Triforce! - Triforce! #157: The Simp, The Virgin, The Incel

Episode Date: December 23, 2020

Triforce! Episode 157! Sips found some late 2020 passion in Call of Duty Zombies and Lewis laments the loss of Simp, Virgin and Incel from Twitch chat! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, everyone. Good morning. Welcome to this Triforce podcast, which will probably be going out over the Christmas time. Wow. And my doorbell is just ringing. Hang on a second. It's all right. Perfect timing. We can fill.

Perfect timing. We can fill. How have you been this week, Sips? I've been not as sick as you this week, it sounds like. You sound a little bit raspy. Oh, just something. I came in on Monday. I started to feel poorly.

I think it was Monday. Yeah, it was Monday. I just sort of woke up and I just thought, oh, God. Like on Sunday, I thought I could feel a hint of something coming on, you know, when you get that coldy inbound sort of feeling. And then Monday, it was like, yeah, I actually am sick. Yeah. It's the worst feeling, isn't it?

When you get that drip at the back of your throat leading up to like a full. You know it's coming. Yeah. Sorry. I'm back. Oh, man, that's worse. It's all right. And I i i had that thing where you know you know when you have a headache and it just seems like the outside of your head it's like yeah surface yeah headache and then um scratchy voice and and people everyone in chat is like oh my god it's covid it's covid i don't

have a cough or a temperature so it just I guess, that the common cold is stronger than COVID, I'm guessing. It's just, how is it? How? Is it more infectious? It must have a bigger trans... You know what I mean? You must have, like, each of these things, like, once you get a certain amount of people vaccinated with COVID, right, it won't be able to spread because there'll be, like, too much herd immunity. That's kind of how disease works, right?

But I guess the common cold... There's a new strain of it of it apparently did you hear about this new who knows new deadly strain i don't yeah they said that previously affect the vaccinations though because it's the same thing with the flu jab like i think that if you can still get enough people protected even even if even if the vaccine isn't as strong against the different strain it'll still be it'll reduce the sort of what the r number if you like how much it can spread like how many people spread it to other people i mean isn't the main thing with the cold that there's like loads and loads and loads of little cold viruses out there just extant all the time chilling and there's like because of the type of it's not a virus is it the cold is i don't know what it is it is yeah it's a virus is it a

virus yeah so when people say i have a cold why don't they say i have a virus some people do you hear that more so in the uk it's like uh you know they say i've got some sort of virus or whatever they don't necessarily just default at cold but a virus to me is something you can treat with antibiotics whereas a cold is something you can't. Like, so I thought there was a difference. It very specifically isn't antibiotics. Bacterial infections. So when I have a chest infection, is that bacteria in my body? Yes, usually.

Well, it depends. That can be caused by a virus. It's complicated. That's what I'm saying. It is complicated. Anyway. Anyway, listen, I have a COVID story for you guys. Let's hear it.

If you would like to hear it. This is the first time I think I've been affected by COVID beyond the sort of general lockdown or whatever. We're currently in full isolation and we have been for a couple of days because my son was in contact with somebody last Monday, not like, sorry, the Monday before last. They think that he was on a bus with somebody who has subsequently tested positive for COVID and was therefore directly in contact with this person and is now being forced to isolate. And I have to take him to be tested today. I have to take him to have a test. It's a day 10 test to see if he's positive or negative.

I don't want to hear the story about that. My eldest has been, her entire year has been sent home for the last week of school. So she's home and she's homeschooling. And because a couple of kids in her year of tested positive, we're keeping my youngest home from school as well, because obviously, she shares a room with her sister. And we're all just kind of staying at home. I mean, I've been self isolating since March anyway, as much as possible, just living indoors, like I'm saying the sips, I don't know how I got a cold, I don't leave the house, but they do. But if you

go to school, they bring stuff back, right? Exactly. There's still stuff floating around. But so that's why we're keeping them home because, you know. Yeah. So in my son's case, he's on this bus. They use this bus to take them up to do swimming every Monday. Right, right.

And they've identified that whoever has gone on test positive for COVID was on the same bus. Right. So everybody who was on that bus has to isolate. But the rest of his class doesn't. So half of his class or like three quarters of his class are still going back to school, you know, operating normally or whatever.

And it's just the kids that were on the bus that are now having to isolate but we've only found out about this like seven eight days after the fact right so like i don't know it feels like he had the whole rest of the week at school uh with all the other kids in his class like um he had the whole weekend like he went up to see right of course he went up to see his granny and stuff. We went to town. We did a whole bunch of stuff on the weekend because obviously we had no idea. We were just sort of carrying on as usual. And then went to school on Monday even, this Monday. And then at the end of the day on Monday,

they contact us and they're like, oh yeah, he's got to isolate. He's going to have to go get a test and stuff. You guys will all have to isolate with him. He can't leave the house, nothing. And it's like i i get it like i i know that kids are aren't like able to spread it as easily or whatever but it just feels like the the time that it takes for somebody to show symptoms to then test them to then get a result and everything i feel like if my son does have it which i don't actually think

he does have it right but he might i mean it's possible and if he does i feel like he would have spread it around to a ton of people yeah it's already already you know what i mean like it feels like i it feels like i get that they're doing like the best that they can given the circumstance or whatever but i like part of me also thinks like holy crap i can see how it's spreading so much you know what i mean it's just like impossible to um it's impossible to isolate people from it like yeah it's in an appropriate amount of time you know yeah i mean it's it's obvious there's lots of reasons why it's problematic and i think some of it is the fact that some people don't show symptoms when they're sick yeah i think some people are more more resistant to the symptoms well and they're more they're like i don't i'm

not really sick it's just a little cough you're more they're like i don't i'm not really sick it's just a little cough you know or something like that they don't have it as severely and so you know i think those are the sort of super spreader people who end up causing these bloody super spread because out of their own ignorance though they don't they don't realize that they sick and but before there was no way to even test you know um there was no way for you even to think oh well maybe i am sick maybe i should you know especially if if you're like well if your boss is like well you know you're coming in or else you're gonna lose your job yeah that sort of stuff's very tough to deal with isn't it like you know there's no if you're not given an out i guess like the vaccines come in though which is

interesting here in the uk anyway we were the first people to approve this vaccine. And we've been jabbing old folks left, right, and center. Yeah, they've even started rolling it out here in Jersey. There's a couple of old people. Who did they do? They did Ian McKellen this morning, apparently. So I reckon we need to get all the other national treasures sorted out. We need to get Dame Helen Mirren, Stephen Fry. Stephen Fry.

Richard Attenborough needs one. Oh, my God. David Attenborough. Richard Attenborough's dead oh yeah sorry i always get the um that's all right take him up he's a treasure judy dench trevor mcdonald um barbara windsor was unfortunately died this week yeah she's passed away unfortunately has the queen been done oh god i'm sure she's been filming yeah i don't i think she's she's likely been done but you won't hear about it until,

if ever, until like long after the fact, right? Is Dale Winton still alive? Dale Winton, I don't think he is actually. I think he died, didn't he? I'm pretty sure he passed away. Yeah, he did. He died two years ago. No way.

Yeah, he was looking really rough. I don't know what he died of, but I remember- Let's get all the judges. He did like some Dale goes to Florida show or something and man I couldn't believe it he looked like he was on his way out even in that he just looked awful we gotta get the entire the entire cast and crew this wasn't that old you know he was only like he he was he's born in 1972 he's only eight years older than me it's like he's

had a hard life yeah no he wasn't he was he was 62 when he died he was born in 1955 Dale Winton are you looking are you looking at Dale the chipmunk or Dale Winton Dale Winton oh sorry he was born 1950 oh sorry years active I was looking at right on wikipedia sorry yeah David Jason we need to he's still alive still going I thought David Jason's still alive yeah he's still going he's 80 he looks 80 as well what about Maggie Smith is she still going

Paul McCartney Paul McCartney's still going Ringo as well Ringo's 80 now good lord you can't do Paul and not do Ringo right no I'm saying

let's do Ringo and not do Paul George Harrison died didn't he yeah yeah he died a long time ago he was the best of them 2001

Joanna Lumley is she still going she's still I feel like every national treasure i also say are they still going yeah joanna lumley's still going um liz hurley can we get liz hurley still going yeah oh please nigella god nigella christ these are important because if we lose any of these folks we're gonna britain's gonna be crushed daily you know i think it's more important for daily still going man is test daily ever going that's what i'm saying we got to protect that i reckon we don't even like i reckon we don't even bring him in to inject him we just do one of those

tranquilizer darts you know that they just hunt them down and zap them test daily looks like she's 20 it's crazy and she's like 50 or something she's she's uh she's a hottie she's uh she's married to that lad vernon k isn't she yeah yeah yeah he's a prick he cheated on her too yeah don't give him the injection give her the injection vernon you're not getting it okay i'm sorry to say you can't you can't treat someone like that and then expect to get a vaccination i mean it just doesn't work like that. I think I'm looking forward to a time when it goes back to normal and I'm sure everyone else is as well.

I think I hate how they say the new norm and the new normal and stuff like that. I hate all these new words that have come off the back of COVID shielding and bubbling and the new normal and blah, blah, blah. But I think it's going to take a really

really really long time to get back to a hundred percent normal you know what i mean if ever i think i i i really want to know how i've not really watched any soaps lately but i assume like tv soaps are dealing yeah they well they have to incorporate it in most soaps are based well british soaps at least are based in some form of present day reality right so they usually um will try to tackle topics like like eastenders for example i don't really watch it my wife watches it but there's always there's always like yeah they have to tap into the real world they do yeah yeah but there's always like at the end of certain episodes if they've dealt with like you know mental health or something yeah they have that if anything in this show has affected you you can call this hotline to speak

to somebody or whatever and i think it's the same with covid i think when you call that hotline it's a recording by one of the cast members in character like it's all right mate thanks for calling the hotline i heard you've been having trouble with your mental health come down to the calf and me and grant will sort it right out with you yeah yeah it is i think it is a bit like money to some bald cunt well you better pay that fucking money back you prick or else we'll fucking come over here we'll mug you right off we'll mug you right off so we'll mark you yeah i think it is i think it's a bit like that but yeah i think um I think they've just basically, because they do have to distance while filming and wear masks and stuff,

I think they've incorporated a lot of it into the actual shows. Well, two things. First of all, Tom Cruise in rare likable mode, bollocking crewmates for not wearing their masks on the set of Mission Impossible. Rare likable mode. That was like one of those fucking... I listened to that Tom Cruise audio where he was going off on one of the crew and it was just like...

It was excellent. It was mad. I was with him. It was madness, though. It was so aggressive and so unnecessary and so crazy. I get it. I have a feeling he's under a lot of pressure

because they can get shut down like that here listen hold on i don't know if the mic picked up my finger snap like that because if they get spotted yeah if they're spotted uh fucking it up there goes the whole movie and he's right that the industry is you know is this possible to make a big budget action movie with a megastar like tom Cruise? Is it possible under these restrictions? So this is like a big test case, and some dingus fucking it up. I'm with Tom, actually.

Are people on the side of Tom Cruise for that rant? I am. I think he's right. That rant. Tom Cruise. That's very ranting. Tom Cruise has done a rant. Mr. Cruise ranting. What was the other thing i was gonna say oh yeah why why is it you said soap operas tend to be set in our reality i would like one that was set in a very slightly different reality well i'm saying spells and magic i'm saying yeah look no further than i guess like

um the archers like the um the the radio one one is a little bit like, that's not set. I don't know if that's meant to be hyper-realistic. I mean, most soaps aren't, but I think The Archers is like, it feels to me like it's a little bit more of a, I don't know, like an idealistic view of life. Right, but I'm saying I want it to be like an alternate history timeline where they're like, wow, can you believe that the crankies are now the leaders of the free world? Right. Or something like that.

I want it to go. And then we explore that alternate reality, but through the lives of ordinary people having ordinary problems in what is now a world run by giant centipedes or something well i mean i think you're asking for a lot there i'm not sure that any demographics on this earth are ready for that all right i guarantee you i guarantee you more people yeah would watch it the crankies well i mean you're you're probably right like i think i think if they would even just put out a pilot i think they'd be amazed by the reception that's all i'm saying give it a go give it a good old-fashioned try to say it but so many tv shows have borrowed from soaps that they almost become them anyway you know i think

a lot of people for you know always said like you know star trek deep space nine was just like a soap on a space station i mean it felt like each you know that was the sort of it was the sort of petty family dramas and everyday mundanity that was serialized yeah like just the the same shit we talk about in this podcast you know i just like the use of the word mundanity can we can we talk about things that i i feel like december for me has been a month where i have i i feel like I've had a bit of a rut where I haven't really, you know, like fallen in love with anything. You know what I mean? And what I mean by that is like TV shows, gaming stuff. Like I think I feel like I've had

two or three months where I just haven't really found anything overly exciting or whatever. You know, you have like those phases every once in a while you you so so yeah my my input on that for you to use it is that i think you have been very much afraid to get into something that you're not gonna like no no but what i want to say is that you put you put like a boycott down on on the new wow expansion which is fair enough but then i think you didn't also want to play cyber yeah no i didn't i still haven't but listen what what i'm saying is this month i've been surprised because i've like come out of the rut i found tv shows that i really like um i've been playing games that i really like like the surprise one for me recently has been

uh call of duty black ops cold war zombies i've never played like a zombie i sent you the copy of this um because that was it was they were supporting yeah we did it for sweaty shooters in the jingle jam yeah which uh which was very successful by the way if we haven't talked about we will don't worry yeah it ended it ended a couple days ago that was last week's news lewis yeah lewis geez that was but. I never played a zombies game before. I mean, obviously, I've heard of it. I knew you would like it because it's your kind of thing. But man, it's so good.

Holy crap. I don't know what it is about it. Just the pacing is phenomenal. I love the gunplay, the movement, the sounds, everything. I love how you upgrade stuff. I love how you can kite zombies around in these big trains and then just murder them all and oh man it is so much fun my input on this is that you know the new cod game it's cod 17 yeah they've had a long time to perfect this

formula it sells millions i know but i'm not interested in the multiplayer i'm not interested in the battle royale war, or anything like that. But the zombies mode is great. But they've been developing zombies for 10 years. Yeah, it shows. Man, it's really good. They really know what makes a fun zombies mode. I've been hooked.

I've been playing it every day since. I knew that you'd like it. I've been playing it every night. I've been streaming it, everything. I've loved it. It's really nice to find something that's not like, like just naturally that you like that you get into and you don't feel like you're being like duped into it.

Like I know if I would have played WoW, I probably would have liked it on the one hand, but part of me would have always felt like, oh fuck, you know, I'm wasting my time playing this. Like, you know, it's not going to lead to good things sort of thing. But whereas like... Yeah, I totally get that. Yeah.

And I think I know that feeling where you've discovered something yeah like a really cool game like i think it was for me it was death stranding this year like oh that was a good one i wasn't excited for it but i was told that it was different and interesting and i had to play it i loved it i absolutely loved it too it was so um and it was totally worth i played some doozies this year games that i've been really excited for. Obra Dinn was one of them as well. Man, I love that. Wasn't that a great game?

Death Stranding, Obra Dinn. I've really been enjoying Zombies. I never thought I would be the kind of guy that would like that sort of mode in that game. I'm not a COD player. I've never really played many COD games or whatever. But you've been playing it with people, though. You've taken a leaf out of the P-Flex book and you've retained a couple of friends from yeah the kind of yeah

among us streams that you did and i think taking those through to a smaller arena and playing it with friends is actually a really satisfying thing to do so talk talking of uh my my lads i want to give them a shout out on the podcast if i I may. I know Sips is anti-shout out. Sorry. But I don't know if you guys saw the Rust stream. They knocked it out the park on the Rust stream. You're right. Well, if you haven't seen it, I honestly do recommend it.

It wasn't the most popular stream of the Jingle Jam, which was a shame, but it did all right. And I think me, Spiff, and Wilson had a great time. And my lads spent a long time building this world and this story and slacks you remember sir action slacks he popped in and did a guest appearance and it was just it was absolutely phenomenal and i was moved very very moved by the fact that these guys all came together and just did it um and i think it summed up for me the jingle jam spirit which is that we all come together but it's not just us obviously it's all the people that donate and it's also all these

people throughout various streamers communities that give up their time as well like spiff had these two tech gods who came in and saved the csgo stream this hosting company that was in chat just came to our rescue and hosted it for us and stuff and it was just it was really a beautiful weekend of coming togetherness and also then raising a shitload of money so well done yeah i think there's loads of people who put so much time and effort into jingle jam that you included me realize you deserve credit too dude because i know you you put together one one one flav of a good bundle this year and um i think yeah it was yeah it went really good this year it was good i i did well but it wasn't just me though actually like a lot of people in the ogs a lot of people who have reached

out to a lot of people have played games and no developers and no people and have met people over the time and so you know they all contributed as well and i'd say probably a good like 20 of the games that came in came in from people not not that i reached out to you know just because they were like oh i'm a big fan of ravs playing this or a big fan of leo playing that oh that's good so yeah it was it was a real team it was it's a funny thing the jingle jam because seem to, I think a lot of charity, you know, run their charity like a business and they have to, right? Like Oxfam have a chief executive and they pay him a million pounds or whatever, you know, and it's kind of, when you hear that stuff, you're like, that's weird. But you realize that they have to, right? And that it is worth it to run this thing like a business and have stores and make sure that you don't lose money.

Is that why you're keeping one million pounds of the money raised as i'm announcing it now entitled no so well we i still i always run jingle jam like it's a church faith or whatever and no one gets anything you know we don't have any one we it's entirely voluntary um which i i always think is is the safe way to do it right i don't want necessarily to be one of those things. Because you hear about these charities who, certainly in America, like the Susan something whatever, who end up only like 10% of their actual donation goes to charity in the end,

because a lot of it goes to all the executives. I don't know. I really hate that kind of, I've always been very scared of that, because I feel like that not only undermines the whole point of charity, but it feels like it's just incredibly... Those people are going to hell.

Do you know what I mean? The people who run that are going to hell. Also, don't forget about all those churches that supposedly raise money, but it's just for them. They just buy private jets and shit with it and live large and pay zero taxes. It's a massive scam. I don't know how they can square their faith and just and and that in their

heads they must be so deluded no i i don't think they're deluded i think they're evil i think there's a i genuinely do not think i mean if you live a lie long enough, I guess you can come to believe it. Um, but I think they're just devious, um, manipulative sociopaths, possibly even psychopaths, um, who've just been able to construct a persona that, that tricks people into thinking they're the right guy to give all their money to. And I know, uh, John Oliver did a really good episode about these churches that send people cards or whatever, saying you've got to pay it forward and then you'll get some back, but you've got to keep paying in. And then, you know, it's seed money. And if you put $500 of seed money in, God will reward you. And it's things like you have to send in $25 and then they send you back $1, but they

say you must now send in $50 of seed money. You must include the dollar bill that you got back as well. So you have to send any money that you receive from them back and just rinse and repeat. And it's like a huge scam. Anyway, you can look up the episode. It's a really good one. But yeah. Yeah, there's some really good stuff.

Like, I love John Oliver. I really like his, the way he, obviously, the topics that he tackles are very American-centric often, and so therefore don't necessarily, but then again, maybe we have the same problems in our country, but we don't know about them because we don't have a show that covers that sort of stuff. I mean, first of all, I think we're a far less religious society um in in the uk it's certainly not it's definitely less of a less less of a um like an inter interweave between politics and uh and yeah and religion i mean you don't get many politicians that seems a lot more so in uh in in america right there's definitely some religious influence on i mean when was the last time when was the last time you saw a british

politician talk about god no i know but they still go through the motions of appearing just influence on i mean when was the last time when was the last time you saw a british politician talk about god no i know it doesn't happen very often they still go through the motions of appearing to go to church and stuff like that that's just i mean geez everybody fucking at christmas goes to church you know what i mean everybody in that sort of fusty conservativey kind of world goes there and yeah of course what is it the orange what is it christingle chris kringle i don't know what the fuck it's called you know when you get the fucking orange and it's got sticks in it like mass no that's that's catholic i'm talking protestant it's like you get a fucking orange an orange with a candle stuff yeah there you go i mean the the fucking i always say because i work for the church of england

i love i love all this religions the religious chat brings out all the fucks and fuckings like fuck me the fucking fucking orange with the fucking candle to a church of england school i went to a church of england school for ages and i went when i was in the scouts every sunday we had to go go to church you know i was i was very i was sunday school for years absolutely years oh hey my parents sorry i've just thought of something and this is before i forget it and i You know, I was Sunday school for years. Oh, my God. Absolutely years. Oh, hey. My parents. Sorry, I've just thought of something. And this is before I forget it. And I think we have spoken about church in the Scouts before. I remember the episode distinctly. It was 87, episode 87.

Okay, cool. I could be wrong on the number. But anyway, Twitch has banned the word simp and the word virgin. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was going to mention this as well. Yesterday, they did a town hall, which was like people who sort of like high ups or like community managers at Twitch or whatever.

And so they've decided to now take action against people who routinely use terms like simpp incel or or virgin you're not allowed to call people virgins anymore because it's like rude i guess or or whatever i mean i don't really use the term simp um or incel at all really they're just not not terms that i would default to or really use um but man i'm gonna miss calling people virgins like that's like my go-to insult like if somebody beats me at a game automatically they must be a virgin right like like and i'll and i'll be pretty vocal about it so i don't know what i'm gonna do but at the same time i feel like from what i can tell anyway most people in my chat are um really sexually active hunks so um maybe it's not that much of a problem at all

really i don't know i'm down for this right i'm down for i'm down for all this stuff i think it's a good idea maybe for different reasons necessarily than other people think it is but i think that it's it's it's damaging to certain streamers, certainly their income, to casually refer to their audience as simps or white knights or kind of like, you know, I think smaller female streamers who are trying to just be gamers, I think viewers are worried about being called a simp. And that has driven them away often. I've got the Twitch twitch app here i load it up this morning because it just boots up automatically because i use it for no explanation needed to minecraft add-ons and wow ads but they've actually moved that off the twitch app now so i don't think i'm ever going to use the

twitch app again or whatever um but the twitch app all opens and the first three streams on there are a woman in a swimsuit um this is all based on stuff you've watched before by the way i don't know if you really want to carry it on down i'm not logged in oh so but even without being logged in it's still like there's still some uh recommendation stuff based on previous viewings so well look so yeah a woman in a swimsuit sure okay a woman in a swimsuit uh a woman with a just a just a cleave a pair of cleavage and someone watching gordon ramsay that that is what i've got on my twitch twitch fucking twitch app and i'm not logged in i don't have any i don't i don't really watch streams from home certainly i'm not this i'm not on this computer because i'm at home today

I don't really watch streams from home. Certainly not on this computer because I'm at home today. And I'm just like, this is what Twitch is offering up me, I guess, because that's probably what most outsiders want to... Works. Do you know what I mean?

Everything's built on algorithms now, right? So surely that's what works. And I think that's the bigger issue that, you know, the... I watched watched i i watched i know that this streamer with the swimsuit um just stands there because i've seen it before and she just she just stands there for hours like six hours by a pool with a little set of microphone headphones on just just just literally because and people pop in and out people talk to her she talks in broken english because she's eastern european or whatever you know because like and i i imagine it's almost like i think it's almost like it could be pimping

right where some guy gets gets his hot girlfriends and he's like okay i'm gonna make you a twitch channel you're just gonna stand here for six hours in a swimsuit yeah you're gonna talk garbage to chat and you know i'll get a ring of them we'll get a whole ring of them going it's like he's probably sat there in his like fucking gold chain he's got like his his rings do you mean he's all he's got his pimp cane he's got his pimp hat you know he's like make sure you don't call them simps because you know that will drive them away and they'll you know that's not what we want now and also that'll get you banned i think the issue is that like you said if there's a someone streaming who all of her fans are getting called simps because they watch the stream yeah like like

any any woman who streams i'm pretty sure that you'll get some twats turned up and if you say something and people in chat criticize oh shut the fuck up you simps it's like i get it like that that's rough that that sucks banning the word simp can't you just do that as a channel like that's what i do it seems crazy a whole bunch of words that these that some of these words are are chosen to be to be banned when there's when there's other terms that are being used that are not um that that seem to be like far worse right like i don't know like you like you go on any sort of like um first person shooter stream or whatever and like um you know there's still like still old sort of terms being used

that were like used a lot maybe like in the 90s and but have just sort of like kept being used in in gaming like you said the f word like uh like you know like you know like the r word or referring oh referring to to something as like gay which is not really like a thing you hear much anymore right like i think i think people have mostly are like a lot of that stuff but i guess like i had an email this week from someone who said they um oh god what was it so there was a there was an email that came in and it was like we got this expert available for interview he's a flat earth expert and i i said i said i almost i turned to ben and i was like does he have a fucking phd in flat earth studies do you know i mean like how can you be an expert in something that is is

literally right it's just but in the same sense i feel like there's these people on twitch who are creating toxic environments and maybe they want to remove these types of people maybe yeah from the platform by stopping them from using terms like incel it does incel does seem like a term that that is used by people who would believe in flat earth as well, though. Do you know what I mean? Like those kind of types of people. The thing is, the whole incel movement and like, you know,

what is it, the pill? I don't know what color pill you meant to take. The red pill. Yeah, whichever one it is. I'm not taking it. But it's like that whole community and there's loads of subreddits and, you know, all that kind of stuff. It's not something to of stuff, it's

not something to protect. It's not a pleasant place. It's a deeply misogynistic and horrible environment. An awful lot of the memes and stuff that come out of that, I hesitate to call it community, because it's much bigger than that. It's not, oh, we've got to protect the poor incels. To me, the removal of the word simps and incels smacks of them defending what they know a lot of their fucking user base is. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that watch these

streams are simps and incels and are desperate and sad. And that they're not defending women or anything like that. I think they're defending fucking incels. Isn't that another way to look at it? Sure, but I think that I feel like language policing is never a great thing, right? At the same time, I don't want to support toxicity, obviously. I don't want these places to exist where people can, like, you know, sort of all subscribe to this, like, strange idea or whatever and take it very seriously or whatever. But I feel like there's a lot of context being missed with a lot of this stuff, too, right?

You hear people use the term simping for all sorts of things, right? Like, it's kind of one of those terms now that's just lost meaning. And in a way, it's just a made-up word anyway and it's just going to get replaced with another made-up word like pee pee hands or like whatever you know like no but it's just it's just another iteration of that it's just going to get replaced with something else so it ultimately it doesn't really matter yeah the word is not worth no it's that the word isn't the problem. It's people's mentality. But you can't... I think you're right.

You're never going to change people's mentality by policing language. It just doesn't make sense. But you have to keep going, though. I think that, you know, it was back in the day, it was with something we used to... We had the spastic society, you know, for people who had... Hey, that was their society. Yeah.

Well, and that term got adapted and used to mean, you know for people who had hey that was their society yeah well and and and we we that term got adapted and used to mean you know right someone it was originally from cerebral palsy i think wasn't it right right right i mean i think it was a medical term wasn't it like taken and misused it just sounds horrible it's such a god-awful word for christ well it's like the it's like the word retard i think at one point um that was they people could say and use that word and it wasn't deemed like a like a sort of like a derogatory toxic thing like this is a long time ago i think i don't know um but like i mean i remember like i remember hearing adults use that use that term quite freely when i was growing up in like the

80s and stuff like it wasn't but i mean geez you also heard people yes using i'm not i'm not defending it but i'm just saying like a lot of this stuff is is an evolution as well right maybe this is just it's hard right because if it's in common parlance like simp you know we i've definitely used the word simp casually as a joke and it may be in 10 years that's going to be very frowned upon and i'm you know i'm going to apologize for it but all right well i don't think that i what is a simp casually as a joke and it may be in 10 years that's going to be very frowned upon and i'm you know i'm going to apologize for it but all right well i don't think that i what is a simp a simp is like kind of like it's it's it's kind of like a a white knight but implied that you're you're like a big turbo virgin as well you're like you're watching so it's like you're watching this is this is my understanding maybe that's wrong. But I always thought that it meant that you're like,

you're kind of like doing everything you can for this girlfriend that's not yours, right? You're watching like a girl streamer and you're defending her honor and all this stuff. But I always thought more importantly, it was that they gave a lot of money to these people. Yes, that's it. It tends to be that they're paying.

So they're like, they're super fans who think, you know when you watch these streamers, when they find out that their favorite girl streamer actually has a life and a boyfriend and then they're like, I've donated multiple millions of dollars to you in hopes that we could play Twitch things together

one day and, you know, like that. I think that's a simp, right? I thought it was like that sort of hopelessly addicted to getting the oh my god thank you carl 47 thank you that's turning me on a bit like that sorry buddy like that's that's simping right is giving giving money and time and yeah being more super nice being massively invested yeah and i think like so the term like i think traditionally it was meant to be sort of um a term used for for guys with who watch girl streamers but i think now it's being used for you know people watching guy streamers it's being used for all sorts of different things right like

you you hear that that term used a lot around various sort of things, right? Yeah, and I think some people feel that it is a damaging term that you might think, oh, shit, am I a simp? Am I a simp by donating to this streamer? I think Twitch are concerned that there's this movement of... Yeah, you're going to somehow be... Because a lot of twitch streamers make the bulk of their income through donations and twitch i don't want that money i guess to go away not that they see a big cut of it but i think they do see a cut of the bits and they see a cut

of the subscriptions that's how they make their money and i think that i think that's part of it sure but i think part of it is also that it does seem like a bit of a but just a negative thing to have on the platform yeah that's this it's a step in the in the direction of healing i just think they've got bigger problems how about how about the fact that i can't play even a fucking five seconds of music sort that shit out yeah well like separate separate issues obviously but yeah like it's again i think that's something that may come around eventually you know but for now it's just not it's not there and that's because the i think this industry in question is so

fucking behind the times it's oh yeah i think we need like a copyright free that ain't gonna happen ever a royalty free like section on spotify something that i don't want royalty free fucking music yeah well i don't listen to that shit fine though i'm sure it is fine but here's the thing people suggest that to me all the time i want to listen to some just some good old-fashioned classic rock for christ's sake right you know i don't want to listen to some guy's version of classic rock who I've never heard of. And he just plays like, oh, this is kind of a royalty-free version of that song. It's like, I just want the song. Nobody opts to listen to. It would be like saying, you know what? We're not going to give you any actual branded products ever

again. You can just have cheap kind of similar imitation versions of that stuff. It's just as good. It's not just as good. That's why everybody's heard of these bands and they haven't heard of these guys. I guess here's the question. Would you be willing to pay, though? Yes.

Would you be willing to pay, like, a certain amount of money to have? Yes. I've said multiple times, I want a plugin-in that allows me to plug spotify into twitch i will fucking pay tell me what the amount is if it's like a thousand pounds a month i'm not gonna do it but nobody's watching twitch streams for the music like if you're sitting there and just streaming you're still people playing copyright music on

stream like still people doing i mean as long as you delete the vod right i guess so yeah so if you don't if you don't create vods and um or you don't allow people to create clips either but again i without vods and clips it's you know this is sort of you're damaging your channel you are really because your vods and clips are the things that reach out beyond your channel right like sometimes they'll get posted on red? Like sometimes they'll get posted on Reddit or sometimes they'll get posted on Twitter and then people have another way of discovering you and maybe turning into a viewer or a sub or a follower, whatever, they can simp for you. Yeah, exactly.

And maybe they're virgins, I don't know. But if we didn't have clips, I actually think my entire community would collapse within a moment. We rely on them very heavily. I mean, there are 13 clips that are exclamation marks senile about me now. Senile one, senile two, and all the way up to 13 of me burning myself to death with a Molotov in CSGO, jumping off something and dying, shooting teammates.

And that is like part of the lore and history it would be like have you ever seen 1984 yeah or read it i've read it you know the way they talk about if you can remove a person from their past you destroy the sense of of of who they are and i think if you delete all the clips and all the vods and everything you're kind of deleting that person's past because then it only lives in memory and memories can fade with no permanent construct i mean that there's certain clips like the vital historical documents that are the clips yeah there's certain clips of mine that i kind of wish were gone that i can't seem to get rid of even though i've deleted all my clips and stuff for this dmca stuff like yesterday

is a good example there's no context for it either like at the time it was kind of funny i guess like i was playing red dead 2 and uh i discovered that you were able to kick dogs which is like a running joke for for like my channel or whatever i used to kick a lot of dogs in gta it's not that no no no no no but so this cliff was shared with somebody who has no context for this. And like, I don't think that they mind or whatever. They probably could see the funny side of it. But like you watch it back and you're like, holy crap,

like that does not look great. Like it's just kind of disturbing. Like without any context whatsoever, it's a really odd one. Well, it's just how joy-filled you are when you see this. You can kick a dog everything it's like you know you shouldn't be that excited about abusing an animal but like it was just kind of funny at the time i guess i'll be honest with you i was kind of uh when i first saw that clip because i i remember seeing it with you the dog kicker and i was actually kind of shocked yeah like i know that sounds silly but i actually was like wow i didn't know sips hated no no but it's

not even that i do it was just like right i know it's just a gang it's like a running i just used to because you can do it like and this is what i always say to people people are like oh you're fucking sick man why do you like kicking dogs well the thing is i didn't fucking animate the dog kicking sequence i'm not the guy who fucking sat in his studio working on like the animations for kicking a dog and like getting the motion cap for that. Like, you know what I mean? He's the sicko.

Like whoever fucking sat down in a meeting and said, okay guys, we really need to make sure that the player is able to kick dogs. That's the sicko. It's not me. Can you make the dog's head really snap back? Like it's really in agony. It's crazy though, isn't it?

Like, okay, we're here to choose whimpering sounds for the dog after it's been kicked today. It's going to probably take about two hours and then lunch is on us, guys. Don't worry, but let's get through this. We're in crunch mode. We've got everyone to bring in their dogs and we're just going to make them whimper.

And we're going to just make them sad one by one. And we're going to record them. And then we'll just choose which one's the best. So we've got all these things here. We've got a baseball bat. We've got some poking sticks. I think, again, I don't really like talking about this clip much. But that is kind of one of my favorite things to think about.

The fact that probably a great number of people were involved in making this like appear in a video game like they had to have had meetings and stuff there's no way that just jimmy from the art department did all this on his own right like somebody had to sign it off somebody had to fucking test it somebody there are documents of course where they're like right what are we gonna let the player do in the game well they're gonna drive cars and uh and, you know, hold up banks and they can punch people and they can kick dogs. And no one went, whoa, whoa, whoa. Do we need that in the game? And I guess someone else was like, well, God, yeah,

you've got to be able to kick dogs. Otherwise people aren't going to believe this. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're right. All right. You guys are in the dog kicking department. It's probably like a four-man team.

You can kick a dog, but like how come? Okay. This is going to sound a bit weird and I don't want this to appear in a game. I can kick a dog, but how come okay this is gonna sound a bit weird and i don't want this to appear in a game but i can kick a dog but not a woman where's the line like well why can't you take a hamster out of its cajun stamp on it you know what i mean like but i'm just saying like where's where's the line like why did they put it into the game in the first place okay i think i get what he's saying is bear with me here i think what's happened is it's a very common thing that when you are fighting against dog uh enemy enemy ai opponents like you go to a little camp

and there's loads of guys hanging around there a couple of them have got dogs and they're going to attack you right so you've got fight the guys and you've got to fight the dogs and that's like a thing and so i think what happens is that dog kicking thing gets put into the game right for other dogs as well and so when you fight a wolf in the mountains suddenly it's got all of it i mean okay so that i mean we're just talking about gta i'm just mostly talking about gta here but actually honorable mentions to red dead the daddy of all animal abuse right because how many animals in that game had what must they have had to animate like you know being shot in the head or kicked or being like uh t-boned by another horse or you know what i mean

like god damn like so much of their budget we've had before though where you can also run over children and no you can't though there's no like kill old grannies and stuff like that no there's not you can't kill children in any video game. I think it's actually against the law. Yeah, no, I believe it is. And rightly so. Like that's why there's no children in any of the Fallout games or like there are children that you can speak to, but you can't shoot them or anything.

Like it's it's a thing, right? I'm pretty sure it's a thing. I feel like there's no children in GTA games that you ever are able to like run over with your car and stuff no but there are kids in cyberpunk okay all right okay and i'm sure there were there were kids in uh the witcher weren't there kids i don't think so no not not that i recall pretty dark stuff in some of these but the point is i guess the point i was trying to make wasn't about kids it was more about people versus animals you know we're quite. We're quite happy murdering hundreds and hundreds of people.

I mean, I drive on the sidewalks in GTA V. Like, I'll quite happily plow over anybody. I get it. Grannies, you name it, whatever. You're right. It is a weird group. It is a weird group. It's so interesting.

As the kids would say, it's a bit of a weird champ. Yeah, that's a bit of maybe not so pog, actually, when you think about it. No, that's not pog. It's cringe. That's cringe. I'm a cringe in heart. So going back to what we were talking about before, I've started watching The Crown. Oh, I've been meaning to watch that, actually.

I want to see that. I kind of like the history of the royals and stuff. I know it's not meant to be super realistic, but I still kind of am interested enough that I'd probably get around it is interesting it's really you know the uh the fucking papers went nuts about it like mainly i think the daily mail because of course that's like the royal family's biggest mate as well it's kind of hotting up now too though isn't it aren't isn't the show up to the point with diana and thatcher and a bunch of right it's got... Oh, Gillian Anderson is playing as Thatcher.

Is she Margaret Thatcher? Oh, wow. She's great, Gillian Anderson. Everybody loves Gillian Anderson. I don't fucking give a shit. I haven't given a shit since the 90s when she was numero uno in FHM. No, but she's come over to the UK

and she's doing loads of British sort of accents and everything she's in is good. She's not good. I think she must be a rare sort of case where americans can come over and do british accents because i find for the most part they are not very good at that whereas on the other side british um actors going over to america and then doing american accents um i've been i've been fooled many times like like stringer bell before before anybody really um knew who idris elba was um in the

wire stringer bell i just assumed he was just like an american guy you know like he was i was totally i didn't know he was his accent's excellent but like you know and same with mcnulty as well actually i just figured mcnulty was uh was just sort of like an american actor i didn't realize what's the name of of the guy? Benedict Cumberbatch. His American accent is Doctor Strange. It is not very good. No, I mean, it's just a little bit

sort of like, I am a doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of them are terrible, obviously, and vice versa. But I find, for me personally,

I've been, I've been like fooled. She went to London. Fooled by British actors. Gillian Anderson went to London film school. Gillian Anderson went to London film school Gillian Anderson went to London film school

that helps she lived in Crouch End she went to Coleridge Primary School it's such an English name isn't it Crouch End

yeah Crouch End Crouch End doesn't fucking mean anything but I mean but she became famous in the X-Files you know she was

the X-Files was Gillian Anderson for me and then obviously she disappeared for a while but then she came back and she did she was the x-files was julianne's and for me and then obviously she disappeared for a while but then she came back and she did she was in hannibal i watched all of that she was great in that terrible i watched all of the fall which is a great like tv these are all shows mrs f loves by the way i'm just saying i loved it i watched all of that and i also you know and american god she was in that for a little bit oh i didn't i couldn't get into that that was way too i i don't mind weird but that was just like i just couldn't meal game and shit in a nutshell

yeah fairies and wank and weirdness and some people love it but i couldn't get it no i just it frustrated me because it was just too off the wall like felt like there was no yeah it did feel way too off the wall for me i don't know maybe it was just like what like what are the rules what are the fucking rules in this universe yeah yeah do you know what i watched the other day yonderland have you ever heard of that no so you've heard of horrible histories right yeah god my classic classic kids show my kids adore that show it is great they made a sitcom called ghosts all right on the bbc that that fucking good. Oh, is that the one where the girl moves into the old mansion and there's tons of dead people still there? And she can see them.

She can see them in here. Exactly. Yeah, that was good. So they also made Yonderland for Sky. And again, Sky, not makers of good TV shows. I don't think they've ever made anything good other than, apparently someone in my chat last night. That's not Sky, that's HBO. No, Chernobyl was Sky funded, I think.

Not like made by Sky, but Sky Money for sure. Let's have a look. Okay. I believe that. The series was produced by HBO in the US and Sky UK. All right, well, all right. That's a good one. That's the only one I can think of.

Oh, and Gamora as well. I'm pretty sure they bankrolled some of Gamora, which is awesome. I mean, if they put money into it, that's okay. Yeah. But I mean, it doesn't feel like a Sky show. Sky shows always feel a bit shit. Yonderland is fucking awful. Okay.

It's really awful. Now we're getting to the nitty gritty. We are. Let me get down to it. So we watched it last night because my dad recommended it to me. him and he was like have you watched yonderland yet and i was like oh yeah i remember him telling me to watch that so we watched it last night me and mrs effa sitting there two minutes in we look at each other and we're just like and we watched the whole episode and it's only 22 minutes long it honestly felt like it was an hour long and my wife

said she was like is this really only 22 minutes she was like check in she's like guys feels like an eternity it's it's so bad when shows are like it's so so so you're just slogging through it just to see if it's worth watching and but you know already that it's not you know within a minute this ain't for me and you give it a chance but it's just it's just never i hate it when there's one actor or actress or child actor usually who is so fucking bad that you can't like pay any attention anymore like you can't get past every time you can't get you can't get over it it just pulls you out of it so and it's like oh god that's happened a couple of times to me it almost happens in the expanse because there's a there's a woman with an english accent in the

expanse and she's just i think it's just the worst. Oh, right. And it almost ruins the whole show for me, because I love The Expanse. That's a show I couldn't get into. I finished watching a couple of shows recently. On my own, I watched Dark. I watched the whole thing through.

What did you think? Wait, of series one or the whole run? The whole run. Series one, two, and three. I loved it. Every series, I thought was... And did you watch it at normal speed? Yeah. Wow. one or the whole run the whole run series one two and three wow i loved it every series i thought was and did you watch it at normal speed yeah wow i watched it at two times speed quite a lot of the time okay what and other bits i'm just curious like where you got up to where you decided that

it was too boring for you to watch because there's there's kind of like a point in the show i feel like every show where you it sort of hooks you in like i tried watching it previously and i couldn't really get through half of the first episode but i was watching it dubbed and um i'm not a fan of of dubbing generally no no i always watch this so when i came back to watch it subtitled i enjoyed it more but it took a it definitely took me a little while to get into is interesting enough to keep me going but i i feel like after a certain point and i'm not exactly sure how to pinpoint that i i was hooked and i really really liked it i loved where it was going and my issue with it was these episodes don't need to be an hour long and i feel like any of the fucking shows that have hour-long

episodes you're gonna have half of that episode people standing and looking at each other in a darkened area. That's pretty much it. There's a lot of pondering, a lot of wistful looks, a lot of like, just, I don't need to see the person come in the front door, walk into the hallway, put their keys down, get a glass of water, cough, and then go, oh, hey, how are you? Just cut to the chase. Oh, I know, but that all that- Cut to the chase.

All that- It's too much fucking about. oh hey how are you just cut to the chase i know but that all that cut to the chase all that all that too much all that all that stuff kind of um is more enjoyable when you realize like the the sort of overall like goal of the of the show and like what's what's happening like did you so like how how far into it did you get like what the end of series one oh you watched all of series one yeah i watched the whole of series one geez and by the end i was about halfway through series one so i wanted to know what was in the fucking cave and all that shit i wanted to know what's going on here and i was intrigued okay but it was just it was just so cocking slow i don't know about dark i'm really half i'm really half half on it i just kind of hate it oh i loved it i'm not saying it needs to

be fucking roland Emmerich, you know, Independence Day, super fast and whack. Yeah, fair enough. It's just, if the characters aren't that interesting, do we need to spend, like, what is it, 12 hours watching this story play out? Okay, well, listen. You know that the way these things work is it's like,

here's the interesting hook that's going to hook you in. Like Lost. Lost did the same shit. Showed you some of the interesting stuff. And then there's just filler and boring crap on the side of it. I love the whole, like, I'll spoil it a little bit. So if you're listening and you're planning on watching it, maybe don't listen to this bit.

But the thing I found really interesting about Dark and part of what kept me going was I loved how characters from present time could travel in time, either to the past or the future, and get stuck there and still age relative to the time that we're on right now or get stuck there. But then the repercussions of people getting stuck there in those times, but then having to live there and just sort of having to put up with it had huge consequences down the line right because it meant that they would do things that normal humans would want to do obviously like create children or create a life for themselves but oftentimes they were doing this with somebody that they didn't even realize they were related to somehow down the line or whatever which would then just introduce new problems and stuff and it was like it was just such a cool it's just such a cool idea

but season three is like a bit of a trip at first but it just wraps up so nicely like it it makes okay the end of season three and the end therefore the end of the entire show um it explains it super well and it's you're not left feeling like oh shit like there's a couple of things that you look back and you're like okay some of this stuff wasn't explained super well but it was just like kind of used to bridge you over to like other parts of the story or whatever right and you kind of look back and you're like what do i want to know more about but actually like overall the whole thing wraps up really nicely it's good so i'm trying to i want to know imagine if these tv shows because sometimes mostly tv shows

like take place over about a year right and so you can expect a season to be a year like because that's usually how long it takes to get out they do one season a year it feels like a you know usually at the end of the year maybe they're going on summer holiday and they'll come back and it'll be the new year starts or whatever, right? It feels like a thing. Are we going to have like a COVID season? Is like season five

of this series going to be suddenly COVID is in this place and everyone's in lockdown, they're wearing masks. It depends on the show. Some shows might try it. Some shows might not have a choice. Do you reckon cinema is going to add this?

Think how boring COVID's been. It has been but for the people that haven't been frontline medical workers or suffering from the disease or whatever or have been lost in jobs like an incredibly memorable event in our lives i've just lived through i don't want like the the reason these shows are interesting is because they show you something where maybe you haven't lived through it like it's inventive and it's a fiction if it's literally like hey remember lockdown well now I don't want like the, what the reason these shows are interesting is because they show you something where maybe you haven't lived through it. Like it's inventive and it's a fiction. If it's literally like, Hey,

remember lockdown. Well, now that it's over, we're going to have a whole series about it. It's like, fuck off. What about the crown though? For example, do you know what I mean?

What the queen barely leaves the house for a whole season. Imagine the crown was filming this, you know, modern day. Cause I don't know if the crown will, will cover modern day. Eventually. No, it it'll it'll probably i i'd imagine that the crown will probably because kind of like after it's in terms of like royalty and stuff kind of after diana passed away and stuff i think i think history for

the royals has been pretty boring yeah yeah william. Yeah. William and Harry grew up and got married and had kids. What's the big exciting... I mean, the most exciting thing... Sausages. Right. The most exciting thing that's happened is... Prince Andrew didn't sweat for a couple of years. I mean, I guess they could have

Prince Andrew and Epstein. That's an episode. Yeah, I suppose. But again, there's like... Maybe eventually they'll do it, but I can't imagine that they're in a mad rush to get to that you're right i think i think too recent history won't translate i think when you look at a lot

of stuff in the crown it is things like the falklands crisis or actually a lot earlier often stuff i mean that's a major historical thing i mean that was the big turning point for thatcher right like like without falklands i don't think she would have ever even been reelected, right at the time, like she was pretty unpopular. And the whole Falklands thing just sort of turn it around for from my understanding, I'm not like, so by the way, one of the criticisms of the show is that those two events, the Charles and Diana stuff and the Falklands stuff did not happen at the same time. No, like they've they've put them together, the writers of the show put it together for the sake of the drama. So in regards to are they going to have covid stuff or you know how interesting can it be for the royals i guess in a way they could just try and make it more interesting

dramatically somehow you think that like um you know with everything going on with covid the second wave is like hitting pretty hard there's like there's lots of places that are potentially going back into lockdown but they seem to be delaying a lockdown because they know people really want to like have a good christmas or whatever right do you think that we as like a western society probably place way too much emphasis on christmas i mean i think we do like obviously commercially and stuff like that but like right even with all this going on like you know it's it's it's it's probably just this year like you know what i mean like you shouldn't you shouldn't really be having 40 people over to your house for christmas this year let me tell you something i don't know anyone who takes christmas more

seriously than my mom she is fucking obsessed with christmas and i'm pretty sure she's not alone no no she's not like people lose their minds for christmas they do the entire year comes down to this one day as the as the year narrows towards christmas it's like becomes such a huge focus in the minds of so many people it is bizarre yeah i mean christmas is all right yeah i you know my kids love it i know why they love it because of the presents i do i would not celebrate christmas it had if not for having children i just wouldn't bother like i wouldn't i wouldn't decorate i wouldn't put up a tree nothing i would just be like i'm trying to remember what me and mrs f did before the kids we'd have a tree yeah we'd have presents we'd

have the family over like my mom would come up with with mrs f's parents yeah and and we'd have a family meal and that was it you know and and now it's like a huge fucking deal because of the kids well yeah that's fine yeah they love it i used to love it too when i was a kid but like it's a lot of work when you're an adult right and and a lot of work that almost just doesn't really seem worth it if not for kids you know like yeah i do i make the effort for for my kids because i know they like it so much but i wouldn't make that much effort like without kids i just wouldn't it's such a big deal for some people maybe some years maybe if i was feeling like really fruity i'd put up a tree but i wouldn't every year like you know i mean like

i think it's it's it's part of culture It's part of a social community fabric, which people need to keep, you know. Yeah, there's a lot of that too. And inform, like, a kind of build this, at least sort of, if not community spirit, at least like an awareness that, you know, that you should spend time with other people. In a world where we're so increasingly detached.

Yeah, I mean, it's a good point. a good point excuse to see people and do stuff it it's necessary for for to keep us being who we are and i think i think that's it's a very british thing as well that the british christmas where you see your family and you do these sort of weird traditions and watch the queen's speech with your grandma or whatever my mom is obsessed i don't know it's it's a funny old thing and it's gonna be i mean it's gonna be different this year i think it's interesting from a point of view of tradition as well like i know my parents like their their view on christmas and how they celebrate christmas and stuff feels very much like they grew up in like the 1950s and 60s and it's almost like uh you know like like for them christmas is like bing crosby christmas you know like the north the very north american over the top like you know chestnuts

roasting on an open fire and you have your eggnog and you have your sweaters and stuff and like it's a big deal right like that's what they grew up with and and therefore I grew up with it being kind of a big deal but maybe not so much of a big deal and like I'm passing on this tradition but I'm just I'm interested to see how it evolves like you know what my kids will do with their kids and and so on and so forth like I wonder if it'll lessen or if it'll if it'll like amplify or you know what I mean that's right I think you have to weigh up like a lot of people are criticizing the idea that you're able to it's certainly in the uk we're allowed to meet up with our families over this sort of we have sort of a christmas period where

you can you can still you know do you can get on with it if you want yeah yeah but you got to do it responsibly i understand that and i'm not actually not going to see my family um at that time but i can i'm gonna ring i gotta ring up my mom and we're gonna get a chat on zoom i'm gonna ring up all my relatives i haven't spoken to for a while and i'm gonna you know make an effort to to talk to people i haven't haven't the main the main reason i used to love christmas like apart from the the kids love it was that it meant time off work yeah i used to love that too that we would chill at home for like a week and a half or whatever and it was whatever for free you know like and if you were lucky enough to be high on

the pecking order you could um you could swing a bit more time as well right and right i used to love the skeleton crew over christmas was almost uh was was was almost just as good as as fully being off right because you just in a sense like nobody does anything and the thing the thing about it is is that you know you've got to get your shopping in before the shops close on christmas and you've got to do all this other stuff so you end up sort of almost like preparing yourself for a little break yeah away where you can just kind of feel like yeah i don't have to do any shopping i'd have to do much else people you know i have to you know visit for a while and we'll have a drink and it'll be quite friendly and it's always it's always very jolly i don't know like it's always better than slightly

better than you expect as well because you think i'm gonna spend this time with my parents but actually once you're there you know it's it's it's actually quite nice so anyway we're gonna end this podcast because it if you're listening to this on christmas i hope you um i hope you've just spent all christmas listening to this it's been a longer one than usual. Well done. Christmas is done now. You missed it. This is us done till the new year, right? Is it?

We're not doing one next week? Well, you want to do one on Christmas Eve? Yeah. Okay. I'm down. It's like an hour in the morning. I've got nothing else to do. What the fuck else have I got to do?

Christ. Yeah, same. No, we neither. All right. Well, thank you for listening, everybody. Have a wonderful Christmas. Yeah. Merry Christmas we neither. All right. Well, thank you for listening, everybody. Have a wonderful Christmas. Yeah. Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

Well, maybe you might get another one before the new year, depending. But yeah, have a good Christmas. Stay safe. Be responsible and stuff. And thanks for listening and goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.