin or it's Dr. Octopus.So, question for you regarding Dr. Octopus.What is it about him that makes him such an iconic Spider-Man villain?
08:26Like, what makes him stand out amongst the rest?I think because he's just a dude.Like, he's just a really smart dude.If you think about Peter Parker, he was a smart dude that, like,used his smarts to, like, build his webbing and then, like, you know,spider tracers and go out and, like, do good stuff.On the flip side, you have Dr. Octopus that's kind of...If Peter Parker is supposed to be, like, the everyman kind of nerd,
08:56Dr. Octopus is, like, he's very relieved.because he's a guy that got bullied because of the way he looked at the stupid bull cut haircut he's not athletic he's not a super part at all he's very intelligent he's the kind of guy that would obviously have got picked on and he used his smarts for evil as it were as opposed to peter parker he used his for good and it's a wonderful kind of juxtaposition between peter parker and dr octobus i think okay john i would agree with thatI would also say as well, obviously he's just had like loads of incredible storylines as well.Like being one of the founding members of the Sinister Six and then like the whole deal where, you know, he's taken too many blows to the head and he's dying.And so he like transfers his mind into Peter's body and takes over to prove that he can be the superior Spider-Man.Like, there's so many good Dr. Octopus stories out there because he's such a versatile character.The buildup to, like, you know, Spider-Man 700 was Dr. Octopus, like, he's going to die and he's like, I got to do something.He was like he wanted to leave a, like, a legacy behind.
10:20He wanted to do something.Mm-hmm.Like a long, a long trail of Dr. Octopus, like, desperately trying to do something.and that was quite fun to read as wellyou knowthis man like so desperate to like do somethingin his life because he knowsthe gloves were off
10:38yes there was a real likethere was a real evilnessto it that I feel like you didn't alwaysget the Spider-Man villain I think we're going to find outthat a lot of Spider-Man villainsear more on the comical sideas opposed to themore deadly side but I think that
10:55once we look atwho is rankranked S and who is ranked D, the ones that are ranked S and A are the ones that are the more deadly, the more like, um, visceral and emotional.You know, like a doctor octopus has spent a long time hating Spider-Man.That's going to come out in a lot of ways, you know.But also he tried that Marriott May.Like, what a fucking, what a baller, you know.Well, you mentioned the gloves coming off.
11:32Well, the gloves are going back on because we're going to talk about the shocker next.Where do you put the shocker, Herman Schultz?As here.I don't know.I feel like realistically, see is probably a good one.Yeah, I was going to say maybe like this is where we kind of figure out, like, how are you, like, what's,your decision making based on? Is it like their goals? Is it their success rate? Is it theirsort of status in the public conscious? Like what what's going in your mindset when you're
12:08thinking of like how am I going to put this guy on this list? It's tough because I think it'snormally like holly the writer treats that character. And a lot of the time I have seen theshocker being treated as a kind of a joke. Yeah. Sometimes there have been like times where you'veseen the shocker and he's kind of like legitand he's like, oh, this is fun.I like that. Butthe times that that has happenedversus the times where he's just been labeled
12:37as the guy with the quiltis, you know, it'sa little bit disproportionate.He's not like, he's notdetier by any stretch of the imagination.But it's also one of the thingswere like, Corey, if youput it like this, if
12:53Spider-Man gets an alert thatsomething bad's happening in downtownNew York.He flies over to see what it is.And the person he finds causing havoc in the middle of the street,is he going to be shocked?Is he going to be like,I'm fucked?
13:09Or is he going to be like,that guy's wearing a quilt?You know?Yeah.You can kind of like tell the level by how he Spider-Man reacts to that guy.Okay.As much as we love the shocker on the show,and we do.
13:22He doesn't love the shocker.He kind of feel like he's like,he's he's like C tier and also the way they pray him he's kind of like a henchman or like a bank robber or yeahyeah yeah yeah yeah yeah whittleton you know even though i loved him in the tv show the animated show he wasamazing but you know so C tier for shocker another character who uh had a kind of a larger presencethan you would expect on the animated series is the chameleon uh where which put the chameleonI would say B tier.I was thinking that as well.
14:01Okay.I think because there's like history there.He was Spider-Man's very first villain,which counts for something.Then he's got like some pretty cool powers as well,being able to kind of,like originally he was, you know,putting on masks and stuff,
14:21but I believe his powers have changed nowso he can...Says the face.You know, yeah.And that's a pretty good gimmick to have.He's really good in that he's a kind of like very low, like, street level kind of villain for Spider-Mond of face.And that he's not...He's not like a physical threat to him at all.
14:47Yes.But he's definitely like a psychological threat.Because you don't know what he's going to be.You know what I mean?Because if the chameleon is just...dressed as like a regular guythat's not going to sendSpider-Man's Spider-Sense off
15:04because he's not doing nothing wronghe's just walking aroundas a normal guy. Do you mean?Yeah.I think the chameleon, like it'stough to put him any higher thanB, I think, becausea lot of the time the chameleon just
15:20ends up B, like he, it always startswell, the chameleon.It never ends well.And the one bit I always rememberis at some point in the 90sthey had this lovelystoryline with the chameleongoing to like
15:37Ravencroft anddoing therapy and stuffbut he escapes andhe finds out, well he goes to Peter Parker's houseI don't know if he finds out who Peter Parker isbut he goes to Peter Parker's houseand then Mary Jane beats him up with a baseball batand you're like, okay, that's gonna be
15:56tough to walk back from you knowknow. That was, by the way, for anybody who's watching this in 2026, that was back in the day,before Mary Jean had the powers of some sort of, you know, gooey super god like Venom.So she used to just be a woman, you know?Oh, there you go. There you go.Well, up next is another friend of the show. It's MacDonald Gargan of the Scorpion.I mean, like C-tier, probably, right?I don't know
16:31I would possibly go bebecause I thinkhis likeyou know origin story is pretty coolwith being likea J Jonah Jameson creationbasically like he fundedthe
16:48like experiments to turnMcDonald Gagan into the scorpionsoand thenI guess likethe whole kind ofbecoming venom part of itas well yeah I was going to say he's like
17:07he's a dark avenger he's done some stuffdoesn't the venom thing seem like they weretrying to make him a big deal thoughlike that was a real like we're gonna push this guyagainst triple EH like that kind of deal likethey're yeah yeahI will they were very non-committal to itI mean it definitely he never felt like he was as big a deal
17:27as Eddie Brock but I mean he still wasbig enough that he was a featured part of Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers.Yeah, they had that symbiote for a good couple years as well.Quite a while.Yeah, he was Venom for like a long time.So like if you look at the tier list,technically, like the Scorpion McDonnell Gargan has a much better intro storyline than the Scorpion does.And he has, or then the Shocker does.
17:56And he has had some really good like storylines.over the years, but quite like, um, the hobgoblin.Like, he's just fallen off in the last 15 years, 20 years.So I, I would say, let's stick him in a B for an eye.Yeah, let's do that.Okay.All right.Well, up next is another favorite of one of us.
18:19It is Hydro Man.I mean, I think we all know where he's going to go.Not Esty.What do you mean?What do you mean?Hang on.I think you caught out for a little bit.I heard S here, for sure.
18:39You haven't heard S here.Yeah, I don't know.I think.Okay.Here's the conversation we all need to have.Is Hydromand worse than the shocker?Oh.I mean.
19:04I mean, like, realistically, yet probably, right?I don't know.I think, like, his power set should make him better than the shocker,but everything else about him is worse, so.I agree.But again, I think if you look at the way that he's portrayed by the writers,he has a cruel power set, and they never use it,except when they mean it's a bad man, but Saman,
19:32He never doing it from womenHe's always like a joke characterSo like as much as I would absolutely loveTo put him an S tierWhich is what he deservesBecause he'sMead of Water, he's coolI feel like we're probably talking
19:48I want to say C tierI don't want to D tier him yetNo I would agree with thatOkayAll rightI feel like D tier might come up laterI'm going to say C tierfor an eye.
20:03All right, John, what do you think?See?Yeah, yeah.Yeah, yeah.See as well.He's cool.Everybody loves him.All right.
20:11Now we have a guy who showed up recently in Spider-Man brand new day.It's Tombstone.I personally would say B-tier.Mm-hmm.I would say B-tier.I would agree with that.I think I originally would have, you know, said C-tier, like, given a few.years ago but I think
20:34they've done some interesting things with himin the comics he's obviously beenlikeutilized inthe Spiderverse moviesas wellso I think like they've done some good workrecently to kind of
20:51make Tombstone a bigger dealagain and make him feel like moreof a threat so yeah I'mmore than happy with him being B tierI think that's totally fairhonestlyI agree with that.Fair enough.
21:05So up next, we have Venom, Eddie Brock.See, this is tricky because a lot of people, I would say, would put him an S-tier.But for me, because of, I don't know if you guys know this,but I have a couple of issues with the symbiotes.So I've been keeping on the down low.Honestly, like, I would put venom in A tier.I would put him ahead of Hobgoblin,but I would put
21:32Batman 8 tierpersonI feel likewhile he started offas a really goodSpider-Man villainI think if you look at himnow
21:42that he's a shadowwhat he used to behe's likeand not just nowbut likethe last 20 yearsishmaybe longer than that
21:50he's just not beena really coolinterestingviable Spider-Man villainat allI would sayhe's still prettypopular
21:58and still prettyvalidso I would saya tierI don't think I can put him an ass tier.Yeah.I'm kind of lean in the same way as well.Interesting.
22:09Because like those 90s comics when they came out and like Venom was introduced and everything,he was great.And it felt so fresh and new and like a genuine threat to Spider-Man.But like Dylan said, like the last 20 years or so, it's,it's.It's going a different direction.He's getting a symbion suit back in October, I think.So he might have an opportunity to win you back over.
22:37Yeah, but who cares, right?Like, he's already given the symbiote up to McDonald's Garganand then some fucking guy and then that criminal,and then Plash Thompson and then Murray Jane.So it's hard to take venom too seriously, whatever.That's the chain of command.You know what I mean?All right.
22:58And plus he hasn't really did.Spider-Man villain in ages as well.Huh?He hasn't really been a Spider-Man villain in ages as well,because he's just,he's been pushed into, like, being a good guy.All the cosmic shit as well.Like, he's not really fighting Spider-Man.
23:15He's just, like, doing something else.Yeah.You know?You could bump him down to be.I think, I think it's perfectly.Yeah, yeah.All right. Well, up next, we have Mysterio.Master of illusion.
23:32I would say A tier as well.Yeah.I'm kind of...I think...Sorry to cut you off, John.I think it's either A tier or like a high B tierbecause I would see Mysterio chameleonis very similar,
23:48and that they're very tricksy,they're very kind of street level.They're very fun in what they do,but once they get to find out,that's the end of the game for them.So I would say either a low A or a high B.Yeah, I think I agree, though, because I think he's, he's probably better thanchameleon, more of a threat than chameleon as well.
24:13Yeah.So I would say A is probably fair, to be fun, to be honest.Okay.We could put him like low A for an eye and then.Yeah, what we can do is we're going going through these pretty quick because there's not a lot ofdebate between the two of you.We can go through and organize the.folks into proper order if we have time what i like it with this is me and john i'll be in spider-man
24:35like the fans are very clearly like on the same page and cori's just like oh i see like i knew i was notgoing to be part of this one but you can be you can like tell us what you think about these guyswhat do you think about how do you know i mean i just know of the like i said i'm not a big spider-manreader so my knowledge of them is the 90s animated series which is why certain characters are on this list thatmay not be on other people's list.I was going to say, there's definitely a couple of people on this list that I'm like,that's an interesting choice.Yep.
25:07That's how to I make the list.All right.Well, like, from what you know about Spider-Man villains, if you looked at that list,the way we have it now, which I think is pretty accurate.What would you agree with this so far?I mean, I'm not seeing anything that seems out of the ordinary.I mean, there's nothing here that's like surprisingly stunning.I'm surprised that Hyderman is.
25:29a C and not a D, but, you know, that's...Hey.Either here or there.You better watch your wife, kids.You watch the TV show.He was great in that.He was in two episodes.He was in more than that, wasn't he?
25:42I think he was only in two.There was his introduction episode,and there was the episode where there was, like,the clone of Mary Jane that was a water person.Right.Wasn't he integral in that?Really important.Well, I mean, it was two episodes, though.
25:54That's what I'm saying.It was an important episode.Anyway, let's get back.to our list and up next we have a character who'ssort of infamous for maybe some of the wrong reasonsit's the jackalthis is toughbecause
26:08it's probably going to be the samebeing as meonce again becausethe jackal like historicallyhas been an incrediblyinfluential villainon what's going on with Spider-Manand his history
26:24sorealistically he should be like prettyhigh up, but also like as a villain, just like as a guy, he's just, when you think about it,you look at the jackal, he's like, he's done all this stuff, he's like influential and a lotof stuff that Spider-Man is, it is Spider-Man's history, but then you look at the jackal and he's justlike some fucking college professor who's dressed up as a jackal. And also, that's not what jackalslook like.That's not what jackal is. So I think that, I mean, later on,
26:59Ron, they implicated itthat he did, like, do some sortof, like, surgicalum, experimentations onhimself to make him stronger andto be actually of Jackal and notMiles Warren.Yeah, they've been really vague about that, though.
27:16Like, there's, there's not, like, a strict continuityabout whether it's a costume or if he's mutatedhimself or what, so.And a lot of that stuff, unfortunately,during the clone saga has been so vagueand so retconned and so like what's going onbut like because of the impact he's had onSpider-Man he should be pretty high
27:38but I feel like we're probably going to saysomewhere in B-tierbecausewhat do you think?Like it's either B-tier or like a low AI knowI don't want to put him in A tierbecause even though
27:55even though he has had like so many significantstorylines and being like such a major thorn inPeter Parker's side over the years.I just don't like the character.And like when the clones show up as well,I just, I'm not particularly fussed about all that stuff.Okay.But it is R2.
28:18Well, here's the thing.I actually am a fan of the character.And whenever they did, I think it was Spider Island.I really liked the way he was written in thatthat was a lot of funbecause he didhe had this kind of like derangedkind of tone to him
28:38but it's it's tough manthe jackals one of those things were likeif you bring it back the gimmick isclones right that's ityeah and I think that his peak was in the 90sand they muddled that up significantlysoI would say
28:57like impact-wisewhat he did with Spider-Manyou're probably talking like a high BI don't know if he can put him in A manOkayI think we'll stick with BYeahI think B is fair
29:08I think he's definitely hadHe's definitely had a McDonald GarganYeahI'll say thatWe have the timeWe'll sort through the listAnd you put them in orderYou feel as appropriate
29:19OkayAll rightSo up next thoughWe have our second hobgoblinWhere actually I don't really knowwhere he falls in the chain of command of hobgoblins,but is Jason McIndale.Okay.
29:30So you picked, this is what I was confused aboutbecause this appears to be a picture of Dima Goblin.Yeah, yeah.No.Doesn't Dima Goblin have a black hood?No.Dima Goblin was a black hood.Dima Goblin has a guy.
29:44When I looked up Jason McIndale,Hobgoblin, this was one of the first images that came up.So, Jason McIndale was the hobgoblinthat looks very similar to Roblob.Carter Kingsley.Yes.And he, like,deal with the devil,
29:57or we deal with a demon.Yeah.So this is the deal of the demon picture.Yes.Because I was trying to find somethingin the shade of the two.But then they separatedDemogoblin and Hobgoblin.
30:09So Demoglain became its own characterthat looked like that as well.So we,I think we're wondering,is that Demo Goblin as a separate entity?Or is that McIndale as a hobgoblin?Because later on,Macandale got a lot of,
30:24of um cybernetic upgrades that made him look very different from the way everything i'm seeingregarding this image is that this is mackendale okay i mean that might happen it might happen but likethe demon goblin looked exactly like that so um i think if you're talking about mackendaleas the hobgoblin you're talking about a cheap imitation of the hobgoblin so you're probablytalking either really low B or really high C.I would say high C.Yeah, I would say above the shocker.But I don't, I, it's, it was never taken that seriously.
31:08No.Yeah, I think that's pretty fair.Fair enough.All right.Well, um, next though, we have the Sandman, Flint Marco.Yes.There is a guy.had a lot of potential
31:20and was a lot of fungreat for comicsfun to drawbut then he became a good guyand then he became a bad guy againand then he was kind of goodand then they kind of mixed the watersI would say like a like a high
31:36Bbecause he's a very popularand recognizableSpider-Man villainbut A he wasn't alwaysa Spider-Man villain and Bhe hasn't always been around that muchlike a lot of these other guys have been
31:49around and they keep turning upwhereas the Sandman doesn't always turnup that often anymoreI spent timeas a fantastic four villainas well as part of the frightfulfor and like you sayI think he was like a reserve member
32:06of the Avengers at one pointduring his good periodyeahwho got him who got himdid I get him? He might haveI don't think he got himI'm going to say this.But anyway, that being said,
32:25what area are you putting Sandman in?I would say B.Yeah, I would stick with B as well.Okay.All right, well, up next, we have Hammerhead.Okay.Like, personally, I fucking love Hammerhead.I think he's a great character.
32:44He's so stupid.He's a guy that, like, got bonked on the headand then saw a poster for, like,1930sgangster film and thenjust fought like that foreverI'm like what the fuckwhat are you talking about
32:59so I have a realsoft spot for Hammerheadbut I also have a very soft spotfor Hydermanwe saw how that worked outso likeagain if you're looking at the writersand the way they portray
33:15the charactersnobody writes Hammerhead really welllike he's got to be C tiersurelyyeah I think that's fair as welllike he'sgot a cool gimmickbut he hasn't really
33:32done anything that significantas a villainnot to Spider-Man anywayhe's never been a big deal for Spider-Manto take care of anywayhe's never been shit righthe's never been likeoh Hammerhead door
33:46but he's also never doneanything likefor example if we're talking about likethe street levelgangster kind of charactersTombstone would be a step ahead ofHammerhead. Yeah yeahthat's fair. Okay
34:04Up next we have the tarantulaI mean this hasgotta be our first D listsurelypossiblyour only D listwellactually maybe not
34:20having a look at somebody else on that list might also make it the D list.I would have said low C because he had some sort of like credibility to him.He was like a villain in like South America.And then he came up to the United States.And he came back a couple of times.He's been a bit of like a thorn in the side for Spider-Man.I would have said I mean I'm not a million miles away.I would have said low C or D.
34:51So I feel like,I don't give a shit enough about the Dracula to argue that he's better than D.So that's fine.Yeah.Okay.That's fine.Well, another character from another country, we have Craven the Hunter.This is also really interesting because Craven the Hunter is notorious for one storyline.
35:16It's, it's...A great storyline, though.Great storyline, and it's one of the most famous...Spider-Man storylines, I would say, right?Outside of that, everything about the Craven Hunter is kind of muddled and not great.So obviously Craven's last hunt is fantastic.But when he started, when he arrived, he was just a fucking guy trying to shoot Spider-Manwith Tranquilizer darts.
35:41And then after Craven's Last Hunt, because I don't want to spoil things for a 40-year-old storyline.Raven's last hunt is supposed to be his last huntbecause he shoots himself in the head.And since then,we have read stories where Craven has come back to lifefrom voodoo or from like resurrection things, whatever.He's come back to life.He's like a haps bird or he's dead or he's not dead or whatever.
36:13It's really diminished a lot of the Craven the hunter character.And I think that's done a disservice to him.I think because of that,like, if they stopped it at Craven's last time,it would be like an easy A tier.But I think because he's kept going and they just, like, ruined him,I would say you're talking like a B tier.What I don't like about Raven,
36:43I mean, it's worth pointing out,he did stay dead for like 20 years after that storyline.but then they basically replaced him with, I think, two different sons who both looked exactly the same as himand had the same, like, voice and characteristics and everything.So it's just like, oh, okay.Do you what I love with that, like, quick, was that they brought, like, his first son in.I think it was a grim hunter, wasn't it?The first son was a grim hunter?
37:14And then they killed him, like, really quickly.Like, well, what the fuck was the point?and then the second onehad a longer inningand you're like, well this is greatif you make the son of Craven the Hunterthen you Craven the Hunterbut then they killed him as well
37:30and you're like what thenwhat the point right?Yeahit's a shameso where are you leaning for CravenI think meI thinkI think I
37:44could make an argumentfor A but Ithink he is probably fair considering, you know, like they had the big storyline to kill him off.They finally brought him back 20 years later.They haven't really done a whole lot with him.They, I think they basically, they basically killed him off again and replaced him with a clone of himself.Who was like, I don't know, it feels like he's just been watered down too many times to,like to really be an A tier list
38:23Vivian.They've beasted him.Yeah.They beat him. Absolutely.I agree with John 100%.Like I think that likethe potential to be A tier was definitely there.But they
38:37the more they bring him back and like the more they kind of like muddyhis waters like it's I would say it's a high Blater on.But like it's a B.Okay.Yeah.Up next, his name doesn't start with B, it starts with C, it's Carnage.Not all the segues are good, okay?
38:56Uh-oh.I mean, I want to put him in A as well with Venom.But again, I think of it, like, it's tough because Venom and Carnage both came in,and they were both immediately, like, a big deal.Both of them were like, this is, like, serious shit.You've got to pay attention to this.and I think nowthe time has passed
39:23again same with Venom the last20 years we haven't had a good Carnage storylineand that's a shame becausethe potential is still thereat leastCarnage hasn't shared his symbiote with as manypeople as Venom hasbut even then you're like well
39:40at least that keeps Venomkind of relevant and likein comics I would saylike a low A honestlyand I know I'm very biasedtowards carnage and I would love to put him in C or an S here but I would say like a low A I would puthim below venom and I think everybody would agree with that so yeah carnage is a it's a low A so we'regonna put carnage in a yeah you agree with that John I'm not gonna argue with that yeah because
40:12I think like you say I think venom and carnage both have had the same sort of issue wherethey've kind of grown beyond the Spider-Man world.So while they may have started out as really significant Spider-Man villains,they kind of haven't been for a good while now.So, you know.What's fun about that, though, when you say there used to be very significant Spider-Man villains,they've now turned into very insignificant other people villains.That's interesting.
40:44You know what I mean?Like, now, like, if they come up against, like, the Avengers or whatever,they're not that scared of them, but Spider-Man was because he's just one guy.That's an interesting tip.Yeah.We should write for Spider-Man.We should.Who do we talk to?
41:05Who's the new editor-in-chief, Steve Wacker?Yes.What's his email?Yeah, there we go.I got some idea.We'll find out.All right, so up next we have our third goblin.This time, it is Harry Osborne, Green Glock.
41:19I think that John will agree that Harry Osborne is at the very least the second most interesting green goblin.Yes.And I think that what they did with Harry Osborne as Green Goblin was great.Like really good, really solid.And it's important that they did that.Again, I feel like recently the waters have been a little muddy.but I think that original storylineagain if you go with like same McCraven
41:52if you look at that original storyline you're like that's a greatwhat a wonderful storylinethat was I'm going to sayI don't know if this is controversial I'm going to saya tierlike a low AI'm going to say a low Abecause I feel like it was
42:09if you look at Spider-Manand his relationship toother people and hiswhole likelike beinghis bestfriend being the successor to his arch enemy is a big storyline.Yeah.
42:26That's huge.I would say like a, I would say A tier somewhere.I would put him like, I mean, I was leaning between A and B, but yeah, I kind of agreewith what they didn't say.And like the fact that they have that history, uh, like personal history, Peter andHarry.And then just like the significance of like the.stuff that Harry would do as well.
42:50Like he tried crashing the wedding between Peter and Mary Jane.He was the one responsible for, you know, I believe it was the comedian.Like he hired him to kind of create the robots which showed up on Peter's door,looking like his parents and did all that just to fuck with him from beyond the grave.It's like, yeah, Harry did some stuff.as a villain, which needs to be recognized.Yes, there was,there was a lot of fun stuff that he did,
43:24and I feel like Nick Spencertried tofix a lot of problemswith the very messyOsborne timeline,including the fact that they broughtHarry Osborne back after a brand new dayfor no reason.
43:41So like, God bless me, tried to fix that.Because that was a real sticking pointfor me. I hatedthat they brought Harry Osborne back forno reason.You can't think of any other cuntthat Peter Parker could talk to.It has to be
43:57Harry Osborne.His death was one of those very significantcomic book deaths, you know?I agree with John and that, like, you can,there's an argument for A or B tier,but I think that, like, he edges out of A tier.Yeah.Okay.
44:14Up next, we have the Beatle.This is the most recent Beatle, who is, I believe,with the daughter ofTombstone.Tombstone.Okay.If this is the most recentBeetle, what has the most recent
44:28beetle done other than hang out with Boomerang?I think shegot into a relationshipwithRobbie Robertson'sson, Randy.I'm not surewhat that does to
44:48make her a Spider-Man villain, butyouknow.Well, theS tier, right?Of the top.I mean,I think we're looking at the next
45:02D tier.Okay.I think we're looking at DTier.I'll be honest to be, dude,when I first saw this list,I was like,we're not going to get any D tiers.And I've already know,
45:12I know we're going to get at least one more.So.All right.Well, up next,we have the full.This is again a very early Spider-Man villain, a really fun Spider-Man villain.Because again, what I like about the vulture, kind of like Dr. Octopus, is he's a guy thathas this technology, but he's just like an old weird dude.
45:38You know what you mean?He's just an old weird dude.I really like that.There's something quaint about that, you know?I really like the vulture a lot.I love, in the90s he did a storyline where he got youngagain and then
45:55he lost it and hebecame an old man again whichwas at the timefucking stupid. Likewhat do you, how does that work?But it's like fun toread a comic. He had like his little vulture squad.I really like
46:11the vulture a lot. Michael Keatonin the film. Iam super temptedto put him an eight tier. I feel like thevulture as a villain is probably B tier.I was going to sayI would not go as high asA as much as I like him.
46:28I think lookingat our B tier list as wellI think he slots in withthat group nicely.I was going to say if you look at the Sandmanand you look at the vulture, you're like prettylevel pegging.Pretty fair
46:43enough. Up next we have Dr.Kurt Conner is the lizard.I'm kind ofthinking B tier becauseagain he'sone of these ones who's got that like kind ofpersonal connection with Peterwhich makes him
46:58a more kind ofimpactful villain in a waybut then you gotlike the wholeDr. Jack orMr. Hyatt kind ofdeal with theKurt Connors and lizard
47:14personasumAnd yeah, like, I mean, at one point, didn't he eat his own son?I think he tried to. He did. He tried to. Right?I thought he did. And then they brought him back as a clone.Wow.Him and the wife, but.Everybody loves clones.
47:39Where would John put the lizard?I'd say B tier, I think. I think he's above.shockerbut he's definitely not as highas you knowhobgoblin orHarry OsborneI feel like a
47:59like aB tier is fair because he's still a veryrecognizable villainbut he's never likethat like upper escalonof like he's a real likeeven though he likehas killed any people he's never felt like
48:14he's gonna do like that much damage to youso I feel likeB-tier, you know,but one track mine.Okay.You know.Put them into B-tier as well.So up next to you have,
48:28Alistair Smyth.Ugh.I mean,D-T.So hang on,well,Alistair smith was the sonof Spencer Smyth.
48:46Yes.Preach of the spider slayers.Yeah.So Spenceer-Smyth.would have been DTR for sure.Uh-huh.Like 100%.But Alice is smite.
48:58And again, Corey, you can really tell that you can watch at the show.Yep.Alice is smite over like so many other people.Yep.Despite the tarantula.Like, all right, those are...Well, Trachio wasn't in the cartoon.I just remembered him very visually.
49:18Yeah.It's interesting, interesting choices.I feel likeAlicea Smythe was a muchbigger deal than hishis fatherand there were definitelylike storylines where he was a big deal
49:34like he made the spider slayers that likedidn't they killumMartha Jamesonyeah I was gonna saydefinitely I'm not sure if a name was Martha as wellbecause I thought that wasbad man
49:48uh Kurt Conner'sum wife was MarthaBecause it's also Batman and Superman'sMothers and wives or whatever the fuck.So Martha,they're big deal in America, Corey.You gotta sort that out.Yeah.
50:03Well, I mean,the comics have done a pretty good jobof killing off most of these Martyrs, though, so.Not as much an issue anymore.That is true.They kill all them.Fuck me.They get rid of the Marthas.
50:13But also add more Marthas, you know.Mark can't just still with us.Right.Who?Is she?Martha can't.Yeah, she's still with us.Not yet.
50:24Give a time.I'll kill her.She's no leady.You know?Um,so it's tough.It's done some good stuff,but like you can't realistically put him above C tier.
50:38I think John was talking about D tier.I don't know, man.It's,I think the only way you could say he's a C tier is just because of the, you know,the fact he was all over the animated seriesand he was a big part of like, you know,being the kingpins number two for most of that runand then, yeah, being turned into like the monstrous version of himself as well.
51:11Like, that's the...Honestly, that is the most significant thing that's ever happened to himas a character in any medium.I think that killing Jibison's...wife is a big deal.Where was the follow-up, though?Correct.Ah, you're right.
51:31I mean, I don't give any shit about Smyth enough to argue that.I'm happy to put them in D-tier.Okay.We'll put them in D-tier.All right, up next, we have Electro.Where would you put Electro?It's like a solid B.Yeah, I'd say so.
51:49It's like a fair B.No, a debate on Electro.just like a regular beat like he's good we all know him but like he's never likedone nothing amazing but he's never been like that shite either like he's always been a bit of athreat so yeah fair you know so here's our last goblin on the list it's norman osborne's greengoblin i mean no questions we can we can be around the bush all we want but it's gonna beyes tier it's gonna be 100% fair enough yeahAny comments you would like to make before we move on to our second to last?
52:28I mean, for me, he is Spider-Man's, you know, worst enemy.But, I mean, I could see why an argument would be made for Dr. Octopus, but for me,it's always going to be Norman Osborne.Yeah, but no, the friends.Yeah, but, I mean, when he turns here again, it's just going to make it even more of a betrayal.and going to sting that much more.What a noise made with that iswe have had 70 years of Norman Osborne
53:00being the worst person to Peter Parkerand then Norman Osborne gets shotby the reverse sin-eaterand then Peter Parker's like,oh, don't worry about it.All that shit you did to me?We're fine. Don't worry about it.I mean, he didn't really say that.
53:17It took a lot of Norman kind of breaking downbarriers and trying toconvince Peter that hechanged and stuff like that. LikePeter didn't just go, oh yeah, let's befriends now. No way with a guythat orchestrated a guy thatcloned you and then
53:35pretended to be you for five years and thenalsokidnapped your aunt for some reasonand then made a womanto have surgery to make herlook like her aunt and then she diesso that you think that your aunt diedand then your clone. And then
53:51you're a clone.made you think thathe was the real youand thenthat guy who did all of thiskilled your phone in front of youI don't think at any pointyou'd be like yeah that's all right
54:05I forget themI don't know I don't disagreewith that at all but I meanlike I sayI'm not excusing thethe twist and turns of the storylineI don'tnecessarily agree with it but
54:21I will kind ofdefend it in thatPeter, I didn't just getbowled over. There waslike evenyou know, likea big part of it was just going to work forOzCorp to kind of keep an eye on
54:37Norman and make sure he wasn'tup to no good again.Uh-huh. So it was, there'sbeen a level of distrust there allthroughout this, you know,FaceTun. Norman, they have my card. It said, I'msorry, I killed yourgirlfriend.
54:51I'm like, that's nice.Thank you.He didn't have to do that.What a sweet gift that was.I don't know.I, like, listen, realistically, of course, S here, right?I'm just saying, once again, the last couple of years have kind of, like, eroded that character.And it's a shame because there's loads of stuff you can do with that character.
55:13All right.Well, up next, our penultimate pick, the rhino.Where would you place the rhino?I love the rhino.But also, for being realistic with this, the rhino was just a guy in a rhino suit that you hire to hurt people or to rob a bank.He's had a couple of, like, notable storylines, you know, Flores or Rino or when his girlfriend died, whatever.Like, they've tried to do stuff with him, but, like, realistically, he's just, like, a guy you hire, you know?So I honestly, I would love to put him a B tier, but I think he's a C tier.
55:51I mean, I was leaning towards B-Tier, just because I think he falls into like a similar category to like Scorpion, Sandman, Vulture and Electro.Like he's, he's one of those perennial villains who maybe isn't going to be like, you know, the master planner, you know, trying to ruin Spider-Man's Spider-Man'slife or whatever but uh you're more interested in like robin the bank or whatever but you knowhe's got a significant sort of power set and uh like just a cool gimmick as well and that kind ofyou know pushes him up there for me right but if you want to go see tier i'm like i'm notgoing to dispute well that's my thing was like if you think of what you just said he's a guythat robs a bank, but a significant partset, that's the same as
56:54the shocker or Hydraman.Isn't it?Well, it's the same as Scorpionor Vulture or Sandmanas well, so...Spokin has a much bigger, like, a back story.He's got a much bigger history with Spider-Man,and you feel like the Vulture probably
57:10has a bigger history with Spider-Man.The Shocker and Hydromand are just kind of,like, guys that they hirebeat up Spider-Man.And I feel like Rino is not a million milesaway from that.Yeah, okay, I'll concede that.I mean, that's the thing. Again,
57:26we're on the same page in that I wouldn't besurprised if he was like a low B.For me, personally, I would saylike a decent C, butlike I'm not going to quibble either way.You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.So we're replacing him officially?It's up to Corey.
57:42C. Okay.All right. I think it's fair.And finally,we have the Kingpin.I love the kingpin and I really think he's a great character,but we all know that he has spent a lot of time being a Daredevil villain,more so than a Spider-Man villain,even though they're both in New York,
58:08like it feels like Daredevil gets the brunt of it more than Spider-Man does.I would love to put him in A-tier.I would say B-tier is fair, but I would also say A-tier is fair.I mean, I was going to go for a tier.Just because, you know, when he was first introduced in the Spider-Man books,he was a pretty big deal for a long time as, like,the guy basically pulling a lot of strings and stuff in the criminal underworld.And then, like you say, obviously he has spent a significant amount of time
58:43being Daredevil's chief villain.but he still had time forSpider-Man andlike trying tofuck up his world as welllike when he hired someone to killat May andthat led to the whole
59:01one more day's storylineyeah that fucking debaclebut you knowyou can see why the Kingpin would have a lotof stuff tostay up at Spider-Man as wellagain the very low level or street levelshould say street level kind of criminal
59:19but a really brilliant oneso again if you were looking at like the kingpinhe's definitely likethe otherstreet level criminalshe's above tombstone for sureso yeah yeah definitelyI think A tier is totally fine
59:36mm-hmmokayall right well real quickwell wait Corey CoreyCorey Coreybased on your knowledge of Spider-ManYeah.What do you think about this tier list?
59:51I mean, it checks out.I mean, I'm still kind of surprised that we're taking points off of Venom,considering like Venom is considered like a major antagonist,even if he has done a face turn.Because what you said about Venom,you could apply it to Norman Osborne as well.I mean.Right.
01:00:07But if you look at the timeline,the timeline of Venom having that has been way longer than Norman Osborne.Sure.Like, I think the impact that Norman Osborne.Osborne has had on Spider-Man is significantly bigger than the impact Venom has had.And the time that Venom has been fucking around is longer than the time that Norman Osborne has.Yeah.So ultimately, like you said, I don't know much about Spider-Man stuff as you guys do, obviously,
01:00:34considering, you know, I added Alistair smite to the list.And apparently that was a, that was a choice.But again, I watched the cartoon from the 90s, and that fucker was all over the place.there are so many different spider slayersthey've been stacked up on top of each otheryou're lucky you put those robots on thereI'm tempted to bump him up the seat hereafter Corey talking about
01:00:59oh shut upmaybe we should make him a tieryeah there you go anywaythat being said to do a quick recapin our D tier we have tarantulathe beetle and Alistair smitein our seat here we have the shotHidreman, the Jason McIndale Hobgoblin, Hammerhead, and the Rhino.
01:01:20In B tier, we have the Chamele, Scorpion, Tombstone, the Jackal, the Sandman, Craven, the Hunter,the vulture, the lizard, and Electro.In our A tier, we have the Roderick Kingsley Hobgoblin, Eddie Brock's Venom, Mysterio,Carnage, Harry Osborne Green Goblin, and the Kingpin.In an S-tier, we have Dr. Octopus and the Norman Osborne Green Goblin.Is there anything here that you would change?just in terms of like tears yeah anyone you'd move you would move up or down i don't think so mani think we nilled it yeah no for me i'm really happy with the list i think we fucking kneeled it
01:01:57like i'm kind of like me and john i had a couple of issues on the show so that when it comes tospider-man we know what we're talking about yeah we're on the same page we're on the same pagedo you think we have time to go through and sort each row by importanceWe could probably do it really quickly.Okay.So let's start from the bottom up.Who is the worst D-list person and who is the best D-list person?It's probably this trantula, right?
01:02:28I would say the B or the B.Beetle, Trachula, and then Smyth.So we would go the best left or right.Yes.All right.So we're finding this row.So we go Smyth, Tarantula, Beetle as the worst.Yep.
01:02:44C tier, same question,who's the best and worst and we'll sort it from there.I think if you look at who had the most impactout of those guys.Would it be McIndale?I think the Rhino.No, I was going to say rhino as well.McIndale, he was just too much of a loser.
01:03:06He was the big.McIdle and Shocker of the same level.You know what?Hang on, wait, wait.Is that?What about that?Do you find with this?The worst being hammerhead, the best being rhino, and we go rhino, shocker, Hydromand, McIndale, Hammerhead?
01:03:23Would you put Hammerhead in front of McIndale?Probably.Actually, you probably put McIndale, or sorry, you probably put Hammerhead in front of Hyderman, right?Yeah, yeah.Okay, let's do that.So the DEC list is now Rhino, Shocker, Hammerhead, Hydromen, and the McIndale Cobblin.Yep.All right, B, tier.
01:03:44This one might take the longest to get through here.because it's the most people, but who's the best and the worst, the B tier?Man.That's tough.This one's, this one's, this was, this was, this was, this was top for the other ones.Yeah, let's go with just best and worst, and then we'll, we'll let it fall from, from there.Like, who's the least impactful B tier person you could think of?Yeah.
01:04:09Maybe the least would be chameleon.Maybe.Pretty low.So let's put, and then, let's just move him down here for now and see what that changed,if that changed anything for you.And then Tombstone.Stone. Yeah.Okay, so we go like that.
01:04:29Then I want to putKirk Connors.Okay. Becausehe doesn't do anything.Yeah.Okay. You know?I'd say maybeVulture next.
01:04:43Okay.Okay.Then Jackal, maybe.Interesting.I would sayJackal is more important thanElectro.Okay.
01:04:57Yeah.Okay.Maybe leave the rest in there.Or maybe put Sandman in front of McDonald.Yeah.Okay.Yeah?And I would put Craven ahead of...
01:05:11Okay.So put Craven in front and Saman, yeah?Yeah, yeah.Craven and then Sandman. Okay.Yeah.So B-tier is now Craven, the Sandman, Scorpion, the Jackal, Electro, the Vulture, the Lizard,Tombstone, and Camelia.That's pretty good
01:05:28Okay, A tier, same question, who's theMost Impactful and Least Impactful?I mean, probably Bannon firstYeahIn terms of what he's done, probably VenomAnd then maybe, I want to say KingpinI was going to say Kingpin as well, yeahYeah, I would say Kingpin
01:05:47Now from there, II'm torn, I think Bob Goblinis fair thereI would put carnage in front of MysterioYeahI mean I wouldPut Harry above carnage as wellTo be honest
01:06:09I don't I don't yeah I can believe thatI can see thatBecause I think that what he did in the time he did it inIt was very impactfulSo yeahI think that's fairOkayAnd then I think we know what AST here is
01:06:24So real quick, though, just to recap A tier, we go Venom, Kingpin, Roderick Kingsley, Hobgoblin,Harry Osborne, Green Goblin, Carnage, and Mysterio, and then S-tier, we just have a choice between the two.We swap them, obviously.Okay.Yeah.So S-tier, we would have Green Goblin, Norman, and then Dr. Octopus.So based on our tier, the most important is Green Goblin, the least important is the fourth, is the last beetle.I honestly think we've nailed that.
01:06:52Yeah.are we fucking nailed thatthis is the happiestI've ever been with any of our TSSthis might be the best showwe've ever doneI'm super pleased with thatthis is what happens
01:07:06to get two Spider-Man fansin the one roomlike yeah we can do thisno problemand then we did itand there was no issuewell I was just sayingyou could have picked somebody else
01:07:14and you rememberto try to thatI'm like oh thanks for making this job easyyeah I was to Godwho else could I have pickedfucking beetlelike,again,
01:07:23who would I have picked?There areDaphne peopleare going to pick.Like,who?We talked,well,
01:07:29we talked aboutJack Aladdin.Yeah,but I also felt likethat was we had too manypeople throwing pumpkin bombsat that point.I could have put it
01:07:36in a bunch of otherhob goblins there too.We talked about like five.I would say that,I was trying to limitthe number of goblins.I would saythat Jackalandran is a bigger deal
01:07:49than the beetle.Or boomerang.would be up there.Oh, yeah, Boomerang would have been...It would have been...It would have been...Over the Beetle 100%.You have taken Boomerang over the Beetle?
01:07:59Okay.Because of...That's funny enough.That's the opposite of what we've been talking about.Like, we've been talking about old storylinesand the new ones kind of ruin the character.The newer storylines have made boomerang like a viable villain.He's got a symbion now, so...
01:08:15Yeah, I've heard that.And it's true.What a surprise.It would be happy with that.But, like...you could have had Morbius in there.I thought about Morbius, but here's the thing is, like,I already felt like I was pushing it with having Venom on there,
01:08:32and, um, because I was like,because Kirk Connors is also not really a villain.And I thought like, you know, if I put,I was also like going, should I put Black Cat on there?Because she was a villain at one point.I would have said,Berman.You see, I've never seen vermin.
01:08:47You've just,you've talked to me about Berman before.I've never seen a storyline or anything with him.we've never well no yes you havehe was in Craven's last huntoh okay okay yeahI just sorry I was thinking aboutvermin in Craven's last hunt I was kind of busy
01:09:02thinking about Cravenwell he was well part of whyhe's inpart of why he's in Craven last hunt is becauseSpider-Man had a really hard time beatinguh Berman by himselfso the idea is Craven putsBerman against Spider-Man because he knows
01:09:18that Spider-Man has a really big fearof Berman.Like that's such a cool.And again,Berman is such a very lowstreet level character.He's not,like he doesn't shoot the shit out of his
01:09:29fists or whatever.He's just a rat boy.But he can like fight andhe has a desperation to him.I'm like,that's a fun trait to him.I really like that.And again, I would imagine
01:09:41they probably fuck Berman up nowwhere he's just like,oh, he's the son.You know, he's a new washer.I don't fucking know, you know,but.Yeah.He used to be
01:09:53like a really like seriouslike important characterand I feel like they probablyI mean I wouldn't say importantI meanRight not importantBut like if Spider-momwas going up against the shocker
01:10:04He would be like I could beat this guyNo problemBut if Spider-Man againstVermontHe's like I have to likeStop and think about thisThere's a fear to thatThat I find was really fun
01:10:16And interestingYeahYou knowthat I would have put a gap ahead of the beetleI also knew I had to put some low tier people in therefor the simple fact that we do need some D list peoplethat's what I mean like staffI was like looking at superior
01:10:34the superior foes of Spider-Man and I was likeBeatles is a woman we don't have any women on the list so fartarantula because I remember I had a tarantula trading cardwhen I had like the Spider-Man trading cardsbut yeah that's sort of my rationale behind youbecause I also could have put like speed demon or whatever the fuck that guy's name was from superior foes.I think speed demon.Anyway, yeah.
01:10:56So that was the tier list.You guys absolutely knocked it out of the park and in full agreement with one another.I feel like if you were in person, you would have shaken hands over it.Would be hogging each other.Yeah.Yeah.And I'm glad that you guys are in such great spirits talking about Spider-Man,because we're going to be doing it a lot more over the next few weeks as we begin our month of goblins.
01:11:17we're going to talk about a goblin every week or goblins.This is going to be the happiest you're going to see us for the next four weeks.There you go.Well, until we get to then, I'm sure.I think we're going to see John really happy for one of the episodes.That one might, thinking about that one, that could be a two-parter.He's done a lot.I don't know if you could squeeze, if you wanted to try to split that one into two, we could do it.
01:11:42But he's done a lot.We'll work about it.Anyway, we'll figure it up.That will, we'll talk about that later.Anyway, John, there have been a lot of Spider-Man movies, and you watched a lot of movies.What's the most recent movie that you have watched, and what does your movie count for the year?So, the most recent movie I watched was my 903 movie of the year.You jumped up?
01:12:09Yeah.Wow, that's a big leap.Did you stun him in the silence?I guess.Did your microphone break as we were trying to close the show again?Wow.So I broke John.I can pretend to be John.
01:12:32What's this?Oh, the last film I saw was Novi and Juliet.Five stars.Really good.Nobody died.If you want to see the most recent movie that,or the review of the most recent movie that John watched,find out for yourself by going to the link below for letterbox.com slash big John Bowsky,
01:12:49all one word.All one word.All one word.And Dylan, what have you been getting up to before your microphone breaks?Wow.I shouldn't have attempted to be it like that.Microphones been cut on all night.Right.
01:13:06You just like passed it on.I have a radio show where I play a lot of cool music that I like.I find music I like during the week and I play it on the show.It's on Monday nights from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock UK time.It's available on Bounceditraloradio.com.The link is in the description.So if you click that link at 9 o'clock on Monday night's UK time,you'll be able to listen to my show.
01:13:32You'll know it's my show because I will be talking bullshit in between all the songs.As Corey can attest to.So check it out if you like that kind of stuff.Sometimes at Extreme, where I draw pictures on Twitch at Spooky LaRue.And then I animate those shows and then put them on YouTube at Team Crows and I.And then on TikTok, add Team Crow Studios.And I think that's it.All right.
01:13:59As for me, I have new number ones, which is every Sunday on our very YouTube channel.So check that out.It is usually about six, seven minutes long where I just find a new number one from a third-party publisher and let you know if it's worth picking up.Additionally, I have made the show, a large old cup, which is a sort of stream of conscious spoken word podcast.And finally, there is my new podcast, which I do.Ideally, we'll have a couple episodes out by now by the time you're watching this called Opal City Archives, which is a retrospective series on Starman, the James Robinson, Tony Harris Comics from DC in the 90s.But until then, we'll see you guys next week where we're going to talk about some goblins.See you later.
01:14:39Good night.Bye-bye.Wow.This is like the third episode in the row.It's the second time that's happened to John.
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