106: All About Probiotics and Gut Health with Tina Anderson of Just Thrive
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00:23or sunnycars.The following podcast is a dear media production.Hey, welcome to the Blond Files podcast.I'm your host, Ariel Lori, and I'm here to talk all things wellness.From how to achieve optimal health and well-being to the best beauty tips and everything inbetween, no topic is off limits.I know there is so much information out there, so I'm here to help you navigate it all andlive your best life.
00:49Thanks for listening.Let's get into it.Hi, everybody.Welcome to the show and welcome to a bonus episode.of the Blond Files podcast. So here's the backstory on this one. You probably know that I struggledwith gut issues for years and have gone through all sorts of healing protocols with both mygastroenterologist and my nutritionist. And this included being on meds like steroids and antibioticsand also taking natural supplements and changing my diet, et cetera, et cetera. But surprisingly,
01:28a good probiotic was never really part of my plight.plan and not because anybody dropped the ball in that department, but because I just couldn't findanything that I liked. So enter last October. I was in New York. I got super sick with some kindof stomach bug that was not COVID, but it was horrible. And it left me with stomach issuesonce again. And we did all sorts of tests and everything was normal. But what I was experiencingwas not normal for me. So it was kind of perfect timing when just three,came on to sponsor the podcast and I got to try out their products and learn about them.And I was so interested in their product and the research that I decided to use it and to stick
02:12with it this time. And when I say it really helped clear everything up, that is not an exaggeration.So as you know, I've had doctors come on to talk about gut health, but I wanted to learn aboutprobiotics specifically. So I decided to bring Tina Anderson, who's the co-founder and CEO of Just Thriveon and she has a really interesting story herself and she breaks down how probiotics work,why they're important and everything you would want to know about that. So enjoy. All right,welcome Tina. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you, Ariel, for inviting me.I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to chat about probiotics and gut help with you. It is probablythe most relatable, relevant topic to my listeners. You know, I've been very open about my own gut health
03:03journey over the years and I've had all sorts of issues. And so I'm really interested inlearning from you about probiotics. And, you know, I have had gut health doctors and researcherson my show. And we talk a lot about the science of it, but we don't talk so much aboutprobiotics and how those work. So really excited to learn from you.and I'm sure my audience will be as well.So first to start out, I would just love to hear some of your story because you were an attorney,right?Yeah, I am actually.
03:36Yeah, I started out as an attorney.I was in civil litigation and working crazy hours.And just based on a desire to have more of a work-life balance, I had my first child at the time.And I'm like, I just can't do this anymore.So I went into a family pharmaceutical business.And I thought that was great because I thought, oh, my gosh, we're here.are delivering life-saving medications to people. This is wonderful. But after being in the industryfor quite a few years, my husband and I were both in the industry, and we both saw a lot of the
04:06abuses in the pharmaceutical industry. We saw a lot of the overprescribing of medications.We saw that in the industry, but we also saw it with our own family members. You know, we hadone particular family member that was on one medication, and then before you know, she was on12 and never getting better, you know, because this medication caused stomach issues. You know,and then this one caused joint issues to fix the stomach issues.And so it was this never-ending cycle.And then we saw it in the industry, too.We had won this huge bid for a large hospital system.
04:38And the pharmaceutical rep came into our office and was like, you know what my job is now?My job is to go to every cardiologist in this system and tell them to lower the number that they prescribe a particular medication for.And it was really, it was like we were shocked.But then another part of us wasn't that shocked because we were like,like, you know, we saw this happening all around us.And so we, my husband and I both read a lot of, you know,deep thinking books like Wayne Dyer, Norman Vincent Peel.And I just knew we weren't doing our life's work.
05:08And so we decided we lived pretty natural lives anyway.We were kind of brought up that way.Now I'm way more educated and empowered.But at the time, I was like, it's not the way we lived our lives anywayswith our three children.And so through a lot of meditation,prayer, being at the right place at the right time, we were able to license these very exclusive,different type of probiotic strains to the market. And that's from London University. So really been
05:40the most gratifying career journey I've ever been on bar none. How did you end up in probiotics and gut health?Did you have issues yourself or did somebody in your family have issues? No, actually, we didn't.I didn't and nobody really in my family did, which is interesting because,most people in our space really are drawn to a particular field because of that.Ours was more about maintaining health.And that emphasis on treatment in the pharmaceutical industry was so backwards to me.We wanted to focus on prevention and focus on maintenance of our gut health.And that was really what we always had focused on in our own lives.
06:17And we started learning more and more about the gut and how the gut really is so importantfor every aspect of our overall health.Yeah, I mean, I'm sure my listeners are familiar with my story,but I was having terrible, very acute gut issues,maybe at this point, like five years ago.And I didn't know anything at that time about kind of alternative therapies,lifestyle modification, that kind of stuff.You know, I just was looking for basically the Band-Aid.
06:49I mean, I figured, like, the route to go was a gastroenterologist,And for sure, it's important to go and see a doctor and rule out, you know, something reallyserious and medication can be really helpful. But, you know, I was put on an SSRI because theythought it was stress. And the dose that I was put on, which was a non-therapeutic dose,wasn't working. So we upped it. So then I'm on an SSRI, which I'm sure you know,and people listening is very difficult to get off of. And then, you know, I was put on steroids,which actually did help my issues that I was having, but I was on them.for like years as opposed to weeks.
07:26And so I can see how you can just start adding on one medication after another after another.And like I am, you know, I try to be very clear that I'm not anti-medication.They definitely do have a time and a place.But once I finally went the more holistic route and really figured out what was goingon underlying, you know, the symptoms that I was having and treating those through supplementationand things like meditation, which you mentioned, and stress management and all of that, my problems got a lot better.So I think it's...I couldn't agree with you more.
08:02I mean, when you said that about the medication, and I never want to come across as being like, I don't agree with any medication.I mean, medication is great for acute type situations and emergency type situations.We just feel like it's not always the best route for chronic type of situations and issues that people have.Yeah.Yeah, and that was the case with me.You know, I was on these medications for years.And finally, I was like, why am I still taking an SSRI?You know, I don't have a chemical imbalance.
08:29And so I went off that and I finally got off the steroids.And I had to actually go back on the steroid for a short period of time.But again, like it has a time and a place.And, you know, I was introduced to supplements that help and probiotics and all of that.So I would love to hear how you kind of landed on the strain and how that strain is different from other strains that we might be familiar with and all of that.Yeah. So basically, when we brought Just Thrive to the market, it was made up of these bacillus spore-basedprobiotics. So this was very different than anything that has been on the market in the U.S.We were complete disruptors in the industry because the majority of probiotics on the market were
09:08comprised of lactobacillus and bifidobacterium strains. And the thing to remember is thatthe human microbiome project was launched by the National Institutes of Health about,2010 or so. And before that, we really didn't know much about the microbiome. We didn't know thedramatic impact it had on our overall health. And most of those probiotic strains, the lacto and bifidosestrains were formulated before the human microbiome project. And so these strains, the bacillusendospore strains, are, they were formulated. They're basically from nature. But the whole idea ofusing them as a probiotic was based on this human microbiome project that came out by theNational Institutes of Health that told us how important the gut was, how the how the gut functions.
09:56And so basically the spore base, the bacillus spore base are actually found in nature.Our ancestors used to get them from the environment. Our ancestors used to eat roots and tubersand there would be soil on those and they would eat them. And that's how they got their probioticstrains. You know, they would get them from the soil. And so that's what these bacillus strains are.bacillus endospore shells are actually natively found in the soil. And when they're in the soil,they have this endospore shell around itself. It's like a protein calcified shell around itself.And that shell protects it from the soil. And they're dormant. When they're in the soil,they're dormant. And now when people would swallow those strains, they would still be dormant.
10:37And it's not until they hit the intestines that they took that shell off. And that's when they wentinto their live vegetative cell state.And that's when they became live bacteriawhen they went to work in your gut.Where the majority of probiotics noware made up of lactobacillus and bifidobacterium,like I mentioned, those are live microorganisms,you know, in the refrigerator, for example.
10:58And so the question was always,if a probiotic needed to be refrigerated,it meant it couldn't withstand the room temperature to stay alive.Even the room temperature would kill it.So how in the world would it ever survive your body temperature,which is 98.6. And the answer is they don't. And then much less, let's say they did. Now they get intoyour gastric system, your stomach acid is meant to be the gastric barrier. Most of those probioticsare dying before they ever get to the intestines. So for many years when people were taking
11:29the lactobacillus and bifidobacterium strains, they were basically essentially getting deadbacteria therapy. And it doesn't mean it doesn't do anything. I've talked to people many timesthat say, well, I did take a probiotic that was made up of lacto and bifido. And it didhelp me. And people do sometimes see some symptomatic relief. But with the spores, the bacillus spores,we're actually going and getting to the root cause of the gut issues. So these spores go in.They get there 100% alive. They're reading the microbial environment. So when they get there,they have the ability to read, kind of scan the bacteria. Do we have more pathogenic bacteria?Do we have more beneficial bacteria? What about that beneficial bacteria that needs to help,
12:08need some help along the way? So these strains create compounds and nutrients to help.help bring those beneficial bacteria kind of back to life. And then they have the ability to get ridor competitively exclude of pathogenic bacteria. So they stay there for about 21 to 28 days where they'reworking through the entire intestinal tract. So they do colonize for about 21 to 28 days. And theneventually they leave the body. And then the crazy thing is when they leave the body through defecation,they go back into their spores state where they have that endospor shell. And then they'll come backinto the world, you know, in a different way somehow. So it's really, they're quite intelligent.It's amazing when we go back to nature and the way we evolved, how it all just makes sense.
12:49And that's when you really start to see true healing is when you kind of go back to the waywe used to do it. That's so interesting. I love the idea that nothing is ever really createdand nothing is ever really destroyed, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. That's a great, great saying,especially for these strains. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about the human microbiome project?because I think other guests have referenced it,and I think a lot of people, including myself,have probably heard of it, but don't know much about it.Well, it was a study done over, my gosh,
13:20I mean, I think it was done over seven, eight years,and it just told us, it basically told us that pretty much all disease starts in the gut.I mean, there is, you know, people for so long have associated gut issues with digestive issues,like you have gas or bloating, diarrhea, constipation.But that project told us now that the gut is really responsiblefor virtually all aspects of our overall health, from heart disease to cancer to diabetes,skin rashes, obviously autoimmune issues, mental health disorders. And so it told us,and we're still finding out more like diversity is really important in our gut microbiome.
13:55It told us that we really need more a diverse microbiome, both in richness and uniformity.So it told us ways that we could help support our microbiome. You know, it wasn't about throwing a wholebunch of, you know, billions of CFUs. It's about finding strains that actually go in and start torecondition the gut, you know, go in and start to make a true change in the gut. And it also told us,too, what is disrupting our gut? And unfortunately, you know, that study told us that we are10 times more bacteria than we are human. So we are 10 times more bacterial cells than we arehuman cells. And people have a really hard time wrapping their head around that. And I mean,I even did it first. It's crazy to think that our bacteria really are dictating almost all aspects of our
14:40overall health. And yet we live in this antimicrobial world. I mean, we are so, what we, the world we live in is sooffensive to our gut health. I mean, from antibiotics, which are huge, you know, offenders to our gut health,to, you know, the glyphosate, the active ingredient and round up. And, you know, with antibiotics,antibiotics are not just, we take a course of antibiotics and people think, oh, I was just on it for a shorttime or it's like there are studies that show that a single course of clandamycin will wreak havoc onyour gut for over a year period of time and of course there's antibiotics in our food supply and thenglyphosate which is the active ingredient in roundup that's sprayed all over our crops all of our foodsupply we are ingesting that every day it is wreaking massive havoc in our gut household products a lot of like
15:28the cleaning supplies especially nowadays you know kills 99.9% of the bacteria there was a study thatshowed that households who use those types of cleaning supplies that killed 99.99% of the bacteriaactually had children with a higher incidence of allergy, immune dysfunction, you know,autoimmune issues. So it's amazing how much our household products that we're trying to beclean and do the right thing are actually causing disruption on our gut lining and our gut.You know, beauty products, the water we drink, all of those things.Stress. I mean, stress is a massive offender of our gut.health. And people think it's woo-woo and it's not related, but, you know, there's a huge gut-brain
16:08connection going on. So we're, you know, we found out that we are more bacteria than we arehuman. We are, you know, living in a very antimicrobial world and we need to really be supportingour bacteria. Bacteria is good. I mean, there's just, unfortunately, that less than one percentof the bad bacteria gets all the press, you know. So we're talking about the good in the world or in ourbacteria. It's true. Yeah, there's a lot there that I want to touch on, but the antibiotic thingreally resonates because I was the kind of person who, if I started to feel a tickle in my throator like had a runny nose, I would get a Z-pack, you know? And I mean, just antibiotic afterantibiotic over the years for so many different things. And even when I was initially having gut
16:55issues and we thought it was SIBO, we were just doing antibiotic round after round after round with nogut support. And, you know, I think, and that was years ago, and I'm still kind of recovering fromthat now. So is there, is there a point at which someone can be fully healed? I mean, should somebodybe taking probiotics daily forever? Or is there a point when the gut kind of recovers its balance and has ahealthy diversity and variety? Yeah, that's a great question. I think if we were living in a veryyou know, secluded, you know, in a tribe in Tanzania, I think we could probably heal our gutand then go live there and live off the land and really not have to take a probiotic or not haveto do things to support our gut health because it's not being, you know, attacked on a regular
17:47basis. But though, you know, I do think that, you know, antibiotics, I just want to point out withthat antibiotic thing that you mentioned, you know, the CDC actually estimated that 50% ofantibiotics that are prescribed are actually unnecessary, you know, because exactly like you said,I mean, a lot of it is doctor's fault, but a lot of it is patients, you know, patients are pushingtheir doctors. I'm going out of town. I, give me a Z pack or give me this. That was me always.They're like, you really don't need. I'm like, I need it. Just. I need it, right? You're notalone. I mean, look at that. I mean, a lot of people are doing that. And the thing that people have toremember is that not like if you, in that case, you had like a runny nose, that was like a viral infection.
18:25And so now this bacteria or this probiotic isn't going to help the virus and viral infection.In fact, it's going to ruin, you know, or like offend your immune system, which is in your gut, even more and not allow you to be able to fight that virus that you have.So that's what's so funny is that it's counterproductive.But yeah, our bodies are beautifully designed to heal themselves.And I think that that's something that we have to as a society remind ourselves.We really are, we're beautifully designed to fight off.viruses. We're beautifully designed to fight off bacteria or pathogenic bacteria. We are beautifully designedin that way. And our gut is no different. Our gut is designed. Our gut is a massive, it has a
19:07massive role in that in helping us heal our bodies. And so I do think that you could heal your gut.I do think taking probiotics on a regular basis, doing other things, creating more diversity in yourfoods. We should be eating more diverse group of foods. We should be taking a sport.base probiotic. We should be meditating on a regular basis, trying to lead a more calmer lifestyle,avoiding sugar and alcohol and all those types of things. But unfortunately, the world we live inis really pretty offensive to it. So it would be something that you'd need to be maintaining on a,you know, regular basis. You mentioned diversity in food. So what about probiotic foods,things like kimchi, crout, yoghirts, um, kiefer, all of that stuff. Is that effective? Or are you
19:53kind of getting sort of that dead bacteria that can't survive in your stomach in that environment?Well, I think you're right in that you are getting the dead bacteria, but you're also gettingso many other nutrients. So I think all of those types of gut supportive foods are wonderful.The only thing is they're not a replacement for a probiotic that's going in and actually making achange in the population of the microbiome. So I would say that absolutely, I'm a huge fan oflike eating fermented foods, I believe that they're super nutrient rich and they do a lot ofbeneficial things for your gut microbiome. They're just not a replacement because they're notmaking that change. But like the diversity of foods, I'm even saying like go to an ethnic grocery
20:36store and buy, you know, different types of fruits. You know, maybe you go to Middle Eastern or an Asiangrocery store and find different types of foods or even just get out of our same rut. I mean,our ancestors used to eat 600 different types of foods a year and we eat, you know, probably10 to 12 different types of foods a year. So it's really important that we create some diversity,even if it's just at the regular grocery store that you're going to, just try to finddifferent types of foods and roots and tubers and different types of vegetables to feed your microbiome.That does help support diversity. And we know from the human microbiome project that having adiverse microbiome means health. I mean, if you have a diverse microbiome, you really have health.
21:16And it's amazing. I mean, that's like undisputed in the industry.I was listening to something recently where they were talking about like blue zones and areas in the world where our populations where there's less disease and more longevity.And they were talking about their diet and, you know, a lot of them incorporate spices.And spices make certain nutrients and minerals and everything more bioavailable to the body.And I thought that was so interesting.Yeah, I love that.And that's the key, the bioavailability.And that's the other thing with like all of the spices or whatever foods you're eating.
21:49if your gut is inflamed, it's not absorbing all those nutrients. And that's something that we used tothink, oh, we are what we eat. Really, we are what we absorb. And so so many people are walking aroundwith an inflamed microbiome, inflamed gut. And now they're not even absorbing. They're eating reallyclean. They're doing all these things. But if your gut is inflamed, it's not absorbing all thoseimportant nutrients that you're eating. Yeah. And I think the tendency now is to restrict. I mean,at least for myself, when I was going through my issues, I was like, okay,well, I'm going to take out gluten and dairy and sugar and, again, time and a place for all of this.And there are certain things that I do avoid because I feel better. But, you know, then that didn't
22:29work. So, okay, now we're taking out FODMAPs. Okay, now we're going to take out this and that.And by the end of it, you know, you're eating the same five things over and over again. And it just is, you know,every expert that I've had on has said the same thing as you, more diversity, you know,keep incorporating those things. Of course, if you have CBO or you have CBO or you,you're having, you know, kind of more acute issues, remove FODMAPs, but only for four weeksor four to six weeks and work with a practitioner who can help guide you because those have suchimportant prebiotics, you know, and we can't, we're starving our microbiomes of essential bacteria,right?
23:07Right, absolutely.And then the other thing is that people when they do have food sensitivities, you prettymuch know you have a leaky gut.And, you know, leaky gut is a huge offender to our overall health.And, you know, when you start to heal that leaky gut, the leakiness of the gut, now you're going to be able to start introducing those foods that you weren't able to before.So it really is counterproductive to not be eating a diversity.And I totally hear what you're saying with the whole restrictive eating.It drives me crazy because I'm like, you know, we can't do this or I'm in this.
23:37I'm eating this way.I'm paleo.I'm vegan.You know, it's like we just should be trying to have a lot of diversity in our diets as much as possible and limit.things that are disruptive to them. But once in a while, you could certainly have them. You know,it's in the world. Well, yeah, and to your point about stress, creating these narratives aroundfood and being so rigid and restrictive, you know, that makes eating such a stressful experienceanyway. And when we tell ourselves these things, like, oh, my gosh, this has soy in it. So I'm going to
24:08like, my body is going to freak out. Well, then, yeah, your body's probably going to freak out.That's right. That's right. Absolutely. You've heard of people who have like had somethingthey thought they were allergic to and then all of a sudden they ate it and they found out laterand they were fine, you know? And so there is, there's definitely a mental component to it,which I think we both know. Yeah, yeah. I can't even, I mean, I remember I was very, very rigid andwas restricting so many things. And then I remember, like, I started kind of inadvertently having thingsthat were on my band list and realizing nothing was happening, nothing bad was happening, you know.And so I was able to reintroduce those. But everybody's different.
24:46So I think it's justEveryone has to do what works for them.Yeah.Is there anybody who a probiotic is not appropriate for?No, I can't think of anyone.In fact, I feel like that is the foundation for health.I mean, particularly, of course, the spore base are what our ancestors grew up on.That's what they had.
25:06That's what they knew and they ate off of land.And I think a lot of people ask for pregnant moms, like can pregnant moms take them?And it's like, of course, we always say to ask your doctor.whenever you're taking any type of supplement, every pregnancy is different, but it is so importantfor a pregnant mom to be taken care of their microbiome because that is when you are inoculated withyour gut bacteria. You know, you and I didn't get our gut bacteria from, we didn't get what we were made upwith from the land. We got it from our mom. Our mom inoculates us with the lactobacillus and bifidobacteriumthat's in our gut. And it's so important, like you pass on the healthiest microbiome you possibly can.
25:44So I think it would be very critically important. I think it's great, especially for kids, too.You know, our kids are being brought up when I was a kid, which was a long, long time ago.I knew one child who had a, you know, a peanut allergy, you know, K through 8, I mean, K through 12,one kid who had a peanut allergy now, you know, is so prevalent. Our kids are, their guts are reallycompromised right now. And so I think it's so important to be able to take, you know, to support it with a spore-based probiotic,because it is really making a difference.So I can't think of any group that wouldn't benefit from taking it.And I always feel like it's like ground zero for health.
26:23It's foundational health.We have got to be taking care of our gut health.And we know with these strains that we have a double-blind human clinical trial on leaky gut,which is profound.We're the only probiotic that has a study of its kind.And the only pharmaceutical, I don't think there's even a pharmaceutical that has a study of this kind of this magnitude.And so we know leaky gut is so prevalent.They estimate 80% of the adult population has a leaky gut.
26:50And when you have a leaky gut, these toxins are seeping into the bloodstream and causing this constant inflammatory response.And so we really, we need to start with having that foundation of gut health before we try to do anything else.So I can't imagine anybody that would not benefit tremendously from being on a spore-based probiotic.And the spore-based, that's what you were describing before.is that kind of it encapsulates it?Yeah, yeah.Yeah, and it's not because we've done anything.You know, there's a lot of probiotics out there that have like entericoding
27:22or they do certain engineering to have them try to survive.I mean, companies know that their probiotics are arriving dead in the intestines.So they're trying to do things to get them to arrive alive.But these are not something we've engineered.These are the way the strains.They have the shell around them.That's the way they were found in nature.So, yeah, it's a very different approach.
27:44It's a different category of probiotics entirely.What about time of day?Like, should you be taking it in the morning on an empty stomach?Is it better with food at the end of the day?Does that matter?Great question.Yeah, it doesn't matter what time a day.What matters is that you take it with food.
28:00It actually, we did, everything we do is based on studies.And so one of the first studies we did was a gut model study.And it told us that these strains use food to germinate throughout the intestines.So you're going to get more for your money, if you will, you know,with taking them with food.So, but the time of day doesn't matter. Some people like to take them in the morning because they feel likeit gives them more energy. My dad likes to take them at night. You know, everybody's different. So, but as long as youtake it with food, it works that much better. It's not bad to take it on an empty stomach. It's just that
28:28it'll work that much better. And the other thing to remember, too, is you could actually open thesecapsules and mix it with food. So when my son was younger, he would make him his piping hot oatmealand I'd mix it in there. And you could actually bake with them. We've tested them up to 455 degrees.yeah, and they actually survives.You could sneak it into, you know, they don't taste like anything.So the kids wouldn't even know if it's in there.So, but just one a day.It's literally the easiest thing to do to just support your gut health.
28:56Mm-hmm.I like making like a coconut yogurt out of them.Yeah.But, yeah, it's, oh, that's awesome.Yeah.That's good.You're really double whammy because you're getting the yogurt, the ferment.Yeah.
29:08That's awesome.So have you noticed in the studies or have you guys looked at this?how long it takes if somebody has, say, leaky gut.Is it like a month until they start feeling better?Have you had any data on that?Yeah, well, the study that we did,so the way, the study that we did,it was done by University of North Texas.
29:29It was done with 100 college students.They found that 55% of them had a leaky gut and didn't know it.And so they took the remaining subjects,divided them in half, and gave one section,the placebo group, they gave the placebo group,they gave the placebo and then the other one they gave the spores. And then they sent them home 30 days.Now we know what college students are doing to their bodies for 30 days because there was no otherdietary lifestyle modification. They just had to take the probiotic strains and then the placebo.
30:00Came back, retested for leaky gut. The way they tested is how many LPS toxins seeped into the bloodstream.The placebo group saw a 32% increase in LPS toxins in the bloodstream.people are, it's getting worse and worse. The treated group actually found a 42% reduction inLPS toxins seeping into the bloodstream. So we are talking about 30 days that's, it was 30 days just tosee a 42% reduction LPS toxins. And remember, that's actually more than 42% because the placebo grouphad a 32% increase. So I mean, it could be argued that it's like a 60% increase, but that's aprofound decrease of LPS toxins going into the bloodstream. So we see in this study, we saw some prettysignificant improvement in just 30 days. But when people will take the product, it's always so different
30:53depending on the disruption that you, you know, your imbalances, your dysfunction of the gut.We see people within a couple of days taking the product and start to feel better,especially when people have some like bowel issues. They seem to see more increased regularity.Sometimes with people with skin issues, it may take a couple months to see a difference.You know, everyone is really different, but generally within 14 to 30 days, you're going to start seeing something.And then, but then there are some people that may take three months to see something.So, but it is pretty dependent on what your gut is, you know, which kind of shape it's in.Right.
31:28What if somebody has negative side effects initially?Is that a good thing?Is that seen as like a die off of the bad bacteria or?Absolutely.Yeah.So if people start to see some like gastroids,for intestinal discomfort, that's definitely a sign of die-off. And it's, it just means it's working,but we don't want anybody to be uncomfortable. So we always suggest you just go slowly. You could
31:51start out with a half a capsule every other day or a full capsule every other day or half a capsuleevery day. But yeah, if you're having a little bit of that tie-off, just know it's working and you probablyreally need it even more because, and know it's working. So just stick with it. It always makes me sosad when people would start and they're like, oh, it's not agreeing with me. And it's like, oh, no,you're the one that really needs it. So that's good to know. That's happened to me in the past withprobiotics, but I have been using yours and I love it. Thank you. So, yeah, I think everybody coulddefinitely benefit. And it's so interesting to learn about it. And I love that you guys are reallyresearch-based. So, yeah, so thank you so much for for letting us in on the process and everything.
32:37Oh, yeah. Thank you for the opportunity. I just, I'm such a geek when it comes to gut health because I just, I want to, I want to scream from the top of buildings. Like, everybody needs to focus on their good health because people don't realize that it impacts virtually everything, every type of, you know, condition out there.It's true. Do you have a testimonial or, or anything from a customer or someone who's taken it that's just been crazy that you can share?Yes, it's like I'm trying, I have, well, two that come to mine are the, we have a child's, we have a child's,who's on autism spectrum, we speak a lot of autism events.Because I think the thing people aren't realizing is that there's such a huge gut brain connection.I mean, from anxiety, depression, you know, Alzheimer's, dementia,these are all related to imbalances going on in the gut.And so we have a mom of a little boy who's son, who is autistic and has just seen tremendous improvement.
33:29You know, I'm not suggesting that he is, you know, not on the spectrum anymore.It's just that he now, like, people, kids on the spectrum have a lot of gut dysbiosis going on.And so they've seen incredible improvements from, you know, how he was speaking more.He's just everything.He's sleeping better.His mood is better.He's going to the bathroom more regularly.And just to see, like, a happier kid.
33:51It's just, as a mother of three children, it's like there's no better testimonial than you could get from a mom and his child.Yeah.And then another close friend of mine is a dentist.And she's like, I was.sick all the time because my hands are like people's mouths all the time. Every winter I would get sosick. And she's like, and then she kind of diagnosed herself as having a leaky gut and she startedon it. And she's like, I can't. I mean, literally I'll be at like a restaurant and I'll look over andshe's talking to somebody about the product. She's like, she's like literally our biggest fan because
34:22she's like, I can't believe what it's done for so much of my overall health. But my God, there are so many.It's literally what feeds my soul. And that's why I always try to encourage people like, do your life's work.I mean, there was no reason from a financial perspective that we would have ever left our positions,but we did it for such different reasons. And it's been so awesome. And I'm so glad we did it.That's amazing. Well, your passion definitely comes through. And yeah, thank you again for sharing with us.Thank you, Ariel.I hope you enjoyed that episode. If you liked it, and if you like the show in general,please take a second to rate, review, and subscribe. It goes a long way, and it's actually the best way to support the show. Also, if you want to see more about each episode, you can head over to The Blond Files podcast on Instagram. I'm always posting about each episode there or over on my personal page at Ariel Laurie.
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