Most Of The Internet Needs To Be Fixed - WAN Show October 23, 2026
00:00Unlock unlimited free grocery delivery with PC Express Pass.Shop online and get the same low No Frills prices delivered.Get your first year of PC Express Pass for just $2.50 a month.Learn more at no frills.ca.What's up everybody?Welcome to The WAN show.Happy Friday.I think it's Friday somewhere.
00:21We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week.According to many sources, nearly 70% of known websites.use some version of PHP, which had a massive vulnerability exposed to this week.So we're going to be talking about how that went for us.Luke and I have not touched base on this.So we'll be having yet another classic.Linus and Luke have a business meeting in the middle of the WAN show when we do that topic.Also, I am in China.
00:51It is the most insane trip that I have ever done, which I think you know, Luke, is a pretty high bar.I've seen it six different hotels in six nights and done five different like factory tour slash video things that I hopefully I can even remember what they all were.What else we got going on this week?Well, bye, bioware is one that I'm sad to talk about.But yeah, we'll give her one of those.And I don't know.I kind of want to talk about, you know, Linus' China Trip is in here twice.That's funny.
01:36I kind of want to talk about Steam Next Fest as well.Maybe it's two gaming topics.You mean Steam Slop Fest?Yeah, exactly.Yeah, those are my two.Let's have a button, Dan.You got to do it.It was brought to you today by boot.gave, read, subscribe, and hammer on guitar.
02:20Also, alongside, of course, our rap partner Dbrand, our laptop partner Delinard, chair partner Razor, whose chair I definitely wish I had right now instead of this hotel room cart chair.Why don't we jump right into our big topic of the week, which is, of course, that on Tuesday this week, the PHP Foundation announced an upcoming patch for two critical vulnerabilities that was to be released the following day with plans to provide further details on 30.Thursday after those patches would be widely distributed.Except for one small problem.Before the patches could be released,details of the vulnerabilities were disclosed early on an online forumand things quickly accelerated out of hand.The vulnerability is collectively known as PHP 2 Shell
03:09impact all web servers running PHP 5.4 through 8.5,and could enable, in no particular order,denial of service, remote code execution, and data exposure attacks.Restricting file uploads and limiting upload sizes can reduce the risk,but only properly updating PHP can eliminate the vulnerability.These were independently discovered by Ryan Austin, a researcher at California-based security firmCaliph and a team of researchers and Alphabet subsidiary Wiz.Austin used OpenAI's GPT 5.6 sole model to help find it while,
03:48Whiz also used Gemini for Argon and their own Wiz Atlas in their research.Fowdflare CEO Matthew Price posted to X on Wednesday saying,in the 10 hours before PHP 2 Shell was publicly announced,we saw thousands of attempts to exploit it.That jumped to tens of thousands in the 45 minutes post announcement,hundreds of thousands within two hours and millions now.that iscrazy
04:18I think it's timeLuke for us to officiallysayinternet too fasteverybody slow downeverythingstop all the downloadedyou wouldn't download a car
04:33would you?It's so many timesyou don't understandyeahmillionsmillions within hoursthat'sCrazy.
04:45I mean, it's, it's, this type of stuff was already happening.And now with the ability for people to just kind of vibe code bots really quickly,it's just accelerating that type of stuff.But this was already kind of how these attacks worked,as people would set up a script for,for bots to just kind of roam and find potentially vulnerable servers and attack them.So I'm not, I'm not surprised it was that many.I feel like this is something we haven't really talked about that much on WAN show, though.
05:12Just the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,turbocharging of script kitties in the AIH.Because now, without ever even cracking open a coding for dummies textbook, literally anyone can just say, hey, I have an LLM without guard brails.Here's this new exploit.You know, help me use it to benefit in some way.Like, it's millions.And, like, obviously, some of those are just going to be agents that are acting on behalf of a smaller number of actors, right?But we are still almost certainly talking about a larger population of script kitty style hackers than at any other point in history.
06:04Like, Slop Kitties, apparently is the new term, says Brandenomium.in float plane chat yeah that makes sense yeah i mean it's it's been happening for like quite a while now umi just it's yet another thing that i just didn't really it would not occur to me luke to go oh wow a codingl llm i should use that to um exploit vulnerabilities and just generally cause mayhem so it's notthe kind of thing that i think about but yeah obviously somebody's doing it yeah and i meanpeople have been doing it in a defensive manner this entire time as well, where you can kindof red team yourself, where you can be trying to make something for the public or for yourselfor whatever, and then try to get it to attack it so that you can find these types of problems
06:58and then solve them preemptively. So it's just, I don't know, it's just another tool in thetoolkit. I'm not trying to diminish it. Like, this.was this whole vulnerability chain was was found using AI stuff as far as my understanding goesthe fix was done using AI stuff uh so vulnerability found and the exploits are AI stuff yeaheverybody just has giant hammers now yeah the way i've been kind of describing it is like everyoneit's it's um everyone's gun in the standoff basically um yeah i mean that that same conversation waskind of coming around when, oh, sorry, I left the door open.Sorry, everyone here are the birds.
07:47They get excited when I project.I don't know, man.I kind of miss them.I think you should leave it open.You want to, oh, they say the birds are welcome back to the show.They want the birds on the show.Sorry, yeah.Yeah, it was popping the door back open.
08:00All right, yeah.Yeah, they're in a different room.No, we're united.We're united.The birds are back.Well, you got chickens and now you're suddenly like super cool with the birds.Yeah, brother.I don't think they ever objected to the birds.
08:16What are you talking about?No, that's true.Yeah, I don't think you did.They're just chilling with us.They are in a different room, so it shouldn't be way too loud.But yeah, like this was being talked about when there was a conversation.I think we talked about on Wancho.I'm not sure.
08:32But somebody synthesized a virus, not a software virus, like a biological virus.using AI as part of the process.And I want to go way through the whole story and everything.This particular virus was supposed to be very helpful.It was supposed to attack bad things that were in your body.Still called the virus, but it was supposed to be good for you.But that conversation propped up a bunch of different conversations about, like,could this be used for bad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
09:02And one of the main counter conversations were like,yes, but the people trying to solve the problem would also have it.which is just like,I don't know, man.It's just gone too far.Yeah, but it's effectively the same scenario.Like someone with a bunch of AI stuff found a problem.So some other people with a bunch of AI stuff solved the problem.
09:26And then honestly, a bunch of other people using a bunch of AI stuffimplemented fixes to solve the problem.Okay.So, and they all have a plan for like, you know,tackling the power and fresh water.situation, right? We're going to use AI to solve it.Nah.Nah.
09:44You sure?No, sure?Because I think we could.I think we could.Nah.All right.Let me finish this topic.Cloudflare did quickly add mitigations to their free and paid web application firewall
09:56rule sets, but still recommends that all PHP users update as soon as possible.And around the world, many government and private sector websites were taken offline while waiting for patches.According to many sources, nearly 70% of no-websites use some version of PHP and the language is the basis of many major webframeworks including WordPress, Drupal, and MediaWiki, which powers Wikipedia.Insane. I'm going to skip a little bit here. An unsung hero in all of this is AndreSuri. I'm not even, okay, dev.suri.org, s-U-R-Y.org and his repository there for the last20 years or so. He has voluntarily maintained and automated Debian and Ubuntu packages
10:40for php versions that no longer get official supportbut are still widely relied upon around the web.Wow, that's cool.So he was a huge part of helping older versionsget the fixes backportedbecause the PHP project only actively supports version 8.4 and later.And only 8.2 and up get security support.That's pretty cool.
11:07That's awesome.PHP 2 Shell clearly shows how AI and LLMs change the equation when evaluating weaknesses in code.The vulnerable code had been present for more than a decade, but turning those weaknesses into working exploits required chaining multiple bugs together, accounting for how PHP would allocate and reuse memory across requests over different versions of PHP on different platforms.A successful attack that works against one configuration would require significant adjustments to work on another, and attack set scale would be difficult.AI and LLMs lower the barriers, making vulnerabilities that we'reonce seemed impractical to exploit and now viable targets.So, Luke, I just wanted to kind of check in and go, hey, did we have anyPHP related shenanigans this week?
11:52Like, the forum is usually kind of the redheaded stepchild of our development projects.We have a couple of PHP things.We are predominantly a JavaScript outfit, but, you know, when you're hostinga bunch of stuff that you didn't necessarily make.It's going to end up in there.But our IT peeps are the first way that I heard about this.I got message this from like a bazillion people,but the IT people were the first people to message it
12:24and were on it right away.So it was swept up and taken care of quickly.Yeah, not really a ton to talk about.Good job IT teams.the same people that responded to the like why floatplane stream no work the same people thatresponded to that so yeah jonathan a j thank you good job yeah okay shout out those guys i'm glad wemanaged to you know not have a remote code execution issue uh all right do you want to pick anothertopic sure so i was just turning you up um let's talk about this one i saw some people in
13:04floatplane chat be like they haven't released a good game in forever andThat might be kind of true, but I'm still sad.EA is shutting down BioWare and cutting around 400 jobs across EA,which I think includes not just BioWare.BioWare is the studio behind Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Nightseville Republic.And even saying each one of those just makes me very sad because they're all amazing in their day.The next Mass Effect game, which was still in early development, is also being scrapped.EA indicates it's focusing on bigger opportunities.
13:37But after a $55 billion buyout that saddled the company with substantial debt,the cost-cutting element of those moves is a little hard to ignore and is for sure the goal.BioWare confirmed the news on Twitter, thank him for years of support.Shortly afterward, BioWare's demise started circulating, a trailer of the next Mass Effect Game,Mass Effect Universe, leaked on Reddit, which is, oh, man, that makes so much sense.I can imagine a lot of people would do that if they were in that case.The trailer shows an N7-clad ex-military character, an Asari encounter, and some squad combat.Nathan, the writer of this, liked the vibes.
14:16The footage was confirmed as authentic, though it uses pre-production assets.Don't worry, everyone, apparently.Amazon's Mass Effect TV show is apparently still alive, so the studio can die,but they can still make some pay-to-subscribe videos about it.According to IGN, the series remains in development, despite BioWare's closure.I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think,this is Nathan talking, I'm going to go out on a limb hereand say that I think most of you would prefer the new game
14:44instead of the show.That's probably true, but then you also see how well fallout's doing,and it's, who knows.Although a lot of the fallout viewers might be fromFallout Shelter the mobile game, and that also makes me sad.Just a lot of things in this thread that make me sad.EA says it'll keep investing in Battlefield, Apex Legend,Star Wars Jedi, Jedi, Star Wars Jedi 3.
15:06Okay, I didn't know that.Marvel's Iron Man, it's annual sports games, of course,and a new open world football project?What's an open world football project?I don't have a single clue.Okay.Do you have to, like, walk home after practice or something?You know what?
15:31A, like, athlete role-playing game?might actually go pretty hard.I really liked,this one's much more like comical and satirical,but I've talked about a Wancho before.I really liked a game called golf story,and it was like a golf RPG,and you had to do things off course and whatnot.
15:57I actually thought it was really cool,but like a more serious one,or at least not like,you know, pixel animated comedy kind of game.Could be interesting.I don't think I've ever heard of something like that before.I want a real Blitz back.Blitz was really fun, but anyways.
16:15On top of that stuff, a new shooter is in developmentfor respawn and dice.As far as my understanding goes, they're working on this together.It's reportedly likely Star Wars Battle Fund 3.Meanwhile, the Sims team is apparently being redirectedfrom one Sims project to another.And the skate team is sticking around but getting cuts.Man, it must be interesting being the skate team right now,
16:40watching everyone vibe code your game into every single other game.It must be weird being any company where you get a massive buyout,and for some reason, you end up with a bunch of debt.Like, I just, I am, it's so bizarre watching people who have the knowledge and the connectionsto do this kind of financial engineeringfalling for it over and over and over againor I shouldn't say falling for itbut like whoever is going to get
17:17you know boned in this rightwe've seen it over and over and over againand it's likehow could they do this to me a 20th timeevery single time it happensI just, I don't really, I don't really understand it.I thought the whole idea was that, you know, when you get, when you get a buyout, you actually,as an injection that you should be able to use to like do cool stuff.
17:49But these like leveraged buyouts seem like they are explicitly designed to just destroy the company and then extract everything that it was.was worth and leave someone holding the bag.Yeah. Yeah. I mean,I kind of brutal.Honestly, I agree. What's that lastMass Effect game that came out that was justhorrible? It was an Indromeda or something?I'm pretty sure we trashed on Land Show like a ton.
18:23I don't know.But like, yeah, it'sbeen a bit sincea lot of those games thatI really did love.Like the first, I think it's the first two Dragon Age games were incredible.And then it just, yeah, felt like they kind of fell off.The first one was really great.
18:46The second one got kind of dumbed down.And that's saying a lot because Dragon Age Origins was already pretty dumbed down for like a, like a, like a D&D based style of game.I wasn't sure if Origins was the first one or not.So only the first one that is what I played.I just played Origins.Oh, okay.Yeah, Dragon's Origins was really good.But I went back from that and I like tried to play like Never Winter Nights 2 or like Baldersgate 2 or something.
19:16And I was like, yo, what is going on here?Like they are very D&D.Like you need to have read manuals in order to play.Oh, dude, Never Winter's Night's 2 is an ancient game.To be fair.Yeah.And it was not it was not a use.friendly transition but I was like I enjoyed Dragon Age origins though and I just like I wanted more of
19:39that and it was like oh yeah it's kind of a it's kind of a d and d alike and I was like oh okay well I'mgonna go try and find more of that and then there like really wasn't that I feel like the modernmore of that is Baldersgate um Ballersgate three but yeah Mass Effect the first threeyou know very controversial ending on a third but the first three were goaded um nice deal ofRepublic, obviously.But it's just, yeah, it's been a longtime. Dude, aseven when I was like
20:09a Star Wars fanatic,I tried to get into Cotor andI couldn't. And this iscoming from someone who played the entiretyof the Phantom Menace video game.I just, Idon't know why I couldn't playKnights of the Old Republic. I'm even
20:25an RPG guy. Like I'll playI'll play Final Fantasy all day.Like I, oh man,chat is not going to be happy with me about this but i just i found that i found the controls just sowonky and unpleasant to interact with uh yeah i mean going back to it i've found that the controlshave aged very poorly i never played it when i was growing up either and i tried to go back to itand the controls were really rough what i ended up doing was i watched a lore videothat broke down like what happens in the game and some of
21:04some of the cinematics and different things like that.And I was like, okay, cool.I think I got from it what I'll get from it because, yeah,trying to jump back on Kotor like 15 years later was not a smooth experience.But, I mean, going back into that universe and making a game of that style,but with like modern controls and UI and all that fun stuff would be really cool.It just never happened.Honestly, it feels a little.
21:35a lot like 3-4-3where it'sjust like, what'shappened? What have you donethat was like good in the lastincredibly long amountof time? Andyeah, I mean, it really
21:54sucks seeing 400 jobs gone,but I'm notsurprised.Yeah.Not that surprised.Hey, in some coolergaming news, guess whatjust went gold.
22:12What?Tape to tape.Oh, really? Okay, so what does that mean? It went gold. What does that mean?1.0, baby.Oh, I thought it meant like it sold a certain amount of copies or something.No, that's like, that's an old software term. It means like the final code ready to, ready to be printed onto disc media.Okay, well, I'll respect the term when they ship me at tape to tape disc.Whatever.
22:45Have you played it yet?It's 1.0.Have you played it yet?It's 1.0.It's out.They've got a great new trailer up on the Steam pagethat has like new cinematicsand all kinds of like new gameplay stuff
22:58that I've never seen before.Even as like an early access tester.It's on a 10% discount introductory offer.So you guys can go check that out.that's for the next week or so. I think it's well worth the, I have no idea how much it costsright now because my, my steam is in Hong Kong dollars for some reason. So maybe if you guyswant to have a quick look. I'm looking. It's on a 10% discount right now. So it's 2339 Canadian,whatever that means for you, American. Okay, 1799 USD. There we go. Yeah, 18 bucks. It's 100% worth
23:39$18 of your harder money.Just go do it.It's an absolute blast. You don't have toreally know or care about hockeythat much. And if you want to play with your friends,you only need to buy one of it.Yeah.It's like a great value that way. You just use Steam Remote
23:57Play or Parsec. And then you caneffectively play locally, but over the internet.It's always a bit of an effort toconvince all of yourfriends to buy a game that you want toto play. But for this one, you just buy the game and then say, hey, let's all play the game,which is pretty sweet. So, hi, Josh asks, do you think tape to tape would be more obscurewithout your guys' endorsements? According to the tape to tape guys, yes. They apparently put me in
24:27the game. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm in there. So, yeah, I doubt I'm a player. I'm probably a,I'm probably just like a spectator in the crowd.Because a lot of their early backers also have their faces in the crowd.So I'm looking forward to seeing.Yeah, they asked me like which, which Linus to use.Like use like the classic wide Linus selfie or like sad Linus or whatever.I basically told them surprise me.Just pick something and I'll enjoy the surprise.
25:03I assumed you were going to be like one of the, you know, you run into.to like the different nodes as you progress the roguelike campaign that you're going to be likeone of those people i have i doubt it i doubt it i mean i've i've talked about the game because i thinkit's pretty cool i've given some some gameplay feedback and stuff but it's not like i was likedid that much so i'm i'm sure that they uh they just caught me in the crowdwould be nice if you guys were announcers dude that would be so sickthat would be so coolI don't know if it has announcers
25:38I think it has fighting now thoughI haven't gotten a chance to play it yetI'm I don't know I'm tornI'm torn LukeI'm tempted to play it on the plane on the way homebut I'm also downif you want to do our first run togetherwe could do that
25:52Ohhave you played yetno or obviously you haven'tyou didn't even know it was 1.0 yetno I knew it was 1.0let's do a run when I get homelet's do a run when I get homeLet's do a run when I get home, all right?
26:03Do you want to do...Okay, I mean, I'm down with that in general.Do you want to play it after-party Wancho next week?Oh, I don't want to wait a week, dude.No, no, no, no.I mean, we can play before then.Do you also want to play after-party next week?Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm down.
26:20Yeah, I'm down.We could do an after-party.Heck, yeah.I think we actually have some sort of takeover next week,and we have to play games on the Wanshow.Oh, really?Oh.Wait, wait, really?
26:30Can it be any game?It might work out perfectly.I'll find out from the business team and we'll work.No way.So that's even better.Okay, so Luke,I have like a streaming setup that I have wanted to motivate myself to bother setting up for a while.And this could be the perfect opportunity to do it.
26:54Because I think what's solved already is how to stream with everybody gaming remotely.and what's solved already is how to stream with everybody in the same room.But what's not really, in my opinion, solved too well yet is like a hybrid.So having people call in and also having gamers in the same room on a decent audio setupand having the whole thing work.So what I kind of want to do is I want to rig up my theater room with like a shotgun micthat has like a really narrow pickup patternfor gamers on the couch
27:35and then also be able topipe in people remotely.So maybe we could get together like a five person squadand then you know anyone who can come overwill hang out in the theater roomand we'll just all be on the one micand then we can kind of grab everyone elseand just add them to the stream
27:56from their remote chat.You know, don't give me too many details for obvious reasons.But let me know, like, when you're going to be back and stuff,and we can set this up, because I'd like to, I want to jump on it.I have been waiting.I did know it launched, but I have been, I have been waiting.Yeah, when do you, when do you stream?Because we could stream it.
28:17Normally Fridays after when, but I could also just, I would ideally do that at other times as well.I just usually don't end up doing that.Nice.I don't exactly have a schedule.I don't exactly take it super seriously.All right, we'll have to find afind a night that makes sense.Yeah.
28:38I'm so stoked.Actually, guys, they are, they're broadcasting right now.They've been live for five and a half hoursin like a watch the developer play stream.It's interesting seeing how they use all the abilities and stuff.Because they're definitely doing stuffthat I wouldn't think to do, even though I have like hundreds of hours in the game.I also haven't seen how all of the finished abilities are balanced and everything,
29:04because I'm sure the game is a little more balanced now than it was.Where are they live?Are they live just through like...Steam?It's like on Steam.Like on Steam store page.I went to their Twitch and they're not live there.Classic.
29:24Classic developers.Oh, they're on console now too.I don't know if you know that.No, I didn't know thatYeah, they're on Xbox,PS5 and SwitchThe one platformIf you have an option,
29:43the platform I would avoid though is XboxBecause Switch and PS5Do seem to have some kind of a wayTo do remote multiplayerWhereas Xbox doesn'tSoI know, and for sure,sure PC does. So my preferred platform for the game would definitely be Steam. And then I was in the
30:07Discord the other night and people were speculating that there's ways to do remote localmultiplayer on both PS5 and Switch, but there isn't on Xbox. So take this for the third handinformation that it is. Yeah. So just it's it's definitely, it's fun by yourself, but it is bestenjoyed with friends. So to avoid buying two copies of the game,Maybe target a platform that you can also enjoy it with Friends on.Well, and hold on.Is it still true that you can't even use buying two copies of the game to play together?Like, they don't have multiplayer.
30:45Yeah, no, what I mean buying two copies of the game is buying it for Xbox and then realizing I can't play with my friends and then buying it again on Steam.Yeah.Yeah.PlayStation Store says offline play enabled and remote play supported.I don't know if that means remote multiplayer thoughI don't actually have a ton of familiarity with remote multiplayer on PlayStationso I'm gonna I'm gonna leave it to the to the PlayStation Pilled folks to kind of figure that outyeah I don't know what that means in this context yeah could that could that even be like that
31:20what is it even called PS portable or PS portal or whatever it's calledyeah that could mean that not sureOkay, speaking about Steam, Steam Next Fest got sloppified.On Reddit, Steam users are complaining that Steam's Next Fest, its showcase for upcoming indie games, has been flooded by low effort AI-generated games.Steam users want a way to filter out AI-generated content.They're concerned AI-made artwork and games are overwhelming the festival and making genuinely interesting indie titles harder to discover.And one of the problems is, like, how do you even do that?Like, how do you filter stuff?
32:04And I'm sure you can make certain things.Like, I know images, a lot of images can be fingerprinted.I suspect that's going to be.Assuming they use a model that fingerprints, though.That's true.Yeah.That's someone who's trying to get a game published might put a little bit more effort in.And then, you know, I'm just waiting for the first false positive
32:24and how well that's going to go over.Yeah.The many news articles that would inevitably happen about that,like it'soofmeanwhileours technicahold on actually I want to talk about that
32:39yeahhold on I'm trying to findI watched a reallya really greatvideoonon YouTube the other daythat was basically
32:52about thathold onit was likeAI is killing scienceYouTube orsomethinglike that. Oh, it's a problem, yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to find it.It's not the Kyrzykostat one from two weeks ago. Man, why can I not? Why can I not find this?
33:22Okay, fine. Talk for a little bit and then I really want to talk about this awesome video.Yeah, sure, we can jump back to that. Meanwhile, as a court, meanwhile,while, according to Ars Technica, some developers are now afraid to share demos and early prototypesbecause AI tools make it easier. Oh, I found it. Okay. It was from Fern. That makes sense.Yep. So Fern did a really, really great video on this problem. Uh, it is, wait.Where is it? Ah, here it is. It's from a month ago. The Death of Educational Content on YouTube.And basically what's happening is so many AI channels and even entire like organizations building tools for people to to mass produce these AI channels and this AI content.So many of them are ripping off Fern's visual aesthetic and Fern's style that people who don't know better are accusing Fern.
34:31of being AI slopbecause all the AISlop looks like his original styleThat's so brutalThat's happened with artists tooThere's there's some models that seem to be overtrainedOn like one particular artistSo everyone thinks that artist is just AI Slop stuff now
34:54And it's like well no that's just kind ofWhat they didUmit's interestingI've had some conversations with peopleabout this recently about how you canlike you can kind of tellwho made what
35:12like I had somebody send me like a picture they thought was funnyrecently which they generated using AIand it had like a person in the middle and stuff aroundthem and it was very clear that they put in a prompt of likethe person should look kind of like thisand then these are their like interests in the things about themAnd there was like a stack of books in the bottom left-hand corner and the titles on the spine were like the things that the person very clearly typed in.They were interested in and stuff like that.
35:38And I was like, oh, yeah, that's, oh, I actually almost don't want to say what it is.So I wonder how many people just off of that description could guess it in chat.I bet you a decent amount.I'll let the stream delay happen and just say it now, which is chat GPT.Chat GPT just loves doing that.So there's a lot of, I mean, you got emailed while you're away on your trip.You got emailed.You responded to it.
36:07But I bet you you know what I'm talking about.You got a solicitation email.Oh, we talked about that on WAN show last week.Wait, did we?Yeah, from OpenAI?No, no, no, no, no, no.Oh, what?Linus, let me try to find this.
36:25Oh, is this new?Sorry, did I?I'm pretty sure it's been since you left.Yeah.Hi, I'm X, your local senior account manager at Y.I've been a huge fan of the content Linus Media Group produces,and I've been closely following the expansion of LT2 Labs and Floatplane,knowing the extreme technical demands of high-end video production, N-Dash.
36:52From moving massive AK files to keeping your on-the-go cruise connected at conventions,N-Dash, I wanted to reach out.It's just like, no, you're not.Shut up.Oh, oh, this is so funny.Oh, I forgot about this.Did you go find that you?Yeah, whatever.
37:13No, let's just name and shame.So this was some Verizon.Yeah.So I'm fake name, your senior account manager at Verizon Business.Blah, blah, blah, huge fan.We help digital media powerhouses streamline their workflowswith ultra-fast 5G business internet and relaunched.liable mobility solutions, whether it's providing a rock solid failover connection so the
37:33WAN show never dropped or ensuring your production team can collaborate seamlessly on set.We have the infrastructure to support your continued scale.And basically I responded.So this is the reason you saw my email.I said, I'm Canadian.Please add me to your do not solicit list.Literally couldn't subscribe if I wanted to.Yeah.
37:52Yeah, no, I saw that come through.But it's not targeted, but it's framed as if it is targeted.So basically they just tell their LLM, hey, write a hyper-personalized sales pitch for this, find every YouTuber and type them a hyper-personalized pitch.They have a written thing that they spent a little bit of time on, which starts at the at Verizon.And above that, that paragraph right above that is just a pure plopped.actually I would even genuinely say very low effort they didn't even try to tune it they didn't do anything very low effort AIO put and they just scattergunned it wild man um sorry you can you can continue this topic I had just wanted to talk about that video from Fern because I just I watched it the whole 30 minutes is outstanding because it's friend um yeah yeah and I it was just inraptured, a really good video and absolutely terrifying.We need to be so vigilant and YouTube needs to do something.
39:07They are doing things, but they need to do more.And it's tough because I wouldn't want to be in their position.We're moving into a world where enabled directly by YouTube, you know, AI is going to be part of the workflow and probably is already.part of the workflow of your favorite creators.Yeah.It will be.It probably already is.Yeah.
39:34But there's a line somewhere where it goes from AI assisted human work to pure slop.And there can't be any money in this pure slop thing or it's never going to stop.It won't even slow down.It will accelerate.You know, what does that look like?Right? Does that look like YouTube, you know, just not only disabling the monetization, but also, you know, changing the terms of the partner program so that, you know, you have to wait some number of months. You have to wait six months. You have to wait a year to actually withdraw any money. And if you're found to be just like AI slop farm, then they just take all of that and they put it into a fund to accelerate development of anti-AI slop tools internally at YouTube.Like, how do you create a flywheel that stifles thisas opposed to what we have right now,
40:32which is a flywheel that enables it,where the faster and the more of these channels you can pump out,the more you can benefit from them?And I don't have a good answer to that right now.Yeah.That's very tough.You know what?Yeah, let's do business meeting on when?
40:58Who cares?Why not?Everyone internally loves it when we do these.I've heard really good feedback.But yeah, no, I mean, there's been a bunch of people poking me recently about, like, hey, we need like a more official AI policy internally.And we need to, like, pick some tools and do things like that.And it's like, okay, I was kind of trying to bide my time a little bit.And my reasoning for that is because it's largely based around, you know, Dan and I actually talked about this after last WAN show.
41:35But you remember when Chatty-3 first dropped and on every single WAN show we would have to debate with the audience about them, a lot of them, not all of them, not even a majority of them, but a sizable amount of people in the audience thinking that they had jail broken it and gotten it to go on the internet.But it was really just gaslighting them and they were wrong.It really did seem like it was so it was so certain of itself thatit was so certain of itself.It was very good at taking.The scariest liars believe their own lies.Yeah.Right?
42:12The most convincing ones.And it would take context cues, you know,like people didn't really consider how much context they were giving them.They'd give them a full URL.It was a masterclass and how psychics work.Yeah.Oh, that's really interesting.Yeah.
42:25That's true, though.Because you take a little bit of context.You'd run with what you could.You'd make up stuff that would be a little bit hard to refruit.Like I remember one time to prove that it wasn't happening, I gave it a URL that did not go anywhere.But it was to like an optician's information website.And I made the URL look highly believable to it being real.And I asked it what was there.
42:54And it gave me.a bunch of information about optical scienceand all this other kind of stuff.And it's like, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.Not true, but it makes a lot of sense.And the difficulty of fighting through people on thatand needing to do it every single weekprepared me for how gaslit people
43:15are gonna be able to get from AI.And one of the problems is with agentic tools,it feels like we just restarted from zero.because you kind of like the zeitgeist around AIseems to have convinced people that, you know,it does make mistakes a lot.But then they hook it up in an agentic fashionand it's using other tools,
43:39it's using other skills,it's, you know, it's tool-calling things,it's interacting with the computer,it's doing whatever.And now magically everyone thinks it's perfect again.And it's like, oh, man,and the craziest part is that this is the WANSHO audience,talking about, which is by and
43:56large, I would sayI would say not just one,but like two orders ofmagnitude, more tech savvythan you're just your typicalperson who's using Muse right now.Like I would,I would stand behind that
44:12the WAN show audience is probably a hundredtimes morecapable than the averageperson using MuseAI agent.Like, and that's,who is in some cases struggling with this.Like I don't know how to,
44:30I don't know how to deal with this man.Like the amount of the amount of trust that people in my life,like random normies in my life have is mind blowing.And also sometimes the the amount of savviness that people have is really surprising to me.Like I use my aunt a lot as an example of just a non-tech savvy person.right like she's she's a smart person she's a a good person but she's not a particularly tech savvy personbut you know what she has though is she has a self-awareness and a street smart that i feel likea lot of boomers and especially a lot of young people are kind of lacking where she knows that she
45:21doesn't know. And so she has a skepticism toward these tools that I feel like is missing from some ofthe people that have that are growing up with them. If that kind of makes sense to you. Yep.Like she just is dismissive entirely of, you know, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of,response. And and I was like I was so I was so proud of her because you know it's like a stereotypefor boomers right like getting bamboozled by by AI slop and and AI stories and I was just likeyou know as she gets older right like I've been worried that you know maybe it'll be moreof a problem for her to end up down these rabbit holes and end up getting ripped off orend up, you know, getting hurt in some way.
46:16And, and, and to her credit, one of the things she's done really well is if she's not sure,she will just not assume things and she'll ask.And, you know, maybe, maybe that's, maybe that's the answer, right?Like, maybe, maybe that's what we advocate for is as, as these tools continue to get moreand more convincing, just reminding people, don't trust.Don't trust it.Not even trust but verified.Like actually just don't trust it.
46:45One of the problems is I just don't trust people.And it's it's I don't trust people to not get bamboozled by it.And it's I've seen it so many times.And it like, I don't know.When I started watching people start using a.agentic tools and just thinking that it was magic and flawless and not making mistakes again,I just felt very tired, to be honest.I was like, really, we have to do...
47:23Root 26. I just felt very tired.You and the rest of the world, brother.Yeah, it's just like really this, this again, like it's the same thing.I have to tell you the same information.Like it's not even like, oh, it's similar this time.It's like, no, it's exactly the same problem.And I mean, I still get, you know, somebody said that's because they forgot to add the prompt, make no mistakes.Dude, we get messages in floatplain chat every once in a while.
48:03So I'm being like, hey, man, I got this new prompt and it's amazing.It doesn't make mistakes anymore.And it's like, that's literally impossible.that did not just happen.I'm sorry, but you just fooled yourself.So I forget if it was like a post on Reddit or if it was an email someone sent to me,but it was basically just like you and Luke are so far off the mark.It's so good now and hearing you guys perpetuate this narrative that it hallucinates all the time
48:37is just tells me that you guys have no idea what you're talking aboutand I was just likeI don't remember if I respondedbut I might have done the thing where I type up a responseand I don't bother pressing sendbecause there's certain people that are just sothey're so pilledthat they're clearly beyond the point of no return
48:59and all it will do if I argue with them is it will justfrustrate meI wish I could go back and tellyou know, 15 year old blindness, this new philosophy I have around arguing on the internet,because it would have saved me a lot of frustration and I don't think 15 year old Linus wouldhave listened. No, he would have argued and gotten some gray hair from the process.Yeah. Dude, I mean, I look, I mean, that's that's what I built my career on is likedesperately wanting people to to make the right decision. Like I spent, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
49:37got my job at the computer store because all I did in my spare time was sit on their forum and help people get better value for their dollar.That was all I wanted to do.And so, you know what?15 year old Linus, kind of based, honestly, but definitely argumentative.Anyway, the point that I'm trying to get at here is I got this, I got this message from this person.And what I wanted to say back to them was, was like, dude, how can you?you possibly think what you think. Like it's actually impossible to be rational, to be, to have afunctioning pair of neurons and have the stance that you do that this stuff doesn't make mistakes.
50:23The segment, the segment you're citing, the segment on WAN show that you are citing literally hadus demonstrating hallucinations in it. You could see for yourself. But this is, this is the kind ofblindness that people have. Like it's it's beyond it's beyond logic and rationality. It's it'sfaith now and it's kind of the one of the one of here I'm almost done yeah one of the bestexamples that I've seen of the kind of sort of faith based hallucination that people can haveis if you if you go and you read accounts of the discovery of the holy lance from I forget whichcrusade it was. But basically there's these there's these firsthand accounts of what happened. And this guylike did a trial by fire to, you know, prove the, the authenticity of this like holy lance.
51:21The lance that like, you know, stabbed Jesus when he was on the cross. And depending on whowatched, the guy survived the trial by fire. And it was a miracle.and the Holy Lance is real,or the guy was catastrophically burned and died a few days later.And these are contemporaneous accounts of what happened.And it's just like, it was really eye-opening to mebecause people just see whatever it is they want to see.And a lot of the time it just has absolutely nothing to do with reality, nothing.
52:02And so that's what you're up against.You're up against people who are the bigger hallucinators, honestly,compared to an AI these days as far as I can tell.Yeah, and it's kind of frustrating because there is a lot of cool stuff you can do with it.Like there's a lot of menial, annoying.It's going to be your worst day this week because you have to do this task type of crap.that you can offload to it.There's,
52:35there's,there is cool stuff you can do,but I'm like scared of letting it loose,or I was scared of letting it loosebecause of just watching people just get so,like, ankles, broken, juked, bamboozled constantly.And like, I'm, I'm with you, man.Like, I, the video's not out yet,
52:59but I, I just built, like, an AI,station for my own use at home.Yeah, local AI stuff is so cool.Yeah.I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep learning more.One of the, one of the places that I visited while I was over here was unitary.And, you know, obviously, the kind of stuff that we're going to do with humanoid and and quadrupedal robotics and AI is like, it's science fiction, man.Like, it's, it's, if you, I, like, I'm so torn.
53:32right? Because I see the danger of it as a creative professional. I am outraged at the at the masstheft of my entire life's work. But as a as a tech enthusiast, God, it's cool. Like it, the stuff thatthat we can do with it is incredible and we're just getting started. Like it's, it's so funny becauseI've come across discussions about, you know, about my apparent views.on AI and people will listen to me talk about it on WAN show or talk about it in our videos and comeaway with with the entire spectrum there are people that think that i am like hyper ai piled there arepeople that think that i am super anti-AI and i feel like this is just yet another example ofhow we've just lost all nuance like you can't you can't you can't you can't be
54:32anything other than left wing or right wing in politics.You can't, I feel like even agnosticism with respect to religion is like out of favor.Like you have to be either religiously religious or religiously atheist or you're like,you haven't picked aside.And it feels the same way with AI where I'm looking at it going like, yeah, I'm really excited about local.I'm not excited about the level of inference that companies can do about me.in my life and everyone around me if I interact with cloud models. I'm upset. I'm really angry aboutthe way that I was stolen from. I'm fearful of what it means for for my career and my team's careers
55:18going forward. Like I don't know if this will be sustainable forever. Like there's there's so there'sam I not allowed to have mixed emotions about something and and not just the emotional side, but the,but the rational side, am I not allowed to recognize that this is not black and white?And I feel stuck.Yeah, it's tough, man.And this is largely why, yeah, I stayed away from doing this really at work.Because I knew there was like a couple people here there dabbling with it at work,but it didn't seem like it was that much.
56:01And okay, cool, we're just kind of prodding along.waiting for these things to evolve.If I actually wrote a, like, this is how we use it as a company thing,it would have to change every week anyways, blah, blah, blah, blah.And then something happened.Oh, also, actually, before we go on, Dan, I would love if you told the story about your lightsif you're willing to.Yeah, do you want that now or a bit lighter?
56:26What do you fancy?Now would be great, actually.Dan's light story.Yeah, sure.I mean, you had mentioned earlier, like, everybody was able to pick up on an AI hallucinationwhen it just made stuff up when you're talking to it.It was kind of obvious.Yeah.
56:43And how we're kind of gone back to square one with these agents.And now everybody just thinks they're amazing and smart.Well, when I was setting up my local agent to control my lights,I had it hooked in with Odysseus, and Odysseus hooked into homestine.And I was going through some of the testing just to make sure that it was working properly.And I asked it, how many lights are there in the office?And it immediately went, oh, yeah, okay, I can do that.And then all of the lights in the entire house turned off.
57:19And then it went, oh, God, oh no.I've accidentally turned off all the lights.I ran the wrong command.I don't know how to fix this.I'm going to try this command.Okay, that didn't work.Oh god, I better tell the user that I did this.Oh, crap, how do I fix this?
57:37Oh, no, I can't restore what they were before at the brightness level because I've lost that.I'm going to try this other command.Okay, I've figured out the right one.I've turned back on all the lights.There's four.I'm so sorry that I turned all the lights off.Oops.Okay, yeah, really smart conversation.
57:58It used like 60,000 tokens to figure all that out.Nice, solid.Yeah, but, okay, this is an example of an AI having a hallucination with a tool, not just in your conversation.It's made a mistake using a tool.And if you start hooking this into your databases or if you hook this into your programming or if you hook this into your lights,it's going to make mistakes just like it does in your conversation, which you used to think it would just lied all the time.And now the second that you give it access to, you know, your home system, you think it's going to be perfect now?No, the same stuff's going to happen.
58:37It's still a conversation.It's just conversing with a website or an API call or a codebase or something like that and it still makes mistakes.It's the same thing.And to be clear, I'm still going to do it.Oh, hell yeah.It was hilarious.I was laughing for like a half hour.You're just watching its thought process and it just over and over and over again trying to fix it and learning.
58:58Yeah, so, okay, one of the changes that have happened at work, and I wanted people to know that context just because that's, I was talking earlier about how like for some reason people seem to, now that we're moving to agentic stuff, everyone seems to think that it's all perfect again and I'm frustrated.Here's a, here's a fun story from Dan about how it's not.But one of the problems that I'm having is over the last relatively short period of time, I don't know what happened, I don't know what changed.I don't know if there's something in the water.Clearly everyone's sick.Maybe it's related to that.I don't know.But people have started using their own, like, brought from home, you know, subscriptions to tools
59:44or whatever other tools and just hooking it into stuff.And I'm like, okay, well, this is way worse.So time for us to have some, like, official tools and a policy, I guess,because I'd way rather it wasn't like,you know, everyone bring their own custom hammer from home.So I think the timer on me being like, you know, if we just don't do this, then, you know,people just won't do it and it will be fine is over.People are just going to do it.
01:00:19Yeah.So, yeah.But it's tough.I talk to a bunch of friends that work at a variety of different companies in a variety of different roles.Some people are in management positions where they can have influence over what their policy is in regards to how their company uses AI.Some people are just out of company that happens to use AI and they know what the policy is.Every single person I talked to, and I threw as quite a wide net, every single person I talked to was like, yeah, it doesn't make any sense.The policy is meaningless.
01:00:50You've either got people on one end, which is way too far where it's like you have a minimum quota for your token.spend like I know someone who works at one of those types of companies and it's just output,output, they don't care what you're doing with it, just do as much as you can.And then I know people on the other end of the spectrum, these are more hypersensitivedata scenarios where it's like you can't use it for anything.If you are going to use it for something, it has to be this one system that we have on site,which is like super locked down and blah, blah, blah, blah.And then there's kind of everything in between.
01:01:28But the only consensus that I got was that nothing matters.There is no policy you can write because you'll write your thing and that agents are goingto come out of somewhere.Or you write your thing and then Jev, which is like a completely different function of modelis going to come out from somewhere and just change everything.So my current plan is two like banners based on.Basically, one is you have to own your output if you submit to whatever it is, your boss,the internet, whatever it ends up being.
01:02:05If you submit something, you have to own that output is yours.And if there's flaws that are issues with it, that is your fault, that is your problem.The other one, and that can be fine, but just know that.So basically what that means is, hey, check your work or check the work that's beingoutput.And then the other one is just the old IBM quote.completely one for one ripped off.The,
01:02:30a computer,yeah,clearly I've searched this.Cannot be held accountable or whatever.A computer can never be held accountable.Therefore,a computer must never make a management decision.And it's effectively the same thing,
01:02:47to be honest,because you have to own your outputbecause the computer cannot be held accountable.It's exactly the same.Fire the computer.Yeah.Like, give, give it, put it on a PIP.Like, what are we, what are we talking about here, right?
01:03:03Yeah.So those two pillars.But then ultimately, it's going to have to come down to the departments because it, I would see how a software development department would use AI tools as a highly, highly different scenario than like a graphic design department.yeah so like those department managers it is it would be inappropriate and i think also highlyinaccurate for me to try to make one grand statement for the whole company in regards to howthey use it a io can't be copyrighted either yeah crystal mentioned that it's a pretty importantnote um so it's like oh interesting yeah i didn't think about that yeah it's a pretty big deal like iI don't know, man.
01:03:52In terms ofthe main value-added workthat I do is, in myopinion, the writing and script editingthat I do.And for me,using AI for itis just not helpful.
01:04:10No.So like dictating that you should.I mean, yeah, I don't think we'll do that anywhere.But yeah.Yeah.And it's just, it's one of those thingswhereI, like to me, the entire value that I bring to editing one of the writer's scripts or to writing a script for myself, which was actually kind of fun this week.
01:04:31I did more writing this week than I have in any other week in a long time because I wrote six videos and six days.It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the value that I bring is the, you know, coming on 20 years of experience that I have in, in this industry.and and theperspective that I add to it, right?Because anyone can just output a factual scriptabout a thing these days.But not anyone can put that in the contextof where it came from
01:05:09and where it might be going.And I just, I don't see, every time I...I'll check in once in a while.I just check in once in a while.Like, hey, how close are we?And every time I do it, I'm just not convinced that there's any real value to it.No, I think part of that might be usage, because I think there's a value that could be had by your team and using it personally.By the team, yeah.
01:05:37I think potentially by you as well.I'm sure the audience's ears have peaked up because I suggested using AI for writing stuff.but relax it's it's actually probably okay um something i've been experimenting with a little bit isscript fact checking and asset fact checking um yeah actually i made a mistake recently that wouldhave been mitigated by having an a i fact check the script ha scrappy called it he typed that out beforei said it i i i from stream delay and stuff i technically said it and then read it but he wasstream delay and stuff he definitely wrote that first but yeah it's it's it can be really useful forthat. I mean, there's, it's no secret. Definitely, Scrappy's half right though. So Scrappy said two things,
01:06:22fact checking and outlining. Yeah, outlining in my opinion is actually one of the worst things to use AI for.I understand why some people do it, but as someone who, like, so our process has us, people bring ideas to the writer's meeting.So sometimes that's me. Sometimes it's writers. Sometimes it's just randoms in the company. We have like a hotline kind of thing. It's like an air table form that anyone can fill out and go, hey, I have a video idea. Here's my pitch. So that comes to the writers meeting. We kind of, you know, talk back and forth. Is there enough meat on this phone? And then it goes into the needs assignment queue. At that point, if someone is, you know, excited about it or it's interesting enough or.it's newsworthy or you know whatever um it goes into being assigned to a writer and then we do what's called a scrumand in the scrum i often um will just dictate okay here's kind of the intro of this video and here's allthe key beats we need to hit and here's a rough order and then sometimes the the writer willyou know nail it sometimes that'll come from me sometimes it's very collaborative it's kind of it's all overthe spectrum. Um, and then they kind of go away, they beaver away on the project for a little bit.
01:07:52They come and we do a script review and then I, you know, make whatever tweaks. And, um,that part of the process, the, the scrum part where the outline effectively gets created forthe video is in my opinion, so critically human done that we would not be able to make goodvideos if we had an AI do that. It would contribute in my opinion so far from what I've seenzero to the value of any video that we make because it will always lay things outlogically from what I've seen. There's no there's no style. There's no there's no there's noit doesn't understand emotion it doesn't like coming back to there's a doc that i'll that i bring upevery once in a while on the uh on the wandshow that actually has not has not changed in a while
01:08:57because i have not felt um any need to change it but it's basically called uh how to how to makegood videos or how to write good videos yeah here it is and you know number4, I think it is.Yeah, number 4.Plan for the videos flow.AI does not understand what's exciting.Or what gives you that wow factor.It doesn't know how to plan for the payoff of a video.
01:09:31Number five, make it personal.It doesn't understand that.It doesn't know, you know, like a great example of a videothat an AI could not possibly have assisted us with is the one where David and Imodded our old controllers. It can't know what's fun for me and for David about tinkering aroundinside the guts of our controllers and installing little daughter lighting PCBs. It cannotunderstand that. Now, Timmy asks, personal to who? That's a great question, actually, becausein the dock
01:10:14I do explain thatI say make it personaland then there's athere's like a there'sa recurring linethat is like all throughout the dockthat says why should Iin asterisk why should I care
01:10:30and so under make it personalI say you apply it to the viewerassuming that the subject matter is broad enoughthat you can assume a broadinterest basein the viewers orto yourself or or Linus or someone recognizable so that's where like celebritycollabs might come in if you can't make the specific scenario relate to the
01:10:55viewer then make the interesting cool technology relate to the viewer like bring it backto you're watching this channel so presumably you think tech is cool that'sthat's why you should personally care but no matter which way we tackle this fromIt has to be personal or what are we even, what are we even doing here?Right?Yeah, so not the outlining part.That wasn't the part I wanted to suggest.I would not have suggested that it does outlines for you to be clear.
01:11:35The fact checking part is interesting, though.I got some questions about it while you were going through that.And it's like the way that I like doing it is we've used facts.fact-checking stuff, like AI error detection in the lab.The way we've used it in the lab is as an early warningsystem when testing.So the idea isn't that we replaced an AI fact-checking step.It's that if we are in the middle of testing something
01:12:03and it detects like, oh, there's a setting wrongor something like that, it'll try to scream at usso we don't waste more time.And then a human will go in, verify that the thing was wrong,fix it, throw out the bad data, keep going.In this case, you can feed it the information.You can tell the thing that you're working on.I've used a local one with a NDA white paper.
01:12:32So I hand the local AI, the NDA white paper,and the one page or documentation of informationthat we made.And then, like, does the information in here match up?Basically, like, do you find any factual issues between the notes in the one-pager and the information given in the, you know, NDA document?Which is often also called the one-pager, which is why I stumbled for words.And it can help you find stuff.And, you know, you still have to do your own checks.
01:13:08It's very unlikely going to find everything.But there is a problem which, like, if you guys haven't worked on this type of stuff, which I saw a couple of comments, which made me.feel like you probably haven't done that type of work, which is totally fine, to be clear.But you haven't done this type of stuff.You get, there's a lot of different ways of wording it, but you get kind of like too involvedin something.And it makes you blind to certain parts of the work where one particular thing will justlook correct because, I don't know, it's been that way for like the whole time I'm writing
01:13:39this.I've read it like a billion times in my head that I now recognize as being a factual thingthat is correct.And it might be kind of small, and it's trying to rush through and not rush necessarily,but we're trying to go through and check everything.It doesn't really come up as something that you should necessarily check.And if you're going to sit there and say you should check everything, that's tough.And when you're dealing with humans a little unrealistic,
01:14:06because what are you doing like a full-fledged fact check multiple times per sentencefor an entire script?maybe, but I kind of doubt it that if you're going to delegate that task,that a person is going to stay that diligent the entire time.Yeah, no, I think that's fair to say.And it's also just, it's so quick to have an AI,just, you know, go through and, and a lot of the time it hallucinates errors.Like, where I have used it pretty consistently is in event coverage,
01:14:40because there's so,littlethere's so littletime.You actuallyyou have to move fast.There's no like,oh, I'll just take my time
01:14:59and we'll do this video tomorrow.No, you need to move.So you need to find those workflow optimization.So while I haven't used it as extensivelyin other videos where it's like a one day turnaround,I'll throw it into a couple different LLNsand I'll say, hey, is anything that we're saying here wrong?and then it'll mostly spit out.
01:15:17I found about, it's about 50-50.It'll tell me something's wrongwhen I'll go look and actually it's right.And then it's sometimes,the other 50% of the time,it'll find something and I go,actually that wording could be tweakedor oh my goodness, that's outright wrong.
01:15:30We did make a mistake there.Yeah, it's like don't trust definitely for sure,absolutely verify.And it's,but it's still helpful.And you know, you push it through your promptto cite sources and give you sources.And one of the ways that you can kind of know that one of the things that is telling you is wrong is not actually necessarily wrong because it won't be able to give you a source that actually resolves.
01:15:55So we'll give you like a link and the link goes nowhere or whatever else.I have also had times where it couldn't give me a source that a thing was wrong, but it was right, that thing was wrong.I just had to go find the source myself, which was kind of funny.So it does give you this like verification step.but so far in my usage it has been definitely worth my time to go verify the things that it did findso i i think that's like i think there are ways to use it as like a i don't even know not to do thewriting itself i think it's so incredibly far away from being able to do that at the level requiredto make a truly good video um there's a good suggestion from altered tech where they want to
01:16:43want to see a 15 minute video where half of it is human made and the other half is AI made.I feed it my previous like like I talked about this on Wanshow a little while ago where I I had it try to make a script for me out of a labs article.And then I at various stages wrote certain amounts of the script and said, finish this for me, finish this for me, finish this for me.and it got closer the more of an actual human written script I gave it before I said,okay,finish this off.And I feel like that would be actually a pretty interesting little experiment to see,you know, would people,
01:17:26would people notice the shift when the writing stopped being human?Or if I, if I, like, was I just being fussy?Like, am I the only one who would have noticed?You know, you know what I mean?Like, because I could clearly tell that there was a decrease in quality.But would a typical audience member notice that I just let it fill in the blanks?One of the things that's tough about that is would a typical audience audience member consciously notice is not actually the question that matters in my mind.Yeah, no, I think that's a fair point.
01:18:05Because are they going to subconsciously notice the quality of the video has gone?down. They don't recognize that it's written by an AI now, but they know that the quality of thevideo has gone down and they click off and they leave. And it's like it's, that's, that's verydifficult to to measure. But I suspect it would happen. But yeah, but it's, but there's so many,there's too many variables for you to say definitively, you know, that's what caused it. That's whatdidn't cause it. Oh God. You know what sucks? I think you could actually test this now usingYouTube's A-Bvideo stuff.
01:18:44Oh, interesting.Okay. Well,cool.That's neat.Moving on.Yeah.I don't think anyonewanted that answer.
01:19:07Maybe it's happening right now.Yeah.I mean, how likelihood it is, I guess.Do you want to go totally off-topic?you want to just talk about your trip how's china i was going over there yeah yeah let's let's talk about the tripum this was the the craziest trip that i have ever done and that includes like some of thebizarre land stuff i've done like uh to and from germany in less than 48 hours includingmaking a video while i was there like this is an insane uh trip that i'm on right now um
01:19:49Let me just see if I can, I can find my, my scheduled doc.So here, I'm in China.All right.So on Saturday, I left.So that was like Saturday, but like Saturday red eye.So, uh, so after when show basically.I went home.I packed and then I had a flight at 1.40 a.m. Saturday.
01:20:17All right.So that, so this, this was one week ago.it's been um so we have an 18 plus hour travel so that's on top of being you know two and a halfhours early for an international flight or whatever like i was two and a half hour hours early so let's callit let's call it uh 20 hours um so 20 hours of travel we uh with a connection we arrived in uh ybinwe slept so sleep is actuallyon the schedule. Like this schedule is nuts. It's down to the minute. Like it'll have like 15 minutes tocheck in six hours 45 minutes of sleep. So so our first night was um at the yibin university town hotel.
01:21:09We had nine hours scheduled for sleep. But that's like that includes anytime that you need toyou know shower and brush your teeth and whatever. So basically, you know, eight hours of sleep.then at 730 we had our ex-jimmy factory tourI had no idea that ex-jimmy was this biglike I knew that you know over the last few yearsthey had gone from being kind of you knowyeah whatever like China brand projectors toespecially I think it was their Titan Noir
01:21:45we did a it was a sponsored short circuit so full disclosure thiswas a sponsored video, but has nothing to do with what I'm talking about right now.And I was like, I was blown away by the progress that they've made.The price point that they're delivering like full on lens shift at, in my opinion,dramatically increases the viability of, of projectors as a solution.Because anything without lens shift is always going to be a compromise unless it is perfectlyprofessionally mounted.And by the time you could afford someone to spend their entire day perfectly aligning a projector that doesn't have lens shift, you might as well just get a projector with lens shift.
01:22:29Like it's it is such a game changer of a feature on projectors.Anyway, so we we toured the X Jimmy factory, which was incredible.Then after, so that went till 6 p.m.Then we had an hour and a half to drive to the Yibin airport.Then we had to fly out.So we had a two and a half hour flight to Shenzhen.So then we stayed at the Sheraton Shenzhen.We had six hours and 45 minutes scheduled for sleep that time.
01:23:06And then we had our DJI tour.So filming at the Wutong Pavilion and at their,Sky City headquarters. So we got briefed on a bunch of DJI stuff and then we went and we flew somedrones and checked out some cool drone stuff. Um, their new pocket camera, wait, oh yeah, that's out already.Yeah, yeah, their new pocket camera is like freaking incredible. It has a dual end system now.All right. So then we had to hold on drive for almost three hours to we zoo.or something like thatso somewhere else
01:23:45then the next daywe went to this AIOcooler companyTacomasso we had seven hours and 15 minutesscheduled for sleep that nightso we went to theirheadquarters then we went to their factory
01:23:58then wedrove toDongwanyeahthen we hadC-Sonicthen we flewto
01:24:11Hangsu, I think.Then we had Unitryand that was it. So we did, yeah, we did fivevideos atI can't even remember them all now. This week has been such a blur.So what was the first one again? Right.X-Jimmy, DJI, Tacomis, C-Sonic, and Unitry.Unitri's demo room was incredible by the way
01:24:43and the whole time there's just been like barely enough time to justget up in the morning maybe eat like a banana or somethingI packed like a box of protein bars with me and they have absolutely saved my lifeon this trip because I just haven't had time to eat a lot of the timeso just like grab a banana or an energy bar or somethinggo get a briefing for the morning shoot in the afternoonhopefully get some dinner and then travel to the next place.I don't know how we've survived it.
01:25:16At the end of every day, it's been me, Sammy, Jack from the business team,and then Henry has been the shooter.They've been absolute troopers.And every day at the end of the day, I was like, okay, 20% boys, 20%, 40%.Yeah, 40%.Hey, it's hump day.60%.Let's go, let's go.
01:25:38been trying to like keep the energy up.That's cool.And the whole time, I came into this thick, which sucked.But I've been slowly recovering as we've made our way through it.Probably the funniest part of the entire trip, though, was our meal at the restaurant after DJI.So this is halfway through the trip.So far, nobody.Nobody's gotten food sick. Nobody's, you know, lost a passport, you know, nothing catastrophic.
01:26:17I'm going to knock on some wood here real quick.We finish up with DJI. They've all got to kind of, you know, go back to their families, presumably or whatever.And we're just in kind of a relatively rural spot because our filming location at this like pavilion thing.It's beautiful, man. Some of the footage off of there is just going to be just gorgeous, incredible.The, yeah, the Wutong Pavilion. Look at pictures of it. It looks amazing.But it's kind of, we just like drove down off of this like mountain and we're just kind of in the middle of nowhere.And we're just in this parking lot that's across the street from a bunch of like little sort of restaurants.So we kind of, we have all of our bags with us because we're traveling everywhere with all of our luggage.
01:27:05We have an extra luggage by this point because bloody Sammy.could not say no to all the swag from Tacomus.And I was like, buddy, how many hats do you need?Like, just leave it.We can't carry extra stuff around with us for the rest of the trip.And Tacomus, accommodating as they are, we're like,oh, we actually have branded luggage.We'll just give you an extra luggage.
01:27:29So we've got this extra stupid luggage.So we've got all this like...Let's go, Sammy!Bloody hell, man.And so we're just like...like, okay, well, we can't go far. Like, we don't want to deal with trying to find our own Uber or whatever.Like, we've got a ride coming in a while. And so we're just like, okay, let's just, let's scope out theserestaurants. There's like, maybe, I don't know, five or six of them in a row here. And
01:27:57while Henry speaks Chinese and Jack speaks a little bit, neither of them reads it. So we're allkind of relying on just like translate services and um oh semi says that was before the luggage areyou sure i'm pretty sure we already had your stupid luggage was dj i second oh you know what he's rightthat's before the luggage okay so it was going to get worse the point is we've got all this luggageand it's a lot of luggage but all right so we so we scope out all the restaurants andwe're just kind of like none of them are are like a typical touristarea where you'll have like the menu posted in front of the restaurant or anything like that.So we ultimately chose one just based on which one had customers in it already.
01:28:44There were a couple tables occupied at this one.And so we kind of walk in and they're like like like super welcoming.And then we realize like as we sit down at the table that like all of the people at thevarious tables inside here have like gotten up to attend to us.So it turns out it was all just like family members.or something that were just all there.And we're kind of like, oh, okay.So Henry is working his way through trying to order.
01:29:14And like, just because you speak Chinese doesn't necessarily mean that you speak exactlya perfect match for whatever dialect in whatever part of China you're in.And we were in half a different, half a dozen different parts of China.So, you know, it was a little bit of a struggle for him at this one.And we get as far as like, okay, they've.brought us our dishes, which were, which were shrink-wrapped.So like our spoons, our plates and our bowls were all shrink-wrapped.And they bring us like a boiling thing of water and like a tub.
01:29:48So we've got to like put boiling water over the dishes.So we've got our, we've got our boiled dishes.Okay.And we're kind of like, okay.So menu?Okay, hold that.A lot of people that are confused.by that. So they clean them
01:30:07and then wrap them so that theylike ideally stay cleaned, but thenthey don't expect you to trust them.So you unwrap themand then like clean it yourself effectivelyby putting it through boiling water.That's kind of neat. Yeah.Anyway, so we're sitting in here. We've got our dishes.
01:30:24Okay, so we've made it that far. There's likeAI generated like animalsall over one of the walls.So presumably these are all the types of animalsthat we can eat. And then overthe other side there's some pictures that don't look like AI of like various dishes and we'rekind of sitting there and we're like okay so menu maybe uh do you have a menu and they're like ohwe're still working on that and we kind of go what and they're just like no no just let us know
01:30:55what you want to eat and uh and we'll make it for you and we kind of go um what and so sammy sammy is like uhOkay, well, like, what about that?What about that dish?Oh, we don't have that dish.We kind of go, well, why is there a picture of it on the wall?So you've got pictures on the wall of food you can't make.You've got no menu, but you're just like, oh, yeah, just tell us and we'll make anything.Except the thing that there's a picture of on the wall.
01:31:26And like, I'm joking with the guys.I'm just like, so what?Like, if I order a pizza, are they going to make a pizza?Like, you got to, you got to narrow it down a little bit.Sammy says he sent a picture on teams.I don't know. I did not get the message.He sent it to Dan.He said it to the plastic wrapped cutleries.
01:31:44This is very normal in China, to be clear.Give me a second here.Anyway, so we're at the point now where we're just kind of sitting here going,is this even a restaurant?Because we're looking around at some of the signage.We're looking a little more closely.and it's there's a lot of science there's a lot of signage about like a lions club um but not a lot of signage aboutlike a restaurant but like there's definitely the pictures of the food um anyway we get a little bit
01:32:16farther into our conversation with them and basically we realize that they're offering to like goto like a market and buy whatever food we want to eat and then like go make it and we're kind ofsitting here going, like, are we in someone's house? Like, clearly set up as a restaurant. Like,there's all these, like, round tables and stuff. So finally, we're just like, um, okay, we ordered,like a few dishes. We ordered, like, a Kung Pow chicken, uh, like some, some vegetable dish,like cucumber, seasoned cucumber thing. And, um, and they take our order and, and they go away andliterally, like, leave. They leave the restaurant to, like, go to the market to, to, to buythe food and at some point I think I think Henry kind of goes wait did we discuss price at any point
01:33:11and so the I guess the daughter like the young the young lady kind of he flags her down and shecomes to the table and he kind of goes like how much is the food and she she just apparentlyisn't Chinese so I didn't understand it but apparently basically just like started toanswer him and justlike trailed off and then just likeleft and went into the backand we don't thinkanybody was there at that point
01:33:41because everyone elsehad left in the front to go shoppingfor the food that they were going to makeand soI don't know if she ever returnedbut theybut theybut we did get an answer
01:33:56from the people coming back with the grocery bagsof foodthey did make the foodit was actually pretty quickI think it only took about 25 minutesfrom ordering to bring the food to the tablemaybe 20 minutesso that included shopping
01:34:10so it was very efficienta very efficient systemfood was okayandand we ended up I think payinga 15 extracompared to what they quoted usthey just like gave us a higher price
01:34:27and Henry was like I can argue with themI'm like no nojust like, yeah, just whatever at this point.They were like tripping over themselves to, to accommodate us for the rice.They just brought out like a rice cooker.Like they just, they brought it out.They didn't put it on our table.They just like put it on the table next to us.
01:34:46Didn't say anything.Just assumed that we would assume that to know to just go, there's just a scoop inside it.So we just go, we scoop our own rice.Sounds awesome.You know what?It was pretty good.If the chunks of meat had been a little bit.in the Kung Pao chicken. I would have given it like an A minus actually. It was like pretty solid.
01:35:09But it was it was the most bizarre restaurant experience I think I've ever had. Like I have gone to a placeonce in Taipei that didn't have a menu. You just like tell the chef what you want them to make.And but at least they like had all the ingredients like like subway sandwich style. So you just be like yeah,I want that and like you know some of that. And. And. Um, but at least they like had all the ingredients like like like subway sandwich style. So you just be like yeah, I want that. And like, you know,I want it seasoned this way and they would like make that for you.Whereas these guys were just like straight up.There's a grocery store next door.We will go get anything you want and we'll cook it for you.
01:35:43Sammy is mentioning the spicy.Crazy.It was too spicy.Oh yeah.So apparently there was some debate from the from the people at the restaurant how spicythey should make it.I think we asked for mild spice.But then they brought us like come cow chicken.
01:35:59Like it was it was spicy.It was delicious.I like spicy.So I was good with it.but Jack, like, could not eat it.And apparently there was some debate when he was, like,clearly struggling a little bit.Like, oh, how spicy did you make it?
01:36:14And they were like, well, it's not Kung Pao chicken if it's, you know,doesn't have proper spice in it.So they just kind of ignored our instructions,apparently with respect to the spiciness.But I was okay with that.It was an experience.Sammy's wrong for this trip is insane.Sami's what?
01:36:35There's going to be a float plane exclusive vlog.Oh, I'm excited.We're not going to want to miss it.We've logged the entire.Like, I think that's going to be its own separate blog video, just this meal, because it was crazy.Like, it kept going, getting to new levels of bizarre.That's fantastic.I, I, I love stuff like that.
01:36:59That's great.It was an unforgettable experience.I didn't think Kungaro Chicken was like a thing.in China.I thought that was like Western.No, no, chicken's an authentic dish.It's just the way that it's made at like American Chinese food restaurants is not the same.Okay.
01:37:19And it's, it's one of those ones where even within China, regionally, it's like it might be more saucy or it might actually be quite dry or, you know, whatever.Like, there's different styles.Yeah, AI could not outline that video.AI could never imagine that video.That's, yeah.Those are perfect things.This might be a good opportunity to tackle some of the sponsors if you want to move over to that.Oh yeah.
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01:39:59So it's free to get started at getstream.io and you can check it out at the link down.All right.Okay, okay, hold on a second.Also Bell tricks in,low plane chat is responding to something.I don't know. It doesn't matter.He's China's Colonel Sanders.Okay, Dan,
01:40:22can you bring up a bunch of picturesof Colonel Sanders, please?For the Wandshow viewers.Just search for picturesof Colonel Sanders.I can.Henry.I got it.
01:40:38Henry has a conspiracy theorythat Colonel Sanders isChinese.Luke laptop.And you know what?He's got me kind of convinced.Look at some of the black and white ones. Look at the one four to the right. No, no, to the left.Click this one to the left. Nope, to the right. Yeah, yeah, click that one.
01:41:08Like, hold up a second here.Ah, ah, the ads.Anyway, sorry, that's just, it was just a funny conversation.Henry's been trying to convince us that Colonel Sanders is Chinese. That's it.Hmm.all right let's uh let's jump into another topicLuke you want to pick oneum sure yeah
01:41:39I want to bring one up that isn't actuallyin the dock originally because I think this happenedlike after the dock was donebut I've had this linked to me during the showby three different peoplesorryso I wanted to bring it up because it seemsdecently important
01:42:04I'm going to get this on the screen share set up as wellbecause we don't have a topic prepped for this,but updated Google Privacy Policy says your Gmail might be used for advertising.I also read on a different article that this might also apply to your Google Photos.But, yeah, things are changing here.I don't have a ton to say because I haven't read this,or as Technica post.But it's been such a powerful time for self-hosting and Home Lab.
01:42:51And self-hosting and Home Lab is getting incredibly approachable.And yeah, Linus has this fancy investment disclosure for HexOS, and that's great, and it seemsto be working well for a lot of people.There are also a lot of other solutions that are making home labbing stuff easier and more approachable.I think the world of agents and vibe coding and stuff has also made things far easier.And I think for a lot of people, it's going to be time to get away from some of these systems.Yeah.On October 16th, Google issued an update to his privacy policy spotted by Android Authority.
01:43:35The ad personalization section used to include a clear limit on data from certain apps.In quotes, we don't show you personalized ads based on content finger, drive, Gmail, or photos.The document said, now Google has updated it with the following language.We don't show you personalized ads based on the content from drive, Gmail, or Google photosunless you choose to make data from these services available to other Google services that support personalized ads.That is going to involve a lot of people by default.Because linking your apps together for convenience is a very normal thing.Yeah.
01:44:26I am wondering, Luke, you know how we've had a lot of business meetings on WAN showabout getting rid of either Microsoft Office 365 or.Google G Suite.Yeah.Is it time to just get rid of both?It might be.Like I don't know how we can...It's only going to get worse.
01:44:53Like that's the thing about the imprapification trendis that it never seems to turn backward.It just gets worse.Yeah, it's, I think my problem isthat like, I don't know,you sit in the terrible analogy, do you sit in the poison and slowly boil or do you try tosee if you can make it through the wall of fire? Because like I don't think there is a solutionthat would replace G Suite and all of the things that we use G Suite for. Yeah.
01:45:39That would be up to par. I really just don't think. But does it need to be like, okay,so here's the thing. I actually, I had this, I had this comment.conversation withwith just some othertech media folks at theat the RTF Spark eventof all places and I was talkingabout how LNG
01:46:02used to be on thecutting edge of justlike you know YouTuber businessprocesses and workflows andtools like like we went to 8Kjust so that we couldso we could get cut bythe bleeding edge
01:46:20just so that we could, you know, see how much it would break a typical messand how much we'd have to upgrade our workstations and our networking in order to accommodate it.You know, where's that leadership these days?Where is us taking on the challenge of actually doing something about this?Everybody complains Adobe sucks, Microsoft sucks, Google sucks, they all suck,subscriptions are too much.What are we doing about it?How are we leading by example?
01:46:52We're not.We're just, we're just sucking it up.We're just paying for it.And I feel like we've,I feel like we've lost our edge a little bit.Yeah, I mean, if we want to,if we want to take that stance as a company,we can move off of both of them.
01:47:09We can move off of Microsoft.We can move off of G Suite.There are a few different options we could go for.Like, it feels like that's,it feels like that's what the old LNG would have done.It would have found a scrappier solution.It would have found a solution that did not require a subscription.Like, do you remember when we were choosing a platform to host the forum?
01:47:36We were like, no, we're not choosing anything that requires an ongoing subscription.We're going to like self-host it as much as we can.Like, we would not have accepted this stuff.I don't know.Like, I don't know.When I chose team viewer.It was like, okay, I'll suck it up as long as I can buy a perpetual license.Like, we didn't accept this.
01:48:07Yeah.I do think the software landscape has changed pretty significantly.Oh, yeah.I do think, like, there were alternatives to things that we chose.I think that might be, I don't completely disagree with you,but I think it might be a little bit flowery language for what we used to do.because Envision Powerboard charges yearly.They don't, they don't, you know, they're not going to take the software,
01:48:35which was a mistake.They're going to take the forum down.But they get, you don't get security updates anymore after.Yeah, which is like you should take it down, you know.But we also went with like the cheapest option for hosting.Like we were actually self-hosting it for a while, which caused some major problem.What, the test bench?under my desk wasn't good enough
01:49:00what are you talkingyeahyeah I don't knowI'm notI'm not completelyagainst itCole Homer says but old LMG only neededto make those updates to a dozen or so employees
01:49:14isn't scaling issue now yeah it isit's also likeit's alsoa group think problemandthere are people at the companythat justdon't care.
01:49:32And they want their software to work well.And they don't care about anything else.And I actually bet you that's a decent amount of people.Oh, absolutely.That's me these days.And we got here for a reason.Yeah, it's not six dudes in a house anymore.Yeah, where we had the resources to, you know, just buy the good one.
01:49:55So we just started buying the good one.Yeah.And that's what I'm talking about, though.What is this name?Raffiliu in full-pin chat said Linux is calling.See, but even that's a problem.Like, let's say we put Linux on every single computer at work.That's impossible because Linus will have to walk near them at some point in time,
01:50:17and they will just immediately shatter.So none of the computers at work will work, which is a problem.It's crazy, dude.Witnessed it now.Well, I mean, I've even had, I mean, Wade from Dank Pod's fameand garbage time and many many, many other things.He was talking about how he had this rock solid driving computerthat was totally fine forever and then you got close to it.
01:50:42It just failed immediately.I don't understand.It's one of those things where I felt so gaslit for so longbecause I hadn't caught it on camera enough times yetand people just would not believe me.Even you didn't believe me.I'd be like, no, I didn't do anything.And people are like, you must have done, you must have did something.
01:51:06And I'm like, no, I actually didn't do anything.And stuff just blows up.I still won't say that I understand, but I have witnessed.I will, I will absolutely say that I have witnessed.But yeah, it's tough.And then like you get people who, like, we have people at the company who, you know, we have both because we're weird.But they've never used Google Suite, and they've used Office in some form or Outlook in some form for 20-plus years.And moving to Google Suite is a problem.
01:51:46Yeah.Think about the usability and convenience and comfortable nature of Google Suite.And then imagine taking the thing that they know away, taking probably the...easiest version of this software in the world away and then putting them on somethingthat is objectively more difficult to use every alternative that I've seen I would doit's impossible for it to be objective yeah but you know what I'm saying they are wayrougher around the edges they all are and you know like that'll get better overtime and stuff but and there's certain stuff that we're just not going to be able
01:52:33to get away with. Like if I told the, you know, the engineering team, like, you're not allowed to haveSolidWorks. You're like, okay, well, you're not allowed to have products. And something that most peopledon't understand is we also run SolidWorks PDM here, which means that that has to run on Windowsserver. So we have a specific SolidWorks PDM Windows server just to support other stuff. WANCHOhas to run on Windows. So, like, you don't even get to have Linux company-wide. He's still got asupport both and two kinds of servers. Wait, why does theengine have to run on Windows? V-Mix isWindows only just because of how it interacts
01:53:09with the GPU drivers because it's fullyit's one of the reasons it's so stable.It's like it just runs on the GPUit's like Kuda.You can't run AI on AMDkind of thing.Some driver low-level exploitI don't know.
01:53:25Got it.So you can't win.You can't win.Yeah, so it's tough.You can only win.I don't.I'm not, I'm not, I'm not particularly married to either one, but I am somewhat married to not having the amount of IT tickets we will have by adopting certain other ones.And I think that problem also, honestly, scales to basically everything.
01:54:02Like if you walk into the editing den on Monday and say, yo, we're not.not using Premiere anymore. Yeah. Get on DaVinci Resolve, figure it out. See ya. You can't have anyAdobe applications anymore. Good luck getting videos out. Oh, I mean, we'd clearly have to changepeople's KPIs. Like, we'd basically have to have a month where you're basically just like,yeah, any work we get done this month is a bonus. Yeah. It's a professional development month.maybe not a month for certain peoplebut for some people I think itcould take that long
01:54:45I mean I also try to learnwhen I tried to learn DaVinci Resolve coming froma Premier Pro editorthe workflow is like you just can'tswitch over it's like if you were learningDaVinci Resolve firstyou'd probably be faster thanrelearning just a decade of muscle memory
01:55:03and yeah I wouldn't be surprisedI mean this is this is whywe just went through thisargument. It was, it was like honestly so annoying. There's all these tools ripping off likePhotoshop and Premiere and all these other different things. And there's all these comments. And Ilove where your heart is, guys. But the like, why don't you just, why don't you just use Gimp,idiot? It's not the same, bro. They want to, they want to vibe code rip off the thing that they knowbecause the workflow is the same. The key binds are the same. The buttons are in the same spot.
01:55:37they should theoretically be able to expect the same result when they do the same action.You got to also remember that when you get to a certain level, you're not like using a toolanymore. You don't think about using the program. You just do the stuff in it. And as soon as youinterrupt that with, oh, where's this button? Or what happens if I hold the alt key? You're not doingwork. You're not learning software. Absolutely. It's like learning a new instrument or something like that.Nobody who uses Photoshop professionally thinks about using Photoshop, they just do photo manipulation.And you're going to change that and it's not good.Even though DaVinci Resolve is kind of more of an objectively better thing, the best software is the one that gets the job done.
01:56:22And it doesn't really matter.Yeah.Yeah.Damned if you do damned if you don't.It's tough.And like, you know, IT is trying to make some of these.decisions. I think it needs to happen at a team level as well. Like IT can't make thePremier decision for the editing team. IT can't make the SolidWorks decision for the engineering
01:56:54team. What about more of a slow transition? Like, okay, we would like to dump Adobe Premiere.Here's DaVinci Resolve. You know, do a video a month in it. As far asmy understanding goes, the editing team has poked at DaVinci Resolve a few times and is notunaware of Adobe costing a bunch of money and has considered it actively for a few years now,and it just hasn't been a good enough fit for whatever reason.For when I was dealing with...I can't claim to understand.Yeah, when I was dealing with my editing team, I was experimenting using Premiere and then
01:57:32moving over to DaVinci Resolve as well, back when it was still kind of trash.And some of the advantages for Premiere was the way that it handles footage.So one of the reasons Final Cut was kind of garbage is because you had to import as, like, proxy and stuff like that.And it handled your file management.The nice thing about Premiere is you just go, like, the folder is here, and it goes, okay, start editing now.It doesn't have to think you don't have to generate anything.If a file changes, it updates anywhere.Anybody can pick up a project.
01:58:03And it's also not GPU-dependent, so you can kind of, you know, remote in, and it works a little bit better.So, like, as a professional tool for a massive team of editors who are handing off projects, Premiere is just kind of more mature.And, you know, DaVinci Resolve is great, and it is great now.But I think DaVinci Resolve is more of a, I'm editing a movie tool or I'm editing a TV show tool, whereas we need...It also, it's all about the suite, right?Absolutely.Because it's not just Premiere.Our Mogarts are inserts and their templates, and somebody updates the end of the titles,
01:58:45and then all the other editor does just goes like, blurp, here you go, and then it's done.Yep. And that integration, so you can just work on something over in another application in the Adobe Suite,and that asset is just in Premiereis exactly where you're,that's the thousand cuts that you die byif you don't just pay the Adobe tax.That's why the Adobe tax is there.So we're not moving now,
01:59:19but it just feels like we're slowly approachingthe inevitable pointwhere it can't keep going the way it is.And I think we should be considering moving on basically everything, to be clear.We also need to think about the impact and making sure that we're making the move at the right time and in the right way.Because we're kind of a big ship.That's something I've been running into with trying to figure out the whole Microsoft and Google thing,trying to get onto one of them, even, let alone bailing on both of them, is that we're just a large ship.
01:59:58and trying to turn this thing mid whatever.I don't know.The analogy is falling apart.But it's tough.It's not that easy.I remember when Floop plane was like four people,I think we switched chat programs like three times in a year.It just barely mattered because I don't know, whatever.
02:00:17Just jump over three other people will be fine.But trying to do that with 100 plus people.and 100 plus people who have been like marinating on this platform for a long timeand having built custom tools based around this thing, custom tools, custom workflows,all this type of stuff, and then you need to rip that out and put it something else.It's called lock-in for a reason.It's difficult to break.So I think we should, yeah, do it one thing at a time,
02:00:49but this should be something that we've progressed towards.I think in a lot of ways, because of AI assistance, because of vibe coding,because of these companies getting really brutal about privacy policies.All these different things all happening at once.Self-hosting and just alternatives in general are becoming much more interesting,much more attractive, and much more viable.And we, along with basically everyone else, should be responding to that.But, yeah, anyways.
02:01:23All right.We're about 30 minutes from Hardout.We still haven't done CW, Floplane, or Spondent.sponsors to three, God, three four.Okay. Dan, tell us what to do.CW float plane and sponsors three, four.Okay.Time to talk about our CW announcements pretty big this week.
02:01:46Do you have screen sharing up, Luke?Yes.Are you on top of it?Yep.All right.Huge.We are launching the coated hoodie and coated sweatpantsavailable in dark green and sand,
02:02:01with binary coat embroideryworked throughout the designs.They're both made from 100% cottonwith the hoodie featuring a rib insertin the hood and the sweatpantsfeaturing rib inserts down the side of the legsas part of the design.You can wear them separately
02:02:15or grab the matching setand look put together without having to thinktoo hard about your outfit.Just throw them on and you are good to go.It says show the coated hood.video by clicking the last item in the PDP photo gallery.We apparently did a video? Wow, we never do videos.I believe in you. You got this. Yeah, video.
02:02:43Hey, there we go. That's cool. We do videos now. Good job, team.When did we start making such cool clothes?Since you stop being so involved.That's so not actually true.hit me he's too far awayI'm I wasfor that thing you used to doI was deeply involved
02:03:19in the creation of this one smart guythe company wouldn't have succeededif you hadn't been involvedyeah that looks awesomewe're also adding two new collarsto our cargo pants blackand elephant skin I'm actuallywearing the black ones right now I freaking
02:03:36love themso you can addsome new options to your cargo rotationAnd if you don't own a pair of our cargo pants yet, this is the perfect place to start.They got 21 pockets, tons of utility, and a durable, comfortable design.You can check out these new items in our October drop collection at lmg.g.g slash October drop.Great new colors.Yes, they're expensive pants.
02:04:05They have a lot of pockets, and pockets are expensive.Who knew?I'm also supposed to dofloat plane announcementsNi HaoWo-Men short tech manWoji Juan Pian PianI have no idea what Sammy's writing here
02:04:25and I almost certainly pronounced it wrongFrom my very limited ChineseThat was pretty goodNow that I've been playedIn saying stupid thingsLet's showcase some game showsWe played on float plane this weekLuke are you on top of the
02:04:40Yeswhile working on it.It's in a window that isn't logged in,so this is a problem.Solid.All right, well, I'll give the pitch for them first.Do you want to see who the smartest LNG employee is?Well, too bad, because we didn't ask those kinds of questions.
02:05:00But you can watch Riley host,Who Wants to be in a Family Jeopardy feud,Millionaire of Fortune against Reese, Sven, and Stephen,the battle of white men with various types of facial hair?What is this description, Sammy?It's a 35-minute battle asking questions ranging fromLinus Torvalds versus Linus Sebastian to LTT trivia to who's that YouTuber.Or if you want to see two bearded men get wet for tech,
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02:09:11All right.It's, it's, you know, yeah.Anyways, okay.What do we got left in here that we want to really get through?Oh, sick.PS5 firmware 14.10, reportedly jailbroken in private.Hypervisor is still holding up.Sony has pushed PS5 firmware for 14.20,
02:09:32just days after a hacker known as Jazeen on Twittershowed off an unreleased jailbreak of 14.10.point 10. The arms race continues. People want physical games, Sony. The timing made people speculatethat the release was in response to Jazeen's post, but the update actually seems to have beentargeting another hacker's exploit. Jazeen's jailbreak can't run pirated games yet. He sayshe still needs to break a deeper layer of PS5 security called the hypervisor. The bug that released,the bug that released 14.2 is probably meant for, meant to target was found by,hacker Ark Samma, the Supreme version of Sam Alman.
02:10:14I'm kidding.And reportedly lets the PS5 run pirated games better than ever.Ark Samma reported the bug to Sony's bug bounty programand sat on it until the patch came out so he'd get paidfor the disclosure rules of the bug bounty program.Makes sense.According to jailbreak news site one jailbreak,the bug hijacks the PS5's A53 chip,
02:10:36which normally unpacks official games in hardware,so they load fast, letting pirated games use the same fast path instead of slower workarounds.Not just piracy, but piracy premium.Yeah, that's fantastic.Anyways, I don't think we need to go through the rest of this, to be completely honest,but it's very, very interesting.I don't know if this is in response to getting rid of physical games.I don't know if this is in response to, it's probably more in response to them saying that,
02:11:08like, you know, you don't own your,you don't own the games that you bought and trying to fight that in court.But the people seem rather agitated with Sony at this time.And Sony's getting,getting the rough end of it.So this is,this is pretty interesting.Nintendo's just eating popcorn,
02:11:28sitting there being anti-consumer in lots and lots of ways,but not the most anti-consumer right now.Yep.Yep, yep, yep.I've got a fun one.Speaking of anti-consumer.WhatsApp's help pages have been carrying hidden instructions meant for its AI support chat bot.Redact, a data deletion company, read all 545 pages linked from WhatsApp's help center,
02:12:04and found 102 hidden blocks on 80 of those pages.Redap says that most of the hidden instructions were mundane, but two of them stood out.On the delete account page, the bot was told that if somebody had lost their phone and couldn't delete their account,it shouldn't recommend contacting a data protection regulator.On the reporting page, once a user mentioned a lawyer or a lawsuit,the bot could not reference privacy laws like the GDPR, even if the user brought them up.This contradicts WhatsApp's own European privacy policy, which explicitly tells users that they can complain to the Irish Data Protection Commission and names the GDPR.Since October 18th, all 102 blocks were removed from those 80 pages.
02:12:58A WhatsApp spokesperson told Wired, the instructions were meant for its support chatbot and only appeared on the pages because of a bug that's been fixed, adding that it wants its sole.support chatbots focused on providing the best advice to users about WhatsApp and not to offer legal advice.I feel that there is a limit to how intentionally done something can be before you can call it a bug.Or like there's a point where you before you can't call it a bug anymore.That that's like like if I like how many tattooed.would I have to put on my body before I reach the point where I can't tell Yvonne they werean accident.You know?
02:13:54What is that like in everybody gets one scenario?Like this is what I'm talking about.Like when you've got when it's on 80 pages, right?Like that's how can we call it a bug when it specifically gives the chat?bot instructions to, hey, this thing that users can do, don't bring it up.And there are certain, there are elements of WhatsApp's excuse here that do make sense.I would want my chat bot on my website to completely avoid discussing any kind of legal action.Because it would almost certainly hallucinate something wrong.
02:14:39And I don't want to be liable for that.Like I get that.But the account deletion one, really?Yeah.Come on.Archangel of death asks,maybe the bug is that other people discovered the hidden instructions.Well, yeah.
02:14:57One of my problems of this type of stuff is it comes back to the, you know,a computer cannot be held responsible thing.Yeah.It's like whose fault is it then?Because it needs to be someone's.Yeah.Someone did it.Yeah.
02:15:15Companies are going to start having like scapegoat employees.Speaking of scapegoats, were you following the business?Our notes on this are incomplete at best, so we're not going to rely on those.But have you been following the Star Shield slowdown drama with Ukraine?Yes.So, yeah, basically Elon blamed the U.S. government.the U.S. government blamed Elon.Ukraine was not able to use
02:15:50the Starlink satellite system passed, I think,what was it, 160 kilometers an hour or something like that?Which means they couldn't...Yeah.They couldn't do the type of missile defenseand drone interception defense.Yeah, I don't think it was missile defense.It was intercepting the Shahad drones.
02:16:10Also offense.They were not able to do that either.Yeah, the main thing they were...Sorry?Which seems to be what has raised the ire of whoever it is.It seems like most reports agree it was Elon at this point,who made the call to limit it.At what point does the ownership of such critical military infrastructure
02:16:37by an oligarch become something that is dealt with?Anyone? Euler?Like I realized that this is one of those,this is one of those things where, you know,oh, Linus, you're having a political discussion,but this is, this is technology, man.At what point does, does critical internet infrastructurebeing able to be disabled at the whims of a tech oligarch
02:17:11become something that we just, like,as a people say,actually this is unacceptable and this does not work.Yeah, but then you got to build it yourself, I guess.Isn't it like I read this?I didn't fact check it, but I read that there's more Starlink satellitesthan there are any other form of satellite at all.Yep.
02:17:37I believe that is true.And there are some other low Earth orbit satellite systems that are being worked on.I think what's Blue Origins called?Is that Project Kuiper?Not sure.And then there's also the European one.What doesGoGo?
02:18:03Go Go is planning to use it or uses it now?Go Go, Galileo.What does that use?I think it's called Galileo.That's Navigation Satellite system.I thought there was an internet-enabledversion of it.yeah i ir ftw says kuiper is amazon's and will mostly be launched by blue origin um
02:18:38amazon leo project kyper the only the only i believe there was one other one and it was like uh like anan e u effort um yeah this this seems like an enormous enormous problemUm, apparently connectivity has been restored to Ukraine now, but, you know, I'm very fearful of what this type of thing means for the future.And I'm starting to come around to your stance that you should just drive your Accura with no computer in it forever.Like I love my car. I say it like at least once a week at this point.when I can't trust that any kinds of checks and balances will exist.I think you can trust that they largely won't.Yeah.
02:19:56Yeah, I mean, it's really rough.And you can go into a lot of it, but quite genuinely just looking at tweets that happened.It was fairly obviously in retaliation from them striking fuel refineries and things like that.And it's like, I don't know, bro, don't, yeah, I don't know.We're getting into political stuff, but maybe, maybe don't start a 200-something day war in Iran.Yeah.Like, maybe that would help.Also, like, are you paying attention to this, like, fake ceasefire and what's happening
02:20:38from the other side?Like, I don't know.The whole thing is just a little bit ridiculous.this. Surprise, surprise.Watching Ukraine get treated like this is their fault is the most...Absolutely insane.Abuser, gaslighty load of nonsense that I think I have witnessed in my lifetime.Especially when both sides of this idiot tug-a-war were supposed to defend them because of the fact that they gave up their nukes and like all that.
02:21:11jazz and like it's all it's all just a freaking mess bro um like the the lesson that the entire worldlearned from this is that everyone needs their own nuclear arsenal yeah and that's a horriblehorrible horrible lesson that should have never been taught yeah but that is i mean countriesare acting on that lesson already like this is oh i know this is absolutelythe lesson that was taken from this.They need a nuclear arsenalfor the nationwide defenseand they need massive drone output
02:21:50and national drone programsfor like point to point defenseand offense.I think we're going to see more countriesmove towards a France like first strike policy as well.Like I,we may live to see nuclear war loop.Yep. Yeah.
02:22:12And by enough yearsusing the word live extremely loosely here.Yeah, yeah.Yeah, enough years go by, people forgetbecause you can't remember if you weren't alive, basically.It doesn't seem like we have so muchrich media from the Second World War, though.Like it doesn't, our entire culture
02:22:31in the West has been obsessedwith the Second World War ever since it happened.How can we possibly not rememberI don't understand.Is that still true?I would absolutely have said that that was true15 to 20 years ago.Is that still true in 2026?
02:22:56Are we still obsessed with World War II?We might be.I'm not...This is a genuine question.Now there's a lot of conspiracy theorydenialism around it.And it's just like, it's so...It's one of those things where it's like,
02:23:13it's so easy like likeI've been to Strasbourglikeget onget on a planeand go look at the ovensand tell me it didn't happenlike what are you
02:23:28what are you talking aboutyou know?Yeah.Like I've seen the remnantsof shoesthat weren't fully combustiveweren't fully combustivelike what are we talking about?
02:23:43I don't know manIt's whatever those who do not study historyDoom to repeat it etc etc etc etc but likeIt just seemsSoObvious that this is badWe can't read anymore soCan't really study history
02:24:10That's a scary oneI am I have made aI have made a conscious decisionThat when I find myself doom scrolling onmy phone. I actually brought a Kindle with me on this trip and I am going to read a novel instead. I'm goingto get myself back in the habit of reading novels because I got to the point where I found I was other thanreading to my kids, which I still do. So I've like read novels to my children. I almost never readthem just for myself for pleasure anymore and the excuse was always like I'm too busy and I'm like,
02:24:52okay no hold on a second if i am not too busy to sit and doomscroll for 20 minutes that i'm nottoo busy to read a chapter so i'm gonna i'm gonna get back into it good moves and timmy audiobooks don't really work for me i um i just i i can't i can't focus like that if anythingbackground audio helps me focus on something else uh you know something interestingit's going to be words sorry i was one jumping before i forget something interesting that iexperienced not that recently but not that long ago and I I need to look into like what's what'shappening here and like is it good or not good or whatever it feels like retention is quite highbut if you I'd be interested in you trying it actually and this might sound super counterintuitive
02:25:45but but listen to an audio book and read the same book at the same timeOh, interesting.So it's like a read-along?Kinda, yeah.Because you're using like two senses to absorb the information.It worked like oddly well for me.The amount of times you can even pull it off is like pretty questionable.Because how many times you can have an audiobook version and a like a physical text version at the same time is kind of kind of
02:26:21tough. But it was a really interesting experience. I haven't exactly like recreated it a bunch.But you know, I love audiobooks. I'm pretty into those. But I still try to get myself to readphysical stuff. Fairly recently I picked up, what is it, a Knight of Seven Kingdoms from Mr.George R. Martin. Yeah, I heard the show was good. And I was like, you know what? What if Idon't and I just read it because I don't want to get Prime or whatever it's on HBO or somethingwho knows so I'll just do that hackers are apparently using your Plex for miningfour Plex security vulnerabilities can be changed together to break into vulnerable serverswithout a password a researcher named the chain Plex 2 shell hackers are using the servers to mine
02:27:24cryptocurrency and turn them into unauthorized proxy networks secretly routing other people'ssketchy internet traffic over your connection. Make sure you update your Plex Media server to version1.43.3.3 or newer. Unfortunately, if you were already hacked, updating alone may not remove the malware.If you can't rule out a compromised system Plex says, rebuild the server from a clean installationrather than reusing the oldplex data directory.At minimum, delete everything in the codex folderand check preferences.xml for transcoder options that you didn't set.Why is everything a vulnerability these days?
02:28:05This sucks.Yeah.Our discussion question is,why did we decide not to have LMG's PCs mine at night when everyone goes home?Actually, we did at some point.We wanted to use nice,hash for it, but then it had like issues with actually like stopping like people's performancewhen it wasn't running was or like wasn't automatically switching out of mining mode reliably
02:28:38enough. So some people's performance kind of sucked and then they were just like, eh.We had it successfully running on the land center PCs when we had that land center set up.But not only is that gone now, but I'm pretty sure we, I don't know this story. You'dto ask Chase, but I think what happened was it ended up becoming unprofitable. So they were,they were using the like Bitcoin mining funds that they were making from mining on those machinesto fund the like land nights that they would have by, you know, they'd buy dinner for everybodyand stuff that was funded by the Bitcoin mining. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I forgot about that.The problem was that I'm pretty sure you were just paying extra for all the food because you were
02:29:23losing money on the Bitcoin mining and then and then probably losing money in transaction feesand then buying food with money that you paid a lot for basically. So they stopped doing thatbecause, you know, no point in just wasting money. I think that's the story. It would be so funnyto just go back and look at like every policy that we ever rolled out, you know?Like just to, oh, yeah, remember that.That was funny.Just like, so you try so many things when you're a young companyand you have no idea what you're doing.
02:30:02And some of it works really good and some of it does not work so good.Yeah.I think it worked for a while.I think it did actually genuinely make sense for a while.But profitability kept going down and the modernness of those machineskept getting worse.And it just eventually didn't.Well, hey, modernness doesn't matter anymore.
02:30:24Do you see, I think it was like Jensen and Elon that were circle jerking about how GPUs are an appreciating asset now.And so you should be able to borrow against them as you would an appreciating asset.And they should have an eight-year lifespan now, except that they're using this one single point in time where Hopper GPUs, like Hopper Generation GPUs,are actually worth more today than they were at MSRP when they were new and going,well, this is how it works now.Yeah, until they're not.Yeah.So we'll see how that goes.
02:31:05Actually, not we'll see how that goes.We know how that's going to go.That will not continue forever.Let's see, there's a few other things that I had kind of wanted to touch on before we move to After Dark.Do you have like three minutes or?Let me check.Let me check the schedule again.It has everything.
02:31:30It has everything.Okay, so my flight is.No, I got a few more minutes.I can go for like another 15 years.It says pack bags from now until 1230.As you can see, I have not packed,but I also didn't really unpack in any of the rooms.I had my whole really.
02:31:59routine locked down. So I would walk in at night. I would open up my carry on style suitcase.I would take out my clothes for the next day, strip down, take everything that was dirty,put it into my dirty laundry bag. And then I moved actually my toiletries and like my chargersand stuff. I moved all of that out of my carry on luggage and I put that all in my backpack.So then I would put my backpack next to an outlet and I would plug everything in my backpack into a charger that would then just be in the morning, just be pulled out and put into the sleeve and would just all stay wired up.And then, yeah, in the morning I would just, uh, toilet trees.I also normally keep in my luggage, but I moved to my backpack.So I'd like brush my teeth, throw on some deodorant, put on a hat and hop that into my backpack and walk out the door.
02:32:50That was it.I've got it down to like four minutes or something like that.So.Okay, so what do you want to talk about that?Because, yeah, okay, sure.Turns your TV back into just an idiot box.People are using AI to make TVs dumb again.See, there are cool things you could deal with it.
02:33:13Come on.With ads, bloatware, sluggish menus, and tracking, TV ownersare using tools like Claude Code to clean up and customize the home screens.In one particularly charming example,someone vibe coded a Pokemon-themed TV home screenthat looks like a little Pokemon townthat they can navigate and launch their apps and adjust their settings with.The menu options became a poca battle where you navigate the fight menus to change your settings.
02:33:37Projects like Clean Your TV and Dumb TV use existing Android developer modesand its Android debug bridge plus some vibe coding to help people remove or disable unwanted ads,replace launchers, and block some forms of tracking.It's worth noting that these tweaks can break things or even brick a TVand they don't guarantee complete privacy.Support also appears to be limited mainly to Android slash Google TV devices.Our discussion question is, I just watched the LTT video about the Collidercape,and in that video you mentioned that its menus reminded you of Final Fantasy.
02:34:14If your TV had to take on a famous video games user interface slash menu system,which game would you choose?Oh, I do think that would be pretty sick.like Final Fantasy 6 blue battle menu to navigate things.But I probably wouldn't do that.I would just want the cleanest possible interface.Just give me my inputs and my Plex app link YouTube as well.That's actually all I need on my smart TV.
02:34:49Definitely not undertale and dress 528.Cute game, fun story, not great interface in my, in my opinion.It's just my opinion, just my opinion.All right, what else we got today?Would you do this, Luke?What?A new interface for your smart TV.This seems like a Luke project.
02:35:28Yeah, I mean, it does.It seems like a Luke aspirational project, but that he would hit around too.I don't actually use my TV that much, so that's, that's, that's,That's probably true because of that factor.It's interesting.The line where it's like it's worth known in these tweaks can break things or even break a TV that don't guarantee complete privacy.That part's the like, I don't know that I'd be all that interested in vibe coding my own solution.I know, you know, with a lot of stuff that's going on with gamers Nexus and Wendell and those guys right now looking at LG TVs and lots of other things.
02:36:07I'm expecting there's going to be, there is really cool, custom.I'm going to make it for myself.I'm going to vibe code this.Maybe I'm going to do some of it manually, whatever.I've seen some really sophisticated, really cool thingsthat people that I know that have no coding experience have made.I've genuinely seen some, like, actually very surprisingly high-level stuff.For situations like this, if I'm modding my case,
02:36:41TV or something like that. I would wait for a community contributed project that like we,you know, we're we have a high confidence that it's going to work on extra Y TVs. It doesprotect your privacy at this point. These are the various things that it's going to do. Maybeyou can customize an X, Y, or Z way. But like, I'm, I'm more interested in that partiallybecause of maintenance. I think a lot of the vibe codeenjoyers are underestimating maintenance. I think a lot of the vibe coding enjoyers have notexperienced the idea that things update around you and require you to update yourself.You cannot just survive in a bubble in the modern internet. And I don't want to get too
02:37:34overly invested in a ton of my own vibe coded solutions that I now have to fight to constantlymaintain and update all the time. Even if it's like,like hello, current, whatever AI system I'm currently using,please update thing.The chance that it fails or whatever else is decently high.So for something like this, I'd be more interestedin a community project that I deploy onto my TV.I am unfortunately, I have an LGTV.
02:38:07So I have been paying attention to what'sgoing to come out of the woodwork, what can I do to it.etc. And will probably deploy something.I just don't know what.Last big topic. This is pretty cool.Developer Daniel Blanco has made a mod that brings DLSSS5 neural rendering to AMD GPUs.He's testing on an RX-90-70XT and apparently his goal is to try to match the DLSS-5 performance of a 5070 TI.The mod targets three generations of AMD GPUs, RX-6,000, 7,000, and 9,000 cards.
02:38:45and includes other features, including super resolution,ray reconstruction, and frame generation that are further along on the 7,000 and 9,000GPUs while 6,000 support are still catching up.Obviously, this is an unofficial mod, so your compatibility and your performance may vary.Not to be outdone by friggin modders.AMD and Microsoft announced FSR 4.1 upscaling support for Xbox Series X and Sand the handheld Xbox ally family with beta drivers for the handhelds coming outtoday. PC games that already supported FSR 4.1 should benefit once these drivers are installed.
02:39:21As for the Xbox series consoles, a handful of enhanced series games are planned for the2026 holiday season. Console games will need developers to add FSR4.1 through an update orincluded in a new release though, so existing games won't automatically get the upgrade.FSR 4.1 is also reaching older AMD hardware. The rollout includes Radion RX-6,000 GPUs as well assupported Ryzen chips used in some laptops and handhelds.Tom's Harbor reports that while FSR 4.1 is becoming more accessible,they found that there are some obvious performance tradeoffs in older GPUs.They tested on an RX-6900 XT and Cyberpunk at 4K using balanced mode
02:40:00and found an approximately 13% performance cost compared with FSR3.However, they noted that the higher upscaling quality might let gamers useperformance mode where they might normally have used balance and so on,which might help to offset that performance.cost.Let's move into After Dark.Holy crap.We never really just talked about
02:40:21comms and how they work and stuff.So if you're not familiar with the show,comms are a great way to interact with it.You order something at an LTT storeand you leave a little message.It goes to producer Dan.I assume he put himself on screen.Hey, there he is.
02:40:35Who will pop it up on screen,like that one that's up there now,or who will respond to itor who will curate it for me and Luke to respond to.Dan, you want to hit us with a few of those.Yeah, sure. I've only got a couple to go here.Hi, L, L, and D.Greetings from Brazil, picking up a tech sack and some T-S cables.
02:40:55Since Linus is traveling, what's the weirdest item in your own tech sacksthat gets you weird looks from airport security?I accidentally brought these with me,and this got pulled out of my bag.every single time to have the blade measured on it.And I got through.I was able to carry these onto every plane,Trans-Pacific and domestic here in China,
02:41:31in spite of the fact that this is like quite weapony.Meanwhile, I think it was Jack's stubby screwdriver got confiscated.Can we just stop with the security theater at this?point because it seems to be pretty much completely arbitrary. The fact that this is, yeah, sure,it's only like an inch and a half long. But if this inch and a half got into a neck,like it's game over, brother. Um, meanwhile, that screwdriver, what are we even talking about? A stubbyscrewdriver? The blade, even if you put like a, you know, let's say a flathead, the skinny flatheadcould be pretty sharp if you were to go stabby stabby with it.
02:42:19It would be like this long.What are we doing?And then meanwhile, I accidentally, I feel so stupid about this.I brought a prototype of the LTT battery bank with me because no one really cares most of the time,except in China.They have their triple C certification for power banks because one power bank lit on fire on a trainonce or something. And so it got taken and now I lost my my prototype of our battery bank. I'mvery upset about that. And like the triple C thing, it feels super arbitrary too because you're allowed
02:42:59to fly internationally into China with a non-T triple C battery bank. You're allowed to fly internationallyout of China without a triple C battery bank. But you take a domestic flight in China. Oh, you have toOkay. So you don't care if like a bunch of Chinese nationals who are flying overseas die in a plane fire, but you care if it happens if they're flying between Beijing and Shenzhen. Like what are what are these rules? There. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.And the last one today. Hey, LLD, currently not working because I'm waiting on fly scan to send a tech from Canada to die.diagnose a PC issue. What difficulties or delays have you encountered working with out of country companies?We run into stuff on the float plan side all the freaking time, man, where there's like,oh, cool, we have this really awesome feature in Stripe where you can do some really cool things for yourcustomers. Like, they're going to be stoked, you're going to be stoked, this is going to be awesome.
02:44:10Oh, you're a Canadian company.Nah. Never mind. Doesn't work. See ya. And it's not just Stripe. It's just that's the most recent one and most common to be fair because they deal with financial stuff and it's much more complicated. It's not really their fault. Blah, whatever. Disclaimers out of the way.Yeah, just things being like, oh, wow, this is getting a North American launch. And then it's just only in the States is like, oh, okay.Cool.Anything from your end?No, I don't think so.Not that I can think of.That's all I got.
02:45:01All right.Well, this was an absolute blast.Thank you all for tuning in.We will see you again next week.Same bad time.Same bad, Jim.Bye.Thank you, guys.
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