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But if you take brisket or pull pork or sliced turkey and you put it on a baked potato with sour cream, cheese, green onions, sweet barbecue sauce, my question to you is that a meal? Is that an entree? Or is that just a filler? But we need to ask somebody. We need to ask a high-level elite eater. We need somebody to consume this. But before we bring him in, Bach, give me something that lets the people know who this fine, young man.

You got it? You're ready. They don't take a thing here. I know you. I'm giving you the lead up, man. Right? Set the table. We're going inside the octagon for the next hour.

rage outside of the cage, all the things that we're talking about. Bob. It looks like it here. Keep leading me up here. Listen to this. Listen to this, Bob. I'm just going to let it air out, man, because I need this from you. I have to keep Bach on his toes.

You're going to have to. I have to keep Bach on his toes. There we go. Oh, that's tight. That's tight. Oh, he tapped. He tapped and he loved. He's a heart.

Got to be careful with your neck, there. Submit, Vitor Petrino. You got to watch that day. Anthony Smith told you, there are levels to this game. Wow.

You aren't there proved it. It's so funny to be that. You get a look. Whenever you, Daniel Cormier's voice comes across, you get a look on your face. Your eyes changed. Because I can remember where I was.

Yeah? I remember exactly where I was. I remember how I felt. I remember what I remember what I was thinking while he was talking. Yeah, I just, it's just a moment in time. Right. That, that if you go to that place and when you lock it in, Mm-hmm.

And then is it, is it me or are you holding your breath? Or does your breathing, breathing change at all when you lock it in and you just wait? You know you have it. And you're waiting for the tap. I slow them, I slow my breathing down in that moment because I have to take really deep breaths. This is really inside baseball here. But when you have a choke like that, the idea is that you need to close down as much space

as you possibly can to finish it. So I have pretty long arms anyways. Yeah. So it's hard for me to close that space down. So once I got the choke in, if I expand my chest, it takes away more space for him to breathe. So my body is blocking off one side of his ability to breathe

and the blood go into his brain. So as soon as I lock it, I have to take really, really slow breaths because I'm trying to expand my chest as wide as I can get it to close down the space on his neck. And there's also the factor of not trying to burn out your arms, right? Oh, no, no, no. That doesn't exist in my world. Yeah!

In every facet of my life, for the entire 37 years I've been on this earth, my philosophy has been descended. You put your foot to the floor and you don't lift until you see a checkered flag or Jesus. He's just like in the table. And the tap is, here's what I know about you too. You're not an immediate release guy. No, it's not on purpose. It's not on purpose. But I want you to understand.

You can go and watch Anthony, when he's finishing somebody, there's the thing that happens, right? That his aura changes. And then it's, he gets the tap and it's like, but wait. there's more. I'm just dug in like a tick. I'm dug in like a tick.

It's going to take more than that. To be fair, I think I've gotten a lot of grief, I think, especially when I was younger. You know, you hit someone with a big shot and they go down. From the outside, they're very clearly out. That's an unconscious man. But I don't see it like that.

So I'm trying to get to him to finish before he potentially wakes up and we have to keep doing this. So it's actually fear. like it comes off like arrogance and I'm trying to just get another one or two before that, you know, before the referee can get there because I'm being a, I'm being a jerk. Yeah. It's not a sphere.

I'm afraid that he's going to wake up before, before the referee stops it. So you just try to get to him as fast as possible. Have you done the science to know how hard you have to hit somebody? Like what is that? That's not a lot. That pressure per pound. Yeah. I don't know exactly what that number is, but it's a lot smaller than you think.

Do you go to those, when you see those machines that we use those punch machines that measure? Like you've never No. No, that's a big attention drawer right there. See, I say that and people get mad at me. I said, there are things that are drawn for the, for the UFC mark, but for the fan who's just really going to buy in all the way.

They're looking for another reason. They do it in WWE. They do it with the pressure, the grip pressure, right, to see what kind of hand pressure you can generate in it and the science behind it. But you've never knocked somebody out and not, no, I got it. Like, you landed the punch and went. Oh, it's like a home.

Like you can feel it when it hits the sweet spot on the bat you know that you know that ball is gone Yeah it's it's it's kind of the same thing with a punch like you can you can feel it like I've like when I hit Shogun yeah when I was in Germany and I hit him with that nasty right hand yeah I was a bit unsure Because it was really like thudding and he kind of absorbed a lot of it and it kind of hurt my remember hurting my elbow Because it was such a hard shot that doesn't necessarily always mean it's a clean shot means he kind of absorbed it and didn't really move. And so I didn't realize for a few seconds that he was actually hurt until I, he actually rolled his ankle.

He was trying to stay up and he rolled his ankle. I realized he was hurt. But, you know, like when I, I don't know, Elvis Mutajik, it felt like I missed. Like it's just a tiny bit of resistance. From the baseball side, we always say that you, hitting a home run makes you feel like almost you feel nothing. Yeah. Like you feel nothing.

Like, that's how clean it is. I just went. that thing just went off and then you go. And there's the sound. Oh, yeah. There's a sound. And listen,

for those that have never been at a live UFC event, the sounds of a live UFC event are unlike anything that I've ever been a part of. One time I was at the apex and it was probably two guys knowing, I'm going to say these two names,

I bet unless you're a hardcore, you're not going to know who they are. It was Tanner Bozer fighting Alir Latifie. They're both 205ers that moved up to heavyweight. So they were kind of, they were soft um and we were i was just sitting cage side i was sitting next to bisman and it was like two cars would back up and then ram each other and then they would back up again

and they would the impacts of those two guys coming together for 15 minutes was one of the most disgusting things i've been a part of i couldn't believe it and so i'm saying that like to bisman after the fight like what in the hell was that right he goes that's what it's like every time you fight. I was like, man, it's I didn't feel like it when you're in there. I told the story on air. I forget which Carter was. I want to say it was Orlando. And I was,

I was right next to the Octagon. And it was the first time that, oh no, it was Roundtree. It was Cleo Roundtree. Yeah. And it was a war. That was, it was a beatdown. But the blood spatter on my

blazer took me a minute to kind of. Oh, yeah. I had to have a conversation with myself. Bach, I look, the person sitting next to me is also media, and they're looking at my blazer, and they're just kind of giving me the

dog sideways head tilt of, hey, bro, you need to, you might need to go clean that out. You need a tide wipe, dog. Right, you need to. And it was a black blazer.

Fresh blood is a different deal. and it depends on who you are hey man i i listen your bloodthirst is real though right the the fighter so i i've i've done a lot of things over over you know my time in the broadcasting on the broadcasting side of things to try to humanize us a little bit yeah those conversations like this make it hard it's because you're barely human bro there is a very distinct okay i'm going to start this off. Fighting is in everybody's DNA. It's instinctual. I think I said this a couple weeks ago that if we're walking through a grocery store and a fight breaks out and there's a 80-year-old lady that's in there, she's going to clutch her pearls and scream and holler about it, but she's not

going to look away. She's not going to look away. People want to know. People are drawn to it. She wants to know. Who gets the bone? Yep. Who's going to win? Who's better? And I don't think that that's an act of thought that goes through people's head, but it's just an instinctual thing you're going to watch. Another part of the those instincts are it's this fight or flight mentality kind of. So once you're in there and the cage doors shut, you're a different person. I'm not the dad that's hanging out with my kids.

I'm not, I'm a totally different person when I'm in there. But the smell, this is the part that makes tough, like when I'm humanizing this, the smell of blood is different. And it, it turns on like a fear, like a fear mechanism because you're not, you're not used to smelling that.

It's an odd smell. It's like a very metallic smell too, it and it does put you in that fight or flight mentality where you kind of just shut off the rest of the world. Your ability to define those moments from the analyst side of it, it's part of the charm, right, that Anthony will go into the corner of the octagon that a lot of people won't go. Can't go because they're not willing to expose that part of themselves and say, listen, I'm here as the analyst to expose you to parts of it that you're curious about or maybe not. never even thought about. And I think the transition of that for me is taking it to other sports.

We were talking about the physicality. Is it is it a skill? Is it trainable? Can you get better at your toughness? How would you define toughness? Because Nebraska football, we're talking about, you know, they don't have the big 330-pound defensive line this year. They don't have the big monstrosities up front. So if you're more athletic, you have to do something, the toughness will come into play because friction happens. So how do you define toughness? And is it different in fighting versus football? I don't believe it's that much different. It's just a different type of physicality for sure, a different type of toughness.

I don't know if this is going to ruffle feathers, but if I'm just being very honest, people in general are just less tough these days than they used to be. I'm as big of a fan of the NIL deals and these players being paid and being taken care of and being able to have rights to their marketing because the NCAA has been, is made a gazillion dollars off the back of players in college at the Division I level, at any level, I guess. But so I've always believed that the players that they deserve that and I will foster that and I will support them as much as I possibly can.

But it does at times. tend to maybe diminish some of that toughness a little bit. Easy times don't necessarily always create really tough people. So you're talking about wanting defensive linemen that are coming off of Western Nebraska farms that are hungry and their, I guess their backup plan is to end up back where they grew up to continue to do the farming thing, which is an incredible life when I'm not saying anything about it, negative about it, but these guys are hungry, or at least they were. They were hungry. They were

grinding. They were fighting every single day for maybe just an opportunity to find themselves in the league and create a different life for themselves. A lot of these guys are playing way later in college and staying a lot longer because they're making more money in college and they're going to make if they get drafted. So I will say that the more money you have doesn't necessarily mean the better the athletes they're going to be or the tougher they're going to be. That might be better. athletes, but they're not going to be any tougher. So I think that's part of it. I think some of it is just learned, or some of it is just how you're born, not necessarily learned. Some people are just born different. And you can tell right away when you meet them. I met, I met Derek Wolf,

defensive linemen for the Broncos forever, right? I met Derek Wolf in Denver. And his eyes are just different. That's a rich, rich man, but you wouldn't know it by talking to him or how he conducts himself around people. He's just different. His brain works different. His mind is, you can just look in his eyes and say, that's a, that guy's lucky he found football. Like, there's not as many of those these days. Von Miller's kind of the same. Vaughn is just different. He doesn't care about, of course everyone wants the money, but that's not his focus. He doesn't even necessarily care about winning until the end of his career, Von Miller never cared about winning. He wanted to be physical and hit people and get to the ball carry.

That was it. That was it. John Thompson used to say this, that he identified players by this principle, that if they were fighting on a cliff, there are those that fight as though their back is to a clip. Then there are those that know

there's a mattress at the bottom of the cliff. One fights like there is no mattress because there isn't. And the other fights like there is a mattress because there is. And that was the difference. And his toughness, He wanted players who understood the difference. Now, I'll ask you this because we talked about Bud Crawford.

And I think that that's a different type of mentality. That's right. That's different. That's different. You can spend five minutes around him and not have any idea what he is, what he does, who he is, how great he is. If you know nothing about Terrence Crawford, just a random stranger, you spend five minutes with him,

you'll immediately say, that guy's different. What's the difference? What do you think it is? It's an edge. There's an edge to it. There's a, there's a sense of confidence, like a quiet, humble confidence that it's hard to even put a description to. Like, that guy knows he's the absolute best.

And you may not even know what it's, what it is at. But if a stranger meets that guy, like, I don't know what that guy does, but he's great at something. And it's just, it's different. It's different. And every high performer like that, you've spent a little time around DC. Mm-hmm.

It's kind of a clown, kind of a, kind of a goofball. Until. Until he's having a serious conversation. Ooh. There it is. There it is. There you go.

There's the predator. There's the same way. This thing's the same way. Like, it's his comes off a little more arrogant, maybe that some people's. He and K.L. both have a little bit. Gales the same way. Right.

It's different. Right. That's different. They let you know that, listen, I have this suit on, I have on this $7,000 suit. But if I take this tie off. Right. There'll be some furniture. It's going to be a different deal.

It's even the way that they care. Like, you can watch chill, son and walk. It's not a swag. He's not looking super cool. You can watch that guy walk down the street, so that guy's important. There's just an aura. It's different. I try to tell, we call it athletic arrogance, was a term that Joe

Gibbs used and that identifying that when he does combines and press before he knows who the player is in his heart the athletic arrogance will tell him that he has confidence in things that Joe Gibbs hasn't seen right that he's been in he's been in spaces that's there I was asked to ask this of you so I'll ask you how good would Bud Crawford be in the UFC he'd have been a world champion no questions asked no questions asked no I don't I have zero doubt zero because the guy could wrestle. He's got nationally ranked children that wrestle. I've watched him with guys that have fought in the UFC,

just wrestling around being funny. He's not getting smoked. Now the jiu-jitsu part of it's a different, that's a different deal, the grappling and that part of it's different. But if he was 10 years younger and you could develop that part of his game, at 135 pounds, 145 pounds, he's going to beat that guy? There's nobody the weight class is taking that right hand. Like it's just not.

somebody he's just different and that's the thing some of these guys Terrence Crawford would be a world champion at anything if it was 20 years ago when he chose tennis he'd have been the best tennis player it's it it's not all just physically of course he's a extremely gifted athlete but a lot of his work ethic his mentality his mindset when it comes to growth it's different It is fascinating, right? That the crossover, the thing that connects, you were talking about Coach Rule and how he talks about the game. And there's a level of confidence that has to be spoken, right? Especially when you're leading, when you're leading.

When we talk about Coach Rule and how he's leading this football team. What do you see? that makes the Husker fan who's listening, it will give them confidence. What things are we listening for from that rule? I picked up on this a little bit more the other day. I was listening to something from him. And there's such a, it's hard to explain.

There's such a fine line between being a dictator and someone who's just ruling over them. You've got to do this. You've got to be here. you got it like that's different that's different and not all not all people some people react to that really well they you get a lot out of people like that yep generally it's not the case though generally people then you just have a boss nobody likes having a boss so if if you can make the people around you feel like this isn't i'm not leading you we're doing this together

i'm just the one with the ideas that that's the vibe that i get you from Coach Role is this isn't me telling, like from his point of view, his perspective, it's not me telling you this is what you have to do so that we can be successful. Because those things don't sound great when you're an athlete. I'm telling you this is what you need to do so that we can be successful. That doesn't sound like an exchange of confidence here. This is me saying, if you mess this up, we all fail. Nobody likes hearing that.

But if I'm telling you guys, here's what we need to do as a team. I'm going to go down this road with you. And we all have our different roles. The kickers kick, the, you know, the receivers catch the ball, the quarter, you know, like everyone has their positions. As a coach, this is just what, this is just my position on the team. This isn't me coaching you guys through this process. I'm going through it with you, but I'll be the first one. I'll walk through the fire first as long as you guys follow me.

And that's the difference. It's a family. Like he has a very family vibe to it. Even when he talks, it's not like, well, the team does this and the team does. We do this and we do that. And these guys aren't taking naps and eating lunch and taking all this time off in between practices and meetings. Like we're focused on recovery. We're focused.

Like it's a we thing. It makes a big difference. And as an athlete, a lot of times we're just big, dumb meatheads. And if you can convince us or show us that you're in it with us, you know, we kind of just get them, well, okay, goes, whatever you want to do. I'll just do it. Like through the wall through the wall. And that's all you need. Like as long as I know that you care as much as I care.

And that's just the vibe I get from Coach Roll. Even at the WWE. Like he's there with the players like fist bumping and having a good time. But it was very clear in that group of people who the leader is. And they know he went through it. Right. They know he, you know what? I'm going to ride with you.

There's this whole thing. We're going to ride through it together. Right. It's special. We're going to go to break. Before we go to break, though. we're going to we're going to resolve a thing once and for all right Eric has texted in and he asked can you please ask Anthony if GSP is the goat Anthony Smith what say you right now yes sir right

no he's not as much as much as I would like Eric I'm sorry as much as I would love to listen it doesn't make me feel good to have to tell you that John Jones is the greatest of all the time I don't have to like it you don't have to like it either we don't have to like him but GSP, although an incredible athlete, although incredibly successful, numbers don't lie. John Jones has more title fights. He's beat three different, like, eras of fighters,

the ones that came before him, the ones that were in his era, and the ones that came after him. And now he was going back through and doing it again. If you look at the strength of schedule, John Jones has beat the who's who of 205 pounders. Obviously moved up to heavyweight, beat the greatest heavyweight of all time.

He beat no less than five or six Hall of Famers, probably 10 former future world champions. There's just no comparison. And I don't like him either. I think GSB is a way better person. He's way more likable. He's better for the community. He's better for the industry.

He's better for who you want your kids to look up to and be like. They answer to all those questions is GSB 100% of the time. Who's the greatest fighter of all time in terms? of their accomplishments is John Jones. Who's the most skilled mixed martial arts of all time? Hands down, no question, Demetius Johnson. Mighty Mouse.

Love it. Love it. Boy, Anthony Light Hart Smith, when we go back to the ticket. You're listening to one-on-one with DP, sponsored by Mary Ellen's Food for the Soul on 937 The Ticket and the Ticketfm.com. Uh-oh, who's the DJ? That's it, man. Sometimes you got to send them.

message. Sometimes. Bach is getting more and four. The more he hangs out on one-on-one, he gets, every now and I give him one. Him and Harrison, I have to take Austin, I have to take him back outside of Lincoln. There we go. You know, you've got to take him outside

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See, I didn't even have to, I didn't even have to, I didn't have to tell him the alley-oop was coming. Agreed. And that's, and that is the, that is the argument. But the, I mean, let's just, are we getting real? We're getting real. We're getting real. Bach has the dumb button.

He's prepared. I'd say 50%, 60, 70% of the people that John Jones beat were also not clean. That was earlier on, a lot of those guys were early on in his career. That was pre-Usada. I'm not going to point any fingers directly because a lot of them, a lot of them haven't been caught. but I can assure you that I was in those rooms. I've been in those gyms. I've heard those conversations.

The vast majority of those guys early, especially early on his career, we're all doping. John was just an idiot and got caught. So at that point in time, it was an IQ test. It was less about being a performance-enhancing drug test. I love how you just said.

It really is the thing. Are you willing to do the thing just because you can't? Right. And so later on in his career, we've seen those fights get closer. as he was clean, I would only tell you is that I know for a fact that John Jones was clean when him and I fought because he was going through that pulsing stuff. He was going through, you know, those things.

And so he was extremely overly tested, almost daily for months before my fight with him. And he was clean. And I spent 25 minutes in there with him. He's the greatest of all time. it is simple in the statement that as you evaluate fighters sometimes it is away from the octagon that filters factors into it does factor into it is okay okay think about this in terms of cycling was lance armstrong the best to ever do it yes why can't we say that about john

It's the same conversation. It's the same conversation. That once science gets involved. If Lance Armstrong, if nobody doted, the results are exactly the same. That's the Lance Armstrong argument. If everybody was clean,

Lance Armstrong wins by a larger margin. It's the same thing in baseball. But the Bear Bonds, Mark McGuire, conversation, Roger Clemens, right, that if you're talking about the sport, the same thing happened in the NFL, whether people and how we don't talk about it with the NFL.

It still happens in the NFL. It's mind-blowing. Mind-blowing. We don't talk about it in college sports. Like, I don't want to burst anybody's bubble, but athletes in general, if given the opportunity to get ahead, I know that you want to,

I know that you guys want to say, well, no, not my favorite player. Not this. Not this guy. Not. If there's an opportunity to get ahead and get an advantage, to win and extend your earning potential and you don't think you're going to get caught they're probably going to there's a small percentage of guys that won't and it is a small i never did

but it was really be same conversation we had last week i don't really hang out with fighters i'm not in those circles it was never really presented with the opportunity i would have had to have thought about it made the decision sought it out and then done it a lot of times these guys are just like, well, he's doing it just right here. I'll do, you know, like it's more of an opportunity, opportunistic type of thing when they start. Most people will. Most people will.

Yeah, I mean, depending on the sport, and now it's bled its way into the NBA conversation, right, of saying, well, geez, you're asking people to play 80 plus games, 100 if you count playoffs and preseason. They are. And their test are random. Yeah, bigger, strong.

or faster, random. They know when they're coming. They know who's getting tested. But it's not, I would say the UFC is the cleanest sport. By far. And the fact that the science is always ahead of the testing. Yes.

Yes. The tests are always chasing the smarter people. Because there's more money. If you're a biologist or some crazy smart kid in college, what do you want when you get out of college? You want money? Of course you do. You got a whole lot of student loans to pay off.

The money isn't beating the test, not in creating it. Because now you're working for universities. You're working for the government, essentially. I love that you just said that. It's a government job. I love that you just said that. Or you can get five or six NFL players to just put you on salary. You make, I don't know, half million dollars a year and make sure that they're getting

whatever they need and they're passing their tests. Or you can make 95 and work at U.S. CLA and create a test chasing those guys that you were also in school with and know the exact same thing that you know. And the fact that you're going to do, each sport has its own specialty that they check. For sure. Right, that it's not the same. It's literally not the same. That's how creatine got into the system and moved around it because it was focused and sent. It's when it flipped sports that it became the conversation point. You go, well, wait a minute. And then the same things in play because as it starts to bleed from men to win.

to women, right? Now that women in sports are now addressing it and now the testing because they spent the lion's share of testing randomness towards men in sports. The big titles, the big names, the big events.

And then they realized as women's events became more known, more important, and otherwise, wait a minute, we need to test the women the same level we do the men. And it's WMBA, it's UFC. Remember UFC said,

Dana said, listen, this's not a space we're going to go into. Well, the testing was behind it. Right. In the women. And the women, the science behind women fighters is that it's more difficult. The science has more value on the women's side. Right. Here's where I get frustrated

is where you get all these people that are, you know, they're just, I don't know, they're putting some of these guys on pedestals. And us as athletes, again, I'm not going to point any fingers, but you start seeing these athletes that are competing deep into their 30s and 40s. They're like, no way, bro. There's no way.

There's no way you're doing that on regular air. It's impossible. And again, I'm not pointing fingers because I don't know. Everybody goes, you go right into the space in your mind. Right. Everyone knows. Everyone knows who's bouncing the ball way later and he should be. Yep.

There's no way. There's no way. There's no way. It's impossible. It's impossible. Humans aren't built like that. There's not a person on Earth that's genetically gifted. enough to be able to play that many games at that level for that many years into their 40s

on regular air. It's not possible. I tried. I literally tried from 17 to 37. I made it 20 years and I'm probably about four or five years past when I should have. It's just it doesn't work like that. Well, you had a, and you had a neck that was telling you, amen. I had a neck and some knees and some hands and elbows and shoulders and feet and how many surgeries have you had and how many will you have to have? Oh, I'm probably 15 already. And I got maybe three or four left. That you know of, right?

That are on deck? Yeah, yeah. Right? And these are these reconstructive or just to fix? So a little bit of both, a little bit of both. Right? To go through and to be able to choose how are you going to go through this? Yeah, I'm just trying to get back to normal.

you were never normal physically you were never normal I'd like to be able to walk in a room without you hearing me first you and me both man I'm saying that is that is the thing Anthony Lanhart Smith

is with us and Bigby says this and I love the point says whatever you were to allow people to dope to certain levels or percentages how do you think that would look well we tried that we tried that one time it's a fair question

question. Back in the day they used to give these things athletic commissions before you saw it came in and took over the drug testing. And now it's a drug free sport that test the UFC fighters. The athletic commissions kind of handled it all. And that's where it came in to be like an IQ test where it was, you know, you just had to be clean that day. The tests weren't super invasive. They weren't really expensive and high, you know, they weren't, they just weren't great tests. Yeah. So you used to be able to apply for a TUE, which is a therapeutic. use exemption and so guys you know dan henderson had one frank meir had one randitare like a lot of these guys this is a much deeper issue this is deep this is deep this is deep because

they could apply for those t ues for like testosterone replacement therapy because they were all aging fighters had low t levels well then what happens then a then a feller by the name of vitor belfort comes in gets himself a tewe and he takes his levels way past what's therapeutic he's he's crushing like 2000 level like on his test that's a crazy story but it's crazy so he gets an exemption and he just manipulates his his levels so when it's time for him to test he's able to manipulate his levels back down to it within range and then just gases himself up on diesel fuel and then by the time he gets into the fight if you guys want to have a little bit of fun google vitor belfort before and after or google t rt vtor and regular vtore now

It's, well, now he looks good because he's not competing and he's just juiced up again. But it was night and day. The TRT era in mixed martial arts is a place in history where you've seen actual people change completely what they look like. Like you got guys like Vitor that were just shredded veins across his abs, hyper aggressive. just that guy would go head on with a rhinoceros, like just, he was a different person. Usada comes in and then Vitor Belfort starts looking like a melting ice cream cone. It's totally different.

He'd look like a completely different person. So we did try and people abused it, so they took it away completely. And some of it. To answer your question. Right. Yeah, but that's why they ask. And in some of those cases, it is the geographical location and culture that the fighters come from.

that's and that's the other issue like in russia and brazil you can just walk down to the pharmacy and get testosterone and estrogen blockers and trend and like you can just walk down to the to the corner store they will hook you up and in historically i think we probably everyone knows this story russia's not above cheating they're not above cheating so what happens is that russia and like other countries are different. So here in the United States, athletes are definitely propped up and held up as figures.

But in other countries, specifically Russia, athletes are gods. So they're supported by the government. These people never work. They never have jobs. The government gives them these huge mansions. They give them Mercedes and all these nice cars

to drive. And the government will fund their performance enhancing properties. Because it's more important for them to beat those other countries. It's more important for them. them to win than to be fair. So, I mean, there's that long, you know, there was that long story about the, you know,

the USADA guys and then Russia created that tunnel and they were taking the bottles out and the cracking the lids and replacing it with clean urine. I mean, it's a whole thing. It's documented. So, but, seriously, this would be an entire two-hour show for sure, just on testing because being, I've said it, I've said it a hundred times on air here. When I go to weigh-ins and see how the bodies are being manipulated and how. how this stuff works on the final few days before a fight.

It is the most humbling, mind-shaking thing that I experience in the course of a year is Friday night, Thursday night, and Friday morning way in. It is, it, from every perspective, it's eyeball changing. We'll throw it to break, come back. We'll close that with Anthony Lionheart Smith, get you all set for Bach and the Hall of Fame black shirt here on the ticket. Download our app by searching 93.7 the ticket in your app store.

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