1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - Dr. Adam Gentzler (Chiropractor): August 2nd, 10:25am

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

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You've got so much to do. You've got so much to do. It is a pleasure and enjoy to bring in our guest in studio, Dr. Adam Gensler. How are you this morning? Thank you for doing this. Yeah, I'm doing great. So let's tell the story. I mean, how does young Adam become Dr. Adam?

What's the process? Where from? Who helps you get there? Yeah, so I'm from Gretna, originally just up the street. Okay. I had to pick a career in ninth grade to research, and I chose anesthesiology. Not good at math. Make a lot of money.

Not good of math. Turns out if you mess up math and anesthesiology, people don't wake up, or they wake up too early. So let's get that one out of the way. I was an athlete. Career was cut short by lack of ability, but I... You see how that happens? Yeah, yeah. Oh, how cruel.

But I was helped a lot by a chiropractor, and so I basically just said, hey, I'm going to do this, researched it, just put my head down and went through school. Honestly, a pretty big stroke of luck, because I'm still doing it after ninth grade. I'm not doing how I thought I'd do it. I feel like I'm doing it better, hopefully. But yeah, so, you know, obviously I'm supportive family.

and friends and parents. I mean, parents obviously, I think for most people, a lot of people are the cornerstone. They definitely have been for me. And I, you know, did my now wife through chiropractic school. So I was down in chiropractic school with a girlfriend up here in Nebraska. So that kept me kind of laced down to the books and working out. So I was in good shape and learning a lot and not out causing havoc. So yeah. So getting it back here, you know, the clinic I joined, started by Spine and Sports Chiropractic was started by Kyle Schunkweiler, and I was the second person in, and he's been a great mentor and a good friend and a business partner now as I've become part of the practice. My wife teaches now here and down at Dome.

So, you know, I've been pretty blessed with everybody who has been so supportive of my continued push to be the best I can be and be of value to my patients and athletes and people in the community in general. Does it help you engaging with patients since you've gone through the, the athletic part of it. Like, you know what moves athletes. And we're stubborn. We're also, we're also products of sometimes bad information. So does it help you when it comes to dealing with athletes who come in the door and go, you know what, I got this problem and I need to get it fixed right now? Yeah, no doubt. My last resort is rest. I hate it. Half time, the athletes won't do it anyways, and I understand that. Especially in season, you have to kind of, you kind of got to limp along sometimes. You don't, you don't get to ship shape everybody up to where you want them to be.

You get some of the football players in the middle of a D1 season and like, man, you're just getting them to the next Saturday and they come hobbling in and hopefully they hobble out a little bit less, a little lighter on their feet. But, you know, and so I joke about not having athletic ability. I did run a lot after school. I've ever run up to 50 miles. So I, like, when you have like some goals in your head to do that, like I get the athletic mindset. And the nice thing is I can bump that into hey like you want to get better this is on you like i can't make you better athlete you make yourself better athletes so it goes both ways you know it's good because i can relate to where they're at because there's there's time you got to play head games with them um you got to meet them where they're at

because sometimes sometimes they need you to work on their bodies and sometimes they work on their minds you know and just kind of relate relate to where they're at make sure they know you've been there and then say hey you don't want to be here for too long so let's get you back here's what here's what i'm going to do for you here's what you're going to do for yourself together i have the brains to do it but you got the only body that can change this you said you got up to 50 miles. And the only thing the human in my brain said at once? Yeah.

Why? That's a good question. Why? So I got buddies that are crazier than me. No, you don't. Oh, yeah. So I'll give a shout out to Pete Costell. He has the Guinness Brooker World Records,

fastest run from San Francisco to New York. So I've worked with him for a while. He's now out of here. He ran 42 miles a day for 72 days. straight. Over the Sierra Nevada's, over the Rockies. I'm sorry. Why? What? He is a generational talent in ultra running. If you want to get into that, because that's what, that's what I really started my athletic thing. So I had to fix myself, right? But yeah, he's a, he's a wild man. He's an incredible human, uh, incredible runner. It's super

inspirational. But yeah. I don't even want to run to my mailbox. What do you? Yeah, and he's down the street. And he's running a hundred. Yeah. I know my other buddy here talking. me into it too. Kyle, he's a different Kyle than I work with. He's, he's kind of sneaky. And he's like, hey, you know, you should get in shape. Like, I think you should run 50. I'm like, yeah. He's like, yeah. I'm like, you're right. I don't know why. But he's got that personality. You're so convincing. Like, I'm not sure how you did this to me, but all of a sudden I'm, this is my whole goal in life. Like this dude is going to lead a cult one day. Like you can get people. Yeah. I don't do that. I should run 50 miles. You know what? Yes. It was a little longer winded than that.

Yeah. I need you guys in a text line to ask, seriously, if Dr. Adam asked you to run 50 miles, what would your reaction be? Because I don't think that there's many people in here that could say yes to it. You're not my friend anymore. I'm like, we're not going to talk to anymore at all. Here, evil. Oh, Dr. Adam Gensler, listen through all of this stuff, right? So you're, you're home. Are you a Husker fan? Are you a Husker fanatic?

Are you Husker indifferent? How would you describe yourself? Yeah, I'm a big fan. I grew up pretty much in Nebraska. Grandparents lived in out in central Nebraska. They laugh when we talk about going to games and stuff because they would drive down, go to a game, and drive back. They had season tickets for 50 years, right?

Like, I remember going, my grandpa, you know, plays go bad. He had a foam brick with an in on it. He throws the TV and I'd go get it, right? Like that's so, yeah, I mean, like you got a Husker bathroom. Yeah, I'm a big Husker fan. It's a, I feel like I'm reasonable. Like, I understand that they're 20-year-olds doing the best they can. I don't want to be judged by everything I did when I was 20.

How about that? Yeah. So, therefore, you know, I give them a lot of leeway. I think they all try their hardest. I don't think. That's why I have, like, absolutely no negativity towards the team, pretty much any of the time. What is your prediction for the season? What do you think? 12 games?

What do you think the record's going to be? I think we're better than eight games, eight and four. I'm going to put you, we're going to put Dr. Adam on the board. We're going to put them, we have a prediction board. All right. And everybody will be held accountable to it. Yeah. So we're kind of follow it.

I'm the only person who hasn't put a prediction up there because. Because he doesn't do that. He doesn't have to. He doesn't do predictions. That's his thing. Because I know better. That's his thing. Because I know better because it's the human factor in this thing.

When you came on fitness fanatics, I was immediately connected to it. And I said for what you do for people, like you talk about, you know, you wanted to be in anesthesiology, where I had an episode. where, and actually several episodes where having surgeries where the anesthesiologist looked at my stats and said, okay, this is what you need to put you under and be comfortable, except they're always wrong. They're always wrong. So I've had surgeries where, you know, I woke up in the middle of surgery.

I went, oh, cool, oh, look, they're doing surgery, they're operating on somebody's hand over there. That is amazing. but when they did when I had my spinal surgery they screwed it up they botched it so they were putting in the catheter and botched it right and my fear

was my spine and I had three ruptured disc a spinal fracture I had the like it was the works and to go through and have the spinal fusion finally you have to go through the mental space that I'm trusting somebody with my spine like my spine

and my spinal cord and then to wake up from it and not only being in a full brace but then having the catheter still attached and I tell people all the time there's a thing where you have to trust doctors at a level and in a place that not everybody gets comfortable

you're a chiropractor but in your specialty how do you get people to trust beyond what they may or may not heard about chiropractic. Like, how do you, what's your bridge to get people to trust you? Because that's literally how your business is going to be determined whether people will trust you with their spine.

Right. Yeah, no, that's a good point. I mean, like, especially athletes, right? You're talking about spine and stuff. I mean, like, your legs don't work without your spine. Your arms don't work without your spine. So, yeah, you know, the biggest thing is just like, I want to know your goals. Like, I want you to know that I care.

I think that's the biggest thing is just like letting people know that I care. And I truly do. Like, I mean, like, I, uh, it's not a facade. Like, I check in on all my patients as often as I can. Um, athletes, I'm probably a little easier to check on on athletes because their progress is a little more definitive of a hair, 80, 90% are you cutting, are you cutting both ways? Um, how's your ankle versus, you know, somebody, because I treat, you know, everybody, but, um, somebody that's like going back to work. It's like, have you had three headaches this week. Like, nobody wants me to check in on that. but um but uh you know letting them know i care and then doing a really thorough thorough workup of them i want their history i want to know like hey i want to know where you're at but i want to know where you've been um i need to know what surgeries you've had i need to know a lot about you i'd say at some point you don't want to leave me because you don't have to tell somebody all

this stuff again right like right um and then like you know do a really thorough uh thoroughly manual exam i want you to see what i see and explain the heck out of everything i want you to see hey like you should be able to get here, you're not getting here, that leads to this. So if you can kind of go back from where they're from, where they want to go, and I know that you care, that you can be the person to get there, or that if you're not the person, you're not going to take their money because I'm not that guy. There's no amount of money that's worth who I am as a person. They know you're not going to sit there and take their money and keep them coming back.

like my profession has traditionally kind of been known for, that I don't want you here, depend on me. I want you depend on yourself. So part of that is me putting it on you. It's like, you know, this is not all about me being your healers. This is about me being a smart brain that studies way too much about this stuff and is obsessed. They originally, I'm focused on the stuff,

but it's really I'm obsessed with success of my patients. What's the biggest question that, what's the most frequent question when people come meet you for the first time? How much this is going to cost? Yeah, well, what you want to know? Probably with athletes, it's, you know, like, how long is it going to take? To fix. Yeah.

Can I keep doing this? It's one of those two things. It's how long is this going to take until I'm back to playing? Or, you know, like, what do I need to do to fix this? What about the dad who just simply is having back troubles and wants to have peace of mind to go provide for his family? Yeah, so that's what my big focus is always there is like, I need to know why. I need to know your why. You know, people say like, yeah, it's hard on my back hurting during the day.

It's like, yeah, but why? Like, who cares about your day? Like, you know, do you want to get down on the floor with your kids? You want to be able to lift weights with your buddy. You got a fishing trip here coming up, and you don't think you can handle the car ride up to Canada or whatever. I think a lot of it comes back to the why. But most of the time, it's just, it comes down to like what's the most important thing in their life. and how you can show like, hey, like, this is the route, how we get you from where you're at.

And these are the objective things we need to get you to be able to do in office in order to accomplish and have a back that's not only like not hurting now, but shows us that it's going the right way that we've kind of fixed the reason it hurts in the first place, and it won't come back. So you don't have to come see me in two weeks, two months, whatever it is. I had a chiropractor when I was in Virginia. and the conversation was in order to fix what was wrong, you have to be humble. Humble.

There has to be something where you go, wow, that's not working the way it's supposed to, and I'm really afraid. I'm afraid, I'm a concern or otherwise. So you spend a lot of time in therapy business. As much as you talk about fixing, manipulating that sort of stuff, it really is about the mental part of it

to get people who really give them, really give themselves to you. Yeah, for sure. So there's a whole theory of medical care called biopsychosocial model. The interactions between the biology, your body, your social interactions with people around you and your environment around you, and then your

psychology of pain. And it's a big deal. And it's kind of funny because they call it pain science and anything that's pain science, I'm kind of question if it's really science at this point, right? Because it's not you have to call something science. It's like, I don't know. But yeah, and so one of the big things is fear avoidance, giving people a soft, a soft bottom of the barrel if they go down. So I'm not going to have somebody, you know,

just hurt their back and went through a horrible episode of like not being to lift their leg and stuff. I'm not going to send them home and say, hey, I want you to try to bend it over and pick another trash game. I'll give you a safe space to do that in, right? Like coach you through it, make sure you understand that like, hey, here's what's happening. I'm the expert.

If I'm not scared of it, you want to be scared of it? You're paying me to be your expert. You probably shouldn't be. If I'm telling you it's okay, then I'm probably not going to set you up for failure. What is your response to, and just even in the text line? We have jokesters and serious scientists on the text line, of course. Love it. It's like, well, and so what do you say to people when they ask that question that everybody asks?

Are chiropractors really doctors? Oh, yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I think I have enough debt to be a doctor. Yeah, right. I qualify it? No. Right. I think we are.

I paid them. I think it's different to, like, have the title of a doctor and act like. a doctor. I mean, there's bad doctors in every field. I think hard to imagine that. I've, you know, I've, I know orthopedic surgeon who I think certain ones that they have and worked with are just absolute hacks. Right. I think the same way in my profession. So I think, you know, I think we are. I think we have a specialty. I think it's different than what people, when you set the standard as a medical doctor, we probably don't look like that. Right. If you set a doctor as a level of knowledge about a certain.

You're a degreed, educated, informed. Yeah. And I think. I think we do fulfill that. And up to date, current. I'd hope so, yeah. Right? Like that new thing that happened where somebody will say, well, I heard about this thing. Right. And you have to go, okay, no.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. All the time. And like I would have to say that chiropraners get more of that than probably medical doctors because we tend to be a alternative, right? So you'll see people that like, you know, I'm having people that make their own tinctures and do this and do that. It's like, I can't.

I'm very evidence-based. I read a lot of research on a weekly basis. So there's a day I don't read a headline of a paper and decide if I want to read the abstract and then move on to the full paper, that would be a rare day. What would you say to the athlete? He was a former college athlete or high school athlete

and he's in his 30s, maybe 40s, and he goes and decides he's going to participate in a kickball tournament and pulls his hamstring. I've been there, man. When you hit 30, you're too old for kickball. Right. Last time you played kickball, you didn't know what Soreness was. Right.

And now you're not going to be able to walk straight for a week. I just, I mean, so much of this is the perceived idea is that professional college athletes delve into this pool a little more than the lay person. But I would ask you, what percentage of your business is just the average, everyday mom and dad, grandpa and grandpa who just want some piece? Yeah, it's probably 50-50. Yeah. Yeah, it's 50-50. I think what I'd like to do is switch it more towards youth athletes.

I think investing in your money when you're young, it builds up fat better. I think the same thing is with health if you start young and you don't put it off. I think it's good. And so with athletes, my passion's movement. Like, are you producing force the way you should? Are you moving the way you should? If you don't, and you have, you know, a quote, coach Dub, Keith Williams. And if you don't have energy leaks, then you're good.

But if you have energy leaks, that's where you blow out your ACL. That's how you hurt your back. whether it's a small one or big one, you can't control all the contact injuries, but you can control most of non-contact stuff. And so I treat a lot of people like me who I'd say are like ex-athletes, like ex-active athletes.

But I'd also argue that anybody that has a physical type of goal is an athlete at some level. I mean, grandparents who want to build lift their kid up to the top of the tree, like that commercial, put the star on. Right. You seen that one? Yep.

Yeah. Like that, I mean, he's an athlete. He's working. I mean, not an athlete. in the traditional sense, but if you have physical goal, then you want to move well, then that's, that's kind of my thing. From the Sardomerexon, Harold Spheres says, or asks, does chiropractic help with people that have early onset arthritis?

Yeah, 100%. So arthritis, I would say, is a poor movement strategy, and so you started to affect the bones. So movement, bones and joints are passive. They don't move themselves. Muscles move them. So muscle problem. Muscles are told by the brain what to do.

The strategies you use to move are your own. There's probably an ideal. But I don't think anybody's ever going to be ideal, but I think you can move people towards a healthier, a healthier thing. So if you look at arthritis as an overuse of a joint. How repetition is? Yeah, and like, yeah, but like, I mean, yeah, yes.

And it doesn't have to be on one part of the joint. It could be in one aspect of the joint typically is what you'll see. And so getting somebody to move better. I would say arthritis is a symptom of poor movement. And then the pain is a symptom of that too. So the pain and the arthritis are they caused by each other? Yeah, a lot of times they are. But sometimes, you know, you'll have pain before you have arthritis,

which tells you you're probably moving. The pain's a symptom. And then you just ignore it, ignore it, ignore it, ignore it, become used to it. What about, so what about it in, like, let's take RICO, for example, former collegiate hurdler, seven, eight years past his prime. Yeah, I hate to say that to you, but, you know, it's there. it's like six five years six yeah seven or eight don't but but being able to help him perform better

at the thing that he loves yeah can you help an athlete who doesn't necessarily have pain but he just needs help with movement and direction yeah that is number one what i do okay that is what i do the most of um now most people will find me after pain because i'm a car factory i'm a doctor um but i really span the whole gap between what I believe exists between rehab and performance. Just because you don't have pain does not mean you're moving well. It doesn't mean you're maxing out your potential of creating strength because you have to have the right strategies to do that. I mean, you look at the way people squat. Everybody squats a little bit different. There is a better way to squat. Like we have to match up to what you can do with your body. But yeah, I mean, if you're a hurdler, you have a lead

leg and you have a trail leg. One needs a lot of flexion. One needs a lot of extension. Your pelvis has to go opposite directions and twist. Do you ever switch legs just for fun? No. No. So you're going to be compensated to one thing. And if you don't have that one thing, which you're already going to be leaning that way, then like, why would I ever try to like, your movement's going to be different than somebody

who's doing a high jump? It has to be. So I'm going to look at you completely different. Like your starting point and your any point's going to be very different. And so you're going to need very different things because when you're pushing off that trail leg, that trail leg, it's going to act different than the lead leg. And so your pelvis has to be able to do different things. And if I make you symmetrical, you're going to make you worse.

So I have to understand what the goal is. Otherwise, if I just look at you and I didn't know what your goal was, I might try to make you symmetrical and kill your career. It's going to be fantastic to watch. I'll ask you this. You mentioned youth sports and high school athletes. Can you help them? So let's say somebody comes to you and says, hey, I'm a pitcher.

And I'd like to be more explosive. Can you work with him on his form, his movements, to help him be better at what he wants to do? Yeah, yep. So there's a lot that goes into a violent move like pitching. You got to have a lot of range of motion, and you've got to control it after you let go to the ball, right? You're generating power from the ground up. So you have to go all the way through the hips.

You have to be able to transfer that force through muscles and fascia and bones up and across your body to that pitching arm, whatever is left or right. Your rib cage has to move. If you don't, then you'll start to go other places. So Tommy John, everybody knows Tommy John. or the inside, the ligament on the inside of your elbow. You'll typically, you can trace that up and you'll find stuff in the shoulder almost always and the rib cage because if I have to build up a pitcher, your spine better be able to move well because your rib cage has to move well too because you're changing shape of your rib cage.

Your shoulder blade sits on that. Your upper arm sits on the shoulder blade and you get all the way down the elbow. I mean, it's a kinetic chain. And so the whole energy thing, if one of those things components is not working right, it's got to go somewhere. You're creating a lot of force. So I've seen a real quick story I had a pitcher who came in

when I was down in St. Louis when I was in school still and this is kind of a light bulb moment for me he came in and he didn't have any pain but he lost like five to ten off his fastball That's exactly what I was thinking And I'm sitting here looking at him And I'm just running through everything

I mean I took I was so late to class that day I ran through everything And the last thing I found was It's supposed to the first session after the first couple failed sessions, his lead foot was locked up, like just didn't move at all.

And so, you know, I was a lot younger then, and so I made it pop. I made a move. And it came back. He just, he could not transmit force over that foot effectively. So it basically was a road bump.

And he would just hit it and he'd have a hitch and go over it. Now, I don't watch enough pitchers live to be able to see that stuff live. I mean, but I can see movement. Right. So my goal is to free up all, your motion and you can go to whoever makes you the best pitcher or the best hurdler or the best squatter

whatever it is so sports chiropractic could be its own thing its own specialty its own focus yeah and there's specialty um degrees and uh certifications and stuff you can get um but i don't know those look on the outside but we could say i mean but you could in fact change lives training folks in movement 100% right so i mean if it's whether it's a lineman office on lineman you got a 200 50-pound kid at home who wants to be more explosive and be safe. You can have a basketball player who, quite frankly, can't rotate his hips and he's having difficulty getting in his space. You can actually help them with that.

Yep, absolutely. That is like my number one goal is give your kid the best chance to hit their potential. I can't turn a D2 into a D1 if that's where they're going to end up, but I can give them a D2 chance at being a D2 athlete if they have physical limitations that they should not have, whether it's learned or born with. It's maximizing. It's a simple thing. I'm getting excited at just the thought of it.

Dr. Let them know how they can find you and how they can reach out to you. Yeah, so office is spine and sports chiropractic on 70th and Pioneers. Phone number 402, 261, 61841. I'm occasionally on Instagram. I spend most of my time, free time with my kid and my wife or reading on this stuff. So my wife always tells me my Instagram looks more like I work a lot and don't Instagram a lot, which would be 100% accurate. But they can reach out to you there.

So move. All out. Happy to take a DM and converse with this. Email is Dr. Adam atspineinsports.us. I love talking about stuff. I'm not going to treat you for free. I'm not going to give you a bunch of advice over the email, but I'm happy to start a conversation and see if this is right for you.

We want to get them in front of you, which is the most important thing. Yeah, I appreciate it. All right, man. Well, look, we'll do this again because there's so many things that are going to happen throughout the season that you could be able to help us with information. I love to do it. I'd love to do it. Dr. Adam Gensler.

Thank you very much for what you do. Appreciate it. We'll throw the break. We'll close out one-on-one when we come back. Watch live on Facebook, YouTube, or Twitch. You're listening to One-on-One-on-One with DP on 93-7 The Ticket and The Ticketfm.com.