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THEMOVE - Tour de France 2025 Stage 4 | THEMOVE
Episode Date: July 8, 2025Lance, George, and Sir Bradley Wiggins marvel at Tadej Pogačar's incredible show of force on Stage 4 of the 2025 Tour de France to win the stage and get his 100th career victory, signaling that any p...otential challenge to his campaign to win the overall will be extremely difficult. Outside of Pogačar's win, the crew discusses how his top GC rival, Jonas Vingegaard, performed, how a few pre-race GC favorites are already losing time, and highlights the impressive ride from Pogačar's teammate, João Almeida, as well as the surprising results from a few young, up-and-coming riders. Before they wrap, they check back in with Spencer Martin from WEDŪ's race prediction show, OŪTCOMES, and Bradley provides an in-depth breakdown of the pacing strategy that the top GC contenders will use in tomorrow's individual time trial. Catch Spencer & Johan on OŪTCOMES on THEMOVE feed and use our special link to see where you can bet in your area and claim the best sign-up offers https://nxtbets.com/betoutcomes/ Zwift: Zwift just made it easier than ever to get on the virtual roads. All Zwift-ready trainers come with the new Zwift Cog and Click installed, making them ready to ride from the box - no extras needed. Zwift-ready trainers start at just $299, meaning anyone can jump into world-class indoor training without breaking the bank. No excuses. Just ride! https://zwift.com Roka: THEMOVE listeners get 20% off. Just go to https://ROKA.com and enter code THEMOVE at checkout. Honey Stinger: Head on over to https://honeystinger.com/themove to check out all of their products including my favorite, the waffle. Our listeners can get 25% off your first order at https://honeystinger.com/themove by using the code THEMOVE. Ketone-IQ: Take your shot: Get 30% off your subscription, plus a free gift with your second shipment at https://Ketone.com/themove Square: Square keeps up so you don’t have to slow down. Get everything you need to run and grow your business—without any long-term commitments. And why wait? Right now, you can get up to $200 off Square hardware at https://square.com/go/THEMOVE. Run your business smarter with Square. Get started today. Ventum: Enter Ventum Trivia of the Day for a chance to win the Grand Prize: $5,000 of store credit towards any Ventum bike. Don’t want to leave it to chance, 10% off sitewide using the code THEMOVE10 or 20% off any NS1 road bike build with code NS120 https://ventumracing.com/themove/
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But what a performance. I was thinking back to April when we were watching him win the
Tour of Flanders. A week later, in a position to win Paris-Roubaix. Here he is at the Tour
de France in the world champions jersey. It's Merck's-esque what he's doing.
That's right.
There's no words to describe this guy. We're running out of words.
No we aren't.
Well, I get asked a lot of questions about him and because people have heard us go on the record and refer to him as
Yeah, I think what we view now is the greatest of all time. We do what we're seeing and the things he's doing is
You can't not say that right?
We are back welcome back to the move podcast Lance Armstrong joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins
and Mr. George Baldoni.
I'm not sure where you're getting that.
If there was ever a time. I think Baldoni's a guy.
Who was that last night? That was a lady calling some other, she said she thought you were somebody else.
Oh yeah. I get that a lot.
It's a friend of mine, actually. I get that a lot.
I knew exactly who she was talking about.
And as I told you last night, it just pays to be nice to people.
Random people come up, it's nice to be nice to people.
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Anyways, we are talking about stage four, as is the case each and every day. Today's show
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Alain Rousseau Stage four, from Amiens Métropole to Rouen.
Hill, exceptional performance by Tadej Pogacar. I know this sounds like a podcast you might Hilliard The second quickest, 200 Pro wins. The great Eddie Merckx got to 100 Pro wins at the age of 25.
Tadej Pogacar is 26.
Got some other stats for us.
Peter Sagan got to 100 at the age of 27.
Mark Cavendish at the age of 27.
Andre Greipel the age of 31.
Tom Boonen 31.
Pitaki 32.
Robbie McEwen 35. Alejandro Valverde 36.
Pretty exceptional.
He animated the race.
I mean, it was fun to watch.
We're going to get into all that.
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Well, I mean, Tidy Pocachar, exceptional. Bradley, there was a minute there. To your
point earlier, going back a few days in the previous
show, this is a two-man race. We saw that in Spades today. Interesting there with Vingagard
effectively getting dropped, turning around, realizing there was nobody there. I don't
know if that came over the ear like, hey, you have to close this gap. Don't get stuck
in no man's land.
Mason-Pasquale Yeah. I mean, we don't know, do we? But George
made a good point that that certainly probably
came over the radio. But what a performance. I mean this guy, I was thinking back to April
when we were watching him win the Tour of Flanders and a week later, you know, in a
position to win Paris-Roubaix. And here he is at the Tour de France in the world champions
jersey. It's Merck's-esque what he's doing. There's no words to describe this guy. We're running out of
words.
Well, I get asked a lot of questions about him because people have heard us go on the
record and refer to him as... I think what we view now is the greatest of all time. What
we're seeing in the things he's doing is you can't not say that. And he has a great team. You pointed out Almeida's work.
He was in a perfect position. I loved the race.
Hats off to ASO. This first week can be boring.
It isn't what we thought. This has been wildly exciting.
Hill, like we said the other day, this looked like a tough stage. But if you look
at the results, it looks like a horse category mountain stage. You have the best climbers
in the entire world, bodies everywhere. Tade has changed the game. Tade has changed the game
in the way these people race.
The level has gotten so high that only the best climbers in the world are able to follow that pace.
We saw what UAE was doing. We saw what Wiesma was doing.
There was a mental battle between teams trying to establish the dominance.
Of course, Tadej won the race today, but it was pretty close in terms of their hitters
doing the work for each other. Super exciting stage.
The breakaway early on was some of the best breakaway artists in the entire world.
This is not a panic who can break away. These guys are stage winners.
You only see these guys in the breakaway on a tough day like today when it's really,
really hard to make the breakaway. So I made it for just an incredible race day.
Matteo Jorgensen going for the win there.
I love seeing that.
America, baby, he's up there.
Super exciting.
A great, great stage.
Hill, I mean, within the first 30 guys, you had nine different time splits in stage four
of the Tour de France.
Kline Well, even that, you see Remco lose three seconds at the end.
When he made the first group.
That's an indication of how hard that actually was.
I mean, a guy like that would never give up three seconds.
It was just, everybody was on the limit.
Spencer threw out this crazy stats of today.
I mean, 10 watts per kilo for the last two minutes
of that race after such a hard day.
650 watts for Tade.
Unbelievable.
2,824 bam.
I mean, come on.
For two minutes almost.
This is ridiculous.
I mean, the guys who have won the Tour de France
in under five years ago,
they're looking at these numbers going, what the hell?
Me, them winning the Tour de France
can't touch these numbers anymore.
And this is like five to six years ago.
So not such a long time ago.
They cannot even come close to these numbers.
And that's despite the effort he made
on the previous climb as well.
Correct, yeah.
I mean, I'm sure Spencer will throw us those numbers.
Incredible.
But the level is just extremely, extremely high.
We had this conversation yesterday.
It wasn't that long ago when Egan Bernal won the Tour de France.
He was a young rider and he was so dominant.
We all sat around and said, well, I don't know what everybody else is going to do for
a few years, but get used to this.
In a conversation you had with Bernal at his ride last November, of course, he's had the crash.
He's had all the difficulties in and around coming
back from a crash like that. But he told you. He is stronger than ever. We see this a lot.
Vengagard says the same stuff. This is just a moment in time when you have somebody that's that exceptional.
Hiller-Malcolm-Morris Just to put it in perspective, not only Bernal,
but other guys that have won the Tour de France are saying that some of the numbers they're seeing these guys do for 40 minutes, at their
best they might have been able to do it for 10 minutes on a climb.
At their very best, winning the Tour de France, now they're doing this for 30-40 minutes longer
than they ever did.
It's kind of hard to imagine, but it's wild.
The level has just gotten crazy, crazy high.
It feels kind of nice just sitting here in Aspen, Colorado, doesn't it?
Kline I know.
Hill Don't have to deal with road furniture.
Don't have to deal with guys doing $2,800 BAM in the final with teams.
Kline I do have to deal with you waking up cranky every morning, yelling at me, not making
the coffee anymore.
Changing the whole game on me.
There's stresses that we have to deal with internally.
We do the move team.
All my people over here. We all know what we have to go through with him.
You're right. It's a lot easier than the Tour de France.
Grossman, Jones, and Fletcher I admit, I have been slipping.
I will remedy that starting tomorrow morning.
I want to go through, I think that moment is very significant, what we saw with Jonas.
When all of a sudden we start jumping up, screaming, going, oh no, he's getting drunk.
Why?
Even though he might have been able to come back with Remco and these guys, most likely
would have come back, the mental loss that would have implied, I mean, I'm sure the director
was like, you cannot let him go.
There's less than 100 meters to go to the top.
I mean, I don't care how bad you're hurting, you can do that final little three, four, five seconds
sprint to not lose that mental battle.
That was huge.
It was a very impactful moment in the tour so far.
I'm glad he was able to sprint back on because I thought if he rode away there, it could
be Finito for the tour.
Hill, the interesting thing too, as an observer of the race and for those
who watch the race and ride enough to know what percentages mean, and of course, it helps
to live in a place that has steeper climbs, that last pitch, we're not talking about a
little section of 15%.
It was probably a minimum of 600m at 15%. If the three of us went out and rode a 600m section at 15%,
we would look like we're on life support.
Hilliard
It's insane. It's a different sport.
Kline They obviously planned it as well. The effort
the UAE put in before that climb, we said they were really going with Almeida and everyone. It's a big commitment. I think
there's the first card laid in this Tour de France as to what we're going to see for the
next couple of weeks.
Hill, at the end of the show, we'll save to the end of the second half of the show. Where
this all stacks out with the general classification starting position for tomorrow, I think it's super important. We'll use some data points from the Dauphiné,
which was the last significant run-up to this tour, which had the big three in it.
This is Tadej Pogacar sitting right where he wants to be.
Kline I'd say the head-to-head battle between UAE and Visma was close.
Obviously, Tadej won the stage.
Almeida was MVP of the stage.
The pull he took on the second and last climb, still finishing in the first group, not losing
any time where we saw Remco lose time.
But on the other side, Matteo Jorgensen, super strong, was right there.
Lost a few seconds there, but not a huge deal.
Going for the win, Tiesp and Knut, Campenaerts, these guys were all in the past.
Hill, through an Alpason.
Kline They had interest as well.
Kline For sure, they had interest.
Vanapol was right there.
Looked like he was going to win the stage, but legs ran out of gas there in the final 50m.
Hill I mean, that shows you the difference of a guy who can... It's hard for everybody.
We know that.
But that's the difference between going that deep, going that hard,
and just having that much more.
I mean, obviously, Pogachar is a champ, right?
And he loves a finish line and he's fast, right?
He's not just a climber. He's not just a GC rider.
He's also fast and he had enough.
Well, let's not forget every race, essentially every race we've watched this year.
When Pogatar does that near the finish, see him in the douches.
Nobody can follow him.
Only Amstel Gold Race were they able to bring him back.
So in my mind, it's kind of exciting.
Jonas was still on the wheel.
Remco and all these guys were just behind.
They brought him back. Tomorrow's the time trial.
There's still a race going on here.
It's not the dominance that we've witnessed in all the classics this year. Of course, we haven't hit the big mountains yet, so we
can't really say that. But up until Stage 4, it's still a super exciting race.
Hill, just real quick on your MVP of the day, Jalwal made a little-known fact. He grew up in Atlanta.
That's pretty cool.
No, that's not true.
I thought he grew up in Atlanta.
No, that's the Spanish guy, also on UAE.
Spencer, help me out.
Ayuso.
Juan Ayuso grew up in Atlanta.
Ayuso grew up in Atlanta.
Almeida grew up in Portugal.
A little bit different.
Portugal.
Speaking of Spencer, he would tell you, and I agree with Spencer, that Almeida is the
third best stage racer in the world.
Is that what you said, Spencer? I believe that's what you said.
Hilliard What he did today was incredibly impressive. That's so funny. I thought he grew up in Atlanta. Pacing up that climb, yes, he was able to get on the wheels of Remco and all those
and sort of recover while they were chasing back to Jonas and Pogachar,
but then made all the difference in the final climb.
He chased down Juergensen and not only chased him down,
but he did like the perfect chase down.
We didn't go right after him.
He kind of reeled him in nice and easy to leave some in the tank to be able to lead out
Poguchar for the actual sprint.
So it's easy to watch that on TV going,
oh, it looks pretty chill,
but that is incredibly difficult to do.
And he, I mean, he pulled it off perfectly.
I think my hard drive is a little screwed up
because I'm realizing I didn't get the memo on the t-shirts.
Look at you. I mean, how did I not,
you guys just leaving me out here,
hold Dum Dum here on the end,
just stick him over there, put him in black.
Yeah, you seemed off to it.
You always slept in late, probably wasn't made.
I'm behind on sleep.
That's a fact.
Me too.
Yeah, yeah.
How's your sleep, Bradley?
Good, really good.
It is, you look rested.
Yeah, I'm still a little bit jet lagged, but other than that, I'm good.
Jet-lagged, altitude. There's a lot going on.
I want to give a special shout-out to Lenny Martinez back from the dead.
This guy was, day one, finished with the broom wagon.
There's a guy who makes millions of dollars a year on that team.
He's a great rider. Comes from a great family of riders.
You're not supposed to finish with the broom wagon on the first stage of the Tour de France.
He looked good.
That shows how tough a young kid like that is.
They mentioned on TV he just had a bad day.
He wasn't sick.
He's kind of prone to having these bad days once in a while.
That's a bad day.
That's a real bad day.
But he bounced his back.
I believe Christian Vandevelle mentioned that he made the group similar to
the first stage of Tour de France.
He was in the groupetto one day in Dauphiné.
The next day, he won the Queen stage.
The dudes got definite swings in performances.
But if you get a win, that's all that matters.
Another bad day for Rolich as well.
32 seconds.
I know.
I was bummed about that.
But you mentioned something where he said somewhere that he
didn't really care.
Muckerman He's been playing off in interviews, yeah, saying he's just here to make sure he
gets round and he's not that bothered about having a Tour de France on his pal Mares.
He's made some sort of bizarre comments, which could be viewed as him deflecting the pressures
and what we talk about every day with him. But he's running out of chances. Hilliard I was going to say, the results are not reflective of deflecting.
The results are, I think he's living up to what he's saying. He's such a likable writer.
Matthew Vanderpool stays in yellow, I think we all thought for a hot minute.
Muckerman Same time.
Hilliard Same time.
I think we all thought forued skin suit. Hilliard I know. Custom-fit.
Kline Tested in the tunnel. Now all of a sudden you've got something.
They pull out of a bag and say, here, good luck, young man.
Hilliard Didn't you make your own skin suit once and they didn't let you wear it?
Kline Did I? You know I don't remember.
Hilliard
Hill I saw it before we go to commercial break for
Peacock. I saw another interesting headline. Obviously, a lot of talk yesterday about the
crash of Jasper Phillips and terribly unfortunate, not just for him, his team, but the entire race.
Broken collarbone out of the race.
Cochard seems to have received most of the blame for that crash.
I still am on the fence and or almost in support of him.
A lot going on.
Team Coffides was just sick of it.
They're sick of the social media haters.
They are going to take action. They are going to take action.
They are going to sue haters.
It's pissed me off.
This is breaking news. If you're allowed to sue haters on social media, G and I have already
been on Zillow this morning.
We've been on Zillow. There's a $45 million thing up on Red Mountain.
We're looking at yachts, yizzies.
Yizzies? Maybe jizzies.
It's going to be crazy.
If that's a thing...
Go for it. Good luck.
Y'all better watch out. We'll be right back.
Alright, and we're back.
Bradley, we were watching the final.
This always happens. Days are like, wait, who's that?
As this sport does evolve quite quickly. Notice this young
rider on what used to be Team DSM. This young kid, Oscar Omley. And everyone's like, who's Oscar Omley?
Hilliard
He's great. Good young kid. Second tour de France, 22 years of age, from the Scottish borders.
Won a stage in the Tour of Down Under.
Is it Hillie there?
Is it Hillie there?
Very Hillie, yeah.
Yeah, it's Hillie.
Yeah, yeah.
He won the stage in the Tour of Down Under last year. Third at the Tour of Swiss this
year.
Yep, won a stage there.
So he's 22 years old.
22 years old. Big talent. He's been world to the fore the last couple of days.
And he's been on that team since the development days.
Yeah, he's been there very early on you think a guy like him
maybe comes up to the ranks of perhaps in any else or somewhere from from
his parts and
They spotted him very long. This kid was there. Yeah, no not to mention
I mean now we have a really interesting exciting young rider battle going on. I mean
Dr. Lon you're messing with me. No, I'm dead serious. They even. I mean, Vakulon, Hanley. I can't tell if you're messing with me.
No, I'm dead serious.
I mean, these guys are
Skelmos,
I mean, four guys that have won
World Cups, Olympics, all kinds
of stuff. That is the
future. Okay, we talked about how
young Tadej is and how
young the rider is winning the Tour de France is. But
look at this list of four riders at the
top of the overall young rider standings.
Exciting stuff.
They're going to be battling it out for a while.
Arguably, Remco will take it over tomorrow.
Still, I think it's going to be a battle for the next few weeks.
Hiller-Malino-Ross Another interesting point Spencer brought up was,
I've been reading these headlines for a couple years now.
This completely flies in the face of what we grew up racing on in terms of crank length.
I basically always rode 175s. You probably did, too.
Sean Yates was always riding 180s, I think.
And the thought back then was...
Hill, at some point, injured and rode 185s.
...185s. So, longer cranks.
Or, another way to say that would be a longer lever. They're
going shorter and shorter. And we're hearing Jonas is riding 160s. Apparently, at the Dauphiné,
somebody walked up to the team car, measured his time trial bike cranks, and they were
155s. Just going, I don't know.
On the time trial bike. Would you go big around your time?
Trouble like I mean back I have one seven sevens across the board across the board
Yeah, yeah, but when I did the hour record it was the first time this new information was coming through that it reduces your
sort of drag and kind of shortens you doesn't it kind of coming down shorter and
And it was a better way producing power because it alleviates the dead spot suppose
So I rode one the 70s in my hour record attempt really which was when this information was coming through this sort of news
And how long did it take you to get used to that?
It took a while cuz you got to drop your saddle. You've got it. Your knees don't come up as high
You're gonna shorten everything you can go lower at the front end
So they kind of did you switch over on the road to adjust your switch on the road to try and get used to that
Yeah, That's interesting.
One of these days,
during the boring
stage, we needed to talk about the arrow record because
that's the hardest thing you can do
in cycling. Yeah, you said it was an attempt.
I don't think it was an attempt, but I mean, you were
successful. I did it.
That's not an attempt. Yeah, the guy who took my
arrow record was doing a great job on the front today, Victor
Kampenats. That's right. attempt. The guy who took my art record was doing a great job in the front today, Victor Kampenarz. Hill, Jr. That's right.
I love this guy.
Kline He was in beast mode today.
Hill, Jr. The show, the listeners know.
I love this Kampenarz.
He did a great job.
Almost like he was wearing...
Kline Victor, listen up.
The man is not like many people.
Hill, Jr. That's very true.
But be nice to people.
Almost like he was wearing a visor.
Was I making that up?
That helmet he had on?
I think he does have a clear visor.
It was a clear visor.
Yeah.
Our friends over at Ekoi have the helmet with the visor now as well.
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Last one of the day. Today's partner, also Square.
A little bit like George. Wigo and I?
Wow. Wigo and I? Not Square. George? Square.
By the way, before we talk about Square, I think, and George got, we did touch on this
yesterday, he got suckered into buying one of these hats in Aspen. You go and walk around Aspen,
and there's this store that sells these hats. Homeboy walked in the other day with a hat.
And I said, oh, don't. You got to just name it.
Hill, you want me to wear it tomorrow? Y'all write in. See if you want to see it. I'll wear it.
Yes or no on Baldoni's hat. But it got suckered.
I think it suits you. Just like all the other Bachelorette parties.
Kline- Which, by the way, I mentioned it the other day. I would love for you to just say
three nice things to me every day, moving forward. There's something nice I did to you.
Moser Okay, you ready?
Kline- Okay, go.
Moser Okay, number one, thanks for making the coffee this morning.
Kline- Okay, one. Y'all heard it. I don't have to think that hard. Come on, Keith.
Moser Bradley, help me out here.
Kline- The other thing I did which you the other thing which I did and then you you
do you criticize the way I did it. I packed our bikes to go.
We're gonna ride straight from the show here and it's with it put the bikes in the car.
I went out. Well, first of all, I went outside and the back of my car was open. I was like,
that's weird. Did I leave the back open? I was like, no, surely he didn't pack the bikes.
I walked around and I looked inside. Well, packing would be a generous way of describing it.
It's more like he chunked them in the back of the car.
Hill, I had the wheel bag separating. I thought I did a good job. I was just trying to expedite our departure.
No. 2, thanks for packing the bikes.
Frankel, thank you.
That's it? I only got two?
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slash go slash the move. That's square.com slash go slash the move. Hilliard Hiller No, I completely agree. I also disagree. I think that they should have...
Listen, to think that we're going to do a throwback and have 100km of individual time
trailing? I get it. We're not going to do that.
But in a sport like this, in an event like this, might you have 150km time trial?
I think we should.
Barker That's super common back in our day. 50, 60km.
Hiller We had two 50s. You have disciplines for world titles,
don't you? So, we have a world time trial title. I think that should reflect a stage
in a grand tour like the Tour de France, where you have a lengthy time trial that suits the
specialists. We have every other stage that suits climbers, sprinters, etc. Hill, man. Of course, if you would imagine a world where it was longer, a la the World Championships,
you would immediately start to look to a Filippo Ganna or a Bissinger who, of course, are out
of the race.
So now we go back to these overall contenders who are arguably the contenders for the stage
win tomorrow.
Remco, Tade, and even Vingagard.
Yeah, so I feel like we should break down
what happened a few weeks ago at the Dauphiné,
where Remco put 48 seconds into Tade in a 17K TT.
Tomorrow's 30K.
So, you know, if he keeps that sort of separation,
the gap, he could maybe even be back into the yellow jersey.
Jones would be hard. I agree. The level has probably changed a bit.
Jones put 28 seconds into Tade in a 17k TT. Tomorrow's 30k.
Think about it. This is very exciting.
The anticipation onto what's going to happen tomorrow is huge.
We're all going to be glued to the TV because it's going to play a huge factor
in what happens in the rest of the Tour de France.
Hill, that time, trying the Dauphiné, I had to climb in it.
This one is pretty much flat.
It looks fast.
And it's fast.
Yep, it looks fast.
Sir Bradley, if you had to guess, with the length, looking at the profile, it's not an
out and back.
There are some turns, there are some technical pieces. Take a guess at the average speed of the winner.
Well, I'm looking at something like 38 to 40 minutes tomorrow, which will be, I don't
know, 53, 54 kilometers now, I reckon, tomorrow.
That is moving.
Yeah, that is moving. Remgo lost three seconds today, but he looked good.
I mean, he was right up there with those guys.
He single-handedly chased-
This is a terrible way to run into an event.
It is, but he has confidence in the time trial.
He single-handedly chased down Jonas and Pogi
because nobody was going to help him.
So he closed the gap.
Think about that. That's no easy task.
And yeah, he probably paid for it a bit at the finish line, losing three seconds. Not that significant, but he's
coming around. I think he's going to...
Hill, so he's your favorite for the...
Kline, yeah, he's my favorite for sure. Spencer, what do you think about that? Nobody mentioned
him having to close that gap because everybody else had teammates in there. I think that's
a huge deal and a very difficult task. Hilliard I'm really hurt. Not insulted. These are hurt feelings.
Spencer got the memo.
We have a side text. We have a side text going on.
What the what is going on here?
Maybe like secret dinner last night.
This is, I mean, y'all look cute and all, but this is dumb.
This started out as my podcast. I realize now it's not.
Mr. Popular down there at the end, the legend right here in the middle.
What am I left to do? Sue haters on social media. That's all I got.
Y'all are clearly ganging up on whatever. By the way, Spencer, while we got you, you
just continue to print money over there at Outcomes. What is going on here?
You keep picking them.
Poor Johan Bernil, the guy that, you know, we've been on the record.
This guy knows more than anybody in cycling.
Oh, he's the sensei.
He's the da-da-da.
Man, you are destroying him when it comes to Outcomes.
How much are we up?
Talk about buying yizzies and jizzies.
How much are you up so far on outcomes? Another correct prediction today.
Hilliard He was plus $350 by the time we did the second recording. That's when I put my money in, and he won.
So, I returned $450 U.S. dollars for a profit of $350.
I've put out a total of $480 so far during this tour and have collected back $1,020.
So, I'm up 112% over four days.
It's like 10,000% annually.
The fund might be opening in the next few days, but you do have to stay
humble in day-to-day sports betting. You're not going to get many runs like this. But
then, also, Johan and I have an index where I bundle us together. If you're a more conservative
investor, you just want to play the whole market, and our index is up. That's good news, too.
Hill, Warren Buffett, eat your heart out.
Hilliard Nobler I don't know if we're ready to take a run at Buffett yet.
Nobler I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Hilliard Nobler Everybody with the orange t-shirt is in that
fund, by the way. Nobler That's how you know. That's how you know
the guys that have just schmoozed up to the new sensei over there. They get the t-shirt.
We're going to get over-leveraged. We'll be out of business by Stage 20 if we get too far off our feet here.
Hilliard
We've done this in years past. If you have any questions for the show, myself, Sir Bradley, George, even Spencer. Just send us your questions
to info at wedo.team. We'll look through them and ask them. Look, we're going to have some
boring days coming up. Let's be real. Let's be honest.
Hill, I think if we can quickly run down for our viewers, I think it'd be really interesting
for them to know what time trial
favorites and GC favorites like yourselves right here would do in a stage like tomorrow,
getting ready for it. After a hard four days of racing, walk us through the morning, the pre-ride,
the warm-up. I think that'd be interesting for our viewers.
Muckerman Yeah, after a stage like today, I would have warmed down on my time trial bike. These guys have only
had five days since the start of the race, so they would have just got one couple of
last outings on their time trial bike. But really the mental state that you get yourself
in starts now, the night before. Breaking down the route, starting to get into that
mindset of warming up and getting on the bike in the morning because you'll have a late start if you're Tadej Pogacar. Maybe ride your bike,
certainly ride your time trial bike tomorrow at some point. They'll go maybe look at parts of the
course because they'll be buried. And if they've wrecked this course earlier in the year or before
the Tour de France, you won't get an idea of the race line, et cetera. So tomorrow is really just
about getting into that mindset of going out and hurting
yourself as much as possible, and the mental focus that it takes.
I mean, Tadej's going to be off late.
He's going to be chasing you in the figure.
Hiller And last Friday, I was going to come over the top there.
Structure of the day, totally different.
They've been starting more or less every day at noon.
Matthew Vanderpool will go off last at 5 p.m.
So, Tadej will be be 4.58pm. That just
completely disrupts the day and your engine.
Mason Harkness Time trial day is a lonely day. I always find.
But that day were the best days. I enjoyed those days.
Greer Isolation. Waiting. Try not to think about it too much. Just going through that
process all day. Not thinking about the outcome, but thinking about the process. From the minute
you start warming up to getting to the start ramp, they'll come make eye contact at the
start ramp, Venus, Vingagul, and Tade. Watching Eunice go off two minutes ahead of him, and
then getting in the start house, and then going out and executing that process. So,
you'll break the course down. Even though it's 33km, you'll only be thinking maybe the first eight kilometers outside of
town. Making the lefts, the right, the DS will be giving that information. And then
it's just getting into your zone while you're out there and holding power and correlating
it with speed the whole time. Really seeing how A to B as fast as possible on each part
of the course, where you're going to make the time gaps. There's no point in smashing
it downhill that's a straight line because everyone's doing 65k an hour.
So it's really dissecting where you're going to make those time gains. And Tadej is one
of the best in the world at the Tour de France.
Kline We're you watching your watts during T-T?
Lewis Always watts correlated with speed.
Kline Correlated with speed. Okay. And so how would you judge the pace like on a climb when
you had a downhill coming? What would you do with your? Like on a climb when you had a downhill coming, what
would you do with your watts on the downhill? Will you use it for recovery or just do you
use it try to hold high speed, low watts?
Muckerman You've really got to feel it. There's no point
putting 500 watts out downhill when you're not going to gain any more speed than someone
else doing 400 watts with a great position who's also doing the same speed. There's no
real climbs on here. So It's really just a case of
it sitting on that high end of threshold. Any small incline, if it's 1% or 2% at certain weights,
that's where you've got to maximize. That's the difference between makes a good time
truss and someone who's got the power but doesn't really get it out in time trials.
Hill, I've got one more question. I'm nerding out on this TT stuff. I think it's super interesting.
Also talk about how much more refined the warm-up has gotten. The actual warm-up. Back
in the day, we'd jump on, maybe ride in the morning, then jump on the train and ride for
an hour, do some spin-ups. Now, the timing is absolutely timed out.
Muckerman That's exactly it. Why would you ride for an hour before a time trail? The
clue's in the name. It's a warm-up. You would do five or
six minutes just rolling, and then you would get into zone two powers for five or six minutes.
Then you would get into a three or four minute block of threshold, come off ride easy for a
few minutes, and then get some 30-second surges at high end powers to really open that system up.
And then a few minutes warm down and finish exactly 10 minutes before your start ramp.
Last few bits on, skin suit up, whatever it is you want to do. Last gel before you
go up to the ramp because this is pure carb burning tomorrow. And then get to the start
house five or six minutes, bike check, sitting in that with the cool ice jackets on to keep
the body temperature down. And then it's just visualizing that whole time, visualizing how
you're going to feel when you get down that ramp, visualizing Eunice two minutes up the
road and at some point are you going to see his cars on those
long straight roads?
I think how you know.
A lot of them.
Look at them out.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's why you come to the moon.
That's why you come to the moon.
That's why you come to the moon.
I'm just in here going, my man.
My man right here.
That's my man.
Just preach.
I would just lean him back going, damn.
Love it.
I mean, I want a couple of these things.
I never thought about it that way.
I got a little story. 2012, I went into the start house, yellow jersey.
Caddell was two minutes ahead of me. And just before Caddell went into the start house,
I had seen a bit, mate. That's a real asshole thing to say.
Oh, man. I would never have said that to anybody. That's funny.
And did you see him in a minute?
I got 30 seconds, within 30 seconds of him, I think.
So, made up a minute.
Yeah, I could see him in the final.
I nearly caught him in the dofamage.
What's going on back here?
Who's that?
Cadet!
He's Welsh, is he?
I don't know what he is, actually.
No, he's Swiss.
He was also very, very particular when it came to time traveling and details.
The guy who studied the Race Bible, like nobody else did.
He was a phenomenal athlete.
Damn good bike racer.
Another interesting thing, first rider goes off at 1 o'clock.
I always liked, if I had the time, and of course it helps when the start and finish
are in the same place, I always like to jump in the car and follow one of the guys on the team.
To your point, Bradley, you can go preview this course.
It doesn't matter the month. You're right.
There are no barriers. The corners don't get narrow.
All of a sudden, you get in the race and you're like, uh-oh, road furniture.
They just narrow this thing up. Who put that barrier, that barricade there?
So, I would always go sit in the car behind. You try to pick a guy who's a stronger time trial,
so you could see somebody taking these corners at speed. Just sit there. It would be an opportunity
also to catch up with Johan and our reflections and thoughts about the course as we followed.
A guy like Pena, for example. We would encourage him to race all out so that you could follow a guy attacking the
course at speed.
Greer You want to love in the prologue as well.
You'd follow me once in a while in prologues.
Greer Sure for you.
Greer Before you say something, Bradley, the other thing you mentioned that I think is
extremely important is the focus and the visualization.
Because no matter how many times you've done that time trial course and you know it in
your head, it's completely different when you've got 20 deep on each
side for 25 kilometers. People screaming in your ears. So the visualization and the focus
is as important as anything else.
Muckerman It is. But you can use that to fuel your focus
as well. It's quite an incredible thing. And the other thing with the Tour de France time
trials is it seems to take the whole day day. The first ride is off at 5 past 1. By the time you're off at 5 o'clock,
there's a lot that can happen with wind direction, the wind getting up, the wind dropping.
So, you tend to be racing the people around you, which for the GC battle is your main rivals.
It's not like Eunice is off three hours before you're like a prologue where you get to choose where you go off. Hill, Jr.
Three time checks tomorrow? So in a, what did you say, 38, 40 minute effort?
You're talking about three time checks. You're Tade, you're getting a lot of information
pretty early on. Tadeus I always loved that. Like, I mean, yes,
you can start to see somebody up the road, start to see the tail of their caravan, but those actual
time checks.
Mason-Pierre now on the straights, and they're six seconds up. You think, they've gone out too fast.
This isn't something where you get a six seconds, I've got to pick the pace up now. You should
be running from A to B as fast as possible, and your strategy is that. You shouldn't have
any in the tent to race to it. There's a lot to dissect.
Hill, I'm going to start sitting back there with Spencer. I'm honest to God.
It's a long race. It's three weeks. sitting back there with Spencer. I'm honest to God. We might give you more of these T-shirts.
It's a long race. It's three weeks.
Y'all got another T-shirt like this for him?
It's been a long time moving at this. I don't think anybody would mind if I just went and
chilled and took an early tea time. A lot of these days. Just let you guys fire.
My friends, I'm just telling you, sitting over here, amazing. Thank you for that.
Today, it's time for today's Ventum Trivia.
Yesterday's question, history was made at the finish of Stage 3 of the 2024 Tour de France.
What happened? Pretty much everybody knew this one.
Bignan Guermay became the first Eritrean to win a stage in the Tour de France.
Stage 4's question, while not a famous summit in the tour, stage four features the
Cote Jacques-en-Cotille, a 2.6-kilometer category four climb named after the French cyclist Jacques-en-Cotille.
What two things did En-Cotille accomplish to get this climb named in his honor?
That's our Ventum trivia question of the day. Wow. I'm still sort of speechless.
I was seriously nerdy. I don't nerd out about bikes. Ever. Ever. Nothing gets me interested.
I shouldn't say that. That was interesting. Yesterday, this talk of breaking down the
lead-outs for Cab, his little quirks in his intricacies and the cues.
Man, I was on the edge of my seat. I just got it again today.
Damn! What else do we have to talk about?
Niu-Mak of Hosts I think we're good.
Time to go for a bike ride.
Niu-Mak of Hosts Ended on a high.
Niu-Mak of Hosts Yeah, that was amazing. All right, everybody,
thank you so much for tuning in. We will see you tomorrow. See how this all plays out. What happens? Can Remco win the stage? I think he's on his heels.
If I were sitting on a show with Johan and Spencer over there at Outcomes, I think Tadej
Poguchar wins this time trial.
Niuentz If you invest in the Spencer and Johan Outcomes show, you get a t-shirt with an orange logo.
Remember that.
Hill, I'm going to go with Jonas tomorrow.
I don't hate that pick.
Jonas is going to spice this GT up.
For the dynamic of the race, for the drama, for the interest, that would be incredible.
Right now, Momentum has switched his address,
Mr. Momentum. Let's be honest, Jonas Wingergaard got dropped today. He did. He could not hold the
wheel. Now, he got back. I get it. No, he couldn't. He couldn't hold the wheel of Tade.
Hill, I'm just telling you, he is thinking about that.
I don't want to say that without absolute certainty. He couldn't hold the wheel of Tade. I'm just telling you, he is thinking about that.
He's thinking about it right now.
I promise you.
That's not supposed to happen in his world.
That would be a real disruption to this race, which is amazing.
Alright, everybody, thanks for tuning in.
We'll see you tomorrow! tomorrow.