The Viall Files - E1023 - Shawn Johnson & Andrew East, RHOC, Wife Swap, Married At First Sight & Taylor Frankie Paul’s New Men

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

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and a free A-G-1 travel packs. When you first subscribe, that's drinkag1.com slash V-I-A-L-L. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another. exciting episode of the Valfa's reality recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my beautiful wife. We have the household in studio in L.A. And boy, we are excited for today's episode. We got some great guests. Sean Johnson, Olympic gold medalist and her husband, Andrew East, are with us today. Excited to talk with them. They obviously are on special forces as a couple.

Just one of the dynamic duos on special forces this year. They're a fun couple. I've gotten to know them a little bit and we are excited for them to join us also taylor frankie paul's it's not her actual man it's like her suspected men is this bachelor keep taking my ideas that i'm giving them i think this happens every year and it's like somebody who's like well usually they they announce like the actual cast no no but they do this how many men did they release there's like 26 wait natalie were you telling me that i should make something earlier yes lay i was telling you that i some all this idea somewhere, I'm sure, but I made a email account for River and I, like, gave it to friends and family so that they could, and then I wrote her one last night, that people

can send her, like, letters, attach photos, and, like, one day she'll be old enough to her she can, like, go through her own email address and, like, read what was going on in her life October 26, 2025, what was going on on her fourth birthday, like, what the vibe was. Because, like, I made a book for her first year of life. And then I feel like after the first year you're just like in crazy toddler world and you're like, oh my God, I don't have time to like sit down and write you a story. So I was like I made her his email account and I sent it to like my family group message. I send it to my best friends. And I'm like if you ever think about her, if you ever have time, like you should write her a letter. And you should do it for Louie.

It would be so sweet. Wait, I'm definitely going to do that because I feel like people like wrote him cards for like his birthday or whatever. And I'm just not someone who like is good at holding on of things. Like I put them all in like a box, but like that sounds so much easier to keep track of. Natalie told me yesterday that I need to write River too. And then I was like, I'll write her on her birthdays. But after last night, I'm going to write her a letter and tell her that she was, I'm really mad at her. No, that's not fair. Listen. Honestly, you should. That would be good one. You really, you were a real P-I-T-C-H last night. Listen, I randomly on Saturday, I randomly was like, you know what? I had. I had a real. I

think I should take her binkie away. And she only has ever used it for nap times. Like even when she started having a binkie, like I was very strict on like, I'm like, we're not just going to be sucking on this throughout the day. Like only when you are going to sleep. Because she, like, I would tell if she had it in her mouth, she just like would not speak. And so I felt like, oh my God, you are going to be mute. So anyways, I can tell she's she has a little pacifier mouth, which is, you know, so cute, whatever. But I'm like, you know, maybe it's time. I just go ahead and get ahead of the curve. And so randomly on Saturday, I was like, let me just see if she goes down easy on her nap without her binky. And honestly, she went down great. So then I was

like, okay, let's try nighttime. And yesterday was our second night doing it. Nighttime's a little bit harder. She definitely falls asleep. But then she is just like, she wakes up in the middle of the night and she like cannot soothe herself because usually she would wake up and like find a binky and put it in her mouth and fall back asleep. But now she's like up. And Nick went up to get her at what four? Four? Yeah. okay and she just doesn't I'm like in zombie world right now yeah and then you know she points

like first I'll try to soothe her if she's like kind of in a daze I can put her back to bed if she's like up up she like wants us she wants me to take her down to the bed so I picked her up and tried to soothe her and she's like no no no no

no and so then I bring her down but then we bring her in bed and now she like she can't get settled because she doesn't have her bink So she's this tossing and turning and kicking. And like, she's kind of ready to get up. So then I brought her back upstairs and I'm rocking with her and I'm holding her.

And I'm, she kind of fell back to sleep for a hot second, but she's never really getting settled. And then I put her down and I went back in the chair and I was like, shh, shh, shh. And then she's standing. And then she's like, up, da, up, da. And it was just like, that was an hour and a half of that. So I'm going to email her. Did she win the battle? no no at a certain point you just accept your fate and it's just like I'm up thank god Nellie's mom's in town and she's

helping us out right now so yeah this is honestly a great time to do this because I'm like my mom's in town so if river's up at like 545 6 a.m i just text my mom being like she's up please come get her and then I'll sleep for another hour oh that's so nice I know but it's uh it's scary scary endeavor that we're on here Natalie you're going to be paying for that like premium Google Drive subscription at like age five for her. She's going to have hundreds of emails to read. Yeah, like let's not get carried away here. Because like if she reads like me, she's going to be like, oh my God.

I think she would love it. If I could go back and read emails that like my grandparents who are no longer with us sent me or like my mom's like best friend who like was like an aunt to me but maybe they lost touch, I don't know. Honestly, AI will allow it to put it like in our voices so they can just like read it to her. Oh, that's true. Like an audio book. That'd be cool.

Natalie, you have to be careful with the attachments because if it fills up like the storage, it'll start deleting or stop accepting things. Okay, geek squad, Justin. Like, what is this? Just giving you helpful. Just giving you pointers for the future. Okay, but I feel like they're all going to be lost in the cloud. Like, I'm going to be like, oh, I screenshot of this photo of you in your crib at 20 months old.

Let me try to find it. Like, what? Now I just sent it to her in an email. I was like, this is you right when I laid you down in your crib, second night. no binks, and I gave her the whole synopsis. What was the first email, I assume, from you? It was for me, and it was me last night telling her how I took her binky away, and she's sleeping in her crew without her minky, and I attached a photo because I gave her, like, a little

rubber horse, like a little farm animal rubber horse toy, because I felt like she just needed something to either hold or just, like, put in her mouth, and she kind of, like, chewed on it for a second, and then she fell asleep, like, holding it, and so I attached the photo of her holding the horse. That's really cute Oh, I love this idea I'm going to do it Thank you for the idea

Well, Geek Squad Justin has another suggestion for the people that live in L.A. Or a city. Any city. I don't use chat GPT except when I'm parking in L.A. And we all know that L.A. signs there's like 10 different like blocks

of lettering on them. Yeah, no, that makes any sense. And you go from top to bottom and every single sign negates the other one. So you don't understand it. But what I do now is I screen, like I take a picture of it. And then I message chat

GBT and I go, can I park here? And it tells you yes or not? That is smart. It works. It helps you because they ticket you out here and it's expensive. Do you use it for other things like that with questions that you have about life? No, because it's not that serious. Just when it comes to parking, I'm like, this is too much brainpower to understand five signs. I use it all the time. Whenever like my plant doesn't look so hot, I'll take a picture of it and put it into chat GBT and be like, what's wrong with my plant? Does it usually just respond with like, need some water? No, actually, I had, like, tiny bugs that didn't look like bugs. They don't look like bugs.

They're just, like, little brown things on the leaves, and they don't crawl around. And I was like, these are bugs. And I literally took my plant. I put it outside, and I was like, and I, like, scraped off each one. And I saved, I did save the plant, thanks to chat. I'm going to be honest. That's why I don't do house plants. You're just, like, giving things to grow and build a home.

and I committed to the indoor plant thing before I had a kid and now I'm just like oh my god I have to water these like I have so many and I have to go through it every week and I'm just like oh my god we had a plant wall oh my god outside yeah and uh yeah you guys did for like a while and yeah two weeks later I was like fuck this shit we replaced with candles so many things to water and then it became like a bug infestation because everything's like wet and moist and there's bugs flying around like living in the It's just to attract a mosquito. It was awful. But it also brings you more oxygen in the house. Well, it was outside. Well, Nick takes that up anyways. I love a house plant. It really makes me in my apartment that I really try with three other roommates to not look like a college dorm room.

Yeah, the plant just fixes that problem for sure. Plants really do like pull a lot of the way. It elevates. Yeah, it does elevate. We do look like we're not in college. We do look like we're just in our 20s. You look like you can keep something alive? I think if you have more than one roommate,

it's hard not to look like college. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing our best. Hey, listen, it's all you can do, Mary. Yeah. Wait, Mary, how was your party? Oh, guys, my party rocked.

Justin can attest. Justin was there. I saw your costume. Yeah. So good. Lisa Rina. Sexy Lisa Rina. Sexy Lisa Rina.

Is it you and your Busty that were Harry Hamlin? Harry Hamlin. I don't, yeah, I don't have a picture of her as Harry Hamlin, but I will find one eventually. but I will. Y'all didn't take one together, a photo together? We did.

I just, I texted everyone and asked for pictures and no one has sent them to me yet, which is rude. It was a Vile Files reunion though.

Everybody was there. Everyone was there. I wasn't there. Leah wasn't there. Sierra wasn't there. Allison wasn't there. Derek wasn't there. But everyone else was there.

Okay. So half the team wasn't there. But the homies that showed up, showed up. Oh my God. Yay. Yeah.

Is that you, Mary? You know? Yeah. Okay. I did walk and I told Marys I said put the cleavage away. I'm sorry. He did say put the girls away.

Put it away. But an amazing thing happened to me that I think you guys would find funny. So I put on press on nails, right? So I have my little nails on. I have like my full beat, lashes, everything. I'm feeling gorgelina. Okay? And I go to open up a Topo Chico Seltzer.

And I can't because I have nails. And then I was like, and then immediately, my boy roommate and my roommate's boyfriend were both like oh we can get that for you and I was like the power of woman this is what the power of a woman for all the people out there that don't think I'm a real

girl I was the other night and it rocks give her some nails and some cleavage and she's a real girl well speaking of real girl we have Brittany Bateman on this week for an amazing episode of going deeper for all you housewife fans out there This is an episode you do not want to miss.

It's really good. Even if you're not a housewife fan. I mean, this is a great episode. She's incredible. She's a fascinating woman. And we really get behind the curtain of who is Britney Bateman. And it is enjoyable. Couple new shows before we get to our guest, Sean Johnson and Andrew East.

I know we're going to obviously talk about real housewives of OC later this episode. But housewife swap, whatever. Housewife, wipes. No, wife swap Housewives Edition. I love it. I love it. It's so good. It's so good.

It's so good. It's awesome. I teared up. It's great. Angie, Kantanava was our premier housewife. And what honestly, what better woman to open up.

I know it was supposed to be windy at first, but like Angie really, she just welcomed you with open arms, you know? That poop bag, that was crazy. That was crazy. She took it like a champ. We'll get into that later.

Also, Mary Debt first sight is out streaming on Peacock, and I took a peek. And if you thought love is blind was wild, These people are getting literally married. I have questions. I mean, the history of the show, they have 11 successful couples still together. 13 babies.

13 babies. That's a better track record than The Bachelor. Well, it does seem like... It is 19 seasons. I don't care. Bachelor has 19 seasons, more than 19 seasons. I mean, you combine The Bachelorette and The Bachelor. They're going on 40 plus seasons.

Yeah, it's like the voice of reality TV. I'm just saying five couples per season. I don't give a fuck. Okay. Sierra, they're getting married the first time they ever see each other. They know each other for five minutes before they say I do. By the way, my name is Natalie. I just feel it's hard for me.

This one's hard for me. I'm sorry. But they're set up by what a match professional matchmakers. Professional matchmakers? No, they have like a psychologist, a marriage counselor. It seems legit. Some real smarty pants. Yeah, I think that's what other.

I was like, oh, it's crazy that I did. I have a hard time suspending my disbelief for these kinds of shows. But married at first sight once, they were like, yeah, we're professional matchmakers and we take this really seriously and we want them to succeed. I'm like, oh, sold. Anyways, we got some fun stuff to get into, including some of the men who will allegedly be fighting for the heart of our queen, Taylor, Frankie Paul. But first, we have Sean Johnson Olympic gold medalist and her husband, Andrew East,

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Thanks for having you. I'm so excited for this. I'm so excited. I've known each other. I've known you, what, seven years now? Has it been that long? Bohemian Rhapsody. That's, oh my God.

I forgot about that. Yeah. Where he rode the bus all around L.A. I do remember that. And I use the tomb, no, very loosely. Okay. Use that term loosely. But we found ourselves in West Hollywood at like this queen concert.

Yeah, it was like some kind of act like social media brand deal in my solo days because this, you know, this is when. There were a lot of days where I was like, what's the point? I got to stop showing it. Like, it's weird, like, being the former bachelor, and I felt like I had two choices. Yeah. Just look like a dirty whore showing up with a new girl every event, you know, because I wasn't in any committed relationship or just look desperately alone.

And I chose the latter. Yeah. So, yeah. And thank God you did, honestly. And then my introverted awkward self, you know, I'd go to these events. And I'd just be like, oh, no. Here we go. Yeah, if I remember meeting you there.

Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. Anyway, now we are. Here we are. He told me that you invited him to work out. Mm-hmm. And he was going to say no.

And then we started watching our friend Victoria. Fuller was over. And she was like, I didn't know you're in Dancing with the Star. So we pulled up his, like, little quick every dance. And he was in amazing shape. And we were like, what the hell? Like, tell Andrew, never mind. I'm on my way.

And then I was like, I'm going to show you more. I went back to the old Instagram And that really was like a Fuck, I really need to get back I really like Wait, what season were you on? 17, 2017 Who was your partner?

Peter Murgat Troy Oh wow Rashad Jennings won The opposite of Thailand Oh, Nancy. Nancy Kerr again She was on my season We got eliminated together

She was a sweetheart Who else was on? They eliminated two at the same time It was a double elimination that week Wow Were you on it? Yeah Did you win?

Yeah I did an all-star season and she was on that They've done an all-star season Yeah Did you win that? I should have I came in second

Which I think was trash Is there anything you do that you don't win? Yeah Really? How many gold medals do you have? Just one. It's pretty good I have four medals, just one gold

Where is it? In a safe somewhere Right here, I have it with us right here You don't have like display I was about to me He's like I brought it I can tell you're super competitive. Yeah, very.

Like, I can just feel it in the room. So is he. That's why I got married. I imagine so, but, like, I feel like you're winning more competitive. Or do you kind of take a step back? I love this part of the conversation where it's like Sean's accolades and then transition to patronizing Andrew. I'm like, oh, poor guy. What the whole three-off year is.

Okay. Yeah. I am, I love competition. Sean, though, will, like, cut your throat. and she will win. I'm like, I'm here for a good time. I'm just like the vibe guy.

Sean looks like she doesn't fuck her. She gives a look. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's a little scary. Try me of you married though. Yeah. Wait, so when you knew y'all

were going on special forces together, was it like, babe, we're going to do this together? Or were you like, I'll fucking win. At any point where you're like, don't be a pussy. Honestly, I take this for granted. I never have to say that to Sean. She never backs down from a situation.

So, like, honestly, we find ourselves in some ridiculous places because she's always down, which puts us in some pinches. We've done some things that we've probably regretted. A lot of opportunities come our way where they're like, you guys just don't say no. So why not throw you out of a plane, put you in some car going off a cliff? And it's like, this kind of sucks, but it's fun. We'll do it. We found ourselves at Fort Bragg, which is like an army base, doing a shooting competition.

and give us like these huge... We're like the world's best snipers. Yeah, like these huge weapons. And I won. No, he won. She tripped. He actually won. But in this competition, real guns, real bullets.

She trips and falls, throws like a 9mm pistol somewhere. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so sketchy. But we're going to keep going. So she picks it up and keeps ripping. Yeah, I survived. No, there was no leading up to the show is not that much fun because Sean entered training mode, which I had never seen in my life before. And I totally understood from that point forward

why she is one of the greatest gymnasts at all time and my football career was not that impressive. It's like her intensity and focus was like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. How much time did you have to prep? Like five weeks. Oh, okay. So they've asked us every season

and I've either been pregnant or postpartum. So I really wanted to the show, but never had the option. Every time they came to me, I was like, there's no chance. Was it always an option for the two of you to do it together? No, I was like the bargaining chip.

They wanted Sean so bad. They're like, all right, well, what if we let Andrew do it too? Self-deprivation. Let's go. How'd you guys meet? I met his oldest brother at the Olympics. He's an Olympic cyclist. And he set us up on a blind date.

I was getting ready to go to Stanford at the time. I kept deferring. Couldn't, like, pull the trigger for some reason. And then met him or his oldest brother. And he's like, you should go to Vanderbilt or, geez, I can't form words right now. You should go to Vanderbilt. where my brother goes and he set us up on a blind date you gave me a tour of vandy and i was like okay right so you picked him over stanford i did no no vanderbilt and me which is i mean i only

went to vanderbilt because of you i literally dropped out with him the first couple of months that's kind of a flex yeah sanford's pretty good school that's decent but i don't know if he's better though Any regrets? Yeah, so. Not at all. So, special forces. Was it everything you expected it would be? I mean, obviously, it's someone who's been in that environment.

What was the most shocking or difficult thing? Because, like, physically, you guys, your specimens, this guy, you know, shake his hand. And I'm like, ow. You saying that with the in my eye contact we're making right now is like, I don't know what to. It's impressive. I don't know what to think right. I'm just like, honestly, after watching dancing with the stars the other night. I'm really in my feels about like not like I've been in shape my whole life you know

it really got it's really bad when your wife sends you shirtless pictures of Dylan Ephron I just like it accidentally he's also like isn't he like 20 yeah he's a kid younger he's a kid also welcome to like parenting it just changes but in fairness to Natalie you know as soon as we got together I was like yeah I mean I don't work is hard you feel like you let yourself go a little bit a little bit that's amazing that's like also the greatest form of flattery to a certain extent because like you're that comfortable Dylan is 33 and according to the household so he's not a child also Nick responds very well to shame I do so he's I think engraved that into me to shame him yeah yeah yeah it doesn't join daturdays

datter days that's what we call it yeah you'll be humbled very quickly I have no doubt Saturday after the Saturdays workout and he's like I almost died I'm like if you're saying that who puts together the workouts Navy SEALs and Army Rangers so it's a group of like elite athletes how old are they

I'm 45 bro yeah some are older there's a lot of 40 year olds but they're all like Army Rangers he said no excuses no excuses I did a few push-ups Saturday morning and I'm hurting what's a few yeah how many 10

I did like a 20-minute workout where I was doing some cut of bells and some push-ups and some running in place and some shadow boxing. I'm not going to lie, we pulled up and we saw dumbbells on the back porch.

I was like, this guy gets after it. It's raining outside. That wasn't this morning. That was me working on inside every 20 minutes and then not putting shit away. Okay, all right.

Wait, special forces. Yeah, yeah. Every single person we asked about the show, they said it's way harder than it even shows on TV. Yeah. And every time we heard that, we would look at each other and be like, they just, you know, they can't hang. You're like, Pussies.

Yeah. And then we show up and it was like, oh, yeah? It's actually harder than we thought. Going into it, there was like zero chance I'm tapping out of this thing. And then at the end of day one, my body was shutting down and I thought I had heat exhaustion. Well, they didn't give you water for 24 hours. Yeah, we're in the 120 degree heat, no water for like seven hours. Which was actually like a mistake on the show's part.

And I was like, yeah, because that's one, that's kind of a danger zone. It was. Yeah, we should have water. But, but I was like, I think I'm going to have to leave day one, just because physically I was not in a good spot. It was a wild ride. Did you tell her that? Oh, I could tell. Yeah.

They separated us immediately and put us on two separate teams. So we didn't see each other all day. And all, that first whole day, we were like out on the mountaintop doing stuff. I don't know. And at the end of the day, we saw each other. other for the first time and I could tell immediately it's like oh oh he's he's not like he's done you had the black circles under your eyes you were like in really bad shape did you have a conversation that night to like keep them there I just went into like wife slash mom mode yeah I was like

who has electrolytes we need water yeah she was nursing me back to hell yeah but that was my first experience on reality TV and I was like this is not that cool dude freaking this sucks That's not even reality TV. And I credit to the show because it's more like you don't engage with producers. You're not like doing like in the moment conversations. It's just a simulation with cameras around. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's hardly. You really haven't done reality TV yet. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, being miced up all the time. I don't know about that part. Sure. How was your first night of sleep?

Because ours was wild. We slept pretty good. Really? You didn't have any snores? No. And those cots. every time anyone fucking moves

it's just like this our door it was like a metal cable they had loop through just a piece of wood and so every time it would open up it would be

it's super loud so anyone that would go to the bathroom in the middle of the night you'd wake right up but I don't know if it's just like the phase of life

you and I are in with like a five four and one year old but I really can't complain about sleep I felt like I slept great I was doing really well You're like there was no baby kicking me in the leg.

No monitors. No monitors to watch. That's true. I thought we did well. With sleep, yeah. We also were known. People were talking to us later about how any downtime we had, whether it was going to be a minute or like four hours you never knew, we literally would just fall asleep and now. Yeah.

The whole, the whole time. I actually think it's my best quality I have is I can sleep anywhere. Yeah. A little epilepsy or? I don't think, no, it's a, but I'll fall asleep within, like, yeah. Just tired. Two minutes. You're really?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You don't look like a stressful person. Do you just not have anxiety? Or you're just one of those like light as a feather, you know, just carefree? I actually think you're, you're shockingly and amazingly carefree. Yeah. He does feel stress.

He gets stressed up. Yeah. I mean, I haven't spent that much time with you, but you're a delight to be around. Actually, this is like a core philosophy of my life. You know when you go to the airport and you got people yelling at like the poor people behind the counter like, I'm not going to miss my fun yet. And they're like getting all mad about something. And this lady has no control over this airline schedule.

I'm like, don't get mad over stuff that you can't, that you have no control over. So I agree with you 99% of the time. Every once in a while, there is someone behind that counter who just wants to make your day miserable. For example, we were flying from, I don't know where we're going. Anyways, we were flying. And we had our daughter, River, with us. And she was maybe a little bit over a year. old and at this point we've flown 30 times with me so like we're familiar with the process oh yeah

still lap child whatever and we're like we just want to make sure like our daughter's on our ticket whatever and she's like okay do you have her birth certificate or her shot records which you don't need we're like what like why and she was like we we need to see those before she gets in the shot records I'm like I don't a photo of her birth certificate like immediately we know she's just making things up and then she's like do you have a photo of her like in the hospital I'm like do you want to see the video of me, like, giving birth? Like, are you just, like, making sure that she's our kid or, like, what's going on here? No, she literally asked for, like, a photo of her giving birth. And I were like, I don't, and I didn't want to argue with her, you know,

because we just want to get on our flight. So literally, we showed this woman, like, hospital videos of Natalie giving birth to her. Wow. And then she was like, well, you never can be too careful, like, afterwards. Like, she knew she was just making shit up. She's like, because, like, people, you know, she definitely watched some kind of, like, kidnapped. were you video online were you pissy in this interaction because this is something Sean and i have done a lot of work on i will get like i will i will i will huff and i my uber rating is pretty good at this point i had to do some damage control because like i didn't know there's an uber rating and then someone's like what's your uber rating and i looked and i was like it was like a 4-4 at some point

which is pretty low and i was like why i mean i'm like i've never like got it into it i've never like But, you know, when they would make a wrong turn or I was, you know, late, I'm in the back going, Ah! That's, you and John would get along. Andrew's always like, just don't talk. My thought is, keep your mouth shut. In this situation where you have this lady behind the desk who asks something crazy,

is it the better strategy to double down and inject like intense negative emotional energy? Or is it like, oh, I'm so sorry. I forgot. No. To take a selfie at the hospital. Like, you make a, I think it's better to just go the friendly or softer. You're 100% right, but like most people. I get so firing.

Andrew has this quality, and I don't know, I don't know how. But every interaction like that, where normally you get like super pissed off, he sees it as such a challenge and he will become people's best friends. That's a great one. And then all of a sudden he's got their cell phone number and he's getting... free points on Delta or what because like you're that guy that's an amazing show it was actually I think our on our flight to Morocco where we filmed the show we were uh bro we were about to miss our flight to go to New York and then to Morocco from there we weren't going to make it on time

for the course to start and Sean is stressed like not a good spot she's like yelling at people like well can we can we not get on a different flight look at this and then there's this guy who's like just try to help us and I was like hey man that wait just trying to help us Yeah, this is how he is. Like, have you done a call map reading? I would listen to it. We actually, no, we did. We did a, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's a meditation. It was actually awesome. It's like, welcome back to tonight's meditation. Anyway. I would listen. You were ready. It's like you get to know someone's name. I actually think one of life's greatest adventures is to like meet a stranger.

And then you're like, how are we going to vibe? Is there any overlap between? Coming from an introvert, that sounds awful. Anyway. I'm realizing me and Sean are very much alike and a lot. Who's more introverted or extroverted? I'm way, I'm way introverted. You're pretty chatty, though.

I can be. I'm like, I'm an ambiovert if you want to get technical. I've never heard that term, bro. Well, introvert, extrovert is, ambidextrous. I think Susan Kayne, the most world-inout expert in extroverts, we had on a show a long time ago. And half the population is extroverts, half the population's introvert, but it's really a spectrum.

You know, you don't, like, there's extremes, like most people. you know, you may be, you say you're introverted, but like, there are people obviously way more introverted who can't get out of the house and, like, you know. He likes to claim he's an introvert. I'm like, honey. Well, we all can be at time. No, no. No. I'm getting advice from Nick

about this. Don't interrupt, okay. But like, he fills up his tank probably by like challenging himself to become people's best friends and that just sucks the life out of him. I can do it. I can show up and be like, here we go. Be charming Nick. Be charming Nick. Sometimes before we go somewhere, I'll be like, Nick, I'm going to challenge you to, like, overdo it. And we're like, all right, game on.

The short version is, be nice. Yeah. She'll tell me. We got to meet your wonderful daughter. And the welcoming that we got from her was amazing. I don't know if you have, like, cameras outside. It sounds weird to say, but like, she came sprinting. I was like, sister me?

She's fast, right? She's fast. Yeah. No, she is the biggest extrovert. And it's crazy because we went to dinner last night and she, like, tried to hug the manager. And then we were on our way out. And some woman was like, oh, hi, baby.

And then she was, like, trying to hug her. And I'm like, okay, sometimes we like can't just hug every stranger. Don't do that. That guy's disgusting. He's like, he wouldn't sit in our seat on time. No, that's a great quality, though. And you're absolutely right. You definitely attract more bees with honey than everything.

Wow. I didn't make that up. That's an old saying. No, you just made it up. This is, I heard the phrase positive boomerang growing up a lot. Or it's like, you know, boomerangs, whatever you throw out, it'll come back to you. And if you throw positive boomerangs, you'll get positive. That's scary sometimes for people like Nick and I.

Yeah. But I do find, like, Nallie and I, I mean, I'm sure you guys have this happen too. But when you can tell your partner is, you know, even when Nallie is just like, wants to kill someone, I'm like, all right, let's big picture. All right, here we, you know, it's like, and it's, oh, we balance it out, right? But also sometimes I'm like, come on. Yeah, I just got some real mama-mala energy and her. She'll want to fight people. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. It's recently become to solicitors and solicitors only, you know? Yeah. I've been real, like, we have a no soliciting sign. Wow. And they just, like, I was in sales. Listen, you don't, that's just like a, you don't even look at that thing. That's a challenge.

Yeah. It's like, I'll get them to buy what I'm selling. And I'll be like, you just, who. got my baby and the dogs are barking and yeah yeah yeah have you ever been a karen oh yeah uh yeah i can't say it is funny how you one comes to mind i'll tell you off the off the show it's funny how you get older and then all of a sudden you're like that person's driving too fast in our neighborhood so yeah you put up a sign and it's like what is happening what happened are y'all's kids introverts extroverts have you been able to tell a mix really big

make our daughter is very much like me very introverted but it's funny because if she gets comfortable enough her like crazy side comes out which is so much fun and then our first son is a carbon copy of andrew he is knows no stranger just loves life to the fullest we had friends over on saturday and first thing jet said our four year old to this new person he just met was hey do you want to play tackle so those guys like sure so he gets football helmets out And he's literally just tackling this guy. It's, like, hilarious. He's the kid that, like, wakes up at 5 a.m.

He'll be right by your face. And we'll say to Andrew, he's like, Daddy, let's go work out. Let's do it. And he's like, boy, got to sleep. That's kind of awesome, though. Yeah, that's the dream. It is. And then our third is definitely, like, a mix.

Yeah. He's got his, like, skepticism, but, like, loves life. He's a mix of both. Y'all travel a lot with your kids. We do. What is kind of y'all's, like, hack to travel? Because we travel a lot with river. Obviously, it's easier with one.

You have three. How do you all manage? No hack. It's exactly what you guys are doing. Just introduce them to it. We traveled with all of our kids from a very early age. I'd say like two months old. Not even.

And they just got used to it. They're very comfortable on planes. It doesn't make it easier. Yeah. Restrict no technology on traveling couple though. Wow. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Not a shit. That's just. We honestly know. We're pretty good. We're pretty good. Like we definitely are. We are no. But airplanes are like, no, no, no.

No, I would say we are, we are light on technology at home. But the second we're making a 16 hour flight across the world, I'm like the iPad is gold. Have it for 16 hours and not your plane. Kids eyes are just toasted and red. By the end of it, they're like, I'm like, wow. That's 20 hours of screen time. So do you do like, you sit in an aisle with two, you sit with one. Like, do you all have like a system or does it change?

I will say a hack we have figured out with three because we're an odd number. Is we always buy an extra seat in economy. So we do two full rows of three. We have gone the route of doing first class with all five of us. And usually all the kids end up in the two. two first class seats that we're sitting in and then you have like three empty first class seats that you just sought off an arm for

so we do majority economy even flying to Japan we were like last row on a 16 hour flight I might regret that one but I'm excited because I feel like two was a pivot point for us the kids get so much easier at that point

like just age two understanding their ability to have like some attention span yeah so usually be like two are two oldest with Sean and then me with the baby. Because the baby's harder than the two older

combined pretty much. So like a parent will take the two older and a parent will take the baby and then we'll switch. I realize why they call it to terrible twos it's not because they're actually terrible but like Rivers at that age

where she's old enough to want things and she's old enough to like have opinions and like a point of view a little bit but not quite enough to communicate and fully understand. So it's a little bit of like even like sitting in an airplane seat and like having a seatbelt on oh yeah they're like never no and then the stewardesses are yelling at you because your two-year-old won't say so i'm like i don't know

what to do here yeah two is hard two is two is tough but she we were just talking about this the top of the episode but we just took her pacifier away this weekend how's it going she's pretty good yeah the night i'm like go yeah and she's just like up dad da up dad da she calls movies we've we've like meow mao's because we started her on like aristocats and the 101 delamation so everything's mea meow mea meow up dadda meow meow and it's like 4 a.m he's like please go to that dude this is so cliche but enjoy that while the last dude it will be over and a matter of months and you're like frank remember when little river was saying up there five and it's like dude i was literally crying on the way here there's a song he was a disaster this morning what song

don't listen to it it's a good talk as a parent don't listen to it she's totally going to natalie loves to sit and feels like that no when it comes to river i just made her email address and i wrote her email last night let's freaking go that's the best that is he's got one for age kid i'm only doing one on her birthday yeah i'm like what i send like i can't she can't read that much he sends like five a day i'll do like uh i'll just do like little one sentence ones like um like Bear said, our youngest said his first prayer the other day. And he said, he said, thank you for bulldozers and excavators.

Amen. I'm sent an email. I mean, it wasn't that eloquent. It was, yeah. Bulldozer, excavator. Amen. We're like, already. But it's like, that's the stuff that you think you'll remember forever, then fast while a week you forget. So I'm a pro email. Oh, it's so sweet.

So back to Special Force. Yeah. Either of you picky eaters? He is a lot pickier than I am. That's what I found out. Did you really, because that was the hardest part for me. I didn't realize that part of the course was the food and then they feed you less.

Bro, first of all, I don't think you have to be a piggy eater to not enjoy that. No, it's garbage food. It wasn't that bad. It was trash, dude. And I lost 17 pounds. It is terrible shot. I'm a snob.

I told him he used to be fed filet mignon in the NFL. That was literally what we were fed in the National Team Trading Center for gymnastics. I mean, we're talking the most decrepit bruised fruit. It's so bad that you don't even want to eat it. And then you have oatmeal that's like not even cooked right. You're like, how can you mess this up? Carrot soup? I'm like, what is this?

Hard-wold eggs, which was great. I heard you guys had hard-bowed eggs, and I was pissed because I would have killed for hard-bo-ed eggs. I loved hard-bo-ins. We had runny, fake eggs. Oh, yeah. And I was like, I can't eat. You had scrambled eggs?

They made, and it was like soft scrambled, which was definitely not like. Like soupy. Yeah, I was like, I can't, no. And it was probably powdered eggs. Yeah. Hard-boiled eggs were as much. There was one breakfast I almost, like, threw up because I just, it was like, I can't. Same.

And then Tom Sandoval is just, like, scarfing it down. Just a human garbage just falls in. And they give you salt, which is like the one beacon of hope. And you're like, this gives it a little bit of flavor, but it's still terrible. There was one meal. They made us, like, this really delicious, like, rotisserie chicken. What? Yeah.

But then two minutes into the meal starting, they were like, Oh, recruits. Recruits! And I was like, no! Oh, that's so brutal. It was brutal. So brutal. Okay, so we, this is, I unbelievably fell for this.

This has just aired on the previous episode of. They watched it. It was trash. Nick Young, the whole time he was there was complaining about the food. He said, all I want is a Coke. Give me a Coke. So he leaves. Two hours later.

What shows up? There goes a box with a Coke in it. And we thought this was a gift from the DS. Like, oh my gosh, this was a morale booster. Two guys. Yes. stupid and then so we all crushed it there's candy in there we're going ham and then it turns out like oh surprise surprise we weren't supposed to eat it yeah and you're like how did we fall for

this this is literally like in the horror movie when they go to the shed with all like that we had the worst beasting after that oh man at like 2 a.m and we knew it was coming you had you had an eclectic group do you keep in touch with everybody we actually do he keeps in touch with everybody are you did you get close with Cody We had some very fascinating theological discussions. I was to say, who talks smart? You or Cody. Oh, hold on.

It was so interesting because you meet this guy. You're like, all right, he has multiple wives, right? Yeah. How do you get to that point in life? And then so we would talk for hours about like his understanding of the Bible and then his upbringing. And then it's like, it's really fascinating to start to get a picture of like how you end up with multiple wives. um so let's give you some background on andrew he studies religion he has a doctorate in psychology so he literally just wants to know everybody's in and out thought we he wants to get inside

their brain i love psychology we could probably go deep one of these days yeah i would love that no it's actually um you know building uh a certain amount of empathy for people you know and and understanding uh but it was you know we would we'd hit these kind of forks in the road where he was like, I was so proud of the work that he did. I guess he helped the legalize polygamy in Arizona or maybe even beyond that. He helped legalize it. Legalize it. Legal. He made it legal.

He made it legal. And then it's like, you know, gets to this point where like, well, is this good to have everything legal like this or not? And then you know, that's just kind of a difference in how you see things. But fascinating conversations all around. And we did this whole take on, you know, once they announced a cast, there's a lot of people with a lot of strong

opinions on certain people. And you're like, hey, no matter what, everyone has redemptive qualities. You know what I'm saying? Like, despite whatever controversies or mistakes they've made, everyone has a chance to, like, say, wow, we can all do this together. And like, if you lose that hope that everyone has positive qualities about it, like, that's a sad life. So it was interesting.

Some people were like, no, there's no redemptive qualities. You're like, don't judge me like that, please. Because I will make mistakes. And if you're absolutely right. Yeah. I mean, that's Thomas Sandoval. He's on my season right after Scandival. And, you know, he's definitely imperfect.

Yeah. He's made mistakes. But he's not, he has redeeming qualities. Yeah. You know. And special forces to that point, what's great about that experience is that if you have any, those redeeming qualities are forced to come out. Yes.

You know, because they're really challenged. And it's nice to see people in those elements. What's so unique about the show, too, is I think Fox wants to display those redeeming qualities. Which is really cool. I don't know if there's another show that exists that does that, like really tries to paint you in a positive light. And they still, like, there's still an opportunity to not get painted in a positive light, but you almost have to work for it.

But, like, all that to say, I think you still have to have a right and wrong, absolute kind of like gauge, but having empathy alongside of that is a good way to live life, I think. How was Jesse Smallette? Very nice. That's what I said this the other day on a podcast, got taken out of context by someone. Who knows? The internet. Yeah.

All the people. But it's like the most beautiful thing that I loved about the show, we didn't know a lot of people when we walked into our first, you know, barracks. But they strip you down. You don't get to wear like your normal style. You don't get to like showcase your personality outside the show. You all wear the same thing. Do the same thing. And you're forced to be terrified and put in such vulnerable positions and lean on each other.

And there was not a single person on that cast that I couldn't trust. like when it came down to being scared for my life and needing someone to like help me through it each and every one of those people was truly helping everyone around it including Jesse. That's it I mean that's a great quality and I say this all the time because I'm always like I'm afraid of the internet

and what it's done to our society and just because you can go online and I'm always like that's the matrix like you're tapping into the matrix and that's where all this divisiveness comes from But like to, you know, special force is a great example of that, but like just go to a, go to a sporting event, you know, and just like the camaraderie, you know, and the people finding common ground rather than finding where you aren't an agreement, you know, and things like that. And special forces is a great example of like that atmosphere where you could assume based of what you know about them or what you heard or maybe even what you've seen them say online that you, like, I have nothing in common with this person. Oh, I don't, I hate what they represent or I hate what they stand for, et cetera, et cetera, and to still feel safe.

Like, you know, because really you are relying on these people as part of your unit. It's fascinating. I even found, correct me from wrong, but like within the cast dynamics, we so quickly got rid of the outside world. And we still had these moments where, like, you would get frustrated with each other or you would get mad. But it was over something like, how could you have done that in the challenge? And they would be like, oh, I'm so sorry. I'll actually do better next time. There was such this redeeming quality of it being so simple and being able to confront one another and say, you need to do better or I messed up that time.

It just made you so human and you forgot about all the drama that the world likes to bring in on top of it. Also, there's nothing like a little bonding that happens through shared suffering. I think you love. Through drama. Like you're all just, you're all villainizing together this like terrible experience that you all went through, which has an amazing side effect of everyone. One's like, oh, yeah, I can't trust you in certain ways. Yeah. Was it tough to be away from the kids?

Yeah. Or I imagine they're watching. No. We haven't shown them yet. No? You haven't. There's so much trying to explain to like even our five-year-old who's the oldest. Like why mommy's crying or why I'm getting screamed at.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And trying to make that black and white for a mind that can only digest black and white is really difficult. Yeah. What age do you feel like they'll be able to? to start. Because I imagine it's something that you hope

you'll want to show them someday because it's cool what you guys did together. We're going to have to explain all the bleep words at first. You know how many peep, beep, beep they have in that show. It's like, what does I stand for?

Are you really careful about swearing? He doesn't swear. Period. I did drop a couple off bombs on the show because you're out there getting destroyed. Yeah. Because I have a bit of a sailor mouth. Do you?

Yeah. Part of some people's personality, you know? It is. I remember literally. Literally being in the second grade, like on the playground, I got taught some swear words. And I remember, because I grew up very Catholic, very conservative family. And I remember being like, you swear too much, Nick, and the second grader. Second grade.

I'm going to get in trouble. Like, this is crazy. I'm like, I'm like, I'm sure when River starts repeating the swear words, he'll reel it in a little bit. Yeah, I don't know. I actually have a take on your, uh, the internet commentary. I have thoughts on that. Because it is, you know, we've been making YouTube videos for 10 years now, sharing our life voluntarily, which I love.

Like, I think it's the coolest thing. I love making videos. I love all the tech and stuff. And then you start reading comments and inevitably there's like, quote, unquote, negative ones. But I think repositioning it from, oh, that's a personal attack to, okay, if my goal is to be the best husband I can be, right? Then having access to all these different perspectives is actually really helpful.

And, like, if someone's saying, hey, Andrew, you shouldn't have said that or that was too mean. Obviously, the comments get way more gnarly than that. But, like, it's actually an interesting gut check of, dang, maybe they were right, you know? Like, I'll do better next time. You read them? Every now and then. Actually, you probably read more than I do. I read them more.

But, you know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't have to always be, if it could actually be an edifying thing and refining if you're like, oh, wow. You really have to, and you guys clearly do, have a very strong. sense of self and you really have to know who you are to be able to do that to use online criticism as a oh it's a pretty good you know I guess I guess I can be I guess I am the stupid whore thank you well I mean I was a villain on my first season of the Bachelorette so really oh yeah painted that way I think so you know Bachel you know you don't have to do much on ABC isn't it to be you know but yeah no I was like I was a serial killer I was you know yeah I was

hated yeah there was like a whole like people like seriously trying to explain why you shouldn't be caught in a room with me because I'm I'm a sociopath uh what I was like you know maybe no but yeah I can get you know it can get it can get tough I find it easier to disconnect and just tell them that my, their opinions of me are not my business. Yeah. And yeah, it's just more like just tapping in. Like, I'm great. What I have, what I have is gratitude. I have gratitude for people who are willing to care about what we do. Yes. And they are willing to engage with what we do. And what they want to think of it is their business. And it's not mine. And I just thank them for listening. And if you haven't yet, like them, subscribe. Like you subscribe.

Yeah. Yeah. What people are willing to say on their phone. It's, it's not the same. what they're willing to say human to human, you know? Yeah, but there's also some misinterpretation that get, like, if they were, if they said one thing and then it just gets poorly translated via text, you know, I also try to, I try to cast it in as much positive. I think we're talking like the next level. I mean, if it's like harshly negative, then you're like, okay, well, that's just not true. That's fine.

Well, there's that, well, also, when I say this to people I'm giving relationship advice to when they're, you know, people don't read your text messages or comments. Correct. the way you sent them they read them in whatever emotional state that they're currently in or how they receive it they'll put in their own punctuation and things like that so

yeah that is you know on you but it's hard to interpret you know you're a disgusting motherfucker any other kind of way like the video we posted of us singing like why is Nick Wilde here with green emoji puke face

I think it was wise Nick and Andrew here we both got the you actually got one of those two which honestly made me feel much better because I'm like well I mean I don't know how you could hate Andrew so yeah how do you describe the puke face like oh they're so great it made me puke they're like screaming crying throwing up yeah laughing so hard the cute I laughed so hard at that video dude oh my gosh it was really good it's so funny because Nick went and did that by himself and he was like wait you're not coming with yeah and I was like no Like, I'm going to stay with River, you got this.

And he was like, I just, you know, this is just not. My hell. Like, I just, you know, I just. And so then when he leaves, I call him like, how was it? Like, did you make some friends? And he's like, yeah, you know, I made me take my shirt off. And I was like, oh, no. So I don't know what y'all did with that one, but I was excited to see it.

I was not a part of that. I was chasing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's like, my husband's the hottest one here. Take your shirt off, guys. Well, thanks for coming, guys. This is fun to have you.

You guys are on special force. It's every Thursday night. And obviously, where can people find you, follow you, your channels, all the great stuff you're doing online? Don't worry about it. Don't do it. Don't follow us. It's not worth it. Apologies in advance.

If we stumble upon our stuff. Sean is amazing. Sean Johnson is her. And Andrew East. Yeah. But we have a blast. A bunch of nonsense that we post. Because we kind of, you know, Nelly goes by.

Family Joy, I go by Nickvile. Do you guys, do you guys keep the separate last names? No, legally, I'm Sean East. Okay. Yeah, but I... But you're Olympic Goldman of the song, you know? I moved my... I moved Johnson to my middle name, and I dropped my middle name.

Also, by the way, Flex, every time I fly into Nashville, I'm always welcomed by you. Dude, that is... It's so much. In the city, like, Nashville has Nicole Kinman. Exactly. Tim McGraw. Tim McGraw. Eight Hill.

And they're like... Are you kidding? And it's me. That's awesome. That's so cool. I'm always like, pop off, Sean. I've had friends in the industry who have done way cooler things to me. They're like, who's your publicist? I don't know what happened. I, yeah. Hi, I'm Olympic gold medalist Sean Johnson and welcome to Nashville. I'm like, oh my God, thank you for having me. I don't know if it's just like odd. Don't take someone else's effing bag at the bag carousel, all right? Check the bag. I will say Nate's is really funny. Nate Bargatsies is funny. Yeah, it's pretty funny too. He should be higher than mine. Either way, it's a flex.

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the very dynamic cast of special forces including Sean Johnson and Andrew East. All right, it's time to talk a little batch theret Taylor Frankie Paul's

alleged men were recently posted by was it Cosmopolitan? Yes. So what's it was Cosmo? Yeah, like how are they getting these people? I mean, listen,

no, this is not like, cosmopolitan does not do anything without the blessing of Warner Brothers and ABC. So there's some kind of collaboration here. This isn't like reality blog, went rogue, and somehow, like, found out who the men are

and are posting it. So, like, I don't know, alleged. Oh, my God, Brad Ledford was on my, he's a, he's a TikToker. He was on my TikTok the other day. He's like a, um, he wakes up and ranch. He goes to the, what the fuck is he doing on your TikTok? Well, ask my, for, ask my algorithm. I don't know.

Uh, no, but Brad, he like, wakes up and he, like, wakes up and he, like, wakes up at 5 a.m. And he goes to the ranch and he feeds the horses. And then he goes back home and he goes to the, gym and then he goes to the office and he's like a realtor or something and then he goes back to the farm. Seems like he has a very busy life. All I heard is influencer. Yeah. I mean, 149,000 followers already. Yeah. He's got, I think maybe he has more on TikTok. I mean, it kind of makes sense though. She, you know, Taylor is your traditional bachelorette, right? Bachelor. You know, it's like you're here for the right reasons. You come on the show. You're a nobody.

maybe become a somebody on your respective season but even as the lead you're still very new supposedly to this whole like social media life that doesn't really start until after you're done with your bachelor journey but Taylor Frankie Paul is obviously not that right before she was even one of the secret lives

of Mormon wives wives she was out there like influencing so it does make sense that it's a little bit more fair game or a little more, like, digestible for Bachelor Nation to accept, you know, people who are familiar with that life because it is, you know, it would be weird for a normie to, like, to settle down with Taylor and then come out. And she's like, well, here, let's, we got some videos to make, bro. Yeah. You know, so it kind of makes sense. We got excited. Leia Sierra and I that these gorgeous, beautiful, amazing men were out here. But we didn't want to go through all of them

because some of them were loki boring. So I made a side show of each of our top three men. Okay. All right. So Spencer, the reason I picked him is because he looks like the tall ginger guy on S&L. So I like him. But he has an evil haircut, so I don't trust it.

He does have an evil haircut. My theory, I think he's going to cause drama with the men because he doesn't think they're father material. The ribbed crew neck shirt is a dress. Yeah, it's pretty stressful. He's 35. 35? I mean, I love that for Taylor. His account is private on Instagram. Green flag. Green flag for sure. I think he's going to make it to hometowns. I think he's then going to get cut at hometowns because he is still very close friends with a girl. He had a thing with in high school. And Taylor's going to cry. Then we got Ron. Ron's a cutie patootie. He's hot. I also like Ron is hot. So that's number one. I feel like based on vibes, he has only ever dated Mormon girls, but not on purpose.

Lifelong dream is to be someone's baby daddy. This is all just what I think based off of one singular picture. Oh, okay. This is not. No, no, no, no, no. This is not Ron. No, no, no, no. This is not Ron as an actual person.

This is just what I think after seeing one photo of Ron. The Cosmopolitan article gave us zero facts, so it's literally just gauge, location. We have to use our knowledge. Nothing, nothing I am about to say is based on any research, to quote my brother. I think that Ron is going to make it to the final rows. because him and Taylor have incredible chemistry and they both love to laugh. But I do think ultimately

he will not get picked and he might be the next bachelor. Okay. That's what I think about Ron. Do we know how tall these men are? No, they still haven't taken your advice on that one, Nick. Ron gives taller in person. And then we have Johnny.

Oh, Jason Tartick look alike. Johnny scares me. And so I picked him because I think he's going to make it to hometowns because he's so crazy. and I think he's very Italian and I think his family is going to be really charmed by Taylor

and I think Taylor's going to be charmed by a big chaotic Italian family you know I think it's really going to match her vibe I do feel like based off of looking at one picture of him he has or has had at one point in his life a SoundCloud rap career and then I also do think his ex is going to cancel

him on TikTok within three weeks of the show starting and that's why he's in your top three Yeah, I kind of did it based on, like, who I think is going to be the most chaotic on the show. Okay. 11.4K followers on Instagram. But he also has a private account. 11.4K. That's kind of always like a fun, like interesting number, you know?

Like, how did you get 11.4K? Did you start an influencing career and stop? Yeah, because it's definitely not like just around town friends. Oh, he's a baseball player. Oh. No, this is his, um, he is a co-founder of one bounce. Stickball league. Stick ball.

What's, ooh, the heck is stickball? It's like baseball, but you play with a smaller bat. You know what stickball is? Is stickball just like a thinner bat? Yeah, it's literally baseball with a stick. It was commonly played like in the inner cities with kids who like who couldn't afford equipment and stuff like that and they'd play stickball. It's baseball with a stick.

Cute. I've played it. All right. Here are my top choices. I did not make up stories for them like Mary did Marcus, I thought he was hot, and he doesn't have an Instagram listed. Shout out, Marcus. This is giving, I'm a mom, and I don't have time for these shenanes.

I didn't know that we were making up stories for these people. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. I love that your personalities are coming through on this presentation. Okay, Marcus. Well, here's my. Okay. And he's also not on Instagram.

Also hot. Copy and paste, or did you separately type both of these? Separately typed both of these. All right. And then this one was interesting because Trenton is a three-time Paralympian. His instabio says, lost my leg but gained a dream. I like his attitude. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah, I think they're all private because they're filming right now, right? Yeah, probably because Mary said because of the drop, she thinks maybe. Yeah, my theory is that I think they, because this article is out they own private. Oh, yeah, that's smart, honestly. I do wonder what she's looking for in religion. Like, is she looking for somebody who's religious? Because Jesus is in his Instagram bio.

She did a little interview with Derek Huff on some random, I don't know. Extra. Yeah. And basically it was like they don't have to, I mean, I want them to, like, believe in something and have some sort of, like, higher power that they believe in. But they don't have to be Mormon. They don't, you know. So she definitely gave her. She wants them to be kind.

All right. Sierra. All right. Doug's hot. Leia, did you write this for Sierra? No. I was like texting here in Leia and I was like, guys, can you please give me the reasons

you think these men? And they both gave me absolutely nothing. She was like, give me back story and I was like, they gave us nothing. What am I supposed to go off? This is completely superficially who I think is hot. Well, anyways, Doug has a really great jaw line and some really great hair.

Do we have an age for Doug? 28. He's from San Diego. Okay. How old is Taylor? Taylor, Frankie, Paul is 31. What? Yeah, shocking.

I thought, I would have guessed like 27. Isn't Dakota younger than her too, though? Like, I don't think she's against a younger guy. I guess because the other women, they're all like, I turned 24 this episode, and I'm like, I guess they're awesome. Dakota is 33. Oh. I think it's because you're thinking because other Mormon wife castmates are younger. On to the next.

Joe, he's just hot. I think he's got a great head of hair. At least he is according to these 10 pixels that are in this photo. That's a terrible photo from. Also, it's also giving a little Jason Tartick. There's a couple Jason Tartick's in here. Here's his IG. I'm guessing it's going to be from Los Angeles.

Private. Yep, yep. So, oh, he's the host of sports betting network. Sports betting, uh-oh. And my last one, of course, was Brad, because hot. You think Brad's hot? Have you also seen him on your TikTok for you page? I have never seen him.

That was the first time that you saying. That was the first time I've heard this. But I was like, he's giving kind of Jacob Allerty vibes. He's got boots, a bale of hay on the back of a truck. Yeah, the TikToker that does days in his life. And he's Newport Beach, California, and Nashville, so, you know, he travels. Who is the guy? I saw Milwaukee, Wisconsin on there.

He was my fourth choice, actually, because he seems like the nice guy, like the nice neighbor that you fall in love with, you know, from like. Oh, my God. But then look at his profile photos. So, like, unassuming, it's like, here's a 12-pack. I'm not into this. Yeah. I immediately was said no after his Instagram.

It's an aggressive flex. It's going to be a no for me, dog. But cry out to him, he's jacked. It's just a difference from the photo that they chose versus the photo he presents himself. What's the yellow photo that Cosmo showed? Like he looks like he runs a coffee shop in Seattle or something. He does with his vest. Really nice guy.

I was about to put him on my list and then I opened his IG and I saw his profile picture and I was like, no. I don't love that he's wearing a vest, but I do wish the best for him. I hate a vest. No, vests are for work. lesbians and that's about it. Yeah, the Midwest. Straight men and vest. You know, ladies out there, your man should not be wearing a vest

or shirts. The ultimate cringe is the vest shorts and flip-flops with a visor. Viser. Where's the visor? I'm going to start wearing that just to piss you off. It's shocking. You would think that's just like a costume, but it's shockingly done. I do just want to

shout out Richard because his last name is crazy. What is it? Richard Van dewater. That's awesome. That's like Breed and the camp. Taylor Frankie Paul Vanderwater. The most named. Oh my God.

Taylor Frankie Paul Vanderwater. He's just a regular guy. Oh, he looks sweet from Charleston, South Carolina. Love it. Oh, my God. Oh, I like the mustache. Yeah. He is not private on Instagram.

Oh, let's stop. Oh, my God. He's a photographer. Oh, he can shoot her content. I love this. I like him, actually. Oh, man, he's so handsome. Wait, and he's how old 35?

Wait, I think I love this for her. I hope she's, with Richard. Does she have her phone? Pick Richard. All right. Well, it looks like a promising bunch of men. Yeah. What is this drama going on with Whitney Levitt and her dancing partner? You guys sent a video about them addressing something. I kind of watched it. Can someone bring us up to speed? I didn't know about this until they did like the quote unquote apology video, but basically Whitney and Mark announced a ticket giveaway for the live show of Dancing with the Stars and they promised tickets, flights, accommodations. But they

And soon after they announced it, they were forced by production and the network to cancel it because you can't do a giveaway for live tickets. What was, how did you qualify for the giveaway? I don't remember because they took that video down. And most people didn't see it until they did the apology. And in the apology, they're basically like, we just got out of rehearsal. We're so sorry. Like, we were forced by the network to not do it.

We can't actually do ticket giveaways. But we're going to find, like, another method that works or another way to like make it feel like it was worth it to fans. I imagine people must be pissed about this because it's kind of giving... It's giving bribery a little bit. Oh. Yeah.

Whitney was like, hey guys, vote for us. And if you vote for us, you could potentially win tickets to the live show. Is that what it was? I think it had... Because that would be crazy. It was them trying to show appreciation for the people that voted, is what it was.

I don't know though how they were... I was going to track you. How do you know who voted? That, I mean, the original video is not up. anymore, so I don't know what it is. Maybe ABC was like, this doesn't make any sense. You can't do this. I kind of blame Mark.

I feel like he should know better. Mark's been a pro dancer off and on forever. Like, he's an OG. And like Whitney, you know, she's, this is kind of part of like the influence her mom life, the giveaways, you know, like it's a fairly common thing. I doubt Whitney made the connection between like the optics of how this might look. I feel like this wasn't a conversation with anyone besides Whitney and Mark. Like, I feel like they weren't like, let's ask whoever's in charge of the tour and the live shows if we can do this.

I think it was like, you know what we should do? Let's give away some tickets to the live show. It was like, definitely like Whitney and our team's idea. And then, but I feel like Mark should have been like, I'm not sure we should do that. The twist it's kind of saying or why it got shut down because many people pointed out it seemed like it would be a rules violation for a viewer vote based competition show. Yeah. bribing for votes, of course, is against the rules. And you should have talked to Disney ABC before this.

So I guess that's what it is. It's like they can't sit here and offer a paid vacation. Here's your accommodations and free tickets that are already free and be like, but vote for us. I feel like this is an honest mistake. I think Mark should know better. I totally get why Whitney wouldn't have thought about something like this. And then the influencer space giveaways is a really common thing to do now and then. I will say to Mary's point, the influencing space of giveaways has a history of

being scams. Because I don't know if you guys remember Bethany Moda. No. But she used to do a ton of giveaways and she was the internet. I'm sure a lot of our audience members know her. Anyways. What do you mean by scams? Like she would do, she would announce a giveaway but she wouldn't send all the products that were allegedly in the giveaway. But like it's a big way to rack up like followers and like likes and shares. Like they wouldn't actually give the prizes that they claimed they would give. Same thing with Kim Kardashian. I mean, I'm sure they do. Gabby Hannah. Those ones are real. But like what Sierra said, like you post with a ton of like Hermes bags. And you're like, like this photo.

and you might be entered in the giveaway. And there's no way for anyone to track who's getting what. I mean, I've never personally seen someone post those ones, at least. And even then some people could say that it's like whatever fine print in there where it's like maybe they don't get everything that's in the picture, but you think you're submitting for everything in the photo. And then it's like, well, you get the iPad in a bag, but not funny.

I'm sure there have been scammy type of people, but I think also people have done giveaways and it's been very kosher and very legit. I don't think Whitney was trying to scam at all. I don't think so either. Justice for Whitney. I also think she's good enough that she doesn't need to. I agree.

In the housewise for a second, Garcelle told Andy Cohen her friendship with Sutton is over for good. Justin, how do you feel about this? I mean, I was more surprised that she did watch What Happens Live. I know. I thought it was kind of like

we're kind of exiting the sphere of reality TV. Yeah, you're always going to stand the good graces of Mr. Andy Cohen. Yeah. Her beef was in Sutton, not with Andy. I think, I mean, she unfollowed all Sutton brands, like,

or like Instagram social handles. I mean, that's a meaningful. statement to come on. I mean, sometimes, you know, the fallout of a season's tensions are high, you know, you're in your feels. And as they always say, you know, time heals all wounds, except for, you know, how you feel about Sutton, apparently. But yeah, I mean, for her to come on and be like, no, I don't fuck with her anymore. I've heard through other people, Garcel feels very backstab by Sutton, you know, Garcel really had Sutton's back through thick or thin. And, And it comes down to everything that I think people suspect and talk about is like when push came to shove, Sutton chose Kyle.

Yep. And kind of wanted to be in the in group and kind of was quick to dismiss Garcel and having her back. And at a time where Garcell, I think she feels like I always had your back, you know, I was always there for you. And when I needed something, you didn't step up for me. It's kind of reminded me of this past episode of Real House was an OC. I'm like, listen, I've said this on many episodes, we're good friends. It's a, it's objective, you know, people want to say I'm your friend, you're my friend, you know, we're best friends, you know, whatever it means. But like, you can really tell who's really your friend in various moments. Like I, you know, now I talk about all the time and some things will happen and I'll say to, you know, they're not our friends or they're not your friend. And so when, when Shannon is having, you know, whatever you think about Alexis Bolino, or whether Jen should be friends or not. Like, there's no, let's just, like, Jen, be friends with Alexis.

Maybe Shannon is overreacting, right? Tamara came on the show. She likes Alexis. She thinks John is a stand-up dude. That's not really the point. The point is you don't get to say, well, I'm your friend, and you can count on me, and I'll ride or die with you. But I'm cool with them because they haven't done anything to me.

It's like, that's fine. But if you say that to me and I really don't fuck with someone, and someone, you know, you might not agree with my point of view, but if I'm like, hey, they hurt me and they hurt my feelings and they've gone out of their way to cause me pain, you don't get to claim that you're my great friend if your response is to like, well, I fuck with them because they haven't done anything to me. That's not the point. You know, the point, like, and again, maybe you can say like, hey, we're casuals. Like, yeah, I'm friendly with this person. We're friends. I get along with them, but they're like, I'm not,

there like besty, you know, like there's a lot of people out there like, I'm cool with, I'm friendly with him. But the way, you know, the way Jen wants to like demand Shannon's like loyalty and closeness and like we're, you know, sisterhood. But then on the flip side, say, well, they haven't done anything to me is the most irritating response when people, they want their cake and eat it too. They want the, we're right or dies. I'm there for you through thick or thin. We're best friends, but, like, they haven't done anything to me. So, like, I'll hang out with them. Then fuck that. It's the most irritating thing in the world. It's also the way she kind of turned it around on Shannon, too, where it was just like,

oh, so knowing that I'm friendly with Alexis makes you think of me differently, that's fucked up. And it's like... It makes us think of our friendship differently. Yeah. And I feel like I can't trust you or say anything around you because I don't know, are you going to go and, like, talk to this person that I'm not friends with? Or heaven forbid, you get mad at me for something that I don't know about. And then you go run to Alexis about my shit. Like, I don't know. Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about, we do have a rapid recap of the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Orange County. Shannon, in a move similar to Mary when she was in college, got too high last night and

was still stone the next day. Then Heather and Gina do shrooms and go look at tulips. Shannon grabs a plaster horse by the penis, question mark. Jen is friends with Alexis apparently and can't understand why Shannon thinks that's weird. Gina thinks that Jen and Shannon's friendship is fake as fuck. She also won't stop talking when she's high. Heather Dubrow is made to wear a hat that says I love cock. Gretchen tries to apologize to Tamara. Tamara says she's not relevant, but wants them to stop fighting. Gretchen doesn't think that there will be a change because Tamara hasn't accepted Jesus Christ into her heart. Gretchen can't stop crying. Gretchen's broke allegations are brought up again. Tamara thinks she should get a job. Gretchen apparently has liked really

gross posts on Instagram. No one says what the posts are, but Gina said, Heather's going to have her problem with that. And that was O.C. And that was O.C. Do we know what the posts are? I mean, I did some digging online. line and found what allegedly the posts are. You don't have to do digging. I mean, before the season even aired, people know Gretchen Rossi engages publicly with certain posts. Like, she comments on them. She likes them. You can literally easily search it. Yeah. And to be honest, like, I think a lot of my attitude towards Gretchen as we have been covering this stems from being aware of that and not liking that. Well, I think we wait to make our judgments until the finale where we see what...

This will obviously be addressed. I'm assuming this is part of the finale. and obviously the reunion, so. Yeah, it is. It is a part of the finale. I was telling Mary that I hate that the soundbite of Gretchen screaming that I've been waiting for is from the finale addressing these posts. Yeah. Because I wish it was something that wasn't actually important.

But what was the sound? I think it's her being like, like, why would you do that to me? Or like, I'm not that person. I'm not that person. It's something, but she's like screaming into the car in a black outfit. And I was in like the original trailer and I've been waiting for that sound bite. And like, now that it's a part of this, I'm like, oh. I do think it was fucked up that Gina.

decided to tell Shannon at the table that Jen did not want her bridal shower. That was wild. Yeah. She thought it was ridiculous. Like, Gina, shut up. Gina, this whole episode. Well, she was on mushrooms.

I guess, but mushrooms doesn't make you like that chatty. I was going to say mushrooms don't do that to you, girl. My guess is she microdosed and then also smoked weed. That's a good call. Yeah, she was just hungry and just saying how she felt. I think she wanted to start drama and she took a shroom and she's like, here's my excuse. She was like, you know what? I'm on troops.

I don't think you guys like each other You could see her brain Working it out while she was saying it Because at the same time it didn't make sense How she was trying to call herself into it Being like And I have put my family back together And she wouldn't say there's no party for me

So everyone else was You do get really honest I do have to say though I mean yeah sure She was wrong But like Jen also didn't need to like Low key throw a little shade In Shannon's direction

For the kindness that Shannon tried to do for Jen. I mean, like, there was only one way for Gina to interpret Jen saying that was because it was, you know, it was done in kind of a shit-talking kind of catty sort of like, oh my God, I would never do that. But like, I guess she can throw me a party. And clearly Shannon put forth effort into this party. I mean, if you're Shannon and you did this for a friend and you saw a clip of that

friend having that conversation with Gina, that would hurt your feelings. I think that would hurt my feelings ten times more than a high Gina telling me the second time around. I mean, you know, is Gina wrong? Sure. But I think more than anyone, like, you know, don't kill the messenger. By the way, you know what this was giving to me was Beverly Hills, the weed dinner when Denise was like, thank you. Yeah. To Erica. And Erica's like, what? Where it's like the conversation when Gina was going like five different ways and like everybody was catching a story until Emily was like, do you ever just shut up? Well, and it even backs up Emily's point where she was like, your friendship seems fake because you are going. with other people and kind of talking shit about Shannon, but then being like, here's our synchronized dances.

But also, the fakeness goes both ways, though. Like, and I love Shannon, but it was weird because by the end of the episode, they were, like, doing synchronized dancing in the crowd, like, going off by themselves. And I'm like, weren't you just fighting two seconds ago? Like, so it does feel weird. Yeah, I don't, I don't see their friendship lasting for years upon years upon years. Yeah. You know what I mean?

They don't seem right or die to me. But they seem like convenient allies on the show. Yeah. Well, you know what a friendship is that I does think will last for years, despite the current drum of this season of Salt Lake City is Mary and Angie. We watched the premiere season of Wiveswap Housewives edition. Angie from Salt Lake City was your premier housewife.

And Mary made a little cameo. And it was like a really cool glimpse to, you know, it felt like a more honest glimpse into their friendship where like Mary stopped by to check on the family. I mean, obviously they're still filming, but it was like, even in that brief glimpse, of this cameo, it just was very different vibes in like a Salt Lake City episode.

Mary seemed to be dressed more casual. You really saw the bond in the closeness. Anyways, it's a really charming show. I mean, it was, it's, I don't know if they're gonna always do this. I imagine they will, but like a housewife swaps with a fan, a normal wife with a very interesting life. The family that Angie swapped with was like living off the grid. Like a complete homestead.

I mean, it was just like, It's like no running water. You had a toilet with a plastic bag in it? I'm glad to know it's only, what, 24 hours, right? It was 48, right? It was like, two days. But, like, that's better than, I thought it was, like, a week. You know, like, poof.

Yeah. At least it's only two days. And it was cute to, like, Angie took the husband out, and he was like, she's, like, he's, like, he's, like, she taught me that, like, I can, oh, my God, it was just, it was very heartwarming and it was very sweet. Yeah. I think it was also really cute. for like

Elektra to like plant a little garden and like it was nice. I was like, she was so over that the team. She was so over it. She was like, when's this woman leaving? I know her name's not actually

Electric Catanavas. I don't know what Sean's last name is. Um, but to be electric Castanavis is a dream of mine. I would love. I would love her life. Well, we also had married at first sight. It's the new season.

It's stream. Is it now streaming on Peacock? I think it used to be on like a lifetamer or something. I don't know, hard to find, but if you, uh, if you are a Bravo fan and you, uh, are often find yourself on peacock, this is a wacky show. These people, they like seem normal, but then you like, you know they're not because they're marrying a stranger. Yeah.

Like what happened in your past relationship that you're marrying a stranger? And they're all like my eight, they're all like 27, like young. And I'm like, you still got time. Maybe. I'm here to advocate for these people. Because one, I think dating is hard, you know, and if you're out there and we talk to a lot of people and people are churning and burning through dates, and, you know, I think most of the problem when it comes to dating is the person you're looking at in the mirror. You know, it's just like

there's so many options. If things aren't perfect, we have lost the, like, kind of the old-fashionedness of like love, which is like you just, you make it fucking work. Obviously, it's crazy. I am just saying when you look at the stats of these relationships from the past, you know, you have 11 marriages, you have like 14 kids, they have better stats than Batch their nation. And I don't know, in a world where like people are lonelier than ever, I'm, who am I to judge? People are like, you know what, fuck it. Give me someone who wants to mitigate a marriage work to want to have a family that is like, I don't know. All I'm saying, it's not as like crazy as like people like us. would assume based of how we date and live our lives, that the happiness factor in these

relationships are far better than you would assume. I guess what's harder for me is just the love is blind. Like at least you have this like talking so you're like falling in love with someone's soul per se. But like to be married and then be like now I'm finding out everything about you like and I'm going to watch but I'm just like this that whole concept blows my mind. I want to find like are these like are they signing a marriage certificate because like destination wedding is very popular these days. If you go, let's say go to Mexico, for example, for your wedding, you're not actually married by that ceremony because you can't get legally married in Mexico if you're a United States

citizens. So often you will go to a courthouse prior to or following said ceremony. So I don't know where these wedding takes place. It seems like they're taking place in the States, but like you could have, you know, you could have a TV ceremony. I wonder if these are legally binding right off the jump. Okay, honestly, I kind of like locked into it more than love is blind. I think I was saying earlier that it does, I think the fact that they're married and they

both, everyone's like, whoa, kind of helps me suspend my disbelief a little bit more. Yeah. So I'm like, you know what? I think everyone is a bit self-aware that this is insane. So let's see how it goes. And I, because love is blind and like, I don't know, some of these other dating shows. I'm just like, okay, let's be for real. Well, the first two couples got married in episode one

where, like, to now, he's point, like, normal. Like, they're both attractive couples. They clearly are matching them with the intent of having this work out. They both seem like they're, you know, physical equals. They're attractive people. Compelling stories. Who's the one guy who's, like, his mom was in prison and he met his dad. It was Jaylon or Josh.

A couple weeks ago, and he's, like, a self-employed roofer who's making pretty good money will and brittany they're both kind of like i thought it was really cute where they're talking about like their types and they're both kind of describing like a nerd in a way yeah you know um but that was cute and trney was the interesting one to me because in like the like the intro she's the one that's crying at the end saying like i've never felt love like this before and i was like see that's emotion when he was talking to brittany's dad about like are you religious that was hilarious that was awesome he's like going into the history of no but your family loves Jesus Christ right and he's like well the crusades i don't know the christians killed a lot of people

the crusades were like really really devastating so and he was like all right well you play dominoes yeah he's like no but spades yeah he definitely wasn't will's definitely not like a people pleaser he's like i don't this is who no so i won't play dominoes with you but i will play spades i really liked him him even just like using because sometimes i'll use words and people are like why are you saying that word and i'm like can i not just use a vocab word for fun There's four episodes of Married at First Night streaming now on Peacock, and it's a little bit of a slow season, but before we get to, you know, some Bachelorette and some other love competition shows. So if you're looking for a jaw-jopping show where you can follow people falling in love, check this out. That will do it for this episode. Thank you to our guest, John Johnson, and her husband, Andrew East. Also, do not forget to check out tomorrow's going deeper with Brittany Bateman from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. It's an episode. You will. not want to miss. We got some amazing

guests for you on Thursday's episode of Reilly Recap. Janin Bador returns to the show along with Emily Baker, our legal correspondent, to get a little update on all things the Wendy Acefo arrest. Wendy is fighting back in the court of public opinion and

in the court of law. Emily Baker will be here to break it all down with us, plus probably give us some updates on some other celebrity legal battles going out there in the zeitgeist of pop culture. all that and more. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye-bye.