Tosh Show - My Favorite Backup Singer - Casey Kalmenson

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Daniel goes into the studio with musician, songwriter, and producer Casey Kalmenson. Casey has toured the world as part of Gracie Abrams' band while also releasing her own music as Little Monarch. Daniel and Casey compare their experiences surfing in LA, living on the road, and dealing with a bad stomach.  Join our Patreon for exclusive content: http://patreon.com/toshshow Download the Kalshi app and use code TOSH to get $20 when you trade $20 http://www.kalshi.com/r/tosh

Are you a singer that had to smoke cigarettes because you wanted your voice to sound a stupid way? No, I didn't. I chose, like, weed, really. Yeah. That doesn't have the same effect on the vocals, does it? I don't know. I don't think so. Nobody talks about gummies.

That's true. I need to have some edibles. You ready? Yeah. Okay. Count me in. Three, two, one point five. That's a go for Tosh.

Welcome to Tosh Show. Hey, can you sing jingles because they're commercials? That's not like a music problem, right? They have to pay you. It's that time of day when you can say, come on in, head for the mountains. Yeah, we're fine. You guys know that song? No.

Isn't that bush beer? I mean, I thought you were going to bush beer, but I didn't quite exactly. It's that time of day when you can say, come on in, head for the mountains. I forgot the rest of the words. I don't know if that's right even I could go for a bush I'll tell you that Oh you crack open a cold bush And Dylan's gonna jump out of his skin

Yeah Whatever I was just singing that song the other day That's a good song A good jingle I was thinking We're discussing Our good friend

Who passed away Many years ago Andy Ritchie He's a comedian Telling this story the other day to somebody and we're just dying laughing about it now eddie you've opened for me countless times on shows yes okay it is what it is we know each other you know we do our thing now sometimes you open for somebody that you don't know at all right and andy had this this story

where he was uh had moved out to los angeles you know you do what you can do you you you do you take any gig you can get, and he got a gig to open for Weird Al Yankovic. Good gig, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's going to open for Weird Al. Packed house. It's going to be, uh, no, okay, here's the first thing, the story. It's not a house.

He's performing in an open air venue. It's an outdoor venue. And it's somewhere down in Southern California. So he drives down to this place. And he gets there and he's, you know, as he's got his own. old brown Saturn. And he parks it backstage at the venue. He's there way too early. And they're going over with him what he can say on stage because it's a Weird Al show. And Weird Al keeps it clean. And Andy was never a dirty comedian, but he didn't shy away from topics. And they were like,

no, no, you can't talk, don't say any bad words. Don't say, you know, don't talk about sex, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, I've got this. I'm a professional. you know, I just, I just need the 500 bucks. That's probably what it paid. I don't even think you got to meet Weird Al. He goes on, just a few minutes in. I think he had a joke referencing marijuana, and they shut his microphone off.

They're like, nope, you're not going to do this in front of this, this Weird Al crowd. You're not going to talk about marijuana. And so he just, like, you know, Andy didn't know what was going on. He just said, he goes, I just walked off stage. I'm like, what's going on? They're like, no, you can't do that. And they're not going to pay him.

And he's like, well, I'm not going to get paid. And he's like, you know, he's upset. But listen, he's new to the game and he just moved out to L.A. So he's like, all right, I fucked up. I'm not going to be weird Al's opener. So he, like, goes to leave, but he can't leave because he got there early. And now his car is blocked in by like 400 crew guys that are there. So his car is stuck.

You guys getting this? Okay. So now he's out in the middle of nowhere and in a field where they're doing this weird Alshay. So he's like, I just went for a walk because I was like, I wasn't going to sit there and watch the show. I didn't want to listen to Weird Al's song. I was depressed that I fucked up and that I wasn't going to get paid. And he's just going for a walk on this country road down there. And then some guys in a truck pull up next to him and pelt him with eggs. they pelt poor beautiful Andy with eggs and I'm he's telling me the story I'm just crying laughing I just like this is the

saddest fucking thing in the world he got hit with a bunch of eggs now he's like you know he's got to walk back wait for weird al show to end getting his sad little Saturn and drive away And I mean, and he tells me the story. And I'm just like, oh, it's the greatest thing you've ever said. Like, it's, I was just dying laugh. I was so happy that he shared it with me, his pain of paying your dues and what it's really like opening for people. And I think the reason that we love it so much, the story is because we've all been there

on some level where you're just like, this is the worst. Not going to. Yeah. Why am I? show business. It's so not glamorous. It's so horrible. He never got to achieve the true success that he deserved, you know, before he got sick and died. And, and that's a shame. But man, when I think about him telling me that story for the first time, and I was just, I was just crying, laughing. And he was laughing too. Once you're out of it, you're like, that's great. The pain makes us

stronger. Listen, being an opener, it's not always glamorous. Today's guest, she's done it at the highest of levels. Enjoy. My guest today is toured the globe with some of the biggest acts in music today. She's a talented musician, songwriter, and producer, but more relatable to me, she's a surfer with a bad stomach. Please welcome Casey. Hello.

How are you, Casey? I'm good. How are you? I'm great. All right, question one, Casey. Okay, let's go. Do you believe in ghosts? Oh, my God, Sam.

That's not a Sam. I know it's a Sam question. What is? I know it is because she does it. Do I believe in ghosts? It's the first question I ask every interviewer. No, it's not. Yes, it is.

Oh, okay. This is a perfect example of you not having any idea of what I do. That is my first question. You didn't ask the beekeeper that. I fucking definitely asked him. Do you believe in ghosts? That's the first question. Yes.

Okay, okay, okay. All right, let's start again. I already know the answer. Cuckoo. Yes, I do believe in ghosts. You do, don't you? Yeah, I believe in ghosts. Yes, I believe in ghosts.

I mean, I believe in, like, you know, spirits and, you know, not like ghosts, like, haunting you, like, oh, in a bad way, but I believe in spirits. Have you ever experienced anything? I've experienced, like, lights flickering. Yeah. Right? Right. Hello. That's all the evidence you need.

Exactly. I believe in premonitions. I might believe in premonitions. Eddie, where are you at on premonitions? Sure. Okay. But this is coinciding with I'm reading this Dan Brown book called like the Secrets of Secrets. I don't know.

Did he write another book? Oh, he has so many. Well, I know he has so many, but didn't we all just stop after the first one? No. No, they're good. Well, sure. They're page turners. They're great.

So this one's about precognition or whatever. And it's about like. like seeing things before they happen. Today I'm driving here. There's a cop in Venice. So in Venice, there's a cop following me. And I'm like, oh, shit, like, I hope. I just got this new, like, old truck.

And I, like, don't know what's up with the registrate. I'm not sure. Is it super cool? It's pretty cool. Is it Land Rover? It's like a 96 Tacoma. Do you say Tacoma? No, but I say, like, Tacoma.

Like, if you had a Tacoma, we'd be Tacomis. Oh, right? I like that, too. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. So the cop was following me. And I was like, oh, okay. And then, all good, you know, now I'm cruising on the PCH, like right about to get here.

And I get pulled over by a motorcycle cop for being on my phone. Isn't that weird? Like, that was a premonition that I had 40 minutes before in Venice when like... You got pulled over for being on your phone? Yeah. I know. I didn't know that still happened. Well, he was like, it's fine here.

Just like, here's a piece of paper or whatever. I think I did do something, but... So I don't know if it's ghost. I don't know how that relates. That's just you... That's just bad luck. You're a Los Angeles native. Yeah.

Like a true native. Yeah. Do you grow up in a musical household? Yeah. My mom was a musical theater actress, so she was on Broadway. Let's talk about your mom for a second. Okay, we can talk about my mom. She's got some pretty cool bullet points.

Oh, for sure. My mom was a rockette. A radio city music rocket. I've seen the rockettes once live. Wow. I know. She was, I'm insane. Can she still do it?

Can she still get that leg up there? I don't know if she can still do like the big kick, but she dances like every day. Nobody more. I don't want to see the dance. I just want to see the leg kick. Can she still get that leg? I don't know. I'll see. I'm seeing her tonight. I'm seeing her tonight. Maybe I don't. I don't think she. How old is she can ask her this year? Oh, don't ask her to kick. No, but she's like, you wouldn't even believe it. You wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't believe it. You wouldn't believe she was 80. I wouldn't believe it, but I don't. That just seems like such a dumb way for her to be, oh, I got to go get hip surgery. For sure. And she did Broadway. She was in the original,

she was in like the touring original cast of Cabaret. And yeah, she did a lot of stuff. She was also Miss Colorado. Yes, she was Miss Colorado. Your family. On a scale of, oh, my God, to holy shit. Where's the wealth at? Oh, like, nice.

You know what I mean? I know what you mean. My question is, when you were a child growing up here in Los Angeles, because I have children, and I want to know, when did you comprehend, oh, shit. I have it way better than a lot of people. Ooh, I mean, pretty early on, I would say. Like, my parents are amazing, generous, like, incredible people that, you know, just my whole life, they were always lifting other people up.

So it was apparent in, like, a very healthy way that, like, that's why you, if you have means, like, that's exactly what you do with it. You're talking about five? Did you realize things at five or, like, 10? I think it was at my bat mitzvah, where I was like, oh, what is happening here? this is different than other bar mitzvahs I've been to. Who was at your bar mitzvah? Nelly?

I wish. Then that would have explained a lot. Steve Wynne was one of my dad's friends. They're not, I don't think they're friends anymore. Anyways, he was at my bat mitzvah. Does he just sit on the edge of your house on the roof? Yeah, basically. I don't know this story exactly, but he was like, okay, as your bat mitzvah gift,

I'm going to bring like a troop, like, a troop, a Cirque de Soleil-esque thing to the Bat Mitzvah. And looking back, they were also, like, shirtless men, like, dancing around my Motzvah. It was, like, odd, you know? Well, you're a woman now. Yeah, exactly. It's time to celebrate.

I think, yeah, it was crazy. So I think that was, like, yeah, my Bat Mitzvah, there was, like, a seafood tower. It was, it was going off. And I was like, I think that's the moment where I was like, oh, this is not quite normal, but it's okay. Yeah. That's fine. Play the hand you're dealt.

Play the hand you're dealt. Were you a child musical prodigy? Absolutely not. When did you start taking a little? lessons and what were you what did you start on I started on piano well I started singing and I was like I was really good at that I'm I'm a good singer that's probably where like I'm still not a prodigy in terms of like a vocalist but I had like a very good voice early on so I started taking voice lessons and then I started taking piano lessons but I hated piano you did yeah I hated it

it was a trade my mom was like if you want your ears pierced you have to take piano lessons for like five years and I was which was also a an insane trade. I was like, well, that's crazy. But I did it. And I hated the piano lessons. What if you wanted your nipple pierce? What do you think she would have put on the table? Like, I have no idea that I probably would have done it. No. Do you like the piano now? Oh, yeah. I love it. I love it so much. It's the best. I don't know to play. Well, I force my son to take lessons. That's good. No, you should. You should offer a trade. I don't know. I just, I just, he's at an age where he just does what he's told. Oh, that's good. That's

great. I never was, I had and there was no age where I did what I was told. Oh, were you a bad kid? No, no, no, no. I just was. Was your dad like up at night worrying about you? At a certain point, yeah, like when your kids become teenagers. And you're in Hollywood. Were you going out in Hollywood as a teenager? No, not as a teenager. Maybe, kind of.

Yeah. Like when I read stories about bands, you know, like the doors and you see Jim Morrison, he's like, oh, I got 12 years old. And I'm just like, oh, no, this is just tragic. But if my kid could be Jim Morrison, would I? I take him dine at 27. And I'll be honest with it, I don't like the answer that I would give. So I'm not going to answer it out loud.

Yeah, perfect. We'll be right back. Are you a singer that had to smoke cigarettes because you wanted your voice to sound a stupid way? No, I, no, I didn't. I chose, like, weed, really. Yeah. That doesn't have the same effect on the vocals, does it? I don't know.

I don't think so. Nobody talks about gummies. That's true. I need to have some edibles so that my voice has this cool grab. I just think it's... No, no. Is that still a thing? Musicians think they need to smoke.

I don't think they need to smoke, but I think there's like... They like it. It's like there's something about like the mentality of like a smoke break and like, I don't know, like a studio break where you just like smoke. But they actually think it makes their voice sound different. And it does, right? It doesn't... Yeah.

People want that like hardened, graveled. And some of, I mean, the best singers, most famous singers in the world, like all smoked. So there's definitely something. Oh, really? Big smoker. Actually? No.

Okay, I was going to say, I was going to say. What's your favorite instrument to play? Maybe like a synth, like a keyboard, synth. I don't know. I love synths. Is there a difference between a keyboard and a synthesizer? Well, yeah. I mean.

There is. I don't know. I know nothing about music. Well, keyboard is like a general umbrella term. Okay. But a synthesizer is a type of keyboard. Okay. that has oscillators and you can create different types of sounds.

In case there are gearheads watching, which I can't imagine there are, what's the coolest piece of music equipment that you own? Ooh, mm-mm-mm-mm. I have a lot of weird little, like, cheapy gadgets, like cassette players that are modded so that like warps the cassettes. But I think the coolest piece of gear, I have a Fender Rhodes, 72 that I got from my jazz piano teacher. and it's like sparkly blue and it's just gorgeous and it's in like pristine condition

and it's amazing and that's definitely like the coolest thing I have. Do you collect a lot of junk around your house then? In my studio, yeah, I have. It's too much. Is the studio on property? Yeah. Oh, man. It's a lot.

It's like keyboards. Does your husband enjoy that? He is just constantly moving shit around. Oh, do you allow him to touch? Well, no, for me. I'm like, hey, this has to go in the car because, you know, we're going from rehearsal. More of a roadie than a husband.

Yeah, he's a roadie. Oh, my God. He's, so stage door Johnny is like a term of, like, back in the day, like, my mom taught us this term because when she was on Broadway, the boyfriends who would wait by the stage door were called stage door Johnny. I love it. So when my husband and I were first dating, we would call him stage door Johnny, like, because he was always at my shows, like, loading in and out cases. But he heard it as stage de Johnny, and he thought it was like an Italian, like, stage de Johnny. And it was like, no, no, this is. This is stage door Johnny.

And we eventually like filled him in. Filled him in. But we still call him stage to Johnny now because now it's like a fun pizza delivery boy. Yeah, it's great. Does your husband play? He plays a saxophone. Like Johnny Cusack. Yeah, probably.

Yeah, exactly like that. Yeah, but he's not, he's in real estate. So he's not like, that's not his. That's so much sexier to me. Yeah, he's. If I'm going to be honest with you. He's super sexy. You've lived in L.A. Maui and P.

Yes. Why not Little Rock? Right. Arkansas? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Nothing ever brought me there. I enjoy so much touring the B and C-tier towns. And I'm about ready to go on the detour, which is just awful. But do you enjoy it? I think in certain places I really love, like certain cities I've come to just love that I don't think I would have spent time in otherwise. Like, Austin is amazing.

Oh, brother. You don't like Austin? like Austin. Okay. Okay. But here's my gripe with it. Yeah, you obviously have one. Well, sure, because they've had, you know, everybody's like floods, leaving L.A. to go to Austin. Okay, whatever. Sure. Everybody, oh, they're leaving to go to Texas. No, they're leaving to go to the one liberal city in your shitty redneck state. Every time somebody talks about a hole in the wall town, it's the one town in this red state that's blue. Yeah, well, of course.

Right. Name me one super conservative city that everybody's like, you've got to spend time here. Good luck. Yeah, I know I'm with you on that. Athens, Georgia, bright blue. Yeah. Any city that you're like, that's the good city in this Republican state.

Oh, it's because it's not. By the way, I turn everything into politics, but this is a political podcast. And by the way, that's fine. And you should have known that going in. I align with you. I'm right there with you. I shouldn't have said Austin.

That's fine. I get triggered so quickly lately. He's just living rent free in my head, guys. Yeah. What's your specialty now in music? Are you focusing on your band? What's the name of your band? Little Monarch.

It's a problem. Is that your band name or is it your name? It's like a project. You know, like a moniker. People have like Tame and Paula, for instance, is like Kevin Parker's like project. And do you still work on this concept? Not constantly, but I put out an album a couple years ago and now I'm working on another record.

By yourself? Or with the whole, do you like sit with the group? No, I bring different collaborators in to produce or write with me. So it's your project. You control everything. I do. Do you prefer performing over producing? That's hard. I like doing both. I really like production. I like to be in the studio. I like to be kind of taking a song or someone's song or demo and seeing it through to the end. Like I love that. But what about the audience and the energy? Oh, no. It's great. It's like a That's addicting. It's amazing. But as you know, like the life of touring and how you get from A to point B of like there is a show that's going to happen. And then the show actually happening is like is a whole lifestyle. You're for that like 90 minutes, you're there's six hours spent on a

bus in a green room. And it's so it's a little bit more taxing on your body. Whereas like I can be home producing music. And that's also a satisfying, but a little bit healthier. I hate the performing part. I'm so excited that that I got to a a place in my career where I could be like, you know, this part of it, the actual part of performing is my nightmare. The rest of the day I'm enjoying. Yeah, yeah. But that's, but listen, I got into a fortunate situation. I don't want to get into that right now. You went to USC. I did. Was that your first choice? Yeah. So close to home. I know. I know. It, it wasn't my first choice. It's hard to say. I think I felt very, like, encouraged to go there by my mom, who's a huge,

football fan and a USC football fan. Okay, talk about their program this year. Fight on. Lincoln Riley, you bind the hype or no? I don't know because I'm obviously not my mother's daughter. She would be literally disowning me right now. She'd be like, I'm so embarrassed of you. No, but yeah, she wanted me to go there. That was like her choice for me. Was Sam your roommate in college ever? Yeah, last year of college. Senior years. Sam, people that don't know, she's Pete who works here. It's his wife. If she's special needs, she sees time. Remember, we had it on this. Do you ever watch her episode on this?

No. Yes, where we just discuss her seeing time and how she sees time. It's all visual in her head and it has places. Oh. Has she ever tried to explain to you? Yeah, she's tried to discuss this. And you just zone out immediately because it's just batch. Yeah, wow.

Yeah, no, she's trying to discuss that. All right, let's go for. So you lived with Sam. What was that experience like in college? It was great. It was brief in college. because she had a boyfriend, sorry, Pete. And she was always with-

Sorry that she had a boyfriend? I don't know. I apologize about that. Yeah, it felt right to say that. Now it feels wrong, so thank you. She was a big blow job girl. Yeah, kind of basically. She was a big slot.

We lived in like a house of 10 people. And at the end of that year, I was like, everyone else, which were all still friends, but I was like, Sam, I know the least, but she seems really cool. I don't know, we both like are, you know, artists and want to do stuff in entertainment and, you know, maybe we should live together. And so I like, was like, hey, do you know, want to like be roommates after this and she said yes and then we live together for like five or

six years after college wait did you live with her when she started working for me yes yes when she started dating Pete I know I well that was the secret relationship because they dated secretly for a yeah they were doing like the Culver city stairs every day and like I don't know what was happening then they broke up for a bit and got back together they don't like to talk about that breakup here I know I know I know Pete does he loves to talk about it yeah okay it's hated Oh my gosh. Did you ever see Pete's nipple ring? What?

Yeah. You're welcome. Does he still have an invite? No, he better not still have it. I can fire him immediately. Oh. Walk me through your song rain process. Okay.

Do you write songs every day? I probably write songs like three to four times a week. Like I'll have sessions. Like you get set up with an artist and a writer and I'm usually the producer in the room. And then we'll write a song for the artist. Process is, it varies. I mean, sometimes people will bring. in ideas that they are starting and then they want to flush out. Most of the time I like to start

with like chords and a bed or a progression that I really like and, you know, a sound or a tone that feels evocative. And then usually I will start to find melodies over it or sometimes there's like a jumping off phrase that we can like pull from. But I'm not like a lyrics first melody second kind of person. I know a lot of people write that way where it's like stream of consciousness they pull from like journal entries. I'm more of like a melody focused. Do you write in a journal? Yeah, but it's not usually music related. I don't know why that makes me a smile. Really? I don't know. Do you write in a journal? Sometimes. Yeah, okay. Jokes. Well, yeah, similarly, it's like, you know, you got to get your ideas out. You ever write country music? It's not my forte, but I have in the past.

I've witnessed a country music writing session. Oh. past. Amazing. How was that? Oh, stupid. Okay. Because every day they just for an hour and they turn out like, well, there's 12 new songs. Yeah. They're fast. I'm like, what the fuck? They're fast. You can't write 12 songs in an hour. And they're just pumping them out. Oh yeah. All of them. There's bounce. Yeah, it's great. One last Sam thing. Sam and I've had an inside joke for way too long. I love this. Anytime we talk about musicians when they finish song and they just, well, that's a hit. Yeah. You just scream, that's a hit.

Yeah, and it's inevitably not a hit. Never a hit. Yeah, it's never a hit. So we always say that whenever we do anything, we're like, oh, that's a hit. But my question is, have you ever written something? I'm like, oh, that's a hit. And it was a hit? Yeah.

I've had a couple of songs do really well, and I did at the time. You knew it at the time. I did know it at the time. I was like, this is good. Like, this is, that's catchy. It felt, it felt authentic. I think that's actually a better compass for, like, what is you should be excited about is if it feels like authentically like really yours.

And those couple moments, I was like, wow, this is unique and unique to me. And then those songs ended up doing the best out of any other songs. And that might have just been like because it was like a transmission of like what I can uniquely bring and write or they were just good songs. By the way, have you written jingles? Yeah. You know Sam's mom used to sing the McDonald's jingle. Oh, yeah.

idolized Sam's mom for like my whole time I've ever known Sam. What kind of jingles have you written? Ooh, well, some are like bespoke and some have been like songs like my project and they just get picked up by different companies. What about cars for kids? Did you write that? Yeah. That's a good one.

1877 cars for kids. That was me. That was me. I was a child when I wrote that actually. I mean, listen, it really stuck. Yeah. That's sticky. If I sing a note, can you harmonize with me?

Probably, yeah. I don't know how to do that. Okay. Come on, Daniel. You can do it. You know who can sing. Who? Eddie.

Okay, yeah, let's go. Eddie, Eddie, you didn't think you went at me. Eddie, Eddie can actually say. But nobody wants to hear me. Three-part harmony. Why not? Oh, three-part harmony. Yeah.

Oh, I'm not doing your dumb thing. Okay. All right. We almost had it. Patreon. On tour. Yeah. What was your role with Gracie?

Gracie Abram. By the way, I never know anybody's names. Okay. I'm so bad at it. Okay. And I don't know who people, but I like to say that I, Discovered Grace Andrews. No, I don't like to say that.

But I did hear one of her songs early on mess it up. Yeah. And I was talking with Sam and I said, Sam, this song is good. And then she lost her shit because she was like, she connected you to it. She's working with her. And I was like, Casey's working with her. I didn't know that. But I was like, this girl can write songs.

Oh, yeah. I was like, she's good. Actually, I remember that because I had just started working with her. Obviously, I wasn't in the demographic to, like, be freaking out about her at the early stages of her career. I know. I'm way older than you. No, I— Okay.

And when Sam was like, Daniel asked me about Gracie, and I was like, really? Like, whoa, okay. It, in a way, really early on legitimized that all for me in a broader way that was like, yeah, she is an amazing songwriter. For you to point that out, I was like, yeah. Thank you. Okay. No. You hear that?

Boom. No, I mean, but she's like above and beyond one of the best. So you're a backup singer. Do they say that? Do they say backup singers? I'm in her band or I've been in her band since she played her first show. So I play keys and I do sing backup. I used to play guitar. I don't play guitar anymore. But I used to kind of jump around. I was what we call like an auxiliary musician. So somebody that can play multiple instruments and kind of jump around. How many people were in that band?

At the time it was three of us. It was her, a drummer and me. And then we have a added a guitar player, and then we eventually added a bass player, and now it's like a five-piece. When you were doing, opening in front of T. Swift. Yeah, no, when it was, for the ERAs tour, it was a four-piece. Still small. Small. And when we did, yeah, we did the Olivia shows, her first, Olivia Rodrigo, her first tour, and we were a three-piece. Olivia Rodriguez.

She just did that, what is it? Daisy Chain Festival. The Daisy Chain Fes. Which is an amazing thing. It raises money for all kinds of women. charities, girls, charities, etc. How am I going to gripe on this? I can't wait.

I know it's coming. So she races and she does this festival. It's every year now. It's in Orange County. It made $10 million. And then Melinda Gait. Melinda swoops in and says, I'll match you, 10 million more. And I'm thinking, wow, that she raised 20 million.

That's amazing. But then I'm like, doesn't it kind of diminish all this work that she does to raise 10 million? million and then you're like ah here I'll give you another 10 I'll give you the exact amount that all this work that you did I'll just cut you it's like well then why did you just fucking cut a check for 20 and let her stay home and not do any of this work well I mean that's my gripe okay my grape is that it just it takes a little bit of the shine when these and I know it's I know it's the bottom line is it's amazing that you got a 20 I just don't like that it's like oh here here's that's cute that you raise 10 million

doing so much work. Here, I'll just write a check for the same amount. I think it's about the awareness. It's about the event. It's about like raising awareness for like Planned Parenthood and all of these things that, you know, if you want to get political, really important to do.

So I think it's really about the awareness. And it happens all the time. I mean, in any kind of charitable situation, you have people coming in. They're like, I'm going to match that donation. I'm going to match that, you know. I never say that because people get, they get out of hand.

They do it in our elementary school. They start saying numbers and I'm like, I'm out. Yeah, well, you know, but I think it's like, you know, you can't. No, it's good. It's good. I just thought it took a little shine away from her and I was just like, I didn't think that was. Oh, man.

That was just my only take. Okay, that's fair. It's not the right take. I know that. More money better. Yeah, more money better. I don't know. It would be really hard to take shine away from Olivia Rodriguez.

That's fair. Like, she's pretty shiny. Do backup singers get jealous? Are you just talking shit the whole time of the lead singer? Like, now, why the fuck them? No. Or is it, or do people like, no, this is just, is this part of the process or are you like, no, I want the end game to be the one in front? No, no. I think like if that's how you feel, you shouldn't be like in a supportive role for artists.

And that's never how I felt with, with Gracie. I think I really from when I was sent her music in like 2021 was like, wow, she is an unbelievable songwriter. And I'm such a fan of songwriting. I love writing. And I just kind of wanted to be a part of whatever she was building. And I, still feel that way. And so, no, I never got jealous or never. Well, no, I made, I didn't mean of her. I just been in general, do backup singers think like, like, oh, what the fuck? This person? I mean, yeah. Because a lot of times the one that's popular is not always the one that's the best. But there's also, like, a lot of backup singers that, you know, it's a great way to make a living being musician and still be involved and be working on your own stuff or however you get there. I mean, Olivia Dean is a great example. She was a backup singer.

for a really long time for this great UK project called Routamental. And then obviously now she's a huge star, but she was doing, you know, work as a side woman, as you would say, like for a long time. You say it's a great way to make a living. What kind of living can you make? I want to, like, like, if you're like a full-time backup singer. It really depends on the gig. It depends on how big the artist is and the budget is.

Do you make residuals? If you're doing TV work, yeah. But not if you're like backup singing on the album. Yeah, it depends. No, not on the album. You could get paid a union rate, but you're not going to have usually publishing or master ownership, which are the two ways you can make money on music in terms of royalties, unless you wrote or produced the song or own part of the master.

Do you do sound checks and all that stuff? Oh, yeah. I don't do any of it. Well, you would just have a microphone. I know. I just tell Pete to talk like me. Yeah, like a microphone is standing in like a water bottle. We have like.

diminish what he does. I'm not. How much time do you guys have to spend pre-show? A couple hours. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's just something. It's something so pure about being a comic and anytime I talk to a musician, I'm like, oh, thank God. Yeah, that's what I meant by that. You have to do so much work. Yeah, you get a setup of, you know, it's very. Taylor, Swift, like will famously tip out bus drivers. Yeah. A hundred or drivers, a hundred grand needs. And I just want to say a huge fuck you to that because it makes, well, now, when I tip my bus driver, you know, a thousand bucks. Yeah. I'm like, oh, that's great.

I know, but he's probably like, oh, I wish I was on a better tour than this poor piece of shit. Have you had a nice, like a really nice tour bus? Oh, yeah. Do you sleep well in it? I do, yeah, because it's very cocoon-like. Yeah, it's a coffin. It's a coffin, yeah. And it, like, just rocks you to sleep.

I sleep really well. Like, I sleep like the dead in tour buses. And most people don't, but yeah, I sleep really well. I'm happy. I love a tour bus. Yeah, me too. I love to be rocked to sleep. It's like you're back in the womb.

You're just like, oh. Wake up in the next town. Yeah. Wake up in the next town. Do you guys drive after shows? Sometimes. It just depends on the routing. Sometimes we'll get, you know, we're in like staged in the parking lot and we'll

get back on the bus. But buses tend to not roll until like 2, 3 a.m. But then you'll kind of feel the bus. I usually can't sleep until the bus starts moving. Do you guys have a hard nobody's going number two in the bus? Oh, yeah. No, no. Can't do that?

Can you on your bus? No, no, we don't. Okay. Unless Eddie breaks the seal. Oh, sure. I'm sure it's Eddie and not you. Only once. Oh, really?

Only once. Wow. One time I never have. Okay. I make sure. You know, we'll have to pull over, but occasionally. Yeah. One time I got off the bus, it was just parked in a parking lot.

and there was a bunch of gentlemen outside of my bus filming a rap video. Oh, sure. And they were using my bus as a prop. And I was like getting out of the bus in the middle of a shot and they were annoyed that they had to reshoot it. And I just walked away. You're like, this is my bus.

Yeah, I know. But they didn't care. They just wanted me to move. And they continued to shoot their video. And I was like, all right. Did you ever find the full video? No, I didn't look. When P's wife Sam came to see you perform at,

Sofi Stadium during the era's tour. Yeah. She left during Taylor Swift's set. Was that disrespectful to Taitay? See, I didn't even know that. And no, I mean, you know, you gotta. A little disrespectful. A little bit.

It just depends on when she left in the set. You better not have left during that Willows shit, because I love that. Yeah, same. Oh, my God. Give me that folklore. Oh, I agree. That's my era. That is my folklore evermore.

Like, that is when I was like, okay, I'm all in for this. You partner up with Bonavare. I'm in. Yeah, 100%. Do you hate when people, family, friends come to see you perform? No, not anymore. Not since I've like, you know, am playing really legitimate shows where it's like sold out arenas and stadiums.

I'm like, please come and so that you'll never be like, hey, how's the music thing going? Because I hate that question. Oh, so you like to rub it in their face? No, I just like to squash the, I like to squash it. I'm like, you know, but if it were like back in the day, like 10, 12 years ago and I was like playing, I was like, I'd be like, please don't come. But then I also needed them to come because no one else was coming. You've done the dirty traveling around in the van type thing.

Yeah, yeah. And that's always where I always kind of mocked musicians as a struggling comedian. It's like, shut up. You've got people do that alone in a Honda Civic. No, that's horrible. Take your sprinter, shrink it down, and it's just the depression just mounts. Oh, I can't even imagine. Oh, it's awful.

Yeah. It gets to a good point of like, oh, we're going to do it. Yeah. I'm either going to sell some tickets or kill myself tonight. Yeah, for sure. I could see that. I mean, it's, yeah, who you're going to go and get weird shit at the gas station with, you know? Yourself.

You do it yourself. I do it yourself. No, I couldn't do that. Now I'm pooping on the side of the road because of that weird gas station food. 100% and you're alone and that must that be weird. How long have you been on tour? We started in 2021 and it's kind of been ongoing since then. So like five years.

Are you going to continue for another five years? You know, I would love to. I'm still, I'm more involved in the show now, helping, like, MD and arrange the show. So it's really fun to work from all angles on, like, her music and career. In your industry, how hard is it for women to both have a career and a family? Well, since I don't have a family yet, it's hard. Well, you have a, I mean, kind of. I mean, yeah, but, like, I don't have my own kids, yeah.

Uh-huh. I would say it's really hard. At least it's, you know, it takes, like, 10 plus years to kind of, like, like, really get where you need to be or where I wanted to. And then by that time, you're like, oh, and biological clock is like ticking. And no one really sets you up for that or kind of cares in a way to suggest like fertility preservation earlier. And so then you kind of, you know, by the time like now I'm like, okay, we're trying to start a family and we're spending all of the money that I've made on like, you know, fertility stuff, which is expensive. Yeah.

No, it's horrible. It's horrible. It's literally horrible. Like, yeah. I did it for years. Oh, I'm. But it's always, it's, it's, it's such a horrible thing for you to have to go through any fertility troubles. And then the husband, you know, it's horrible. But you just feel so helpless.

Yeah. And, and you're like, well, it's. Yeah. You know, you hope it's your problem. You hope it's the man's, but it's usually not. Usually it's not. Well, it can be. I mean, I can't speak to that.

But has he, has he been checked? Yeah. He's all good. Right. Yeah, it's like, you know, women as you get older, there's a... And by older, you're talking not older. Yeah, like mid-late 30s. All of a sudden you're...

And they don't say geriatric pregnancy anymore. Did you know that, Ed? Hmm. They used to say geriatric pregnancy at 36. Yeah. Now it's advanced maternal age. Yes, which also kind of sucks, too. Yeah, it's not good.

Advanced maternal age. What are we talking about here? Like, yeah. Well, you know what I want to give you? I'm going to, this is just real. Okay, great. We had all the, every problem in the world. Nothing was going to work.

You know, the bad, it's like Ivy ever nothing type stuff. And then she quit her job and we were just, you know, we needed to take a break from trying. Yeah. And she got trash. She fell into a septic tank, but that's not part of the story. What? Yeah, it was, it's construction. Doesn't matter.

This is her story to share, not mine. She fell into a septic tank? Yeah, yeah. Well, the problem was that we were, it was empty, it was drained. It was a clean, new one. It was on a construction site. She was just inside of it. And she was hanging.

We were, the construction worker and I were up talking. We couldn't hear her screams. Regardless, we both think that it jarred something loose in her. Because after that, we went to France and she got trashed every day for like a few weeks. And then she came back pregnant. So we're like, boom. Yeah. Holy shit.

Yeah, definitely was a septic tank. It wasn't like going to France and having fun. Getting trashed, drinking wine every day, quit her job, was in France, fell into a septic tank. And that was the perfect cocktail. force. Okay, great. I'll try it. That's not the cocktail. Yeah, write it down. No, don't write that down. This, this woman in Santa Monica is the woman that Carly, my wife, gives all the credit to. She's a doctor of Chinese medicine. Okay. And she, she went, when this woman met my wife, she says, you give me three months and I'll get

you pregnant. Wow. And my wife is like, okay, my wife's not into this stuff too much. And she was like, it was acupuncture, it's all this stuff. But, uh, this. This, this. This specific woman who I am seeing next week, she's going to make me stop clenching my jaw at night. And she's like, I'll fix your stomach too. I'm like, all right, whatever. Oh, for sure. But she was like, I can do it. She goes, I can fix you.

So wait. I'm going to send you this. Okay, great. And you're going to, this person is going to. Okay, fix me. Maybe. I'm going to go find a septic tank. It's going to work out for me.

Were you diagnosed with IBS? At a certain point, yes. said I went to the IBS center in Santa Monica. There is a center. Yeah, there's a center. I've never gone anywhere. Well, that's probably why you still have it. Yeah, it is.

Okay. I don't, I, I, I, be psychosomatic, too. I know how to control it and know how to perform and then not affect my life. Okay. But, I mean, it involves some real, you know, strict rules. Yeah. Has your stomach ever affected you on stage?

Not on stage, but like before. You get a little nervous and you're like, oh, what's going on? I've been in a bathroom when I heard. heard my introduction happening. Oh, for sure. And I'm like, well, I'm not coming out there. Yeah, unfortunately, like, the tour manager for Gracie, who's like my best friend, I'm always like, oh, I got to do my pre-show poop because it's just like a good luck thing that I have. It's better than vomiting. Yeah, that's true. Let's be clear. Yeah, that's true. But I don't, I don't eat like five hours before shows. Oh. Can you eat before a show? Yeah. Okay, then you don't have

what I have. Well, yeah, maybe not. I get destroyed. Yeah. If I eat 30 minutes before shows, oh, The show the show is not happening. Oh, not 30, but like an hour. Because catering's only, there's only a specific window for catering. Well, you said you fixed your IBA. How did you, how did you fix it? Well, at the time I did like, they put you on a protocol. They put you on like vitamins and supplements and tell you what your food allergies are.

So you went in and had all the tests done? Yeah, it's like a, it's not that. How many times you'd have to go back in? It was one blood test. It was like a blood test and you do like a, you know, a test. Okay. And then, yeah, it's not that. And then they send you like a whole thing and that was it.

I went in for celiac testing and they kept, they made me go back like so many times. I said I'm out and I stopped. Oh, really? And I didn't, but that was a long time ago. Why? I don't know. That's weird. I just kept testing.

Oh. I don't like to go to doctors very, more than once. I'm with you. I'm with you on that. So what? You're just on a whole regimen of vitamins and everything? Yeah. Every day.

Oh, well, no, because you heal it. It's like a three to six month protocol and then you heal it. And then you're good. You kind of avoid the certain food. What do you have to avoid? I have to avoid, like, dairy. Okay, see, I'm down. Yeah.

Just like that amount. Yeah, okay. And that's okay. And then I have to be on the side of the road occasionally. Occasionally. Or, like, at Sam's door at, like, 3 a.m. That was, okay, here's how little you know of this. Three a.m. is not even in the ballpark.

Okay. It was like 9.30 p.m. Yeah, no. Actually, that's right. It was 9.30 p.m. and they were still fast to sleep. I know, I know, I know. That actually is totally right.

It was probably like nine, and she's dead asleep. And I think that's not even a bad scenario. If I can make it to somebody's home and wake them up from bed to use their bathroom, that's dream scenario for me. That's ideal. You're right. We'll be right back. Do you actually surf? Yeah, I do.

You live in Venice. I do, yeah. That wave is such garbage. It is garbage. Yeah, it's not the best. Do you travel to surf ever? Yeah, I usually go to first point. Okay.

Yeah. All right. Which is a great wave. One of the best. It is. And this summer has been. Oh, my God. Incredible.

And the temperature. I know. It's amazing. It's just perfect. It is perfect. And there's going to be a swall this weekend. It's going to be great. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. What is the biggest hurdle for musicians today? And is AI a real worry? Mm. Those are two questions that are very different, really. What is the biggest hurdle for musicians? I mean, I think it's always a matter of being able to stick it out long enough and be consistent enough to really get to where you want to go. And that is hard because it just, I have.

I think it takes a while to really accomplish and get where you need to go. I agree with that completely, though. That's like the long runway of being in entertainment, especially being in music, is sometimes not sustainable for people. And they just can't, they don't, you know, have a safety net. They don't have, I don't know, it's just not happening quickly enough. So they usually give up. And I think that that's a huge thing.

That's really the only thing I'll ever really attest to like getting from point A to point B to C for myself was like, I just was like relentlessly not giving up, okay, I'll try this, okay, I'll do this, oh, I'll work with this. And it's just been constantly, you know. I agree. I mean, show business is so stupid. And I always say if you just never quit, eventually you'll get to a place where you'll either get opportunities or you'll be like, oh, this is, this is my path and this is okay where I'm at. Yeah. But everyone gives up.

Everyone gives up. Well, that is. And they should. They have to. Yeah. I think there's something, there's something to be. said for that too about like okay if it's not working it's not working but eventually like if doors do open for you and they're just not the doors that you thought you were going to walk through like

you might want to still walk through that's what happened for me I wasn't like oh I'm going to be a music producer and an MD and all these things but I those that was the direction that was going and you know where the money was happening and so I kind of started walking through the doors that were opening and I think that's I think that's a big harder than any other version of being an adult oh 100 percent What about AI? Can I just tell AI just write me a hit song? I mean, I don't really think that. I don't think it's threatening songwriting.

I mean, I think a lot of people. What about the voice? Creating the perfect singing voice. That is definitely very scary. It can sound alike. And, you know, there's a lot of copyright infringement and things that are happening. I don't personally use it. It's, you know, it's around. But I think the fun of making music and producing and writing is like, maybe this is going to sound horrible, but like being worse than a computer, like I think that that's actually what's fun about it is like the headache of getting to the finished product.

And if you use AI, it's like, well, then what's the point? I don't have a job. And it's not like, oh, I don't have a job I'm making money. I don't have the thing that is really fun for me to do, which is sit and tinker with friends in a studio with instruments and like get it wrong and then get it right. Like, so I think for my personal experience, it's not, I'm not afraid of AI because I'm never going to give up the process of what I like to do. But I think music creation and, you know, for kind of property and people's name and not name and likeness, but sound and likeness, it can, yeah, it's dangerous and it's a slippery slope for sure. Everybody that's on show gets a gift.

Ooh. It's just stuff that's around my house. Okay, cool. Okay. Love that. There's a coffee table book. Ooh. Okay.

It's nice. Fun. That's personalized. I love it. Thank you. These are some ovulation tests. Incredible. Don't need those.

But thank you. You never know. I might. I might. Thank you. I have so many of these. My house looks like. I told my wife,

I go, why are we still having an ovulation test? Because you just never know. And no, I'm, I got fixed. You got fixed. I was like, that's it. Yeah,

that stress is. We did it. One more septic tank away from a whole. Get that off my desk, please. Okay. Perfect. Well, I got,

I got another gift for you. Oh, okay. I hope it's a baby. I hope it's a child. Oh my God, wait. It's a surfboard. And this is a custom board for me. Wait, what?

That you don't use? No, no. See, it says for Daniel. Well, yeah. There's a nine, six. This is a quiet flight is a brand from my home town in Florida. And during the fires, when I lost a lot of stuff in the fires. in the Wowsley in 2018, a bunch of my boards burned.

And they were sweet enough to send me some replacement boards. And I'll be honest with you, this one I don't love. I don't really longboard that often. Yeah, I was going to say. And this has like these tricked out rails. Wow. But this is nice. No, it's a nice board.

Is this actually for me? Yeah, it's for you. And so you have a, and it's been ridden. I've ridden this a bunch. I just don't need another longboard taking up space in my house right now. Wow, I'll take it. No, I know. You're going to take it.

Okay, thank you. I've got straps for you and everything. Wow, I have my truck so I can just throw it in the back. Perfect. Wow, that's very generous of you. Oh, it's not that generous. Okay, you're just like, you're like, oh my God, incredible. You've been in Los Angeles so much of your life.

You think you're going to stay here or no? I think I will stay here. You know, I can't leave Sam. You'll move other places. You'll just always have a place here. Yeah, maybe. I feel like I'll always be in L.A. I would live other places, but I think I'll always end up here. My whole family's here and I don't know. I just, I really love it here too. I love it too. We have such a good, you know. But my parents, you know, they don't have a cool house. How come your parents have never invited me over for Thanksgiving? You're welcome to come this year. Seems like that was four years. I feel like you would turn it down, but that's. I am going to turn it down this year. Okay, well, there was an invite. I have to be somewhere this year. Pete always goes.

Every year he's talking about your. Every year. That's our tradition. He just loves Thanksgiving in your parents' house. It's not Thanksgiving without, yeah, that's what they bring. It's not Thanksgiving without Pete and Sam there. Like, we've been doing this for a long time. All right, Casey, thank you for being on the show. Thanks for having me.

And thanks for all the gifts, you know? Oh, yeah, you're welcome. Wow, this is amazing. This is like, what a treat. I want to thank Casey for being on the show. I can't wait until she's headline. at SoFi. And Taylor Swift is opening for her.

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for dinner. This is a sophisticated French American. All right? Go ahead. Eddie, what's your prediction? Like noodles and potato chips. Mm-hmm. That's in his wheelhouse to eat noodles and potato chips. Okay, that's your guess. Pete, do you have a guess? I'm doing a hot dog with a slice of American cheese melted on it, no bud. Mm-hmm. Okay. Now, he wouldn't call it a hot dog. He would say a sausage, but it's a hot dog. All right, what do you got? I got some kind of sausage and, macaroni with ketchup or see you guys you guys know him too well the photo that he sent me

it was confusing i have to stay at it for a while yes it was a sausage it had a smear of a mustard yellow mustard then it appeared to have some type of mashed potatoes over the whole thing uh maybe some cheese sprinkled on top of that that's that's his meal his big meal of the day arguably the grossest thing any human has ever consumed.

So I just don't understand the range of the French, from so sophisticated to downright garbage dumpsters. Well, I want to thank Calhsi for sponsoring that meal. It's nice. We have some plugs. We got the patreon.com slash toss show. you are still getting a free seven-day trial. Okay?

There you go. That may never expire. My first farewell tour is on sale, and I'm looking forward to the final leg. Oh, because once that leg is complete, then tickets will go on sale for my second farewell tour. Right on. No, I'm kidding. That's probably going to be it for me. Toshoshostore.com, if you want to get some merch.

All right, let's get to business. hit the music. They love me, they love me not. What do you got for me, Eddie? Okay, here we go. At the DeWalt Boy. The DeWalt Boy? The DeWalt Boy.

What's the he want? I don't know. Let's hear. Tosh could do a separate weekly sportist podcast, and it would be better than anything currently out there. Better than anything out there? Anything. Huh?

Well, that's nice. That's a great suggestion to do a weekly sports podcast. It might be a little too much for me right now. Maybe I'll do it quarterly. Okay? Mm-hmm. maybe monthly but I also since this is a political podcast I also thought I should do a religious podcast oh I like this uh-huh you know just get to hear another side uh-huh of me you guys want to be

a part of my religious podcast yes okay well first you got you got to prove you got to prove yourself okay what religion what do you believe in Dylan we're gonna drink something real quick uh-huh now now I'm listening Dylan's in Yeah, if there was a bunch of Kool-Aid put out, Dylan come up so quick. I'm like, wait, that was for the whole cold. And he's like, oh, shit. I thought it was crystal light with vodka.

I drank them all. Bright red tongue. Ah, you're not going to kill me that easy. Starts running around. He's got a tolerance. What else you got? They let me not? Let's hear it.

Here we go. At Silver Psycho, 5150. The Silver Psycho? Yeah. Anybody that has the name Psycho in their name is like I don't want that person to like me

Well here you go I am poor I hit no tip all the time Fuck Malibu and everyone that lives there Oh come on You know fuck everyone That's a lot of fucking

That guy You guys got a problem Can't just come here And have sex with all of us Can't afford to tip There's children that live here Jesus Okay so he does

He hits no tip all that I said, I don't care what you do in your fucking town. I'm saying if you can afford to live in Malibu, you can afford to give a tip. And by the way, when I was poor, I was a good tipper. Nobody ever became so successful because, like, you know how I made my millions? By fucking never tipping anybody when I got a drink. There you go. Every bar, I never gave him a single cent extra.

That's how I made my millions. and I know there are really rich people that don't tip at all either, and they're fucking awful. They're just horrible people. I stand by what I'm saying. Right, Carl? You tip. I love you for it. See you next week.