Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Number 1 Pickleballer Anna Leigh Waters Joins & Mavs Win the Cooper Flagg Sweepstakes

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

The Mavs appear to have captured the Flagg!  Matt and Jerry share their thoughts on this year’s wild NBA Draft lottery results and explain why Dallas should hang on to that #1 pick for dear life even if it means turning away offers for Giannis Antetokounmpo.    Then, if you haven’t heard of Anna Leigh Waters yet, you certainly will soon!  The number 1 pickleball player in America and the country’s next young superstar athlete joins to talk about her amazing rise in the sport, the fallout from beating her mom in a match at age 12 and so much more!  Finally, Jerry explains to us how shouting “hit” and “miss” on the set of Battleship eventually landed him a role in Lone Survivor, and we answer the question of how old your child needs to be before you can tell people that they’re good at a sport.  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s    Find your new favorite Frosty Fusions™ flavor today with choices like OREO® Brownie, Caramel Crunch, and Pop-Tarts® Strawberry.  https://m-wendys.app.link/frostyswirl25  Nissan  Take adventure to new heights in the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada.  Go to https://NissanUSA.com/Armada to learn more.  NHTSA  Click It Or Ticket. http://www.nhtsa.gov/clickit  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What do you do when your six-year-old loves basketball and it's just not there? I just want to tell him like do you know how many thousands of hours I put in to be a mediocre? recleague player Thousands of hours just to be like a guy that doesn't get picked last that took Thousands of hours to roll up to the schoolyard and be like, all right, we'll take Jerry with the third pick. That was thousands of hours. ["School Yard"] Welcome to another episode of throwbacks.

I'm having the caffeine issue. You know, you try to calibrate the caffeine, right? And like, you want it to peak when you need it. I'm like over the line now. I've had too much. The problem with you is you're like an extremist. When you peak, you're fucking rocking. But when you go on your down, you're like, I don't really want to be around Jerry right

now for the next fucking 30 minutes. That's so funny how well you got to know. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you everybody for listening. We haven't been on for a while. I know. Leave a comment on the YouTube page. Follow us on all social media platforms at Throwback Show.

We got a good one. Don't forget to subscribe to on Apple and Spotify and leave a review. That really helps. We got a good one for you today, but we do have a lot to talk about. We got a lot to talk about, man. Took the week off last week. We needed a, you know, I've gotten used to seeing you. There's the problem that like we did LA live shows, then we were in Green Bay together. So now we're in New York and then New York. So, you know, I've missed you even with the week off. So now we're gone like two weeks. Then we were in New York. And then New York, so you know, I've missed you even with the week off.

So now we're back though, I feel like we're back. We're back, buddy. Had a busy weekend. We celebrated Mother's Day, which was nice. Happy belated Mother's Day. I did message her and told her happy Mother's Day. But- Yes, all the moms out there. But you know, you share Mother's Day.

This doesn't happen all the time, but you turned an age today. Happy birthday, buddy. 42, man. So what do you gotta do when it falls on Mother's Day? Do you gotta celebrate yours like a different day? Because Mother's Day's sacred. The funniest thing is my brother,

because my mom passed away in 2017, and my brother's like, he texts me, he goes, he goes, dude, it's kind of bullshit that your birthday mother's there today. He's like, that's fucking bullshit from all the mothers. He's like, why do you have, he was like, isn't that kind of, you've gotten to know my brother through texts a little bit.

He is unfiltered and he's like, can't they just give you the day by yourself? He was like so mad for me. I'm like, dude, it's okay. You know, it's one of those things where we celebrated my birthday with friends and, you know, locally on the Saturday before. So Mother's Day, my birthday was Sunday.

I made it very, very clear. This is like husband 101. My birthday means absolute shit on the day of Mother's Day. Yes, you're the back page. I am not, yeah, I'm not even the back page. I'm not even in the book. I told her, I said, she kept saying like, oh, this, I'm like, babe, Sunday,

like we're not celebrating my birthday. Now, she got me a cake and all these things, but it was more, it was just Mother's Day Sunday, my birthday Saturday. We had a great day, dude, just nice. The backyard is done, so we were in the pool. We had a couple friends over, some of the moms. We were just literally sitting by the pool,

all the kids were swimming. Super, super relaxed, man. It was nice. But yeah, it was a little weird. Typically, it's always on the same weekend. It's just never. I think it's seven years. I think it's been seven years or something since it's uh,

That's me. I got the Thanksgiving birthday my like every couple of years my birthday falls on Thanksgiving, but it's kind of like the opposite I feel like it's my own Christmas like I get all the great food on a holiday and I'm the only one who gets presents So although nowadays it's like my birthday. It's like we're taking the kids to Disney World Oh that that's what I'm doing for my birthday. We're in this stretch where my wife's birthday, by the way, and how about this, my wife and my mom share the same birthday. March 19th. Oh, I didn't know that.

Well, that's when you know things are like destined, right? Yeah, it's cool. But I'm in this stretch of like Valentine's Day, my wife's birthday, Mother's Day, my wife's birthday, Mother's Day, our anniversary is later than, you just gotta get out alive. Yeah, and we actually have, we have a great guest too, today, which we'll talk about in a minute,

which there's a great mother-daughter story about our guest coming up. We'll tell you all about who we have coming up. What'd you guys do for Mother's Day? What would you shower Brie with? Well, the days of like, look, obviously flowers, stuff like that, but like it's the gifts and all that. We're not about that. Never really were, but now it's more experiences. So I thought I came up with something fun. You know, like yesterday, like there was a movie yesterday where you give your

kids a yesterday, right? I'm like, I'm going to give Brie a yes day for Mother's Day, right? I'm like, I'm going to give Bri a yes day for Mother's Day, right? I think it's a great idea. A yes day. Like whatever you say, we're doing today. I have to tell her. So I kind of like the night before I tipped it off, I'm like, here's what I'm thinking. Yes day. And she's like, that's so sweet. That's really great. Um, we're not doing that because I would much rather just, I want to not make a decision day. I'm like what does that mean? She's like I want to wake up I don't want to think about where I'm eating for breakfast you tell me I don't want to think about where we're going. Just set it up. So you handled the whole day. Yeah. So I yeah up at 6 a.m.

beautiful breakfast we went by church I know she likes to dress up go to church I got the boys all dressed up. I picked the outfits, had a nice barbecue for them. So yes, she took my yes day, and she said, you could burn that in the backyard. And I want a no decision day. It pretty much was a yes day. I mean, it's basically yes to whatever you plan for me.

Right, right. So, but fellas, yeah, you just gotta get out in front of it, especially if you have like the birthday with the anniversary and the mother, just don't wait. You can't wait till the last minute. I got the anniversary coming up. We're going to be in Mexico for that. We're actually, she actually hit me up today.

She's like, hey, our anniversary is coming up. Our anniversary always, because it's Memorial Day weekend. So it always kind of is on the back burner just because we're always, it's a holiday weekend. It's a long weekend, the kids are off of school. Yeah, it's Memorial Day weekend. So it always kind of is on the back burner just because we're always, it's a holiday weekend. Right. It's a long weekend. The kids are off the school. Yeah. It's totally fine. But I was like, yeah, we're flying home on our anniversary this year. How, how, how romantic is that? So I gotta, I gotta come up with something, but it's tough with the baby now, man. So we're just, you know.

We have a really, really good guest for you today. And I mentioned mother dollar stories. Do you want to kind of set this was, this was a little bit of a map liner brainchild here. And I love that with great interview coming up. Yeah, we have a great interview coming up. So we have the world's number one women's pickleball player in the young 18 year old Anna Lee Waters. Okay, so Anna Lee Waters, call her A.L. I got to know her, I basically invested in the New Jersey Fives, which is a team under the MLP, which is Major League Pickleball.

It's a team that Gary V is pretty much. Gary V? Gary V, shout out to Gary V. Court side at the next game. Yeah, Ryan Hardwood, the GM, great dudes. They brought me in a couple years ago. And so I'm a minority owner, but just do stuff. But you own a team, bro. You're a team owner.

That's incredible. I mean, I guess. I would say that to everybody. Pretty awesome. I love pickleball. I'm excited to see where it goes. But we have just the luxury to have the greatest player in the world, and Anna Lee.

She's an absolute savage. She is basically the Serena Williams of pickleball. She's the Tiger Woods. Like she's, she's that good. She turned pro at 12, which is unbelievable and started beating professionals at 12, 13, 14 years old. She's a sweetheart. The interview is awesome, but I think the cool thing is she kind of takes us into pickleball, where it is now, where it's going, the competitive fire that she has. And it's just awesome, man. I'm excited to shed light on the sport. If you don't know who she is, you'll know.

Follow her on Instagram, all those things. She's an absolute fr savage dude. I'm sure she got her mom, her mom slash a great Mother's Day present. As you said, I mean, you mentioned her mom is a goat of pickleball to her mom's a professional pickleball and they just, they go around all these tournaments on the PPA side, which is, which is, Danalee explains this whole thing in the interview, but they play together as a mother, as a mother daughter duo and they just beat everybody's ass.

Like they're just fucking, she, yeah. She, the mom's great. She's the coach at New Jersey Fives. She's also a beast pickleball player too, so. But here's where I knew pickleball was going mainstream. You and I talked pickup basketball a lot. I was still playing pickup basketball like two years ago. Me and a buddy and like two, we'd go play like a little two on two at the rec center.

So you know when sometimes they put the big like separator between courts. So we're playing basketball on one side. On the other side is, but it's like, it's almost like a 50 and up league. Matt, people just start pouring in. There's two pickleball courts on that side. First is like the first like eight people get there to mess around. I turn and look, they're starting to now look at us. Some of these older people are like looking around the curtain, seeing when we're going to be done. And I look at my buddies, I'm like, they want us off this fucking court. They want this court to expand their game.

Because they had 30 people waiting. Yeah, it's pickleball courts are taking, there's a pickleball court that's in the Bay Club. I took you to on the other gym. It's a pickleball court with the basketball court. It gets worse. They send their leader over to us. By the way, she's probably like 65 years old, not even going to lie.

Beautiful, beautiful woman. Back in the day, now, whatever you want to say, you could tell she and she knows it too. She knows it. She knows she was hot, is hot. 65 comes over like dressed in all the sporty shit and like leans over, hi guys, um, you know, we were just wondering, we got like 30 people waiting, you guys are gonna be much longer, and um, smelled good, I'm like, bro, look what they're doing to get us off the court,

I'm like, ma'am, at first I wanted to be like, hell no, we ain't leaving, I'm like, we'll be out of here in 10 minutes, and that rec center is strictly pickleball now. Take it over, it's over. It is, it is, it's taken over everywhere. It's the fastest growing sport in the world, I believe. There's tons of money, the TV networks

are dumping a lot of money, brands are starting to dump a lot of money in it. You're seeing a lot of celebrities, athletes who are playing it. I mean, Anna Lee just played with Andre Agassi two, three weeks ago. You're seeing all these pop-up places. There's one over by us kind of like Topgolf,

but now if Pickleball is, so you're seeing all of those kind of pop up around the country. I mean, gosh, I was at a tournament last year in Atlanta and Bijan Robinson was there. He's a part of a team. I think the Atlanta team, Trey Young was there, He's a part of a team. I think the Atlanta team, Trey Young was there, who's a part of one of the teams for Atlanta.

So you're seeing a lot of these athletes and celebrities just kind of, they love playing. It's a competitive game that everybody can play. Tennis is really hard. Like tennis, tennis to me is really hard. Pickleball, you can be 15, you could be 65, and compete with each other on the court and win like that's the cool part about it And it's it's all the craze dude night and gosh selfishly

I hope it sticks but annalee's the goat man, and she's I mean top 18, but how mature is she like she's like yeah I don't have my I want everybody who listens to this and listens to her Follow her go follow some Pickleball, but go look at some of her videos online. I'm telling you, Gary, she's fiery. I've seen it. I've been in the box with our team watching her. And the thing about Pickleball that I love,

it's so intimate. The places now are starting to get packed, but like when I go, I'm in the player's box. I'm like, I'm high fiving and I'm saying, let's fucking go. I'm getting all of them hyped up. Anna Lee is a dog, dude. She's talking shit. I'm like, God damn dude.

Like 18 year old, she and she's better than everybody. Like she don't care and she knows it. And then off the court, she's like, oh, hey Matt, thanks for coming. Like, I'm like, Jesus dude, she scares me. So at what point do you and I, I've pretty much, I got, you know, I'm three years older than you, three and a half almost.

Dude, I'm playing pickleball this weekend. As I'm saying, I'm pretty much hanging up the basketball pickup stuff. When do I segue over to pickleball? And by the way, you should start to consider hanging up the pickleball, the pickup basketball stuff. I know, dude, I'm in rough shape, buddy. Two pulled calves in the last three weeks.

Just get on the pickup. A sore Achilles. My wife finally said, she literally goes, what are you doing? Don't you think it's time? She literally like, what are we doing? In that face she goes, like, babe, don't you think it's time? Maybe we stop.

That's what she said. And I'm like, yeah, this is my last season. It's my only season I've played since COVID. I'm fucking, by the way, I'm hitting threes. I'm playing pretty good. I'm feeling pretty, we're two and oh, we still got like six. I think I'm gonna take a two week hiatus. I gotta get healthy, dude. But yeah, pickleball, pickleball is by the way, I'm going to start, I'm going to start. I'm going to go find that hot older lady and just say, will you coach me? I'm gonna see if she'll coach me out. Is Brie got, is Brie, I mean,

I hope she doesn't listen to this. Is she having a, is she athletic? I don't know this. Brie is very athletic. Brie was a competitive gymnast her whole young adult life. Okay, but so was Josie. So is she competitive with paddles and hand dye? Or athletic?

Listen. It's different. I've played, I did not ever really play tennis growing. There's not a lot of tennis courts, shockingly enough, in Bensonhurst Brooklyn in the 90s. Not a lot of tennis courts. I've only played tennis in my life maybe 10 times. I've played twice with Bree. Let's just say when, I don't think we're going to breed

any little Andre Agassiz running around. We are going to sign the boys up. She's not a hand eye paddle person. Yeah. The only reason I was asking is because the only time I played with my wife, she was so bad and we got in a fight because I was like, I can't do this. Like I literally was like, can you hit the ball over the net? Can you just hit?

And we all, we got in a big fight. We were, we just, this was years ago, and we drive home and she was like, I don't like the way you were talking to me, I said, I was like, dude, how hard is it to hit the ball over the net? That's literally what I said, so. I'm asking, it's hard to play, I wish I could play with her, we can't.

It's okay though. I don't think we can either over here. So, all right, interviews come up in a second. Now it is time for Flavor of the Week, presented by Wendy's Fine, your new favorite frosty fusion flavors today, with choices like Oreo, Brownie, which we all know we all love, Caramel Crunch, Maddie,

Caramel Crunch, and Pop Tarts Strawberry. I mean, you say Pop Tarts to me, you got my attention. Every week, we're kind of gonna give you a Flavor of the Week week This one for me. I Mean, what are we doing here, dude? What are we doing? I look it's Cooper flag for sure is the flavor of the week because Obviously the Mavericks with the 1.8 percent chance of winning the lottery win the lottery all conspiracy theories Conspiracy theory it's It's kind of a theory.

We can maybe just remove conspiracy and just say it's a theory. Nico Harrison, is that his name? Just went from literally couldn't walk down the street of Dallas to now the best GM. Don't you think they missed an opportunity, though? Shouldn't they have put him balls out on the podium? They put like Rolando Blackman, who's the good luck charm now, got the,

imagine if Nico was the one sitting there, just like, waiting. I just want to know when he found out that they were going to be the number one draft pick. I'm sure they're like, Texas. They showed like a restaurant reaction from the Mavericks organization. You cannot sit here and tell me, when you look at, at dude the Mavs

won the Spurs to the Sixers three who had the highest percent of Utah? It was you well the top three flattened out you well they take the top three and they flatten the odds 14 something percent it was Utah Washington and Charlotte had the top three the three best odds to get it. There's dude dude the Mavericks were in the play-in So they were in the matter Lottery the Mavericks are gonna be fucking nice, dude So here's what here's all right so Cooper flag for sure and by the way I'm sure he would have been fine no matter what and

You know, Utah maybe they could be good one day Washington maybe they could be good one day. Washington, maybe they could be good one day. But he's going to a great organization now that is just dying to have something back from what happened with Luca. But of course, if you watch all the talking heads the last few days like I did, they're already trading the kid. The story is now, oh, Yannis is politely asking out.

Cooper flag for, I just don't get it. Why are we already trading the guy Cory is now, oh, Yannis is politely asking out. Cooper flag for Yannis, I just don't get it. Why are we already trading the guy who we haven't even drafted yet, who's 19, 18? Kyrie, Cooper, Clay, AD. Cooper's a good, like again, he's also a rookie, right? So he's like, but he's six, nine, he can play two, and he's a great defender, by the way. Like he's like 19. Yeah. He's six nine. He can play two or he can. And he's a great defender by the way. Like great defender. He can guard one through four

probably, you know, at six nine. He's tough. Like he's surrounded by three hall of famers. I just don't know how for a fan base, even though you'd be trading for Yanis, I get it. There's no way dude. Well, also- Yanis is coming to LA, bro. We already know what's gonna happen. If Kyrie wasn't hurt though, let's say Kyrie's injury was minor, where he misses the playoffs like he did in the season, but he's gonna rehab.

He'll be back by September, full strength. Then you could maybe have the conversation. I love Yanis. He's incredible. He'll go down as one of the best to ever do it. He is 30 going on 31 Cooper flag is 19 Just starting out and then and then you have crazy. Yeah the Spurs at two with women Yama De'Aaron Fox Stephen Castle They're gonna probably take

Dylan Harper ace Bailey one of those kids I mean I was I was I mean this is a really good draft, everyone's saying. Like, this is a deep draft. Like, you have Cooper Flag, but there's a lot of really good players, like a lot of quality players in the top 10 to 15. The Sixers dodge the biggest bullet of all time. Because if their pick slipped out of the top six,

they lose it. So the Sixers absolutely dodge the biggest bullet. I mean, dude, NBA, Maxi, Paul George, they're going to get Ace Bailey or Dylan Harper. I mean, those are going to be your top three, for sure. By the way, there's a lot of things online that are saying the NFL should be the lottery. And I said my boy Jerry.

I started that. I said that. Wait, is that going to pick? People saying the NFL? Yeah. Who's saying it? On TV this week. Talking head TV?

Yep. What? Tanking is a disgrace. William Graham's NFL should add this. Every sport should add this. The lottery is a brilliant idea. WhoGames. NFL should add this. Every sport should add this. The lottery is a brilliant idea. Who said that?

GetUp ESPN. Oh, wow. GetUp ESPN also talked for four hours today about how they should trade the Cooper flag for Giannis. So I don't know if that's like as- I'm just saying- Honoring, but I was in on it first. You were on that.

You were on that on throwbacks. Yeah. I mean, look, I just, I don't know. Dallas Mavericks get the number one pick. Are you fucking kidding me? But hey. I do think the NBA could maybe tweak the odds. So the bottom three, maybe make it more than 14% or whatever. Yeah. 14% for the top three. Maybe jack that up because really it's going to, it's an awesome story and the conspiracy is real. It's no longer a conspiracy.

And I'm happy for Mavericks fans who's been through so much, but man does like Washington or Charlotte, Utah, man, do they actually need a player. You know how happy Cooper Flag is? Washington's like the 10th pick now or something. Dude, no state tax. Seven percent.

You're going to a real, No state tax. You're going to a good team with great players to learn. I mean, dude, that guy, that kid just won, he won the lottery. He literally won the lottery. This is how I know I've gotten to be a certain age. I'm talking to my nephew who we've had on the show about it.

And I'm like, dude, like also it's huge. Like no state tax. My nephew's like, why would someone care about that? I'm like, you'll figure it out one day when you're getting free agency, people go to states teams because of that. Oh yeah. So shout outs, Cooper flag flavor of the week. Sorry that you're already being put in. The guy's career hasn't even started.

Oh, this just saved every trade rumor. I didn't even save Nico's job because I think this whole new ownership group, I just, I really don't think they give two shits about what's going on for their team. But that's sort of just like put a bandaid in the sting of losing Luca, obviously, you know, you get the number one pick and Cooper flag, you know, another egg and another white kid out there. I mean, this is a baller. Also to second place for flavor of the week. And we're going to get to the Anna Lee interview.

Michael Jordan, special comment contributor. First of all, NBA and NBC doing their thing, making a revitalizing the nineties a little bit. I got, I have prediction. What would you want the special contribution to? So I thought this was a, on X, Karam Butler said something I thought was really cool. He goes, and I like, you know, we had like, he goes, I don't want to hear any more of this, you know,

cause you know, the TNT show and we love, we love those guys, but they also, they get a lot of like criticism too, because like how they talk about the game at times, like Kobe rest in peace would have been amazing because he was so tactical. He was so like, he broke it down, right? And he was the closest thing to MJ.

I would love to hear, no one ever hears MJ talk about basketball. Like we haven't heard, if he could break down like that type of stuff, like the ins and outs of the game and these players and all that, I don't even care in what compa- I don't care if he's like he's on a one-on-one. I don't care what he is, but I would love to hear him break down like the tactical part of the game.

Yeah. That's my question for you. It's almost like you have to think we have no idea what the special contributions will be. It could be something we're all not thinking about so small that we're like, oh, okay, that was just a headline. But if it's gonna be something real, would you want it pregame, halftime, or postgame?

If you're gonna get MJ for one special contribution, a game in the finals, or whatever it is, do you want it before the game, halftime? You can only pick one, halftime or post game? Hmm, definitely not halftime. Definitely not halftime, that's out. Yeah, post, I would say post game. I would like to see him react to what we just saw.

You know? See, I go pregame, because I want to know like, what should these guys be doing, thinking? So Tom Brady, I mean, Tom Brady took a lot of flack, right? But there were moments, and I think Tom will get very good at what he's doing in calling games. It just will happen because of who he is.

But there were moments when he was listening to, and this is just me nerding out as a quarterback, because I know what it's like, where when he's talking, I'm just like, dude, that nugget he just said was like, wow. People are like, holy shit, I didn't know that happens. It can be just something like a defense or this or that. Or when you go to a line of scrimmage, what is the thought process?

Those are the things that I would love to hear MJ, basketball is a different game, it's faster, it's all these things, but I would love to hear MJ talk. Basketball is a different game. It's faster. It's all these things. But I would love to hear MJ analyze the players. What does he think of Anthony Edwards? What does he think? No great goat debates. I want to hear him break down some of his plays.

MJ doesn't engage in that stuff. He doesn't need to do that. I don't know. I think it's going to be great. But special contributor, I don't know, man. We'll see what happens. If it's just like him waving and all that and like, you know. No, it's got to be more than that. Yeah. Like, what's he doing? Is he getting on podcasts and shit? Like, I don't know.

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Not because I think it's easier. I think it's actually way harder but I need a different challenge. First thing is like, what would you tell a 45 year old who's played like a handful of times, what would be the first thing you would say, this is what you need to work on right out of the gate? I'm trying to steal some info from you right off the rip.

Well, first of all, thank you for having me on. I'm excited to be here. Of course. But I would say there's probably a lot of things you need to work on if you've only played a handful of times. I can only do one thing at a time. One thing at a time. Well, one thing I would say is I would kind of figure out maybe a couple of things that you're good at. Um, and then like, let's just say you're, you think you're better at hitting a forehand than a backhand. Yes. Instead of being like, all right, I'm going to make my backhand, I'm going to try to make my backhand better because it's worse than my forehand. I would say like, try to make your forehand a little better. Um, so like try to make in

the beginning, try to make your strengths better before you start to make your forehand a little better. So like try to make in the beginning, try to make your strengths better before you start to make your weaknesses better. I only brought that up off the top because you recently played with my favorite tennis player of all time. Now I know it's a lot easier for a former, you know, hall of fame athlete to get into a new sport, but I had hope when I saw August. I'm, I'm, I'm a little younger. I might be able to start playing this sport. What was that like? Because he's my favorite tennis

player of all time. And you guys seem like you had real chemistry. Yeah, we did. On and off the court, we had great chemistry. I would just say I was kind of like in awe and enjoying every second of every point. I was like, whether we won or lost the point, I was having a good time out there. I really liked playing with Andre because not only was he like super intense, but he also like will crack a joke every now and then like on the court. So I really enjoyed that aspect of it. But I mean, he's a great guy. And personally, I'm very impressed with how well he can play for not only his age, but like, he hasn't been playing tableball that long. And I

think he's got some some game. So it was fun. I thought that was great. It's just great for the sport. I think the promote, cause pickleball is still in its infancy stage. It's still kind of brand new. A lot of people are still trying to figure out, including Jerry, but I think for like the exposure

of the sport, the promotion of the sport we've seen, and you've seen more than us, like just firsthand, the other athletes, the celebrities, like just firsthand, the other athletes, the celebrities, everybody just taking a liking to this sport. What is so attractive to those types of people in your opinion and why they're picking this sport up right now? I like to say pickleball is easy to learn, but hard to master. I feel like a lot of people, whether they came from an athletic background, or just want to go out and do something

for fun, they can all learn it and pick it up pretty quickly. I'm not saying they're going to be the best pickleball player ever the first time they step on the court, but they can at least play the game and have fun doing it. Whereas usually the first time or the first couple times you learn like tennis or like basketball, you're not going to have a good time and you're probably not going to be that good at it, you know, the first time you play. So I just feel like it's a sport that everybody can go out there and play and have fun. And you don't necessarily have to be too

athletic, which is why not even talking about like pro athletes celebrities playing, but just celebrities in general. I think that's one reason they love to play because you don't have to be super athletic to still go out and get a workout in and have fun. I'm smiling because a good friend of mine, my former boss on Entourage, Doug Allen, is obsessed. He's been obsessed with pickleball. I know Doug. You know Doug. You know Doug. I've known Doug since I was like 12 or 10. All through pick- so you've seen his pickleball obsession.

Yeah, like Doug kind of started out at first years ago with Entourage. Number 10. All through, so you've seen his pickleball obsession. Yes. Yeah, like Doug kind of started out at first, years ago with Entourage, it was like a ping-pong obsession first. And he graduated from ping-pong to pickleball, but every week I would get texts like, oh, I just played with this guy, this girl, like all these names. And I'm wondering who is like the non Former athlete or tennis player that you played with that maybe has a little bit of a good sneaky game Is there something that comes to mind it might be Doug to be on?

that credit Like five five like Doug is very good like he if he's telling you he's good like this is One scenario where it's actually true. Like he is actually like a baller. Yeah. Sorry. It's probably not the answer you wanted to hear, but Doug's pretty good. Well, we're all competitive, but, and he does rave about his pickleball game. If you're saying that, then I have to, I have to. I would love to see, have you ever hit a, have you ever played tennis, Jerry?

A handful of times. That's the problem. And where I grew up in Brooklyn, it's like, there wasn't a lot of access to tennis courts, golf courses, really. So that's why I'm like late to all that. But no, I obviously, literally, it was the first tennis match I ever watched was him versus Ivan Isavich. So that's why I was also excited

to bring that up to you at the top. Yeah, that's cool. So I'm a little biased because I'm a part of your team, a very small part of the New Jersey fives, but I got to meet you last year and just see firsthand, pick a ball and and you your play and how competitive you are in the team. And it's just, it's so much fun to watch. And it's so much fun to watch you. And as a former athlete, I just I love and admire and respect athletes who are just like I was telling

Jerry I'm like dude you got to see her play man like I've never I've seen very few athletes with the tenacity and the aggressive like the competitive spirit and you know the queen of pickleball and they're like like you're 18 years old you are you are you're the best player in the world. And I was, I actually texted Ryan Harwood, the GM of the fives. And I was like, can you just send me her record? And I don't, I would actually like you to kind of

break this down a little bit, because I know there's a lot of, a lot of our audiences, a lot of guys who probably follow a little pickleball, golf, all these sports, but break this down, but 148 PPA gold medals somewhere around there. Maybe there's more. 33 triple crowns. I want to know what a triple crown is. MLP, which obviously the MLP, which I'm a part of the fives kind of just started, but the MVP of the premier division, there's two divisions that premier the challenger. I think the list

goes on and on and on before you kind of just break down those things. Like, like you're 18 Anna Lee, what is it like? What is it like to be you right now in this sport? Um, it's kind of been a crazy ride. Cause when I started playing pickleball, like a pro tournament was taped courts, temp net streamed live on Facebook. If you were lucky, you won like a thousand bucks if you won the whole tournament then you had to split that with your partner so I kind of like to say I've kind of grown with the sport and I think that was honestly the best thing possible for me because if I was like 12 years old now being thrown into

pickleball I feel like I probably would have been maybe more overwhelmed stressed out I don't know. But I feel like because I've kind of seen it grow and I've had the chance to get a little bit older, I know 18 still isn't crazy old, but I've had a chance to learn things slowly. So now I feel pretty like this is my life, this is what I love doing.

Pickleball is not only my passion, but it's also my job, which is amazing to say. And I'm very grateful for that. But it's, it's also been amazing to travel around the country. So those are all the positives. There are obviously some negatives, but I'm just having fun. Like you said, I'm super competitive. So I love playing super people say I'm like, I have two different personalities, like on the court, I'm like, a totally different person. Like, Jerry, you wouldn't believe like if you saw me on the court versus now You'd be like is that the same person? I've seen highlights. I

I've tried to explain to him. I was like dude like you need to watch her you need it This is why I love pickleball because it's so intimate and I think that it's just like everything is there You can you can you can hear this shit talking the fans fans are there. And obviously the fives are the best fans because Ryan and just like, it's just so, hell yeah. It's just so fun. But like you're in it. Like you're right there. And I just, I told Jerry, I said, dude, you gotta,

Jerry lives in Ohio. So I don't know if there's much out in Ohio. But we gotta get him to a tournament. Okay, so just really quick, like without going too into the weeds, the PPA, the MLP, the Triple Crown, can you just in very black and white terms, kind of break it all down?

So the PPA Tour, think of the tennis tour. That's what the PPA Tour is, and a Triple Crown. I play in three events usually at every tournament, one being gender doubles. So they have women's doubles, men's doubles. So that would be like one gold medal and a triple crown is three gold medals. So the next event is mixed doubles, which is another event I play. And then the third one is gender singles. So like women's and men's singles. So I'll play the women's singles. And if you win all three of those events in the same weekend, you get what's called a triple crown.

So you got 33 of those. Yeah. So that's crazy. I remember my first goal was to win one triple crown. And that was like my end goal in pickleball is like just win one triple crown. And then I won my first one like sooner than I thought. And I was like, wait, I'm like, we need to up that number a little bit. I was like, all right, let's keep doing this. But triple crowning is insane. And that's definitely not like a goal. I don't know. It's a goal, but it's

also I know it's hard to achieve. So but that's cool. I did spend some time watching a lot of your highlights once I knew you were coming on. And yes, you definitely I could totally see the intensity and the competitiveness come out. But the thing I also liked is it, like Matt was saying, it does seem like it is kind of like that throughout the sport. And I feel like, I don't want to call it individual sport

because I know you play doubles and stuff, but I really do feel like the storylines of the players we're watching factor in so much more than just team sports, because there's so many people. And I guess for me, as a relatively new viewer, I like the fact that you may have rivals or talk trash. Like it locks me into the story and draws me in. Is that something that you think is essential for a pickleball?

I mean, the fact that like learning more about the players, but then, cause you guys play each other so much, like really diving into the rivalry of it. For sure. I definitely think, especially because like Matt said, pickleball is still in its infancy. So we're just trying to get as many eyeballs as possible on the sport.

And like you said, one way to get people who have maybe never heard about pickleball, but they see somebody trash talking to the other person and the other person getting all riled up, like they're like, Oh, what is this? Yeah. Like, Oh in and want to watch because they love the sport. But I definitely think right now they're doing a little extra trying to create some rivalries which is fun. I mean, you don't mind that right? I don't mind it but sometimes I'm like, all right, like I wish you wouldn't have posted that and like gone right you know what I mean? So like you there's good and bad sides to it but I definitely think that it's good for the view, the average viewer.

But this day and age, social, you know, everything you do or say is picked up, unfortunately, and unfortunately, but as long, I mean, I always say, as long as that's you though, like you, like that's what makes you great in this sport, is that competitive desire. Does your, I know your mom's there, your mom's the best, she's a legend in the sport as well.

I'm assuming your competitive spirit and desire comes from her. I mean, I know your dad, I met your dad too, but what's it like playing with your mom? I mean, that's gotta be the coolest thing in the world. It was, and funny enough, my first ever pro tournament I played with my mom. I wasn't supposed to play pro

and her partner like pulled out on our last minute and she's like, come on, play with me and we ended up getting silver in the tournament. She was like, all right, I think you're ready to play pro. But yeah, so we played together for a while, but it's funny cause like when we used to play, like in a tournament, we'd both play mixed doubles. So sometimes we'd play against each other in mixed doubles.

Which was crit, we're both so competitive, but it's also like mother daughter, like playing against your mom is like nuts in a pro sport. Please tell me you talk smack to your mom in that game. No, but this is funny. So she used to wipe me off the court for like the first like two years. And then we had this one tournament, bronze medal match,

and I somehow won, like, and I was like 12. So like, you're not supposed to be your mom when you're 12. And she was so upset. walked off the court, like thru her paddle, like, I remember like going into the hotel room, like she wouldn't she didn't want to talk to me like, that's just how competitive we are. We're like, no, like, my mom could lose to me, and she's gonna be, you know, mad. And then if she beats me, you know,

I'm not going to want to talk to her. I would have grounded you if Mike, if you're grounded. That's it. You're not going out for a week. Anna Lee, I have an older son. You may meet at some point. He's the same age. He's 18. And Jerry's boys, our other kids are young. And so he'll go through this.

But I just went through this like in the last couple years where obviously I was an athlete and all this and I could take him. He's almost my size. I could take him up until probably like two years ago, especially in like basketball. We play pickup basketball and I can sympathize with your mom because there was just a moment where I just knew it was over. Like I kept telling myself I got grown man strength. He can't body me up. Like, you know, like, and I was just like, dude, my,

it is over. I cannot beat my son anymore. He's officially a better athlete than me. I have, I, I've seen, obviously I've seen that. So I see, I know what it's like in doubles for you. When you and your mom are playing, if you, you guys very rarely mess up, like you very, very rarely hit a bad shot, but like how is the, I've seen the dynamic of her as your coach on the sideline. What's the dynamic between you guys

when you're playing together? So funny enough, like in practice, we argue like cats and dogs. Like we could be playing together, somebody misses a shot, we get upset or like we lose and we're like, oh, you suck. Like we get like, you're pretty upset. But then you like you put us into a tournament setting and we don't say one bad thing to each other. Like once tournament starts, we know if we start arguing, we'll start playing worse. So it's kind of like, you know,

let's do this together. And my mom's always been really good, especially even when I was younger, of like listening to my like advice to like in really good, especially even when I was younger, of like listening to my like advice to like an image. It wasn't, she was just always telling me what to do. Like it's like a very collaborative thing. And my mom used to play like the more dominant role in doubles and then now that I've gotten better, now I play the more.

So we've been able to adjust, but in tournaments we don't argue. We actually are pretty nice to each other compared to practice. Jerry, one day your boys are going to be there, dude. I feel like I'm already there. It's a lonely day. It's a lonely day.

I feel like, you know, we play basketball in like the basement. There's like a five foot hoop and I already start to feel like he's gaining on me edgewise. So that day, that day will come soon. I was curious because, you know, I, and I say it with all like, you're young, you're, you're not young, but you're young, 18. Like, especially when you're either traveling or you have a big event coming up, what is like a, and I don't know if you're still like what your school situation is,

what is a like week in the life for you? Especially now if you have something, an event coming up, balancing everything, social life, it's gotta be tricky to navigate all of it. Yeah, so I graduated high school last May, so, and I haven't done school or like any online classes or anything, we just traveled and there's so many, there's like 25 events a year, it's crazy.

I'm gone more than I'm home. So right now I'm just kind of like pickleball's there for me, like college will always be there after pickleball if I wanna go back. So I'm like, all right, let's just focus full time on pickleball. So I don't have school, which I'm very happy about. But so usually like if I'll play a tournament, I'll take like two days off from no pickleball.

And that's when I'll get my social time in like with my friends or go to the movies, do something fun, do a little like recovery work. And then I'll start like ramping up for the next tournament. So I'll slowly get back into training. And then towards the end of the weekend, I'm ready for the tournament, because we typically have a tournament every other weekend. So that's kind of the same cycle. And then I try on the days that I'm training to be done, or between like four o'clock, like around four o'clock, just so that I have some like time at the end of the day to like relax and have

some time for myself. And then sometimes I'll have like calls like with you guys or something going on in the week that I have to like put into my schedule. This week I have like a photo shoot thing that's going on. So like little things like that change, but I try to keep my weeks off pretty similar just to have some sort of routine. Cause when you're traveling somewhere different, like every other week, sometimes you're like, am I in Texas or California or you know, where am I? I don't even know what time change am I on? Like I have no idea. So create some consistency. Well, yeah, as someone who, you know, like I said, I'm being drawn into the sport now. I just, between Matt always talking about it, me just being curious about it.

And now, you know, I have a favorite player right out of the gate in you. What would be like two or three events, tournaments you would tell someone like me, like, hey, you're just diving in here. You know, it will be great ones for you to start. Here's the starter course, start with these events, or even just the ones you look forward to the most. So I would say there are four majors a year. So I would say going to one of those

would probably be a good start, because you'll see everybody at their best. Everybody's, you know, trying their hardest. I feel like it's probably some of the most intense matches. And my favorite one would probably, I don't know, it's tough, cause like it's hard for a major to be your favorite cause you're always the most stressed out for that one.

Right, right. So it's hard to choose. So I would just say any of the four majors. And then at the end of the year, there's something called the finals, where it's like the top 16 male and 16 females come to that tournament to play. And it's in San Clemente, which in

my opinion is like the nicest venue in pickleball. So I always love that tournament. I'm always probably feeling the most hurt or injured because it's at the end of the year. So I'm kind of just like, all right, I'm ready for the season to be over with. But because of the vibe and how nice the facility is, it like makes you excited to like play one more time. you know? You said the top 16 male and female, and I've gotten to know, well not know, but like learn who some of those are. Do you have, like who's your rival?

Like who would be your rival? Cause I think it's so cool too because- Ben Johns, no. Ben Johns, I was telling Jerry, like Ben Johns is the number one male, I think, or did he get taken over? I don't know, I've looked at some rankings. It depends if you like focus on a certain event

or like the average of all three. I think he's still number one if you put in the average of all three, maybe him or Federico, one of the. Yeah, so I think it's cool because I love like the mixed, I love the like, I just think it's really cool the format. Is there like someone that you love? Like I say this when I was at USC,

I didn't mind UCLA, they were our rival, I didn't care. I hated Notre Dame and I work with Brady Quinn on my show, he was a famous Notre Dame quarterback. I love him, I just hate Notre Dame. I hated Notre Dame, respect, but hey, is there male or female that you're just like you love beating a little bit more than the other?

You don't have to say anything controversial. There's probably some good matchups that you have. Well, after last weekend, I'm going to say Hayden, but I don't know if you saw that. I did. We weren't going to bring it up, so it's OK. I don't know. I just feel like sometimes there are certain matchups where like if somebody like walks

out on court and they're just kind of like super cocky, super confident. I don't know. That sometimes irks me because like I'm not really like that. Like even though I'm number one, I don't necessarily walk out on the court like that. So sometimes if somebody else does it maybe makes me a little upset. But I don't really think there's one person where I'm like Like I hate playing this person. You don't get to like I mean I'm I'm wondering because you do play a lot of the same P not a lot of the same people also you don't know who you're

Necessarily gonna be faced up with in a mass But do you watch a lot like is there a scouting level? Are you looking for tendencies before? Or is it just, hey, it's, I don't know once I get there exactly what's gonna happen. Like, how much do you get to look ahead? Probably not much. It depends, like, if I haven't played the player in a while maybe or ever, then I'll definitely watch some of their games.

But if I like played the person last weekend, I'm like, there's no way you'd learned anything new in a week. Like, you know, like, I know, like, all right, I know how you're, you know, I know your tendencies, I know where you're going to hit the ball. I know what you don't like. Um, and then my mom's there.

My mom's my coach. She's there to just remind me those things, like in a match. Um, so no, I personally don't watch a lot. Uh, my mom will sometimes go back and watch some of my matches, but my mental coach tells me not to watch myself play. Cause if you see yourself hitting like bad shots, they're like somehow I don't know. It's like me with acting I never watch a performance because you'll always find something like I could have did that better even though it worked really well

I could have did that better or that bad. I'm with you So you play you play for the fives New Jersey fives, which is Gary V and and everybody listening knows who Gary Vee and Ryan is, Gary Vee's a stud, Ryan Harwood, that whole crew. What's it been like playing for them and just having the support of someone like Gary? For sure, because in MLP ownership matters so much. Yeah. Just team chemistry matters so much and Ryan and Gary have been so amazing, not only in the sense that they like cover expenses and do stuff like that, but they also like, pair. So like, Gary will send us like a motivational speech like before an important match.

Oh, I can imagine. He'll, you know, like, and on my birthday, like Gary texts me happy birthday. They're just very like invested in the team. And Ryan like, Ryan is the GM. So obviously he's more involved than Gary, but like Ryan cares about every point. He cares about preparation. Like we'll go out to a team dinner after like every match. Like we're just such like a team with this ownership. And I've been on, uh, before I was on the fives, I was on a different

team and we didn't have the best ownership. And I was, you could definitely tell the team was like struggling because of it. It matters so much what the ownership brings. And I'm so lucky to be, when the draft happened, I was like, please, please Ryan, like, please get me on the fives. I was talking to Ryan the whole time about the draft. I said, are we, we're getting Anna Lee, right?

Like number one, he's like, oh dude, we're gonna spend everything we can to make sure that she's our number one. It's just like, I was trying, I'm trying to explain a little bit to Jerry cause it's still so new and I'm learning a lot more about it. But to your point, like Gary's great, but Ryan is so, I just seen it firsthand last year and being on some of it and I'm trying to,

like my schedule is crazy. I'm trying to get to a couple of tournaments this year, but just seeing how invested they are. And they, like you said, they care. And Jerry, it's just like any other professional organization, when you have ownership who cares, spends the money, has great resource, whatever, it's just culture.

And that's- The clown culture is legit, dude. Like these people travel all over the country. Let's go fives is like a thing. It's like, honestly, it's wild. I just, I hope that people listen to this and just want, it makes them a fan and that they want to go see, not just the Fives, but all these other great players play.

There's a lot of really good teams and a lot of good players just to be in a little small part of the Fives. I'm coming when you go Matt. I'm telling you dude, it is so much fun. Get an extra pass from me if you can. Don't make me have to text Gary Vee. Well, I mean, we know somebody. Yeah, right, you don't know PPA, I got you. I don't want to bother her. We'll bother Ryan or Gary. I don't want to

bother her as she's getting ready to destroy people on the court. Where do you hope to see, and Jerry, if you want to ask, is just the future of pickleball? You know, in... Yeah, or even like five year view from now. You know, it's growing so fast, you know, and obviously, you know, things about the sport that you love and maybe things that you're hoping get better. Just in five years, where would you love to see pickleball? Yeah, don't quote me on this because I would have never guessed some of the things that have happened in pickleball now. But I just feel like a year or so ago, my main goal and our hope for the sport was that younger kids like the younger generation start to pick this up, especially because I was a kid when I started playing and I knew how much it meant to me and how much impact in my life. So I was really hoping that would start to happen. And I feel like that's already happening. Like at some events, we have 100 plus kids like playing these tournaments. So I feel like we're doing a good job on that. I definitely think growing it worldwide

is still something that needs to happen. Like in Asia, it's starting to explode. Australia, it's pretty big. But there's still a lot of countries that it's, you know, you get, there's like one pickleball core, you know, it's like, there still needs to be growth there. And like next year we're playing some international events, I think, so like we're starting to at least play some tournaments there to kind of help with that growth. And I think a lot of people behind the scenes are helping with that, but I'm hoping in the next five years, that's definitely something that happens.

I'm also hoping this isn't five years, this is a little further on, I'm hoping pickleball will become an Olympic sport. That's behind the scenes. Now we're talking. That's kind of a personal goal because I'd love to play for the play in the Olympics. So that would be so it will. It will for sure. Yeah, but that's not five years. That's a little further, I think, in my opinion. So yeah, that's what that's what I would say. I also feel like a lot of major sponsors are starting to get into pickleball. So I'm not going to say that's something we will see because we're already starting to see it.

But I definitely think that'll get bigger. Continue. Yeah. Yeah. Well, before we let you go, and you've been very gracious with your time. Thank you. A couple of quick hitting questions. For you, pregame ritual, pre-match ritual. Do you have any? Is something you always do? We usually play around like 11.

So I usually like wake up, eat breakfast. I really like to warm up before my matches, so I'll do like 30 minutes of just like exercises like on the floor, like bridges, leg lifts, like stuff like that. Waking things up, yeah. And then I like to hit for like 30 minutes before I match and then play. But I'm pretty like I pretty I had the same routine pretty much every morning. Like I eat the same breakfast and this one time, like I didn't eat that breakfast and I lost. That was my thing.

I was like pre-match meal or do you not want to reveal it? You don't have to reveal it to the public if you don't want to. But do you have a specific pre-match meal? It's two pieces of toast, two eggs with some egg whites, and fruit, like blueberries and strawberries. Okay, now the real question for me is the post-match meal, because I feel like after a match I'd be like, I'm eating whatever I want, let's go for it. Especially if you win.

So usually in like a day of a tournament, you'll play like three, four, five matches in one day. So it's really hard to like eat big meals. So like at the end of the day, you're so hungry. Yeah. I'm usually like, that's what I'm like to my trainers. And I'm like, just don't even ask. Yeah. Like just burns 14,000 calories. Like, yeah, I might've had some chocolate at the end too. So how about, how about a favorite song or? Or just like, what do you get into the zone with? It's funny. I love I Have the Tiger, but my mom and I were-

Hell yes. Yeah, it's a good one. My mom and I were playing a match and we lost the first game. This was in Nationals 2019. This would be our biggest win, but we lost the first game in the final. And they played Can't Stop the Feeling, you know that song? Yeah. And my mom was like played can't stop the feeling you know that song

yeah and my mom was like can't stop the feeling and like we got some energy we went out and ended up winning so that song kind of loosened me up so like sometimes i'll listen to that song too so tell your mom do you know george do you know who do you know the song bad to the bone yes so i know everyone makes fun i that was i had like a Tupac song, an Eminem song. I had an Enya song, which is like slow, like just vibe music. And then I had Bad to the Bone. Listen to Bad to the Bone, George Thorogood, your mom is probably laughing, but that might be one that gets you in the thing.

Just because it's like, it just reminds you how good you are. I'm bad to the bone. Matt's going to be in an MLP and everybody's going to be like, what song should we play? He good you are. I'm bad to the bone. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Matt's gonna be at an MLP and everybody's gonna be like, what song should we play? He's gonna be like, mad to the bone. Let's do it. Now I'm just imagining, you know,

she's gonna listen to it go on like a 40 match win streak. She's gonna have to listen to that song every single match because it's gonna be the good luck charm. Well. That's so good. Can't thank you enough. You just made a true fan right here. I'm coming to an event for sure. And good luck to you.

It's very, very impressive how you balance everything. And also you're just awesome on the court. Keep talking, keep being yourself, keep going out there dominating, and Matt and I will be there cheering for you. I might even make a sign. I'm gonna come see you in San Clemente in a couple weeks. Sounds good. Look forward to it. And let me know, Jerry, if you end up coming to an event.

No, no, I'm cut. The decision has been made. I am coming. I'm there. Maybe even Doug Allen will probably be joining me too. All right. It's time now for Strapped In presented by NHTSA. NHTSA reminds you to always wear your seatbelt, make home safely to the people you care about. Don't risk it, click it, or tick it. Matty Ice, I mean, following that interview with Annali Waters, I'm kind of fired up. I'm going to strap in and go play some pickleball. But for you, right now, what are you strapped in for?

Dude, I'm strapped in to play in Patty Mahomes Golf Tournament. Is this like a quarterback only thing? What's going on here? Patty Mahomes Golf Tournament? Patty Mahomes, I got the invite a couple months ago. Obviously pretty hyped on it. Vegas, playing in it. Shadow Creek, never played.

I know, I'm speaking your love language right now. playing in it, playing in it. Shadow Creek, never played. I know, I'm speaking your love language right now. Yeah, listen, dude, I, you know, we've talked about on the show a bunch. You've at least got my head spinning with the thought of playing more golf. That's for sure. It hasn't happened yet. That's for sure.

It hasn't happened yet. But I am playing in a Patty Mahomes Charity Golf Tournament. A lot of guys are gonna be out there. It's gonna be a blast. I'm a little nervous only because I got a pulled calf. I got a tight back. I got new hips. I've played golf probably twice since.

Right, you don't play a lot. I just don't play a lot, dude. And I just, I hate saying that, man, because I get asked so much now especially doing this doing this pod with you and like let's golf and I'm like let's golf and yeah, but I don't play and did I'm playing with a bunch of sticks, you know and all this stuff. So I'll fire it up though, dude. I'm fired up to see to see everybody obviously

support a great cause Patrick's a great dude, but I'm strapped in man. I'm locked in. I need advice though. I haven't played in a charity golf tournament in a long time. Okay. Here's some advice. I'm going to give you the... This is the plus and minus side. Shadow Creek is one of the nicest courses in America in my opinion. It's absolutely gorgeous. It's the most well maintained round. Which means it's really, really hard. It's like $1,500 a round if you actually,

as a civilian, try to play there. And you can't even drive to it. They have to pick you up at your hotel and drive you to the core. You can't pull up in an Uber or in your own car. Yeah, we're in shuttles. That being said, for me, and I played it at the Super Bowl two years ago,

the day after we started talking about this very podcast is one of the hardest courses I've ever played. It's so, so you're saying I should buy a bunch of balls. Here's, here's the biggest thing. I'm guessing it's going to be a scramble, right? All every charity event is usually a scramble, which is good. They might try to talk you into teeing off first, right? Because you don't really play a lot. The thought would be, take your, I don't want to say you're the worst guy,

because that's not fair. You just don't play a lot. But they'd want you to maybe try to get on base, right? Hit one out in the fairway. Let the big hitters just run it. I make it very clear to my group that I am not good. Here's what I want for, here's what I would suggest to you. Don't go first.

Go last. Well, because here's why. Now there will be some pressure if three guys in front of you hit bad shots. No, no, no, no. I like to go right in the middle. I like to go right in the middle. Well, what I'm getting at is if you see a great tee ball, don't even hit the tee shot. Don't hit the tee shot. Save yourself a little bit. Save your hips. Save your cap. Like, I'm, look, I'm not a long hair, right? Dude, I got 18 holes to play, bro. I'm just going all

in as long. Here's my thing is loud. We can go first if I were you. No, no chance. I'll go. There's probably gonna be five of us in the group. Typically. Look, this is this is a big time event. There's gonna be real. There's gonna be ringers. There's gonna be groups that like to have fun. There's gonna be groups that take it serious. There's gonna be pictures there. You're in trouble because the all pit major league baseball pitchers are great golfers.

I'm going to be, I can put together a handful of holes and scramble. You can kind of mask your deficiencies, right? Cause I can like, I can hit my irons pretty decent. I'm not a great driver. The putt you all just like, so it's a lot of fun, but yes, I'm more of the middle guy. And I make it very clear to the group that I'm like,

guys, I'm not good. You'll probably use four of my shots all day and I'll sink a couple putts maybe, like a 20 foot putt maybe will go in because it just will and we'll get fired up. I think you gotta be a good vibes guy. You gotta be a good vibes guy. Oh, I'm always a good,

I'm a good vibes guy on charity golf tournaments. And I always, my plan always going in is, I want these dudes to go back to my home's people and say, yes, I had a great time. I had a great time playing with liner. That's it. That's my goal. Is it, is it, um, is there like a pairings party where there's the charity contributors?

Okay. So whoever selects you or whatever the process is, odds are they're either going to be big fans of yours from SC or from the NFL, right? Like they're going to be one of them or multiple of them are going to be so psyched to me. So just be good vibes guy. Oh, a lot of handshakes, bring them into the huddle a little bit, you know? Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. Oh, that dude, that's, you're speaking my language, man. Like the other thing is like, you're not going to win because someone's probably going to post, in a scramble, someone's going to post some obscene number that's probably not real, minus 28. It's something you're like, how did he shoot minus 28? Yeah, I don't know the rules.

I don't know the Mulligans. I don't know, you know, and I'm sure there's a lot of really good golfers. Yeah, this is going to be a blast, but shout out to Patty Mahomes. 15 and Mahomes, I think is the name of the foundation. So really cool to be a part of it. Uh, fired up.

It's going to be fun, but yeah, I'm locked in, man, strapped in, locked in. Wish me luck. Hope I don't pull anything else. Well, uh, thank you. It's uh, appreciate that. And good luck to our boy, Maddie ice. Um, before we get to the next thing too, something funny did happen that we stumbled upon

via the amazing internet. Adam Ray, good friend of mine, stand up comic, Adam Ray, who if you don't know him, look him up on Instagram or whatever, also he has been on tour doing like the Dr. Phil impressions, he does the Dr. Phil show, he plays Biden alongside Shane Gillis and Kill Tony. He was on our guy Julian Edelman's pod and basically tells this story, and I sent it to you,

you must have seen it a thousand times. Basically, Adam went to USC and he's telling the story like yeah, I was going to this friend. Well Edelman, real quick, Edelman asked me, he's like hey, like, yeah, I was going to Edelman. Real quick, Edelman asked me, he's like, Hey, did you ever party or hang out with liner and what liner at USC? Because you guys are there at the same time. That's what happened. Yeah. And we're going to get Adam on because I want to dig a little deeper here. But he tells this awesome story that he's like rolling up to like a party and you were like waiting by steps or

something to go up to a frat. I was waiting to get up into a frat party into a frat party. And basically it was like the third string quarterback was like the frat member to know the story. So the story was a pledge, a pledge, a pledge wouldn't let me in. So I don't remember. I was listening to this. I'm like, where is Adam going with this story? You nervous that you're going to be like, I'm like, where's Adam going with this story? Were you nervous that you're gonna be like an unflattering story?

Because he's a comedian. I'm sure we hung out a few times. 20 years ago. Yeah, 20 years ago. And I'm thinking like, oh my god, dude, it's my wife. This is gonna go viral. My wife is gonna hear whatever he's about to talk about. Or like, Liner was a dick like screw him like F that guy Wasn't the case and I and and so like basically what happened was is I was Apparently which this makes sense because there were some frats that hated us and there were some frats that loved the football guys

They're like yeah, come on in they treat us great There's some are like now you're not allowed because they were like insecure and jealous or whatever I don't know if this was one of them it just it just so happens Yeah, come on in. They treat us great. There's some are like, no, you're not allowed, because they were insecure and jealous or whatever. I don't know if this was one of them. It just so happens. So he basically says, he just was waiting, not trying to big time, but waiting at the bottom of stairs. And I go, are you waiting for someone?

He's like, yeah, Brandon. I go, oh, I'll walk you up. And I go to the pudge. I go, do you know what this is? He goes, no. I go, it's the quarterback of our f----- school, man. And he was like, oh, he's a big fan, man. I go, it's too late, Gary.

He was just a god, dude. But he was chill. I was fairly recognizable on campus, so, but yeah, no, shout out. I'm sure there's a lot more stories with Adam, and shout out, you're doing his show this summer, right? I'm doing his show, and then we're getting Adam on ours. I'm gonna go see him, he's in LA next month,

I'm gonna go see him too, yeah. Shout out to Adam. So two last things off that. One, like you said, you must have in the beginning been like, again, you're a great dude, things off that one. Like you said, you must have in the beginning being like, not again, you're a great dude. So I don't really, you know, whatever story, I couldn't imagine it'd be like a bad story.

But like you said, you don't know what Adam's going to say, but also how funny would that story be modern day? You know, you would have been standing there in some little shit would have came up to you in a camper and look at this, I'm going to this party and Matt liner can't even get it. Like that would have been all over TikTok that Mattiner can't even get in. Oh, for sure. That would have been all over TikTok

that Matt Liner can't get into a frat party. I was probably. Just the wait to get into a frat party. I was for sure wearing Chuck Taylor's blue jeans and a white tee for sure too, and a backwards hat. Like, that was all I wore. Yeah, dude, back then, god, that would have gone viral. That would have been an internet story for the day.

Liner can't get into a frat party at his own school. Shout out to Adam Ray and shout out to Jungle Juice, Adam Ray and frat parties. You were in a frat. It's called the football team. It's called the national champion Trojans. You were a part of a certain kind of fraternity. We lived, we, you know what I was thinking? We got to get a couple of my old teammates on this, Paul.

I would love that. Who would you pick right now, like top three? Oh, Lendell White, Lendell White. And we, and honestly, we would just let him go. And there would be some, there would be some- Is he in LA these days or no? No, but he's in LA a lot. We would just, you would just let him go.

Let him cook. And I would, in my mind, I would, in my mind, I would cringe to hear what he says next. Okay. Our producer, Andrew, if you're listening, let's drop a line out to Mr. Len Dale White. We got to get Len Dale in person. In person for sure. We'll get a couple guys.

I know a couple guys that would just be great stories. Do we ever get coach on? But Pete Carroll? No. Well, he's coaching now again. Pete doesn't do pods, I asked him. But for you, even for you? Yeah, he said no.

Those pod rules are made to be broken. Pete, you want to go on our pod? Not really. No, he sent me a longer text about it. Pete, Michael Jordan is going to be a special contributor on NBC. You're not going to come on throwbacks? Belichick has a foul. Maybe that's. Come on. Belichick has a pullout. Maybe that's,

maybe we get Belichick on the pod and talk about what's going on in his life. Matt, before we get to the next thing, seriously, I, I don't get it why everyone's in such a, like I don't care one percent about that story. He's the greatest coach of all time and his girl's 24 and there's just a lot of shit going down. I don't, I, none of it seems interesting to me. None of it. Like, well, I don't, like maybe if you want to be like, Hey, let's go check on coach to make sure he's all right. He seems like he's all right. He seems like he's happy. Like, why is that? Oh, he's not

going to coach a game at North Carolina. I highly doubt North Carolina is going to say, you know what, coach, before we even start, this isn't working. All the reports are like, Oh, he's not going to coach at all. He's going to be run out. Like, come on, bro. That ain't happening. Until he goes like 8-0. Unless she is just absolutely evil.

And maybe that's, I don't know. By the way, that's why this is exciting. There's a lot of what is. I don't care. I don't care 1% about the commercial thing that she wrote. I don't care. OK, it's now% about the commercial thing that she wrote. I don't care. Okay. It's now time for all time adventures driven by Nissan. Take adventures to new heights and the all new 2025 Nissan Armada. Go to NissanUSA.com slash Armada to learn more.

Each week we discuss an adventure, whether it's on the field, on the set, off the set, whatever. Look, there's a little anniversary right now. I don't think it's on the field, on the set, off the set, whatever. Look, there's a little anniversary right now. I don't think it's trending by any stretch. There was a movie called Battleship. I don't know if many of you know Battleship. Give yourself more credit. Great fucking movie, by the way. Well, it was released in May, May 18th, 2012.

Yeah, Taylor Kitsch, Rihanna, good cast. I shared the ice with Taylor Kitsch the other day not on the hockey thing. Taylor Kitsch we know yeah yeah all right go ahead go ahead no no so look movie came out 23 years ago the reason why I bring that up three years ago no 13 years ago I was gonna say 23 years yeah felt like 23 years ago the reason why I bring it up is, there's the story behind there. Pete Berg directed Battleship. Pete Berg's one of my favorite directors.

Yeah, he's great. Great dude. Become a friend, big time Giants fan too. Obviously Friday Night Lights connection. Like dude loves football, loves everything. We're shooting, now I don't think Pete wanted me necessarily in the movie, right? Not that he did. I just, I think he was thinking of so many other things.

It was like a small part at the time. He combined a lot of small parts and made it into one character and like, let's have Jerry do that then if he really wants to do that. And then we got to know each other on that set, right? We shot that in Baton Rouge. Now, I made the mistake of waking up one Saturday morning, going out to get my morning coffee, because I was there for three weeks to work like four days. I walked right into an LSU parade,

because there was a game that afternoon, and there was hundreds of thousands of people. Do they shut the city down for the games? It was insane. And I guess if I knew it was coming and I was prepared for that, it never even entered my mind when I walked out of my hotel room, and I walked out to that. But here's the real adventure with

that. Okay. Pete cast me in Battleship. I have all the lines straight from the board game, which are like, uh, Oh, come in left, miss, go in right hit. Like those were, that was my actual dialogue. I want to pull up your lines. So I get to know Pete. And then shortly after battleship, Pete was prepping to do this movie, Lone Survivor, which for me is maybe my favorite Pete Berg movie. And obviously, there's a lot of great parts in that movie. I really wanted the chance to play the Emil Hirsch

part that he ended up getting. And Pete was like, I love Jerry, but no, I'm going with Emil Hirsch. and then there was another part and he's like no basically being honest a bunch of no's I even just made a tape for myself I just put myself on tape as one of the characters that he wasn't even interested in me for and I submitted a tape and he's like no I'm going with this other guy great all right we'll still be friends so he comes back he's like you know what there's this there's this small part if he wants to be in the movie will put him in the movie and it was like

Two lines, so then I turn it back on him. I'm like, you know what Pete? No, I don't want to do it I want to do two lines. He's like, okay, you're an idiot, but okay, this movie's gonna be good he basically similar to battleship took a bunch of Smaller parts and combined them into one and came back and said if you say no to this You're truly one of the biggest morons I've ever met and I read it and I basically had that one I look at it all like moments. I have the moment I'm not gonna spoil the movie for anyone. They call they called right then you run and get the phone. What moment did you have? There's a very again spoil if you want to see Lone Survivor, you don't want to be spoiled

Maybe fast forward quickly. The movie's been out for a while, but when Mike Murphy basically takes the sat phone to the one spot it works to call for backup, I'm the Marine who answers the phone, but then it becomes a whole thing where I'm trying to scramble reinforcements, but it breaks the protocol,

so the reinforcements never went there. And those guys ended up dying all except for the lone survivor, which was played by Walbert. So yeah, for me, that adventure is, you know, you never know where one thing will take you. Two scenes in Battleship saying hit, miss, a hundred percent led me to Lone Survivor. Which-

Do you think that had anything, I don't know the years and like chronologically, did that have anything to do with Entourage? Was Entourage, oh, Entourage was before this. This Entourage basically was wrapping up, Pete was on Entourage playing himself in the cameo. Actually, my question is, did you think Wahlberg had any help with Pete? You already knew Pete,

but like for a small part because you were tight with Wahlberg during Entourage obviously because that was his like part of the show. If memory serves me correct, when it was initially Battleship my manager Lev was talking with Pete trying to like say like you should really put Jerry in the movie. I think Pete at that time, if I remember was like, it's almost like it's such a small like two, three scene part, but then they're going to see like turtle pop on the screen. He's like that might mess everybody up. So but to Pete's credit, he's like, I like the kid. He met with me for a small part, which he probably would never really do for anybody

else and was and did it. And then for the lone survivor thing, no, I think I proved myself a little bit to him with Battleship at that point. I don't think it hurt with the Mark stuff, but no. Left, hit, right, miss. 100, dude, that was my dialogue. And the last thing on that, I was doing Lone Survivor the same time I was doing this other movie

called Las Vegas, right? Which was Senior Citizen Hangover with Robert De Niro, Morgan Freeman. It's this like lighthearted comedy. I was doing both movies at the same time. So I would fly into Vegas to shoot and it's all about the joke and being fun and energy. Then I fly from Vegas to New Mexico where they're shooting Lone Survivor and everyone's got long beards and they've been up on a mountain and they're not having any fun. There's no laughter.

Yeah. I mean, true story. So I come in with all this energy and I'm like, shit, I need to tone down everything about what I'm doing. So I'd be there for three or four days. I'd fly back to Vegas, very low energy, intense. And the director's like, you need to wake the fuck up. Like, where's your energy? So interesting times.

So that is my all time adventure. Shout outs to Nissan. Again, go to Nissan USA dot com slash Armada to learn more. I'm out of breath. That was a long as his boy Emmett used to go to my football camps. Emmett. Yeah. Emmett.

When I when I really got to know Pete, I would go to his house to watch Giant Games. And then at halftime, we'd go out to the backyard. And I'd run routes. And Emmett was young. I mean, he must have been like 12. And he had a cannon at 12. He was throwing hard. He's got to be mid-20s.

Yeah, I think he just directed a movie or a short. By the way, we got to get Pete on too. Pete's a man, dude. Pete's got to come on. And his stuff, I really would love to know what his thoughts are on the 2025, 26 Giants going into the season. He goes to camp every year and watch it.

He's the one who told me, he's like, I just met neighbors. He's a monster. We're going to love this guy. Like I believe Pete, man. Should we do a little mail bag and wrap up and get you off to Vegas? Let's do it. That's good, man.

Let's keep it in LA. We have Dennis from LA says, I got a youth sports question for you guys. Love it. Is there a certain age where I'm okay to start telling people that my kid is legitimately good at baseball? He's currently five and I think he's awesome, but is that too young to really know anything? Are people gonna roll their eyes when I tell them my five-year-

old is a stud? Let me know what you think. First of all, of course you should like, yes, you should think your kid's awesome. That's cool. Well, I mean, if he is, but most five-year-olds are fucking terrible. So if your kid's really good, I don't think you need to say it, because you can tell.

My son right now is five, and he plays the five and six-year-olds, and there's two or three kids on the team that are like really good. Their dads are like, you don't even have to, it goes without saying. My five-year-old is going to be good, I think, but I don't say he's good.

I say he's a little awkward, but he's got a lot to work on. But I think he's learning. He's learning. But yeah, I mean, I think the whole parent, five-year-old, six-year-old, like our kids are the greatest thing. Like it's just like, dude, your kid's going to peak at 12, man. Like your kid, like the kids are going to peak at 12.

And I've seen that. I saw, I've seen that with a lot of Cole's friends where we thought- Yeah, you must have seen every version of it. I've seen every version. I've seen the great, I've seen the great athletes who are like unbelievable at seven, eight, nine. They're like, holy shit, like that kid might have a chance. And then they become good players, but they never become like, they're not professionals. Baseball is also very tough. What about the late bloomer?

Have you seen a lot of late bloomers or not really? Cole's a late bloomer. Really? Cole's a football late bloomer. Like he's, for him, and I could speak on my son because I want, like he was a great athlete. What wasn't great in baseball, but a great athlete. And I knew that probably wasn't a sport,

but I encouraged all of them. It made him better, made him a better athlete. And he didn't play tackle till freshman year in high school, so three years ago. He's only been playing tackle a couple of years, but I always knew. I did not know that. Yeah, at some point you gotta be like,

talk about strapping in, you gotta strap in, this your sport now, you gotta lock in and grind and grind and grind. But it was all the sports he play. And I just, I knew one, he obviously had a pedigree and DNA from both sides, but like, I just knew, like he wasn't gonna peak. I knew because he was just playing and everything.

He didn't have the specialized training and all this shit that was daily. We just let him be a kid and be an athlete and encourage and, you know, work to every sport he was playing, which made him better in my opinion. But God, I've seen, God, I used to train quarterbacks, Jerry, like five, six, seven, eight years old. That young, oh my God.

Oh my goodness, yes. And I'd be like, and they would pay me a lot of money. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, what are, like they're six. Go let them run around on the beach. Go like, go do some skills training. Like you don't need to like, like it's just, it's wild. You'll see it.

Well, your kids will get into it. My initial reaction to that is like, yeah, look, first of all, you should, it's great to think your kid's awesome. You should. I view that, and I'm guilty of the same thing. I view that like posting every little thing your kid does awesome, you should. I view that, and I'm guilty of the same thing, I view that like posting every little thing your kid does on social media,

which I sometimes do and stop myself. It's because I think my kid's great. Now most people will watch that and be like, that's cute, that's great. But like, it's almost like keep it in house, you know? Like, Bri and I should think our kids are great and we should aspire to raise them right and keep a good head on their shoulders.

I don't know if necessarily I need to be walking up to the dads on the soccer field, being like, you know what my kid did the other day. It's one thing if it's like your boy and you're just talking about your kids. Dude, I can't stand those parents that are like. It's one thing if we're just having a conversation about our kids as dads, as parents.

That's like, whatever. Anything. I want to hear about that stuff. It's another thing when it's like the unsolicited like, oh, okay, so we're doing this. We're having the kid conversation now. Dude, I say, I mean, and I, look, I, I never, Cole's 18. He's, you know, obviously he's still got a lot of work to do, but he was probably the best athlete

in Manhattan Beach at his age. Like probably just growing up, like in all the sports, combined all the sports. He wasn't the best baseball player, but he was for sure the best basketball player. He was a great football player, and he's also a very good baseball player. I didn't have to say anything.

People just knew. And I never would because I'm like, he hasn't done shit, he's nine. Yeah, he's really good. We'll see what'll see we'll see what happens who knows see what happens but and I know he's good but like I never I just I don't understand those parents they're just insecure you know it's like because it's like maybe they didn't you know they're the Johnny All-American high school football and like they didn't pan out but now their kid is a pretty good little league player. But I'm like, dude, the chances of that, by the way, I tell parents, I tell parents all the time, dude, kids have like less than 1% chance to make it professional in any sport, it doesn't matter, less than 1%.

So keep it fun. I say, keep it fun. And I always say, I say this, I had this conversation with my brother and this is my advice to all parents who have pretty good at like, what is your goal for your kid is what I always say. And I asked my brother, I said, what's your goal for Hudson, my nephew, he's a fantastic baseball player. But like, I don't know, is he going to go like, no, I want him to be

a really, really, I want him to be a really good high school baseball player, I want him to start on his high school team. That's like the first goal. Okay, great. Let's strive to do that. What do you need to do in your mind in order to is it travel ball? Is it this? Is it specialized in this? I tell parents that all the time as they get a little bit older, like what's your goal for your kids? Someone like, I just want to have fun. I want to learn to learn besides the sport. Have fun, compete, right? Maybe do some extra stuff, but don't make it an everyday thing. Because then you're going to burn him out and he's going to hate it anyway.

But then you have parents who are like, oh, he's good. I'm like, all right, dude. Like, you're going to like, I've just seen it, man. I've seen some of these kids that were so good. And they just, and also they just peak early. Like, a lot of kids peak early, man. Like, they just become pretty good players, but not good enough. So I'm going to talk about my kid.

It's just like the way I said I don't like it. But your kid's going to be a GM, which is going to be even better. If I was writing my version of this mailbag question would be, what do you do when your six-year-old loves basketball and loves to play basketball, wants to play basketball all the time every day. And it's just not there. Right? Like, it's just like, it's just not there. It's just not there. Yet. Yet. Your kids are really smart and they got personalities. He will, he will know

when he's gonna be like, daddy, I mean, he might not be, maybe he gets better. Or if he's, if he's not good, if you think he's like, Hey, like, I just don't know if he's going to be like, daddy, and he might not be, maybe he gets better. Or if he's not good, if you think he's like, hey, I just don't know if he's going to ever be good enough, and if you get him in basketball, he will let you know at that point that maybe it's time to stop playing. I've seen a lot of parents and kids do that where their kids just don't care anymore.

And that could be eight years old, it could be seven, it could be 10. So you get him in there, you let him have fun, you do the rec leagues, whatever you think he can handle, and if he loves it, you let him keep playing. And at some point, he's just gonna stop because it's just like, it's not gonna interest him anymore because other things will interest him.

You know what I mean? So. Right, we'll see. I guess I'm also like, in my mind, I'm like doing the thing where he's gonna want to play, and how do I handle, oh, you didn't really get much playing time. How do you handle that?

You're so mean. Like how do I know? Not even me. How do I talk to him about that? Because sometimes kids don't quite under like, I'm not going to be the parent that goes up to the coach and is like, play my kid. I'm not going to do that. Uh, I, I, I'm wondering how I'm going to handle that when he, when my kid is like, I don't

understand why don't I get a turn to play. Does he have any athletic ability? A little bit. The hand eyes there, but the, no, yeah, not really. Not really. But he's six. I mean, he's six years old. I don't have any expectations.

I would say you could see it. My point is, is if, if he He's got the heart of a champion. To answer that question, Jerry, and if he starts playing, then you just provide him with extra work. It's like, hey, do you want to, do you want to work with the shooting coach? Hey, do you want to do these? Like you just let him do it.

And then you, you're either going to see, you're either going to see and prove me like, oh, he might be okay. Like he might be able to hold his own. Like, like whatever. And we're might be able to hold his own. Like, whatever. And we're talking like, NJB, bro. We're not talking like, club travel basketball. So like, you don't.

I just want to tell them like, do you know how many thousands of hours I put in to be a mediocre rec league player? Thousands of hours, thousands of shots, just to be like a guy that doesn't get picked last that pickup, which now I am at 45, but at 15 I wasn't. You'd pick me in the middle of the pack. That took thousands of hours to roll up to the schoolyard and be like, all right, we'll take Jerry with the third pick. That was thousands of hours. Yeah.

And you guys are talking about like, I want to brag. Tell you what, man. That's a lonely feeling, being picked last on the playground. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's where my mind's at. I got to be honest.

I never was picked last, but I remember those. I was like, god damn, you don't want to be picked last. Yeah, you were definitely always picked first or second, or they made you captain. You were like, all right you and I make Matt captain Then you have to definitely I was definitely I was definitely a top two pick and handball and baseball all that shit. All right Well, let's get you to see we'll see how the four boys grow man. Well, hey, we'll be good You're off to Vegas and I wish you luck

I want to give me some updates post some stuff on social trying to get a little facetime with Patty Mahomes Who I think is a secret Knicks fan. I think he likes the Knicks deep down. Yeah. I already got my, uh, Cole already said, dad, can you FaceTime me with Mahomes? I said, I'll do my best, bro. He, I mean, he's playing, you know, he's playing college ball in Texas. I think he played at Texas tech, you know, I've met him one time and he was an awesome dude and it was at a next game, believe it or not. And such a to earth and to the point where like I like just DM him or comment DM him like something off a post and like he writes back he always writes back like we don't he's a good dude he's a good dude yeah all right thanks everybody don't forget

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