The Smark Avengers - Spider-Man Villain Tier Rankings

Episode Date: September 25, 2026

Peter Parker has been Spider-Man since the 1960s and has not run short of running into costumed villains dedicated to squashing him. Whether they are lifelong rivals who have personal vendettas and connections to his out of costume identity or just two-bit crooks sporting a costume to rob a bank, the Spider-Man rogues gallery is as diverse as it is colorful. With this many villains in his past, you have to wonder how they rank and compare to one another right? 🕷️ Sit back and relax as the Smark Avengers take a look at 25 of Spider-Man’s villains and decide where they fit on a classic Tierlist:How does the Roderick Kingsley Hobgoblin compare to the Jason Macendale Hobgoblin?Does the Scorpion’s tenure as Venom raise his profile amongst other villains?Where does perennial loser Shocker fall? Has the recent use of Venom over the years hurt his perception as a top tier villain? Who is a certifiable S-tier Spider-Man villain? All of this and more! 💬 Join the discussion: do you agree with Jon and Dylan’s finalized list? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy comic book related discussions and humor🔔 Subscribe for more comic deep dives, reviews, rankings, and debatesClick the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylarouxClick the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f Also be sure to check out New Number Ones posted every week on this same channel!

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Sure. Eh, hey. Vaguely Italian. Ah, oh. Vigley Italian, but not proper Italian. No, just vaguely. No, it's a bulleted of America one. Exactly.

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This is how they speak in Italian. Yeah, that's what they do. Everybody is all this spaghetti. Like, you don't sign... I'm not being beat Italian. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Smart Avengers. My name is Corey.

And with me is Dylan. And John, how's it going, fellas? Hello. Yeah, no bad. So, do I like eating pizza? Do I like eating pizza? Of course they do. Who doesn't enjoy eating a good pizza?

We have had pizza discussions before. Isn't there a local pizza place that you really like? Yeah, Floyd pizza. Yeah, cloud pizza. You say clown pizza? Blight, L-O-U-T. Oh, I say clown pizza. I went, Dill that sounds so out.

Why would I go to clown pizza? You open up the box and confetti spots out of you. Yeah, it's the pizza's ruined because it's a little bits of paper in it now. You go back to the guy, like, I want a refund. He's like, yeah, no. No worries. Just like look into my flower real quick. And I go, all right.

You know, I need to go, right. You know, I need to gore to water. Like, ah, it's not a refund at all. You got me again. Every time. I should stop going. Well, I was talking to John a little bit ago, Dylan. I'm not sure if you heard this, but it has occurred to me that beginning next week,

we will begin our October theme month, which I think we've decided it's going to be all goblins. Every week we're going to talk about different goblin. Ish. Yeah. There'll be some bending of the rules. Some goblins can stand on their own and some goblins we might have to combine and make work, but we will make them work. I understand where you're coming from. So we have our month of goblins coming up.

But before then, I think we have actually talked about Spider-Man in some capacity for about a month already. So we're going to be looking at two months worth of Spider-Man related content. Yes. And, you know, I'm not necessarily mad about it, but I think it would be a great way to get us into this mindset of talking about these various goblin personas would be if we decided to make the official Smart Avengers Spider-Man villain tier list. What a great idea. Makes sense to me. Yeah.

So, you know, how this works, we have 25 different villains. I put this together the other day. I think I nailed all of the big heavy hitters of them and then threw in a couple oddballs. but I don't think there's anyone missing, but if there is, you guys will let me know if I miss someone very apparent. But that being said, we'll head over into the tier Ranker

and kind of take it from there. Hooray. All right. It's the official, Smart Avengers, Spider-Man, villain, Raker, tier list maker. Catchy title, as always. So this is a public list. If you would like to do this yourself,

by all mean, just go to tiermaker.com. And I think if you just look up for Spark Avengers, you'll find this one and our X-Men one that we made earlier. Both of our X-Men ones we made because I think we made an X-Men heroes and a villains list. Anyway, we have 25 villains

and we were going to be ranking them S-tier, A, tier, B, tier, C-tier, and D-tier. Any questions before we get started? I don't think so. No, I think we know the deal. All right, I'm going to probably lean heavily on you guys because you're going to be way more

familiar with a lot of these folks than I am. I only have a lot of passing glances and maybe just knowledge of animated series versions of these characters. But we're going to start off with one of your favorites. It is the Roderick Kingsley version of the Hobgoblin. Yes. So where do you guys think that Roderick Kingsley's Hobgoblin fits on this tier?

S tier. I mean, in my heart, I would say S tier. I think in my head, I would put him A tier, probably. I just because... Yeah, I would agree. I think he's, when he first debuted, it was great and it felt like an impactful storyline. Even like in the mid-nighties when like Roderick Kingsley's identity was revealed and he had his like clashes with Norman Osborne as well, great stuff. But then kind of since then, he hasn't really had as many juicy storylines to kind of sink his teeth into.

So as good as he is, I would put A. I agree with John, really. Like, obviously, I would love to put him in a tier. I think realistically, he probably is A tier. So the question I have for you guys real quick, though, on it, why do you think that no one has ever gone with a hobgoblin adaptation for the Spider-Man movies? Like, he's never been a villain. I think the Green Goblin is just a much more appealing option.

Yeah, the personal aspect of it, what would be in the dad of Peter's best friend, even though they don't have a Harry Osborne in the current MCU, like, I mean, even still, like if you do Green Goblin, there's more kind of material to mine there. But also, I feel like if you're doing Hobgoblin, you have to do Green Goblin first, because the gimmick is that the Hobgoblin has, stolen the Green Goblins equipment. The equipment exists. The Goblin exists. The animated series proved that you didn't have to do it that way around. I like the way they

introduced the Hobgoblin first there and then Norman kind of had his own issues and, you know, went off the reservation and decided to become a goblin as well. Well, it looks like fun, doesn't it? Flying an enemy goblin thing.

Absolutely. throwing pumpkins like that's cool yeah you get to laugh all the time right i think being a goblin be pretty cool when you think about it yeah yeah yeah i'd be it for that all right well cori yes a way to make us uh goblins is that all right can we like get me and john to drink the goblin serum and then become goblins is that all right sure would you like to become a goblin i always like Jackalander a little bit better. Okay. You don't have to find your own serum then, because we'll have the

goblin serum. Yeah, I don't think Jackaliner had a serum. I don't know what he had. Spice pumpkin latte. Sounds lovely, actually. He would be drinking his own head? Come on. No, he wouldn't do that. Listen, we would never do that. Well, there's no pumpkin and pumpkin spice latte. It's not eating that because of these same spices they put in pumpkin pie.

Oh, so the spices are the pumpkin spices, but they're not, it's not pumpkin flake. It's not any gourd in there. It's just nutmeg sitting in and sugar. I've never had pumpkin spice latte, so I wouldn't know. Same. Yeah, you're missing out. It's the only flavored coffee thing I'll ever drink. I don't think we are missing I. That's fair. You don't have to like it. Anyway, drink it.

Let's move back over to our tier list and our next on the list is, is Dr. Octopus, Otto Octavius. It's got to be asked here. Yeah, no arguments there. Easy. Like, that's like, I think if people are talking about, like, Spider-Man is, like, major, like, arch enemies, it's either the Green Goblin or it's Dr. Octopus. So, question for you regarding Dr. Octopus. What is it about him that makes him such an iconic Spider-Man villain?

Like, what makes him stand out amongst the rest? I think because he's just a dude. Like, he's just a really smart dude. If you think about Peter Parker, he was a smart dude that, like, used his smarts to, like, build his webbing and then, like, you know, spider tracers and go out and, like, do good stuff. On the flip side, you have Dr. Octopus that's kind of... If Peter Parker is supposed to be, like, the everyman kind of nerd,

Dr. Octopus is, like, he's very relieved. because he's a guy that got bullied because of the way he looked at the stupid bull cut haircut he's not athletic he's not a super part at all he's very intelligent he's the kind of guy that would obviously have got picked on and he used his smarts for evil as it were as opposed to peter parker he used his for good and it's a wonderful kind of juxtaposition between peter parker and dr octobus i think okay john i would agree with that I would also say as well, obviously he's just had like loads of incredible storylines as well. Like being one of the founding members of the Sinister Six and then like the whole deal where, you know, he's taken too many blows to the head and he's dying. And so he like transfers his mind into Peter's body and takes over to prove that he can be the superior Spider-Man. Like, there's so many good Dr. Octopus stories out there because he's such a versatile character. The buildup to, like, you know, Spider-Man 700 was Dr. Octopus, like, he's going to die and he's like, I got to do something. He was like he wanted to leave a, like, a legacy behind.

He wanted to do something. Mm-hmm. Like a long, a long trail of Dr. Octopus, like, desperately trying to do something. and that was quite fun to read as well you know this man like so desperate to like do something in his life because he knows the gloves were off

yes there was a real like there was a real evilness to it that I feel like you didn't always get the Spider-Man villain I think we're going to find out that a lot of Spider-Man villains ear more on the comical side as opposed to the more deadly side but I think that

once we look at who is rank ranked S and who is ranked D, the ones that are ranked S and A are the ones that are the more deadly, the more like, um, visceral and emotional. You know, like a doctor octopus has spent a long time hating Spider-Man. That's going to come out in a lot of ways, you know. But also he tried that Marriott May. Like, what a fucking, what a baller, you know. Well, you mentioned the gloves coming off.

Well, the gloves are going back on because we're going to talk about the shocker next. Where do you put the shocker, Herman Schultz? As here. I don't know. I feel like realistically, see is probably a good one. Yeah, I was going to say maybe like this is where we kind of figure out, like, how are you, like, what's, your decision making based on? Is it like their goals? Is it their success rate? Is it their sort of status in the public conscious? Like what what's going in your mindset when you're

thinking of like how am I going to put this guy on this list? It's tough because I think it's normally like holly the writer treats that character. And a lot of the time I have seen the shocker being treated as a kind of a joke. Yeah. Sometimes there have been like times where you've seen the shocker and he's kind of like legit and he's like, oh, this is fun. I like that. But the times that that has happened versus the times where he's just been labeled

as the guy with the quilt is, you know, it's a little bit disproportionate. He's not like, he's not detier by any stretch of the imagination. But it's also one of the things were like, Corey, if you put it like this, if

Spider-Man gets an alert that something bad's happening in downtown New York. He flies over to see what it is. And the person he finds causing havoc in the middle of the street, is he going to be shocked? Is he going to be like, I'm fucked?

Or is he going to be like, that guy's wearing a quilt? You know? Yeah. You can kind of like tell the level by how he Spider-Man reacts to that guy. Okay. As much as we love the shocker on the show, and we do.

He doesn't love the shocker. He kind of feel like he's like, he's he's like C tier and also the way they pray him he's kind of like a henchman or like a bank robber or yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah whittleton you know even though i loved him in the tv show the animated show he was amazing but you know so C tier for shocker another character who uh had a kind of a larger presence than you would expect on the animated series is the chameleon uh where which put the chameleon I would say B tier. I was thinking that as well.

Okay. I think because there's like history there. He was Spider-Man's very first villain, which counts for something. Then he's got like some pretty cool powers as well, being able to kind of, like originally he was, you know, putting on masks and stuff,

but I believe his powers have changed now so he can... Says the face. You know, yeah. And that's a pretty good gimmick to have. He's really good in that he's a kind of like very low, like, street level kind of villain for Spider-Mond of face. And that he's not... He's not like a physical threat to him at all.

Yes. But he's definitely like a psychological threat. Because you don't know what he's going to be. You know what I mean? Because if the chameleon is just... dressed as like a regular guy that's not going to send Spider-Man's Spider-Sense off

because he's not doing nothing wrong he's just walking around as a normal guy. Do you mean? Yeah. I think the chameleon, like it's tough to put him any higher than B, I think, because a lot of the time the chameleon just

ends up B, like he, it always starts well, the chameleon. It never ends well. And the one bit I always remember is at some point in the 90s they had this lovely storyline with the chameleon going to like

Ravencroft and doing therapy and stuff but he escapes and he finds out, well he goes to Peter Parker's house I don't know if he finds out who Peter Parker is but he goes to Peter Parker's house and then Mary Jane beats him up with a baseball bat and you're like, okay, that's gonna be

tough to walk back from you know know. That was, by the way, for anybody who's watching this in 2026, that was back in the day, before Mary Jean had the powers of some sort of, you know, gooey super god like Venom. So she used to just be a woman, you know? Oh, there you go. There you go. Well, up next is another friend of the show. It's MacDonald Gargan of the Scorpion. I mean, like C-tier, probably, right? I don't know

I would possibly go be because I think his like you know origin story is pretty cool with being like a J Jonah Jameson creation basically like he funded the

like experiments to turn McDonald Gagan into the scorpion so and then I guess like the whole kind of becoming venom part of it as well yeah I was going to say he's like

he's a dark avenger he's done some stuff doesn't the venom thing seem like they were trying to make him a big deal though like that was a real like we're gonna push this guy against triple EH like that kind of deal like they're yeah yeah I will they were very non-committal to it I mean it definitely he never felt like he was as big a deal

as Eddie Brock but I mean he still was big enough that he was a featured part of Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers. Yeah, they had that symbiote for a good couple years as well. Quite a while. Yeah, he was Venom for like a long time. So like if you look at the tier list, technically, like the Scorpion McDonnell Gargan has a much better intro storyline than the Scorpion does. And he has, or then the Shocker does.

And he has had some really good like storylines. over the years, but quite like, um, the hobgoblin. Like, he's just fallen off in the last 15 years, 20 years. So I, I would say, let's stick him in a B for an eye. Yeah, let's do that. Okay. All right. Well, up next is another favorite of one of us.

It is Hydro Man. I mean, I think we all know where he's going to go. Not Esty. What do you mean? What do you mean? Hang on. I think you caught out for a little bit. I heard S here, for sure.

You haven't heard S here. Yeah, I don't know. I think. Okay. Here's the conversation we all need to have. Is Hydromand worse than the shocker? Oh. I mean.

I mean, like, realistically, yet probably, right? I don't know. I think, like, his power set should make him better than the shocker, but everything else about him is worse, so. I agree. But again, I think if you look at the way that he's portrayed by the writers, he has a cruel power set, and they never use it, except when they mean it's a bad man, but Saman,

He never doing it from women He's always like a joke character So like as much as I would absolutely love To put him an S tier Which is what he deserves Because he's Mead of Water, he's cool I feel like we're probably talking

I want to say C tier I don't want to D tier him yet No I would agree with that Okay All right I feel like D tier might come up later I'm going to say C tier for an eye.

All right, John, what do you think? See? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. See as well. He's cool. Everybody loves him. All right.

Now we have a guy who showed up recently in Spider-Man brand new day. It's Tombstone. I personally would say B-tier. Mm-hmm. I would say B-tier. I would agree with that. I think I originally would have, you know, said C-tier, like, given a few. years ago but I think

they've done some interesting things with him in the comics he's obviously been like utilized in the Spiderverse movies as well so I think like they've done some good work recently to kind of

make Tombstone a bigger deal again and make him feel like more of a threat so yeah I'm more than happy with him being B tier I think that's totally fair honestly I agree with that. Fair enough.

So up next, we have Venom, Eddie Brock. See, this is tricky because a lot of people, I would say, would put him an S-tier. But for me, because of, I don't know if you guys know this, but I have a couple of issues with the symbiotes. So I've been keeping on the down low. Honestly, like, I would put venom in A tier. I would put him ahead of Hobgoblin, but I would put

Batman 8 tier person I feel like while he started off as a really good Spider-Man villain I think if you look at him now

that he's a shadow what he used to be he's like and not just now but like the last 20 years ish maybe longer than that

he's just not been a really cool interesting viable Spider-Man villain at all I would say he's still pretty popular

and still pretty valid so I would say a tier I don't think I can put him an ass tier. Yeah. I'm kind of lean in the same way as well. Interesting.

Because like those 90s comics when they came out and like Venom was introduced and everything, he was great. And it felt so fresh and new and like a genuine threat to Spider-Man. But like Dylan said, like the last 20 years or so, it's, it's. It's going a different direction. He's getting a symbion suit back in October, I think. So he might have an opportunity to win you back over.

Yeah, but who cares, right? Like, he's already given the symbiote up to McDonald's Gargan and then some fucking guy and then that criminal, and then Plash Thompson and then Murray Jane. So it's hard to take venom too seriously, whatever. That's the chain of command. You know what I mean? All right.

And plus he hasn't really did. Spider-Man villain in ages as well. Huh? He hasn't really been a Spider-Man villain in ages as well, because he's just, he's been pushed into, like, being a good guy. All the cosmic shit as well. Like, he's not really fighting Spider-Man.

He's just, like, doing something else. Yeah. You know? You could bump him down to be. I think, I think it's perfectly. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, up next, we have Mysterio. Master of illusion.

I would say A tier as well. Yeah. I'm kind of... I think... Sorry to cut you off, John. I think it's either A tier or like a high B tier because I would see Mysterio chameleon is very similar,

and that they're very tricksy, they're very kind of street level. They're very fun in what they do, but once they get to find out, that's the end of the game for them. So I would say either a low A or a high B. Yeah, I think I agree, though, because I think he's, he's probably better than chameleon, more of a threat than chameleon as well.

Yeah. So I would say A is probably fair, to be fun, to be honest. Okay. We could put him like low A for an eye and then. Yeah, what we can do is we're going going through these pretty quick because there's not a lot of debate between the two of you. We can go through and organize the. folks into proper order if we have time what i like it with this is me and john i'll be in spider-man

like the fans are very clearly like on the same page and cori's just like oh i see like i knew i was not going to be part of this one but you can be you can like tell us what you think about these guys what do you think about how do you know i mean i just know of the like i said i'm not a big spider-man reader so my knowledge of them is the 90s animated series which is why certain characters are on this list that may not be on other people's list. I was going to say, there's definitely a couple of people on this list that I'm like, that's an interesting choice. Yep.

That's how to I make the list. All right. Well, like, from what you know about Spider-Man villains, if you looked at that list, the way we have it now, which I think is pretty accurate. What would you agree with this so far? I mean, I'm not seeing anything that seems out of the ordinary. I mean, there's nothing here that's like surprisingly stunning. I'm surprised that Hyderman is.

a C and not a D, but, you know, that's... Hey. Either here or there. You better watch your wife, kids. You watch the TV show. He was great in that. He was in two episodes. He was in more than that, wasn't he?

I think he was only in two. There was his introduction episode, and there was the episode where there was, like, the clone of Mary Jane that was a water person. Right. Wasn't he integral in that? Really important. Well, I mean, it was two episodes, though.

That's what I'm saying. It was an important episode. Anyway, let's get back. to our list and up next we have a character who's sort of infamous for maybe some of the wrong reasons it's the jackal this is tough because

it's probably going to be the same being as me once again because the jackal like historically has been an incredibly influential villain on what's going on with Spider-Man and his history

so realistically he should be like pretty high up, but also like as a villain, just like as a guy, he's just, when you think about it, you look at the jackal, he's like, he's done all this stuff, he's like influential and a lot of stuff that Spider-Man is, it is Spider-Man's history, but then you look at the jackal and he's just like some fucking college professor who's dressed up as a jackal. And also, that's not what jackals look like. That's not what jackal is. So I think that, I mean, later on,

Ron, they implicated it that he did, like, do some sort of, like, surgical um, experimentations on himself to make him stronger and to be actually of Jackal and not Miles Warren. Yeah, they've been really vague about that, though.

Like, there's, there's not, like, a strict continuity about whether it's a costume or if he's mutated himself or what, so. And a lot of that stuff, unfortunately, during the clone saga has been so vague and so retconned and so like what's going on but like because of the impact he's had on Spider-Man he should be pretty high

but I feel like we're probably going to say somewhere in B-tier because what do you think? Like it's either B-tier or like a low A I know I don't want to put him in A tier because even though

even though he has had like so many significant storylines and being like such a major thorn in Peter Parker's side over the years. I just don't like the character. And like when the clones show up as well, I just, I'm not particularly fussed about all that stuff. Okay. But it is R2.

Well, here's the thing. I actually am a fan of the character. And whenever they did, I think it was Spider Island. I really liked the way he was written in that that was a lot of fun because he did he had this kind of like deranged kind of tone to him

but it's it's tough man the jackals one of those things were like if you bring it back the gimmick is clones right that's it yeah and I think that his peak was in the 90s and they muddled that up significantly so I would say

like impact-wise what he did with Spider-Man you're probably talking like a high B I don't know if he can put him in A man Okay I think we'll stick with B Yeah I think B is fair

I think he's definitely had He's definitely had a McDonald Gargan Yeah I'll say that We have the time We'll sort through the list And you put them in order You feel as appropriate

Okay All right So up next though We have our second hobgoblin Where actually I don't really know where he falls in the chain of command of hobgoblins, but is Jason McIndale. Okay.

So you picked, this is what I was confused about because this appears to be a picture of Dima Goblin. Yeah, yeah. No. Doesn't Dima Goblin have a black hood? No. Dima Goblin was a black hood. Dima Goblin has a guy.

When I looked up Jason McIndale, Hobgoblin, this was one of the first images that came up. So, Jason McIndale was the hobgoblin that looks very similar to Roblob. Carter Kingsley. Yes. And he, like, deal with the devil,

or we deal with a demon. Yeah. So this is the deal of the demon picture. Yes. Because I was trying to find something in the shade of the two. But then they separated Demogoblin and Hobgoblin.

So Demoglain became its own character that looked like that as well. So we, I think we're wondering, is that Demo Goblin as a separate entity? Or is that McIndale as a hobgoblin? Because later on, Macandale got a lot of,

of um cybernetic upgrades that made him look very different from the way everything i'm seeing regarding this image is that this is mackendale okay i mean that might happen it might happen but like the demon goblin looked exactly like that so um i think if you're talking about mackendale as the hobgoblin you're talking about a cheap imitation of the hobgoblin so you're probably talking either really low B or really high C. I would say high C. Yeah, I would say above the shocker. But I don't, I, it's, it was never taken that seriously.

No. Yeah, I think that's pretty fair. Fair enough. All right. Well, um, next though, we have the Sandman, Flint Marco. Yes. There is a guy. had a lot of potential

and was a lot of fun great for comics fun to draw but then he became a good guy and then he became a bad guy again and then he was kind of good and then they kind of mixed the waters I would say like a like a high

B because he's a very popular and recognizable Spider-Man villain but A he wasn't always a Spider-Man villain and B he hasn't always been around that much like a lot of these other guys have been

around and they keep turning up whereas the Sandman doesn't always turn up that often anymore I spent time as a fantastic four villain as well as part of the frightful for and like you say I think he was like a reserve member

of the Avengers at one point during his good period yeah who got him who got him did I get him? He might have I don't think he got him I'm going to say this. But anyway, that being said,

what area are you putting Sandman in? I would say B. Yeah, I would stick with B as well. Okay. All right, well, up next, we have Hammerhead. Okay. Like, personally, I fucking love Hammerhead. I think he's a great character.

He's so stupid. He's a guy that, like, got bonked on the head and then saw a poster for, like, 1930s gangster film and then just fought like that forever I'm like what the fuck what are you talking about

so I have a real soft spot for Hammerhead but I also have a very soft spot for Hyderman we saw how that worked out so like again if you're looking at the writers and the way they portray

the characters nobody writes Hammerhead really well like he's got to be C tier surely yeah I think that's fair as well like he's got a cool gimmick but he hasn't really

done anything that significant as a villain not to Spider-Man anyway he's never been a big deal for Spider-Man to take care of anyway he's never been shit right he's never been like oh Hammerhead door

but he's also never done anything like for example if we're talking about like the street level gangster kind of characters Tombstone would be a step ahead of Hammerhead. Yeah yeah that's fair. Okay

Up next we have the tarantula I mean this has gotta be our first D list surely possibly our only D list well actually maybe not

having a look at somebody else on that list might also make it the D list. I would have said low C because he had some sort of like credibility to him. He was like a villain in like South America. And then he came up to the United States. And he came back a couple of times. He's been a bit of like a thorn in the side for Spider-Man. I would have said I mean I'm not a million miles away. I would have said low C or D.

So I feel like, I don't give a shit enough about the Dracula to argue that he's better than D. So that's fine. Yeah. Okay. That's fine. Well, another character from another country, we have Craven the Hunter. This is also really interesting because Craven the Hunter is notorious for one storyline.

It's, it's... A great storyline, though. Great storyline, and it's one of the most famous... Spider-Man storylines, I would say, right? Outside of that, everything about the Craven Hunter is kind of muddled and not great. So obviously Craven's last hunt is fantastic. But when he started, when he arrived, he was just a fucking guy trying to shoot Spider-Man with Tranquilizer darts.

And then after Craven's Last Hunt, because I don't want to spoil things for a 40-year-old storyline. Raven's last hunt is supposed to be his last hunt because he shoots himself in the head. And since then, we have read stories where Craven has come back to life from voodoo or from like resurrection things, whatever. He's come back to life. He's like a haps bird or he's dead or he's not dead or whatever.

It's really diminished a lot of the Craven the hunter character. And I think that's done a disservice to him. I think because of that, like, if they stopped it at Craven's last time, it would be like an easy A tier. But I think because he's kept going and they just, like, ruined him, I would say you're talking like a B tier. What I don't like about Raven,

I mean, it's worth pointing out, he did stay dead for like 20 years after that storyline. but then they basically replaced him with, I think, two different sons who both looked exactly the same as him and had the same, like, voice and characteristics and everything. So it's just like, oh, okay. Do you what I love with that, like, quick, was that they brought, like, his first son in. I think it was a grim hunter, wasn't it? The first son was a grim hunter?

And then they killed him, like, really quickly. Like, well, what the fuck was the point? and then the second one had a longer inning and you're like, well this is great if you make the son of Craven the Hunter then you Craven the Hunter but then they killed him as well

and you're like what then what the point right? Yeah it's a shame so where are you leaning for Craven I think me I think I think I

could make an argument for A but I think he is probably fair considering, you know, like they had the big storyline to kill him off. They finally brought him back 20 years later. They haven't really done a whole lot with him. They, I think they basically, they basically killed him off again and replaced him with a clone of himself. Who was like, I don't know, it feels like he's just been watered down too many times to, like to really be an A tier list

Vivian. They've beasted him. Yeah. They beat him. Absolutely. I agree with John 100%. Like I think that like the potential to be A tier was definitely there. But they

the more they bring him back and like the more they kind of like muddy his waters like it's I would say it's a high B later on. But like it's a B. Okay. Yeah. Up next, his name doesn't start with B, it starts with C, it's Carnage. Not all the segues are good, okay?

Uh-oh. I mean, I want to put him in A as well with Venom. But again, I think of it, like, it's tough because Venom and Carnage both came in, and they were both immediately, like, a big deal. Both of them were like, this is, like, serious shit. You've got to pay attention to this. and I think now the time has passed

again same with Venom the last 20 years we haven't had a good Carnage storyline and that's a shame because the potential is still there at least Carnage hasn't shared his symbiote with as many people as Venom has but even then you're like well

at least that keeps Venom kind of relevant and like in comics I would say like a low A honestly and I know I'm very biased towards carnage and I would love to put him in C or an S here but I would say like a low A I would put him below venom and I think everybody would agree with that so yeah carnage is a it's a low A so we're gonna put carnage in a yeah you agree with that John I'm not gonna argue with that yeah because

I think like you say I think venom and carnage both have had the same sort of issue where they've kind of grown beyond the Spider-Man world. So while they may have started out as really significant Spider-Man villains, they kind of haven't been for a good while now. So, you know. What's fun about that, though, when you say there used to be very significant Spider-Man villains, they've now turned into very insignificant other people villains. That's interesting.

You know what I mean? Like, now, like, if they come up against, like, the Avengers or whatever, they're not that scared of them, but Spider-Man was because he's just one guy. That's an interesting tip. Yeah. We should write for Spider-Man. We should. Who do we talk to?

Who's the new editor-in-chief, Steve Wacker? Yes. What's his email? Yeah, there we go. I got some idea. We'll find out. All right, so up next we have our third goblin. This time, it is Harry Osborne, Green Glock.

I think that John will agree that Harry Osborne is at the very least the second most interesting green goblin. Yes. And I think that what they did with Harry Osborne as Green Goblin was great. Like really good, really solid. And it's important that they did that. Again, I feel like recently the waters have been a little muddy. but I think that original storyline again if you go with like same McCraven

if you look at that original storyline you're like that's a great what a wonderful storyline that was I'm going to say I don't know if this is controversial I'm going to say a tier like a low A I'm going to say a low A because I feel like it was

if you look at Spider-Man and his relationship to other people and his whole like like being his best friend being the successor to his arch enemy is a big storyline. Yeah.

That's huge. I would say like a, I would say A tier somewhere. I would put him like, I mean, I was leaning between A and B, but yeah, I kind of agree with what they didn't say. And like the fact that they have that history, uh, like personal history, Peter and Harry. And then just like the significance of like the. stuff that Harry would do as well.

Like he tried crashing the wedding between Peter and Mary Jane. He was the one responsible for, you know, I believe it was the comedian. Like he hired him to kind of create the robots which showed up on Peter's door, looking like his parents and did all that just to fuck with him from beyond the grave. It's like, yeah, Harry did some stuff. as a villain, which needs to be recognized. Yes, there was, there was a lot of fun stuff that he did,

and I feel like Nick Spencer tried to fix a lot of problems with the very messy Osborne timeline, including the fact that they brought Harry Osborne back after a brand new day for no reason.

So like, God bless me, tried to fix that. Because that was a real sticking point for me. I hated that they brought Harry Osborne back for no reason. You can't think of any other cunt that Peter Parker could talk to. It has to be

Harry Osborne. His death was one of those very significant comic book deaths, you know? I agree with John and that, like, you can, there's an argument for A or B tier, but I think that, like, he edges out of A tier. Yeah. Okay.

Up next, we have the Beatle. This is the most recent Beatle, who is, I believe, with the daughter of Tombstone. Tombstone. Okay. If this is the most recent Beetle, what has the most recent

beetle done other than hang out with Boomerang? I think she got into a relationship with Robbie Robertson's son, Randy. I'm not sure what that does to

make her a Spider-Man villain, but you know. Well, the S tier, right? Of the top. I mean, I think we're looking at the next

D tier. Okay. I think we're looking at DTier. I'll be honest to be, dude, when I first saw this list, I was like, we're not going to get any D tiers. And I've already know,

I know we're going to get at least one more. So. All right. Well, up next, we have the full. This is again a very early Spider-Man villain, a really fun Spider-Man villain. Because again, what I like about the vulture, kind of like Dr. Octopus, is he's a guy that has this technology, but he's just like an old weird dude.

You know what you mean? He's just an old weird dude. I really like that. There's something quaint about that, you know? I really like the vulture a lot. I love, in the 90s he did a storyline where he got young again and then

he lost it and he became an old man again which was at the time fucking stupid. Like what do you, how does that work? But it's like fun to read a comic. He had like his little vulture squad. I really like

the vulture a lot. Michael Keaton in the film. I am super tempted to put him an eight tier. I feel like the vulture as a villain is probably B tier. I was going to say I would not go as high as A as much as I like him.

I think looking at our B tier list as well I think he slots in with that group nicely. I was going to say if you look at the Sandman and you look at the vulture, you're like pretty level pegging. Pretty fair

enough. Up next we have Dr. Kurt Conner is the lizard. I'm kind of thinking B tier because again he's one of these ones who's got that like kind of personal connection with Peter which makes him

a more kind of impactful villain in a way but then you got like the whole Dr. Jack or Mr. Hyatt kind of deal with the Kurt Connors and lizard

personas um And yeah, like, I mean, at one point, didn't he eat his own son? I think he tried to. He did. He tried to. Right? I thought he did. And then they brought him back as a clone. Wow. Him and the wife, but. Everybody loves clones.

Where would John put the lizard? I'd say B tier, I think. I think he's above. shocker but he's definitely not as high as you know hobgoblin or Harry Osborne I feel like a

like a B tier is fair because he's still a very recognizable villain but he's never like that like upper escalon of like he's a real like even though he like has killed any people he's never felt like

he's gonna do like that much damage to you so I feel like B-tier, you know, but one track mine. Okay. You know. Put them into B-tier as well. So up next to you have,

Alistair Smyth. Ugh. I mean, D-T. So hang on, well, Alistair smith was the son of Spencer Smyth.

Yes. Preach of the spider slayers. Yeah. So Spenceer-Smyth. would have been DTR for sure. Uh-huh. Like 100%. But Alice is smite.

And again, Corey, you can really tell that you can watch at the show. Yep. Alice is smite over like so many other people. Yep. Despite the tarantula. Like, all right, those are... Well, Trachio wasn't in the cartoon. I just remembered him very visually.

Yeah. It's interesting, interesting choices. I feel like Alicea Smythe was a much bigger deal than his his father and there were definitely like storylines where he was a big deal

like he made the spider slayers that like didn't they kill um Martha Jameson yeah I was gonna say definitely I'm not sure if a name was Martha as well because I thought that was bad man

uh Kurt Conner's um wife was Martha Because it's also Batman and Superman's Mothers and wives or whatever the fuck. So Martha, they're big deal in America, Corey. You gotta sort that out. Yeah.

Well, I mean, the comics have done a pretty good job of killing off most of these Martyrs, though, so. Not as much an issue anymore. That is true. They kill all them. Fuck me. They get rid of the Marthas.

But also add more Marthas, you know. Mark can't just still with us. Right. Who? Is she? Martha can't. Yeah, she's still with us. Not yet.

Give a time. I'll kill her. She's no leady. You know? Um, so it's tough. It's done some good stuff, but like you can't realistically put him above C tier.

I think John was talking about D tier. I don't know, man. It's, I think the only way you could say he's a C tier is just because of the, you know, the fact he was all over the animated series and he was a big part of like, you know, being the kingpins number two for most of that run and then, yeah, being turned into like the monstrous version of himself as well.

Like, that's the... Honestly, that is the most significant thing that's ever happened to him as a character in any medium. I think that killing Jibison's... wife is a big deal. Where was the follow-up, though? Correct. Ah, you're right.

I mean, I don't give any shit about Smyth enough to argue that. I'm happy to put them in D-tier. Okay. We'll put them in D-tier. All right, up next, we have Electro. Where would you put Electro? It's like a solid B. Yeah, I'd say so.

It's like a fair B. No, a debate on Electro. just like a regular beat like he's good we all know him but like he's never like done nothing amazing but he's never been like that shite either like he's always been a bit of a threat so yeah fair you know so here's our last goblin on the list it's norman osborne's green goblin i mean no questions we can we can be around the bush all we want but it's gonna be yes tier it's gonna be 100% fair enough yeah Any comments you would like to make before we move on to our second to last?

I mean, for me, he is Spider-Man's, you know, worst enemy. But, I mean, I could see why an argument would be made for Dr. Octopus, but for me, it's always going to be Norman Osborne. Yeah, but no, the friends. Yeah, but, I mean, when he turns here again, it's just going to make it even more of a betrayal. and going to sting that much more. What a noise made with that is we have had 70 years of Norman Osborne

being the worst person to Peter Parker and then Norman Osborne gets shot by the reverse sin-eater and then Peter Parker's like, oh, don't worry about it. All that shit you did to me? We're fine. Don't worry about it. I mean, he didn't really say that.

It took a lot of Norman kind of breaking down barriers and trying to convince Peter that he changed and stuff like that. Like Peter didn't just go, oh yeah, let's be friends now. No way with a guy that orchestrated a guy that cloned you and then

pretended to be you for five years and then also kidnapped your aunt for some reason and then made a woman to have surgery to make her look like her aunt and then she dies so that you think that your aunt died and then your clone. And then

you're a clone. made you think that he was the real you and then that guy who did all of this killed your phone in front of you I don't think at any point you'd be like yeah that's all right

I forget them I don't know I don't disagree with that at all but I mean like I say I'm not excusing the the twist and turns of the storyline I don't necessarily agree with it but

I will kind of defend it in that Peter, I didn't just get bowled over. There was like even you know, like a big part of it was just going to work for OzCorp to kind of keep an eye on

Norman and make sure he wasn't up to no good again. Uh-huh. So it was, there's been a level of distrust there all throughout this, you know, FaceTun. Norman, they have my card. It said, I'm sorry, I killed your girlfriend.

I'm like, that's nice. Thank you. He didn't have to do that. What a sweet gift that was. I don't know. I, like, listen, realistically, of course, S here, right? I'm just saying, once again, the last couple of years have kind of, like, eroded that character. And it's a shame because there's loads of stuff you can do with that character.

All right. Well, up next, our penultimate pick, the rhino. Where would you place the rhino? I love the rhino. But also, for being realistic with this, the rhino was just a guy in a rhino suit that you hire to hurt people or to rob a bank. He's had a couple of, like, notable storylines, you know, Flores or Rino or when his girlfriend died, whatever. Like, they've tried to do stuff with him, but, like, realistically, he's just, like, a guy you hire, you know? So I honestly, I would love to put him a B tier, but I think he's a C tier.

I mean, I was leaning towards B-Tier, just because I think he falls into like a similar category to like Scorpion, Sandman, Vulture and Electro. Like he's, he's one of those perennial villains who maybe isn't going to be like, you know, the master planner, you know, trying to ruin Spider-Man's Spider-Man's life or whatever but uh you're more interested in like robin the bank or whatever but you know he's got a significant sort of power set and uh like just a cool gimmick as well and that kind of you know pushes him up there for me right but if you want to go see tier i'm like i'm not going to dispute well that's my thing was like if you think of what you just said he's a guy that robs a bank, but a significant part set, that's the same as

the shocker or Hydraman. Isn't it? Well, it's the same as Scorpion or Vulture or Sandman as well, so... Spokin has a much bigger, like, a back story. He's got a much bigger history with Spider-Man, and you feel like the Vulture probably

has a bigger history with Spider-Man. The Shocker and Hydromand are just kind of, like, guys that they hire beat up Spider-Man. And I feel like Rino is not a million miles away from that. Yeah, okay, I'll concede that. I mean, that's the thing. Again,

we're on the same page in that I wouldn't be surprised if he was like a low B. For me, personally, I would say like a decent C, but like I'm not going to quibble either way. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we're replacing him officially? It's up to Corey.

C. Okay. All right. I think it's fair. And finally, we have the Kingpin. I love the kingpin and I really think he's a great character, but we all know that he has spent a lot of time being a Daredevil villain, more so than a Spider-Man villain, even though they're both in New York,

like it feels like Daredevil gets the brunt of it more than Spider-Man does. I would love to put him in A-tier. I would say B-tier is fair, but I would also say A-tier is fair. I mean, I was going to go for a tier. Just because, you know, when he was first introduced in the Spider-Man books, he was a pretty big deal for a long time as, like, the guy basically pulling a lot of strings and stuff in the criminal underworld. And then, like you say, obviously he has spent a significant amount of time

being Daredevil's chief villain. but he still had time for Spider-Man and like trying to fuck up his world as well like when he hired someone to kill at May and that led to the whole

one more day's storyline yeah that fucking debacle but you know you can see why the Kingpin would have a lot of stuff to stay up at Spider-Man as well again the very low level or street level should say street level kind of criminal

but a really brilliant one so again if you were looking at like the kingpin he's definitely like the other street level criminals he's above tombstone for sure so yeah yeah definitely I think A tier is totally fine

mm-hmm okay all right well real quick well wait Corey Corey Corey Corey based on your knowledge of Spider-Man Yeah. What do you think about this tier list?

I mean, it checks out. I mean, I'm still kind of surprised that we're taking points off of Venom, considering like Venom is considered like a major antagonist, even if he has done a face turn. Because what you said about Venom, you could apply it to Norman Osborne as well. I mean. Right.

But if you look at the timeline, the timeline of Venom having that has been way longer than Norman Osborne. Sure. Like, I think the impact that Norman Osborne. Osborne has had on Spider-Man is significantly bigger than the impact Venom has had. And the time that Venom has been fucking around is longer than the time that Norman Osborne has. Yeah. So ultimately, like you said, I don't know much about Spider-Man stuff as you guys do, obviously,

considering, you know, I added Alistair smite to the list. And apparently that was a, that was a choice. But again, I watched the cartoon from the 90s, and that fucker was all over the place. there are so many different spider slayers they've been stacked up on top of each other you're lucky you put those robots on there I'm tempted to bump him up the seat here after Corey talking about

oh shut up maybe we should make him a tier yeah there you go anyway that being said to do a quick recap in our D tier we have tarantula the beetle and Alistair smite in our seat here we have the shot Hidreman, the Jason McIndale Hobgoblin, Hammerhead, and the Rhino.

In B tier, we have the Chamele, Scorpion, Tombstone, the Jackal, the Sandman, Craven, the Hunter, the vulture, the lizard, and Electro. In our A tier, we have the Roderick Kingsley Hobgoblin, Eddie Brock's Venom, Mysterio, Carnage, Harry Osborne Green Goblin, and the Kingpin. In an S-tier, we have Dr. Octopus and the Norman Osborne Green Goblin. Is there anything here that you would change? just in terms of like tears yeah anyone you'd move you would move up or down i don't think so man i think we nilled it yeah no for me i'm really happy with the list i think we fucking kneeled it

like i'm kind of like me and john i had a couple of issues on the show so that when it comes to spider-man we know what we're talking about yeah we're on the same page we're on the same page do you think we have time to go through and sort each row by importance We could probably do it really quickly. Okay. So let's start from the bottom up. Who is the worst D-list person and who is the best D-list person? It's probably this trantula, right?

I would say the B or the B. Beetle, Trachula, and then Smyth. So we would go the best left or right. Yes. All right. So we're finding this row. So we go Smyth, Tarantula, Beetle as the worst. Yep.

C tier, same question, who's the best and worst and we'll sort it from there. I think if you look at who had the most impact out of those guys. Would it be McIndale? I think the Rhino. No, I was going to say rhino as well. McIndale, he was just too much of a loser.

He was the big. McIdle and Shocker of the same level. You know what? Hang on, wait, wait. Is that? What about that? Do you find with this? The worst being hammerhead, the best being rhino, and we go rhino, shocker, Hydromand, McIndale, Hammerhead?

Would you put Hammerhead in front of McIndale? Probably. Actually, you probably put McIndale, or sorry, you probably put Hammerhead in front of Hyderman, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, let's do that. So the DEC list is now Rhino, Shocker, Hammerhead, Hydromen, and the McIndale Cobblin. Yep. All right, B, tier.

This one might take the longest to get through here. because it's the most people, but who's the best and the worst, the B tier? Man. That's tough. This one's, this one's, this was, this was, this was, this was top for the other ones. Yeah, let's go with just best and worst, and then we'll, we'll let it fall from, from there. Like, who's the least impactful B tier person you could think of? Yeah.

Maybe the least would be chameleon. Maybe. Pretty low. So let's put, and then, let's just move him down here for now and see what that changed, if that changed anything for you. And then Tombstone. Stone. Yeah. Okay, so we go like that.

Then I want to put Kirk Connors. Okay. Because he doesn't do anything. Yeah. Okay. You know? I'd say maybe Vulture next.

Okay. Okay. Then Jackal, maybe. Interesting. I would say Jackal is more important than Electro. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Maybe leave the rest in there. Or maybe put Sandman in front of McDonald. Yeah. Okay. Yeah? And I would put Craven ahead of...

Okay. So put Craven in front and Saman, yeah? Yeah, yeah. Craven and then Sandman. Okay. Yeah. So B-tier is now Craven, the Sandman, Scorpion, the Jackal, Electro, the Vulture, the Lizard, Tombstone, and Camelia. That's pretty good

Okay, A tier, same question, who's the Most Impactful and Least Impactful? I mean, probably Bannon first Yeah In terms of what he's done, probably Venom And then maybe, I want to say Kingpin I was going to say Kingpin as well, yeah Yeah, I would say Kingpin

Now from there, I I'm torn, I think Bob Goblin is fair there I would put carnage in front of Mysterio Yeah I mean I would Put Harry above carnage as well To be honest

I don't I don't yeah I can believe that I can see that Because I think that what he did in the time he did it in It was very impactful So yeah I think that's fair Okay And then I think we know what AST here is

So real quick, though, just to recap A tier, we go Venom, Kingpin, Roderick Kingsley, Hobgoblin, Harry Osborne, Green Goblin, Carnage, and Mysterio, and then S-tier, we just have a choice between the two. We swap them, obviously. Okay. Yeah. So S-tier, we would have Green Goblin, Norman, and then Dr. Octopus. So based on our tier, the most important is Green Goblin, the least important is the fourth, is the last beetle. I honestly think we've nailed that.

Yeah. are we fucking nailed that this is the happiest I've ever been with any of our TSS this might be the best show we've ever done I'm super pleased with that this is what happens

to get two Spider-Man fans in the one room like yeah we can do this no problem and then we did it and there was no issue well I was just saying you could have picked somebody else

and you remember to try to that I'm like oh thanks for making this job easy yeah I was to God who else could I have picked fucking beetle like, again,

who would I have picked? There are Daphne people are going to pick. Like, who? We talked, well,

we talked about Jack Aladdin. Yeah, but I also felt like that was we had too many people throwing pumpkin bombs at that point. I could have put it

in a bunch of other hob goblins there too. We talked about like five. I would say that, I was trying to limit the number of goblins. I would say that Jackalandran is a bigger deal

than the beetle. Or boomerang. would be up there. Oh, yeah, Boomerang would have been... It would have been... It would have been... Over the Beetle 100%. You have taken Boomerang over the Beetle?

Okay. Because of... That's funny enough. That's the opposite of what we've been talking about. Like, we've been talking about old storylines and the new ones kind of ruin the character. The newer storylines have made boomerang like a viable villain. He's got a symbion now, so...

Yeah, I've heard that. And it's true. What a surprise. It would be happy with that. But, like... you could have had Morbius in there. I thought about Morbius, but here's the thing is, like, I already felt like I was pushing it with having Venom on there,

and, um, because I was like, because Kirk Connors is also not really a villain. And I thought like, you know, if I put, I was also like going, should I put Black Cat on there? Because she was a villain at one point. I would have said, Berman. You see, I've never seen vermin.

You've just, you've talked to me about Berman before. I've never seen a storyline or anything with him. we've never well no yes you have he was in Craven's last hunt oh okay okay yeah I just sorry I was thinking about vermin in Craven's last hunt I was kind of busy

thinking about Craven well he was well part of why he's in part of why he's in Craven last hunt is because Spider-Man had a really hard time beating uh Berman by himself so the idea is Craven puts Berman against Spider-Man because he knows

that Spider-Man has a really big fear of Berman. Like that's such a cool. And again, Berman is such a very low street level character. He's not, like he doesn't shoot the shit out of his

fists or whatever. He's just a rat boy. But he can like fight and he has a desperation to him. I'm like, that's a fun trait to him. I really like that. And again, I would imagine

they probably fuck Berman up now where he's just like, oh, he's the son. You know, he's a new washer. I don't fucking know, you know, but. Yeah. He used to be

like a really like serious like important character and I feel like they probably I mean I wouldn't say important I mean Right not important But like if Spider-mom was going up against the shocker

He would be like I could beat this guy No problem But if Spider-Man against Vermont He's like I have to like Stop and think about this There's a fear to that That I find was really fun

And interesting Yeah You know that I would have put a gap ahead of the beetle I also knew I had to put some low tier people in there for the simple fact that we do need some D list people that's what I mean like staff I was like looking at superior

the superior foes of Spider-Man and I was like Beatles is a woman we don't have any women on the list so far tarantula because I remember I had a tarantula trading card when I had like the Spider-Man trading cards but yeah that's sort of my rationale behind you because I also could have put like speed demon or whatever the fuck that guy's name was from superior foes. I think speed demon. Anyway, yeah.

So that was the tier list. You guys absolutely knocked it out of the park and in full agreement with one another. I feel like if you were in person, you would have shaken hands over it. Would be hogging each other. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm glad that you guys are in such great spirits talking about Spider-Man, because we're going to be doing it a lot more over the next few weeks as we begin our month of goblins.

we're going to talk about a goblin every week or goblins. This is going to be the happiest you're going to see us for the next four weeks. There you go. Well, until we get to then, I'm sure. I think we're going to see John really happy for one of the episodes. That one might, thinking about that one, that could be a two-parter. He's done a lot. I don't know if you could squeeze, if you wanted to try to split that one into two, we could do it.

But he's done a lot. We'll work about it. Anyway, we'll figure it up. That will, we'll talk about that later. Anyway, John, there have been a lot of Spider-Man movies, and you watched a lot of movies. What's the most recent movie that you have watched, and what does your movie count for the year? So, the most recent movie I watched was my 903 movie of the year. You jumped up?

Yeah. Wow, that's a big leap. Did you stun him in the silence? I guess. Did your microphone break as we were trying to close the show again? Wow. So I broke John. I can pretend to be John.

What's this? Oh, the last film I saw was Novi and Juliet. Five stars. Really good. Nobody died. If you want to see the most recent movie that, or the review of the most recent movie that John watched, find out for yourself by going to the link below for letterbox.com slash big John Bowsky,

all one word. All one word. All one word. And Dylan, what have you been getting up to before your microphone breaks? Wow. I shouldn't have attempted to be it like that. Microphones been cut on all night. Right.

You just like passed it on. I have a radio show where I play a lot of cool music that I like. I find music I like during the week and I play it on the show. It's on Monday nights from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock UK time. It's available on Bounceditraloradio.com. The link is in the description. So if you click that link at 9 o'clock on Monday night's UK time, you'll be able to listen to my show.

You'll know it's my show because I will be talking bullshit in between all the songs. As Corey can attest to. So check it out if you like that kind of stuff. Sometimes at Extreme, where I draw pictures on Twitch at Spooky LaRue. And then I animate those shows and then put them on YouTube at Team Crows and I. And then on TikTok, add Team Crow Studios. And I think that's it. All right.

As for me, I have new number ones, which is every Sunday on our very YouTube channel. So check that out. It is usually about six, seven minutes long where I just find a new number one from a third-party publisher and let you know if it's worth picking up. Additionally, I have made the show, a large old cup, which is a sort of stream of conscious spoken word podcast. And finally, there is my new podcast, which I do. Ideally, we'll have a couple episodes out by now by the time you're watching this called Opal City Archives, which is a retrospective series on Starman, the James Robinson, Tony Harris Comics from DC in the 90s. But until then, we'll see you guys next week where we're going to talk about some goblins. See you later.

Good night. Bye-bye. Wow. This is like the third episode in the row. It's the second time that's happened to John.