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Too Scary; Didn't Watch - SINNERS with Ronald Young Jr.

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is a HeadGum Podcast. The new McCrispy Strip is here. Dip approved by ketchup, tiny barbecue, honey, mustard, honey mustard, Sprite, McFlurry, Big Mac sauce, double dipped in Buffalo and ranch, more ranch, and creamy chili McCrispy Strip dip. Now at McDonald's. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for
Starting point is 00:00:42 those too scared to watch themselves. I'm Henley and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to and we are missing Emily today, which is especially sad because she saw this week's movie as well and loved it. Look at this. How brave is she? So she's sad to miss it because yeah, this movie's really great. We're not going to tell you what it is yet, but check the timestamps in the show notes if you want to jump straight to our recap. Because first, I got to know if anything scary happened to you this week, Henley. cap because first I got to know if anything scary happened to you this week, Henley. Okay. So besides the day-to-day absolute terror of living in this modern hellscape that we
Starting point is 00:01:32 call America, besides that- Sure, sure. Yeah. We don't talk about that. Yeah. I do want to tell you about my experience yesterday where Tim had to work and he had to take the car. We only have one car, but it was Silas's best friend's birthday. And so I needed to figure out how to get Silas and May to his best friend's birthday party without a car. So the way that it ended up, when you have two small children, you need car seats.
Starting point is 00:01:59 You can't go anywhere without car seats. That makes things really difficult. So our neighbor, very kind neighbor, offered to let me borrow his car to bring them to this birthday party. I feel like the second I'm borrowing somebody else's car or even just driving a strange car that I'm less familiar with, it's like, I don't know how to drive. I forgot how to drive. Okay. Yes. So Tim took the car seats out of our car,
Starting point is 00:02:25 put them into his car. Now, let me tell you, the car that we drive is like a decade old Subaru. It's like a piece of shit. It has been through the wringer. Our neighbor's car is like a brand new BMW SUV. And so I get into the car, and I put Silas and May into the car and we're already running late. I already timed things terribly and we're running late. I'm stressed that just managing an 18 month
Starting point is 00:02:53 old and a three and a half year old in general is like, feels like going to like, I don't know, warfare every day. I mean, it's not that bad, but. No, it's the same. I mean, it's not that bad, but... No, it's the same. So I get into the driver's seat. Mind you, my neighbor who's so nice, he's out in the parking lot with me, gives me the keys, shows me the car. It's like, okay, great, looks good.
Starting point is 00:03:17 That's worse if he's watching you drive. Well, he could tell I was getting nervous. So I think he picked up on that as he walked inside the house. And I was like, thank God. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God. So he can't see me. Then I turn on the car. Everything's great. But it's one of those cars. So stupid. It's just one of the ones where you like have to press like the unlock button on the side of the stick. Like there's like a gear shift thing that you press unlock. And then you have to press up or down to get to the various, what do you even call those? Drive neutral park.
Starting point is 00:03:52 I think gears. Yeah, gears. Yeah, you had it. Gears. Sure. Sure. So, Silas and May are sitting in the back. Silas is like, why aren't we going? I'm realizing I have no idea what, I haven't figured out the unlock part yet. I'm clicking the gear. A recurring nightmare of mine is just like being in a car and being like, I forgot how everything works and I'm on a freeway going 90 miles an hour and I forgot how to do any of this.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Yeah, and you also have your like two precious children in the back and you're like, please don't mess this up. So I'm like trying to do the gear and it's not working. I'm like, I know something, what am I doing that's not working? All I have to do is press the unlock button. I haven't figured that out yet.
Starting point is 00:04:29 But before I figure it out, I just am like, this isn't fucking working. And I'm like usually pretty good about not cussing in front of that. And Silas goes, what's fucking? Oh my God. What's fucking? Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:04:43 What's fucking? And I was like, oh no, we're good. It's like right in that moment, I realized I have to just press the unlock button and then we're all good. I'm like, no good. We're all good, buddy. It's all good. Just ignore mommy.
Starting point is 00:04:55 We're good. Oh my God. Has he said it again? Or he forgot it. I mean, he's almost four. That's pretty good for not hearing the word fucking. You've done great. I feel like I would not have been able to hold out that long. I feel like I'm pretty proud of myself. I feel
Starting point is 00:05:10 like I'm really usually very good at keeping myself under control. But there have been a couple moments just in the past, honestly 36 hours, because Tim has been gone and it's just been me and we've had to do a lot of things. It's one thing if we don't have to like get to a lot of places or like accomplish a lot, then it's kind of like whatever, who cares? But if you're actually trying to like, you know, be productive, yeah, that can be very stressful. And so anyway, I drove the car, it wasn't far, I didn't crash it. I didn't, I did everything okay, everyone was safe. Everyone at the birthday party thought I was driving
Starting point is 00:05:50 a brand new BMW SUV. Unfortunately, that's not me. I felt like I was cosplaying as a true Greenwich person. Yeah, you lived a day in a true Greenwich person's life. But yeah, that was my scary thing. Sammy, what about you? Tell me about you. Well, mine is a little personal, a little intimate.
Starting point is 00:06:16 So I'm currently freezing my eggs. Oh, Sammy, I'm so glad you're telling me about this. Which I won't get too much into, but it's crazy and there's needles involved. It has a procedure at the end that you have to be under anesthesia for. So it's not no big deal. It's pretty intense. The picture you sent of the amount of items you need, there are so many items involved. So yes, the main thing is you have to take two shots a night, self-administered at home. They just send you home with needles and medication and they're like, all right, good luck. And like an instructional YouTube video. My nurse was quite nice, but it's still like, all right, good luck. And like an instructional YouTube video. My nurse was quite nice. So,
Starting point is 00:07:06 but it's still like, you're doing this on your own. And here's a video and call us if you have any questions. And luckily, I'm not even scared of needles, but it's still like, I don't never injected myself with any needles. I'm like, so hyping myself up for it. I did my first shot, first of two. First of two goes smoothly. Great. Didn't hurt. Pretty easy. Phew. One done. Second one, the syringe it comes with has a really long needle that you swap out with a smaller needle. Uh-huh. And... Wait, so it comes with a long needle that you replace with a smaller needle before you
Starting point is 00:07:51 inject it? Yes, the default in the packaging is this really intimidatingly large needle. And so you have to take that needle off and replace it with a shorter, much shorter centimeter long needle. Okay. But in the process of doing this, and this is the one that I've been told hurts a little bit more. And so I'm nervous already for this second shot. They told me to do it second because it hurts a little bit more. So I'm like, okay, psyche
Starting point is 00:08:14 myself up. Let's go, let's go, let's go. And take the big needle off, throw it in the sharps container as they're called. And I get the little needle on and I can't get the cap off the little needle and I'm just pulling, pulling, pulling. It's not opening. I'm like, what the fuck? Why is this so hard to open? And I pull so hard and it flies off, but I recoil from pulling so hard and the like, I don't know, motion of it and just stab myself in three fingers, my pinky, my ring finger and my middle finger. Wait, through the, with the needle? Just like through your- Not like piercing them through like a shish kebab, but like hitting all three of them.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Like you just like you cut the top of each of those fingers. It mostly went into the pinky and then then skidded past the other two. I bent the needle in a 90-degree angle. It bled a lot. Why is this worse than watching Evil Dead to me? This is worse. I should have said trigger warning for needles. Some people really do have an immediate fainting thing
Starting point is 00:09:22 with blood and needles, but I guess they probably wouldn't be willy-nilly listening to this podcast. Yeah, that's true. But it looks fine now. You can't see any, you can't see anything. It's healing well, but then... Do they give you like extra needles or could you still just...
Starting point is 00:09:38 Yes, they do. Okay, all right. They do. And after, you know, stopping the bleeding and bandaging myself up, I was able to get on another of the small needles and I was able to make it work and take the shot. And it didn't hurt that bad either, but then my finger really hurt. Oh, Sammy. Well, it's going to be a breeze in the future because you will hopefully not impale yourself in the wrong place. Yes. I've done it again since then and it went smoothly. So maybe it's a rite of passage,
Starting point is 00:10:11 but it just was like a very funny start to the whole thing of like, okay, you got this, you're so powerful, you're so strong. And then just immediately completely fucking it up and bleeding everywhere. But that said, I did it. I am powerful and strong. You are. We know. And shout out to everyone doing egg freezing or IVF. It's not easy. It's not for the faint of heart.
Starting point is 00:10:38 There are so many women out there doing that, and it's... I'm very impressed. You know? It's really... It seems really, really, really hard. It's really hard. It's expensive as fuck. Yeah. It really affects your body. There's no guarantees with anything. But I have really enjoyed learning about my body and things that I didn't know it does all the time. So it is empowering in a way, but it's also a little scary and yeah, just proud of everyone out there who's done it or is doing it.
Starting point is 00:11:16 So that was my scary thing this week. I had to talk about it because it was genuinely freaked me out, but I made it. I made it through. And we're going to have so many beautiful little Sammy eggies rolling around in a freezer so soon. Oh my God, and all those beautiful eggs. Yeah, we'll see. Fingers crossed. And another scary thing I did this week was see a scary movie.
Starting point is 00:11:43 This week's movie is Sinners. It came out just, you know, I actually didn't look up the release date, but like a month ago, it's in theaters now, written and directed by Ryan Coogler, starring Michael B. Jordan, Miles Cainton, Hailee Steinfeld, Wanmi Masaku, Jack O'Connell, Li Junli, Jamie Lawson, and Delroy Lindo. And we have a returning guest today that we are very excited to have back on the podcast. He is the host of the podcast's Wait For It and Leaving the Theater, Ronald Young Jr. Welcome back. Hello. I'm glad to be back. Hello. Glad to be back.
Starting point is 00:12:25 Hello. Hello. I only show up for event movies. Hell yeah. This one definitely counts. Yes, it does. The last one I did was Nope, which was also filmed on IMAX cameras. So it feels good to be the IMAX.
Starting point is 00:12:40 IMAX guy. I have been dying to hear about this movie. I have been wanting to leave my house at 10 a.m. to go see it in the theaters. I want to see it. There's sometimes 8 a.m. screenings of things. I've been doing 8 a.m. screening. I'm so excited for you guys to tell me about it today. I really just can't wait.
Starting point is 00:13:01 The funny thing is I've been talking to a lot of scaredy cats. I also am a scaredy cat. That's how I discovered the podcast. I really just, I can't wait. The funny thing is I don't even, I like, I've been talking to a lot of scaredy cats. I also am a scaredy cat. That's how I discovered the podcast. And I mean, I really don't, I think this one is more comparable to Jurassic Park in terms of tension and fear than it is to anything. And I tried to convince all of my friends like, hey, you need to break whatever thought you have
Starting point is 00:13:19 about this being scary and think about it as tense more than it is scary. And you'll be perfectly fine throughout. Yes. Yeah. I completely, that's why I genuinely do think I will see this movie because I am, I am down to see a movie that feels more like almost like a, um, psychological thriller or like something that's like, instead of just the, the feel bad horse. Those are the, those are the ones that I really struggle
Starting point is 00:13:43 with. Um, but I, this one I'm really curious about. And I think because we call it sometimes the Harry Potter type effect, that's this big budget. You see just the effort that went into it, I feel like that takes it to a level that somehow feels less scary. And I don't quite know why that is, but it's so big and shiny I feel like that takes it to a level that somehow feels less scary. I don't quite know why that is, but it's so big and shiny and just feels great to watch.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Yeah. It's the horror movies that are so contained and naturalistic and real and in small spaces. Stop that. I can't handle it. Even you talking about it. I can't handle it. I listened to y'all's review of The Sadness, I think it's called, the Korean one.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Oh, shit. And I remember that, I was like, you know, I thought this podcast would help filter this movie through a lake, it did not. I had to be like, nah, I gotta turn this off. That's a tough one, that's a tough one. I think that Emily and I also were like, can we turn this off?
Starting point is 00:14:40 Please, please make it stop. And I mean, Sammy, God bless you. Like, think this is why this podcast works so well, is because you see the fear in our eyes and you say, no, I shall keep going. We must see it through to the end. But before we get into this movie, Ronald, did anything scary happen to you this week? Not real. Well, this, okay, this is a little scary. I also tell live stories on stage sometimes about my life and things that have happened
Starting point is 00:15:14 to me. And I was a part of the Baltimore Storytelling Festival a couple of weeks ago. Actually, it was one week ago. So it was still this this week, we'll say, but it's the most recent scary thing to happen to me. Oh, but I still fit into the rules. And we are very strict about the timeframe that happened. Oh yes, we'll be fact checking all of this.
Starting point is 00:15:31 I watch y'all start shaking your heads as I start telling this story. So I'm sitting there and I'm supposed to tell, it's my first time doing what's called a one man show. So it's a little bit longer, so maybe like 30 minutes of storytelling from one person. This is already scary to me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Yeah. Well, and I've never done it. Normally the longest story I've told has been seven to 10 minutes and it's over. So I'm very concerned about this. I had never told these stories before. And I'm ready. And there's only two of us going that night.
Starting point is 00:15:58 And for the entire time that I'd known about this, I knew I was going second. I was going second no matter what. I got there. We're going to go second. We're going second. The show starts at this, I knew I was going second. I was going second, no matter what I got there, we're going to go second, go at second. The show starts at eight. I know I'm going second. It is 758, 758. And the organizer walks out and goes, Hey, I don't know if we had a chance to talk about this, but you, you know, you're going first, right? And I was like, like in two minutes first. And he was like, yeah. And I was like, no, I thought we were, I've been saying we were going second this whole time.
Starting point is 00:16:27 I have texts from you saying I'm going second, like all of that. Nobody said anything. He goes, yeah. Can you go first? And I'm like, okay. So I have to go into the hallway like, and like get my head together and be like, oh my God, this is what am I going to do? This is wild.
Starting point is 00:16:40 And, but then I got out there and once I started like like kind of like like whipping myself into a frenzy I got on stage about a time. I finished I realized I was so happy to not have to sit through someone else's story Yeah, and then tell my own cuz I'm like when what's mine was over. I was like, I don't even know what anybody else said I'm I'm a it's smooth sailing from here before like that five minutes in which I thought I had more time Yes, and realize I didn't it's like a procrastinator's nightmare. Always thinking you have a little bit more and then realizing you have none and you're like,
Starting point is 00:17:08 oh no, what do I do now? That is awful. Yeah. Also just the shock of it I feel like would make me black out. Like I would just be like, oh, my brain turned off. Like I'm so, I'm too surprised. Also being like, I don't know if I got a chance
Starting point is 00:17:20 to talk to you about this. It's like, wait, are you, did we talk about this? And I, am I losing my mind or what's happening? The funny thing is I got there, the show started at eight. I got there at like five 15 and I've been talking to the organizer all afternoon slash evening. So it's like, we just missed this one thing. I'm like, what?
Starting point is 00:17:35 So it was, it was fine. All's well that it was well toward a thing. Was this the same place that had like the fantasy ball that went poorly? Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't, but now I want to hear more. Oh, okay. Because I saw on Tik Tok, I don't know how I'm on this Tik Tok algorithm, but there were a lot of videos of the Baltimore storytelling festival. I'm pretty sure I should probably Google it to confirm,
Starting point is 00:17:59 but I think it is. They were supposed to have like a big fantasy ball where it was like supposed to be like Bridgerton-esque, like Romanticie readers, you know, dressing up in like cosplay for that. And it was the like fire festival of like fantasy balls, I guess, because they showed up and it's like a basement with just folding chairs and like no lights and folding tables and like no decorations and no food. And all these people who are just like dressed up in these beautiful outfits coming to a basement with like. I Googled it. It is in Baltimore, but it's not a part of the Baltimore storytelling festival. Oh, what was it? What was it? It was another Baltimore thing.
Starting point is 00:18:35 It was a book festival that took place in Baltimore. And the only reason why I want to make sure we make that distinction because I know the guy who runs the Baltimore storytelling festival. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't want to say that. I started panicking. I'm like, I don't think those things are really. Yeah. Okay. So it's the Baltimore. Wait, this is so funny. Authors speak out against failed US Book Festival shattered badges and silence. Wow. So dramatic. A million lives? Authors arrive to empty rooms, unpaid bills, and no decor.
Starting point is 00:19:08 No decor. Oh my god. Yikes, talk about running out of time. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, okay. Sorry, again, let's make the distinction. No, no apology necessary,
Starting point is 00:19:19 as long as we make the distinction. Baltimore Storytelling Festival, Chef's Kiss, buy tickets for those that you should attend. Yeah. I don't know why people think they can, in this day and age with social media and pictures and internet. Get away with that. Remember, Emily and I went to a Krampus festival. It was a little bit better than that, but the website led us to believe that it was gonna be a lot more of a thing than it was.
Starting point is 00:19:52 It ended up just being kind of like a couple stalls where you can buy like witchy Krampus art. And it was like, okay, tickets to this were pretty expensive. Sam was like, I have all these. That's really funny. Okay, good. Well, I'm glad that went well. And that's really cool. You do live storytelling. I feel like that's we there was a storytelling event at the church a few weeks ago. And it's
Starting point is 00:20:19 like, I just love hearing people do that. Yeah, I think it's really fun. It's one of my favorite things that I do the least of, but now I'm trying to ramp it up. You'll see me in these streets, maybe at the fire festival of Storytelling. I mean, I think it sounds like you need to organize it next year. I'll do what I can. Okay, Sinners, let's talk about the stats.
Starting point is 00:20:42 97% on Rotten Tomatoes, 84% on Metacritic, 8.1 on IMDb. These are incredibly high scores. IMDb's usually in the sixes, Metacritic's always low. So, people love this movie, including us. Yeah. The budget was 90 million.
Starting point is 00:21:03 So far, It has made 264 million but it is still in theaters And did you hear the controversy about that? No, okay so tell us variety the opening weekend of the movie the movie makes something like 67 million dollars something like that and variety posts this headline that's basically like Essentially the headline is something along the lines of, this movie did really, really well, but it's still a long way away from profitability.
Starting point is 00:21:30 And Ben Stiller sees the headline, retweets it on Twitter and says, what kind of headline is this? Good for you, Ben Stiller. Yeah, he's like, what kind of headline? He says it, and then Patrick Schwarzenegger, Arnold Schwarzenegger's son, also says something, he's like, dog, what are you talking says it and then Patrick Schwarzenegger, Arnold Schwarzenegger said also says something He's like dog. What are you talking about? This movie is killing it right now
Starting point is 00:21:47 All anyone's talking about is how good this movie is and y'all had like there were like three or four headlines over that weekend That were like yo this movie's so long from getting profitable Yeah, but but not enough for them to be in the positive be in the green yet That's so crazy. Yes. yes. I think I did. Wait, you know what? I actually did see another one that Thunderbolts reigns on Sinners Parade, overtaking the top spot at the weekend box office.
Starting point is 00:22:12 What is this? Sinners hate. And it's like, wait a minute. It was the third weekend for Sinners, the third weekend. And they're like, oops, a Marvel movie. Oh, this Marvel movie. Yes, it took the top spot. Reigns on Sinners Parade?
Starting point is 00:22:25 Yes. What the hell? Not to mention, they went from week one to week two, I've been deep in this, week one to week two, historic 6% drop in terms of week one box office to week two. Incredible. Week two to week three was a 20% drop,
Starting point is 00:22:39 which is typically a week one drop for most other films. So when it got dethroned by Thunderbolts, it got dethroned while making a pretty ridiculous earnings for a horror movie in this time of year too. Original, yeah, like horror movie. Yeah, completely original, not IP based horror movie. Unless you consider vampires to be IP.
Starting point is 00:22:59 They're out to stop original movies and they're like, look over here at Thunderbolts, Thunderbolts is doing well, don't we all love Marvel? Yeah. I almost feel like we need to have like a re-envisioning of headlines, where headlines can no longer have anything
Starting point is 00:23:13 but straight facts in them. Like, it's like, that's what journalism's supposed to be, we're too far gone from that. But like- Gawker ruined it. Gawker, well, Peter Thiel then ruined Gawker. Everyone was, I mean- I saw that. Peter Thiel, Peter Thiel, a Bruin Gawker everyone was this is on you I don't mind taking up that mantle but it's true like we live in the age of everything's dictated by headlines I mean I I feel like everything I know is from headlines and headlines are so clickbaity and awful
Starting point is 00:23:43 and like I don't know yeah yeah no I didn't from headlines and headlines are so clickbaity and awful and like, I don't know. It makes me mad. It makes me mad. No, I didn't know that and that is very crazy. What publication was that? Deadline, you said? It was Variety. Variety.
Starting point is 00:23:53 Yeah. I'm trying to think, I wonder which one I just read. I think the one I just read was also Variety. It was a couple, and so it became a lot of discourse on, and this was probably the first time, and I would say ever, that I've been this, paying this close attention To the box office of anything not only because it centers
Starting point is 00:24:10 it's a black film Ryan Coogler got a crazy deal all that not just because that but also because There's got to be other directors and writers out there that are saying oh So we can write original movies and they can make money They just got to be good and I'm sure people are looking at this saying, how can we, I mean, I know Jason Blum is probably being like, now, wait a minute. I'm the king of this. I can, like, how do I make this work for me?
Starting point is 00:24:35 You know what I mean? Especially in terms of budgeting and all that stuff. Cause if they can make that much with that high of a budget, what could I do? You know what I mean? So it's, I've never paid this closely attention to a box office before in my life, but it's been actually kind of fun.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Yeah, it is fascinating. And I feel like speaking of headlines and not reading the articles, I did see a headline that was like, Sinner's about to break horror movie record at the box office or something like that. And then I didn't click on the article and I was like, that's cool.
Starting point is 00:25:03 I don't know what record it is, but hell yeah. Yeah. Could be any record. It does feel like it's very life-affirming to have a movie like this do so well. I think that's what feels good about it, is that it's like reminding us that art isn't dead. Maybe, maybe not. Because sometimes it really is, feels good about it is that it's like reminding us that art isn't dead. Yeah. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Yeah. Maybe not. Because sometimes it really is sometimes it feels bleak out there about what's being put in front of us. And oftentimes more money doesn't mean it's better. More money means less story or a boring, weird story. And so for the fact for it to be a combination of the two, like a really good story plus big production value is weirdly rare. It's so rare. So I'm excited again. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:25:53 And I have maybe a cure for your guys' fear of scary movies. Michael B. Jordan was scared of scary movies before he made this movie. He was not a fan, never a horror movie fan and wanted to do this movie to help take the edge off. And he says that he likes them a lot more now. So maybe all you guys need to do is be in a horror movie. Do you hear this? I do hear this. All we have to do is star in a horror movie.
Starting point is 00:26:20 That's it. It'll change everything. All we have to do is be Michael B. Jordan. I can do that. That's it. It'll change everything. All we have to do is be Michael B. Jordan. I can do that. That's something I can do. Easy, easy. I can do that starting tomorrow. Done. Sign me up.
Starting point is 00:26:32 And then something that I read that I just thought was interesting was this is the first female cinematographer to shoot IMAX, Autumn Durald-Arquipa, who shot this movie because it is shot for IMAX. I don't know much about cinematography, but I just was pretty surprised, but not surprised to hear that this was the first female cinematographer to do that, but also awesome. Good for her. Wow. Well, they really took advantage of it in this case. There's a video going around of Ryan Coogler explaining what film they use,
Starting point is 00:27:05 like the difference between the IMAX film versus the 70 millimeter film, because he just loved shooting on film as a result. But there's only a limited amount of people in the country who were able to see it in 70 millimeter IMAX, which is like the intended format. And then the second one, which is as close as you can get is IMAX Laser 4K,
Starting point is 00:27:23 which only again, they, luckily I live in Washington, DC and in Chantilly, they have is IMAX laser 4k, which only again I they luckily I live in Washington, DC And in Chantilly, they have an IMAX laser 4k theater. That's a part of the Air and Space Museum So it's a big old screen up there and the sound is great all of that So I've felt good seeing it like that But it there's people that were lucky enough to see it as it was originally intended And that's I mean shooting on film is is more expensive But it it does create a different experience in the movie theater,
Starting point is 00:27:45 especially for a horror movie. Yeah, it looks incredible. And Ronald, do you have any other trivia or should we hop in? Dive right in. Let's do it, you guys. Okay, let's take a look at this trailer before we do the recap. But I'm excited to watch the trailer with you guys. I have seen the trailer before too.
Starting point is 00:28:07 I think this is a different trailer than the one that I had seen. So maybe you haven't. Maybe I haven't. I've been all over this world. I've seen men die ways I ain't even know it's possible. Hey brother, be careful. I will. With all the things that I seen. I ain't ever seen no demons. No ghosts.
Starting point is 00:29:17 No magic. Till now. Get back inside. Let me in, man! There's some weird shit going on out here! You keep dancing with the devil. You better let me in! You keep dancing with the devil. Oh shit. One day he's gonna follow you home. Hell yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:30:06 I love a good hell yeah. Henley, I don't know if you remember this, but there's one little sound in that trailer that I think is also in Ganja and Hess, and maybe in the Ganja and Hess trailer. I don't know. I had like a... I had an audio... Oh, like deja vu? Yes. Like, I feel like some... That like chanting that's in it. Wow.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Which I feel like there's like similar themes in both movies, and so that would make sense, but... I'm curious if that is actually like pulled from the same source, that audio. We should watch them back to back and see if that was on purpose. Yeah, I mean, I just, I'll do further research. I did not look that up. Ronald, have you ever seen Ganja and Hess? I do. I have not. It's also like a black vampire movie from the 70s.
Starting point is 00:31:05 I don't know if I could be watching a bunch of these. The bars have been set pretty high. It's pretty much like if sinners had very little commercial value and only artistic avant-garde value. Yes, it's very avant-garde. It's great. It explores some of the same themes. It focuses, I think, more heavily on the religion aspect of vampirism as kind of a theme or a metaphor for religion. But I was just reminded of that. It looks like Spike Lee remade it in 2014 and called it the sweet blood of Jesus, which
Starting point is 00:31:45 I really don't want to say. I don't like when he puts the. Yeah, that was like a shot of adrenaline to my body. I just feel like it was just like Michael B. Jordan shooting a automatic weapon at me is very scary. So you were looking at his arms, Henley. That's what I'm hearing. Michael B. Jordan shooting an automatic weapon at me is very scary. So you were looking at his arms, Henley. That's what I'm hearing. Oh, I was looking at his arms pretty much exclusively. They're hard to miss. They're hard to miss. If we could reference his arms throughout any time we get a chance. It gets a little too scary. They are essentially covered
Starting point is 00:32:19 almost the entire film except for like the last maybe thirds. Are you serious? And even then you're going to get very sparingly until that one scene. Ryan Coogler knows what he's doing then. He really knows how to string an audience along, doesn't he? He knows how to make you wait for what you want. And I appreciate that. That's a sign of a real filmmaker. Okay. I'm excited, you guys.
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Starting point is 00:36:15 choirs there at this black church. It's this beautiful white little, like it's a very small church, but it's beautifully built and it looks very airy. And it's obviously in this kind of like community where people are going to church and this is important to them. Sammy walks up to the church, kind of stumbles up there, like not really stumbled, but just kind of walked almost zombie-like up to the church, opens both doors, the choir, the kids are singing, and everyone turns back and looks at Sammy. And what we find out is his mother
Starting point is 00:36:47 stands up and yells, Sammy, which is the first time we hear his name. Great name. Yeah, great. Yeah, one of the, justice for all Sammies. We love Sammy. This is a Sammy Positive podcast. So, the pastor, it turns out, is his father, and he says, as everyone's looking at him in shock with his tattered and torn clothes, he tells Sammy to come to the front of the church. He sends this kid singing this little line of mine back to their seats. And as Sammy begins to walk to the front of the church, and this is where the movie being
Starting point is 00:37:20 filmed on film is important, there's these little moments that start flashing back to what Sammy experienced. Oh, wow. So it's just one frame. So you'll see frame looks like a figure with like light eyes, just dark. You could see it. And it's a character we'll get to know later.
Starting point is 00:37:37 And as he's walking step by step, and you can't really time when it's gonna happen. That's the thing, which makes it- Yeah, how did you do with this, Ronald? Cause this got me so fucking good. I... It's a big jump scare. Big jump scare. Sammy, I've seen it three times. And even on the third time, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:37:52 I'm gonna be ready, I'm gonna be ready. Every time, I could not get it. It really gets you right off the bat. Yeah. Actually, for everyone who's, like, nervous to watch this to be honest This is the scariest thing that happens at the first hour of the film Yes, so if you can make it through this you are your home free So jump scares are happening and flashing back to what has just occurred to him in the past 24 hours
Starting point is 00:38:19 So then he walks up to the front and by the time he gets up to the front of the church He's talking to his father. Well, his father is doing all the talking Sam. He's not talking but he's up to the front and by the time he gets up to the front of the church, he's talking to his father. Well, his father's doing all the talking, Sammy's not talking, but he's clutching the guitar, the, what is that part of the guitar? The neck of the guitar. Thank you. I would have been like the guitar stick. He's clutching the neck of the guitar, which is broken off. He's clutching that with all of his might. And essentially, his father says to him, you got to give up music and return to the Lord. What are you going to do? Well, and he's clutching, clutching, clutching at the guitar. The neck, the guitar neck.
Starting point is 00:38:56 He's clutching the guitar neck. How did I forget that quickly? And then it kind of flashes back before we see him make a decision. It flashes back to the day before. So this is Sunday that this has happened, Sunday morning during church time, which is great because as a guy grew up in church, I was like, this is very familiar. So, but it flashes back to Saturday morning. Saturday morning, we see Sammy, he's in this big cotton field and he's there early because he's a sharecropper. Yeah, we should say we're in 1932 Mississippi. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:39:31 So he's a sharecropper and he's picking cotton, picking cotton. And all of a sudden while he's picking cotton, you see that he's been out there for a while and his bag is full. And then his colleagues come out and they start picking cotton as he's about to leave. So one of them says to him, "'Hey Sammy, where are you playing tonight? "'I'm trying to figure out.'" And he goes, he's very cagey and smirky
Starting point is 00:39:51 and is like, I'll talk to you later and kind of leaves, doesn't tell her where he's gonna play. So obviously they know that Sammy plays the guitar and is very good. He has this reputation in a small little town. He goes home, as he goes home, his mother is washing clothes outside of their house, and he walks up,
Starting point is 00:40:05 he gives her a kiss, and there's this playful moment where he splashes some water on her and on himself. I really like this moment. It's very sweet. Yeah, so they splash water on each other, she laughs. He goes inside and wakes up all his little brothers and sisters and, hey, time to get up. What y'all doing out here? And you could tell he's in a good mood. It's like the setting of this, you could tell he is looking forward to something good about to happen. So he opens the back door, he looks out to the field, the sun is on his face, it's filled
Starting point is 00:40:30 with promise, and you're very, very excited. So then it cuts from that to we see, and it's kind of like the movie is kind of like driving a little bit. It's like something's about to happen. Like it's moving along that way. So So it's like you feel good watching this It does not feel like a horror movie at all during this part that I'm saying it feels just like a like a something Oh, they're building towards something where they're building towards. Okay, so then it cuts to Michael B Jordan as smoke now I'm gonna make this distinction and you don't have to remember it, but it cuts to Smoke who was wearing blue. He has a blue hat and like a blue like newspaper hat on, like one of those old like paperboy
Starting point is 00:41:11 hats and he has a blue suit. It looks very serious and he's just standing in a car and the shot is lined up so that you just see him and then it kind of turns to this wide shot and you see Stack, his twin brother standing next to him who has this red wide brim hat. He's wearing a complete red outfit. So smoke is wearing blue at stack is wearing red and stack is rolling up a cigarette. So he rolls up the cigarette and he lights it and then they're just passing the cigarette
Starting point is 00:41:39 back and forth. Just like smoking the cigarette together. The reason why I think this was done was so that we could get over the fact that Michael B. Jordan was playing two parts very quickly. So we can go, ooh, wow. Yeah. Like, how did they manage to do that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:56 So, and you see them standing there and they're obviously waiting on something. Stack is holding a bag, Smoke is standing there with a very serious look on his face. And over the course of the next few scenes, we start to learn that Smoke is very serious. He's very like, we have to do this. We have to get this done. We can't be playing around. And Stack is more like, yeah, we'll do it, man. Don't worry.
Starting point is 00:42:13 We'll get it done, man. We got this. You know, he's more fun. So they're standing there expecting something. And all of a sudden they see this guy drive up. It's a white guy. Just imagine what a southern white guy looks like 1932. 1932 Mississippi. Yep. Not good. Wait, imagine a boss hog derivative and that immediately
Starting point is 00:42:34 dislike this whoever this is. So he takes them, they're standing in front of this old sawmill. He takes them inside the sawmill and obviously he's trying to sell them the sawmill. They're interested in buying it. So they're looking around at the sawmill and they're kind of looking at the ground and they said, what was on these floors? And the guy just kind of spits on the floor in response. It's like tobacco, like the chew.
Starting point is 00:42:59 He's like doing those nasty big like brown spits. So nasty. And it sounds terrible too. Yeah. So he spits on the floor and they kind of look at them and they're like, yuck. But he's there like, Hey, we want to buy it. And then some question. And same, you can help me out. There's some question about about what they're planning to do with this place or what their next step is. And their response is like,
Starting point is 00:43:23 basically it's none of your business. Yeah, he calls them boys. Yes, they are offended. They kind of show their he first of all, the white guy walks in like very clearly displaying a gun in his waistband. And when he calls them boys, they kind of show that they have guns as well and a knife and they're like, they say something like, there's no boys here, we're men trying to do a deal. With grown men money. With grown men money. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:50 And they hand them a suitcase and are basically like, we'll buy it on the condition that we don't see you again. This is the last money you'll ever be seeing of us. And it's clear that they're like paying a lot of money. He's like, looks in the suitcase like, wow. And they're like, yeah, and we don't ever want to see you again. And if we do, we'll see you or any of your clan buddies,
Starting point is 00:44:08 like we'll kill you on sight. And he like says something like, the clan's not. He said the clan doesn't exist anymore. They don't exist anymore. Yeah. It's like, uh-huh. And the thing is smoke says all this, which is again, we know that smoke is the serious one.
Starting point is 00:44:22 So he's like, we threads them. He doesn't just threaten them. It's like, if I see all again, I'm going to murder all of you. And it's like that we know that smoke is the serious one. So he's like we threads them. He doesn't just threaten it It's like if I see all again, I'm gonna murder all of you and it's like that we leave that seed be like, alright Well cool fine Smoke has seen some shit and he's ready to defend exactly Yeah, so it goes back to Sammy who? By now was in his house and before he had stepped aside to have the sun on his face, he reached underneath his bed, was looking for something and didn't
Starting point is 00:44:51 quite find it. What was it? It turns out it was his guitar. And he goes to church and realized that his father had taken his guitar and brought it to church with him. So when Sammy shows up at the church looking for his guitar, his father says, I want you to help me out with my sermon. And he says, okay. And so he goes, read that scripture. And he begins to read the scripture, which I, as a church person, I should have the scripture on me,
Starting point is 00:45:14 but I can tell you what the scripture basically said. And it's basically talking about the idea of turning away from sin and not being ensnared in the trap of the devil. But then, Sammy closes the Bible and continues reciting the scripture and says, but if you are caught in sin, God will find a way to pull you out of it, essentially, which I'm like, first of all, that was a great choice. Again, church guy life long. I love a good use of scripture.
Starting point is 00:45:39 I hate when people just like take like the Samuel Jackson Ezekiel, the fires of darkness and like run with that. Like I love when they put some real context in there. So there's obviously, this is setting up the friction that happens later, which is that Sammy says to his father, I wanna get away from this for all day. I wanna go play the blues with my friends. And he's like, you wanna play the blues
Starting point is 00:46:01 for those drunkards and highlights and those people spending their money. And he's like, yes, yes, that's what I want to do. I don't want to be here. So he has this exchange with his father. And at that moment, the same car that he showed up in shows up and it's obvious it's the twins. It's Smoke and Stack.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Smoke is driving, Stack is riding shotgun. And they're like, hey, come on little cousin, we getting out of here. So it turns out that the Smoke-Stacks twins, as we learned that they are, are related to Sammy. Okay. They are cousins. So Sammy gets in the car and they drive off and it's very much anyone who's had a
Starting point is 00:46:31 little cousin or a little brother. It's that interaction where we're older now. Like, so obviously we were older than you and maybe we got into trouble, but now we're at a place where we're kind of working together in cahoots. We understand our relationship more. It's more solid. And even though they're a little bit more world traveled than him, throughout the course of this conversation,
Starting point is 00:46:50 we learned that the smokestack twins were recently in Chicago and they have a plan for what they're about to do tonight. And it turns out that they want to open a juke joint where that sawmill is. We learn all this as they're driving up, talking to their cousin and they drive up to a truck that they've hidden off the side of the road. So in a very cool scene, they walk up to the truck to start pulling stuff and or unloading things off the truck. And when
Starting point is 00:47:15 they pull something off, another big jump scare, there's a rattlesnake right there. And it's like, and the sound is crazy. Like that thing I was like slithering out of my chair. I will say though that these jump scares, if, if I had to choose are my favorite kind of jump scares where they actually come out of nowhere and truly just because the thing I usually hate about jump scares is you can tell that they're coming and there's a long buildup of like, when's it going to happen? When's it gonna happen? And you're like filled with dread.
Starting point is 00:47:47 And so I actually really appreciate when a jump scare fully catches you off guard and just there's no preventing being scared by it because then it feels like it's, you know, it's just like- That's part of life. That's just life, man. Yeah, it's just a little snap and it's over. It's like, oh!
Starting point is 00:48:02 It's just how it is. Yeah. So there's a snake there and it's over. It's like, oh. Just how it is. Yeah. So there's a snake there and it's a very cool scene. Sammy is taken aback by it and Smoke is looking at it, just staring at the snake and he turns the stack and stack, no look, throws him a knife. Smoke catches it, stabs the snake and throws it on the ground where it rattles to death. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Amazing. Incredible. More snake like. Incredible. Reflexes. Snake like reflexes faster than a snake. Mongoose like reflexes. So they kill the snake and in that moment, so it's obvious that Smoke is very cautious
Starting point is 00:48:43 about opening this place. And they're a little bit late because the guy that they bought the place from showed up late. So it put them behind schedule. So smoke says the stack, the only way we're going to smoke is like, I think we should just open next weekend. And stacks like, no, we're opening tonight. Like, come on, man, we're going to get out there and open this thing tonight. And smokes like the only way we're going to be able to do this is if we split up. So they say, yes, okay, we'll split up. So then they dap each other up in a moment that I really love, and he says, I love you.
Starting point is 00:49:10 And the brother, and he says back to him, I love you too. And he says, be careful out there. And he goes, I will. And the way he says I will just always like really, like just plucks my heart a little bit. I really love this movie. I'm just like, I'm to the point where I'm loving like little stupid parts
Starting point is 00:49:25 of the movie that have nothing to do with the rest of the plot. Yeah. But I'm like, I'm talking about a man hugging himself. Sammy. But even you just saying I will like it's like when your brain gets like a little tickle, it just like feels good. It just like, it's like a nice little,
Starting point is 00:49:41 oh there's something I know exactly what you're talking about. So I lost my mom last year and I can't stop talking about it, but I lost my mom last year. And there was this thing she used to say, she'd always be like, hey, do what's right. And I remember one time we said, okay, and we'd run off and she said, hey, when I tell y'all to do what's right, I need you to respond to me, mom, I will do what's right. That way I know y'all hear me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:03 So she, we would do that or then she would say like, hey, be careful out there. And we'd say, well, be careful. So that's what it felt like with that moment. There's a bit of love here. Hey, man, I'm not going to be there to look out for you. Can you please look out for yourself the way that I would look out for you? And it's like, okay, I will.
Starting point is 00:50:19 So. It is a moment that just shows that they truly have a loving relationship and that they really love and care about each other. It is a moment that just shows that they truly have like a loving relationship and that they really love and care about each other. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:31 So at this point they split and they part ways. We follow smoke for a while. Smoke shows up to the basically the downtown area of town as downtown as you could get. It's one main street. Imagine a Western town. It looks exactly like that. There's horses and people. And he parks his truck and he gets out of the truck and he sees a little girl sitting
Starting point is 00:50:50 on the corner. And he goes, hey, have you heard about the smokestack twins? And she was like, yeah. And this is when we start to learn that the smokestack twins have a reputation. Again, they were in Chicago and we know that they've come back from Chicago. He goes, have you heard about the smokestack twins? And she goes, yeah. And he goes, well, I'm smoke. And she's scared. And he goes, no, no, I'm not, I'm not scary. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:51:08 I'm trying to put some money in your pocket. Can you do me a favor? And she says, sure. And he goes, do you want to get into this? I need you to watch this truck. And if anybody comes up, I need you to lay on the horn. Okay. Can you do that for me? She's like, yeah. He's like, okay, I'll give you 10 cents a minute for this, uh, while you do this. And she goes, yes. And he goes, no, no. When we're talking money, money is always a conversation. So that's not gonna be good enough. How much do you think we should do? She goes, she says 50 cent.
Starting point is 00:51:33 He's like 20 cents. That's the best I can do. So he gave her a 100% raise and taught her how to negotiate. Teaching people how to negotiate. Again, a little part of the movie where I'm just like, oh, this is so like, I love this. So of course she gets into the car and he walks off into a general store that's owned by Bo Chow,
Starting point is 00:51:54 who is, by Bo Chow. So he walks in there and he sees Lisa Chow, which is a young girl standing at a register and these black folks all milling around buying things. And he says, hey, is your dad around here? And then she goes, Dad, and Bo child walks out. Bo is about smoke's age. They dab each other up.
Starting point is 00:52:12 There's like some camaraderie between them. He says, Hey, man, I'm having this juke joint tonight. I need y'all I need some catfish. And does your wife still paint signs? I needed to help us out. And he says, Yeah, but you'd have to ask her. And he says, Okay, and then he sends his daughter across the street to get their mom in a really cool scene
Starting point is 00:52:28 because the camera stays behind Lisa the whole time. And you might not notice this, but she walks out of the one general store where all the black folks are. And people, I had to tell people this later. I was like, that's because they were segregated. And walks across the street. And again, it's focused on her and not around her, but you have to look around
Starting point is 00:52:45 her to see that in this store, it's all white folks, but the child family owns both general stores. So you walk in and Lisa takes over. She's like, dad wants you. And so Lisa takes over for her mother, Grace, who then comes back across the street, the camera then focuses on her walking back across the street where she has some camaraderie with smoke. I was just going to say that this is a like historically accurate, I guess there was a
Starting point is 00:53:10 Chinese population in the Mississippi Delta that would own grocery stores and exactly like this, like sell to both white people and black people. And I read something about Ryan Coogler like researching and like feeling like that was important to include. Yeah, I love that because I think people thought they were shoehorning Chinese folks into this. Like, that's how I know people like the DOE is failing us because how do people that like, there was there was Chinese folks building the railroads, there were Chinese folks here for a very long time. But one thing to note is as he walks in to talk to Bo,
Starting point is 00:53:46 before he goes to get Lisa, somebody starts laying on the horn. The little girl starts laying on the horn and he walks out there and there's these two, kind of like, there are two guys that obviously, imagine this generation's version of stoners, if you will, but they were obviously alcoholics and they were sitting there and
Starting point is 00:54:05 they're trying to rob his truck and he shoots one of them in the leg. Oh damn. In a very funny scene, there's an exchange that happens and says, hey man, where Smoke realizes who it is. It's some guy, some guy that they know. It isn't important that the audience knows. It's important that we know that he has a relationship with this guy. And he's like, oh, Freddy, like whatever his name is, he goes, Oh man.
Starting point is 00:54:26 He's like, how you been? And he goes, I was doing better before you shot me. Yeah, that sounds right. There's an exchange that happens to be doing him and the, uh, him and the two guys that robbed the car. They're like, Oh my God, we didn't know it was your truck. Sorry. And the other guy standing there at smoke looks at it for a second and then shoots him in the leg and he goes, why would you shoot me? He says, well, I can't have y'all going around saying we almost stole from smoke.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Like with nothing to show for it. And he says, okay. So when he walks back in, he hands Bo extra money to take care of these guys, to make sure they get patched up. But then as grace is coming back from across the street during this whole long scene, she sees, you can still hear them yelling outside, which it's very funny. They're like yelling things about being shot. And Grace is like, all right, you're already causing trouble. I don't need this.
Starting point is 00:55:12 So throughout this conversation, he negotiates they're going to paint the signs at the juke joint. They're going to bring a bunch of catfish. They're going to be a bunch of supplies. So they're going to have food and drink at the juke joint. We're happy with that. And he also negotiates this and gets a little set of flowers from the general store as well Then he's like, I'm gonna take those two
Starting point is 00:55:29 So then we cut to stack and Sammy who have arrived at a at a train station so they walk in to the train station they're kind of chit-chatting back and forth and and During the time that we see Sammy with stack Sammy is playing his his guitar and he's like and Stack is really enjoying the way he's playing. He's like, wow, you're really good. He starts singing. We realize how good of a singer Sammy is. His voice is incredible. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:55:54 It's ridiculous. So they're playing and they're playing as they go up. So that's what happens when they stop playing and they park. They go to the train station and they walk in. Sammy has his guitar on his back and Stack obviously has a mission. So he walks up and he walks up to this guy, Delta Slim. He walks up to a guy, Delta Slim,
Starting point is 00:56:14 who was playing the harmonica at the train station and it's Delroy Lindo. And he's like sitting there and he's playing his little harmonica and Stack says, "'Hey man, why don't you come play the piano for us at the juke joint tonight?' And an exchange between the two of them basically is a Delta slip being like, there's no guarantee that your juke joints going to be there. Uh, so I, but this is a regular gig that I have, so I'm sorry we have a conflict. And essentially,
Starting point is 00:56:37 uh, it through another funny scene, uh, stack pulls out an Italian beer that he brought Irish beer, Irish beer. Yeah, you're right. Irish beer, Italian wine. From Chicago. Yeah. So he brings out an Irish beer and Delroy, I mean Delta is like really excited about this for some reason. And through some clever negotiation, he gives him a lot of money and says you could have all the beer you could drink.
Starting point is 00:56:58 And it's a funny cut because he goes, are you sure you want to do that? And as he's handing him the beer, it cuts to him then happily playing his harmonica with Sammy playing the guitar next to him. Then stack gets up on a podium and says, Hey y'all, come on down tonight. We got this juke joint. It's going to be crazy. Come on down. While this is happening, two things happen. Sammy notices a young black woman looking at him. And so he goes up and like, yo shorty, what's good? You trying to do that? Looking at him and so he goes up my yo shorty was good. You trying to do that's that one actually He spits game to her a little bit say hey you want to come and she's obviously down for it Even though she's married which is wild in 1932 She's like, yeah, so there's like something going on between the two of them. Her name is Perline
Starting point is 00:57:39 So there's something going between the two of them but then he also notices that there is a white passing woman that is looking at Stack. And Sammy starts to say, hey, there's this white lady looking at you. He's like, are you sure she's white? And he goes, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm sure. He goes, okay.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Walks up as Hailey Steinfeld, who is Mary. Mary has some history with Stack and says something very, very graphically to him sexually Because she basically says you said you were leaving town and instead you blank blank blank blank Like I can't remember it and I don't want to butcher it I like you fucked me and and and then left in the middle of the night or without saying a word. Clearly they have a history and he dipped out and went to Chicago and it didn't end things well with her and she's very mad.
Starting point is 00:58:36 Yeah, she's heated about it. And so he's like, I don't want to talk to you anyway. And rushes through the interaction and leaves. So him and Sammy leave, they're driving down the road a little bit with Delta Slim and with Sammy. And we learned about Delta Slim was one, he used to be in prison. We learned that he went to prison because he used to play
Starting point is 00:58:55 these gigs for these white folks. And essentially one of them got lynched because he had too much money essentially from playing gigs for white folks. So they framed him and said that he stole the money from other white folks and he got lynched at he had too much money, essentially, from playing gigs for white folks. So they framed him and said that he stole the money from other white folks and he got lynched at a train station. And Delta Slim is obviously having some trauma for this,
Starting point is 00:59:12 from this, and he starts, he does this thing where he starts singing, he like starts going, mm, like after he tells his story, which I thought was really good because it's like, it really was showing where the birth of his blues is really coming from. It's coming from this lived experience, which is something that the movie keeps returning to
Starting point is 00:59:29 over and over again. Also, I just realized I forgot something at the very top of the movie that I should have said first. Oh, that's okay. We can say it here. Yeah, there is a little animation at the beginning of the movie that tells us that some music is so, so good, movie that tells us that some music is so, so good, so pure, so powerful that it can pierce the veil between the past and the present and the future. It shows like the Irish music
Starting point is 00:59:57 that did this, it shows Native American music and blues or African music. And it's like saying that this is can be really healing. Or it can be healing, but it also can attract evil. It's just this like very powerful force. And I agree, I loved this part in the movie, where he start, because he starts kind of moaning first, Delta Slim does as he's recalling the story where he's like, hmm, hmm, hmm. And it like becomes a song. And there is this kind of conversation, I think that happens here, where
Starting point is 01:00:40 they talk about religion, and music and he says something like That's later. Okay, okay. That's later. No, no, I know exactly what you're talking about. That's yeah. Put a pin in that. We'll come back to that. No, that's a good scene. That's yes. Yeah, I do. I love that one. Yeah.
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Starting point is 01:02:27 So basically we cut to smoke again, smoke is now showing up to this house and it's like this little shack, but outside the shack you could see there's a little like what looks like a little plot, a grave plot. It's very small. You could tell it was like an infant child and he lays the flowers that he got from the general store on there and he goes, Papa's here.
Starting point is 01:02:45 And as he says that, a woman walks out of the back of the little shack and it's Woonmi Masaku as Annie, who is Smoke's former partner. And through the conversation between them, which is very hot and very loving, and also very there's tension, there's all I don't know if y'all have ever had a conversation with someone that you are no longer with but still love like all of that pretext is in that gumbo it is spicy like I mean we just like there's there's a conversation where he's yeah she's like what were y'all doing in in Chicago and there's a conversation about him trying to give her money
Starting point is 01:03:25 and she's like, I don't want none of your blood money. And then she talks about the fact that she prayed for him and she was like, you know, like really looking out for him and the camera does this thing where it like focuses on her face and everything around her gets blurry because she's talking about how hard she like prayed
Starting point is 01:03:41 every day and was, because she does a hoodoo. So it's like, and she's talking about like all of the practice in which she did to keep him safe And then he responds how come none of that saved our child and so she softens a little bit and then she touches his chest And she had he has around his chest this bag. I forgot what it's called. I did as well Yeah, it's like a it's basically in hoodoo. It's a bag that's meant to protect you from evil spirits So she takes it off of his neck and refreshes it and puts it back on and then Henley What proceeds next is one of the most hottest? So they're bonding over their lost child and
Starting point is 01:04:23 Essentially they start like, kind of like looking at each other a little bit and she does this thing where she says in Creole to him, I believe that your body hasn't forgotten me. Oh no. Oh my God. Yeah, it was, I mean, oh yes. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:04:38 Sex ensues and then we cut back to stack, riding with Delta Slim and with Sammy and they stop at this field to pick up Cornbread who is picking cotton in the field. They're like, hey, we need you to come with us. Cornbread's a person. Yes. Cornbread. You're right.
Starting point is 01:04:54 It's not Cornbread. Cornbread the man who is this big guy. He's played by Omar Miller. You've seen him in Ballers and plenty of other things. Yep. Eight Mile. Oh yeah. But yeah, so he seen him, and Ballers and plenty of other things, 8 Mile. But yeah, so he's standing there and there's this very funny exchange that happens
Starting point is 01:05:09 between Stack Cornbread and Cornbread's wife, in which Cornbread's wife says, "'Nah, you're definitely going to take that job "'so you can make some money.'" So they get Cornbread to come with them in order to work the door. So he's going to be the bouncer, they've got the music, they've got the supplies,
Starting point is 01:05:24 and the whole reason why Smoke went to go see Annie is because he wanted Annie to cook. So Annie was going to cook. The chows are bringing the supplies. And this whole group is all assembled and they're all headed towards the juke jump. This is incredible. Can I just say, this is an incredible take on assembling the team. This is one of my favorite things in movies. I just love when a team is assembled. No matter what, it just scratches an itch that you want. And I don't care how many times I've seen it, I want to see it again.
Starting point is 01:05:53 And to see it done in a new way is always fun and in an unexpected way. And the fact that they're assembling a team for a club, to start a club, is amazing. I love this. Usually it's like, we're going to do a heist. We're going to do something. We're like superheroes. We're blah, blah, blah. But this is, I mean, I'm really having a good time. I've seen this movie twice. I saw it again last night. And the first time I will say
Starting point is 01:06:19 that I found the assembling the team to go on for, I thought, too long. It's like I was getting a little like, where are we going to get there? When are we going to get there? But then in watching it a second time, I think I just appreciate, because it makes you really care about these characters. That's not just like, hey, one line and we meet you and okay, on to the next person. It's like each person that's introduced really gets like a full introduction. And so it feels like we really know them for the second half of the movie, which I do appreciate.
Starting point is 01:06:50 I came around on it. Yeah, I think for me, the only reason why I get impatient is because I know what's going to happen. But even being able to watch the little scenes and listening to the stuff they're saying, there's so much foreshadowing happening. Somebody little things that all listening to the stuff they're saying. There's so much foreshadowing happening. So many little things that allude to like, what's about to happen to them personally next, which is just very interesting to watch. So at this point, you want to talk about meeting Remic? Remic, yes.
Starting point is 01:07:16 I think it happens after we get a shot of them all in the car together, headed to the juke joint. And I think they're playing some blues, which I feel like I only noticed a second time that it like goes from playing the all in the car together headed to the juke joint. And I think they're playing some blues, which I feel like I only noticed the second time that it like goes from playing the blues in the car to a shot of a man seemingly falling from the sky into this open plains like farm area with one house in front of him and he's stumbling and he's like sizzling and steaming in the in the hot sun and runs to this house, bangs on the door. He's kind of frantic. We see his skin is looking burned and because we know this is a vampire movie, we're like, mmm, a little suspicious of this
Starting point is 01:08:04 guy. It's just a vampire movie where like, a little suspicious of this guy seems to be burning up in the sun pretty easily. But he runs to this front door of this house, bangs on the door, two white people open it, guns pointed at him immediately. And he's begging them, he's saying, please, please, you got to help me, you got to help me. I'm running from Choctaw. They say there are no Choctaw around here.
Starting point is 01:08:26 Yeah. And they don't say it nicely. They don't say it nicely. They use a slur. And he says, you got to believe me, you got to believe me. And he buys little Klan outfits in their house. And so I think he kind of does some calculations here where he's like, okay, we can be like racist to the Native Americans together and that'll ingratiate me to them. And so he's like, yeah, you got to help me like they're gonna kill me, please. And so they eventually let him in and he is kind of like, please let me in, please let
Starting point is 01:09:02 me in. Another common vampire rule is needing to be invited in, which does seem to apply here as well. And eventually they let him in. I don't remember if there's like some specific thing that finally convinces them, but I think it's just, yeah. Yeah. I think that, I mean, like, no, that I mean like no gold. He offers him gold. He offers him. Yeah He says like I have gold basically and they let him in So they go in there and you we cut out to outside the house again And we see these chakta right up and they're riding up. They got guns. There's like there's like at least eight of them
Starting point is 01:09:39 They're on a car. They're on horses. They're like we we ready. So they come with guns and dude, one of the guys, Chayton knocks on the door and Joan answers the door. We had just seen her, Joan answers the door with the gun and he's basically like, hey, I know you got this guy in there with you, don't keep him in there, he's not what you think he is. And they're like, nah, we don't, yeah, we shut up. Whatever, you're not gonna do that, I don't care. Like their racism won't let them be safe. So.
Starting point is 01:10:09 And then one of the other natives was like, Hey yo, the sun's going down. And they were like, yeah, we out of here. So the natives saddle up and they ride off and you do not see them for the rest of the movie. They were like, really? That's it. That's all we got. They were like, Oh, the sun's going down? I'll see y'all later. Good luck. And that's what he said to him. I think he said, good luck.
Starting point is 01:10:28 He might've said, good luck or may God be with you. Yeah, he says like, may God watch over you. Yeah, something like that. I'm gonna need a spinoff that's just about the Choctaw. I would not be surprised. I would not be surprised if that's in the works. I would not be surprised. So Joan then turns around and walks into her house
Starting point is 01:10:44 and she's like, Burt, Burt, where are you, Burt? And she walks into a back room, opens it, and there is Remick, the original guy who had the burns on him that offered them the goal, and his eyes are now like white now or red. They're a color, I think they're red. They're glowing in an unnatural way, I think red, yeah. Correct, and he has blood all over the bottom half of his face
Starting point is 01:11:06 and he goes, and she's like upset and her husband is laying face down on the floor and he goes, oh, he's just taking a nap. And then obviously he comes to as a vampire and they turn towards her and she lets out this blood curdling scream and it fades away and it fades to night because now the natives have said it was night
Starting point is 01:11:26 and it goes back to the juke joint where we see that they're rigging up electricity to get started. So we don't see them set up, we just see them now that they've done everything to set up and the juke joint is about to open. So people are showing up, they're walking into the juke joint and Smoke and stack are there and
Starting point is 01:11:45 everyone's in their places. Delta Slim is playing the piano and it's kind of like going. People are coming in, they're excited to be there and a couple of things happen. First is somebody goes up to the to the bar and tries to order drinks using wooden nickels from the plantation, which is like how plantations kept sharecroppers underpaid while also not allowing them to like spread their money anywhere else, it's wild. So, but they used it, but it also became like a background currency for folks who wanted to amass wealth, even though you couldn't convert it to dollars.
Starting point is 01:12:15 So they're using wooden nickels at the bar and smoke is immediately like, no, absolutely not. We gotta take real money. And they go in the back and Stacks like, come on man, this is harder money for these guys. You know what I'm saying? Like what you talking about? You gotta let them use their money.
Starting point is 01:12:30 And Annie's like, yeah, what do you expect Smoke? Like this is what's gonna happen. Like what are you talking about? So this becomes like a side conflict that it's like, are we gonna make enough money? Because if we don't, then we're gonna have problems later alluding. And it's beginning to allude more to what exactly happened that y'all left Chicago and came back because y'all were working for
Starting point is 01:12:49 Al Capone or Al Capone adjacent, which comes up. So it keeps coming out a little bit more. So they're like, what exactly is going on? Yeah. There's like references to it. Like, what were you guys doing up there? Every time it came up, I was like, do I want to see that movie? Yeah, that's interesting too. Yeah. I'm like, there's two other spinoffs here that I'm like, I'm very Expanded universe. Yeah, it would have to be all prequels and I'm fine with that Yeah, so that happens and then a little by little all the people that we've met that weren't a part of the crew come in So then all of a sudden, uhline shows up. Sammy sees Perline.
Starting point is 01:13:25 He's very happy to see her. There's some like flirty exchange happening between them until he realizes that, uh-oh, Mary's here. And Mary then shows up and Sammy walks up to Mary and is like, hey, you can't be here. That's why. And it's funny because Mary walks up and she's about to walk in and Cornbread's like,
Starting point is 01:13:43 oh, I'm sorry, ma'am, you in the wrong place. And she goes, corporate, what you talking about? Let me in. He goes, Oh, Mary. So this kind of introduces the fact that everybody all this is a largely black all black space and everybody there knows and like bangs with Mary. They all like Mary. So Mary walks in and it's because we don't really know what's going on with Mary yet, until Sammy walks up to her and says, hey, I'm with the twins, I think you got to leave, you shouldn't be here. And she goes, boy, if you don't get out of my face,
Starting point is 01:14:12 like, what are you talking to me like that for? And he keeps talking and she's like, wait a minute, Sammy? Little Sammy? She's like, you old enough to drink? He's like, yeah, she's like, I'm buying you a drink. So she takes him to the bar, buys him a drink, and through their conversation, we realize that Mary is an octoroon, meaning that she's like, I'm buying you a drink. So she takes him to the bar, buys him a drink, and through their conversation, we realized that Mary is an octoroon, meaning that she's one eighth black.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Her grandfather was half blue, her grandfather was black, somebody was black. Yeah, something like that. Someone was black. One of my favorite things to say, somebody was black. Somebody was definitely black. So yeah, so then we realized that's why she's like, has this kind of like kinship and relationship going on with them. So then this is where it like it kind of there's several other little stories happening that
Starting point is 01:14:52 all begin to simmer. So at some point cornbread threatened someone who comes to the door because they owe him $2, which is like just a funny scene to see more of who cornbread is. And then we marry and stack start talking to each other and we get more of their history. Stack left because he felt like he didn't want to drag her down. We now know that Mary is now married to a white person with land, but she still loves Stack and she felt like Stack took the choice away from her to really be able to choose him. And that's why she's in this maybe more unfulfilling relationship. And so those little stories are starting to seep out
Starting point is 01:15:27 and we're kind of getting at critical mass of the party. So all of that's happening. And then Delta Slim wraps up a song, wraps up a song and he goes, hey, I heard we got somebody in here that plays blues real, real good, real, real good. And they're like, oh yeah, we know it's Sammy. He goes, why don't you come up here
Starting point is 01:15:43 and play us a little song. Sammy comes up to the front and he's about to start playing. And before he does, Delta Slim says, nah, wait, tell them who you are and where you're from. He goes, I'm Sammy Moore. They call me Preacher Boy. I'm a sharecropper. It's a very cute little scene.
Starting point is 01:15:59 So he starts playing and he starts playing, I lied to you, I think it's the name of the song. And he starts, it's a blues song. And the lyrics are basically how he's like, he loves the blues, but his father wants him to love the church. And it just has a good hook to it and it's real good. And it's like, you know, people are dancing a little bit and it's like real good. And he's playing it, his voice is great. And then he sings this one note where he says, take me. And it goes up. And as the note goes up, there's another voiceover that's the exact same voiceover we heard at the beginning of the movie,
Starting point is 01:16:31 where it says some people have the power, like music have the power to weaken the veil between the worlds from the past, and they go from the past, and then it pauses, and then it says, and the future, and while he's playing the blues song, getting goosebumps saying this, while he's playing the blues song, I'm getting goosebumps saying this, while he's playing the blues song,
Starting point is 01:16:46 it cuts to a guy playing rock guitar. Sorry, you're absolutely right. The camera pans to a guy playing a rock guitar, like standing next to him playing a rock guitar. And he looks like the Zulu Nation, like almost like the George, I'm forgetting that guy's name. Anyway, he looks like the guysulu Nation, like almost like the George, I'm forgetting that guy's name. Anyway, he looks like the guys from the seventies,
Starting point is 01:17:07 like with the futuristic outfit playing like the guitar. And so then it pans to him, then it pans up on stage and you see a DJ up there, like turning turntables while people are still, Sammy's still playing the blues. Right? So it goes to a DJ and it's still playing that. Then it turns and then you start, you see African dancers dancing and playing the drums.
Starting point is 01:17:28 Like that's, they're like dancing among him while he's playing like the other stuff. So then it pans into the kitchen and you see, and you hear different music that's playing underneath the blues music. And there's a bunch of women twerking. And like the women who were cooking in the kitchen are like dancing like next to the people that are twerking then it goes out and you see
Starting point is 01:17:46 some people crip walking and they're like like they're like crip walking but the blues music is still going and so it like turns the corner again and then you see Grace she wants to dance she's Asian so you see Grace start dancing and when she starts dancing with a husband you see these Chinese dancers come out and start dancing next to them like and all of this is still happening in the background. You see all of this, like other folks still going. And then what would happen is when you would see a black person doing a dance
Starting point is 01:18:13 to the blues music, you would see the African dance equivalent or origination of the, happening next to them. And it's all happening at the same time, Emily. It was, this is one of the most incredible things I've seen in film, and I'm not doing it justice. And if you only go to see this movie for one thing, this is where to see. Oh, I wanna see this movie so bad.
Starting point is 01:18:34 You can't really describe it. You have to see it. And it's cause the music is incredible. It's throughout the whole movie, but in this scene specifically, and also like this scene feels like it shouldn't work. Like it's like, I feel like pitching this scene. I mean, I think you're like Ryan Coogler, so it's fine.
Starting point is 01:18:54 But like if somebody else pitched it, it'd be like, hmm, that's gonna be crazy. Yes. And they shot it live, Sammy. They shot it live. What? Amazing. Ridiculous. What? Yeah. Ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:19:05 What? Yeah, well imagine how stressful, imagine how stressful that would be, be like, don't fuck this dance up. That is incredible. And I mean, Ronald, you gave me goosebumps just telling me about it. I feel like, I, fuck.
Starting point is 01:19:19 Worth seeing. I watch it over and over again. I will watch it again. And then while he's singing, all of a sudden he's singing and you go look up to the roof, the roof catches on fire and they burn the entire barn down. So you see all of these dancers and singers in there playing the music and you could see them in the camera pans all the way out and you can see all of them. And then it pans out far enough for you to see the three vampires looking at the barn from the outside.
Starting point is 01:19:46 And it says it brings like the passive future and also evil with it. Wait, okay, so it burns the house down, but metaphorically. I mean, actually and metaphorically, because it did not actually burn it down, but what you see is a burned down barn. So like, but when we go back to barn is back to normal. We realized this was all a part of the, like the whatever out Bart. So like, but when we go back to Bart is back to normal. We realized this was all a part of the,
Starting point is 01:20:07 like the whatever that happened. Immediately after this scene, Perline gives herself to Sammy in the back room. And there's this scene of, which was surprising because I'm like most, when you talk about sex scenes, you rarely, most of the sex scenes that were in this movie, all centered
Starting point is 01:20:25 female pleasure in a very specific way, either by putting the camera on the woman's face. There's a lot of talk of going down on women and like, Stack gives Sammy a little lesson on the best way to do it. It's an ice cream cone. It comes back a lot. We're really focused on going down on women, which you know, great. It's a very feminist very feminist students approach I would So they end up hooking up and while they're while they're hooking up a couple things happen
Starting point is 01:20:53 So after this smoke and stack talk to each other and they're like, hey, yo Here's the numbers for what we've done tonight and stack looks at the numbers and you know, it's bad because stack all of a sudden I oh no. He looks at the numbers and he's basically, they don't say what they are but they basically are like at this rate we'll be out of business in three months so we got to figure out what we're going to do because this isn't going to work essentially. So that's still kind of brewing a little bit and then while this is all going on the three white vampires walk up to the door and they all have guitars and Remick is leading them and Remick looks at them
Starting point is 01:21:29 and says, hey, can you let us in? Like we wanna come in and play with you, you got some things going on, we got money, we wanna spend it and Cornbread's like, yo, get smoke. So Smoke, Stack, Sammy and Mary are all at the door now. And I think Delta Slim might've been there. There's several door scenes and Delta Slim was sometimes there and I don't know if he was there for this one. I think he might've been. So they're standing at the door, and they start singing
Starting point is 01:21:51 this song called Pick Poor Robin Clean, and it's basically talking about picking the bones of a dead person clean, and it's like, but it's catchy, right? It's in like a little plucky folk style. That's like a big poor Robin. That's exactly it. Poor Robin. And it's like a very different vibe from the blues and things that we've already heard. It's like, it's really made me laugh.
Starting point is 01:22:13 It's like someone turned on Florence and the machines at a Kendrick Lamar concert. It's like, that's not the vibe, but they're good. Yeah, it was, they were good. And it's funny cause stack is dancing along to it and smoke's like, what is this? And so through that exchange, they're like, no y'all can't come in.
Starting point is 01:22:31 And smoke says, turns the cornbread says, do not let them in. Like do not let them in. And so smoke's like, cornbread's like, okay. So they walk off and they make this comment about, we're gonna walk slow just in case you change your mind. There's little funny exchanges throughout this movie. This is one of them And so smoke goes back in and in cornbreads like yo, I gotta use the restroom
Starting point is 01:22:53 That's not what he says But he goes off to use the restroom and Delta Slim is then left watching the door at this point two conversations are had Smoke is talking to Sammy and he says to Sammy, hey, um, I don't think you should be playing the blues. I think you just need to get out of your town, go somewhere, but don't do what we're doing. Don't play the blues. I think it's not a good life for you. You got to do something else. And, uh, Sammy's like, nah, I'm gonna play the blues and smoke pulls a gun on them. It was a little unexpected So, Sammy basically says something like, he's like, if I catch you, you're going to have to kill me.
Starting point is 01:23:28 Yeah, he's like, you're going to have to kill me. And then smoke pulls out a gun. Obviously does not shoot him. But essentially just really trying to emphasize the point that I don't think you should be doing this. Stack is having a conversation with Mary saying we about to run out of money. And Mary's like, well, why don't I go out here and talk to these white folks since I look like one of them. And we can see about getting that money back up in here.
Starting point is 01:23:47 And so he's like, okay, so he gives her a gun. She goes out there to talk to these white folks and they're being, they're singing some very like very ballady, like Irish tone. That's sounds really good, but it's also because we know they're vampires. I'm unsettled by it. Very creeped out. Yeah. Because we know they're vampires, I'm unsettled by it. Very creeped out, yeah. It's like a very soft, like... Will you go?
Starting point is 01:24:08 Like almost like, yeah. Will you go? It's like a little, like almost lullaby. I mean, I'm- Which is, again, good. It's very pretty, yeah, but I didn't like it. But we're spooked. So they're chit chatting, they're going back and forth. And through their conversation conversation you realize one,
Starting point is 01:24:25 that Remick is drooling at the mouth while he's talking to Mary. And Mary catches this and his eyes are starting to glow red and she's like yuck. So she turns around and as she's about to run away, walk away, you see him jump in the air and when he's about to land, it cuts to Perlene sliding onto the stage
Starting point is 01:24:44 and singing, ah, like that. Great cut. Yeah, it cuts to Perlene sliding onto the stage and singing, like that. Great cut. Yeah, it's a 100% great cut. Yeah, but then we're learning that he has like supernatural jumping abilities. This was not a human height jump. No, it was very, very high. And I just want to, like at this point, Henley, we're in the last third of the movie at this point.
Starting point is 01:25:04 Like a lot of movie, maybe like the beginning of the last third, like it's, there's not a lot of movie left at this point. And that too much, like it's not, we haven't gotten to anything like supergory or scary. The scariest and most tense parts are happening now among us. So we cut to there, she's singing and as she's singing,
Starting point is 01:25:23 something else happens in the bar where there's this guy, there was a card game and this guy had loaded dice and he cut one of the other patrons in the face. So they start beating the trash out of this dude, like just, and they beat him to the rhythm of the music. The music is cutting in where it's a very foot stomp heavy song and they're also like kicking this dude. So it's very funny, but not funny,
Starting point is 01:25:45 but very well cut. And so that's what Stack and Smoke are dealing with that while that's happening. And then Mary comes up to the door and sees cornbread. She goes, hey, cornbread. And she looks fine, like nothing's ever happened to her. And she goes, are you gonna let me in? And he goes, yeah, Mary, come on back in.
Starting point is 01:26:02 Did you catch that? Oh no, Mary's a vampire, Mary's a vampire. So Mary comes back in, which ironic that it's for a horror movie that it's the white person that goes first, for whatever, which I really enjoy. Yes, yes. It was not a rule that is often broken. So she comes back in.
Starting point is 01:26:19 Love it. And she starts talking nasty to Stack again. She's like, ayo, Stack, you ain't never had no problem stealing pussy before. I'm sorry. That's the line. That's what she actually said. This is, I feel like where we hear like you stole from the Italians and the Irish. Yes. Because they have Italian wine and Irish beer. And she's putting together that they stole that so that they would set the Irish and the
Starting point is 01:26:46 Italians against each other in Chicago, but that they might come After them eventually, but yeah, she's like you had no problems stealing from the Irish and the Italians and You can't steal this pussy for one night. Yeah, wow, she's being very forward which was very convincing I got to say like that's like that's a hard line to not cross at that point. So he's like, okay Well, but you put it that way, they go into the back room, they start hooking up, she starts drooling. And then in the movie takes a turn. He's, she goes, do you want some? And then starts Henley drooling into his mouth.
Starting point is 01:27:21 She's on top Henley. This is women centric women forward, we love women in centers. This is very feminist to the moon. So anyway, they start hooking up in there and Sammy is dealing with this problem with this client that cut the person. He's talking to Smoke and Smoke says, go get Stack. He walks to the room to get them and Delta Slim says, yeah, he's in there. He's going there. He's like, you can go on in there.
Starting point is 01:27:47 And he opens the door, sees that they're having sex, is shocked, closes the door, and Delta Slim says, oh, is he busy? And then Sidney turns around, goes over to Smoke and says, yo, he's busy. And Smoke's like, I don't care, we need him right now. So they go to the other room, and when they open the door, Mary is eating his neck, eating his neck. It's blood is gushing everywhere. He's like, what's
Starting point is 01:28:09 going on? Mary jumps up. Her eyes are white. She's like, she says, it's not what it looks like, which is very funny because it is. Yeah, that's what she said. It's actually what it looks like. So he sees his brother die. She turns to him and smoke, blam, blam, blam, blam. Let's the topper fly. Just both shots. Blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, let the topper fly, just both shots, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam. She falls to the ground, gets back up and says, we're gonna kill all of you, pushes past smoke, runs out of the building.
Starting point is 01:28:34 Smoke is holding CradleLink's stack who was bleeding out on the ground. He's holding stack, Sammy's distraught, and he's ran in there and been like, oh my God, what's going on? Delta Slim has to close the door and say everybody, yo, the party's over, y'all gotta go. The Bow and Grace Chow are like, yo, this is kind of crazy.
Starting point is 01:28:50 We didn't sign up for this. What's going on here? So all the patrons get in their cars and are leaving outside where the vampires are, Hindley. So they all get into their cars and start trying to head home. And inside, we're dealing with stack dying, so stack dies. And immediately Annie's like,
Starting point is 01:29:08 we gotta take the body outside. Annie's like putting together something's up, something is weird. I think actually, or maybe right now I guess, cornbread comes back from being in the woods. And he also is like, aren't you guys gonna invite me in? And you can see the like wheels turning in Annie's brain where she's like, I know what's going on here.
Starting point is 01:29:32 I've heard about this. Yeah, and there's a very funny exchange that happens again, where he's talking about love and kindness and why don't y'all just let me back in there? And he goes, and then she's like, Annie's like, yo, you've been coming and going all night. What's different now? So essentially through an exchange in which Corm then she's like, and he's like, yo, you've been coming and going all night. What's different now? So essentially through an exchange in which Cormoran's like,
Starting point is 01:29:48 well, at least give me my money before I go. Smoke goes to hand him his money. And when he does that, he then tries to bite Smoke's arm and he shoots him directly in the face. And everyone's like, yo, what, what's going on? And they closed the door and Andy's like, yo, this is weird. These are hates. And she starts using this other phrase for them like, yo, this is weird, these are hates. And she starts using this other phrase for them,
Starting point is 01:30:07 not vampires, this other phrase. And so as that's happening, you hear a knock at the back door and it's Stack. And Sammy puts his ear on the door and at the same time Stack stabs his knife through the door. It's a big jump scare, stabs his knife through the door. There's a hole there and now all of the audience, I know you were, I was, are nervous about this hole that everyone keeps putting their eye up to in order to look at Stack through there. So Smoke's talking
Starting point is 01:30:33 to Stack and he's like, yo, we're going to get you out of there. You okay? He's like, I'm fine. He doesn't feel like it's right, but he's like, he's my brother. So I'm going to unlock him. Just as he about to unlock the door, Stack busts down the door. Meanwhile, Andy's being like, that's not your brother. That's not your brother. Like she knows something's up and she runs up with a jar. She runs up with a jar of some sort of liquid and throws it on his face. It burns and he runs out of the house and they said, what was in that jar? And she goes, pickled garlic. These ain't hates these vampires. And that's what we realized, that's what they're like,
Starting point is 01:31:05 okay, like, God, we're dealing with vampires. So they start fashioning weapons. They're like, this is the only way you can kill vampires. You got to stab them in the heart with a stake. Don't invite them into the house. We got this garlic. This is the only way you're going to kill them. We got to use silver.
Starting point is 01:31:18 Like they're basically going through all the rules that we know about vampires. And they're saying, look, we only got to make it through the night. At this point in the house, you have Perlene, you have perlene you have sammy you have delta slim you have a smoke and you have annie and then there's about two or three other just random patrons who are also in there as well they look over and see that there's one patron that's laying on the ground with what looks like blood by his head uh so they're like're like, Oh my God, what happened to this guy? Let's get him outside. So they pick him up and they take his body outside. And as they
Starting point is 01:31:48 do that, they look over and they've basically turned all of the patrons in the bar are in the middle of this field dancing to Irish music, like river dance full on, like singing and dancing. And it's, it's wild to see. It's awesome. I really, I really love this song, even though it's also scary because they are all covered in blood and torn clothes, but it's very menacing, but I love some Irish music. He's doing a little jig. Sam is like, I love Irish music.
Starting point is 01:32:22 Oh God. So they see this happening and they're like, that's weird. We're going to go back inside. As they're about to go back inside, the patron wakes up because he was not bitten. He had just been, he had been passed out or had just fallen. And he's knocking on the door, trying to get back in. He's like, let me in.
Starting point is 01:32:40 There's some weird stuff going on here, guys. Let me in, let me in. And as they open the door, cornbread tackles them and Starts biting his neck as that happens Bo who had left earlier to go say he was getting the car Strolls up to the house casually and is like hey grace. Let's go Let's get the car on out of here and they're looking at him Like do you not see cornbread eating this guy over here and he goes? Oh, no, he's just a little hungry
Starting point is 01:33:04 Come on, let's get on out of here. And he goes, or you can let me in and we can hang. And then she realizes he's a vampire. So this realization that he's a vampire, Remyc walks up and is like, I don't know what y'all are worried about. Like y'all should just come out here and be vampires with us. What are y'all tripping on?
Starting point is 01:33:21 Y'all weren't gonna make it through the night anyway, because it turns out that the guy that you just bought the bought the juke joint from he was coming back in the morning with all Of his clan buddies to murder you and take back their property I know that because this guy who I just rolled with is his nephew I know it because I could see his thoughts and so you realize that the vampires can all see each other's thoughts stack walks up in a heartbreaking scene because Smoke is like, my brother's a vampire. And there's ways in which, because they could see each other's thoughts,
Starting point is 01:33:51 Remick is saying something to Grace about how Bo likes to have sex with Grace and how Grace likes it. And all these little things are happening in this conversation that is making you realize that because they can see each other's thoughts, it's making them even more vulnerable. This is important because it has a particular impact
Starting point is 01:34:09 on Grace who's concerned about her daughter, Lisa, who Remick at this point has threatened. He was like, well, maybe we'll go pick up Lisa and turn the whole town. And so she's upset by this. One thing that also happens in that interaction, Sammy's there too, and Remick sees Sammy and says, Sammy.
Starting point is 01:34:29 And says, you're the one that had that beautiful voice, you were playing so beautifully, you're the reason we're all here. And basically says, if you just give us Sammy, we'll leave you alone. But Sammy is kind of the key for Remick to be able to like connect to his ancestors or to the time that he's from. I don't know if we get that full story right here, but there's this, we learn in this moment that Sammy's kind of the main target of this whole attack. And Sammy almost gave himself up and then doesn't. They go back into the house and there's this very funny scene in which they all eat some garlic and to make sure that none of them are vampires.
Starting point is 01:35:09 Kind of like the thing. Yeah. You know, the thing scene where they test the blood. It's like this thing. They're like, everybody has to eat a raw clove of garlic. And these cloves look big too. They're not fucking around. They're like the biggest cloves of garlic I've ever seen. And poor, um, Perline is like, I don't, I don't, I don't like garlic. I don't want to do this. And then they're like, that means you're a vampire. You've got to eat it. And so he pissed the whips in the mouth.
Starting point is 01:35:33 You don't have to like it. You just have to eat it. So they all eat it. We almost think that Delta Slim's a vampire, but he's not. And it's very funny. I drank too much type scene going on there. So they all eat it. Turns out nobody's a vampire, but he's not. And it's very funny. I drank too much type scene going on there. So they all eat it. Turns out nobody's a vampire in there. But what happens is all of a sudden, they start hearing them singing the vampire singing again, and they start singing that song. I picked poor Robin clean at this point. Grace is getting upset because she's like, yo, we can't
Starting point is 01:36:00 just sit here all night. Like they're going to go kill everybody in the town. Like there's a bunch of them. We got to take these guys out right now. Like what are y' here all night. Like they're gonna go kill everybody in the town Like there's a bunch of them We got to take these guys out right now like what are y'all talking about and they're like no they're gonna kill all of us You can't do that they're trying to hold her back and she's getting upset and they try to hold grace down because grace is over there making Molotov cocktails and being like we got to get them and Sharpening stakes and stuff to like they're like we ready of making weapons. All kinds of makeshift stuff going on. But nobody wants to go out except for Grace.
Starting point is 01:36:28 And Grace is like, Smoke, I saw you shoot two people for like almost stealing beer from you like, and you're just going to sit here now. They killed your brother. They killed my husband. They're threatening my daughter. Like, if this isn't go time, I don't know what is. That's exactly what she says. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. So they're trying to hold her.
Starting point is 01:36:48 And then you could see in her face that she's like, I'm not putting up with this anymore. And she yells, come on in motherfuckers to all of them. That's one way to do it. If you're in the theater, you can look around. I've seen it three times. You can look around and see everyone adjusting their chair like, all right, what's happening?
Starting point is 01:37:07 And you see Rimmick be like, okay, the doors burst open, the vampires come running in, and they're just like, smoke is shooting people, they're stabbing people, anti-stabbing people, they're getting them in the heart, they're killing, stabbing, shooting, and then there's a couple of the people that aren't main cast members
Starting point is 01:37:23 are obviously getting taken down, because you need some people, there has to be some risk here. So some of them are dying They're getting taken out and then at the same time during this big scene Grace ran straight up to both stabbed him in the heart what after and she catches on fire So she's stabbing him the heart as they both burned to death one of the Molotov cocktails Yeah, like the ground and lit him on fire and she burns with them. And something important, the reason they're doing this also is because they've kind of asked Annie, like, if we kill Remick, will everybody return back to normal?
Starting point is 01:37:56 Is that the rules? And Annie says, no, the only salvation like possible here for them is being killed because when you're a vampire, the soul can't move on to the next level or whatever, like you're trapped here essentially. And so the only way to give them any amount of peace is to kill them. Like that's all we can do. And she says to smoke like, promise me if I turn that you will, like, free my soul, essentially, like, I don't want to be a vampire. Yes. Okay. Okay. So it's kind of like a redemption in a way, or it's like they're almost doing
Starting point is 01:38:34 like a good thing by killing them. Yeah. And you feel that with Grace and Bo in this moment where she's just like... Although, I mean, they do still have a daughter. So you do wonder about that. But she also is protecting Lisa. She's, I mean, that's why she's doing this. That's true. That's true. That I do.
Starting point is 01:38:52 I do feel sad now that you mentioned that. But yeah, so knowing that we know what we know about Annie, we see Annie get caught up with stack and stack bites Annie. And Annie says, no, anyone but you, not you, because she's basically looking, and the way I understood it, she's looking at the face of the man she loves who is now killing her.
Starting point is 01:39:12 And Smoke is caught up in something too, so he's struggling trying to get out. And once he's able to get away, we also learn in the scene, because Annie yells that all the other vampires feel Remick's pain pain when he's hurt They're all also hurt. So he had like shot remake or something and the rest of them all felt it as well So Annie's dying and he goes over and she goes you promise you're supposed to you know
Starting point is 01:39:35 What you're supposed to do and he stabs Annie in the heart with the steak It's very sad Even Mary and stacker like? Why are you killing Annie? What's going on? Mary was like, no. Mary's really upset. I think this was their plan to get... I mean, obviously they want both of them to be vampires. There's a lot of talk of join us, all your problems will go away, everything's going
Starting point is 01:40:01 to be fine if we can all just be like one happy family altogether. Yeah, we'll make America great again. Essentially, yes. And so they I think thought that like if they turn Annie, that smoke will have to like, join them agreed to be one be a vampire as well. And so when they see him kill her, they're like, oh shit, that's not gonna, that's not the case. Like he's really dedicated to not being a vampire. So Mary just runs. Okay.
Starting point is 01:40:31 Yeah. So, so Mary runs out of the house, runs. And then at this point, it's the only people left are Perlene, Sammy and Smoke. And Delta Slim is like, he's the one that picks up smoke from Annie's like, we got to go, we gotta go. She's dead. We gotta go. So they he starts sending them up the stairs.
Starting point is 01:40:48 And as he's about to send them up the stairs, he goes, y'all go, I'll take care of this. And there's all this illusion to Delta Slim being one that's like, I'm going to stand here. I'm going to take care of things like I'll fight the devil. There's like several lines that kind of allude to him being able to make a sacrifice of himself in order to save others. So he cuts his arm in one of the most gruesome saves. It was hard to watch, like the way they cut the cut happen.
Starting point is 01:41:10 It's sprays in like five little spouts direction. It's like a water fountain of blood squirting from his arm. He doesn't cut it. He like scrapes it. It's like a broken bottle. So it has a bunch of jagged edges. Oh yeah. I feel like that was the toughest part. Yeah. That was like a broken bottle. So it has like a bunch of jacket edges. Oh, yeah, I feel like that that was the toughest part Yeah, that was like watching this all the way. So that happens
Starting point is 01:41:30 Uh, and he attracts most of the vampires to him while the other three go upstairs and as they try to run out Remick runs in from upstairs. He jumps in there. He says Sammy Sammy jumpscare I laughed so hard and I can't stop saying it now. Our producer emailed us and said, Sammy like sinners voice. Sammy is fighting. Sammy is fighting with a with a remake and smoke is fighting stack andick and Smoke is fighting Stack. And they're fighting, fighting, fighting.
Starting point is 01:42:07 And at some point, Perline helps Samy and then Perline gets bit. So Perline pushes Samy away, is like, save yourself. And Samy, somehow, I'm not sure where Remick goes. I think he had been injured enough that he was no longer in the fight for a moment. And Samy was able to jump off of the the high the surprisingly deceptively high barn ledge it looks it looks like it seems like he doesn't actually even jump it's like he expects there to be more of a runway or something because
Starting point is 01:42:36 he just falls out of this like pretty high window but I mean he just gets up and keeps running so doesn't slow him down. He's running. And while that's happening, Smoke and Stack are fighting inside the barn and he's running. And as he's running, Remick catches him. So he catches them and he has his guitar in one hand. Well, the guitar might've fallen into,
Starting point is 01:42:59 the guitar was near him, but it was not like, just know that the guitar was near him for what I'm gonna say next. So the guitar was around and he's talking to Remick and he starts saying the Lord's Prayer. While he's saying the Lord's Prayer, Remick starts saying the Lord's Prayer too and talking about how he used to comfort him,
Starting point is 01:43:15 which is like me as a Christian, I'm like, dang man, when the demons start quoting scripture, we in trouble. So it's like, I don't know where this is going, but I can't watch this anymore. So that's happening. We cut back to smoke and stack fighting and stack is trying to kill smoke.
Starting point is 01:43:29 But when he tries to bite him, it's like he can't get to him and you realize it's the bag that Annie gave him that's keeping him from being able to bite him. So then he flips a stack over and is about to stab him. And he goes, I'm sorry. And he basically says, I'm sorry, I couldn't protect you. And Stacks says, it's okay, you always did. And it cuts back to Sammy and Remick fighting
Starting point is 01:43:52 and they're fighting and struggling. At some point they're saying the Lord's prayer and Sammy picks up a guitar and busts him in the head with it and there's this big silver part of the guitar sticking out of Remick's head and it's burning him a little bit, it's really bothering him. And he grabs Sammy and he's like, you think you can get me whatever?
Starting point is 01:44:08 And he's about to bite Sammy. And as he's about to bite him, smoke comes up from behind him, stakes him in the heart from behind. And the sun comes up over the horizon. That's where you see that scene with a smoke having his arm around Sammy's shoulder, looking really afraid.
Starting point is 01:44:24 And there's a bright light and that's the fire from Remick burning into a column of fire and all of his vampires around him also catching fire from the sun. We don't see cornbread die, I just wanna point that out. We do not see cornbread die. We see Perlene die. Yes, we see Perlene die.
Starting point is 01:44:40 Maybe cornbread, maybe we're gonna get another expanded universe. I'm just saying he could be out there So we see that happen and then Okay, we're in the homestretch. And they don't worry We see that happen The vampire threat is gone and you see Sammy and smoke like shaken and disheveled walk up to the back of the truck and pick Up this trunk off the truck and put it on the ground.
Starting point is 01:45:05 And you see, and he says, he says to Sammy, go on home. There's one more thing I need to do. So then Sammy goes off to drive home and the car and we see smoke sitting there about to roll up the cigarette and his hands are shaking too much. And every time he smoked in the movie stack had rolled up the cigarettes and gave him one, but his hands were shaking so he can't roll it up. So then he opens the chest and inside the chest is a Tommy gun, another gun, some grenades, all kinds of stuff. And it starts repeating in the background
Starting point is 01:45:33 what they said about the Ku Klux Klan coming to get them. But also flashing through him is the fact that, like it shows when they were actually building the juke joint, like how it was a community effort, it shows like them frying the fish were actually building the juke joint, like how it was a community effort. It shows like them frying the fish and them painting the signs and all the stuff that we didn't see from the beginning. So it's like this montage that happens later while he's also thinking about the clan coming. So the next we cut to this next scene and we see the clan show up and they roll up and they're like, I mean, they are like comically
Starting point is 01:46:03 racist like like hang me an N word type stuff. Like that's a line that's actually saying you're like, oh, I'm like, the self did rise. I don't like it. So they, they're, they're talking and you're like, obviously something's about to happen. They go to the door to say, Hey, we're going to burn this place down. And out of the woods, blam, someone gets shot in the head. Another person gets shot in the head. He's shooting, he's shooting, shooting, killing.
Starting point is 01:46:27 And there's like dozens of people and he's just mowing through them from the cornfield comes out of the cornfield, shooting more, pulls out a Tommy gun, pull out of the ground that he buried, picks it up, starts mowing down through all of them, take some grenades, throws it in a car. He's shooting at them while he's shooting at them. One of them shoots him and catches him right in the stomach and the lower stomach and shooting at them. While he's shooting at them, one of them shoots him and catches him right in the stomach, in the lower stomach. He starts bleeding, but he's shooting, shooting, shooting.
Starting point is 01:46:49 He shoots the main boss hog guy that he bought the place from and he's sitting down. So he walks up to him while he's crawling away and says, hey, you got a cigarette? And he goes, no, with an attitude. And Smoke just looks at him. And of course he does have cigarettes. So he pulls out some cigarettes and gives it to him.
Starting point is 01:47:07 Smoke sits down to start smoking. And as he does that, he looks over and sees Annie dressed in all white, breastfeeding their child. And she says, she goes, hey, if you put that cigarette down, I'll let you hold him. I don't want him to get all that smoke on him. And he puts the cigarette down and turns and pick up the baby.
Starting point is 01:47:25 And as he does that, the guy's like, hey, we can work out a deal. Like, I have money, what do you need? And he pulls out the gun and just over kills. Brrrrra, brrrrra, brrrrra, brrrrra, brrrrra, brrrrra, brrrrra, kills the crap out of this guy. Like, it was, this is the type of, like this is the type of murder that I want to see,
Starting point is 01:47:42 of like racist and racism. Like I want to see it eradicated from the planet. It's cathartic, let's do it a lot. Let's do it over and over. So he does that and he picks up the baby and then he dies. We cut back to Sammy, who has now showed back up to the church. He's talking to his father and it goes back to the scene
Starting point is 01:48:00 where he's like, you'll choose God, you're going to choose this music. And it cuts to Sammy clutching the guitar neck to his chest, crying and driving down the cornfields, leaving this town. And as he's driving, it then cuts to him as an old man with these scars on his face and his buddy guy playing Sammy. And it's this popular blues singer buddy guy and he's playing in this club.
Starting point is 01:48:24 And it's like, I goosebumps, goosebumps. I'm like, oh my God, cause he has the scars on his face, and he's playing in this club. And it's like, I, goosebumps, goosebumps. I'm like, oh my God, cause he has the scars on his face, but he's still playing the blues and his years later. And it's 1996. I think. Yeah, 1996. So he's playing and he's playing in this club. And that's basically like,
Starting point is 01:48:39 it cuts back and forth to him singing songs. And then that's basically how the movie ends. Do we want to tell her about the extra scene, Sammy? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm like, first of all, oh, holy shit. Like talk about goosebumps. I feel like I have goosebumps like on my scalp.
Starting point is 01:48:56 Like that doesn't usually happen. I get goosebumps on my scalp. I get that. That's like usually not like that. That's high level goosebumps. Those are, that's the real shit. Yeah. Super high level. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. Tell me about this extra scene. It shows him sitting at the bar after the show has wrapped and they're closing up shop
Starting point is 01:49:19 and one of the door guys comes up to him and says, Hey, Sammy, there were two people that really wanted to see you. I was going to tell them no, but they offered a couple hundred bucks. Do you want it? And Sammy says, Yeah, sure. You know what? Let them in. And then here's the door guy say, Okay, you guys can come in. And then Sammy has a moment of like PTSD. Yeah, like, like, like inviting someone in and sure enough, in slow motion and decked out in very 90s attire, in walk, Mary and Stack looking the same as ever, haven't aged a day. What?
Starting point is 01:49:59 And they come and sit down next to him. He... Looks surprised? Looks surprised. I feel like he's not like... Shivering in fear or anything. He's just kind of like, what the fuck? Like, how did this happen? And so we find out that in that moment, Smoke could not kill Stack.
Starting point is 01:50:23 Stack tells him he just made me promise that I wouldn't hurt you and that I would let you live out your life. But you're an old man now and he's he smells him and he's like, it's not going to be too much longer for you now. Like do you want me to help you stick around? Keep playing the blues for longer. And Sammy says, no, I've seen enough of this place. Like I'm ready. I'm ready to go. And they just have a nice little moment. And they're like, all right, well, we have all of your records and we're your
Starting point is 01:50:56 biggest fans and we love you. And Mary says, like, take it easy little Sammy. So then as he leaves, he's about to walk out and he goes, Hey, stat, he goes, what? He goes, every now and then I wake up in a sweat, like thinking about that night all over again, I'm terrified. You know, basically, like I'm just, I'm still having PTSD about it. He's like, but honestly, up until that night, I would say that was probably one of the best days of my life. He says, would you say it was the same for you?
Starting point is 01:51:23 He says, was it like that for you? And he pauses, stack pauses for a minute and he looks at him and it cuts back. Oh, I'm going to start crying. I'm sorry. It cuts back to, he goes back to, he looks at him and he says, absolutely, man, it was, it was the last time I saw my brother. And it shows him dapping up his brother. And he goes, it was the last time I saw the sun. And it shows him and his brother like looking at and he goes, it was the last time I saw the sun, and it shows him and his brother looking at the sun. And then it cuts to this beautiful song of Sammy singing. So they leave the bar, and it cuts to this beautiful song of Sammy singing,
Starting point is 01:51:55 and then it kinda goes into the credits, but it shows him playing the guitar and singing in the back of the car, and that's the last scene you've seen of the movie. It's so good. Oh, it's making me cry, too. It's so good. It's so good. It's making me cry too. It's so good. It's so good.
Starting point is 01:52:05 I'm like, it's so good. Like I just like public service announcement to the entire listening base of Too Scary Didn't Watch. This is the one you see. If you only allot yourself one horror movie for X amount of time, this is the one you use that token on because it's worth every penny.
Starting point is 01:52:25 It's worth every penny. And we've given you the information you need. You know where the jump scares are, the very minimal jump scares and where the gore is. And I'd say, yeah, for like 80% of the movie or maybe like 70%, it's like not, it's not scary. It's totally manageable. And I feel like, yeah, it's definitely worth seeing.
Starting point is 01:52:45 And it's still in theaters. So go see it in theaters if you can, because it looks amazing on a big screen. And it's a really fun one to see with a crowd because it gets such reactions from the audience as, you know, I mean, horror movies are always great to see with the crowd. But yeah, I feel like... Oh, fuck. I'm so upset that I have to go like right now because I really want to talk about this movie so badly. I want to talk about like... I mean, the main thing is that it really puts an emphasis on
Starting point is 01:53:16 why one of many reasons why cultural appropriation is so fucked up is because like white people playing the blues. It's just like, fuck that. And I feel like, yeah, I got that a lot from the messaging of like, join us and like, we're all like, part of the vampire's messaging was like, we're all the same. And it reminded me of like, I don't see color. And like, it doesn't matter. We're all we're all God's children type of thing. And it's like, at a surface level, seems like a nice thought, but like under the surface, it's like erasing cultures and like, it's like a really harmful thing to be like, hey,
Starting point is 01:53:55 let's forget about all our differences and just move forward as if we're all best friends. It's like erasing lived experiences. And I felt like that really came across in this, in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. That was, that was stunning. Stunning. I, stunning. Ronald like, oh, everyone go see Ronald tell stories live. Honestly. Like you are a real gift. You have a real gift. I think I've done some sequencing stuff I didn't do right there. So if you want to see it, well, go see it.
Starting point is 01:54:27 The dance music though, I felt like, I mean, I haven't seen it, but it felt that seemed like the most difficult one to have to convey. And I feel like you got all the pieces. Yeah. Perfectly. I can't wait for you to see it, Henley. Email me when you do. I'll be emailing you.
Starting point is 01:54:39 Yeah. Well, Henley, do you want to take off and I can wrap up with Ronald and... Yes. Thank you guys so much. And Ronald, you're amazing. And I'm really, really deeply upset. I have to go.
Starting point is 01:54:52 No worries. Enjoy the rest of your day. Thanks for having me. Bye. Bye, Henley. And Ronald, I just wanted to talk also a little bit about the like, coming back to that religion conversation that Delta Slim has at one point where he says like, essentially like white people brought religion with them,
Starting point is 01:55:12 but we brought this music with us. I thought that was kind of- Yeah, it was right before he plays, he says, they gave us this, but we brought blues with us. Yes. Like we brought it with us. We brought it with us. Nobody gave this to us, like we had it. Yeah, I really loved that feeling like blues and music.
Starting point is 01:55:31 It felt like almost like a deeper level of spirituality. And I thought that was like a very beautiful line and moment and message of the film of just like the music. And you just feel it in a way that can't be described in words, but like you just feel that deep spiritual experience with music and how it does transcend, you know, different generations. And yeah, I thought that was a really, Yeah, I feel like in general, like, when everything about like spirituality versus organized religion, I think it is a lot the difference between like, like sheet music and jazz, where it's
Starting point is 01:56:13 like, and I mean, you can put jazz music in sheet music, but the idea of like, like jazz was made so that people could be improv improvisational. Yeah, I mean, and I think there's a lot in this film about improvising, whether it's building the juke joint or getting the people there, like, versus like the organized structures that are like continuously trying to make them be uniform and do the same thing over and over again, which is what the vampires are trying to do, versus like them trying to like live a life that is free, where they get to go out and do what they want to do and not feel like encumbered by like any of the structures or the systemic
Starting point is 01:56:49 oppression that is around them. So it's, I mean, there's a lot that, there's a lot, this movie has a lot. And every time you watch it, you could probably get a little bit more from it. Especially excellent rewatch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause if you're not distracted by the plot, then you could really just dig into the art. You know what I mean? Which I really, I mean, either way,
Starting point is 01:57:12 I think it's a good plot movie. If this movie's not nominated for at least seven Oscars, and I'm not just pulling that number out of my head. No, yeah, yeah. Best picture, best director, best original play, music, costumes, acting. Like if it's not for seven Oscars, the Oscars are not real anymore.
Starting point is 01:57:31 As far as I'm concerned. Yeah, the Oscars have not gotten it right many times before, so we'll see, but fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. There's an Avatar movie coming out, but there's no way in the world it's going to be better than this. Oh, Ronald, thank you so much for coming back to talk about this movie with us. And will you just tell our listeners about Wait For It and Living in the Theater and anything
Starting point is 01:58:02 else anywhere they can find you. You can find me on Instagram at ohitsbigron. That's at O-H-I-T-S-B-I-G-R-O-N. You could also listen to my podcast Wait For It, WEIGHT. It's a narrative podcast about navigating the world and a plus size body and the ways in which we are always constantly thinking about our weight. Find out wherever you're listening to podcasts, even where you're listening to this one right now, we're hard at work producing season three, which comes out in the fall. And of course you can listen to, leave in a theater where I come out with new episodes every week, reviewing films as I'm walking out of the theater after seeing them. Our latest review up, uh, depending on when this comes out,
Starting point is 01:58:39 it might be thunderbolts or it might be something new. Uh, I'm going to see friendship with Tim Robinson and Paul Rudd, which I'm really excited about. I love Tim Robinson. I'm like equally excited and nervous for that one. I'm like, oh, things are going to be uncomfortable. Well, my thing is if it's bad, just put out another season of I think you should leave and we'll forget about it. I'm wearing my I think you should leave shirt right now. This is a Bones and Worms or their
Starting point is 01:59:02 money. Oh my God, I love that. I just got that. It's hard. They're funny. Are the worms. Oh God.
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