1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - Defining a Wrestling Rivalry: August 5th, 10am

Episode Date: August 5, 2022

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We got the rest of the day. Folks will take you through there, Husker Talk. I want to do that. But I wanted to have some fun, some silliness, some ranting and raving. It's been a move on social media, focused on, you know, WWE, greatest wrestlers, that sort of thing. And I wanted to kind of offshoot that

because they did a feature on rivalries, great rivalries. For all the gimmicks, some of the best gimmicks put together in one place. That's how you can kind of define the rivalry, is that it changed how business was being done. It turned somebody into a greater thing, a greater version of it, or turned both of them into a greater thing.

So if you're going to do that, you have to determine who the greatest wrestler of all time is. Well, the greatest wrestler of all time is Andre and John. Everybody talked with talk, we'll talk Flare. You talk to St. You talk to St.Ock, Winkle, et cetera, et cetera. Stone Cole, Steve Austin, the Rock, right? I mean, I think I'd just name eight of the top ten all time. Right?

In fairness, right? Right. probably could add Brock Lesnar and Kurt Engel or Brock Lesnar and Roman Range. John Cena has to be a part of it. You're going to leave some of them out? Triple H. Triple H. You're going to leave.

Did you say Flair? Yeah. You're going to leave somebody out. You definitely are. In the conversation. If you just had a top 10, you're going to leave somebody out. But for me, again, when you start. having these all-time conversations, can you talk pro-wrestling and not talk about these people?

Right? You have to talk about Andre. You have to talk about Hogan. You have to talk about Flair. You have to talk about the Rock. Stone Cold because he changed the way business is being done. Sina, who carried it for a long time. And now Roman Raines and Brock Lesnar are carrying it, but where do they fall in compared to John

Sina, etc.? So we'll have some fun with it. I was trying to then determine what would define it as the best ever rivalry. Right? Has to be different. Has to have them at their best for each other. They had to do something different. You got to have at least one memorable moment.

Like there's a moment, right? There's a moment. Taker, yep, undertaker. Takers in the top five. No matter how you look at it, takers in the top five. Like, you got to remove folks from it. Like, I dig that.

Well done, Ray, Tater, both of you all. Thomas and Lincoln says, Hardys and Dudleys, Edging Christian. Yeah, it was pretty good. Rock and Austin are in this list. Rock and Austin changed how this worked.

Eric says Andre had a gimmick does not make him great. Yeah, I'm coming at your DP. He's also, it's my opinion, I'm voting for Brett to him and Hart is the best wrestler. As the best technical wrestler, yes,

Brett Hart as a technical wrestler. But Andre was not a gimmick. Andre was the, Andre may have, Andre could beat everybody up. Whenever you want it. You can.

As long as he wanted. You can't gimmick that size. You can't gimmick what Andre was. And the thing about it was, like, I was joking with Chris Raff about it, right? And it was, you know, here's Andre and Hogan. But this is all great Andre was. Hogan had to ask Andre permission to do anything that he was going to do in their match.

And as a matter of fact, when he went to the ring that night, he was afraid that Andre wasn't going to let him win. Like he was afraid that at some point, Andre was just going to go, nope. You know what? I changed my mind. No, like, no.

Like, that was the greatest receipt giver in the history of pro wrestling was Andre the giant. Because nobody could handle him. Nobody could handle him. I think he was slammed like three or four times in his career. Right? Three or four times in his career. And by permission in each one. Like he had to get permission.

Somebody tried to slam him. I figured who it was, and they were telling the story of Andre, them trying to slam Andre without his permission. And Andre beat the brakes off of him. Rico. He literally just stood in the ring, he wrapped the guy's arms up in the rope so he couldn't defend himself, and then just proceeded to five slap him into submission.

You got to follow the rules when you wrestle on somebody like that. Right, right, right. You know what, Willie? That's such a great take. he says I'm old school, R. Jones, and Bulldog Bob Brown. Like, I didn't want it to just be WWE because there were great rivalries outside. The American wrestler, AWA, and a texture just is on point with it,

that the Von Erick's, the Von Erick's were amazing. And their battles with Bach Winkle and company were just top level. it was top level. I mean, it was amazing. Amazing. Daniel Bryan's a great technical wrestler, but he's not at the ilk of, of Brett Hart.

I go back to, you know who may have been? Ted DiBiase may have been the best technical. Ted DiBiase would deliver retribution through wrestling. But, and then, of course, the guy that creates counterfeit when you talk about it, But Chris Benoit, Chris Benoit was such a great technical wrestler.

As a matter of fact, that was part of the problem, is that we used to watch, whenever we watch Chris Benoit wrestle, we always said he doesn't know it's not real. Like he wrestled, it was like, oh, Benoit's out there just thinking he's fighting for his life. Yeah. Like, he's out there literally just like,

this is what I'm going to do. Like, this is the thing. Yeah, and regional, regional, space matters because if you were back east versus Midwest versus the Northwest versus Texas, Texas had its own and then you can go into Mexico

and it's a whole other thing. Mask battles are a part of, like it was just a thing. Right? It was just a thing. Radio and Eddie Guerrera were my guys. Yeah, I mean, because the little, like you wanted the little guys.

I don't know how you put them in that space without, out you got to consider like guys like Dean Malinko the little guys in wrestling but it's hard to put them in the greatest rivalries because little guys didn't have the traction Eddie Guerrero

was spectacular because he brought the Lucre Libre Mexican style of wrestling into the mainstream and then added the Canadian grappler type of wrestling as well So it's through all of it. Yeah, Greg Gagnan and Jumping, we're a great tag team.

But I don't know that they had a rivalry that carried them all. You're right, Clayton Jha. He was from Omaha. A million dollar man Ted DiBi is from Omaha. For that small stretch, Triple H and Sean Michaels. Well, this is the measuring stick. So I asked you to pull up a clip because this. sets the tone for a rivalry and what it means.

Rico, if you would, please. You're going to try to beat Brett Hart with a sharp shooter? Yes, he is. Now, pause there. Pause there for a second. First of all, I am. The ref got out of that ring so fast. That's the Montreal screw job,

which is the rivalry of where Sean Michael and Brett Hart actually don't like. like each other. Now, the best rivalries have a bit of that flavor where in real life, the two guys don't like each other and there's some resentment that shows up. And here's the thing. There's moments in them where you know that Brett Hart just punched, kicked Sean Michaels because it mattered, right? And this thing was so bad that Brett hit, he's spitting the owner's face.

So, like, they don't like each other, but at the same time, like, he's doing that and the ref calls it and is running out. And Sean, like, stops and, like, kind of bends over and he, like, it looks like he's looking at Brett, like, what just happened? Like, I didn't know this was going to happen. And then everybody's at the side of the ring. Vince is right there. You've got security.

Well, everybody in the crowd. His brother's there, right? The first row of the crowd stood up immediately. Well, because they knew the story behind it was that Brent was going to leave to go. to WCW. But he was the champion. And the fear was you did not want your championship belt to end up on the other show. And it was a big rivalry at that moment, right?

So as they went through it, then they told him, he says, listen, I do not want to lose the belt to Sean in my hometown, right, in Canada. Don't make me do this. And they had offered other people. And then it was how it was. Well, the thing was is that they got him in the sharpshooter, which was Brent's hole, and it was disrespectful, and they went through it.

And so let's go to the Honda Lincoln Hotline. Outdoors Kevin wants to call it. Kevin, what's up, man? Hey, how about seeing and Flair their rivalries? And also, you know, you had Sid Vicious. He was a beast. But I'll hang up and listen. Thanks.

Yeah, you know, this is, and here's what happens when you start having these conversations. Because you could put, Hulk Hogan's because of the length of his run he had rivalries with stuff like him and macho. Is it him and macho? Is it him in Macho? Is it him in Ultimate Warrior? Is it Hogan and Andre? Is it Hogan?

Like, you've got to go through. Flair. Is it Flair in Blockwickle? Is it Flair with Steamboat? Is it Flair with Sting? Is it Flair with Dusty Roads? Is it Flair with Harley Race? I think Flair had a rivalry with everybody. Right. So you got to pick which one. And then you go Harley Race. Okay, so Harley Race was the guy, was the guy guy guy.

He had rivalries. Like his battles with Flair were exceptional. Then you have to think past regional rivalries and then national and worldwide rivalries. Where there were times when if Harley Waste was the NW champion, he only had to face NWA challengers until he was brought into a different space to take on their best.

Him going to New York and taking on Bob Backlin. Right? It was amazing. But Bob Backlin's rivalry with superstar Billy Graham was epic. It just wasn't good as Billy Graham versus Bruno San Martino. Sting,

to me, the epic Sting rivalry is Sting versus Hollywood Hogan. Not Hulk Hogan, but, you know, NWO Blackbeard Hogan versus Sting. Like that's a great, that's a great rivalry. That's a good one. Right?

So then you have to make the decisions. The different versions of Hogan. Right. The different versions of wrestlers is hilarious. Right. Because this is the thing for guys, There's a handful of wrestlers who were unique to themselves all the time, and there were very few of them.

Rick Steamboat was Rick Steenboat all the time. They tried to change him into the dragon, which I thought I hated it. I hated it. Ricky the Dragon Steamboat? I hated that. That's how I remember him. Well, no. He was in the NW.

He was Ricky the Dragon Steamboat, but WCW, WWE turned him into the dragon. Oh, just the dragon? Just the dragon where he had the full dragon. dress. And I didn't like any of that. Like, I didn't like any. It wasn't necessary. Rick's team, but people said that John Cena was the greatest face of all time.

The guy who was never a bad guy. John Cena was never a bad guy. He wasn't. He was never a bad guy. But the greatest face. Those jeans shorts were bad. Oh, they were. But he was never a bad guy.

Look. And, and to be fair. They were so long. But remember, there were several versions of John Cena. Because early Sina was. my dude early seena was my guy different right early scene it was was was was because he come on giving me he will come on give you the hip hop freestyle and you go okay i saw one of his freestyle like one of his freestyle dis is there was like five people in the ring and he was just

doing little freestyles for all of them and i'm like i forget about this scene but man one because he had the best throwback jerseys so oh yes his jersey collection was fire and he had the chain and when he won the championship he turned it into this the spinner but he also at the best shoe game. He did. Because he actually wore like Airwins and Jordan's in ring to battle. I'm like, how are you wrestling? First off,

in those those just extra large gene parachutes. Right, right. Like, how is that possible? How is that possible, man? But, but, that's fantastic. Jason, we've said, just jump on the app. But you can jump on YouTube and you can jump on Facebook

and you can hear everything just as clear as day. Jake the Snake and Brutus the Barba Beefcake was a great one. Ravishing Rick Rood, right? That's a thing. And then it becomes people like Undertaker. Now, think about this. Think about this. Undertaker came in and beat Hogan.

He took the title from Hogan at the top. And then ran through everybody. Now, people want to say that the greatest Undertaker rivalry was King. some will say that but but to me the greatest Hogan the greatest undertaker rivalry

was mankind because those are the two dark shows where he at Brussels where he threw him off the top of the cage you're right like he power slammed him through the fence down onto the mat

down to the mat right like how mankind isn't dead I have no idea. We really, they really didn't know. Like, they really didn't know. How Mick Foley did not die, I'm very confused. They didn't know.

Now, I want to go back to the clip from ScrewDop, and I want you to back it up 15 seconds, right? Back it up 15 seconds and then play it again. Because there's a thing that happens to wrestling fans. And it happens when you play the clip. So play the clip. You're going to try to beat Brett Hart with a shirt. Sheeter, yes, he is.

It's the music. Every dude who is this HBK fan is doing the dance. And then you do the pose. Right. You spread it out and then you hit the pose. I just saw Brett spitting Vince's face. Oh, right? And he just turns around and Vince just wipes it away.

Doesn't even like, he knows. Vince knows. Right. And so that's a moment where they went into the back, right? So actually Brett Hart and Jim, Nighthart came out to the ring, and then they were family family. I mean, they were brothers, and then Knighthart had married. It was an in-law, so he married a heart daughter.

And he came to the ring, and they were trying to explain this, this is, man, this is dirty. Because they had talked about this. They had had five meetings that day about how this was not going to go down. Like, here's the stuff you're not going to do. And, of course, Vincent Berman went on and did exactly what he said he was going to do. But they go back to the locker room, and the first thing is that Brett confronts Sean. Like, did you know? And Sean lied to him and said, no, I didn't know.

I didn't know. But he did. He did. He absolutely did. And that's the way it worked. But then they go into locker room. Vince is back in the hub. And he's kind of sitting there.

And he looks at Brett. And he says to Brett, you get one punch. You get one punch. And Brett Hart knocks Vince McMahon. man to the ground with a right hand. And then he leaves and then shows up on TVS the next night. So in the top of the realm of this thing is when you talk about rivalries,

it's the Montreal screw job is the standard. Yes. The standard for what a rivalry is. And I want to go through several of these and you guys can tell me, what that is, right? You have to, he says you have to watch show WW. Yeah, the legends are doing their thing.

One, it's great stuff on WWW put together show where they're trying to find the iconic outfits. Oh, yeah, you told me about that. Right. Some people just have them, like, they bought them in, like, an auction or something, and they're going around trying to find them.

That's awesome. Yeah, well, they wouldn't imagine, like how much you even... Like, they wanted to find, Undertaker's first outfit, so when he made his debut, because collectors, wrestling memorabilia collectors are notorious in their hounds. Like, I used to be one of them, so I can tell you, like that. I once had a Rick Flair rope, like an actual robe that he wore,

not in a championship match, but he wore it on TV. And when he was my neighbor, like, so I'll close this segment with it. So imagine being able to, okay, how am I going to tell us? Yeah, I was wondering how you were going to go about this. Okay. So my house was the house that Flair used to throw parties. Okay. And not have his wife blame him for throwing parties.

All right. So he would set up these parties, but the parties would be at my house and my pool. But he's like, hey, I'm going over. I'm just going over there. Like, I'm just going to hang out. Acting like, well, there's nothing really going on. I'm just going to go hang out over there. And turns out he's invited like 100 people.

And they're going to be over there. But one night. You know, Wafie was like, no, she walked across street and was like, what is going on? And there's Natch being Nage. Like, he's being full on Nage. He does not have a robot. That's not surprising. Yeah, he doesn't have a robot.

And Wifie was like, what's going on? And, you know, I fell on the grenade. I fell on the grenade. Like, I'm his keeper. Okay, cool. But as a payback, like, I'm like, hey, bro. Like, seriously. Come on.

I get to go into his closet. Now, let me exhale. Was it like Nirvana? It's like, I don't, it's like going to Paisley Park and seeing all of Prince's concert outfits that you see in videos and stuff. Like that, like you're seeing all this, who, like all this stuff.

And then there's a room for the wrestling books. The 200 pair of R.F. Right? R.F. Wrestling boots, every color, every fabric, every length. Anything you can imagine. Right? Some of them still have blood on them.

Beautiful. Some of them still had blood on, right? So he's got the ones where he won championships, where he lost championships. He's got the first pair that he got that he borrowed from dusty roads. He's got a pair. Like, literally, like, it's the full thing. And he's got the trunks, right? And it's different ones.

And I got, he had the pink ones and the powder blue ones. and you go through the full scale. And then there are the robes. The robes. And he had at 10 grand a pop, he, to say that he had 150 robes. And he used that they were like credit cards for him.

Like if he wanted anything, like if he wanted Super Bowl tickets. He was like, he'd go. He was a row. He had, uh, 70-something championship belts, right?

And you just stand in the middle of it, and you just get dizzy and lightheaded. And then there's another whole walk-in closet for all the suits. And I... He did wear the hell out of a suit. Boy. So, yeah, there's, there's so much to this.

Shout out to Nage. Shout out to Nage. We'll throw it to break. We'll come back. We'll get into the tent. We'll get into the tent. to the 10. We'll get a couple of more moments. You guys feel free. Text in what you

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