1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - DP goes solo / GOAT Talk - 6/21/2024

Episode Date: June 22, 2024

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It's time to go one-on-one with D.P. Coming at you live from the couple Chevrolet GMC Studios. Here is your host, Derek Pearson. Brought you by Mary Ellen's Food for the Soul on 937 The Ticket and the Ticketfm.com. Happy Friday, everybody. Hopefully you're giving yourself some credit. Patting yourself on the back and saying, well done, because you made it through. You made it through the week.

all the things that got in your way failed to stop you. So job well done. John bold done. Hopefully you had a great week. I hope you have great plans for the weekend ahead of you. 40246, 4-6-4-6-85 is the Sarajevo text on.

What I want to talk about today is a series of greatest ever. Ooh. Greatest ever's. And there's lots in the conference. and lots of different points to direct. With the goats. Right?

But the goats of, and somebody asked me, like, when did we start using goat? And it was very recent. Really? Goat talk. Goat talk used to mean a bad thing.

Goat was a bad luck thing. Yeah. Goat was a bad luck thing. Yeah. And then somebody took the acronym greatest of all time and said, okay, you're a goat. You're a goat.

And without defining what a goat is, often in sports, we cross streams and we miss the conversation. But I invite you in to be a part of this conversation because I was asked this question. I was doing a show for my buddy in Vegas. And he asked me who my first hero's were in sports. It's a good question. And that's how, like those are the ones that made me a sports fan. Hmm. Like the people that made me a sportsman that made me care about the people who were exceptional

at this thing and whatever it was. And again, in an era, I grew up in an era where you didn't have, there's no internet, there's no ESPN, as a matter of fact, there wasn't even Fox. that you got your your your your sports in and pockets you got them in different patches and you you watch so being a DC kid that you got a lot of national feed in DC because that's just what the market was but you didn't get a lot of content you got one football game in in the early part of the day you got one football game in the other part of the afternoon.

There was no Sunday night game. There was not even Monday night. There was not even a Monday night football game. There was just Saturday. College football was just Saturday. And you usually got your choice between maybe two football games. You might get a night game, but not all the time. Yeah. And where I was in D.C., that we were kind of in between because we were north of Virginia and Virginia Tech. We were south of Maryland.

D.C. proper didn't really have football, a college football at that level. Sunday mornings, what would happen is you would get an hour recap of grambling football. You would get gambling because the late great Eddie Robinson. And you got to watch those teams and you became familiar with players. And then right behind that,

you got Notre Dame highlights. Highlights. Really? And Lindsay Nelson and Paul Hornig would do recaps. They would do the play by play, but then they would just pick highlighted plays. And you got an hour of Notre Dame football. And that was how you paid attention. Yeah. There was no sports center.

So you got the local sports and whatever that sportscaster wanted to talk about in his six minutes. that's all you got like and that's the only video you got and then Sunday night at 11 o'clock George Michael in DC would fire up the sports machine and he would take you know he had this big game room I don't know if you ever saw George Michael's sports machine but he had this big huge studio with all these TVs and he would hit all these magical buttons and play tape and that's where you saw the people that you would read about the newspaper. We got our sports via the newspaper.

Newspaper, never heard of her. Newspaper, right, that you had to read, like, yeah, that the sports section you would dig through. One, you got the lead story local, then the local, the national story. But then you would dig in and find the stats for that, whatever season you were in.

Yeah. And then you would go to the dime store, and you would find a magazine that matched your favorite sport. and that's how you got your information. That's literally how you got your information. You had to work for it more. You had to work for it. You had to listen to the radio. And yeah, you had to listen,

but you had to listen to, there were transistor radio that you would hold in your hand. And the signal was always terrible. Terrible. It didn't matter where you were. The signal was always terrible. It always sounded like it was being scratched, like the whole time.

But that's how you got like Washington senators. They weren't on TV. so you would sit around the radio or you would get your transistor and you would listen to radio listen to baseball football your team if your team wasn't a national team you didn't get to see them you had to listen on radio you had to listen on radio and that was how it was terrible it was that I remember when we when if we're on the road during a husker football game we sometimes have to listen to it on the radio yeah it just it's not the same thing same. Yeah, like it, it's just tough, right? That, that, that's how we got it. But what it forced us to do was have an imagination about what we thought was happening. Yeah, it does. And the heroic people were the play by play folks. And I don't know that the play by play folks today get as much credit as the Vin Scullies who, who, who broadcasted, they were mythical voices. They were mythical. They were mythical. The elder buck, the elder

Kerry. They were mythical because they were the people that told the country who the stars were. And they get to pick who the stars were. And then cable TV showed up. And it was like, oh, this is the best. Yeah. Because you actually get to see it. I mean, to hear about Atlanta Fulton County Stadium versus hearing about Fulton County Stadium.

Seeing Wrigley Field rather than hearing people talk about the Ivy and you go, okay, I don't quite get it. You're trying to paint a picture. Seeing the athletes, like the first time I saw Lou Brock Run was different than hearing about Lou Brock Run. Seeing Bob Gibson pitch

was a thing of art. Words can only say too much. No, he was just a different piece. And so they asked me, okay, who were your first heroes? All right, here we go. And being a DC kit, so it would almost be twofold.

One, the people that I saw a lot of and the people that I wanted to see more out. From Washington, in the 60s, in the late 60s. 60s, okay. Late 60s. Man, that sounds like a long time ago. I can't even comprehend the 60s.

Again, no TV. It's just really weird. But my first football hero was Sonny Jurgensen, quarterback for the Washington Redskins. When he retired, he led the entire NFL in passing. He was one of a kind. He really changed the way the game was being played.

And they weren't very good as far as wins and losses. But he always just put up a ton of yardage. And he had great talented receivers. He had Charlie Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, Jerry Smith. He had the best. That three is as good as any three at any, at those positions ever. That if you were going to take two wide receivers in the tight end from any team in the NFL,

any era, that when they retired from the game, Sonny Jurgensen led the NFL in career passing yards and touchdowns. Charlie Taylor led the NFL in catches all time. He was number one. Nobody had ever caught more past than he did. Bobby Mitchell was number three and Jerry Smith was number five. Okay.

That's all from one franchise at the same time. Yeah. So they were as good. And now it's been surpassed because. One, people throw more, too. Yeah. Also more games. Yeah, more games, bigger, bigger deal.

But for that run, that was as good as there was. That was as good as there was. For baseball, we had the Washington senators. Okay, yeah. And the senators were renowned for how bad they were. They were famous for being bad. People made fun of them in plays on Broadway. That's how bad they were.

The phrase, the marketing phrase for the Washington, for my Washington senators, was first in your hearts, last in the AFC, in the ALE East. That's good. First in your heart, last in the American League. Whoever came up with that needs to raise. Oh, I'm pretty sure they got it. But they played at the same stadium. They both played at RFK Stadium. And then they moved to Texas in 71, maybe 71, 72.

but on the Washington teams, we only had two really good players. One was a pitcher named Dick Boseman, who I want to say it was a 500 pitcher, but we were so bad that 500 was like ace. Yeah. He was like the ace. They went and got a guy who won the Cy Young for Detroit.

He won 30 games for Detroit, came to Washington, did not win 30 games. Denny McLean, who was a left-hander, won 30 games with Detroit. Came to D.C., not so much. But we had a hitter,

and he was a massive man. Massive. Giant, especially in that era. But just imagine that you picked up Aaron Judge from today's game and put him back in the 60s. Gee, okay. Yes. His name was Frank Howard.

he was so massive that they called him the Washington Monument. That's a good nickname. He was six, six and a half, two hundred and seventy pounds. Ooh. How fast could you run? He couldn't. No, okay. He couldn't.

But he was athletic. Okay. He was athletic. I mean, he played outfield. Okay. Then they finally got smart and put him at first base. but he was actually, he wasn't a horrible outfielder. Okay.

But he was just massive. Why would you put someone that big an outfield? Well, because he was athletic. He was an athlete, but he was massive. Yeah. And the poor guy didn't have anybody to bat around him. Like, he didn't. And it was just, it was sad, pathetic.

But he was amazing. Like, he was why we went to games. Mm-hmm. Because he would hit baseballs 500 feet. He was that dude. He would hit. He was Aaron. and judge before he would hit baseball's 500 feet like he actually the there's

mythical story that he hit one out of rfk stadium into the streets of dc yeah and there are people who still debate whether they were there or not but you know one of the tails yeah one of the like wait a minute like there's a little air duct vent that was open at the top of the stadium and he hit the ball through this vent and it went out the stadium yeah that you have to again before the internet yeah so you know don't know word mouth what they don't know but they what they would do is they would paint the seats where where his homerands landed and in a stadium of red seats there would be these white seats and those in those white seats these were the places where frank howard hit a baseball and to tell you that these are 47480 feet and there's a bunch of

So that was who we watched was a bad Senators team, a bad Redskins team. And then we had ABA basketball. Yeah, ABA. For the NBA. Before the, well, before it merged with the NBA. Yeah, before it merged with the NBA. The NBA was established. The ABA was a new, cooler, trendier.

They had the red, white, and blue ball. Everybody dressed cool, big afros. So much so that, you know, Will Ferrell mocked it in a movie. Oh, yeah. Playing for the tropics. Yeah, I know. I watched it. I literally watched it like a couple months ago.

Yeah. My brother brought it up. Yeah, it's. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, Jackie Moon. Yeah, Jackie Moon. Jackie Moon. So they said, here's the story.

They said that one night, in Detroit that Frank Howard hit a ball that was reported as traveling over 600 feet and this was in the this was actually reported

okay like the this is in the Washington Post this happened like this is the Washington Post and they said no now again not real sure how effective how accurate

tape measures were in 1968 about as effective as they are now, I guess. You know, like, like, it's a thing. But yeah, there are several stories. And they said that also he played in Seattle where they think he hit a ball 600 feet. They played in six stadium. So the name of six. So sick, like sick.

Oh, sick. Oh. S-I-C-K, apostrophe S-S stadium. Okay, sick. which is it's now a lows in Seattle. Okay. But there's a gap between the bleacher and the center field fence. Okay.

And there's a tall sign, the height of a ladder, right? But there's a gap. And he said that Frank Howard hit a ball through the gap that landed across the street. And he did it in front of five. to front of 43,000 fans. 40 back then, 43? 43,000 fans. Wow.

So that Mickey Mantle also hit a ball 565 feet out of Griffith Stadium in D.C. And they thought it was the furthest home run until Frank Howard hit the ball in Seattle that they think traveled over 600 feet. And again, tons of people saw it. So there's a thing. Those are your heroes. Yeah, those are my heroes. Basketball. The bullets were in Baltimore.

Yeah. They were in Baltimore. They were not in D.C. People don't know that Washington had a Capitals team before hockey. The Washington Caps existed as a pro basketball team who were, they were world champions. They were ABA champions. they played in Oakland the year before. They were the Oakland Oaks.

They featured the Oakland Oaks. They didn't go far. Like they weren't looking real hard for a nickname. Like what can we do? Yeah. Who was on the marketing team? Yeah. Like, you know, just, you know, somebody, somebody picked the name out of the hat.

They probably put me on that team. Yeah, they put a name in the hat, Oakland Oaks. Like, we're going to go with that. But they won the ABA championship, with their star player being a player, a small forward by the name of Rick Barry. Ooh, okay. And they moved, they weren't making any money in Oakland, so they moved them to Washington, D.C. Bigger, yeah.

Didn't make money there. So much so that they sold the team and it moved to Virginia, but Virginia didn't have a home form, so they played in several different places and became the Virginia Squy. Interesting. So imagine a world basketball championship team with no home. That's how wacky the 60s and 70s were. Wow. That a championship team didn't have a place to play.

That just shows you like the difference of popularity in sports back then and now. Well, I feel like. You didn't even see, you didn't see these games on TV. Yeah, that that's the. That in the 70s, it wasn't until the 70s that you actually got to see the games. And I don't think it really happened until Magic Bird. Yeah. I mean, how is it supposed to be popular if people can't watch that one? They didn't watch it. As a matter of fact, the NBA finals were on tape delay.

Like they would record it. Yeah. And then, but again, you didn't have the internet and you didn't have cell phone. So you had no way of knowing unless I told you what the score was. Yeah. But they would run tape delay. It's like 10 o'clock at night. UCLA, when they went on their great run in Los Angeles, they would record the games. And Bill Walton used to joke, he and Kareem, because they would, play the game, fans wouldn't be able to see it.

And then they would run back to their dorm and watch it on TV being aired as though it was live. Yeah. And it's okay. And so you didn't really know. Think 72 Olympics, so the miracle. Okay. Miracle on ice.

Yeah. Do you know that that was not broadcast live? Yeah, I did know that. It never made it live. Crazy. And it was one of the greatest, one of the greatest sporting events, like sporting moments. 1980, Lake Placett

hockey was not live. 72, the great Russia USA basketball matchup that was controversial, not live. On tape, on tape delay. I just couldn't even imagine. This is why we're the way we are. We didn't have nice things.

As I think about it now, that, mind you, you could go to Super Bowl for $10. So there's that. Super Bowl tickets for $10. I mean, okay, with inflation, I wonder how much that would be today.

Like $60, maybe. Yeah, see, that's like nothing. Yeah, no, we did have that nice. Okay. As they talked about with the College World Series, that you could go general admission for $10. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, general mission, like people,

if they had general mission now, would be $50 seat. At a minimum, $50 sheets. So, yeah, while we didn't have all of the, we didn't have the internet, we didn't have fast food like that. We didn't have Uber Eats. Didn't have delivery.

Like, you could, pizza delivery wasn't, like, it wasn't the same, man. You actually had the drive and go get the pizza. That I think about that. Wow. missed out a lot of stuff. But we had some really good things.

He says, Fred says, is someone a bit older than, Fred, you're not that much older than I am. He says, you're bringing back a lot of memories. That's kind of the point was that, so the ABA team played a third of its games in Norfolk, Virginia. Yeah, in Norfolk, Virginia. And then it played some in Richmond,

and then it played some in D.C. And it was messy. But I did find my favorite player amongst the mass. We'll go to break. On the brick and mortar, we're going to jump over to the Royals on the streams. One-on-one returns after the break. You're listening to One-on-One with DP,

sponsored by Mary Ellen's Food for the Soul, on 937 the ticket and the ticket FM.com. DP on a Friday, one-on-one. We appreciate you on the stream, if you know, the brick-and-mortar. You're probably here in the KC. Yeah, we've just been and I went down the rabbit hole. A big rabbit hole.

Yeah, this was deep. This was deep because I'm trying to get an understanding of this. So, Super Bowl tickets. Yeah, Super Bowl tickets. And I appreciate the fact that I, you know, my uncle went to the first Super Bowl and spent $8. $8. That's how much fast food costs now.

$8. Well, I mean, well, back then, you could get a, you could get a McDonald's meal for $0.89. Yeah. Like you could get a cheeseburger, fries, soda for $89. Jeez. I remember when the first, when the first price went over $1 because people lost their money. As Bill Bush says, better times. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's, yeah. I mean, it was, it was, this was the thing. You could get ice cream for $10. Like you for 10 cents you were rich because you go to you go to penny candy store. Yeah. And you just any candy you get 10 of them. Now you don't even pick up a dime when you see it on the street. No.

Like is it worth the back pain? Yeah. Has it worth the back pain of being old? Maybe a quarter. You know, dollar. Like, you sure. That better be a real dollar. I would have been to pick it up.

But 1967. So Super Bowl one. Una. It's the one. Ticket costs $10. And through adjusted for inflation. So they adjusted it to kind of measure it. But inflation at $90.

$90. Yeah. And that's still not that much today, to be honest. No. I mean, I would go to Super Bowl for $90. I mean, imagine the greatness that is with, with spring games. only being $10. Yeah.

Like kudos. Like as much as we give the University of Nebraska grief, $10 spring game tickets, Bravo. They're not trying to make money off that. I mean,

they are, but like, we got to pay the bills. Yeah. And so the, but the idea that you could only charge $10, bravo.

Yeah, they could totally up that price. Yeah, bravo. I mean, I think it's $10. I don't. Fans would totally pay for more.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't know. Here's what I know about fans will complain about every ticket. Like anytime somebody like. Unless it's free. Like we were,

we were working because we were working with Supernovas. Yeah. And so on social media, they would often do these ticket giveaways, these ticket prices. Like, hey, we're going to, you know, we're going to for for March, hides of March,

we're going to make tickets $3.15. And you should throw confess. and tear. And immediately as soon as they posted it, somebody would post, it's not 315 with tax and fees. And they're like, come,

you're getting a $3 ticket. I mean, they're not wrong, but, you know. And then you go, well, wait,

do you want to go to the game? Is that what you're saying? And they're like, yeah, you should give me tickets because I can't afford the $3.50. I was just like, you got bigger issues if you can't afford that.

You know, look, I try not to mock anybody, but I know in this that for the first four Super Bowls, five, six, seven, eight, for the first eight Super, Super Bowls, Max price, $15. 15.

For the first state, and you saw some good games. You saw some great games. You saw some great talent. Then it jumped up to 20 in 1975. It stayed at that price until 1978 when it jumped to, to $30, $1978. So it's Steelers, Cowboys, Hayday.

Heyday. Like, $30 Super Bowl tickets. The good old days. Like, the fact that you could not watch that now. No, you can't even get it on pay-per-view for that. Yeah, that's how much you're having to pay for streaming. Yeah, like you're not getting that.

$30 all the way up to 1981. jumped up to 40, stayed there until 84, where it was $60, inflation adjustment puts it at $175 per ticket. Currently, $60 in 85, that's the Bears run. So, you know, seeing Walter Payton, $86,75, which ran until 1988, where it hit 100. It stayed at 100 for three years, jumped up to 125 in 1990,

stayed at 150 for the next couple of years, then bumped up to 175 all the way up to 1994. Then in 1995 jumped to $200. 96. The following year, they added 150. Thanks 1996 Again the previous year

$200 ticket In 1996 tickets were $350 Going up substantially It gets worse Well no actually got better for three years Where it was all It was 275

Oh it went down It went down Interesting Went down I wonder why I don't have to go back and look at what those supercoles were. I wonder if it was this bad TV.

Maybe it was the Vikings of Buffalo. They were just like, ah, enough. I can't watch it. Then it jumped up to 325, which it was for four years. 2002. Oh, 2. So 9-11. Yeah.

That era, 2001, where it was 325, following year, 400. stayed at 400 for four years until 2005 where it jumped to $600. I was one. It's all your fault. You were born and ticket prices went on. Thanks, Ben. No problem. Thank you.

I'm here all day. Yep, apparently. 2005, $600. Then it jumped to $700 for two years. Fast forward to 2009. It hits $1,000. Four digits. 2009.

From the life of me, I cannot even remember who was in that Super Bowl. I can look it up. I would think that it's the Patriots. I mean, because 08 was Giants Patriots, right? So 2009, where the ticket price went to. 2009 Super Bowl. I'm looking it up. It was Cardinal Steelers.

Ooh, wasn't that when they, who had that great catch in the edge of the end zone? Oh, was it that game? Yeah. And then Larry, Fitzgerald went off. Yep, and they tracked down. Yeah. Interception,

chased him down. Yep. Did that whole thing. I've seen highlights from that game. A thousand dollars for the next two years. I mean, that was a good Super Bowl. It was a great Super Bowl.

Yeah. It didn't go the way folks wanted it. Still a great Super Bowl. Yeah, a great Super Bowl. Great game. $1,500, 2014. Bounced all the way up.

10 years ago. That's what it was. Done. $2,000 in 2015. Wait, that went up $600 and one year. Yes, he did. One year. $500.

It's $2,500 in 2016. The adjusted for inflation cost is $3,000. In 2017, ticket price cost $2,500. 2018. $2,500. $19, same. And then something happened in 2020.

What was that? What happened? I don't, I would think that it's COVID. I don't know that it's COVID. I can't speak to it in that sort of way. It'd be interesting if it was. Yeah, we, yeah, it really is. I mean, it probably would have been harder to go to the game because, you know, they had less seats and stuff.

That's maybe why. I mean, this is crazy that it jumped from 25, 500 to $7,000. Wow. $7,000 and said that the average, if you adjusted it for inflation, it's only $8,000, which is some shenanigans because you're telling me that the money means more. Like that's a good one. Yep.

Tom Fulery, that's a good one. That's always a good one. It went up from $7,000 to $8,500 in 2021. from $8,600 to $9,000 in 2022. And then last year, last year, ticket costs range from $6,000 to $275. Wow. I'm going to tell you, I'm not spending that much to go to the Super Bowl.

I'll just watch it at home. Yeah, I mean, imagine the party you could spend, you could have for that kind of money. Yeah. And not have to do any work. You can invest that money. You can do anything you want with it. Yeah, yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot of money.

For a lot of people, that's a lot of money. That's a down payment on the house. For me, that's a lot of money. Yeah, down payment on the house. You get what you want. But that's, I mean, that's a part of having discussions with folks and being able to say, okay this is what moves me. To think, and we don't know who the athletes were in any of these games.

I did that on purpose, just so that you could think, just simply put, what is the value of going to that game? I mean, something I was talking to you about during the break was a lot of people don't feel like sporting events are as fun to go to as they used to. And I feel like a big part of that is, you know, because of the price increase of tickets, I feel like your casual fan can't afford to go to these games. Or maybe they can, but they don't want to spend that kind of month. Well, these used to be old, like old Ebbets Field type stadiums that were neighborhood

Wrigley, where these are neighborhood stadium. Fenway is actually a neighborhood stadium. But it was built up. And people who built it up didn't take any pride, didn't take any honor in it. And some of those have just not been good. I mean, I know FedEx feel. I mean, Daniel Snyder had lots to say about what to do with that nonsense.

So, yeah, there's a thing. There's a thing, but a Super Bowl ticket ranging from $6,000 to $27,000 and not give me a reason for it for the increase of the improvement. I mean, I mean,

the game has gotten more popular, but. Yeah, but I mean, that should mean more talent, not less. Yeah. You know, it just should.

It's always fascinating. Interesting. Do we want to get back to the conversation? We were having. So the goat conversation? Yeah. Yeah. So.

Because, I mean, the Super Bowl thing was interesting. So, well, what tickled me was that in the ABA, I went and saw the Virginia Squires. Yeah. For $2. See, and that's how this conversation came about. I literally sat on the floor. I could have. I think I could have played.

Like, I think if I, if I. If you were to get five. Right. Like, I think that, you know, you messed around and play. But that Virginia team organization had just,

so they, they'd lost Rick Berry. Because he said he didn't want his kids to get, have a Southern accent. He literally. They like out of his contract. Okay. He boycotted a professional contract.

I didn't know that. So, so that his kids wouldn't say y'all. Y'all. He had a real issue with that. I like saying y'all. Yeah. It's,

it's a fun thing. and I don't know why he didn't enjoy it. So he left. They traded him. They also had a young player by the name of George Gervin. The ice man. They traded him. They had Julius Irving.

Dr. Jay. Traded him. Traded Dr. J. Interesting. Yeah. It haunted them for a while. I bet it did. Yeah, he ended up in New Jersey and...

Then Philadelphia? Yeah, so he was with the New Jersey Nets. They won the ABA title. Yeah. And then they were pulled into the NBA. People weren't sure they were... Yeah, they weren't, you know, then Philadelphia. After that, he wasn't the same in Philly.

Yeah, not. New Jersey and New York doc was pretty impressive. I mean, Philly Doc was pretty impressive, too, but yeah. First Virginia Bank, Doc was nice. All Dr. Jay was. was impressive yep i mean it just was the thing so my favorite athlete in basketball before the bullets came to dc was julius serving hmm that's a good choice um so frank howard sunny jurgensen julius irving and then and then i needed somebody from sports

entertainment because back then when you had three stations that's all you had wrestling was on all the all the time. And families watched. It wasn't just dad or it wasn't just the son. It was everybody. They watched the restaurant. At that time in Virginia, we were part of the WWWF.

WWF. And they had a champion named Bruno San Martino, who was literally a superhero. He just beat up people each week. He beat up the bad guy. And he held the title for seven years. Okay. Wow. Long time. Long time. And so we had some fun that he was one of my heroes because he protected good.

He was a hero. Oh, he was everything. So those are, those were my guys that, that, that, that I rooted for because they were local and familiar to me. But from a distance, people that I watched that I wanted to pay attention to. And I went, hmm, that's different. That's different. When it came to football, I tried to, you saw the same six teams all the time.

You did. I happened, my first hero, and it's probably not popular. Uh-oh. But it was O.J. Simpson. Mm, the juice.

He ran, when he ran for 2,000 yards. He was a good football player. He was the best. Like, everybody wanted to be i'm underselling that he was a good football right but my my stepdad had a his own superhero and he just he he drilled it in my head that the greatest football player to ever live wasn't from his ear it wasn't from my ear it was from his he said this was the greatest

superman ever his name was jim brown yeah brunt he prayed for the browns right he said jim browns he said jim browns the greatest football player to ever live and then so that became my favorite football player Interesting. He said that Willie Mays was the best baseball player ever with. And he passed away. He, my stepdad preached Willie Mays, the best five-tool athlete ever.

And so I fought for that. I fought for that. And then in basketball, my stepdad would take me to church. Okay. when it came to basketball. And he would tell me about Wilts Chamber. Wilt the Stilt.

And nobody did what Wilk could do. I mean, averaging 50 points and 20 rebounds in the same season. Was this 100 point game real? Did it actually happen? Yes. There's a lot of people that don't think that happen. And I find that weird. And they're weird.

Yeah. They're weird. Yeah. It happened. Stop it. Yeah. He averaged 50 points game. Like he did it every night.

He was the biggest dude on the court. Like, well, I mean, he was, but he, he was always the best athlete. True.

Yeah, he was an athlete. He was the best athlete on the court. Um, and that was like, kind of the thing was watching him be dominant and then watching Lou El Sender take his place. Watching Kareem become Kareem.

Kareem was the go before Michael Jordan. I feel like. Well, he had a better college career. Yeah. Jordan did. because at UCLA, I think they lost one game, maybe. Yeah, because that was when, oh, man, who is.

Elvin Hayes. Who is their, yeah. But Elvin Hayes beat them out of Houston. Who is their coach? Why am I blanking on the name? John Wooden. John wouldn't. And Wooden's the greatest basketball coach of all time.

He, yeah. Great, great. Like, doesn't even compare. I lean, and again, the goat conversation kind of bleeds over. But, yeah, so. John Wooden was the greatest collegiate basketball coach ever. 11 titles,

nine of them consecutive years. Yeah, not bad. It's like Bill Russell numbers. Well, but he's the Bill Russell in that conversation. Bill Russell was the winningest player. Yeah. Then you get into pro basketball.

And I'm a member of this that if you told me that you thought it was Phil Jackson that means you haven't paid attention to Red Hourback. Red Hourback won more titles. They'd have to, the Celtics team would have to win through 2030 to just be in the discussion with Red Hourback. That's how good he was.

And in baseball, I loved Earl Weaver. Okay. Who managed Baltimore Orioles. was the first guy that that I ever saw throw a tantrum at work. A tantrum. He would throw tantrums. I have not thrown a tantrum yet. He would go. These are, these are monumental tantrums. Monumental. He would kick dirt at the home plate umpire. I've seen, I've seen the dirt kicks. He would, he would pull the bases out of the, out of the hole. Oh, that's a new one. Yeah. And then he would throw them. At the, at the, at the ums?

Yeah, he would throw them away from the else. Right. He would throw bats. And then that led, to Billy Martin doing the same, and then Sparky Anderson of the Big Red Machine. Those were the goats. Those are the people that, no matter what was going on, those were the goats. I'll ask you,

if you could draft up your favorite baseball team, like the best baseball team, position by position. You put me on the spot, DP. I'm not a huge baseball person, but I mean... Are you a football guy? Yeah. Are you a basketball guy?

Yes. Okay. So if I said in the NBA, you could pick any player in here. Okay. Give me your five. You only get five. I only get five.

You only get five. All right. Well, I'm going to put Michael Jordan in there. Okay. That's my first pick. Okay. The debate between Curry and Magic Johnson is always interesting to me

because they're two completely different players. You only get one. I know I only get one. I want to say magic, but then again it's like my center's not going to be able to shoot threes either so i might i might pick curry okay i think i'm going to pick curry okay um then i'll put lebron at the three okay at the four who would i put at the four hmm i think tim duncan i think i'll put tim Duncan okay i'll do that okay either that or i would do like two

setters like koreen it's your team yeah it's your team you could literally do whatever you want i'm gonna do tim duncan and then i'll put shack i put the diesel okay that that'll be my five that's your five that's my five okay maybe dirk novitsky instead of tim duncan because he was pretty good too but i'll say tim i don't it's a weird thing that i have a lot of friends who love dirk like that yeah i don't love Dirk that way, but I also don't love Tim Duncan. Some Duncan won a lot. He won a lot.

But then it becomes the Belichick Brady conversation with Duncan and Popovich. Are they great because of each other? Are they great in spite of each other? Could they have been great in spite of each other? Also, remember that Duncan walked in and had David

Robinson to lean on, to lean on. And they had four number one picks. Like, Sean Elliott was, was no slouch. Yeah. How they won with Avery Johnson is a mystery to me, but the fact that they had Tony Parker and Manu Genoble behind them made a heck of a difference. And to me, that speaks more to Popovich than the play, right?

It's Popovich more than Duncan because he got, he turned his six man into a an all-star. He turned his seventh band until an all-star. That's pretty good. I think that's him, not Tim. Tim Duncan was good, though. Very good. I just don't like that. So is that the one you don't agree with it? We agree with on my list? Well, so.

Who did I weave off? That's irking you. That's eating. There's no wrong because it's yours. It's mine. But if I needed, if I could play any big at four. room. Does that mean I want him to shoot or do I want him to

rebound? Yeah. I feel like, I mean, if I was wanting to shoot, then I picked Dirk. Single, single animal. I don't know that Dirk could guard Carl Malone. See, I would, when I was thinking for, Carl Malone came up in my mind. Yeah. I don't know that people give Carl the due respect as a player. No, he, yeah. Like, he was a savage. He was a beast. But in the same token, I don't know that John Stockton gets enough credit at the point guard position. There's people saying that Isaiah Thomas was better than John Stockton.

Well, I mean, he's on the bad boys. Well, but I mean, if you look at Stocks head against Zieg, he did just fine. I want to say the Jazz were like nine and four against the Pistons, against Zieg's. The only thing that the Jazz didn't have. that they didn't win a championship. Well, they didn't have big. They didn't have big. They had Carmel.

No, we'll cause a four. They had five. They had five. I mean, their five is the list of, wow. And they were going against Michael Jordan. Greg Oster tag. Greg, Greg Osterthardt. I just, I'm only going on only he didn't average 10 points of game for his career. Like, check that out.

The Greg Oster tag. Okay. I'm almost positive. He didn't go that deep. They weren't good. Matt Harpering, Byron Russell at the two and three shared. They had a stretch where Mark Eaton.

Mark Eaton was their center. Mount Eaton, seven foot five. One of the great shot blockers in history. Wasn't going to help him beat the Lakers. Like it wasn't a thing. So you're never wrong in giving your list. that's my list that's it's not it's not a bad thing i think i would i like defense though i like defense all of the greats can play offense can get buckets

not all of them can shoot and not all of them can defend so did you did were you interested in my shack pick yeah because there's point of reference to it although i think that shack i don't know, there's no way of knowing between Shaq, Kareem, Will, Russell. Yeah, it's, I don't feel you can go wrong with any of those. Yeah. Yeah. I just think Shaq was so dominant.

I mean, who, I don't think anyone could stop him. Well, Will, would have stopped him as much as anybody could stop, but, but, but, it's not like Shaq was going to stop. Whoa. Like, it's two, it's two dinosaurs to slugging each other. That, that would be fun to watch. Yeah.

Jack against Will, that would be fun. Yeah, I mean, but Shaq had problems with Elijah one. That's a name I forgot about. Like, Elijah one was as good as any of those four. David Robinson, Patrick Ewing. There's some folks in the... I think it's just because I'm from the younger generation

that I pick Shaq. And I don't know that Larry Bird isn't on the first team either. Bird was a master. Yeah, I just feel like. LeBron, I don't know, I just can't leave LeBron off. Well, but if you told me that Larry Burt was going to run your offense or Magic was going to run your offense. Well, I had magic. I'm okay.

Yeah, I had magic and, wait, no, I had Curry and Michael Jordan. I curry and Michael Jordan. I'm not sure that I take Curry over a lot of players when it comes to greatness. Hmm. I don't know. I mean, deservedly so. I mean, they had to run. I think Michael Jordan is a better point guard,

but I just say, if you would, you know, if I was picking five players, I mean, you could put Curry on any team and he would. He would hit jump. He would fit in. He would hit jumping. Yeah.

Not saying Michael, Magic Johnson wouldn't, but like you could put Korea on. Yeah, but magic, you couldn't stop magic. True. Yeah,

no. It wasn't, like he would destroy Steph. Yeah. He would, he would, he would school 40 against Steph every night. Which is the real discussion.

is what are you willing to concede to have him on the floor? So I don't know. I don't know. But that's why we have the discussion. It's interesting. Yeah, that's why we have the discussion. Before we wrap up the show,

I want to one, you didn't give a goat for fighting. UFC, did you? You see, it's John Jones and we can stop. Okay. Like John Jones. John Jones is the one. See, see, I'm, that's surprising.

I thought you would have went with someone a little bit later, older. then John John. Because I remember John Jans. Abe is second. Okay. He's second. But,

okay. Bones is, nobody was, did what he did. Nobody could do what he did. But when I think UFC, the name that comes to my, I mean,

this is because when, like, Connor McGregor is who is why I watch USC. He's not. He's not. No. I, I,

I'm just saying like popularity-wise. That's who I, that's why, he's the reason why I watch. He could be your favorite, but I'm not, I'm not saying he's the best. Yeah, he's, but he was.

Him being the favorite. No, John Jones was a beast. Yeah. I remember watching him. He was a beast. Still is. Still is. He's coming back.

He's fighting in four months. Yeah. Three months. So yeah. It'll be interesting. Go conversation is always interesting, DP. Yep. Well, that's why we go to him.

Just, it's why we go to reset, I mean, reset, you know? Because, I mean, again, I mean, just to close out, I mean, the definition of the go, I mean, greatest of all time. Is that the most dominant of all time? Is that mean you were the most talented? I mean, it's just, it's a whole debate. It is because numbers don't have the same meaning now than they did before. See, it's hard to compare errors. It's hard to compare ears. It's a style of play, um, body mass. Folks are just bigger, tall, stronger now. So yeah, that's a thing. So yeah, it's hard to compare because you can talk receivers. People love today's receivers, but I would put receivers from the 70s and 80s against them any day.

And people would frown because Lentuan and John Starworth were as good as their work. Oh, my, I'm having a brain far. Who is the really good wide receiver for the 49ers when they had Joe Montana? Dwight Clark. Him? Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice. That's who I was thinking.

Rice the goat. That's, yeah. When I think wide receiver crosses every year. Rice, when I think order, like the older generation wide receiver, that's who. Crosses the goat. every year. He would be, he would be the Golden every year. And then I feel like recently, maybe Randy Moss. Moss is

in the top three. Yep. So who would be your top three? For me, it's Rice, Chris Carter, Moss. Interesting. Moss, those are my three greats. Those are my three grades. Yeah,

that lands. Do you think any of the modern day wide receivers could even touch any of those guys? No. No. No. no what what they did in a different game that wasn't built around to them yeah well not around throwing but also we these guys now can't be touched rice and those guys had to go against mel blood and jack tatem and they fought at the line of scrimmage it's a different game it was a

different game quarterback's had to get the ball out of the hand they had trusted receivers because they could get dumped on their head yeah it's a different game it was it was definitely a different game. Good show today, DP. Thank you, Ben. I will, we deep one-on-one will return Monday. Yes. It will return Monday until then.

It'll be, no, it'll return Sunday at one with a special guest. Ooh. Is it going to be mystery? Not going to let anybody know. He's a member of the New Orleans Saints. Oh, I know who it is. I'm not going to say. There you go.

I know who it is. There you go. He may have been how to show here before. Maybe. Maybe. Well, with that, I'll see you later, D.P. I'm out. Everyone have a good night. This was one-on-one with D.P.