1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - Biggest stretch of 2026 Nebraska Football season is? May 7th, 2026, 12:45pm

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

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Back to one-on-one with D.P. Sponsored by the Downtown Lincoln Foundation on 93-7 The Ticket. Yes, we're back here on one-on-one on 93-7, the ticket. Thanks for joining myself in Austin Orman in studio. Today, as D.P. is out covering the Big Ten softball tournament. Once again, Nebraska's game slated for 1230. Probably going to start a little bit late as the game before it is dragging on a little bit. But that is okay.

That's fine. Nebraska will get their game in today against Michigan. And we will get our talk in here as we've got plenty to talk about, especially Nebraska football. It's been, I don't know if anything's happened over the last week or two, but there's been a lot of opinions about, well, things not happening or happening on the football field. And so it feels like the Nebraska football discussion is kind of picking up here as we get into May.

maybe it's just, you know, maybe it usually just kind of keeps going. And so, you know, from season to season, so maybe this is a little bit of a different way to do it. But it's a, it's been interesting to say the least over the last couple weeks in general talk around Nebraska football. And I got to tell you more and more I'm seeing folks notice that Matt rule contract in the buyout. That was mentioned in a USA Today article again today that I saw. So it is, it's not always for the right reasons, but hopefully Nebraska can get that turned around this year once we hit the, the football field.

Before we get to that real quickly, we do have a quick question for you. Ginger Beardman says, the Roy is maybe hot, but are they as hot as the Cubs, awesome. The Cubs are playing some dang good baseball right now. Yeah. Cubs are also living on the knife set,

having to come from behind all the time. Cubs record is certainly better than the Royals. They play in a better division than the Royals. But they will never make the fire in my heart burn as bright as the Kansas City Royals do. So even if the record is better, even if their win streak is longer, even if they're winning in zanier ways, they might be, you know,

more hot in baseball sense, but they'll never make my fire burn that hot. I was looking for some way to get that out there. Bill and Bennett says, as far as this goes, just beat Iowa. Of course, that is a sentiment a lot of people have,

but I'm fearful. That might not be enough, but they don't win the other games. Gorilla Bear says Rutgers, Ohio State, Iowa. That is his big three. Their rule needs to finish the season strong, win some games in November.

And lastly, as he looks as well, beat Iowa. Certainly, I wouldn't have any problem with anybody saying that the November portion of the schedule is going to be key to them because that's just been a struggle for Nebraska. Specifically, when we talk about off-season and Kirk Farrants, lording over Nebraska,

is that that's been part of it. Every off-season, you go just, You go into it, just a, I would say just a little bit disappointed, but the frustration is boiling up now year after year, losing to Iowa. You're not ending on a good note. Now, of course, they've made a bowl game each the last couple years, two years ago that helped by beating Boston College this past year. It didn't really help. But, yeah, November has been a big struggle for Nebraska. So that is certainly fair.

The three game stretch that I ultimately landed on. And it wasn't, I didn't even, and again, I like that November. thought. But I almost came with these other thoughts. These other two, three game stretches that I think are going to be more pivotal for Nebraska, in part just because I think that Ohio State game is among their toughest, right? I don't know if Nebraska is going to win that one. So, you know, I think, I think that's not that they can't, right? We don't want to write anybody off or I don't want to get into the, that on Matt Rose

bad side that way. They can win that. But again, if I'm just looking at it as far as Nebraska, reaching goals that, you know, first of all, bowl game, 8, 8, 9 wins. That sort of idea, I don't know if Ohio State is a major one in me as far as a swing game, right? And so I think when I look at three game stretches, I think more of games that could potentially be swing games. And that's where I start with Halloween. October 31st could be a blackout against Washington. I think particularly because of the games you're coming off of, which would be Indiana and at Oregon, similar situation as Ohio State certainly could win those games,

but in all likelihood, not going to be favored, right? And so therefore, you know, might be coming off, coming off those games in need of a win. And so that's why, Long said, I felt like Washington was the swing game for the season. And part of it, you have to kind of figure out where Washington is, right? Nine win team last year certainly had some drama this season, this year, with their quarterback room. but he's still there.

I don't know if DeMond Williams wants to play with Washington, but he's going to be forced to. And then the next two games, I would say, would make up the rest of my three-gream stretch. At Illinois, a matchup with Brett B. Lamont on the road. This also in November, by the way, so this is kind of creeping into the November calendar and that portion of the concern from Nebraska fans.

But I just think that if you're talking about a swing game, what is the bigger swing? I don't mean this in a negative way, but it might just be the way that it pops up. When we're talking about that type of season, and Illinois has got a favorable schedule. I think that's something to note here too. But I think that you're,

the winner of that game might be six and three and the loser that game might be five and four. You know, somewhere in that type of idea where it's going to be a battle, a wrestling match in Illinois, in November between Brett B. Lima and Matt Ruhle, to see who kind of is having a better season at that point. And certainly, so I think that is a huge game,

maybe on par with Washington to be the swing game. And then I throw Rutgers in there. And that's one where, you know, it is on the road in Piscataway. Their defense has been terrible. They've, which you don't usually see from Greg Shiano led team. They've changed defensive coordinators.

Maybe they can get that fixed. But I think that one's interesting too because that is considered to be a win in this season for a lot of Nebraska fans. and Nebraska hasn't had too much trouble with Rutgers to this point. But again, similar to kind of Washington. They've won. There have been some interesting games. Yeah, yeah.

Fortunately. Yeah. Too close than they need to be at times. But similar to kind of the idea with Washington where you're coming off two games, that's the other day with Rutgers is you better finish that one and win that one because then you have Ohio State and Iowa potentially with whatever your goal is at that point, two kind of difficult barriers to get over. So my three game stretch I'm going with as far as the most important.

for Nebraska this year. It's not where I want to be, right? Nebraska football program, I'd love to say the top teams, you know, Indiana, Oregon, all that sort of stuff. But I think for Nebraska to accomplish their goals, they're going to have to do well in this three-game stretch with Washington at home at Illinois and at Rutgers. Yeah, I think that is the most likely stretch

in terms of determining Nebraska's bowl eligibility. I think there's a lot of good stuff that you just said there. And I tend to agree because you think about the challenge, right before Washington, like you said, probably the blackout game, if we're going to get one of those again this year, against probably a fringy top 25 team in Washington, who right before Nebraska also has a biweeks. So these two teams match up there. They're by week. So won't have to go on the road in back-to-back weeks.

They're playing in West Lafayette on the 17th. They're by week then at Nebraska. They will have played Iowa, have gone to USC, and hosted Minnesota in conference play with games against Washington State, Utah State, and eastern Washington as well. Fringy top 25 team, probable top 25 team, if they're sitting at that Nebraska game and let's say that they've only dropped

to USC, where they're sitting there at 6 and 1, I believe that would be. There's a really good chance for you, Nebraska, to send a statement, especially Bach coming off of what we think could get ugly on the road in Eugene and Indiana's Indiana until proven otherwise. Then Illinois,

I give Illinois the lien in that game just because we know who they are. We know what they're about. We're not sure what we have to go off with Nebraska, right? That USA Today article that came out now comes the hope part. We hope that Nebraska is able to withstand. We hope that there's something new about Nebraska, but we haven't seen it yet.

We feel more confident in projecting Illinois because we've seen them before. We know what they're about. We just don't with Nebraska. And then regardless of how those two games go, it's Rutgers. You don't lose to Rutgers. On the road, this or that, trap game with Ohio State coming to town, next week, yada yada, you win that game.

No matter what, no excuses, no questions ask. Two other options I will present to you because I agree with you that that Washington, Illinois Rutgers game feels to me like it's where Nebraska gets bowl eligible, more likely than not. If the season is going to go better than most people think, the three-game stretch is either Maryland, Indiana, Oregon, or Indiana, Oregon, Washington. Not a three-week stretch there, that last one, but a three-game stretch. If things are different for Nebraska, if this is a program that's going to legitimately threaten top teams in the conference,

beat him, maybe, avoid going back to the best three-nine team of all-time stuff. But to show signs of progress that, hey, here's a team that's probably more talented than you on paper, but you took advantage of your environment in your home stadium and you played well, or you were the road warriors, you gave Oregon a fight like Wisconsin did last year. you might start to be able to move the needle in some of those conversations if you beat Maryland really with whatever it looks like but that's another talented quarterback there in Washington last name Washington not school Washington obviously

that you welcome home and again another program that you've handled had your battles with them from time to time but can you start Maryland's late season swoon you know they're really good in September you get him to start August can you kick off their annual Big Ten swoon? Or are you the team that helps them start changing that narrative? Oh, look, we went on the road and got to win. You can't overlook Maryland because guess what?

Indiana comes to town. Yeah, it's Indiana. But it's Indiana. Until someone knocks them down, they're still Indiana. They're going to come in with the same Signetti swagger that we've gotten accustomed to over the last two years. They're going to come in, well coach, disciplined, probably playing some good football. it would be quite the statement.

If Nebraska could welcome Indiana to Memorial Stadium, beat them again, we'll see. But at the very least, play good football and prove that you have it in you. And if you happen to beat them, that's huge. Because then you don't have to look ahead to the next week. Oh, we just got boat raced by Indiana. They beat us 56 to 7 at their place last time. And they did it again to us at our place, you know, a couple of years later.

And oh, boy, now we have to go out to Oregon. There's going to be all these outside storylines. It's a tough place to play. and Dante Moores, you know, top everyone's Heisman leader board, and that's a defense that's really hitting. It's a dangerous stretch. But if something's going to change about Nebraska football, I think that's really the first send a message stretch.

And then who was it? It was Gorilla Bear on the text line with that Rutgers, Ohio State, Iowa stretch. That's the change of the narrative stretch, almost regardless of how the season is gone beforehand. If you split Ohio State and Iowa, I think there's some level of satisfaction from the fan base. Oh, yeah. I think you're obviously not guaranteed to win in November

with rule being two and ten in the month in his three years at Nebraska. You like your chances at Rutgers. You got as good a chance you can ask for going on the road to Illinois. You know, it's not out of your hands. It's not out of your control, play good football, and you're in that game with a chance to win it. If you scare Indiana and maybe you,

you beat Washington when they're fringy top 25. Yeah, it's still Ohio State. But you feel like, okay, we've been in this before. It's not culture shock. Okay, we've been here. We've been tested. We've played teams at this caliber close. We're ready for our shot.

Come on, Ohio State. We're going to give you our best. Do they shock the world? Probably not. But what if they beat Ohio State and lose at Iowa? Is that better or worse? If they lose to Ohio State and they beat Iowa, What's the conversation around the fan base there?

Regardless of how it goes, I think you got to find a way to go. You got to get to two in November. Starting with two wins and ending with two losses wouldn't feel great. Starting November with a loss, but ending November with a win, you can probably convince yourself, okay, that's fine.

And without veering too far into the conversation of, well, how does it look? Does it feel better? Does it look like Nebraska's playing better football, even though they lose? Because it is a pivotal year four in a lot of ways for Matt Ruhle because wins and losses do ultimately matter, because they have to matter, because what's the point of playing if they don't matter? I think that Matt Ruhle and his staff

can generate a bunch of goodwill heading into the 2027 season. If there's a two and two November, and even if it includes a loss to Ohio State, you were game. You know, you learn some lessons from the Indiana, the Oregon and potentially the Washington games. You translated them. You were just outgun at the end. Ohio State. made a couple more plays than you did. And, you know, close losses against Iowa are never going to sit well, never going to sit right. Husker fans are tired of it.

See if you can't sneak one out against Iowa. I think if I offered Husker fans a three and one November, I think they would have a fun time trying to decide what they would want the three wins to be. So I'll ask you, Starder, Hamon, Jewelish, Text Line, 40246, 456, 85, if Matt Ruhle had his best November at Nebraska, won more games this coming November in one month, and he'd won in any November previously at Nebraska combined.

Would you sign up for it right now? Which three games would you want to win? Rutgers, to me, feels like a don't lose or a can't lose. Would you trade a win over Ohio State for a loss against Iowa? Would you take your weapon at Ohio State's hands at home? Your one home game in November, if it means you turn around, you beat Iowa on Black Friday. How important or not important is the Illinois game to you?

Ohio State, I just think, have some outsized importance to Bach, because it's going to be the last home game in that stadium before the renovations. Yeah. You know, that's not everything, but it's not nothing. Go put on a show, you know, whether it matters or not in terms of the overall final record and how we view the season, TBD. But I do think there are some real narrative implications at stake pretty much all November long. Well, and I think it's interesting, too, when you get to November.

Like last year, obviously things went awry, but Nebraska was out without their starting quarterback. That can't be an excuse this year, right? I mean, almost as, unless Calander is, like, is going wild and, and maybe like all big 10 level and then gets hurt or reverse. I don't know, whatever. Leithee does, whatever. I think Calendor has got the starting job, whatever.

But you can't go back into it and have another November, well, we're not at full strength, you know, they're written in excuses. That can't happen. And then, of course, it, you know, like you said, it's just the matchup with Iowa. just need to get one. I don't care what the circumstances coming in there. That's why we have Texas. Just say just beat Iowa because they're so frustrated going to the

offseason losing that one. But it's interesting. If I could take one loss and go three and one in November, it would be a bit nerve-wracking, but I'd take the first one. Like, you know, the Illinois game, Brett Bilema is five and two against Nebraska. So it would be another one of those guys, the BJ Flex, the Kirk Perkins of the world that you can kind of just keep adding to the list. which can be frustrating of their having their way with Nebraska. But I always say with this, like you said, Rutgers is almost just can't lose. If you're going to have a successful season,

anything you do, I mean, it just wouldn't be an ugly loss. They could get better. Who knows? I don't really know. But just anyway, you want to win that one.

But I always say with Ohio State is that that's the type of game. If Nebraska beats Iowa this year, it's a big story locally, even turns some heads, the Big Ten. But if you beat Ohio State, Oregon, or Indiana, that put your program back on the map. And so there's no way I would put Ohio State to the side in, if I got my way, right, to choose. Those games, I've been waiting for a game like that. Well, I suppose in a better situation, we kind of got it with Michigan State, Mike Riley's team beating his first year here.

But Nebraska was improved to four and six. So again, part of part of that. I want Nebraska to somewhat be in the conversation when they do this. But again, those are those things. the type of games that, yes, they're scary on paper, but they can, they can change your program. Oh, at least the season. Yeah. You know, I'm hesitant to say anything is program changing right now until we see it extrapolated, kind of like Nebraska basketball in some ways. But it can certainly change the tenor of the season, what people think you're capable of

and shock the national attention. Let's, okay, another hypothetical. Nebraska needs to beat Iowa to get, what would mean more? Nebraska beats Ohio State to reach either eight or nine wins or Nebraska beats Iowa to reach six to seven wins. Well, I think Ohio State. But you're already got a good bowl locked up. Yeah. Whether or not you beat Ohio State.

Right. If you need to beat Iowa for bowl eligibility, does that still move the needle for people? Or would they be like, well, yeah, we always want to beat Iowa. But another five and seven season can tell us that it's not going the right direction. It looked the same way. and maybe it's time for tough choices to be made. I don't know. I mean, I don't think you would get,

if you beat Iowa to get to a bowl game, I think that helps. But I think you have a lot of the same conversations at least. And there's a portion of the fan base that helps. There's a portion of the fan base that doesn't help, right? I think if you beat Ohio State and you get to eight wins, that shows, that's what we want, right? That's what you're looking for is proof,

not only that you are moving the wind total forward, but also can go out there and compete with the best that the Big Ten has, the offer and in fact surpass them at times. And maybe it's not, you know, might not be the better team, but you were on that Saturday. I think without a doubt that's it. Again, I'm interested because there is such a focal, there's such a focus on on Iowa now from again, it's just crazy to see where this was when Nebraska joined. When Nebraska fans looking down at Iowa, that's not a rival, all this sort of stuff.

And now they've been so dominant that that's kind of the sole focus for a lot of people has man, I just want to go to the off season. I don't think that can be understated. I go back to what we talked about with Kirk Farrants being a major barrier for Nebraska football over the last several years is that that offseason hump or that that last hump that you can't get over every year, same story, had the off season on a loss. Like there is, there is a reason why that question is, it's tempting to go with Iowa. But I'm just, again, I'm waiting.

I don't know if Iowa will be ranked. I don't know if they necessarily need to be. But I have a lot of higher confidence in beating Ohio State. And again, or not beating Ohio State, but what that would do for the program, that's the bigger jump to me than beating Iowa. So maybe you can make more than one just kind of one small jump, one step forward, right, as opposed to several by beating Ohio State.

Nebraska has not proven to me that it's a cut-the-line program in really any sport. at this point. What's the last Nebraska sport we saw go from zero to a hundred? I can't think of one off the top of my head. Maybe throw out that one year soccer had, but it hasn't sustained that necessarily. Not to say it can't happen, right? Because I looked at Bloomington. What did Indiana do? They were crap. Then they went to the college football play of in year one under Kurt Zignetti, and then won the whole dang thing in year number two. Does it feel like Nebraska's ready, willing, and able to do that?

Not necessarily to me. If you guarantee me, which I know you have no way to do, but if there's some genie in a bottle that could guarantee me, I will give you a win over Ohio State, and this will kickstart the program, that I could wish for a win over Ohio State and that would parlay into more success, you know, for four years to come. Yes, you take it in a heartbeat because it is the bigger national deal. And it's about time for Nebraska to be more relevant, a bigger player, swing a bigger stick on a national stage. But I have zero signs pointing to that Nebraska is ready for that.

It would feel to me, Bach, if Nebraska would be to Ohio State, like the upset that Nebraska hasn't pulled probably since Michigan State, in terms of the big, no doubt, oh, didn't see this one coming sort of deal. Nebraska has had opportunities that upset, most notably against Ohio State. a few times the Nebraska's played him close, both in Lincoln, but especially on the road in Columbus, and never pulled it off. You know,

you think about the bad pit teams that would knock off Clemson or whatever, you know, all sorts of other programs pull massive upsets like that, and they don't necessarily change the fortunes. Oh, this is what we built toward. Oh, look, we paid it off.

Maybe Purdue was the last one. They can point to, hey, look at this win over Ohio State, and then it catapulted them. But even that, faded pretty quickly for Purdue. After that, that couple of year run,

after Jeff Brom left. And so I think as fun as exciting, is invigorating as a win over Ohio State would be, it comes to an unfortunate time on the schedule where you have to look forward to, you know, get your teeth pulled the next week on the road at Iowa. You know the history of that series is going to come up. How long would you really be able to enjoy that win?

And if Nebraska is not going to take that win over Ohio State and catapult into sustained national relevance, yeah, it'd be really fun to win in the moment. But I'd rather be Big Ten relevant first. Not that there's a big difference between Big Ten relevant and nationally relevant. But Nebraska doesn't even feel like a slam dunk, surefire. 2014 college football playoff participant, let alone the 12-team deal that we're in right now. I still think it would be better to, you know, prove you can beat Iowa over a couple years.

And, you know, if you knock off in Indiana and Oregon on the road, you know, borderline Washington, but Ohio State, you absolutely take it when it comes. But I think Nebraska is going to have to be Big Ten relevant first in terms of can you get that team four to six discussion before you're in, you know, team one through eight discussion nationally. And I think that's fair considering where they are this off season, right? And where they have been, right? And so, you know, thinking of from that vantage point.

But, you know, you hope that with Nebraska, does pull it off again, it's not a, again, you take it or whatever you get it. but you don't you don't want it to be you know to improve to four and six like this is the upset of all upsets um there's no you know and so the embarrassment is more it's a big three to cut the deficit to 40 sort of thing yeah right um so the embarrassment would be more in ohio state than it would be the story that Nebraska won right um but and it doesn't have to be Ohio's dad I'm glad you mentioned that I mean Indiana certainly um feels like an opportunity Oregon even though it's on the road could be one of those opportunities.

But so I think part of it, too, is the story that you have going into that. If you, Indiana, for example, if you handle Michigan State and Maryland well enough and then go and upset Indiana, then you feel like you've maybe at least already done a little bit of your own bottom, middle of the Big Ten pushing down.

Now, you beat those teams. So again, nothing sets up perfectly for whatever if you're trying to find. But I mean, as far as, if we go back to three game stretches, I think that's as big as any as well. is at Michigan State, Maryland, and Indiana. And the Indiana game is interesting because, one, it's at home. Two, Indiana should be undefeated.

They play North Texas Howard, Western Kentucky, Northwestern, at Rutgers, and then Nebraska. So Nebraska might be their first biggest test. They've kind of got to prove their whole lot better Northwestern. You know, that'd be the same type of deal. Well, yeah, I mean, Nebraska has to prove that it's a test for Indiana. Whether or not Nebraska wins that game. And again, without getting too far into the moral victories, best three and nine team stuff, wouldn't it feel like a step in the right direction if Nebraska was the first team to really push Indiana?

And I know they were on the brinket at Penn State last year at times, and the Ohio State Big Ten championship was a nail biter. But that was Indiana pre-national championship. Indiana post-national championship, I think it could say something about Nebraska if they're the first team that pushes Indiana fresh off the golden glow of the Natty. Yeah, yeah. I think that definitely could. And again, for Nebraska, it would be a lot bigger and a lot better if you beat Michigan State and Maryland.

And so, I mean, I just think that's going to be huge. Obviously, we go into this all thinking that you're going to win the non-con. But if you have undefeated Nebraska against undefeated Indiana there on October 10th, yes, Indiana is still going to be a heavy favorite. And yes, they might run away with that game. But you even get into, and we talk about being nationally relevant, all that sort of stuff, for that week you are. For that week, you'd be a big time, primetime type of game, and there would be a lot of talk about it.

Could you sustain that? Who knows? I mean, that's part of what does that look like against Indiana. If you push them, then you got more interest going into the Oregon game. If you don't, you might not have as much. But, of course, then you go back to the 2024 beat down in Indiana. You're turned. They did get a big noon window with Ohio State and kept that game close.

So that helps. I don't think we're feeling any great results from that by now. but, you know, those were two losses. I don't know how much you're supposed to feel good about that. But it's a, I mean, you look at that. And again, it's not even maybe beat Indiana, but competitive with Indiana. And then, of course, if you do, that changes the discussion.

But the big thing is Michigan State and Maryland first. What are your thoughts on a 5-0 start? Because I know that's a question. A lot of people want to jump to. You did beat Michigan State and Maryland this past season, but they were close games. I'm not riding it off as so easy as many others, mostly not necessarily even Maryland,

which is the home game, which that could be interesting, but Michigan State. I mean, Pat Fitzgerald's another guy who's had some success against Nebraska over the years, really like the coordinating staff that he's got together there with Joe Rossi, a longtime defense coordinator in the Big Ten. But the big one, LeVar Woods over there from Iowa, special teams can swing a game like that.

Don't forget, there's a guy named Kenneth Williams, returning kicks there for Smarty, that could provide a dagger at some point in that game. 5 and O is certainly on the table. Is it a coin flip chance? Is it better? Is it worse? I'm not sure, but it's on the table. I think that it's certainly attainable for Nebraska. And yet, I don't know how many people in Husker Nation, see Red River, would have full confidence that it's legit, staring down the barrel of the rest of the way. And I think I would be right there with them. But, you know, right off Akron and Houston Christian. We knew how bad those two teams were last year. It's fun to see your team pile up points. you got to prove you have the ability to do it against anyone, to be able to do it against someone.

But I think most people didn't necessarily fully buy into Nebraska after those two big wins. They maybe wanted to, but didn't. Five and no start would be fun. It would be worth it. You take it in a heartbeat. But until Nebraska challenges and or beats Indiana and Oregon, before they get their home win over Washington,

before they take the show on the road and beat Illinois, before they get their win over records, before they push Ohio State and, you know, snap the Iowa stuff, at least for a year, five and O's not going to move the needle for me, you know, because then go play a bowl game and win it. You know, go to a Music City Bowl and take down Ole Miss like Brett Murphy predicts. Go to, you know, something above a pinstripe bowl, you know, or a Las Vegas bowl and beat another team that you don't see with a fresh game plan and your guys, you know, love the season in one place so they stuck around. I'm not asking for college football playoff or bust, you know, for Nebraska. I don't think if 5-0 start means Nebraska is in pole position for the college football playoff.

I think there'd be a whole lot of wait and see around Husker fans for it. But it would at least open up the possibility to dream again. I think if they get to 5-0 and it actually looks good. And you have signed a sustainable success. Yeah, no, I agree with you. It would be, you'd be, don't want to buy fool-schooled at that point. You'd want to see what it is moving forward. Remember Nebraska got stuck on five wins, what, October 5th of 2024.

and struggled to try to get through their sixth win. Of course, same thing happened in 2023. They got through their fifth win, October 28th, and they never did get through sixth win. So there would still be a little bit of interest from there forward. All right, let's go ahead and end one-on-one right there. We will come back with Bach in the Blacksure coming next year at 93-7, the ticket.