TigerBelly - Matt Jones & The Hollywood Truth

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

Actor Matt Jones (Breaking Bad) has a reunion with Bobby on TigerBelly. We chat rich kids, golf hatred, cornering celebrities, a changing entertainment industry, Michael Bay’s museum, bombing auditions, fancy watches, and why Bobby thinks podcasts became Hollywood’s backup plan.Join the membership for where you live at joinbilt.com/BELLY. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. For simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, Weight Loss, and more, visit www.hims.com/belly Right now, Bathmate is giving our listeners up to 20% off when you use code BELLY at BATHMATEDIRECT.COM/BELLY.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Follow, subscribe, watch. Share. along. Have fun. You're writing some notes? No. Okay. It's just like a kind of a... Do you know who Matt Jones is?

Yes, of course. Dude, come on. You can't look at my notes. I can't read them. I honestly can't read them. Don't ever yell up my guest again. You're horrible. I'm not yet.

I wasn't. I can't read that. They say that's a sign of genius. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like Luke is a young Matt Jones. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was never that fuckable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Young, same kind of haircut. Oh, yeah, okay. All right. I mean, is that what the whites are doing lately? I don't even know.

Is that a trend? What's the meeting life? Yeah, what is the meeting of that haircut, guys? I don't go to church anymore, do you? No, I never, I'm Jewish. I never went to church. You're Jewish? I'm sorry, Temple.

My back. Also a church. It is a church. There's four main religions. Are there not? Is that like a loaded question? Is that a loaded question? Are there not?

There are four main religions. I would say three. I would say zero. Yeah. I would say Christianity. Muslim. Hinduism is really big. Yeah, Hinduism and Israel.

Israelite. Just the country. Yeah. I mean, Judaism. Yeah, yeah. Judaism. Yeah. Yeah.

Are there the four? Would Scientology be in there? No. They're pretty big, though. They're pretty big. Yeah. What do you mean? You guess.

I don't give shit. You don't give a shit. You're in a kick right now. You don't give a shit about anything. I really don't. Yeah, yeah. Nice. So the reason why I got mad here, I mean, you've been on the list forever,

but I was like, I was watching, I don't know why, but you kept popping up on my TikTok feed. Okay. Oh, I'm on TikTok? Yeah, you're on TikTok. I don't have TikTok. Yeah, I don't either, but I still, you know. You don't? I mean, I've never posted anything.

I just, I like watching it. Right. So I created a profile so I can just watch it. It's kind of having it. I'm bad enough with Instagram, so I don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah. Well, you did an interview. A couple of interviews. Yeah, I've done a couple. and I've just been a little honest about how much the business sucks. Yeah. And yeah. And I've had, what's weird is people, some people don't post publicly,

but I've had some like, I don't know, Oscar winners reach out and be like, holy shit, I feel the same way. And I was like, well, then say that publicly. Yeah. But no. They don't. No, because I, everybody's afraid they're talking themselves out of a job. Yeah.

But I'm not getting jobs anyway, so. That's what I felt Why do you think I'm in this garage? You know what I mean? It really is a garage. I know it's a garage. I'm in my garage because I couldn't get the work.

You know what I mean? So I'm like, I'll just do this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it's like I try to transition out of waiting in line. But this is better.

I don't know if it's better. I don't know if it's worse. But it's like, it's something that like I went a different direction, but I understand, you know, is that you? So he wasn't as fuckable. Yeah, you weren't as fuckable as a look back then. Wow. What happened there?

A lack of parenting. Yeah. Just no one was really paying attention to what I was eating or doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boy. You're swimming in bog water? In butter. You were swimming in butter.

Butter. Okay. Oh. Yeah. Absolutely unfuckable. Great. Oh my God. That's unbuckable?

I think you got some girls. That's 1999. It's like a fat Michael Shannon. Yeah. Okay. That is kinder than I would be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always thought I looked like a lesbian until I was 20.

Yeah. Like that is a stand-up comic. Yeah, that's a stand-up comic movie. Yeah. Like Barbara. Sander. Yeah. Signing up a kill Tony.

Yeah. Yeah. Travel. People travel to go do that show. It's wild. It's wild. Yeah. From all over the country, they travel to go to that show.

I can't watch it. I can't watch it. I can't watch it. I know. I know it's hard. I know it's really popular. Yeah. And it's...

I can't do it. I've done it. I can't do it. He sneaks out. I sneak out. I sneak out. I appreciate the people love it, but it just makes me so uncomfortable. I don't like it.

Yeah, yeah. I've, uh, guested on that panel before with Burt and some other people and I usually leave halfway during it and I'll go I go to the bathroom and I'll like wait 45 minutes and then come back

I cannot do it and I will never do it again Yeah Because you just don't like being mean to people or something or? It's just I just don't know what to say It's like you know people are developing And it's like yeah The person that we're watching now

Isn't the person that we're going to be watching 10 years from now So it's like Ripping on somebody that early is tough for me. I'm not a roaster in general. I mean, I called you a fat Michael Shannon. Pretty good.

Pretty good roast. I mean, personally, I just, the whole show is about like who's going to be the next stand-up comic. And I don't think anybody should be. I want to say no to everybody. Yeah, yeah. Because you're an improv. I think it's done.

We don't need any more stand-ups. Yeah. Is it because you're such a diehard improv guy? No, I'm not a diemer. Improv is stupid way. I love it because I hang out with my friends. I'll do it every now and that, but it is an legitimately stupid waste of time.

Oh, you did comedy sports. I did in high school. Yeah, yeah. What's comedy sports? It was a thing that was popular in the 90s. You wear a jersey? Yeah. No, really?

You wore a jersey. They did. A single? it? Yeah, and you'd like compete against the other team for audience claps, but it was all, like, rigged, and it was like wrestling in its own. And it was stupid. What was your team called?

It was just whatever, like, the red team or the blue team. There was a new team every day. And I was on a high school team, so we were Claremont, high school, comedy sports. Wait, Claremont. Is that in San Diego? No, this is without the eye. This is next to Pimona. Oh, Pimona. Okay. So you're

do you guys usually win, or? whatever the home team was one that was the rule and you never did Second City or anything like that or groundlings I did boom Chicago and Amsterdam oh you did boom I did boom Chicago and Amsterdam tons of UCB stuff

improblessed you do it with Ike and all those guys they were a little before me but I did a bit with Jordan and Colton Dunn yeah I mean tons of people and Jordan Peel yeah he just said that

sorry I didn't drop for peel that's what I'm clarifying You think was Michael Jordan? I don't know. Chicago. Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Not playing basketball. Matt Jones, Michael Jordan. Larry Byrd. He's not playing basketball. Hussein bowl. Hussein bowl. Michael Phelbs in. I imagine that improv group.

Oh, my God. Terrible. I just wanted to clarify. But also every improv group is terrible. Yeah, I mean, you know what the worst torture is watching? long form in Bronx. So, yes, I would say yes, 99.999% of the time.

Yeah. And then there's these certain people that can do it so well. Kagan can do it. That it fools everyone out. Yeah, I can do it. You know Tammy Sager? Oh, yeah. Like Tammy, I would see her and like Craig Kakowsky and like Stephanie Weir and Bob Dassey and like those people.

Yeah. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. But then everyone else, don't do it. That's the crib of the crop. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I have a guy, Dave Hill, we've been doing a two men together for like 15 years. We are very good at it. Wait, wait, wait. You have an improv group. Yeah, it's just a...

I thought you said it's shit. Yeah, that's why we don't... You just said it was shit. Yeah, that's why we... You're currently in an improv group? Yes. Yes. That's how he knows.

No, our show's not shit. Everything... How do you know? No, it is sometimes shit. I'm gonna watch it. I'll tell you if it's shit or not. When's your next live show? We don't...

We do them like randomly, like, maybe like, three or four times a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to go to the next one. Okay. Yeah. And I will tell you if it's... But the next one is in Minneapolis.

It is? It's long form. Yeah, we do... We did one suggestion. We do like a full show that everything connects. It's almost like a play. Yeah. But it's very good.

Yeah. Do you... So do you do improv luke? I took two classes. Where are? I took UCB 101. Okay. No big deal.

Educated. And then I did one day class at the groundlings. Okay, cool. And I thought, eh, this isn't really for me. It isn't. Yeah.

Yeah. He's a stand-up. Don't judge. True. No, real comedy. Real shit. Kill Tony's shit. I,

I honestly, I'm a huge stand-up fan. Been a stand-up fan my whole life. Yeah. And I just, I've never done it because I like stand-up. Yeah.

And I just know that, like, I could do it. I could legitimately do it. But I don't think I would be great at it. And I think it's, been too long now for me to get get 20 throw away my nights and weekends for the no you get 20 minutes and then you open for me yeah anytime no but you got 20 right at my ass I do absolutely you have 20 minutes of stand up I can do I could do a solid 10 right now wow wow holy I could you could yeah I want 20 25

okay all right get that and then it'll be you'll be opening for me okay great yeah and I'll pay you good yeah yeah I'll pay you good so um But, you know, I look at, I've, I just recently, as in 20 minutes ago, look at Twitter. Yeah, that's how I prepare. I go, yeah, Matt's coming. I'll do some preparation. And I looked at your IMDV and I scrolled through it.

And a mass amount of work. Yeah. You know what I mean? You were in Badger, Breaking Badge. Sure. And then you were also in that supernatural anti-superman movie? Yeah, yeah. What's it called?

Brightburn. Yeah, James Gunn produced David Yorovsky directed. Yeah, and so you know James. I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't put you in a thing? I guess I don't know now.

I mean... Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like to laugh. I mean, I'll tell you this. I'll throw this out there. I don't even care. I, the other day, I do... I don't care. I auditioned for something.

A big one. Yeah. Yeah. That he's involved with, and for the first time in my entire crew, I've never done this ever, ever, ever. Yeah. Ever.

I messaged him and I was like, hey, just let you know I audition for this just so you can make sure you see the tape. Yeah. Basically. That's not a bad thing. I've never done that. But I've never done that because I have this like shitty integrity

and like I don't want to be pathetic. And I've never asked for a job or dropped a name ever. Yeah. And I did it the other day and I swear to God, I couldn't sleep that night. Oh, wow. Because I was like, how did I do that? No, no, no, that's what you're supposed to do, Matt?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know what I did the other day? This is the first I've ever done, all right? I wasn't moving as many tickets in Chicago, although I sold it out, but because I had to pull in the big guns. And it was hard to ask. I went to Joe Koi, Gabriel Oglacius, Tom Seguera, and Burke Reischer, and I go, can you post a story? for my show and then it sold out. There you go. But it was very difficult to do.

I had never done that before because I could usually sell out on my own. But it was like it was because of the economy and because people aren't selling right now. You know what I mean? I had to do it. But in this day and age, I think making that text is the right thing to do. See, but the difference between you doing stand-up? Oh, here we go. There's a difference.

I'm telling you, you're doing stand-up and me doing some fucking movie. TV show. Yeah, I still do it too. I'm going to have out of the business, man. I mean, Nimrod's coming out. I was in Happy Gilmore 2. I'm not out. He's like, I saw your RMDB man. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I was saying. It's in the theater reservation. I did stuff.

Saying the difference, like you, you're doing it yourself, right? You're booking this place. Booking one by my house? No, no. A, uh, uh, a theater in Chicago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yes. A to B. It's you to there. Yeah. The audience. Yeah. I have to crawl through like mountains and oceans of dog shit to get to a job and then back through because there's all these people in the middle that are taking all the money for everybody.

I know. For everybody. Not just for me, for the people that are directing it for everybody. Yeah. So there's advertisers and all the shit. You're just going to a place and selling to stupid people that'll pay you to think you're funny. but like that's a direct con whereas like the long whereas the long con is like I have no control over my fate

that's terrible yeah I don't want to do that well take control exactly yeah that's what I told you the other day I texted you I go you got to take control so you said I you text me I should start a podcast about how shitty the business yes and I just don't want to hear some I don't want to hear a bunch of fucking actors complain about it anymore. I don't, I wouldn't listen to that. I would.

You would? I would too. Yeah, I would too. The reason what I would listen to it is because I feel the same shift. I feel the same resentment. I feel the same anger about it. So it's like, yeah, I would definitely listen to that.

I think it's just still, it's just me mad at rich kids, right? Yeah, I know. From when I was a kid, I hate rich kids and I still hate rich kids. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And it's all run by rich kids.

Yeah. Like all the executives are rich kids. Bro. You know? Bro. There's this thing, bro, I want to tell you something. There's this thing called the Golden Gala. Oh, yeah.

Okay? It's an, it's the up of the Asians. Yeah. And every year they get together. Yeah. Right. And they invite me, right? But I can't have a plus one.

Everyone else is a plus one, right? And the one time I went, right? I was in the back. right and all the Stephen youons and the Michelle Yows and the John Joe because you're a bad Asian because they think you're to show up with like a prostitute they're afraid you're going to do that I know but

if you were married to a nice young girl no but I have a nice girlfriend right now yep you're not married I know I know I'm not married and I'll never get married and you'll never get a plus one I know no no I want to know what I'm paying my point is is that I know I'm going to be in the back Right. I know they're going to side eye me

Like, you know what I mean? Oh my god, there's their dirty one. You know what I mean? They consider me the dirty one. You know what I mean? And it's like, I mean, I could argue that I have a bigger fan base. Absolutely. You mean, then most of them, I get, I. I. We're talking about built right now. Build, build. Billed.

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Yeah. Bobby's got me spicy already. I got them all spicy. No, but I'm going to be white trash for the rest of my life. I just will be to them in my head, right? Yeah. I'm not going to be a rich kid. Yeah.

Even my kids, I'm like, and we had money for a bit. We don't need more. Like, you know, my kids, they're not going to be rich kids. You know what I mean? Yeah. We're not that way. Yeah. God, though.

Yeah. Thank God. Why, thank God. I just feel as though like every great. I mean, the way you're talking. Sorry, I know the little grip into palisades. Fucking palisades. I'm an executive.

Can I tell you? Yeah, you're never going to work again. So. I won't. I'm talking shit about Jews in the Palestinians. I'll tell you, this is how crazy. I grew up 45 minutes east here, right? Yeah, yeah.

And I came into town. I was doing commercials and whatever. I was like 18 and on. And I had this friend that grew up in the Palisades. And we had like a sketch group when I was like 1920. Another sketch group. Yep. Shit on.

And we practice. We practice in his parents' garage in the Palisades. How do you practice? It was not in the problem. All sketches, okay. And this is how ridiculous the Palisades is. I was driving down the road in my shitty, like, 1988 Nissan Central at the time. And I had the windows rolled down, and I had just put in like a CD player, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. Like, this is like where you had to take off the face. And I'm driving down the road, and I'm playing come sailor. the way and I'm like rocking out like move it and then a girl rides up to me on like a ninja motorcycle like nods at me and rides off like oh nice and I come up to another stoplight

and I go in and Arnold Schwarzenegger pulls up next to me in a convertible black Ferrari and a t-shirt, a black t-shirt dressed like the fucking terminate and looks at me and goes like that gives me a thumbs up and drives on wow fuck the palisade

that's good that's good You perceived it wrong. You perceived it wrong. Yes, I'm a negative person. I know, I know. He would never give me a thumbs up. He would go, fuck you. Bon, I'm Asian.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a bottom Asian, dude. Yeah. That's probably true. That's probably true. I think it is. I think I really believe I'm a bottom Asian. We all are, I think.

Yeah. In this room, all the Asians in this room are bottom Asians. Yeah, and I'm thankful for that too. I also love rich people too, right? You do? You do all of a sudden? No, no. I'm out of nowhere you do.

I deeply resent them. Yeah, yeah. But like, have you ever been like a really incredible rich person party? Yes. It's so cool. I love how like. I went to Thanksgiving at Michael Beazhaus.

Oh, yeah. I went to like Hollywood party years ago. Yeah. I can't say who was. Why? Well, because it's, I don't know who. was. You just showed up to

I see. No, no, no, I was invited to this party. You don't know who it is. No, I was invited to this party. It was the agency I was with at the time. It was like the owner of the agency. Can you tell me the agency?

Paradigm. And it was like the owner of the agency is like, has like so much money. But it was their brother, I think. Yeah. And it was in like in a part of the Hollywood Hills I didn't know existed.

It's like down in a back canyon kind of thing. Michael Bay, Michael Bay. Where the hell am. am I. Yeah. And like their backyard had like two pools and in the middle of the pools was like a green grass area that was like the size of a football field. Yeah. This is their backyard. Yeah. And then they had like, um, uh, uh, what's the famous no boo there. Like, and like every alcohol you can think of. I just, whatever you want. And so I was like, oh, just top shelf everything. Yeah. Open bar. Yeah. So I just was drinking like 30 year old scotch like crazy. And then I was like, I have to go to the bathroom. And they were like, oh, this guy will lead you down to the bathroom. And there's tons of people. Are there?

Yeah. A lot. Yeah. I remember God rest of soul, I was wasted. I cornered James Vanderbeek and I talked to him for like a half an hour. And I walked back and my wife was like, what were you guys talking about? I was like, I don't remember. Yeah.

Nice guy. Really nice. And rest of peace. And he, anyhow, I had to go to the bathroom and we like, they like led me down these stairs. And I went under this massive house and there was a movie theater with like four pool table, like a pool hall connected to a movie theater connected to like a concession area that was completely full. And it was just and then there's a small bowling alley thing. And then I opened a door because I started snooping and I saw 22 washers and dryers.

Yeah. 22? 22, I counted. It's a sweatshop. And I was like, how do you? Yeah, other businesses going to. Do you run 22 at one time? Yeah.

Like that blew my mind over everything. Yeah, yeah. Is it coin operated? That's not really funny. Yeah, yeah, that's really funny. Very funny. Like a little token machine? No, it was just a serious question.

Were they running a business? Yeah. 22 is crazy. 22 is wild. I just couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah. And, uh... Did they have those, one of those machines, what you put like, you know, get snacks.

Vending machine? No, there wasn't a vending machine. It was just, why would it be behind glass? It's just there to take. Oh, right. Like when I was a kid, if there was a... That'd be cool, there was a vending machine. If I was a kid, if there was a stickers,

you would eat the snitching. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wouldn't be like, you know what, I'm going to have that later. Yeah, yeah. No, you eat it now. Oh, you eat it now, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would just love my chip to get snagged. at this party. With that peep into the... I'm pushing the machine so that it unsnags. Anyway. But that peek into that rich world is unbelievable. I've peaked too.

I'm a peaker. You know what I mean? And I've peaked... What do you see in Michael Bay's house where you were like, oh, I can never get to this level? Well, I mean, I don't have a museum. Oh, he has a museum?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of his own stuff? Of all of his own stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah. So I have never been doing an in-house museum. Yeah.

Of his own work. Yeah. There's a bumble. be there. Sure. The full thing. Really? Oh yeah, the car.

Oh my God. Yeah. There's, I already told you that in the movie The Rock, the little the ball. Oh, yeah. The ball thing.

Yeah. Do you remember the Rock? Yeah. Yeah. The green. Yeah, yeah. So I picked that up. He has a museum.

He has a movie theater. I saw a full-blown movie that hadn't been released yet. You know what I mean? In his movie theater. And then I also saw he named his deer. He has a deer?

He has dears. Oh, just like free roaming in the neighborhood. In his backyard. Oh, he goes, there's Frank. I go, okay, you know, okay. I mean, but that's not a rich person thing. Deer just come across people's property, whatever. I wanted to ask you guys, though,

like if you did have absolute, like, fuck you money and you know, like Michael Jackson got like a giraffe. Like, what would be your first big, fuck you purchase? I just would never, I can't imagine an amount of money where I'd ever spend like that. Luke.

I just wouldn't. I would probably... No, no, I would buy you. What? Give me the palisades. You're my bubble. You're my bubbles. You're my bubble.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me that little boy from the palace. Never ending ranch. That's what I called. Never ending ranch. And you would be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you wouldn't do it?

Or how much money would have to pay you to... I mean, it would have to be... To be his backyard giraffe. Yeah. Honestly, if I could just live there for free, I'd probably do it. Lou, come on. No, come on. Name a price.

Name a price. I guess a million a year, be great. That's not true. That's not true. Point two. Not in California. Not in California. Boy, that's one of the props.

Half of that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I take it. Yeah. I mean, people have been urging me to move out of L.A. For a bit now. Tax haven.

Tax. Yeah. One of the tax haven. Yeah, but what are you going to go? Austin. And that's what I'm saying. I don't know where I'll go. Austin.

Well, you love Washington. Puerto Rico. Washington, D.C. No, Washington the state. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're going to continue to do this, this sucks on Zoom, right? Yeah. You got to have people in person.

I know. I know. So that's why I stay. It's only because a podcast guest is the only reason that's linking me into this town is podcasting. Because Andrew's not going to move and where he wants to move, he wants to move into a place

where I don't want to move, which is Phoenix. Oh, God, no. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. I know. He's moving to Phoenix? He wants him with the fetus because of the taxes and also because of the fucking golf. Golf. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you play golf? No. Either. What golf sucks. Jesus. It sucks so bad. It's so boring.

Can I die from smelling their own farts? The shit is so boring. I know. And because of global warming, that place is going to get harder and hotter. In 2050, it's going to be unlivable, Phoenix. The also the amount of, I can't. The amount of. No, yeah, you can.

And you will. Say it. The wasted space of golf courses in Los Angeles alone. And by the way, they're not taxed on this shit. They are not taxed on. It's billions of dollars. And you've got hundreds of thousands of homeless people in the street. And if you just tax the fucking golf courses, I can't.

I hate golf. Churches too. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Don't get me even started. We can all live our lives. You want to lower taxes? Tax churches.

Tax churches, yeah. And oil companies. No? Yes. I thought you were like pausing on oil. No, I'm going to end up. Let me think about oil. Hate golf but love oil. Big oil.

Yeah. So you think it's forever dead Hollywood? No. No, no. I think it's, no. I just think that it's working in a different way. And for people, like, like you and me, no one is ever going to give you the role you want to get. I know. Ever.

They're just not going to do it. These don't be so negative. And it's not just because you don't have, it's not because they don't have a role for you. It's because they, they don't have the money or the courage to cast you in something because they need the latest,

like, well, that's the guy. He's a good actor, but he's, he was going to, replaced you in Death and Roman. Oh, that guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's like this super hot Asian guy with abs.

Yeah. Like crazy abs. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? The British guy. Yeah, and he's British. He's an excellent actor. You were getting recast in that movie too.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. No, it's just the kind of thing. All right, this is the deal. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. He's not from L.A., right? He's not from L.A.

He's not from L.A. He is a kid from New York and Hong Kong, right? Hong Kong, yeah. Like, he's got that style. And he's young, so they don't know, like, about, and also your generation, sorry, buddy. You don't know about, like, a respect or decorum. What?

Oh, the fuck. That, even that. Yeah. Okay. Because when I was your age, I'd keep my mouth. Shut. Shut. You learn and you listen.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If I talk that way in front of Michael Richards. I know, dude. Also, you're saying this guy doesn't know the business. Hong Kong and New York, that's pretty business. No, no, no, I'm talking about the inside of the business. So he, like, made his first thing, and he was like, oh, cool, people like it.

I want to make it even cooler. Let's get some people that can get the movie funded. Me and Bobby can't get the movie funded. No, we can. Maybe. No, we can. But not as much money, and we're not going to get it. Okay.

Okay. We can. I don't have the confidence that you do. Yeah. But isn't that, isn't that, like, kind of how the business works anyway? No. No. the way the business works

is people climb over your corpse to do that. That is true. People are like, hey, hey, can you, give me a favor? I'm gonna, I'm gonna fuck you right now. Can you do me favor? Just let me fuck you.

And you're like, oh, okay, okay, I'm done fucking you. And then they walk over your body. That's what they do. So that's what happened, it seems like. Because if someone calls... So the business happens. How many times in your career

has somebody like, hey, can you come do this thing? it's no money. But on the next thing, it'll be it. Has there ever been a next thing? No. Never been to the next thing. I did this one thing, which was a miracle.

I did a table read. Sure. You're right. You're not cast. You're just doing your favor. And can you do it? And I'm like, I looked at who was in it and what the movie was. And I was like, all right, I'll do it.

And I got cast from the table read. That's the only time that's ever happened. Or I think there are some situations, where you just happen to be, to say yes to something small, and you meet someone there just by chance that leads to something else, which is like, you remember you met Gene Hong? That's the one time it's happened. Yes, you went to Hawaii for a small part in a movie.

Yeah. And then you just happened to run into someone else who was also filming there, and then he actually got you on that show. Yeah, so that's happened. But like the truth is Maybe you're not open enough No the truth is Like people are the mysteries of life

Eat Eat this bowl of shit Bobby And you're like I don't want to eat this bullshit Yeah There's a line of people around the block Will you need this bullshit Bobby

I know? And you're like okay I'll eat it And then you eat it And then you choke it down They're like good boy, good boy And they come around again They're like I need you eat another bullshit

I don't want to I know You already did. I know you can do it. I know. And you're like, but I already ate the bull of shit. And then you're sitting there next 10 empty bowls of shit. You're like, I'm sick.

Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what it is. But let me ask you this, though. I mean, you were a series regular on mom. Yes. Chuck Lori's the best. I love Chuck. I bet on.

The best. The best, right? How long did that go? I did mom for four years. And then I went off and I did another show. and then Chuck came to me and offered me another show. And then I did this show called Bob Hart's Apparillo for five. So I did nine years of Chuck Lurie.

And he said he bring him back and he did. And it was like... Yeah, so it does happen. You develop relationships. No, but I audition in the beginning for Mom, For us here's regular role. And I was given something equal later, right? Yeah.

Like, I never did Chuck a favor. He did me a favor. Yeah, yeah. The whole time, you know what I mean? Yeah. It never really, like, built. It was just this thing that always was, right? Yeah. So you're in the Chuck Lorry.

I'm in the Chuck Lory universe, yeah. In the universe, yeah, yeah. So could you live off that money? No. Oh, okay. I could have at one time, but that when I got on to, yeah, I mean, if you want to get into the minutiae of it, I didn't have any, what's the word, leverage? And I didn't get a huge amount of money. Oh, your quote was low.

Low. Very low when I started mom. never got up. And then I left the show. Could you like, could you, like, could you,

got that big payday. Oh, you never did. Yeah, because at that time, it changed. And it changed. So all those big bang guys

got those, that huge payday. I heard you talk about that. And they spun around and said everybody else, that's not happening again. And then they, in life,

that will never happen again. I don't think it's really going to happen again. Wow. They'll just cancel the show. They'll just feel like, we'll make a different show. Well,

the numbers don't add up though anymore. They don't. Yeah. I'm not blaming anybody for that. Like, there's not the money to give us. I'm not asking for, you know, 500 grand an episode. Anybody gets that is you're going to kill your show.

But if they can afford to give you it, yeah, take it when it's there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not, uh, that money's not there anymore. It's not there anymore, yeah. Yeah. So structurally, is it the hobbit's fault? No, uh, it's, it's the internet. When I say the hobbit.

What? Who's the hobbit? Sean Austin. No. Oh, okay, okay. No. What? He's a president of after,

SAG. Oh, that's right. He walked into a situation that's been bad for decades. Okay. It's just gotten worse and worse. I want to blame the Hobbit, but I don't think I can't.

No, the murder between SAG and AFTRO was like. Do you think of Eragorn was like, you know what I mean? The president of SAG that it would. No. Maybe he is. He is bilingual. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could do some fucking deals with the elves. No, not just that. He speaks Spanish, too. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, the actor. Yes. Oh, the actor. You're thinking the character. Or you're thinking Aragornah, yeah. Yeah, the character. Oh, I see. He speaks Elvis.

Yeah. You know, some dwarves. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. No, the situation has been eroding for decades. It's been eroding for decades, yeah. Yeah.

Well, I think the emergence of the Internet and the emergence of streaming, the emergence of, I mean, I think, network television is pretty much dead. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the years... To an extent. I mean, the years where we were doing it,

like, because, you know, I was on, I think I've been on three series that got picked up. Yeah. That actually aired, you know what I mean? In those days, I was like, oh, if this continues, this will be good. But also, like... And it was 22 episodes a year. But that, that, that, when you got that hit,

you were like, let's say, let's just say, you got a 22 episodes a year and you're going to get 40,000 an episode, right? Yeah. Which is really an actor math like 20 grand an episode. You're lucky if you get 50%. Probably you only get 33%. Because of agent, manager, lawyer, that's 25% off before taxes,

and then they tax you on the gross. So you're getting like 35%. Right? Yeah. So you're not even getting 40 an episode. You're getting like, yeah, like I said, like maybe 18. But times 22, that's a lot of money. And back in the day, when you could go to the fanciest restaurant in Hollywood and only spend 200 bucks, oh man.

Yeah. That's, you're living huge. Huge. You could get a $300,000 house in North Hollywood. Yes. Back then. Back then, yes. Now it's $2 million for a house and you're getting paid less per episode and they're only

doing 10 episodes. Yeah. And going to dinner anywhere in L.A. is $400. Yeah. And also the restaurants suck. Yeah. Mate. Ooh, yeah.

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And you can see, Bobby, there's like the little tape measure. I know. I use it. And I do the bottom one. one here. Yeah, yeah. But now it's at the second level. Do you think that you can get up to this right here? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. That's crazy. Yeah, I'm not Eric Andre. But anyway, meet Bathmate. The number one hydropowered penis pump that actually delivers results. This isn't some gimmick. It's science-backed, proven, and used by guys worldwide who want better performance

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No, I just... Have you been to Damien? Yeah, sure. There are good... Yeah, Davidin is not... Wow, Damien. Yeah, what do you mean? Damien's so good.

It's a sexy bar, but the food itself. is mid. Yeah. There's many other ways. We eat better at home than most restaurants. If you have a wife who is a great cook, there's really nothing beating out. It really is.

I don't know. I disagree. Dunsport is good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember you took me the Major Domo for the first time? Yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My point being is that that's all I get. You eat the upfront. I do the, I order, yeah, I leave halfway during the movie. Yeah, yeah. Like Disclosure Day. You walked out? You walked out? No, I don't walk.

I haven't seen it yet. But I hear people, I see a lot of TikToks going, we walked out, yeah. But there are also other TikTokers that are like, you know what I mean, it changed my life. So I'm going to watch it Wednesday. Did you see the Fableman's? No, good. No. It was bad.

Yeah, but I love his other movies. Boy, that movie, yikes. Yeah, really. I'm talking myself out of Johnson. I love it. No, no, I don't, no, you're not. I think that we're in the age of being honest. Honest, okay.

Yeah, yeah, and your opinion, who cares? Yeah, who gives a shit? Yeah, who gives the shit? But also, you're, like, complaining about your not getting jobs. Everything, like, what job? Wait, I can name one show, one show on TV, right, or two shows. Yeah. That I would love to be on.

Okay. Outside of that, I don't care. Yeah. I don't care. What do you think, okay, in the, spirit of honesty. Who are the top three women and top three

male actors who are taking up too many rules and who should quit? I don't think anybody should quit. I don't think that some people should go, you know what? I have enough. Too much saturday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's too much Nicole Kidman. We all know that. Yeah. He was a show every month. Yeah, before you

see a movie, you see her face. And I went off on that on this other podcast and I and like when is enough enough I get it yeah but also like I don't know maybe she's crazy and she is taking whatever she can get because in her head it'll all go away that's fine yeah I don't blame her I blame that this industry that is like me think that all of her means something do you know what I mean yeah yeah just her is the only way your show could succeed well the that's crazy but the proof is obsession no stars oh yeah The movie's making, gonna make hundreds of millions of dollars. Have you seen Widows Bay?

I heard it's great. That's what I heard. I'm not kidding. It's one of the best shows I've ever seen. Really? Unbelievable. Is it like Twin Peaks level? It is Twin Peaks.

If Twin Peaks was made by someone, it's better than Twin Peaks. I'm sorry. Really? Yeah, yeah. I just rewatch Twin Peaks and this is, it's just so good. I'm watching it tonight. It's got like Cohen Brothers Fields.

Yeah, I love the Coenberg. But also like, it's so fucking good. And Katie DeBold, who wrote and created it. She's a UCB person. I know Katie well. She's a writer. Right. And she wrote on Matt TV for years.

I know. She had to write that shit. And now she's on Widows Bay. Now she's created it like one of the best ones. What do you mean that shit, man? God damn. First time I ever met Bobby. Yeah, yeah.

I want to say 2004 or five. Yeah. I was back home from Amsterdam. And I had a bunch of friends working on Mad, and I, like, hung out backstage or, like, after-party thing. And Bobby cornered me and told me some of the most fucked up stories I've ever heard of my life. And I, like, walked away. And Colton was like, hey, you all right, man? I was like, I don't know, man.

What the fuck did you say? He calls him his deep-east darkies. His deep-de-darkies. That was really funny. I mean, I've heard that before where people like, Eric, Andre always says that, man, you used to tell me the weirdest fucked up stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but like, Mad was, but S&L and Mad suck 85.

All right, it sucks. No, they suck 85% of the time, but the 15% that's good is really, really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just keep it on the table, Matt. Jesus Christ. I have to clean up. Yeah, you have that. I don't know if it's like, you know what it is?

Yeah. You're a working man. Yeah. You're not out of touch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's got it. Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah.

It gives me. There are people that I look on the billboards. I go, him again, him again. Like who? Like who? Like who? I want to know. I think Nick Offerman works a lot. He does?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he also, he does small enough. Yeah. It's not all about him. Yeah, he's not doing like every single big, like. He does work a lot. He does work. He works a lot.

He works a lot. He works a lot. He's very talented. In fact, if I had a project and I was doing it, I would try to make, give him an offer. But like, the biggest. name on Widows Bay is Matthew Reese, who in

the industry is a name, but like people don't know who he is in the world. I don't think it matters anymore. I don't think it does. I'm saying this show is proof, obsession is proof, like. Backrooms. Yeah, you don't need these massive stars. Just do something that's good and interesting. I mean, even

Adam Scott is kind of a name, but like what's the name of the show? Severn. Severance, you know, they're not relying on these huge stars. Yeah, they're not. Yeah, yeah. I think it's the content and it's the originality.

I mean, these new, these repeated IPs that they keep doing, I think that's fucking terrible. Yeah. You know what I mean? Remember they remade Total Recall? Why? I don't know why you would remake Total Recall. I know.

Why would you remake total? Yeah, yeah. It was terrible. I've only seen the remakes. I don't really know. You've only seen the remake? Oh, my God. I didn't even know it was a remake until years later.

The original? This generation, we got to kill him. The original, Paul Verhoeven movie. Yeah, I liked it. So perfect. It was so perfect. It's so good. Dumb and great.

Yeah, it's dumb and great. Fuck. Yeah. Three boobs. What? You made me wish I. There's three boobs in the original. Yeah.

Well, it's in the remake, too. Good movie. Does he say, does he say in the remake, does he say, you make me wish I had three hands? Maybe, I think so. You'd remember. The three boobs in the original is a much better boob. Okay, okay.

Yeah, and like Sharon Stone. Look at this. Look at this. That's a movie right there. And also, I don't blame Colin Farrell. I love Colin Farrell. He's killing it, too. But Colin Farrell now, like post,

I have a fuck boy, Colin Farrell is so much better. Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's one of the other things is, everything is easy. they're either fuck boys, like just, it's nothing but like these gore, like, you think Shalema, you think Shalema is a fuck boy.

Like Jacob Allorties. They're just so attractive. Yeah. If you go back and watch 80s and 90s movies, nobody is that attractive. You're not allowed to be the lead of a movie you're for that attractive because it's too distracting. Right. Like girls and guys.

Even if you look at all of the John Hughes movies, like none of them, like, what's his name? The guy from Pretty and Pink, he was so okay, but just cute. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, or even like James Spader and 16 Candles. Yeah. Like, he's like the bad guy. He would be played by the hottest guy ever now.

Yeah. Whereas back then you have a weird ass guy like James Spader. That's so much more fun to watch. Although you do have like the Barry. Kegan. Kagan, yeah. Kugan. Sure, but he's not in these.

He's in weird. He's in Batman, the new Batman. Yeah, and he was in Saltburn with Jacob. Right. Yeah, but these are British. Here's my theory on that. Let me just hear him finish my. So if you watch, I've said this before.

Yeah. If you watch the movie, the E.T. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And you look at, he was the, I think, I think Spielberg is the master of making a house look like an everyday house. Yeah. Yeah.

So if you look in the house, things are just disheveled, chaotic. You know what I mean? It feels real. Yeah. Yeah. The rooms are only lit by the lights that are in that room. It's not like this bright-ass room. Even close encounters, if you see the house there, it feels real.

real. Now, if you watch a house in a movie, it looks like it's like for sale and it's like, you know what I mean, an IKEA showroom looking house. It doesn't look real. The people don't look real. It's like, I think in the 80s, they booked real looking people. People could relate to.

I feel like a lot of the UK shows still do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're ugly as fuck. I wouldn't fuck anybody in those shows. I love an ugly actor. Me too. You're a great actor. You're gonna get work, a lot of work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you were ugly.

I'm Hollywood. You were so ugly. I think you're ugly. I don't think you're, I think you're good looking now. I know, but I'm Hollywood ugly, right? You are Hollywood ugly. You are Hollywood ugly. You're Midwest hot, though.

I'm a Midwest 8. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a Hollywood 4. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. But you're the, you, but there's something about your face where you're, you seem like a happy guy. And you're, oh, in, on film. On film. Not now.

Not as a person, but yeah, yeah. I mean, because I've worked with you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was a grueling. The most grueling. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't great.

It wasn't great. And what transpired after that was just really devastating. And it enraged me. It arranged me. Yeah, yeah. I do have a thing now where people ask me to do something. I'm like, well, if you make something else, then I have to be involved. else I'm not doing this shit for free.

Get that shit on paper. I'm going to get it on paper next time too. Yeah. Because this dude told us when we make the movie, you guys are going to be in it. He just a fool told us that. Yeah, and then he saw like a commercial for something 824 and he just jerked off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the guy. Did you get replaced by Charles Melton? No, if it was Charles, because I know Charles, I'd be honored. Okay. Who's supposed to replace me ever yet? They haven't even cast that yet.

Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Be someone really hot. Like, that guy's gorgeous. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That whole thing kind of ruined Project Hail Mary for me, honestly. What?

Ryan Gosling does not seem like a scientist teacher. They're like, he's like, me? I can never do it. And he's in like a little cardigan, but he is like perfect hair and perfect highlights and all this stuff. And he's supposed to be like a school teacher that they just find out. He's one of the greatest actors of our general. He's excellent in the movie, but you do have a point. It was like, this is so, they're like, he's like little old me.

it's like you're like the hottest guy ever. I feel like you'd walk in and be like, who the fuck is this? Do you know who would play him, be in Project Hail Mary if he was made in like 1985? Richard Dreyfus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what he's like a bull? Yes. Yeah. There's also a thing. A guy who's a real piece of shit in real life. If you really. I mean, if we want to go all Hollywood, I can tell you who the pieces of shit are.

You want me to say something? I don't want you to ruin Richard Dreyfus for me. Oh, wow. He's done it for himself. Yeah, yeah. I'll throw a name out. He's an excellent. Helen Hunt.

Oh, boy. Have you, have you, have you, have you, actually, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To your point about, like, not believing Ryan Gosling, you know, there's this whole, like, sentiment around not casting anyone who's done any body modifications and any historical pieces.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's done. Yeah. Like, I think that that has to be true because it's like you see these, like, even they did a show about, um, Stevie Nicks and you know and they cast girls with you know lip fillers and it just does not look right like you can tell and it's just it takes you out of the whole era

altogether yeah totally yeah but it's all just to sell products it is yeah it's all to sell products so like if you want to be in this TV show or movie whatever the fuck it is what are you talking about like I'm saying you want to act you're complaining I'm doing a movie in July great And I want to tell you this. I never read it. I don't know what my part is. Right?

They just go, do you want to do this movie? I go, how much is it? And they tell me the number and I go, okay, I'll do it. You want to read it? No. Sure. No one's going to see it. Fair.

Yeah. So that's where I'm at. This is not good provo for you. But also like. I'm sure it's great. I'm sure it's going to be great. The realization I came to with all of this is like, let's say the greatest movie or the greatest TV show ever,

like in my wildest dreams, what's going to happen, right? Okay, I'm doing really well. And then I get nominated for an Emmy and I went an Emmy. And I'm staying on the stage and I go, oh, thank you for Miami. Yeah. And then I go home and then there's a bunch of phone calls for all of these new products and shows and now I'm going to have tons of money. Yeah.

Oh, great. Everything's great. And I'm not going to see my kids as much because I'm gone all the time. I was going to tear apart my relationship of my wife. Absolutely. You want to... Why is that funny?

Do you want to... Do you want me a list of all 40 different famous people that used to be happy? It aren't because they're famous now? I'll tell you that. It just took such a turn so quickly. It's like the driving through the Palisade story. God damn, kid.

Welcome to the real world. The real world, dude. Takes a turn real quickly. All of a sudden, you blow up, right? So I'm, I try not to concentrate on how shitty it all is right now. Yeah. Like just jobs that come and go and me being that like mid-range kind of like I'm just in stuff. I want to be Nick Offerman, right?

Yeah, yeah. I don't need to be in the front. Yeah. I'm already the main character in my life. Yeah. I got a beautiful wife and two kids. I'm doing great. Yeah.

I don't need to be the main character in your shitty thing that sells boner pills. Anyway, let's move on. That's so weird. Uncomfortable. What? What? I didn't say anything. Give me out of it.

People age. He's talking about blowing up. Yeah, go ahead. Tell the story. Because I really want Matt to weigh in. So I had to feel the very distressed phone call from his pool guy because he's like, I don't know what this is. But like I've been coming here every single week. I'm doing everything I can.

But like the pool is brown. Black? Black. I was on that phone call. Yeah. He's like, pool is brown. There's something in here and, you know, he was like losing his mind being like, I don't know what I did. He thought he was at fault.

Yeah, yeah. It was my fault. Only to find out that Bobby has picked up a new hobby of distressing t-shirts and he was pouring coffee into his pool, this beautiful pool. Because he wanted to stain the shirt. And I want to ask you guys if you think that that's out of touch or artistic. Um, I, I think it's just, uh, stupid. No, eccentric.

It's just stupid. No, eccentric. Yeah, it's just like, that's a dumb thing to do. And then you learn from it. What gave you the idea to use the, you didn't have like a bucket or something? Or like bathtub? Yeah, I have buckets now. Okay.

He learned? I learned. See, that's the moral of this podcast. And there's always a story to be told. Yeah. Right? And the story and the moral of this podcast is you learn. Yeah.

You make a mistake and you learn. Yeah. And guess what? The pool is clear now. Okay. Do you ever go on it? I do. I went in there yesterday.

Yeah. You know, I'm living in a almost retirement age. Okay. Yeah, I'm headed toward like figuring things out so that I can get out. I've been going to a lot of friends 50th birthday parties. Yeah. And it is a weird deal. Yeah.

How old are you now? I am almost 45. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's weird. Yeah, it's that weird? No, no, it's just weird that like I'm watching. I have a lot of friends who have died recently. I had a dog friend die yesterday.

Yeah, like all different reasons. And you're just like, I just can't give a shit anymore. About what people think. Oh, I thought you were like that. I used to be worried about what people think and I just, I'm not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm at a point. where I don't give a shit.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, that, when I always saw some of the videos that were popping up with you, right,

it was very interesting because perception wise, I always thought that, oh, Matt Jones is killing it. And I had an envy almost about you. You know what I mean? And then I was like, it was very interesting to see

that other guy named Kirk Avadido. Acevedos. Whatever. He would, was talking about Asavito. He was also talking about how he has to move and this

and that. And I started having real deep empathy for people that I know and that are great actors. I've always, not envied, but I was like, good for them. And it's like, it's so interesting to watch something die. You know?

You know, it's so interesting to see this thing that I spent my whole life reaching for and desiring and working my, because we've been through some fires. Sure. Yeah, I mean, we went through some pain and some fire to get here.

You know, and for it to die is very, very interesting, you know? And a kid like this, you mean, who has the same desires as we did. Yeah. How old are you now? 25. Yeah.

Yeah. 25. Yeah. And it's like, why are you smiling? I don't know. Why are you laughing at it? Five. So when I was 25, so I booked my first episode of Breaking Bad when I was 25.

Oh, great. I'm already fucking behind. 20 years. No, but at that point, I had already been trying to work for eight years, seven years, because I started 18. I didn't go to college. Because I'm not a rich kid. No, but like, I'm saying, like, so much has happened like that since then. And in that past 20 years, like, some people, I was on the street the other day.

and a guy's like, you know, hey man, you got any fucking meth or whatever? And I'm with my kids and my wife. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, because of the show. Yeah, because they think I'm the same person I was 20 years ago. Oh, right. Right? Yeah. That perception is going to be with me forever.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. So I'm still kind of stuck in this 25-year-old things sometimes. I got really angry about it because I'm like, other things have happened in 20 years. I draw, I'm walking down the street. and people will yell out,

oh, hot dog. Yeah. Which is a sketch I did in Mount TV. And it puts the chill down your fine. Or they call you Mrs. Swan. You're like, that wasn't even... I know. I button that, too.

How do you know that happens to me? Yeah, because I can guess. Yeah, you can guess. Because, by the way, the Venn diagram of Matt TV fans and Breaking Bad fans, I mean, it's really... Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of, like, teenage Hispanic boys.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it really is. It really is. Yeah, yeah, which is a good thing. It's a great thing. It's a great thing, yeah. And then it was interesting to see you talk about the conventions. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the conventions is what we call, Luke, stay in tune. I'm listening. The conventions are basically us going on the road. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? It's like road dates. And it's like, you know, I got to be in Cleveland.

you know, I mean, to do something is pretty much. And, you know, actors do that to make some extra cash. It's like personal appearance. And your personal appearance person does that from your agency, right? The same person that does your comedy, that does probably the comedy bookings as well, you know. So it's interesting to see how that, because even when I go on the road, you know,

I sold 5,000 tickets in Toronto, but my point is that, you know. But still Just let me get it Let me just get my laugh out What the fuck? Anyway The convention scene

Has died as well You've done them Yeah What is it like? Well it was I haven't done a ton But what do you do? You sit there at a booth Sit at a table Yeah

And there's a thing behind you and it says like Matt Jones and it maybe list the shows I've been on. Yeah. And people like, I mean, it's, it's just everything. It's,

you have people that are 700 pounds or, or like the hottest girl you've ever seen. Yeah. Like, it's just all walks of life. America. America. Yeah. And they walk by and they go,

oh, oh, you're in. Huh. And then they keep walking. And you see it all day long. And I'm sitting next to people that, are Oscar winner types all the time.

Yeah. And no one's doing well anymore. Right. Anymore. I mean, there are. So how do you make the money? So they wait in line. Animation's doing well.

Like, if you're like the voice on one piece, you're doing great. Yeah. Michaela's doing great. Yeah. So they wait in line and they, and how do you make the money? Okay. So there'll be a thing that says like selfie, and that's a price. I don't know what people's price.

What's your price? I honestly don't know. It changes per convention. Let me guess. Okay, selfie's how much? I would, five bucks? She. No.

Self is like 30 bucks. Are you on your mind? I think selfies every day. I take selfies for free. I take selfies for free. Always. Yeah. Only if I'm at that table

would I charge for. Because everybody else. Between being inside a building and outside of building. Everybody else is charging for it and you're fucking the people out of their money if you're doing it for free because you're lowering the entire thing. So everyone's $30.

Oh, 30 is the cheapest. Some people are like 100 first. How much would you charge Bobby for an indoor selfie? Free? No, no. If I'm at a convention. You have to set a price. You can't be free.

I believe the bottom of whatever the bottom is. Yes. If it's $30, then probably $30. So what it is is, it's like $30. bucks. Okay, there you go. This is like an animation. Selfie is 40 for A.J. Locascio, the voice of Gambit

from the 90s. That's a selfie? That's $40. Autograph, print, 60. I do that for free. And then the combos. Autograph selfie, 80. Voice recording, 70. Premium item, 80. Wow. Who's the cheapest in there?

Oh, here we go. Alpha Takahashi. she charges $20 a premium item Wow so that's how they make their money Yeah I have no I don't know anything about that world But have you considered doing like improv shows Like you have this whole other skill set that like might be more fun than Do improv shows where?

Like you're saying that you only do three or four improv shows a year or something But maybe you could like like do you ever consider doing stuff like that Instead of like a convention thing that seems kind of You just don't make money that way people it's just not a thing Yeah, yeah. Here's the thing. I could go, I literally could, I've had, I could do stand-up, right? And that is a hard, hard life.

It's really hard work. How do you know? Because every, because you're just gone all the time. How many nights a week would you say he should go do sets? How many nights do you do a week? Like I try to do every night. Yeah, that's every single night. Yeah.

That's hard. Yeah. but we're doing something every single night. That's hard. I put my kids to bed. But it's fun. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.

Absolutely. But you're in a different situation. What I would say to you is that I think it would be fun if you got a set together. You have 10. Get 25. And then like, you know what I mean? If I do a theater date or something, just come do it. Absolutely.

And then I think that, you know, can I make some suggestions? Absolutely. And you'll be open? I'm listening. I feel... I'll tell you to fuck off. I feel like a defense system is going up. Because I did text you some stuff and then you didn't...

No, but you said about a podcast. I know, I know. So it's like, you know, I feel like there's just some defenses going up and you're like, fuck this guy. I'm trying to help you. Okay. You know what I mean? I think that you're a talent. You're my friend and I'm trying to fucking help you.

All right. All right. I'm taking it. I don't want any defense. Okay, that's all. So, um... Shut the fuck up. I know.

So, um, there's a couple of things I want to say. Okay, so number one is, um, why don't you do sketches? Yeah. With your friend online. Yeah. Right? And put them out. Yeah.

There's some sketches got people that don't, never even heard of from the Midwest that I follow and I love their sketches. Yeah. There's a couple really funny accounts. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? You have that skill set. Have you watched.

Cheese Parade. No. They're good. I'm obsessed with them. Yeah, yeah. So I'll look up cheese parade. Write that down for me. Cheese Parade.

And that's number one. I don't see you doing that. Yeah. And I think that you can figure out, you know, it's cheap. Not a lot of money. It's just the writing and who you do it with. Yeah. And they don't have to be long.

Yeah. So that's one thing. I know it feels like you're selling out. And it feels like desperation. No, no, no. It just feels like a younger. man's game. It's not younger man. Yeah. It just feels like that's what he should be doing.

No, no. There's the 70 and 80. And to be fair, I've had, I've been busy working on jobs for a while. And now. Well, that what's the problem? No, no, no, no. But now I'm not. And now I need to listen to shit like this. Okay. And take this advice. Absolutely. So I would number one do that. Okay. And number two, um, you have improv skills. And I could, I would be fairly honest with you right now.

No, I'll be completely honest. Yeah, yeah, not fairly. What I want to say is, the thing is, is that there's some, what's it called, Bobby isms? Bobby. The thing is that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate doing that. Anyway, anyways, another one. It's one of my transitions.

There's a lot of things that are glaring, but let me, I'm just going through my own little. I was listening to myself in that podcast I did, and I said, um, like 10 days. thousand times. I know. I remember. It's horrible. Yeah. So the second thing is you know how to add information. You're good with a silence. And I think that you have the skill set to do it because when I watched you do that podcast, a couple of podcasts, I'm like, oh, this guy, it's very interesting. You know, so, and you can be funny on these. It's tape recorded. You're just having conversations with people. Sorry, continue.

No, why did you giggle at that? I've never heard that even said, tape recorded. That's what a tape is. I'm showing him. I know what it is. Yeah, it's tape recorded. It digitally recorded, you know what I mean?

Through complex systems. This is why I bought my son a real telephone where he can actually do this. I make him say hello, hello, and he's learning this instead of this, because I'm afraid of tape recorded. Yeah, but he's going to be doing this. I don't care. He's going to learn analog first.

Yeah, but that doesn't exist. It does. It's like teaching your son to do this. We're just like sword fighting. I think people are going back to analog. Like, what's the point? Nope. Yeah, yeah.

Isn't it funny now we're in a place where you want him to be doing this? Like, because kids aren't doing that anymore. Do you know that? Are you drinking off? I try to jerk off as much as I can. Okay. you do yeah it just hard a fine time you don't have a busy schedule Jesus Christ

what do you mean open mics or fucking any business 25 year old just said he's too busy to jerk off so the rest of the three I mean 23 hours you have no time yeah I mean jerking off nowadays takes like you know five or six hours really what

that's that's what everyone's doing you know oh they edge it yeah you got an edge You don't have to do that. You don't have to do it. Everybody jubs off a cliff. Yeah, you don't have to do it. You just jerk off in five minutes. It's just edging is like that's all the rage.

Yeah, you know, that's what everybody's into these days. That's just, you know. But I think the health benefits comes from actual. Palisades. Oh, yeah. Palisades. That's what you have to do. Crazy.

What? I understand that. I'm sure because I rarely masturbate. And I, that's great. Okay. Because I have a girlfriend. know. Congrats.

So the other day I had the, you know, the spirit. You were moved by the spirit. I was moved by something. That's the devil on your shoulder. Okay. Anyway, I had the devil all my shoulder. Right? And I'm like, I'm going to bang one out quickly.

You know what I mean? It took me about two minutes. Wow. Yeah. Yes. I think two to five minutes is probably the time. Yeah. You can do it.

Yeah. How long does it take you? Yeah, we're on there. Yeah. Yeah. Let's say five minutes. Maybe it's our age and our democracy. I don't know.

It's generational. I know how to get me off. I know you know. I would do through imagination? No. Okay, okay. Come on. Cave paintings.

Yeah. I wonder what cavemen did. Yeah. Do you think they were like, uh-huh? Yeah, yeah. And then a guy next next to made the boobs bigger. And he's like, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Or, you know, those books that you can tell a story. So you do a thousand of those, right? And you're just running and jerking off. Running and jerking off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think that's bad, though? You think it's bad?

Are you saying it's better that kids are not jerking off or that they are? I think they need to want to get out of the house and have sex. Yeah. Right, right, right. I think that's a good thing. There's a male loneliness epidemic going on in their 20s. Yeah. And it's all, I mean, just go to Scott Galloway.

He can explain it. Yeah, I love Scott Galloway, too. And also, this whole thing of, like, the amount of 25, like, young people think you may need to be CEOs and, like, entrepreneurs and stuff, it's disgusting. Yeah. I hate it. What happened to just dorks, you know? The dorks have been fucked. Yeah.

Yeah, the dorks have been, because back in the day, dorks got laid. Yeah. If you look at photos of, I don't want to start a fight with you. I don't want to start, I don't want to start fight with you because I have fights with my little squabbles with my girlfriend about it. Okay. Where I'm just telling her, right, that it's like in the 70s, you can look at photos and you see a very attractive woman in a photo booth like a JCPenny or a photo, you know, those photo booths. Like Amelie. Yeah, okay.

The Amelie type photo booth. Yeah. Do you know understand? Yes. Okay. And then. Right?

And you'll see like an attractive woman with a dude that like could shoot up a school back. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like they were like not that attractive. And they were like they had a good factory job. They were nice to the woman, you know. And these factors no longer, you know, apply to modern dating and how, you know, that's all I'm saying. I don't think that the onus is on the woman that you.

See, that's exactly what I knew you were going to say. And that's why pre-did did a pre-warning. Yeah, it's like, hey, ugly dudes. Get good then. No, no. How can an ugly dude get good? There's so many ways. I dated an ugly dude for a very long time.

I wasn't talking about you. They laughed. I wasn't talking about it. Yeah, it was definitely mad at all. I've had. I know where you meant. I think, no, but I wasn't, I wasn't even talking about you. I am ugly.

I'm not talking about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty ugly. If you look at my history of people that I've dated, yeah, it's like from here to there, but it's like. That's you and you're a different generation. But no, it's not, it's not a different generation. I truly think that. That's you. I think that men really need to understand that if you make a woman feel safe, if you're kind,

if you can actually offset the fact that at some point she's going to have children and, and have some difficulty with her body, with her state of mind. If you just get good, I promise you, we're available. Yeah. It's like,

it's not, it's, I'll stop there. In my ugliest times, you know, I'm the best looking I've ever been right now for me. I believe that.

Thank you. Yeah. But I was very ugly and I did quite well with women for a very long time. Yep. And it was just because I had the confidence

to talk to them and, like, not. And usually pick up women who had only been dating hot guys, and they're like, I can't do that anymore because those guys are awful. Yeah. There is. See? Pretty colloquy.

Everything was vaguely lesbian. So cute. Looks like the general manager at Lowe's. Yeah, yeah. Did you play, um... Kim. Yeah. You play lacrosse or something?

I mean, that is crazy. I don't know. It was just 90s. That shirt. cool. What kind of shirt is that? My aunt worked in Nordstrom. Is this 20s? Oh, you have good hair. Yeah, that was my one of my first head shots. That's cool.

That's incredible. This is the emergence of who you are. That's when I booked like 12 commercials in a year. See, that's another thing. It's gone. I know, it's gone. What year was that? That would have been like 2003? Yeah, yeah. Like in the 90s?

Oh, look, you missed the days. I know. That's what everyone tells me. All I hear is that I completely miss the But people are still trying to do it. Do you do self-tape? Like, I've never gone in-person for an audition before. Oh, yeah, I only do self-tape. Yeah, I did a, gosh, I, yeah, I can't think of the last, like, in-person audition I had.

Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. Because people, I always hear people tell stories about, like, horrible audition things. Yeah, I'm always jealous of that, though. Yeah, that's real. You bombed, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I had this one where the character's supposed to be autistic. Yeah. and it was like I love it it was in Santa Monica in one of those like production companies so it was like next step I'm at producers right the room is filled with people

but it was in a room that you could hear outside of that room and in the hallway are like 10 guys we all vaguely look the same in slightly different ways and I could hear the guy before me crush He did fine. Okay.

But it wasn't a comedy thing. It was like slightly, it was a drama. I didn't say what crush meaning, you know, it was a comedy thing. He was doing good. Yeah, he was doing well. Okay. I think. But how do you know what drama?

They're not applauding. They're just quiet, right? Yeah, but you could hear him talk. Yeah. And make choices. He sounded really autistic. He sounded fine, right? Yeah.

So I was like, hmm. So I get in there and I go, hey, it's the castor. How autistic? Like, how far do you know? Oh, you should really go for it. Just really go for it. Oh, my God. And it wasn't autistic.

Like, it was like, I played like, I don't think of the better word. I played it very retarded. Yeah, yeah. Like, very offensive. Yeah, yeah. But, like, traumatic. Like, I was like Leonardo Caprio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And what's eating Gilbert? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like really going for that. You can't do the tree. Yeah, better than that. Oh, yeah. And I came out of the room, and I'm talking, and they were quiet. I come out of the room, and I'm talking to a friend in the hallway, and I just hear, well, that was offensive.

Oh. Oh. I went for it, and I missed. Oh, my God. And I don't think I saw that casting director much. Yeah. Did you ever, did you ever, like, freeze or no? No.

I am more comfortable on stage or in like a stressful situation like that than I am anywhere else. Wow. You put me in front of 5,000 people. I'm better there than I am one-on-one. I used to freeze. I never. You never froze? No.

Oh, okay. No, my wife actually asked me that. My wife's an actress, very accomplished in her own right. She's like, do you ever have that dream where you don't know your lines? I was like, I've never had that dream where I don't know my lines or I don't feel prepared or I'm scared. I've never had that dream as an actor. So you've never been nervous the night before. I've been nervous, but like it's like I'm more just anxious. I want to do it. Yeah. I'm not like, oh no, what if you know your lines already. Yeah. And even if I don't, I'm fine. Wow. I'm getting to

that point now too. Even if I don't know the lines, I'll just get through it. Oh, the kind of projects I do, it doesn't even matter. You know what I mean? Yeah, you're saying you're not even reading the script. No, what I'll do now is I'll be in makeup and read it for the first time. Oh my God. And I'll go, oh. No. I don't think I can do this. Bobby, I've done that.

What do you mean? What you've done? I've done that same thing. Yeah. Because we're similar in the way of our ADD is so strong. Yeah. That it's you can only deal with the thing you're doing that day. Yes.

Yeah, yeah. I can't deal with it three days. Yeah, yeah. Five days out. Exactly. It's I crammed. I would get eight. on tests, but I'd never do my homework.

Yeah. So I strongly would watch a podcast, and even I'll blow you for a guest spot, the funny thing that you said, you know, is a really good title. I think it'd be fun to watch you talk to other actors about how it's changed and complain.

Well, because... I love complaining. You know what it is, is the perception of what you said. Like, my perception of what somebody else is doing is always, doing so great. They're doing so great. And you're like, how much is their podcast making? What the fuck? Why am I not doing that? Oh, because I don't have the confidence of that I, that, that people would watch, right? Or listen. They're not in the beginning. Right. And you just have to do it for a couple years and build your audience. Yeah. Yeah. They're not going to, it's not a lot of work. It's

not a lot of work. It's once a week. Right. For one hour. Yeah, you only do this once a week. Yeah. Sometimes twice a week, but this week, how many are we doing? Just this one? Just this one, this week. I'm doing one tonight with my other one. And then the week's pretty much over. I go to New York to promote something else, Saturday, but my week's open.

So my point is, it's an easy job, it's fun to do. And then once you build an audience, it's pretty much good. I don't know if I'm going to grow any higher than I've already grown. I think I'm pretty much at the level Maybe do you find podcast dipping It is in general Yeah because so here's here's here's my complaint You want to hear my complaint

All right it's the reason why I Andrew and I and we all did in the first place Is because Hollywood was like no more Yeah right so then I was like What do I do? So I did this 10, well how much? How many years has Tiger Billy been around? 11. 11 years.

We've been doing this. 11 years. Right. And then all of a sudden you see Hollywood stars doing it. You know what I mean? Guys that don't need to, would you need, you're already in. Yeah, yeah.

You did it already. Stay in your lane. Yeah. Stay in your lane. You did it. Yeah. You know, you're in talk series and killing it, and then you're doing this side hustle.

For a while. while it felt like we were, the podcasters were just like the outcasts. Of course. Or the underdogs. It like felt that was the vibe in the beginning, which is why. But that was the vibe of someone watching them and listening to them.

I used to listen to a ton of podcasts. Yeah. There's a bunch of people that are friends of yours. I used to listen to their podcasts and I don't anymore. Why? Because I'm sick of listening to them talk about watches and shit and how complained about how fucking rich they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, Jesus Christ, guys, do you remember who, why we started listening to you? Yeah. He went way far away from that. Yeah. I'm very frugal. Okay. Cheap. I'm cheap.

I mean, I spend my money with my girlfriend, like, we'll go. You want to go to a nice restaurant tonight? Great. That I can afford. Yeah, he's extremely generous. Yeah, but it's like, I don't like, I know some, like the watches. You know what I mean? I know that a couple of these podcasts will compare, like, where'd you get that?

Oh, this is a $400,000. I'm like, what are you doing? Is that an investment though at that point? No. Yeah, they think it's an investment. They think it's an art piece. Yeah. But that art piece?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, are we the Medidici? Like, that's insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like, look. They're telling dick jokes on stage. Put money away and get some interest. Yeah.

I got a titanium, you know what I mean? Putter for, you know, from, from cockatoo. Cushi. And all that is a flex, right? It's a flex. I understand the flex. I get it.

I don't get it. This is fake gold, right? Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like fake gold. Yeah, but like I don't, it loses me as an audience. Yeah, I get it. When I'm driving in my car and I'm worried about paying for something, I have a cousin or cousin-in-law who is Filipino who lives in Winnipeg and they fucking love Bobby, right?

Yeah. A bunch of weird Filipino. Filipino's number one, Bobby Lee. Love Bobby Lee, right? They, like, you starting a podcast because you're the weird guy from Mad TV. That worked, right?

What's the weird guy? You were the weird guy in Matt TV? You were the straight man. Okay, the guy that we put in a green screen suit to look like he's jacking off dragon. That's Bobby Lee. The straight man. You're right, I did do that.

Yeah. Well, you know, I feel like, you know, I love my fans. And when I see the audience, it reminds me of who I am. Yes. Yeah. And they're all like me. Yeah. You know what I mean?

They're just like, you know, particular, you know. And I, and I, and I, I love that. I'm the Pied Piper of them, you know, and it's like, you know, you have an audience out there too. I do. And so I think that. And I will say I get very frustrated with myself. that I don't. You're gonna. You're gonna, you're gonna do it.

I'm gonna force you to do it. Because I, like, there are guys out there that you, and I know this bothers you, where you're like, really, that guy's a bigger name than me? Yeah. You're like, everywhere you go in the world, someone's gonna know who you are. Who me?

Yes. When you walk down the street, someone's gonna recognize it. It just happens. I get recognized every single day. I know you do. It just is how I am. And guys that that never happens to

are considered a bigger name than me. I know. And I don't... It's so frustrating. Know how to make that money. Yeah. Well, we're going to teach you. Sure.

Yeah, yeah. We're going to teach you how to do it. So you're producing my podcast. I'm thinking about it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm literally thinking about it. I want to give it a go.

I'll give you. All the money you want. No, no. No, no, no. No, we'll do a fair deal. But anyway, I just... I want to do a down note. You know what I mean?

Are you plugging anything, by the way? No. Okay. That wasn't down there. Yeah. What? Check out his Instagram. Yeah.

Follow his Instagram. You're about to have 100K. Yeah. It keeps, the bots keep going in and out of 100K, you know. Yeah, yeah. I did that one big cleanup. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So get into Matt here. And then I just download rest in peace, Oliver Tree. Yesterday was the roughest. I'm sorry. what? No, it was the roughest day yesterday. I was supposed to do a bunch of shot, cancel everything, and I don't know, I'm still processing it, but I love you and I miss you, and what a talent, and what an oddball. And I think that's the thing that I relate to most about him is him and I were the same kind of people, you know? But anyway, it's a comedy podcast

And it was a rough day yesterday And rest in peace, brother Give Matt Jones a round of a block I'm a cabal loo