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Lawrence Jones Can't Believe Will Cain's First-Class Confession (ft. Tom Shillue)

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01:11 And color analyst in football. with Lawrence Jones and Tom Shaloo. It is Wilcane Country, normally streaming live every Monday through Thursday at 12 o'clock Eastern time at the Wilcane Country YouTube channel, the Wilcane Facebook page, but always here by following us at Spotify or on Apple. Hanging out in the country today, to a day stand. Fox and Friends co-host Lawrence Jones and the man in front of a brand new Fox Nation docu series Houdini Back from the Dead, Tom Shaloo.
01:40 Lawrence Jones, Tom Shaloo. boys. What's happening? Just a Friday, just a Friday in the fall, with less than a month, a few weeks to go until the game day of politics, the midterms. And it seems like as we're cranking down here to the final seconds on the clock, Abdul El-Sayed, the candidate for Senate in Michigan is cracking. It seems like it's coming apart at the scenes. He's getting pressed by NBC's Tom Llamas on whether or not his sister and his family have a connection to the Muslim Brotherhood. And Lawrence, he's tried this tact.
02:24 He tried it with me. But it wasn't just reserved for conservative media. He tried it with everyone, NBC, mainstream media. Your question is ridiculous. Condescension and arrogance and dismissiveness of the question is the time. tactic. And I don't know if it's innate or if it's coached. If there's a media advisor saying the best way to bat away these questions that we do not have answers to is to act like they are stupid. But as these sort of responses accumulate, man, this dude's negativity has to go
03:01 up. This is not the right way, arrogance. Well, I guess arrogance is the way for him because, I mean, an accomplished person. You know, he's normally considered the, at least from a book smart perspective, the smartest person in the room. You know, he has all the PhDs, the MDs. And so I think that he's used to people taking what he says as fat with no pushback because he's a smart guy, right? That's That's different with voters, right? That's different when you're running for office as well because everything, and I mean, I'm talking about everything is scrutinized. And he can't take even the basic scrutiny.
03:56 And I think one of the dangers that he made early on, and I think about, you know, I've interviewed him, Will you've interviewed, Martha McCallum interviewed him, is that some of the same questions, the media is normally in bed with Democrats from an ideology standpoint, he would push back against us and said, the only people that are asking these questions are you, Fox News. I'm not hearing that from anybody else. It's just you guys. Well, as the wire, as it becomes even more apparent that he's radical, the other stations are now asking the same questions we were asking.
04:41 Now he's gone from, your guys are the only ones asking this question to now it's a ridiculous question. And then when you press them on and say, it's not a ridiculous question. This is what people feel. Then he never provides a response. Then he says, are you saying that I'm lying? Am I lying about this? And you say, no, your sister put these tweets out here. Like, can you respond to that?
05:07 Well, I don't have a relationship with my mother. So which one is it? Is it that you don't have a relationship with your mother? You're lying or you don't know about the accusation that's being presented to you. Tom, I have quoted this several times. It just stuck with me. I once read that Ronald Reagan's communication advisor told him it was 80% how you look, 15% how you sound, 5% what you say.
05:33 The actual words that come out of your mouth only resonate at a level of 5%. Everyone is judged you by simply looking at the television screen or looking at you in person, at least 80% of the way. The rest of that marathon is basically run by how you sound. Now, I think what Abdul al-Said says to Lawrence Jones on Fox News, your question is ridiculous. The downside isn't massive for him because the people he's trying to get to vote for him want that enemy. They want him to be mean to you. They want him to call me ridiculous or Martha McCallin stupid.
06:08 It's a little different when you're calling Tom Lomas stupid. By the way, I get a little perturbed, Lawrence, when I scroll through my social media and somebody says, finally a reporter, we tell you, about finally. I've been doing this for months. The difference is now it's the quote-unquote mainstream media. But the act of your question is ridiculous and how you sound, Tom, I will say, sounds different when you're doing it to NBC. And I just think he's burning that 15% of how you sound with the voter. Yeah, well, the quote you gave me, did you say it was Ronald Reagan?
06:43 So that must have been in the 1980s that this quote was said. Reagan's communication advisor, yeah, would have been in the 70s or 80s. 70s or 80s. So, you know, that was true then, and I think it's true now. But the difference is if you had someone like Syed running back then, the communications director would say, oh, but, you know, in the case of this character, the fact that he obviously doesn't have a fondness for America. That's going to hurt him. He doesn't like the country he's living in.
07:13 There's so many politicians today, now this is the thing, the unique thing that would not have happened in the 70s or 80s. You could not be a politician and essentially dislike America. It's more acceptable today. Obviously we are electing people, the squad. All they do, from the very beginning, they've never made two bones about it. They don't like the United States of America. That is now not, it is no longer no go for politicians.
07:44 So, you know, it's amazing. I wish we had him here to say, can you believe this guy? Can you believe that they're buying what this guy is selling? And I think Reagan's communications director would be like, you know, I wasn't prepared for this future, where you could be anti-American and running as a representative of America. It really is a fascinating change that's happened in a. a short amount of time because it really, you don't have to go back to the 70s or 80s. And everybody likes to say, what if you had presented a donation this option on September 12th, 2001?
08:18 But, I mean, 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Now, we should acknowledge that Donald Trump broke the model of what we thought was cancelable for president of the United States on a number of things that he said. He said things that got Mitt Romney done in for on a daily basis. And then moved on to the next one. And the genius of what Donald Trump said that made him uncanceable was they couldn't keep up. Quite honestly, it was the volume. He said so many things.
08:52 Mitt Romney, poor Mitt Romney says, I've got a binder full of women, candidates to staff cabinet positions. And binder full of women becomes a cancelable phrase in the mainstream media that runs for weeks. Donald Trump said things 10x that on the daily. And they couldn't spend time on any one of them because they had to run off to the next, which was said 12 hours later. But one thing that didn't get questioned and one thing that wasn't on the menu was a politician that openly disliked America. To your point, Tom. And that's happened really fast. And that's echoed in the words of the mayor of New York City.
09:35 the candidate for Senate in Michigan, the congressional candidates across the country, notably Dari Lisa Chevalier, Claire Valdez. But it is also reflected, I think, notably in the news, with Congresswoman, sitting congresswoman, Ilan Omar. And now the question we have before us is, should she be a sitting congresswoman? she might not be an American citizen. And when you put that together, do we have candidates and politicians that openly dislike America and maybe some, or at least one,
10:13 that are not even American? I mean, it's time to hit the DefCon 4 Red Alert button. Can I just say, because I see the transition, but can I just say with Abdul the anti-American rhetoric
10:34 is a little bit different than DSA, right? And I want to explain. The DSA, they believe that, you know, we're riding to our core, right? They believe that, you know, we need to burn our Constitution. They don't believe in the principles of America. So their hatred comes more from
10:59 destroying the institutions, right? What scares me about Abdul, what scares me about the evidence is the associations, the things that he's not willing to say publicly, but what he's willing to say to all of the people either behind closed doors or the family members is willing to say.
11:23 And I want to paint this picture just based on the evidence because I know care and all the organizations they come at you when you do. get too close to home. When you have the Muslim Brotherhood, who is an enemy of this country, right, and they're associated with the mother and you're lying about
11:39 that, that's a problem for me. When he was caught on a hot tape saying, you know, there are people that are within our community that are grieving the loss of the Supreme Leader. The number one state
11:56 sponsor of them. Who are that? Who are those people? Do you have dinner with those people? people? Why do they like the Supreme Leader? What is it the religious aspect of it? There's so many follow-ups that makes that so scary for me. Like he would get
12:12 an intelligence briefing. Is he going to share that with those people? Does he have conversations with it? Does he break bread with those people? That's a problem for me. So it's deeper than hating America. It's being friendly with people that
12:27 are enemies. To America, that is problematic for me, Will. Let's take a quick break. We're right back with Lawrence Jones and Tom Shaloo on Will Kane Country. Now more than ever, quality matters, but so does price. At Marshalls, you don't have to choose. You can get the good stuff for less, the stuff that lasts, because there's no point in tightening your belt if it's just going to break when you do.
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13:49 And winning could happen to you too. Winner, Gagnon. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Fox and Friends co-hosts. Lawrence Jones and Tom Shaloo, the man in front of a brand new Fox Nation docu series Houdini back from the dead. I totally get it. That is, and I don't debate or begrudge you that being the bright line. To me, that's the icing on a rotten cake. My line was crossed, my line was crossed six steps back. And so, you know, Ilan Omar talks.
14:27 openly about serving and benefiting the people of Somalia. She has said that kind of statement. And I'm not going to get the names exactly right. I forget their attributions. I believe it is Claire Valdez, who has said, Viva la Revolucione, Viva Mexico. And she seems to be prioritizing Mexico over the United States of America. There is another. I can't remember her name. Dan, I see you typing away, who has said that her primary priority is, I believe it is Guatemala. El-Sayed said from the stage that he is a dual citizen of Egypt. I think this, to your point, Tom, dislike of America has to be considered in the context of people who like other countries. So there are people in our country, migrants, immigrants, in Ilano Mar's case, perhaps, not even a legal immigrant, a refugee that never got naturalized, who are serving, shockingly, and this is such a statement that's shocking to serve in the United States Congress, but the interest of another country.
15:43 That's the bright line for me. Like, stop. No Guatemala, no Mexico, no Egypt, no Israel, no dual allegiance. You're here to serve America. Yeah, well, you have bright lines, and we keep seeing bright lines, and we see neon signs that are glowing, and we're saying, how is this happening, right? How have we crossed so many lines? Well, last weekend, I was on Cape Cod, and I was talking with some friends. They were having a family argument, okay?
16:15 And one of them's conservative and one of them's liberal. And the liberal one was saying, oh, you know, Trump is doing this, and I was doing this. that and, you know, the country is giving all their arguments. And he said, but what do you think, how do you feel about the fact that the DSA is taking over your party? And do you know what she said to him? What's the DSA? No. Yeah. What's the DSA? And the thing is, guys, what you and I and many people who are listening, because the people who listen to Will Cain country, they're in deep. They, you know, they watch Fox News,
16:51 they listen to the podcast, they know the issues. That's the thing. Your average Democrat answer to all this is what's the DSA. They don't know it. And you mentioned Mitt Romney before. One of the most politically incorrect things Mitt Romney ever said, and he backed off on it was that famous 47% of the country is never going to vote for me, no matter what I do.
17:12 So I'm going to ignore them. And what I got to do is I got to focus on that 3%. because if they're going to cross over and they're going to go to the side of the Democrats, this is what happens in elections, and this is what the DSA knows. 47% is kind of locked in. In almost every election, they vote party line in this country so often. Not 100%, but they do 47%. That means all you need is 3%.
17:41 That means all you need is that 3% sliver that doesn't know what the DSA is, and it's more than 3%, to go ahead. and say, oh, this guy looks slick. He looks good. He talks good. I'm going to check the box. So that's how easy it is for these people to slip in. What do you have, Dan? So it was Illinois Rep. Delia Ramirez said, I'm a proud Guatemalan before I'm an American.
18:08 And I quote. Red alert. Red alert. Speaking of friends and overhearing conversations, Dan, do you want to share with us some of your conversations that you've recently had with the Brooklyn brunch crew about the topic at hand, Ilan Omar. Well, they were talking about it saying it was kind of a hit job, and I told Will that, and he's like,
18:29 well, just ask them if she was found guilty of something, and if all this was true, how would they feel about it? And Will thought they would deflect and talk about something else, and they did. So I brought it up, and they just refused to talk about it, and they still think it's a hit job on Ilhan Omar, and that's kind of the view of the left and how they stand right now. My follow-up right now to most of the left on any of these number of issues they feel are inappropriate in some way. It's a political hit job and a lot of more.
18:57 But what if it's not? What if it's true? But what about this other thing? What if it's proven beyond shadow of a doubt? What if there's evidence? What if it started with Biden? What is your response? What if it started with Biden's DOJ?
19:12 What if actually she shouldn't be because she's not an American in the United States Congress? What is the response? And the response is, Melania Trump. It's literally a deflection into something else about Donald Trump. Same thing with Cornell. For all the people that are posting TikTok videos
19:31 and taking moral positions, but what if it's fake? What if it's not real? What if it's a hoax? What if she lied? What if it goes the way of Duke? Then what? Then what is your position?
19:45 On to the next story. What is the DSC? say. I mean, it's just solely divorced from any form of accountability, truth, or evidence. And you could see it coming, too. It's just so predictable. It's almost insulting. Well, speaking of feedback at parties and on your text change, with the Brooklyn brunch crew, we like to turn to Reddit on Fridays for some of the biggest conundrums out there in the country. So I share with Tom Shaloo and Lawrence Jones the following. Am I the asshole for flying first class while the rest of my family is flying economy. That's the headline. Now the details.
20:27 I'm 38, my wife is 39, older woman. And my three kids are currently on vacation. Basically, I'm part of a loyalty club with the airline we were traveling with, and that means there are a lot of cool perks, lounge points, food. I also rack up a lot of points, which is always nice. Given I don't want to dish out 10 grand on a flight for a ticket, we're all traveling economy. However, About 25 minutes before boarding, they called My Loyalty Club Tier. Turns out they have a couple of vacant first class seats that they can upgrade, and it would only cost $500. This is a pretty good deal, given its long overnight flight. Luckily, I could also use some of my points, so I paid only about 150 for a massively better flight experience.
21:13 They issued the ticket. When I told my wife, she was very unhappy. She controlled it for the sake of being in an airport, but I could tell. She said it was very bad that I didn't ask her first, and it's too hard to manage three kids under 10. One is an infant by herself. I went back to the desk to see if it could be changed. They said it's not possible. That's convenient.
21:33 We landed now, and my wife refuses to talk to me and says we need a serious discussion. So, Tom Shaloo, is he the asshole. Yeah, obviously, I think he knows he is. It's unbelievable. He's a moron. I mean, it's, and I don't think he would even open this for dinner. discussion if, you know, if he wasn't anonymous, right? This guy didn't put his picture up there, and rightly so. Okay, complete idiot. And what in what world? Look, I'm very, I'm like a real
22:05 absent-minded dude, okay? I don't consult with my wife on many, many things that I probably should, but on this one, it's a no-brainer. Like, they call him up. What did he do? Hold on. Hold on. Let me just say, I don't think this is a bright line. I think there's some, some nuance in here. Okay. I have flown first class while my family has flown economy. Oh, well. I have done that. Your wife was on the flight. Listen. Well. Listen, I said Lawrence. Listen. Here's the way it's gone down. Like this man, I have a lot of points and I get upgraded from time to time. Okay. Okay. We often buy economy because we're frugal. And I get upgraded.
22:56 Now, here's how this is gone in my family, okay? There have been times that I've taken it, an equal amount of times that I've given it to my wife. I have even at times said to each of my boys who are not under 10 years old, you can have it on this occasion. This will be a nice treat for you. You can sit up there on this way. I think each boy has got to do it at least once. and the wife and I have probably split that scenario 50-50. But I have definitely sat up there.
23:26 You don't decline the upgrade. You don't go. No, you're not interested. No, you just give it to your wife. Yeah. Okay. You just give it to your wife. A hundred percent of the time?
23:34 A hundred percent of the time. But what if she says, no, you take it. Either the wife gets it. Either the wife gets it or everybody's suffering in a economy. That's just, you know what's crazy? I tell a true story. I'm not going to say his name because I don't want to get in trouble. I like my job for now.
23:55 I actually lost respect for someone one time because we were flying on a flight together and it was them and their wife. And I go, he's definitely going to give this seat to his wife, right? No. He sat up there in first class and chit-chatting with me the entire flight. And didn't wait for the wife. That's. Went to the baggage's claim.
24:24 Went to the baggage's claim. Didn't even wait for him when it was time. When he got off the plane. I go, this is horrible. This is horrible. And you're from Texas. He has a excuse. He's from New York.
24:37 I told you. You're from Texas. You go back. There's nuance. The nuance is that I don't have kids under 10. So I do think that is in his. This guy, in his story on Reddit, he broke a lot of rules. He proactively paid, even if it was just 150, to go up into first class.
25:00 He chose to leave his family behind. In my scenario, you have been elected. We're like to give you this thing. You don't decline. Now, back to me versus my wife. I don't just take it, Lawrence, and go, this is my time. Next time is yours, baby. We talk about it, and she's been like, often this is the case.
25:21 It's a conversation, and it usually is revolving around. I'm headed back to work. So whatever this vacation is, I'm going straight into work. And she's like, you get up there, you sleep, you get to go to work, or something like that. You know what I'm saying? No, I don't know what you're saying. Must be nice. No, I don't know what this is saying.
25:41 Absolutely not. Let's take a quick break. We're right back with Lawrence Jones and Tom Shaloo on Will Kane Country. Now more than ever, quality matters, but so does price. At Marshalls, you don't have to choose. You can get the good stuff for less, the stuff that lasts, because there's no point in tightening your belt if it's just going to break when you do. Get the good stuff in store at Marshalls today.
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26:31 Now that's music to your ears. Welcome back to Will Kane Country. We're still hanging out with Fox and Friends co-host Lawrence Jones. And Tom Shaloo, the man in front of a brand new Fox Nation docus series. series Houdini back from the dead. Okay. The justifications, guys. I'm actually shocked.
26:50 I'm not like all kidding aside. You know what it is? And I often tell people. For the record, Lawrence, for the record, Lawrence, for the record, I'm married. You're not. Wait until you're here. You're speaking in theory. I'm speaking after 20-something years of marriage.
27:09 But you know what, Will? I tell people about this. about you all the time. I said, you know, you have to remember Will just got back to Texas, right? This, you know this is unacceptable. You know that this. New York rubbed off too much. You won't raise that way, for sure. You know you were not raised that way. That is not.
27:33 At any point, is that ever acceptable for you to be sitting coasting in first class, whether the wife has the kids, are not, and they are in a crime ever. I'm the one that's been flying across this country for 52 weeks a year on a weekly basis that earn those points. I'm the one. Just to clarify. The sacrifice for the stupid points. Lawrence, a lot of eyes in there. To clarify, Will, you discussed it with your wife ahead of time, right? You didn't just say bye-bye, I'm sitting in first class, right? Correct. Okay, so I'm going to be the judge in this case. Lawrence, It's,
28:08 Will's okay. The Phantom Man on Reddit is not okay. All you got to do is discuss it with the wife. That's the rule. Yeah. And give her the option to say, my, my favorite thing is when women tell us,
28:23 let's have a conversation about it, and then they note it later, right? That's my favorite thing. It's like, hey, we talked about it, and you feel like you're all good. And then you look at her, and she's like, I'm like, something's up. And I'm like, what was wrong?
28:38 I thought, you said for me to just go. Like, you told me to just go hang with my friends that it was all good. Like, you didn't mind if I canceled or rescheduled or anything. Well, we talked about it. And it's like, no, I wanted you to make the right decision, which is my... I just wanted you to know what the right decision was. All right, bum, bum, bum, bum, back to game day of the midterms. By the way, this is good for three TV people to discuss.
29:06 I'm reading this morning about tension brewing in the booth. Monday Night Football between Troy Aikman and Joe Buck. Have you guys seen this story? Things are not all happy in the world of Disney and ESPN. Joe Buck has a new contract at Monday Night Football, but Troy Aitman does not. And I don't know what's going on. There's reports out there that it's now getting tense
29:29 before the game on Monday night. Maybe they got into it a little bit, Buck and Aikman, but it didn't bleed over into the broadcast. They had a smooth broadcast. Anyway, Aikman, if he is not renewed at ESPN, he's going to have options. Right. I think, you know what's interesting about this whole world? And by the way, what will be curious is if Tony Romo has options.
29:52 CBS using this absurdly using this DUI to get out of Tony Romo's $18 million a year contract. You've got CBS, NBC, ESPN, and Fox. four broadcast. Oh, in Amazon Prime. That's five. Five, right? So who are your play-by-play options? It is Collinsworth, Aikman, Olson,
30:20 JJ. Is J.J. Watt? Dan, he's now sitting in Romo's seat, at least part of the time, I think. I just think when you look at that, and I think this is true in media. You guys have both in media for a long time. I've noticed something, and maybe this is something I tell myself, but what goes up must come down,
30:42 and what goes up at a high rate of speed usually comes down at the similar rate of speed. Not always, but I think it's often that true. And grinder or value or hidden value over time kind of wins. What I'm getting at is Aikman's been like just consistently good. No one's ever been like, you know, remember what? they're raving about Romo. No one's ever raved about Akeman in the same way as they did about Romo in those first two years.
31:12 But as I've watched, and I watch a lot of football, I think Akeman, like, you know who everybody loves right now is Greg Olson? And Greg Olson is good. He's good. But I've got 10 to 15 years worth a track record or whatever it is with Troy Aikman at this point. It's like,
31:30 man, that's something you pay and hang on to. Somebody. CBS, you know, prime. Oh, Herb Street. I didn't throw a Herb Street in there because he's prime. But my point is, Aitman's going to find a spot, and I've come to value, Tom, like, I don't know, whatever Akeman is, is he like, is he like a Kirby Puckett, you know? Lawrence is too young to know Kirby Pucket. Is he, Lawrence is too, or Tony Gwynn? Like, okay, I'm not getting a bunch of home runs, but I'm batting 3.50.
32:06 every year on singles. Like, this is good. Yeah, and that's all you want. And that's the thing, is that I don't know if you want home runs in a sports broadcaster. You want just dependability and just, there's something about it. I mean, I think Joe Buck is, Joe Buck is, to me, he's irreplaceable. Like, he is, it does not surprise me that, I don't know what the details of this is. It could be that Troy Aikman's asking for something they can't give him or whatever.
32:34 But would you agree with me? If you're going to keep one, it's Joe Buck. Who's on the Joe Buck level out there? There's only a few guys who are, to me, absolutely dependable. Lawrence doesn't agree with me. No, no, no. I'm going to tell you why. If we remember when this deal happened,
32:55 Aikman made it a requirement. Aikman was hired first in the deal, and he required that Buck be along with him. when this initially first happened. So honestly, I'm not trying to disregard those that never really played the game at that level, because I do think that that criticism is often unfair. But I think the thing you get with Aikman is not just an experienced broadcaster, experienced player. And there are certain things that you can only see in the middle of the game
33:40 through the lens of a player. Like Tom Brady now. Right. Exactly. And, you know, hey, I didn't mention him. And by the way, he's gotten way, way, way better. Brady. Because it's comfortable. His rate of improvement is incredible. He's one of the top now. And you wouldn't say that if you're being fair, you wouldn't have said that his first season. Now you have to say that. And to continue the fairness, don't say it after the first season. Like, give somebody a minute to figure out the job.
34:12 Well, that was the problem with Romo, because what Romo did, and I still think he's a great broadcast. I think CBS wanted out of that deal anyway, and they used this as an opportunity. But he takes too many risks. You know, Romo
34:27 makes so many predictions before, and he gets a lot of them right, but he gets a lot them wrong as well. And I think as time, you know, continued, it started to annoy people. And he lost the interest. But the same reason why you love them is the same reason why you started to dislike them as well, whereas Aikman is way more stable. And that's my point about the rate of something going up usually correlates to the rate of it going down. Tom, to your point, this is just me. In general, I think the play-by-play
35:03 guy is more valuable than the analyst. And I'll tell you why. In my world, in my mind, okay, nostalgia, memory, when I think of sports, I hear the play-by-play guy's voice. I honestly hear Pat Summerall more than John Madden in my head. You know, I hear Al Michaels kind of regardless of who his partner is. And so there's those guys, and those are two of the best to ever do it, Al Michaels and Pat Summerall. So I think just that seat is responsible for setting the tone that becomes nostalgia for the game. Yeah, I agree. And I was going to say that if, because growing up, it was play-by-play and the color guy. And they were very much two different things. the color guy was allowed to be a little bit silly
35:58 and he didn't have the kind of the gravitas of the play by play. I think there's less of those hard lines today. Like if I said to my daughter, that's the play-by-play guy, that's the color guy should say, what are you talking about? Do you agree with that? Yes, yes. I mean, the jobs are still distinct, but they speak equally. You're right, I think a kid wouldn't really understand the differentiation in the roles.
36:22 By the way, there's a name working today, I would put up there with the all-time greats, and it's not just in football, I'm talking about across all sports, one of the great Al Michaels level play-by-play guys who hasn't been mentioned yet today. Who do you think I'm thinking of? Because I want to know if you agree with me. Honestly, there's a couple.
36:44 So I think Musburger belongs up there. And the funny thing is they begin to be a, so when I think Musburger, I think college sports. You're looking live at Keith Jackson for college sports. I think Ian Eagle is really good. Who are you thinking of, Tom? Mike Tariko. Oh, yeah, he's good.
37:10 The Olympics? I was watching the Olympics only for him. He's so good across all sports. And there's no spotlight on him. He's like subtle. He's like a jazz master. I love him. It's not about him.
37:27 It's just about the game. I guess it's more of a preference thing, Will, because when I'm listening, because I'm already watching, right, but I'm listening for the color. I'm listening for, that intrigues me, the perspective of it. The way I look at it is how I look at the blood sport of politics as well. I respect news anchors, but I really laugh. John to that person that provides. There's a reason why the opinion side,
38:03 when we're looking at the salary cap, is a little bit different than the news guy, right? Because people want that color. They want something to relate to, and they want the color. Let's take a quick break. We're right back with Lawrence Jones and Tom Shaloo on Will Kane Country. Now more than ever, quality matters, but so does Price. At Marshall's, you're right.
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39:08 co-host Lawrence Jones, and Tom Shaloo, the man in front of a brand new Fox Nation docu series, Houdini back from the dead. Yeah, I don't know. I think Hammer makes more money than me. I don't know what you're talking about. Says the black guy. Right, exactly, exactly, exactly. You can get colors that more ways and more. People want some color. That's it.
39:36 They need just some seasoning. That's it, you know? Back to the game day of midterms for a second. Lawrence, you're a Texan. You do live in New York, which does remove you a little bit from the day to day. It does. I'm not taking a shot. Yeah, you are, but that's okay. No, no, I'm not. I'm not. I mean, honestly, man, you just, the, the, what you lose, you don't know, you haven't lost what it means to be a Texan.
40:08 You don't fail to understand the culture of Texas. None of that. What you're missing is the day-to-day conversations that happen in Texas when I ask you, do you really think we, we're missing? could elect James Tolariko? Not this term. Not this turn. Not this term. Because what I see when I come back home is the sign craziness, which I think can scare people because you see so many of the signs. But this happened with Beto as well.
40:43 His signs are everywhere. And it was a two-point race. So I'm not saying that it's not a crucial race. I think Paxton is still going to pull it off because, I don't think we've reached that stage yet, but it's coming. And I'll follow it up with this, and we don't have too much time to discuss it. But Will, I've started to rethink the branding of Come to Texas, right? I think we made a really bad miscalculation when we said,
41:17 businesses, people, come all, leave your policies where you left. but come here and join the liberty of Texas. I think it was a fatal error. I do because it is changing. Two points is way too close. And it's not just Taurica. The governor's race is pretty doggone close as well. You know, I think it's a legitimate concern.
41:46 It's a concern I've given speeches on. I have said if I were governor of Texas, I'm going to institute an indoctrination welcome packet that everyone has to pass. We're not going to call it citizenship, but, you know. Look, man, every kid in Texas has to take Texas history. It's literally seventh grade. And so, like, I don't, there's power in that.
42:05 There's power and understanding who you are and where you came from, and you can't just move here because you like guns, you know. Yeah, that's, that's wild to someone like me or Lawrence. But, you know, I'm not sure, Lawrence. I'm not sure if, you know, know, the people that have moved to Florida have made Florida more conservative. And I'm not sure that that's not happening in Texas. I don't buy polling.
42:32 So I had the governor at this desk last week. And I'm going to be honest, in the makeup room, I said to him, governor, come on. It's not that close. Everybody's talking about this. It's not that close. And he swore to me, it is. I said, you've got your internal polling. I don't trust polling.
42:51 And he said, well, it is. And I'm like, there's no way. A no name, Gina Hinojosa is seriously within a couple of points of view, a three-term governor of Texas. There's just no way. Now, if that is, because I'll tell you, the Paxton-Talor Rico race, people outside the state don't appreciate this. Don't talk to me about DSA. Don't talk to me about affordability. Don't talk about any of that.
43:19 It's about Ken Paxton. that there's just a lot of people that will not vote for Ken Paxton. And so that's what that's about. But if it's true that it's not just the Tala Rico-Rexton race, then maybe I'll join you. And I'll be like, you know what? We've brought too many people in for jobs at Goldman Sachs that don't see it the same way and turn it into New York. But for now, I'm just having trouble believing that that's what we're going to do, that we're going to elect the guy. with we've all played the greatest hits god is non-binary six genders and so forth i just i just can't believe
44:00 it hey tom um you have a brand new special up at fox nation it's about harry houdini which i think is absolutely fascinating it's called houdini back from the dead i was looking at the various episodes and i wanted to ask you about two aspects of houdini so first talk to me about i recently sat down what one of my sons is super into like the best movies of all time list. If he sees it on TikTok or Instagram, he's like, let's watch that. And I love it because it means we're watching stuff that's, you know,
44:29 the furthest we've gone back is he's watched Shawshank and Fight Club, and Lubowski, so 90s, 90s, and he likes them. We watch The Prestige, which is Christopher Nolan. Yeah. Yeah, Christian Bale. So good. Hugh Jackman. It's really good.
44:48 And it made me think about Houdini when I saw, reading about your series and Houdini's relationship with his rivals. Yeah. And there's a lot of that in this documentary because, obviously, the prestige, it's based on magic from that era. And there was a lot of, among the magicians of that time, there was a lot of camaraderie and a lot of, obviously, rivalry as well. And so you see that in this documentary. There's actually a, there's a lot about Houdini's brother. They created a rivalry because Houdini was a master of promotion, you know, kind of like P.T. Barnum.
45:27 He was able to get attention for everything he did. And so he did create a fake rivalry with his brother for a while, like the prestige. But the amazing thing about this documentary is that it is, it's like so many of the documentaries we've seen, historical documentaries, like one of my favorites of all time is the History Channel 1, the men who built America. and it's just great, you know, great early Americana. And you see things through reenactments with the actors. And in this one, take a look at the visuals of this. This is the first documentary series, three-part series,
46:04 and it is all made with AI-generated imagery. 100%. Everything you're seeing right here is AI. And so I keep saying this to people. if you're into AI as an idea, if you want to know about the latest of what's happening in AI, you want to watch this. If you hate AI and you say, I don't want to see any AI imagery, I hate it, it's slop, get it out of my feed, you want to watch this series because this is the promise of what AI imagery is going to be like today and in the future. This is incredible, Tom, I'm looking at the images while you're talking. I just had a conversation with that same sun last night, because,
46:45 Because he's into stories and writing. I said, do you know how easy it would be for you to create, you know, video versions of your stories with AI? Like you could do that. You could put them on TikTok, you could on Instagram, because I get those. There's like these little serialized stories that are in my feed, and they're all AI. And the point is the production cost and ease of creating something like this is dropping like a rock. Our mutual friend, Lawrence, I'd love to have a conversation with Gavin Haddon,
47:12 who runs Fox Nation, about the cost. I don't know. What did this cost to do with AI? And I just let everybody really quickly. Dan, you play the trailer. Look at the quality of this if you're watching on YouTube or Facebook. I've escaped handcuffs, straight jackets, prisons, even being buried alive. But eventually one thing caught me. Death. Until now. Through the magic of artificial intelligence, I will return. No smoke. No mirrors.
47:45 The world called me the greatest escape artist who ever lived. Now, watch my last performance. On the 100th anniversary of my passing, I will do the impossible. No stage, no locks, no hidden keys. Just me, returned from the grave, to tell you my story in my own words. I'm Harry Dean.
48:19 I don't think I ever knew what he looked like, to be honest. Yeah, in that space. You saw it. There was one shot in there that had the archival photograph. The AI imagery here was built using those photographs. So you've probably seen those programs that can turn an old photograph into kind of a video. This is the kind of thing they did. So pretty much everything you're seeing, it's based on reality.
48:42 The Harry Houdini character is, you know, generated from old photographs of Harry Houdini. And there are actor performances in this. The actors portrayed the characters in it. So the voice you're hearing, those are voice performances by actors. So there's a lot going into this. It wasn't just, hey, computer, you know, make me a documentary. Incredible. Really? And what a great character, Harry Houdini, to explore.
49:11 All right, this has been fun. That's at Fox Nation. Houdini, back from the dead. Tom Shaloo is here to bring it to us. Make sure you check that out at Fox Nation. Always check out Lawrence Jones at Fox and Friends. Really enjoyed it, fellas. Thanks for hanging out with us today. See you, ma'am. Thanks.
49:27 All right. Thank you as well. Make sure you falls on Spotify or Apple. We'll see you next time. Listen to ad-free with a Fox News podcast plus subscription on Apple Podcasts. And Amazon Prime members, you can listen to this show, ad-free on the Amazon Music app. Hold music. Not exactly what you want to hear when a pipe just burst in your basement is flooding. and your vinyl collection is getting soaked. And your cat just floated by on a sofa cushion? That's why intact insurance answers 2 million claim calls per year within 20 seconds. It's their way of going the extra mile to help.
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