1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - Barry Thompson (Fairfax Football Academy): June 30th, 10am

Episode Date: June 30, 2022

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It's time to go one-on-one with D.P. Coming at you live from the Cople Chevrolet GMC Studios. Here is your host, Derek Pearson. Brought you by Mary Ellen's Food for the Soul on 93-7 The Ticket and the Ticketfm.com. Hello, hello, hello, everybody. This is one-on-one without DP. J. Foreman and myself here. in the 93-7 The Ticket Studios, ready to talk to a very important man in one Barry Thompson.

But first, Order of Business, one-on-one is sponsored by Mary Ellen's. Some of the best food in the city. I can't even lie. I need to find my way back out there at some point, but Mary Ellen's sponsors one-on-one, and shout out to Charles and everybody else out there doing the darn thing. It's fantastic. but without further ado, let me hit this man's music. The autumn wind is a pirate, blustering in from sea,

with a rollicking song he sweeps along, swaggering boisterously. His face is weather-beaten. He wears a hooded sash, with a silver hat about his head, and a bristling black mustache. He growls as he storms the country, a villain big and bold. And the trees all shake and quiver and quake as he robs them of their gold.

The autumn win is a raider, pillaging just for fun. He'll knock you round and upside down and laugh when he's conquered and won. He got the extended version. Always got to leave it until that part. It's necessary. It's just necessary.

Got to have the drums. Got to get right into the strings. This Barry Thompson segment is sponsored by Ambition Electric also. Shout out to Ambition Electric for sponsoring Barry Thompson and this beautiful segment on 101DP. Barry Thompson, what's up? What's up, fellas? How you doing? We're doing good, Barry.

I always ask you, man. How does it feel to have the best entrance music in the... history of media sports. I know you go, normally you go right before me, but every week when I hear it, I know D.P. Smile, I'm small, especially when they get to where I think there's,

those big kettle drums at the end where they just kind of let it breathe. Yeah. And the little laugh, rhyming cup, let, you know, I know you're a Bill's guy with that, you know, he'll laugh and, you know, and he'll laugh when he's won. That little rhyming cup, but they always makes me smile on the other

end of the phone. So, yeah, I enjoy. it's really good. Life is good. Wanted to give a shout-out, too, by the way, to the anniversary boy and his bride. And then I know you guys have something,

but I was just listening right at the end about Michael Jordan and Charlotte. Yeah. And Jay, here's what occurred to me. It's a crude analogy. But famously, you know,

Kraus and Jordan were kind of at each other, more Jordan and the team at Kraut. Right. And now that Jordan's in the, position of trying to put together a team. I'm wondering how much he reluctantly, secretly,

kind of thinks about Krause or maybe some of the moves that he made or some of the stuff that he would thought. You know, it reminds me of, there's a Mark Twain quote that says, I'll man with somebody out there will get it. When I was 17, I couldn't believe how ignorant my father was. But by the time I was 21, I was astonished at how much he had learned in four years. and I think all of us go through that thing. If we have good parents, right,

and not drawn, you know, Krauthers and his dad, but, you know, when you're held accountable by somebody, there's at times when you kind of want to reject it. And then with the past, at the time, you go,

oh, that was pretty good. Right. Thank you, you saved my life. Yeah, you know, it's great, you know, like where you, you know, you have a sports background and you're able to look at things and sports kind of always draw into each other, right?

It's kind of just, it's always transferable. It's always, you know, portable where the same concepts, find that foundation points and things you need to do to be successful. In one sport you need the next. Obviously, you know, NBA free agency is starting here. You know, Rico's counting down the hours in the next seven hours for his next nicks, hopefully to make a move. Let's overspend.

You know, but the big trade, you know, between Atlanta Hawks and San Antonio Spurs, Murray, you know, to Atlanta, in your opinion, how does it, how do you view that as, do you think it's going to work with Trey Young and Murray? Because they're both ball-dominant players. Do you see Trey Young as a young player be willing to, you know, it wouldn't say be the second fiddle, but at times during the game, you know, play second to Murray for it to work? Yeah, so I'm not in as close as you guys are, but yeah, I really trust your judgment.

You talk about generalities and principles that hold true over time. What we do know is about a year ago, everybody was wondering, would the New Jersey thing work. Right. Remember? And I remember being there, and he asked me about it. And the one thing on the NBA season, it's unlike most, is you can tell right, well, most people really watch them. And they know from the beginning. Right.

But you can really watch, if you're hopeful about your team, you can really watch them in this first 2530 games. And once they're in that, that, it's kind of set. And at the time we were talking about in the Jersey with all the talents, right, they were kind of set. They had lost a kind of higher number of home games, which the ultimate teams don't really do.

Right? So there were a lot of signs there that for whatever reason, it wasn't what people thought it should be. So here's the thing. All kinds of things work, right? You know, like, you know, when Michael was playing, it was said that the leading score could never win the championship, right, considered they'd take too many shots, right?

Remember that was a thought. Right. So, but what has to work, what has to, I mean, you go back and say more, is who said that Steph Curry would work, right? But he worked. You're right. You talk about ball dominant, not ball dominant, you know, look at what hardened kind of changed his role, right?

It just depends on what they're trying to do with the combination. players. And what you were hinting at is a person, are people willing to accept their roles? Now, part I think of accepting roles is whoever's managing that group has to sell the value of those roles to the teams. That is, you can't just plug people in and expect them to kind of figure it out. There has to be some leadership there. Here's what I want you to do.

Here's what the team needs you to do. Here's why we want to do it. And here's why it's important to you. Right? Yeah. Now, that doesn't mean to hold his hand. I can get it done, but that communication has to be clear. Has to be clear.

And it should be when you're bringing a guy in. Right. Right? Yeah. I mean. We spend money. Yeah. Or draft capital when you're giving up three first round picks.

Hell, man. Ain't nobody go to. There's very few. Only rich, rich, rich, rich people go to restaurants and say, hey, just surprise. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and don't ask how much the surprise is going to cost.

No, we want to read the yell for you, talk to three friends, and then on top of that, we've got to have a taste for it. Maybe I don't want it that day, you know what I mean? And then there's a line. I'm not going to wait. So, yeah, so much before those players get there, is important about why this person's being brought in. What are we going to ask them to do?

Will he be able to do it? Will he be willing to do it? and then how's it going to affect the overall structure. And just from hearing you got, Jay, I trust your judgment. It sounded like it wasn't too well thought through. Right, yeah, we'll see. But you know what, though, it was a great point. Before we get the break, I'm going to ask you real quick,

and we'll come back after break. But all these, I always say it's, you know, it's transferable, right? So we talk about if you're building a football team and giving up draft capital versus, say, like, NIL money, you know, how important is it, like, is say like if you were running a team or when you even, you know, talk to players that you might be able, you're going to start training is explaining what you expect from them as far as role, accountability, improvement, and plan play into that.

And then how the second question is how do you think that either hurts or helps their success, both in short and long term? I can answer and we talk about more if you want. When I get a quarterback, it's the very first thing that I do. when I get with a group of players you're running a camp it's the very first thing that I do I've learned over time the hard way

that if I don't do it and then I start to get an anger or little frustrated I've learned to you know I'll stop players and say wait a second I'm a bad coach I just did something with that

and I'll pull them in and I'll start then but yeah like just on an individual basis I'll I set it up somebody will come to me and I'll say well let's just schedule one-on-one and I mean it They think I'm joking.

I said, let's make sure we like each other. Right? So we'll go through. After the session's over, I look to play right now. I said, now,

coming to me doesn't do anything. Your job is to get better by the next time I see you. Right. And if I find out that you're not doing better, then I'm going to take you and your parent when I have a talk

and maybe it's time to go do something else. I don't mean a mean way. Right. But it's like I don't want to, I don't, they're going to pay me, but I don't want to waste their time. Right? It's a different

perspective. Like, you're only coming to me to get better. So you've got to do this. That's expectation. Right. And it's laid out right from the start. And I think it's important to lay that from the start. And then the second thing is you've got to be remarkably consistent. Your words have to have

integrity. Integrity. So those two things that's a cornerstone, I think, of whatever you're going to do. Right? You tell them, this is how it's going to be. And then it has to be. that way, right? Sounds really simple.

It takes a ton of energy for those two things to happen. A ton. If anybody's raised kids. My dad was an educator, and he went to this big thing down to Houston. We'll get to the break here. And they were all waiting for the keynote speaker. And so they were all in the, you know, pens, and everybody's jazzed up to hear this person, you know,

the Oracle speak. And he says, and I'll record it goes, number of you, top three things for handling kids, developing people. Consistency, consistency, consistency. That was it. You think about that. If you try to raise a kid and try to force rules,

it can be tiring. They will try you left to have. If you make some rule, you've got to go to the end to make sure it's consistent, right? Hold out and do whatever. It's a tough thing to do. It sounds easy, but it's tough to be consistent. It's tough to have integrity all the time

and go back in the words. And that's why you hear a lot of good, coaches say, I don't have many rules. Right. Because you have a lot of rules. They're tough to enforce all the time. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's good.

Let's sell some true. Right, yeah. That's some good knowledge there that could, you know, there's a lot of coaches that have made or made themselves or broke themselves by having either too many rules or not enough or being able to hold themselves or the team accountable. So it's interesting to see how things are portable when people are, you know, You talk about Bill Belichick and all that, I'm sure. And even Tom Coughlin, I had, you know, I played for the Giants and you hear about all the different stuff.

But when you really break it down to it, all you don't want you to do is work hard and do your job. And if you're on time, which is early. Yep. And you go out there and perform, you don't have a problem with them because, you know, I think guys that usually had a problem with Coughlin or guys that weren't doing the simple things to be the best that they could be, which obviously was affecting the team. and how well they could be short and long term. So, you know, sometimes I think people get, you know, fixated on rules and, say, like, in Nick Saban's case, you know, he'll lose his cool on you.

But at the end of the day, it's all for a better purpose for you versus it for them. And that's the distinct difference between leadership styles and being successful or not. Yeah, just to button it up, the guys that have few rules, people, understand that what they, in my experience, what they do is they pick something that's really important that has a lot of leverage points. So it's the same thing being applied over and over and over and over again. You know what I mean? It's not 50 different rules.

It's the same rule. And that rule has such a leveraging effect. It's a small thing that affects many things. Like if you tell players one rule is be on time. Okay, you just think about what being on time all the time means. It means that it's a high priority, right? You've got to push it up your priority. It affects the way that you manage your time.

You understand what I mean? Right. And if you're on time, you know, that means that a coach has to be prepared, right? They can't be shuffling around if you're asking players. So that one concept of, hey, I need you to be on time, is a little small thing that affects everybody in the organization if it's acted on consistently. Right. because when a coach says it, then the coach has to be on time,

which means he has to be highly organized, right? And they're going in their meetings, right? So now the coach has to manage his time differently and his life differently. Because if the head coach is demanding to be on time, then you've got to be on time for everybody. Right now, you can say you'd be on time, excuse me. Right.

And then you get there on the coach isn't prepared, which means that maybe the head coach isn't enforcing with the staff, right? Now you've got problems and then an organization. The thing that's really crucial is what's called, I call alignment. That is, everybody has to be on time. Even the janitor has to be on time, right? And when you've got an organization that's aligned like that behind these simple rules, then you've got an organization that's in flux.

And what happens, just like you say, we'll call them. The guys that don't follow those rules, they get real uncomfortable real quick. and they either won out or they start exhibing behaviors outside and they're easy to identify. And the group becomes easy to identify them, right? They say, hey, second, every else on time, but now you're not on time. Coaching is on time, me's on time, you're on time,

and you're acting a fool, you've got the problem. Right, so that one little rule, right, has done a lot of things with the coaching staff, the people, and quickly identified all the people who don't have a problem with being on time, which is when you go with group dynamics, right, you think you have 15 players. Generally, you know, a third of those players,

you know, they're going to go left when you say right. Right. Right. A third are going to go left just because you said left. And the middle don't care. Well, you enforce this on-time thing. All of a sudden, you've got everybody over here being on time, and you've got two or three guys that are on time.

And then they want to act like somebody's tripping. And the whole group now is looking at him. You're tripping. Yeah. Get out of you. We don't want you around. So when you're speaking... Oh, sorry.

Go ahead. No, please, please. Okay, so when you're speaking on group dynamics, have you heard about what's going on in Minnesota with PJ Fleck? No, well, I've heard a lot. I'm around Coach, sir. But tell me a little bit about PJ. So right now there's their...

It started with a former player speaking out against PJ calling him, you know, a used car salesman and saying that his worst decision ever was going to Minnesota. and then you've had anonymous players stepping in and saying this is kind of the same thing. So, you know, you're speaking on group dynamics. And we were talking earlier about how, you know, just being the coach that he is, very outspoken, very loud, very, you know, just kind of out there, he's going to have some players that he might rub the wrong way. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's a bad coach, at least in our opinion. So we're just, I was just wondering what, what you would take from that.

well you you have you have to judge your result right you have to judge your result so is it is it a flag going up saying there's something wrong here or is it just one of those players that we were talking about don't know yet i know p.J popped on the screen a few years ago i have some coaching buddies that you know really

you know into that and and they were really uh focused on culture and they were really you know he was selling what he was doing in minnesota it has that has an effect but you want to know, is he Bill Belichick in a sense, or is he Jerry Glantville? Right? If you go, remember Jerry Glanville, he had people rally around too, but then at a certain point, you find out he traded by Brett Favre and, you know, he does all this other stuff too, right? So what kind of culture is being there?

I think in general, when it comes to these things, if you look at organizations that win, the coaching for a large part that has an air of secrecy around it, Not that they're paranoid, but they're secrecy. They just don't, they don't brag a lot about it. You know, they just go, nobody, Belichick really took the job. He didn't talk about the Belichick way, right? They just went to work a certain way,

and they started giving results. And still nobody really talks about it. They have these assistants that go on. Traditionally, when you lose assistance, right, there's a drop off. He seems to be able to plug them back in, right? He's had assistants that leave, and they haven't had, he doesn't have a normal coaching trip.

right you go back to mike holmgren you look at his coach and truer don schuler right and they and the homebrin spat out Andy reedy spat out Maryucci spat out like seven head coaches you know what is belichick spat out yeah and the most you ever hear about it's called the patriot way so what is that they choke and they get to work and they know their assignments and they play you know what I mean right yeah right I mean what is that yeah simplicity it seems like yeah yeah I mean nobody Clemson's been good for a couple years, Ohio State's been good for a couple years. There's no Clemson way. There's no Ohio State way, right? There's no book on that. They just they get good players, they get after, they compete and work hard, and they went. So,

it can be kind of a thing when a coach pops up like that, right? But it could be, that's what you need to do to sell the program, and he got Minnesota to a different spot than it was where Lou Holtz couldn't get him, right? Oh, yeah, that's for sure. If you guys ever heard the Lou Holt story real quick. Oh, I'm going old, but it's funny story. I haven't. Just to give you listen, Minnesota wasn't always Minnesota, right? So Lou Holtz, one of his stops, he was there, and he pulls up to administration building,

and he tells the story that he parked in the handicapped spot. He was just going to go in and come back. He literally just went in and came out, and when he came out, somebody passed in by, said, head coach in Minnesota Grove was parking in the handicapped spot, trying to give him a hard time. And he says, honey, do you know anybody who's more? handicapped in the head coach than a minute ago

well PJ has at least changed that. Yeah. Right? So now can he have a sustainable model? That is the question of the day. That's what's going on and we kind of said, you know, you start winning, you start the season

good, this probably, you know, disappears into the ether until you start struggling again. But we're going to hit a break and we'll come right back with you, Barry. You guys are listening to one-on-one on 93-7. The Download our app by searching 93.7 the ticket in your app store. You're listening to one-on-one with DP on 937 the ticket and the ticketfm.com.