1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - Athletes that are still athletic outsid eof their sport: June 15th, 10am

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

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It's time to go one-on-one with D.P. Coming at you live from the couple Chevrolet GMC Studios. Here is your host, Derek Pearson. Brought you by Mary Ellen's Food for the Soul. On 93-7 The Ticket and the Ticket FM.com. Welcome to it, one-on-one on Wednesday. We've got lots going on. I do want to kind of give a heads up.

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If you want to contribute to it. A lot of the conversation that I want to get into is best athlete. Because, and I coached across sports. So I was in a lot of, this space where I would look at an athlete in one sport and then I could picture him in another sport. So if there was somebody that was an exceptional baseball player, I could then, if he's a centerfielder, I pretty much, I'm sure I could turn him into a wide receiver, a defensive back. Really?

Center fielder's hip swivel, foot placement, being able to move at a high, speed with your head at an angle, which not everybody is able to do, right? Point guards and basketball tend to, would tend to make pretty good running backs and receivers. Literally one of the best multiple. You see a lot of them turning into quarterback. One of the, one of the best multiple sports, well, because it's decision making. It's the movement of people and the orchestration of people in a confined space.

So that translates and transfers. but one of the toughest multisport athletes that I ever faced in high school that I coached against was a guy that who was he played point guard on the basketball team he was a sprinter but he also was a pretty good outfielder

but he made his bones playing football his name was DeMorne Piercell he was just a pass and that physicality that he brought from football, transferred over to basketball. So as a point guard, he could lock down and defend a point card because he had the quickness and the balance

to get into short spaces in a quick burst and not lose his balance. And then most of the multiple sport athletes, like if you look at Strick and say, okay, well, first of all, Strick was drafted into baseball as a left-handed, you know, out-hielder. Right? And you could see him, but you could project at six to, you know,

know, 195, that he would have been a pretty good defensive back. Oh, definitely. Safety. Or a wide receiver. And they would talk about a tight end, but I'm thinking, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They talk about how good he was at Bellevue was. He was playing football. Right?

But the basketball stuff plays in, and then his football capability transferred to his physicality in basketball. Like Jay talks about him as a basketball player. You imagine Jay Foreman coming down on break and you have to make a business decision? Nope. Right? I've already made that business decision. She's not doing it.

Right. But it translated and translated. From him going from running back and defensive back to a stellar linebacker who could play inside or outside, that physicality on a basketball court, he'd be a wrecking crew. It'd be a wrecking ball. People wouldn't want to deal with it. Right. So when you watch athletes across the board, you go, wow, there are things that you identify.

And they were talking about basketball and whether, you know, what sport gives you the best athletes outside of that sport? So does football produce the best athletes outside of that sport? Does basketball, which you would think for the length and running and extending just by the definition of athleticism, that basketball may create the greatest athletes outside of that sport onto other sports? some would say baseball because quarterbacks tend to be shortstop third basemen pitchers right quarterbacks can pitch the hand-eye coordination to play baseball and do all of that you would think would be able to translate to just about every other show if you're a catcher if if i watch a catcher in baseball i think middle linebacker in football same same body types uh same

physicality same persistence right they are explosive catchers don't have to get long in their athleticism right they have to be strong in their athleticism and there's a difference. Right? Wrestling. Absolutely, Chase. Well, I don't know. Wrestlers.

No, no. Chase, no, he said a thing. Now, so Chase B says this, wrestling creates the best athletes outside of wrestling. No, they may create the best football players, but wrestlers and basketball players, wrestlers and baseball players don't always match. Have you ever seen a wrestler try to play basketball? It's awkward. Like, that was another thing I was going to get to is,

Some of the best athletes you can think of. They can defend. Some of the best athletes you can think of, you put them in a sport where they know nothing about or just really a lot of other sports. The best athlete you can think of would look super unathletic doing certain things. Yeah. So the problem for wrestling and basketball is that generally at the high school level, they're at the same season. So that, like, Barry Thompson was a really good basketball player. He was an all-state wrestler.

he makes the choice. If I'm in the same weight class as Barry Thompson, I'm going to go play basketball. It makes sense. I'm going to go over here. We had some basketball players who were great wrestlers in high school, but they made that decision.

Like they made that decision to do that. Wrestlers make great linemen, offensive linemen, defensive linemen, right, hands-on, hand placement, leverage, leverage, explosiveness. Most of the wrestlers, that I coached who played baseball were at the corner of the diamond.

They were first baseman catchers, third baseman. Like, I wasn't putting them in the middle of space. That wasn't what they were good at. Short area of quickness. Right. Dusty says this, what up, fellas, what up, Dusty? Doesn't it seem like a lot of NFL players, kids seem to go into basketball if they don't follow their dad in football?

A lot of NFL players know what football does to their bodies or experiencing what football does to their bodies. And you've heard a lot of them say, if I have a son or when I have a son or if they have a son already, my son will not be playing football because I know what it's done to me and I don't want him to experience that. But then other dads are like, look, if you want to play, go ahead. But I'm going to educate you on all of this.

But the game has changed. It has. Since the dad plays. So Jay and his dad have had different conversations because the game was played differently. By the time Jay got to play the game, the game was being played differently with more benefit. Like the game was more protective of its players

during Jay's era than it was Chuck's. Right? I mean, and it's more protected now. Well, the technology is better, the equipment's better, but the athletes are bigger, stronger, faster. So the collisions are violent. Now, they've set rules to reduce some of the violence, the escapable violence. Yeah, there's only so much violence you can take that.

Right, right. And you have somebody who's 6-5, 300 pounds and can run up 4, 640. Well, you changed it so that 6'5, 300-pound Bubba Baker can't just pick up a quarterback and dump him on his head. Like, you've changed that. That is an escapable violence that you don't need to be a part of the game. But he can still break him in half. Well, you know, but you can hit him, but here's, again, within space. You can no longer hit him at the knee from the blind side.

You can't do those things. So they're more predictive of the product and the assets. And more respectful of another's career because this is how you make your living. So you don't want to take that away from anybody that's doing what you do or you really shouldn't. Like if you don't, if you don't say nobody is, I don't think anybody's trying to end anyone's career. Sometimes it happens. Well, there was a time. Look, again, that is a change in the game because years past, that was the thing.

I mean, they had hit. They had, they had hit. They took hits out on players. Like you had coaches that put bounties on players. The Eagles were renowned for it. I mean, the Saints got busted for it not terribly long ago. Right. I mean, it was actually a thing.

We're trying to end Brett Farr. Yeah. I mean, this is the thing. So athleticism in itself has evolved. High school athletes have better training now than they did when you were in high school, which was better than when I was in high school. Like that's just the way it works. Like you, nutrition was set, at least you're aware of what's required.

Today's college athlete, high school athlete is more aware of what they put in their body and the effect that had because the science is more known. but the technology is better, better equipment. Look, the pads that were in place? Oh, my goodness gracious. Like, you can put on today's pads, and it feels entirely different. As a matter of fact,

we went from wanting more pads to players today wanting less pads. People don't even put their knee pads in. Thipads are thigh pads. The refs have to check to make sure people are wearing thigh pads. Well, the game is, I mean, again, it's changed. You look at pictures like Jay Foreman. You look at Jay's pictures from his freshman year

or his senior year in high school, his shoulder pads were huge. Massive. I'll show you a picture on the break of my high school, my senior year picture. My shoulder pads, I had the same shoulder pads as Brian Bladows, who was 280 pounds and played in the NFL.

We used the same shoulder pads because they didn't know any better. The only person on the team that had, actually even then, Barry didn't even have, he was a quarterback and he didn't have small shoulder pads. Offensive lineman used to wear the full, arm pads that went that locked through the fingers and ran all the way up to your fore arm to your to your to your to your bicep like if the whole you know the double neck rolls yep right cowboy color right so and now they've modified that they've the plastics and the tech not the titanium is

better it's lighter so you can move we don't feel less as restricted um so athleticism has changed because again they the athletes are bigger stronger faster But within that space, we're trying to figure out what the best athlete, where the best athlete comes from. Yeah, Jerry, you're right. Vontas Burdick, that was a real thing. Yeah, he, yeah. Dustin says this when I was in high school, my defense coach was the head wrestling coach.

He begged me every year to wrestle every year. I wish I listened to him. Yeah, so again, most of the wrestlers made for, and Barry was rare in having a, an all-state caliber wrestler who was also a quarterback, but he was a running quarterback who could throw, which was a little different.

I can't think of a lot of quarterbacks who wrestled at a high basketball. That's what they did. Or baseball. Yeah. Or baseball. We had a ton, most of our quarterbacks

in high school, no matter whether I was in Texas, Utah, Virginia, whatever, most of my quarterbacks played third base or shortstop and pitched and pitched. When I was in high school, our quarterback played basketball and was a pitcher and I believe the first basement. The first baseman tended to be either the monsters, so my offensive linemen or my wrestlers,

right? Because short space, that sort of movement, I tended to want power, so I would go with power at first base. It makes sense. And we had some dudes. So most of my dudes who were power were, you know, tackles, offensive tackles in football, who could just hit a baseball. That's a big first baseman. Yeah. Second baseman were guys.

Those were also usually receivers or cornerbacks. Corners made really good middle end field guys. but the short stops tended to beat guys with bigger arms, so my quarterbacks tended to go there. Third base was another power position. If you can find a guy who can rake and put some power behind the ball that was there, and those were my tight ends usually played third and first. But my tight ends also played power forward in football.

My centers were always tackles. Our center was our quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. If you got it like that. If you got it like that, right? So the athleticism is important, but I would ask this. The conversation was started yesterday.

Buddy asked me, okay, so greatest athlete of all time. Like who's the greatest athlete at all the time? And depending on who you're talking to, and mind you, I wouldn't even, someone on a text on it said hockey, I can think of three hockey players who were great athlete. I can't think of that many who could, who could, do the thing, so using the catholic as a

measuring stick, right? Or steeplechase. How many people could do it? Like how many, no. Gretzky, I can do steeplechase, but I can't run that one. Gretzky was rare. That's why his records are untouchable. Gretzky was rare. I remember they used to do the superstars competition

on ABC. So they would have athletes from all sports. And they would compete in like all those events. Those decathes. Those decathlons events. So you'd have sprinters, a quarter mile, I believe. They would do kind of an obstacle course. They would do all sorts of events.

And I just remember Gretzky running sprint, and he won. He laced some people up. And folks were surprised. I was like, yeah, because I just didn't expect it. There aren't many. There's some, but they're not many. Yeah. So is the decathlete the best evaluator of athleticism?

Because they're doing everything, right? They're doing every. You get five events in two days. So not only is it measuring your athleticism in a bunch of different, your body has to move in completely different ways in a lot of those events. So here the events. It's also measuring your tenacity, your toughness, your endurance. So it's ten events.

Five events. Rico, decathlet, man. I said five events in two days. Yeah. Five events each day for two days. That's what I meant. Yeah.

You know what I meant. Well, I was clarified. Because, yeah. I know what I meant. Yeah. 100 meter long jump, shot put, high jump, 400 meters, 110 hurdles, which is again. That is the evaluator of athleticism.

But discus throw, pole vault, javelin throw, 1,500 meters. I almost did the decathlon in college. Please don't. It was the pole vault and the shot put in discus that would have

torn me down. 1,500 meters would have got me. It's the last event and it's just your body is giving up on you and it's just like, look. But that's why it's such push through it. It's the great evaluator because, one,

endurance at that level and then what's left in the tank after you've done all these other things. And it's like, hey, it's not a full model. And it's how you're going to, in a lot of cases, that's where the Bruce Jenner, Bob Matthias, Rayford Johnson, that's where they separated themselves. Because they were strong enough to still have some juice in the tank, some gas in the tank when they got to the 50, 100 meters. But the 100 meters, and again, you know, they've got the standards that each one sets. And you get points. depending on how well you do. You can get a thousand points.

So just for a measuring, in a hundred meters, 10, 4 gets you a thousand points. Yep. So you could, you know, if you can run. The harder events get you more points

for the better marks. Yeah. So like pole vault. You need to be a sub four, 1,500 meters. Yeah. To get a thousand points. Like,

if you're a good pull, if you're a really good polealter and you're so-so at all of those other events, you have a pretty good chance of winning because a lot of times the pole vault, the javelin, the high jump are the ones that get everybody. Yeah, you got to do six four. You get over six feet. You get over six feet.

You're a really good high jumper. You're an exceptional high jumper. Long jump, eight meters. You get your 1,000 points. Oh, boy. They're not hitting eight meters. No. They're not hitting eight meters.

Long jump. Because you always have that one person that is great at great at one of the, these events. Or two of them. So either they're good at the sprints, right? Because they're fast enough to not get beat up in the 400 meters. If you're usually fast, you can translate some of that to the long jump. Then the power events where you've got to be explosive, high jump, I mean, shot putt,

just to scroll, pole wall, I mean, and javelin throw. Now, pole vault, pole wall is where you would get me. Because you've got to get five and a half meters to get a thousand points in pole vault. I'm sorry, I'm not that dude. javelin throw you ever tried to pull vault yeah yeah yeah I couldn't bend the pole no I don't trust I got scared I never trusted the pole it was gonna happen they're like you just got to when you when you insert it you just got to like lean back and like all this stuff and keep your core and I was like I don't want to bend it goes against I was like I'm scared it goes against your because you're you're you're at the end of a pole that's bending as you're trying to push forward and you're leaning back to give resistance for the bend and you feel like okay this is unnatural and then you're you're you're you just like move your body in midair and you have to you have to make sure you when you get over you like toss the pull back and you got to like bend your back you got to get out of the way you got to do all the weird stuff and i'm like i can't that's too much the body control from pole

walters is amazing and then get this so shot put 18 and a half meters get you a thousand points now axelina just finished third in the country and she was at 1810 yep 181 181 181 18 And she is stronger than all of us. Everybody. All of us. So there's a lot, there's a lot to that. Pump passing kick competition. We can talk about that.

I am a decent punter. Yeah. The kicking. Who wins the punt passing kick between strict J and Versaunt. Stryck. Strick's probably the best No, but I'm going to say Jay Because it's more natural to him

Throwing is more natural to him Throwing is more natural to him Is it? You don't think strict I think look Whatever strict does athletically I am not surprised by I'm going to go with Strick on this

I know I'm sorry I'm sorry Vijay I'm sorry Jay But I mean obviously I'd beat all three of them But you know you would you would you would I'd beat him in the punting I don't I'd beat him in the punter I really don't think I'd beat him in the punt I really don't think I'm a good punter I I don't believe you I'm a good

punter I there's a football we'll go out we'll go out we'll go there's plenty of room out there I can't it'll go over the tree it'll land on on on on the store of Waverly yeah I can't do that what are you talking I'll kick it into the street 48th I'll cause an accident oh man I'd break the windows on target I can't punt here. What are you talking about? Yeah. Well, you know what?

Somebody just quit down to my man's VJ. I don't know. We can ask you. Like, we'll ask the three of them. We can. And I think the rest of the staff, I think you beat Nick in the punt past.

Oh, I'm beating. I'm not sure you beat Nathan. Because Nathan strikes. No, I'm beating Nathan. I don't know. I'm beating Nathan.

No. You beat Jake. Yeah. You beat Simple. Yeah. Look, it's you. strict that I'm worried about. You wouldn't beat me. You wouldn't beat me. You're a machine body. Yeah, you wouldn't beat me. Are you good? It's your back. Even with the parts, even, no, I got

a kick throw. You good? One time. One time. One time. One time. If you shake one of them. One time, I'm good. Well, so if you shake one of them, you're not getting a second. So real talk and my wife will vouch for that. So Washington, uh, they invited all the media and some fans to do a pump passing kick at Redskins Park. I won it. And that was including former reds former former former former former players before you were a machine true all facts this was 10 years ago nine years ago you nine years ago that was before you had 65 yeah guy I still I still have a certificate I was like and I'm and sadly I was way too proud of it like I don't you said there were former football players there yeah yeah no that was like there's no too proud out kicking

kickers and I mean out kicking player NFL players oh yeah oh I absolutely the kick is going to be interesting because everybody here has complained about kickers before. So just to see. I look, only Versaughan J and Strict could kick. Even if you play. Even then I don't, even then I don't think they're going to kick for very far. No, no. It's strike.

Nathan may be a soccer player low key. Nathan. I don't think he out punts. I don't think he outpunts them. But I think he could. Nathan has too much bravado and, and considers himself too much. Too much of an athlete to actually be good at any of this. Well, first of all, no, he's not.

He is not the athlete he thinks he is. He is certainly not that. He considers himself too great to be that good of an athlete. We'll ask the three guys what they could do, and maybe one day we'll go out and do that. So I do want to get into sprinters and jumpers versus decathletes. Who are the better athletes? Download our app by searching 93.7 the ticket in your app store.

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