WHOA That's Good Podcast - Five Seconds of Awkward Could Save a Lifetime of Regret | Sadie Robertson Huff & Julie Chen Moonves

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

Julie Chen Moonves — author, journalist & host of "Big Brother" — can't WAIT to share how God has radically changed her life in the last five years. But first, what has hosting 25 seasons of "Big Brother" taught Julie about human beings and relationships? Sadie and Julie talk about the social experiments in reality television and how Julie's "love one another" message is not just her signoff but her advice to the housemates and the world. Julie also shares a harsh truth & conviction she found while reading the Bible and how her whole life has been altered because of it (ooh, this one hurts, y'all, but it's so true!). And Sadie has a challenge for us the next time we're participating in something we know isn't right. Julie's audio memoir, "But First, God" is available now: https://bit.ly/3FZ71eQ https://helixsleep.com/sadie — Get 25% off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners in honor of Black Friday! https://liberty.edu/Sadie — Get your application fee WAIVED when you start your future with Liberty University today! https://www.trymiracle.com/whoa — Get over 40% off + 3 FREE towels with code WHOA at checkout! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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[♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ What's up, woe? That's good fam. Happy Wednesday, everybody. Yo, I am so excited about this interview. I have a lot of friends and family members who are a little bit jealous that I get to have this incredible woman on the podcast. She has hosted Big Brother for 25 seasons and has a new audiobook out called But First God, which I cannot recommend more. I'm so excited to hear more about her story.

We have Julie Chin, MoonVess on the podcast. Welcome to the show. Sadie, thank you so much. That was a beautiful intro. Hey, thank you. Thank you. Well, you know, I've been so blessed and grateful to do this podcast for over five years now.

And it is the greatest gift just to get to meet people like you and hear stories like yours. So I am so pumped that you're on. Wow, over five years, that's incredible. Yes, it does. You're a pioneer. Well, it doesn't hold anything on 25 seasons, but yes, I'm in to my way there.

I'm in to my way there. Well, you know, Julie, we always ask the same question on this podcast to get it started. I always ask, what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been given? So it's not a small one to start with. I'll just throw it out there towards you. Wow, the best piece of advice was something I received

in the mail and that was my first, my first Bible and it was a study Bible. And I only got that five years ago. I had never owned one. And because, I mean, that is just a treasure trove. Like, that's every piece of advice in that book for anything that you encounter in life. Because as you and I both know,

many of us out there know there's no new problem for God. Yeah. You know, because once, and then the biggest lesson from the Bible would be trust in the Lord. Mm-hmm. You know, have faith. Whatever is consuming you and giving you stress or anxiety or keeping up at night,

that's showing that you don't have trust in the Lord, that he is doing something. He's always moving in your life and he's doing something good. So hand your burdens and your worries doing something good. So, hand your burdens and your worries to him and have trust in him. So, I think that's the best advice. That's a really good advice and I love that you know you got that Bible five years ago and it's just completely changed your life and I can't wait to get to that story. Before we get into all of

that story like I mentioned, you've hosted Big Brother for 25 seasons. And I have so many of my friends, our huge fans of the show, family members that just don't miss it. And so like I mentioned, they were very excited to hear you on the podcast. Even I told my dad last night that I was interviewing you and he said, city, that's huge. So you have some big, big, big fans out there. And I just, I love that so much. What has hosting a show like that for 25 seasons?

What has it taught you just about people in general? Oh, it's taught me so much about people. First and foremost, it has taught me that most of us go through life never really having enough self-reflection. I have seen house guests who come in and playing big brother forces you to hold a mirror up to your nose two inches away. And you might not like what you see.

And it also gives you plenty of time to do that. So I've learned that most of us don't, we know what we think of ourselves, but we don't really know how others view us. And we are some judgy people out there. People love to just pile on some house guests for whatever it is they say or do in the house. And we need more forgiveness. So it's really like, yes, it's a fun, you know, a reality show, but it really is like a social experiment that shows us human nature within ourselves, within others, how we deal

with conflict, how we deal with our fellow brothers and sisters. But at the end of the day, the rainbow on it is we are a community and we love each other. That is why God created us to love one another, which is why I sign off the show that way. And no matter what kind of conflict existed in the house, house guests, when all is said and done, they come out of the house, they are bonded and they become like best friends for life. So all the silliness that happened in the house is trivial. That's so cool. I read somewhere that that show has had more successful marriages and the bachelor, which is kind of cool. I'm actually, I love the position that you're in though to speak into all of these people's lives.

I'm a big survivor fan, so I love it. And that's definitely a social experience. You experiment too. You're watching it and you're just kind of seeing the breakdown of what's happening in society right here with these people on an island and you know Jeff has this Opportunity at tribal council to kind of speak into their life and to kind of hear what's going on and almost counsel in some ways and some episodes And you know you are in that position to interview and to talk through Each person's experience and stuff just from before knowing Christ to knowing Christ now. Has that changed the way that you even talked to people after the show because I love, you had a quote in

your book and you said, no job is a secular job. Like any job can be a job that you give glory to God. How have you seen that? And actually like started to apply that into your job right where you're at. Oh my gosh. I mean, I, talking about people can be judgy. I was one of those people before I knew Christ, judging these houseguests. I, as a journalist, you would never be able to detect that. I don't think you could, as I was interviewing people, but I have approached that show

with a totally different lens since I became a Christian. I put on my Jesus glasses and I view all these house guests with love, with my Jesus glasses on. And I'm like a patient parent with them. And I am the first one to now find forgiveness, like in trying to get others to find forgiveness in maybe a, you

know, bad thing they did in the house. So I've matured as a human being because I have matured with Christ in my life, you know, in Christ. So it's just been, and also like behind the scenes. I used to be such a perfectionist, and if things didn't go perfectly in a live show, it used to really just like inside my head, I'd get so frustrated, I get so worked up. And I don't do that anymore.

So I kind of approach everything from how I question and view and handle the house guests to how I show up in the studio from like a much more calm and trusting manner. It is what it is. It's so cool. I just love that you actually said this quote in the book and I thought this was such a good quote.

You were like pre-spiritual Julie to I thought this was such a good quote. You were like, pre- you know, spiritual Julie to post-spiritual Julie is the biggest, it was like the biggest weight transformation ever, like weight loss transformation you've ever seen. It was just so different from who you used to be to who you are now, which I think is what it's supposed to be. Like I think that, you know, when you become a Christian,

when you get to know Christ, it's supposed to be like that. You're not supposed to look at what you did yesterday. It's supposed to be the old became new. The dead came to life. The blind can now see. It's like, it's a radical transformation. And I think that there are a lot of Christians

walking around who know Christ and claim to be Christian, but you're not seeing fruit from that. There's no radical change. You're kind of like, wait, really? Do you know God? Because if you knew God, where's the change? Where, and I don't know why that is for some people and why that's not other than just surrender

and truly letting God fully take your life. Maybe it's knowing of him, actually, knowing him, that really makes a difference of it changing you. But for you, why have you been so vulnerable in sharing that change? Because I think a lot of people too, like pride keeps him from people seeing who they used to be,

to who they are now, because you know, you're maybe embarrassed by the way you used to be. What made you go, you know what? I'm gonna do an audiobook. I'm gonna write this whole story out because I want people to know I'm not way you used to be. What made you go, you know what? I'm gonna do an audio book. I'm gonna write this whole story out because I want people to know I'm not who I used to be. Well, I think a big reason is because

learning about how, you know, we're not supposed to be a lone ranger question, you know. We, and especially God has blessed me with so many different jobs and so many different, you know, this career and so many different platforms to speak publicly that if I don't use the gifts and blessings he gave me to publicly now speak to, you know, the whole community who I am, then I'm not doing my part, you know, I need to community who I am, then I'm not doing my part. I need to tell the world because I do have a platform to let the world know who I am.

Do have a certain amount of influence in the world that could bring a positive change and create more disciples of Christ. So, you know, there's scripture that says, you know, like if you don't declare, if you don't testify before, you know, the public for me, like why am I Jesus going to testify for you before my father? Yeah. So it's like, I would be a hypocrite and I'd be a phony.

If I didn't use any and every platform to tell the world like, hey, you know, second Corinthians 517, I am a new creation in Christ, you know. Yeah. The old is gone. And it's a wonderful thing and it should be that way for everyone else. You know, it is so fun to set new dreams and new goals for your life, especially with the New Year around the corner. When you set out to achieve something new, you'll probably need a little support, and

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year that you pursue your dreams. And it's funny because when I, before I started this audio memoir, my idea wasn't necessarily to do an audio memoir. I was doing like, you know, on Instagram, my little God-101, you know, show and things like that, declaring, you know, my love for Jesus. And one of the things I wanted to do as I started my walk with Christ was read the whole Bible. But I found that very daunting and very difficult. And then I thought, okay, I can listen to an audio version.

But I didn't find one that resonated with me, everything I ended up sounding like Shakespeare was, you know, King James' version or not. So I actually called Simon and Schuster because I had written the children's book in 2018 called When I Grow Up. And I emailed them and I said, you know, I would like to volunteer. My service is for free. And I would like to provide an audio version of the new international version of the Holy Bible. Well. Because then, then I accomplished my goal, right?

I'm reading the whole Bible and I'm doing a service, you know, and I'm not charging anybody. And they weren't interested in that, but in hearing why I want to do that, the executive I was, you know, zooming with, he said, why don't you tell your story? And I was like me, like, really? And then it became reality. You know, I didn't think anyone would be interested. And he said, yeah, you know, I think a lot of people would be interested, especially since, you know, like I've been known all these years for many different things, but not this. So to tell about my transformation and how I found God, I think is something that is worth hearing. I think it's worth hearing everybody's story. What led them to God?

And tell me when he's done for your life. That's the show. I think that's the show that like one day, perhaps in my future, I would love to host, having anyone in everyone, you know, come on the show, whether they're a famous name or not. Yeah. You know, let me hear your miracle story. You know, it's God changed your life. And what made you finally take his call. Hmm.

That's great. Gosh, everyone could benefit from hearing those. I mean, when you hear people's testimony, it raises your faith, right? And that's why you say, I got a testify. Like, there's somebody listening to this podcast right now, hearing your story going, well, okay, that's testifying to me because I'm in this secular space. And I've been thinking, I have this secular job. And here's my Christian life. But no, these things have to be one and the same. I mean, as you begin to testify, as you begin to say the things God's done in your life,

other people see who he can be for them. So I will watch that show. I'm ready for it. And also, I want you to do the Bible. That would be amazing. I would listen to that because I am an audio listener. Like 100% I love audio books. If there's a physical copy and an audio, I'm probably buying both

because I'm probably going to listen as I read because I just learn better that way. That's just how my brain works. And so for the Bible, I listen to it as well. And it is hard. There can be a little disconnect because, you know, thank God for the people that read it. But sometimes, you know, you need a little bit more upbeat as you're hearing them talk. And so I would absolutely listen to that. And I was actually gonna ask you because one thing that I find super encouraging about your story is, so here you are,

you're, I think you were in your later 40s whenever you became a Christian, right? And just the past five years, like you know so much scripture. And here you are right before we get on this podcast You're praying or the pie gas or quote in scripture left and right and it's so inspiring because I think a lot of people Feel like if they become a Christian later in life They're at such a disadvantage because there's so many people that grew up in the church here in the Bible stories

And that is true I mean, it was certainly a blessing to get to grow up in the church and know the stories. But at the same time, I meet people like you who know the Bible more than so many people who did grow up in church, you read the stories because maybe they weren't interested in them when they were being taught. So they didn't really apply them to their life. They didn't really sink in. I read somewhere that you currently, you were saying like, I would go to five different churches. I just can't get enough.

What is that look like for you? Like in your life, how did you in the past five years obtain so much knowledge of scripture and also just become so obsessed with the word? Well, there are wonderful resources that have helped me and two years into my walk, the pandemic happened. So life as we knew it, you know, God hit the pause button on the world and said, can you hear me now? So I had a lot of time on my hands and I was also

grieving the unexpected death of my father. So I really was leaning on God and his word to make sense of it all. But it started with a resource called the BibleProject.com And to free resource. I love that. I love it. I love it. Those guys, they managed to break down each book of the Bible in these short videos, whether it's with the doodles, you know, the quick drawings, as they're, as they're telling synopsis of it, or the more illustrated ones where they talk about

Adam and Eve, or the character of God, whatever it is, that really helped me in the beginning. That was like a first step. And then my aunt, who is my favorite aunt, who helped lead me to Christ, she's a born-again Christian, then she turned me on to these old YouTube videos that it's from a British Bible teacher,

a pastor by the name of David Pauston. And he used to do these like 38 minute lectures on each book of the Bible. Now, Genesis is like a seven parts series. You know, some some some books in the Bible, and there are 66 are, you know, two episodes. And he used to record them and send them out on VHS to people who, you know, two episodes. And he used to record them and send them out on VHS to people who, you know, would subscribe. And now they live on YouTube. And that was, you know, really

helped me understand the Bible more. And he doesn't a different way than the Bible project does. He doesn't like spoon feed it to you. He expects the people he was lecturing in front of to have read that book and then they discuss it. So they kind of take you inside and behind. It's like from another angle, the view. And then with the pandemic, Zoom Bible study classes started existing and my friend of almost 30 years

who was one of my favorite carmen when I worked in local news in Dayton, Ohio. He has become a pastor and he holds weekly Bible study classes on Zoom and even though he's in Boston, pastoring a church there, so I attend that every week. So yeah, it was like all angles, I couldn't get enough. And like I'll text him or his wife, you know, who was my producer in Dayton, Ohio, and she's a deconatverte, I'll text them

if I have a quick question. But there were so many different resources available, but I think you have to, oh, and the gateway for me was Joel Osteen. Oh my gosh. That's awesome. Listening to Joel Osteen, my son started listening with me, and he made it so easy to digest

and understand and remember scripture. Because sometimes I'll go to a service, and then I'm like, what did they preach again? But the way Joel uses storytelling and experiences from his life or his family's life, it really helps those messages stick. Yeah. So it was like anything and everything I can get my hands on. That's awesome. I love that so much.

See, I think that's the difference. It's like, if you do it because you think you have to do it, if you're like, oh, I'm going to church because I have to or I'm reading the bag as I have to, you're not going to get anything out of it, you know? But if you are because I want to know God, because I love God, because we have a relationship, I can't get enough of God. Like, it's not a matter of I got to make time. It's like, I will find the time. Like, in my car ride, I'm going to be listening or I'm going to be worshiping and my quiet time and my loud time. It's the 24-7

relationship. It's the constant pursuit of that nearness. And so I love that that you're just getting so filled with who he is. And it's just contagious. It just overflows out of you. And I love that you know, you experience and you went into so many different angles of learning the Bible from Bible project to lectures,

to Joel Ossin, to you know, all these different things because you can learn something from everyone. And I think like posturing yourself as a learner and a student is such a good way to live your life. Because so many people, it's like, they think, oh, I'll learn from this person, because this is the way I like to learn. Or I'll learn, no, it's like open your ears,

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It's like stop and open your eyes. Yeah. And see all of God's creations. Mm-hmm. Whether it's, you know, every grain of sand being, you know, unique. Yeah. It's own thing like snowflakes, or every blade of grass,

or every sunrise and sunset, every flower. It's an appreciating his creations. I used to be terrified of creepy crawly things since I walk with God. I'm not. That's awesome. I'll see a centipede now. I might with God, I'm not. That's awesome. Like I'll see a centipede now. I might be like, ooh.

Oh, look at that. Like how did he create that? You know? That's awesome. I love that so much. One point you said in the book that I thought, this is really cool. As you said, I didn't even know gossip was a sin until I was 48 years old. Okay.

So that was so cool to hear you say because it was like, it wasn't that you were going around thinking you're doing this wrong thing or alive. It was just, you're just doing what you do. You're just doing, you know, you're living your life, doing your job, and then you're all a sudden a Christian and a believer reading the word, you're like, wait, like, I can't live like this anymore. Well, we're some of those revelations and how did you confront some of that? Well, that one was one of the biggest ones because other than working on a gossip talk show for eight years, gossip was part of my life since I was growing up because I have very big family on both sides

and lots of skeletons in the closet. I got to know what's happening. So learning, I got to stop this because my tongue is the most powerful weapon. Now, how do I not only stop using it to, you know, gossip about someone else's life, whether it's true or not, and it's none of my business. And I shouldn't be, you know, passing on any of that information. And now using my powerful weapon for something good, how about I use it to spread the gospel? That was, that took like, well, like, well over a year, even probably to this day to stop, to do an about face. It wasn't just a faucet.

I could learn it was a sin and turn it off. But I have to say, I have made huge strides in that area. I used to waste so much time reading page six on my phone, up until all hours of the night. I don't even go there anymore. So I'm getting a lot more sleep, a lot more sleep. Leading a much more peaceful life and not filling my head with, you know, foolishness

or nonsense, that was, yeah, life changing. See, that's so, I just, I started to cut you off and it meant to cut you off. I just, I love that because I think that, I love that you saw that that was a sin and you, okay, I gotta change this about my life. And then to admit, you know, it's taking a lot of time. Still to this day, it's something that you struggle with,

just like all of us. I mean, there are so many things in my life that are simple things that it's not just like and go, that's a sin. I'm not going to do it anymore. No, it's it's fleshly nature. But part of me that goes, okay, I'm convicted by that. Thank you, God, that you give me the Holy Spirit to make me go, this is not what's best for my life. You have a path that's good for my life. And thank you that you're actually you're good. That's why you say not to gossip because it is better for my life to not. It's better for their life, better for my life. And thank you that you're actually, you're good. That's why you say not to gossip because it is better for my life to not. It's better for their life, better for my life. I get more sleep. I'm more positive. What's coming out of my mouth is

actually powerful and training people's life instead of tearing it down. Like, God doesn't just say these things as rules to punish you. He's saying these things to protect you and to love you and to make your life flourish. And I think that a lot of people, when they view Christianity, when they start seeing these lists of sins, they're like, oh, this is hard to upkeep. It's not something to upkeep. It's something to make you live the life that you were created to live. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And think about it. Like, you and I don't want people to gossip about us. So who are we to be gossiping about anybody else? So, you know, you reap what you're so. Yep. So that's true. And even just like

the thing lately I'm struggling with is like when I hear someone say something and like and say something. And like, I don't wanna be like, you know, you shouldn't really say that. Or, you know, and not laughing. And not like, I don't wanna shame them, but it's like, how do I let, how do I say in a loving way? Like, you know, you're better than that.

Like, let's not do this. Yeah. So, that's the thing. Cause if I don't, then I'm essentially co-signing in that gossip speech. Yeah. That's so hard. That's a good point.

I remember, my husband, his name is Christian, and he is very like, just as driven, like black or white, right and wrong, kind of guy. And he's very much like, stand out for the person, you know, stand up for the man. And it's just interesting that you say that because there is one time that we were in a group of people and they started talking about someone and they were talking about them pretty negatively. It was definitely a gossip moment. And my husband goes, Hey, don't talk about it. I'm like that. Like that's rude. It was so, it was so awkward.

Like it was so awkward. Like it was so awkward, because it was like, roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-ro stop. This is not nice. This is why are we talking about this person? This is not adding anything to any of our lives by having this conversation. This is just empty space that we're filling with nothing that but, but, oh, I love it. Joyce Meyer says, empty space is a place. And that's so true. It's like, it's no such thing as just empty space. Those things matter. Those words have effect in the room. And yeah, I love that he did that. And I think about him doing that whenever I'm in situations like that, because I'm like, this is might get to be a little bit awkward.

But there's this quote. My cousin actually said it in a Bible study when I was in middle school. And I think about it all the time. She said, five seconds of awkward can save you from a lifetime of regret. And I think about that all the time. she said, five seconds of awkward can save you from a lifetime of regret. And I think about that all the time, it was so good. It was like, there are gonna be moments in your life

that are going to require five seconds of awkward, but it's gonna save you from a lifetime of regret. And gossip is really one of those things where it really does take a minute to go, you know what, it's about to be awkward, but I'm gonna have to stop myself from what I'm saying because this is not right. Or, hey, we're going to have to change the conversation, because I can't hear this.

I don't, I don't, this is not fruitful. But it saves you from so much regret in the future, because of the, you know, the wildfire that spreads from that little one that ignites from the words that you use. So I love that you wrote that in the book. That was just really good. Just to know how we're full and that's powerful. Yeah. That's powerful what your cousin said. And in middle school, wow. I know. Good timing to hear that too. So you mentioned being on a talk show for eight years. And then you exited the talk show for several reasons.

And it was really exiting that show that began to put you in a position where you opened up your life to Christ. But during that time of like leaving the show and everything crazy that was going on you talk a lot about how that time you had paparazzi all over y'all and just so many different things in your life was changing your family. I think a lot of people most people are never never going to go through that scenario where they're so publicly seen in such a hard time. But you had to experience one of the hardest times so publicly, being misunderstood publicly, being hurt by friends,

publicly, all of that. Just for advice to give to people who are walking through seasons, because even if it's not public, being misunderstood is a hard thing to face. Having a friend back, Sabi, is a really hard thing to go through. What have you now coming to Christ or even then? What did you experience then in that moment?

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Something has to change. I mean, I was not living a godly life. You know, I thought my life was okay. Though my life was great. And now I look back because, you know, hindsight is 2020 and I see it wasn't great at all. It was filled with false idols, no God, busyness, no peace.

And to be frank, a few people who weren't real friends that were in my life, closely in my life. So I needed my life to be turned upside down. Well, for me to find, let things settle and get rid of the darkness and the negativity and things that are putting a wedge between me and God. And my job was one of them.

That was my false idol. That came first my life instead of God. God wasn't even last in my life. He wasn't in my life. I wasn't inviting him in. So I would say, you know, when you're going through a dark time, it's actually during those dark times, it's in the darkness that the light shines the brightest. So use it and try and reframe how you think and say things.

Instead of calling something a problem, call it an opportunity, an opportunity to change, an opportunity to sit still and listen to what is God trying to say to you. And once I did that, God was like, the first line was like, hello, I'm here. Like I've been waiting at the door for 48 years and acknowledging him. So it's also like, you know, we talked about old saying, old adages that you hear in life, like stop and smell the roses or this too shall pass. That may not be, you know, directly from the Bible, but it's like the season that you talk about. And just because I gave my life to Christ and anyone who does, it doesn't mean from

that moment forward, everything is going to be, you know, hunky, dorian, smooth sailing. But it does mean that the next storm that hits, I'm going to get through it because I'm not alone. And he is going to delivery from that. And there's going to be a reason why that he allowed it to happen. So you're not going to be in despair because you have your hope in faith and your joy that is a constant hum inside at my center that no one can rob you of that. Yup.

And that's power. That is so powerful. Mm-hmm. That's so good. It makes you think of the verse even though I walked through the valley of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil for you. You're running your staff.

They will comfort me. So it doesn't say you're not going to walk through the valley of the shadow of death. It says, even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death. I don't have to fear evil. I get to maintain peace. Why? Because you're right there with me, because you're run, you're self, they comfort me, they guide me. Like that, that's the difference of like,

you're like before Christ, you're like, I love you guys, it's not that you're not so good to walk through valleys, it's not that you're not so good to walk through dark times, but it's that you will have a comforter there with you. And that is power, that changes everything. I mean, when you talk about, I was the same way there's time I live where I remember someone asked me if I had peace and I was like,

peace. I was like, what is that feel like? You know, it just been a while since I experienced just feeling peace because I wasn't living a godly life. But now I'm so aware of what I don't have peace because I'm like, hey, what's going on here? You know, like, and that, that doesn't mean, um, you know, I'm not saying like whenever things aren't calm, I'm saying like even in the midst of the crazy, there's not like an internal peace or a joy that's a strength or something inside of me. I'm like, Okay, God, where are you? You know, I need you in this. I don't want to be left alone in this moment. And I know you'll never leave me if youake me. So it's so powerful when you get to walk this life with the Lord. And it's so cool. I love that you said you want the truth to reveal itself to you.

I think that's such a countercultural thought in our generation, especially my age, group of people. They have a hard time receiving truth. They have a hard time confronting truth. They don't want, they'd rather just stay comfortable. That's why I think they would rather say, well, this is my truth, because then no one can argue it. It's like, well, wait a second. Hold on. What is that? And so I love that you said it's actually sometimes a good thing to be confronted by the truth. It's a good thing sometimes to have to fall down because you might need to get back up a different way than you fell down.

It's actually a good thing sometimes to be shaken so that you can build a solid foundation for where you're going. And I think that we're so, we crave comfort so much because we've been so conditioned to comfort where we live, but it's okay to be pushed a little bit. It's okay to have to go through some things because it's in those things that you really become who you are. So money is a thing but it's not everything. I think you really look at

the importance of what are you doing with your time. The conversations that we've had with our financial advisor is very much building, building what that framework looks like that helps support those important things. The place is where you're investing your time and your resources, your family clearly, and those closest to you. Edward Jones, we do money differently. Visit EdwardJones.ca slash different. Yeah, you're reminding me of how we started this interview about, you know, big brother forcing people who play big brother, it forces you to get uncomfortable, get it uncomfortably close look at who you are. Yeah, you know, so

and those who don't play big brother, we sometimes go through life and we get an uncomfortable look at You know our lives or ourselves and see what needs to change But you're right, you know in this society where we're Where truth has become a moving target. That's a problem And it's you know, it's my truth and it's like no, there, there's only one truth. And that's Jesus. So let's start there. And he's the only one who can judge. Right. And it's also like these little sayings, like you do you. And it's like, that's like a Q2 way of saying, like, be selfish. Yeah. Yeah.

We're just the opposite of what we're supposed to be and what God designed us to be, you know, to love him and glorify him and to love and serve one another. You know, he who is lash, I'll be first and the whole opposite. Like we have to be, be meek. And by that's not weak. We need to be humble and be of service. Like everyone else first, you know, show some grace. So it's a society is so not that whether it's like, I drive down Sunset Boulevard and I see the ads or I see it shows on TV or commercials and it's Satan's world. It's like, we're living in a fallen world where he is

the prince of this world. But I also know the power of Christ, I know that Satan is a defeated foe, and if you command him to leave, you know, my life verse is James 4-8. Draw close to God and he will draw closer to you. And right behind that is, you know, flee from the devil and He will flee from you. So like I will command him to leave, get his hands off of, you know, my family, my son, the music my son listens to, all of that, you know, my son's, you know, brain. Like, you're not welcome here. You're defeated foe, defeated by our Lord and Savior. Jesus the Christ, like get lost. You're in solitary confinement forever. Bye-bye. That's so good. I love that so much. I was reading in this devotional from Jackie Hill period and she said, the godly ask god questions and

she was talking about how sometimes we like fear to ask god questions but you should ask god questions because she said his ways are not our ways, his thoughts are not our thoughts, it's just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are his ways and his thoughts for us and that's one of those verses that's really kind of fun to quote, it's like yeah your ways in all your ways but then at the same time it's like, yeah, you're always in anyways. But then at the same time, it's like, okay, if you're a ways and are a ways and your thoughts are not a thought, and I need to be asking you some questions, I need to be, you know, drawing near to you so that you draw near to me so that I have an understanding because

when I'm looking out the window and I'm seeing all this going on in the world, like, God, what do you see? What do you have for me to do? And this is a really cool part of your story when you started to go into hosting Big Brother. I know that wasn't really your first option. That's not really what you wanted to do. I read that you're kind of wanting to do

the 60 minute interview thing. You have these grand plans for your life, which many of us do. And especially most people that listen to this pie gas are in their 20s and they're just thinking about what they want to do with their life and they're going for it. When you think about God's ways being higher than our ways, it's thoughts being higher. Go back to that time in your life when you were like, Adam, what you thought you wanted

and where you're at now. What have you learned about God's ways being higher than our own? I have learned that God has a plan for each and every one of us. And trust me, it is so much better than our plans that we have. So we need to get out of our own way, because I was in my 20s when I thought, I never want to get married. I never want a family. I want to travel the world and be a 60-minute correspondent.

And then when I was offered this job to host Big Brother, I was already an employee at CBS. I was working in the news division. So when they approached me with this job, I didn't think it would make sense to host this, you know, reality show called Big Brother. And then one day appear on 60 minutes. I didn't see the two kind of meshing together. And the head of CBS News, he agreed with me. He's like, you're right. You probably will never be on 60 minutes if you host this show. I'm like, well then, I'm turning down the show.

I'm turning down Big Brother. And as it turns out, he said, well, if you turn it down, as an employee of this company, it could be seen as in subordination, not taking orders. So then I was like, I mean, I'd love to host a project. Which way do the studio? So that change. So as much as, look, I can stumble through God's plan

is going to win for our lives. I can either fight it and make it, you know, stumble all the way, or I can just let go and let God. You know, that was quickly sorted out for me, but even in the beginning when I was doing it, you know, I didn't do it with joy in my heart or confidence. And, you know, in my step, I just kind of, like, I didn't really know what I was doing.

But God is patient. And so was the network with me. And I found my way. And now, you know, 25 seasons later, I can't imagine my life without it, you know. And it does reach so many people and it's a way for me to reach people whether they follow me outside of what I do on Big Brother, but maybe just hearing that sign off, love one another. Like I can reach a whole audience with my real agenda, which is God's kingdom agenda. And that's powerful. That's a beautiful, wonderful thing. It's great. That's so good. Your story, like I've said several times,

has inspired me so much, just listening and hearing all this. It's amazing. And I'm so grateful that you decided to share it. I'm so grateful that you said, I got a test of high. I've been given a platform, I have a story. And I think for those listening, just realizing that whatever you do in your life, like you have a platform, you have influence, whether that's over a large group of people in your own camera, or that's over the people that

you're in, your everyday interactions with, you're influencing them. Your testimony matters. It can change people's life because it's showing people Jesus. And Jesus is the hero of every story. And so make sure you tell that, make sure you tell that part of your story. Truly, it's been an honor to get to talk to you and hear more about your life.

Everyone listening, go listen to our audiobook, but first God, follow along her life. This is just a glimpse of all the goodness that you're gonna get. Thanks so much for being on the podcast. Say the thank you so much. Thank you for your heart and your just kindness and your curiosity, your brain, everything. You are, keep shining your light. Thank you, friend. you