1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - Evric Gray (Former UNLV & NBA Player) - June 11th, 2024

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

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It's time to go one-on-one with DP. Coming at you live from the couple Chevrolet GMC Studios. Here is your host, Derek Pearson. Brought you by Mary Ellen's Food for the Soul on 937 The Ticket and the Ticketfm.com. Happy Tuesday, and I hope you are well wherever you are. 402, 464, 566885 is the start of Hammer Text Line. if you want to be a part of what we're doing. Tonight is an interesting opportunity, one, to bring back an old friend and have a conversation that today is needed because I want to jump into several different pools that he has some insight to and some connection to.

So let's do the thing. There is a proper introduction for this gentleman. Harrison, if you would please. here's a guy that gives them more depth at UNLV, Everett Gray. He brings nine points off the bench for Coach Tarkhanian in less than 20 minutes of playing a game. Here he'll have a chance. Oh, as he goes up for the dump, Miller takes a piece of the arm.

Two, two on Miller now. Team foul number five. Here's another basketball player with a baseball background. He was a third round pick of the Astros. and 87 was Everett Gray. Let's bring him on the L.O.V.IP line, Everett Gray. Mr. Gray, what's happening, bro? It's been a long time, Mr. D.P.

Mr. D.P. You have never said those words together. Yeah, I know, right, but I had to. Slightly uncomfortable. It was like, wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hey, man, how are you doing, bro? What's happening? I am busy, man. I know you and I was supposed to hook up a few times and, you know, with the volleyball stuff.

And it's just been super busy with our club stuff, DP, with having this new Nike deal. And then being in two different states at the same time, you know, and it was just super busy for us this spring and summer. But it's good to catch up with you. Well, we wanted to be pretty regular because I know even with your busyness that we can find time in a week and do this as part of having one-on-one where I can do these interviews whenever I want and go live with it. So there's benefit. First of all, the sad news today about Steve Clowkey passing. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough one.

And, you know, D.P. is a good dude. I got to know them a little bit, you know, a lot working with the Larry Miller group. You know, I used to do some private security for those, for that family. And, you know, I actually go to ball games because, you know, the AAA team here. And I think your listeners don't know, but the AAA team in Salt Lake is the Anaheim team. So I had to be around some guys sometimes like Mike Trout and something like that. but you get to, you get to, you know, you get to hang out with Plowkey, and it's sad that he passed away, you know, and the rumor, you know, they say he got hit by a car, but, you know, it is what it is. We'll see what happens, but he's gone, but he was a good dude. He was good to me.

Yeah, he was, I mean, in the space that we were, we were in a 1320K fan. He was there and established when we got there. He was an afternoon guy. when we came into the building. And he was one of those ones that not only welcomed me and to us, but that he would whisper those absolute truths, right? Those things that, hey, man, if it gets tough, get through it, it'll be worth it. If somebody gives you a hard time, get through it, you're good. He would actually poke his head into our Saturday morning shows and just add compliment.

So losing him, Weber States, sad today, the Salt Lake Bs and the Anaheim organization are sad today, losing Klaukey. He was just a good dude in this business. And he got to live how he wanted, man. That's an important thing. We'll miss him, but my goodness, he was a good dude. On that note, through a lot of what we've been through over the course of decades, like sports tends to. to separate. And we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we're having different conversations now. And as the games evolve, I want to be clear in that there is a, there's some historical

context to all of it. You being in your time at UNLV and you've told as many things as you can tell and feel safe. Yeah. Without telling too much. But here's the thing that, that, that leads to me. was UNLV's successful run? Was that a talent thing, a coaching thing, a development thing, a chemistry thing? What made UNLV capable of having the run that they got putting together, the talent they put together? It's a, it's a, it's a big, it's a big, it's a big deal with, it starts with, um,

With Coach Tark giving people's second chances, DP, so the people he looked at and recruited, there were talented kids, but there was some baggage with it, too. Not all of it. So he looked at the good in everyone. And if you were, if you were loyal to him, he will be loyal to you and your family. So it was a big family effort in that situation with his assistant coaches

and even the people down to the secretaries. The crazy part, DP, is a lot of even the secretaries are living off tark. I was in Dallas for a couple weeks ago with my daughter playing with Team Canada. and I reached out and our secretary is working for the Minnesota Timberwolves now she gave us some tickets we gave Alexa some tickets

to go to the game it's just a big family thing so the thing is that all the people you know it's weird that you know this big there's going to be a big show coming out with this Kings of Vegas

with you know Larry is producing it about about about the time that he was there. Obviously, I was there with him. And this is the first time. Someone and everybody, anyone's speaking about this. So

it was just loyal. It was just, people were just great. It was a family environment. We were really close. Even though we did some stuff. We fought. We got a lot of fights, some gunplay.

Gilbert Arenas before, we were in Gilber Arenas before Crittenden in Gilmore arenas, but we never took it over that. And I've never really told you that some of those stories because, you know, I can't really get into it. But it's been some situations where, you know, family fights sometimes. And, well, it never crossed where it got too crazy.

But I think it was all of that coaching, environment, just closeness, family, because most of those guys that was there were on second chances. So that's all we got really close. We're talking to Evergrey, of course, with UNLV and the NBA and now as a coach and leader. A lot of your conversations end up in the Coach Tarkhanian conversation. What was it about Coach Tark that made him special? He didn't really yell that much, D.P. You and I talked about that.

I think he yelled at me two times in three years because the one year they forced him out. I'd have to play for Raleigh Massimino my senior year. But he was just, he got his point across. It's either you run it or you don't. If you don't play defense, you won't play. And he made that up front. And the communication was short but sweet. That's kind of the way I coach a little bit.

I don't want to hear my bads. He hated my bads because my bad started like in the early 90s. And he used to always say like my bad, he'd be like, I know, I saw it. And I say it to this day. So we're not into my bads, but he was just a great coach. And he, the people he recruited, like I said before, was second chance guys. So whatever you did, you don't run through a wall for the guy.

And that was the cool thing about him, that he didn't really yell that much. he just he kind of got after us a little bit in practice but in game time he never really yelled because he just wanted to sit back and watch us play because we prepared so well before any game and especially in practice

we prepared and shoot around our shoot around practices DP was like a full on practice and so we got ready that way too so the chemistry with him just by coaching us a certain way. He never deviated from that, and that's the thing I respect from him. And I take that with me when I coach my kids.

You mentioned Coach Massimino. So to go from one grade to, and depends on who you ask, right, that Massimino is another great. What did the two have in common? What were the similarities between Coach Tark and Coach Massimino? Nothing. Nothing. It was absolutely nothing. Let me give you a story. I never told you this story.

All right. So Matt gets there. He actually meets with me. And he goes, How do I succeed here at UNLV? I said, hey, don't get into it with the media. P.S. Back then, D.P., we were the only show in town. Now you have hockey, baseball.

You're going to get baseball, aces, the Raiders, you got a soccer. You got everything there. But we were the only show in town. at the time. We were the NBA, everything. In the first week, he got into it. I was like, dude, what are you doing?

I actually said that. I said, what did he? Why did he like him? I'm like, I don't care. You just can't get into the beat writers. You can't do that. So the difference and the other difference was study hall. I'm going to put it out there.

I never told you this story. So the first week he gets a hey, we've got a study hall. And me, J.R. and a few other guys was like, what is that? and they were like, well, you never had study hall here? It was like, no, we never had anybody ineligible. Why do we need to have study all? So basically study hall at UNOV

my senior year with Massimino was watching Rap City on MTV. And we did it. We were watching, and it was a true story. We just go in there for an hour and watch Rap City. I mean, some people will study a little bit, but the thing is that we was the only show in town, we're going to be eligible. Let's just put it that way.

Oh, man. Why am I? See, this is what's funny. And listen, in full disclosure, I mean, everyone I've known each other forever. And we've told each other's stories. And it's constant. I'm constantly amused that there are stories that never come to fruition. We never get these stories.

But to think about this, that in that space with, you were the, you're right, you were bigger than the NBA. But UNLV during that run, you were as big as any team could be. You traveled like rock stars. You live like rock stars. What were some, if I asked you to describe some of the perks of being at UNLV, what would you say? You know, here's a deal, though, as, you know, people come up with these podcasts and I just, we've been sitting around telling stories. I was like, I need to tell these stories.

Yeah. Because it's hilarious. It's funny, too. Traveling with that team and the popularity and, you know, Gucci Roe and celebrities and, you know, you did Tupac. And I've been around so many people from Tupac to Donald Trump back in the day. Yep. Because Donald was in Vegas and he was, it's just, you wouldn't know, when you went to practice DEP, you wouldn't know who's going to show up. Yeah.

You never know who's going to be there. I think I told you the story. I don't know if I told your listeners. You know, playing pickup with Mike Tyson was the worst thing ever. Because he misses a shot. He called foul. Nobody will argue with him. I'm like, Mike.

He's on the file. He's like, that was a file. I'm like, okay, what do you say to Mike? He was the guy. But he was a big UNLV fan. It was, I can't believe we haven't really done at 30 for 30 for all the celebrities. That was just there. I think I mean, I told some of your listeners, you just, like I said, you never show, you know, Tark was so a big fixture.

And even in hip-hop and the black culture, we'll get on the bus. And I think I told you, dude, we got on the bus one day for a shoot-around. We were back east plan, Michigan State, and Walter Payton was on the bus. And, you know, you grow up, you know, I don't know if y'all, you know, in inner city, L.A., we used to play throw-up tackle. We used to fight over who's going to be Walter Payton. Yep. You know. So he's on the bus hanging out with us, and then we end up going to his club after,

and that was hilarious. Can't get into that, really. But it was, you just never know who's going to be there. And then some of these celebrities used to, he does in jail now. Like Bill Cotton used to be at our practice all the time, and, you know, and he was friends with Tark. And it's just, it was just a great time. And, you know, the thing is that DP, it was a few people wanted me to write a book years ago.

And I just told him, like, you're going to start my car every morning. I'll write any book you want. But I had to explain to people, no one's really wrote a book. If you've got to look at it, nobody's wrote a book about our era, or even TARC's era, back when he first got there. Because there are some people that's still alive and you had to look over your shoulder. but and that's how it was a little bit at Vegas, but it was a great time and you just never know who was going to be at practice

or on the bus or at our games. Yeah, I I'm going to ask you to quickly rattle, give me five more names of people who went to your practices because I've heard some of them. Right. Obviously Mike Tyson, one of my favorite

boxers ever, Tommy Hernes was there all the time. Whoopi Goldberg. Muhammad Ali M.C. Hammer. You just, you know, it's, some people you probably know, Steve Wynn, well, obviously was one of our boosters. Was there, like I said, Bill Cosby.

It was just a who's who. You know, I really hung out with a lot was Boomer Assyacist. I know that name was like crazy, but he dated one of our cheerleaders at UNLV. And he was a big fan. And if you know our cheerleaders back then, they were more popular than us. Yes, they, yes, they were. Yes, well, you just made the statement that half the people you named were probably dating ULV cheerleaders.

Yeah, it was, it was good times, you name it. One of these days off airs, I'll tell you, the Sikh Friedman Roy situation. Oh, man. It was hilarious. But it was just, you know, anybody. that was a celebrity. I met Red Fox. That was,

here's a deal with D.P. I didn't tell you this story. So whenever recruits coming in town, at the Hacienda, that's where Red Fox used to be at, which is Mandalay Bay now. They blew up to Hacienda and put Mandelae Bay there.

But Tark be like, hey, I need you to, I need you to take this kid out this weekend, and this is what you're doing, and you're going to go hang out with Red Fox. So I got an opportunity to hang out out with Red Fox a lot.

And when you grow up watching Sanforda's son, and he's right there with, you know, right next to me talking and, you know, we're sipping on something together. And it was good times. It was just, GP, I, the thing is that I, all these stories, because all of my travels, D.P. Sorry, hopefully I'm not holding you up on your, hope you not up against it.

But it's just, some of these stories I need to tell because it's so many stories with, with the time I was there. But meeting Red Fox and hanging out with Tommy Morrison one night. That was hilarious. It's just, it was just, all these stories have come back to me and I just need these stories to be triggered.

If you trigger something, I can just remember the stories. And it's hilarious. Every Tuesday night. Every Tuesday night with Evergrey. We're going to do that. We're going to do. Hey, we'll throw it back. We'll come back.

Some of the things you just talked about trigger today's conversation about NIL and opportunities. And I want to go back. Before we go forward, I want to go back to what could have been done. And then kind of the things that are in play for student athletes as this sports thing, sports business, collegiate sports business evolves. DP, every gray here on one-on-one. One-on-one with DP, sponsored by Mary Ellen's Food for the Soul on 90. 37 the ticket and the ticket

FM.com. Welcome back to one-on-one on a Tuesday weeknight on the yellow VIP line is Everick Gray, UNLV and the NBA and as we're talking about it. There are perks in the great programs

historically. So we know that there's some advantage some reason why you would choose UNLV, why Georgetown was a thing, why North Carolina was a thing, how Georgia is the thing now, Duke basketball, etc. But with the change in NIL and the student athletes being able and one,

now they're talking about, well, they'll be paid by the university. Let me ask you, I mean, you send a lot of players to the next level. And a lot of the conversation, you said that you want your players to pick a place where they're going to play. Right. And that on the priority list that you're going to play should be higher on the list. But I'll ask you, what are the two most important things your young people talk about when it comes to recruiting and being recruited and what they want to get from? Well, like you just said, just the plan time and planned because the thing is that, so DP, I had about six kids in the portal. They probably made about a million.

All six of them signed with different. schools, they've probably made about $700,000. Right. With about six kids. Because the going rate is, you know, most of my kids are big, so they can shoot and play the right way. So the most for the bigs are about $100,000. But when it comes down to it, it doesn't really, if you get playing time and you, if you

average around eight points and five rebounds, you can move on to another school and make more money. It's hilarious what these kids are making and what the kids and you know, I don't want anything to make. I just want my kids to be happy. But when they're throwing this money around, it's like that. That's just the way it is. Just this is until the NCAA figure out the next step on how they're going to figure this out, I don't think that.

I think they made a decision and they didn't really think about it. But like I said, I had about six years. seven kids in the portal this year, DP, and they probably made about all of them, all combined and made about $600,000. So, plan time, translate

to getting more money because you can just transfer anytime you want, whoever wants to pay you the most. So I got guys as, you got to realize now, DP, it's down to Jukos now. You get NIL money in Jukos.

So I'm happy for my kids. but this is how it is. I wouldn't want to be, I wouldn't mind being a college coach, but until they figure this out, it's got to be structural for these high, these college coaches DEP because they have to recruit their own players every year. I've heard that kids want to hop in the portal,

even in like November, December, when they know they're not going to start, or are they going to be the six-man, or they plan time, if not where it needs to be, and this is where we're at. It's like the Wild Wild West. So it's just going to be,

very interesting in the next couple years, how this is going to play out. Obviously, we know DP, all these schools make tons of money. I bet you just one section in Nebraska, because, you know, back in the day, it's, oh, you get a free education. Yeah, one section at Nebraska's football stadium pays for those guys.

Their education. So don't tell me that it's all about, you know, getting to education and the schools are not making the money, and I think Nebraska's been, they sold out every game in football for the last, I don't even know since I was probably in high school. So, but there's a lot of money to be made.

And I think these kids are starting to figure it out, D.P. So for the record, Nebraska's been sold out since 1962. I wouldn't even, I was just a thought. Yeah, they hold the record. And here's the thing, the beauty of it, I mean, that phrase, well, you're getting an education and went, boy, stop repeating what somebody else told you. That is not really a thing.

But here's the, I'm going to ask you to put your coaches and your GM hat on for, let's say, a Power 5 conference team. And if you were building a team that you wanted to win the conference, so let's just say the Mountain West Conference, you're at UNLV and you want to build a team that wins the conference title. how much are you going to have to pay per player?

Let's start with the starting five, right? That if you want to be good enough, that your center, you need a legitimate big. Right. How much is that going to cost? So in your collectives, I think to be competitive, you need anywhere from $5 to $7 million. Okay.

My pick. Okay. So your starting five needs to take at least a million of the seven. Okay. You can build, then you can build your, your bench with, you know, 100 here, 80, 75 there. So you're big, those top five guys got to be making close to $6,000, $700,000, maybe a mill, maybe one of those five-star kids that you can, you can grab back that was at Bishop Gorman, that wouldn't play somewhere else who wanted to come back and play.

You're going to have to pay that guy. So you're starting five, pretty much they got to be making close to a million dollars. And then you can throw in, you know, the seven to six, making those like 150, 200, and you can go from there. That's the only way you can probably get away with it. And that's what I heard, the going rate. There are some kids here that was making a lot of money at the University of Utah, D.P. Yeah. And they was making anywhere from five to six.

and he left, one of them left, two of them left. Yeah, yeah. So the little point guard with the St. John's, and I know what he was making. And I'm pretty sure Retino gave him a little bit more than what he was making here. Davion,

Daveon. But roughly, D, I don't know if I got off the subject a little bit, but you better have at least anywhere from five to seven to be competitive. And most of the Blue Bloods, they have that type of money. But, you know, if you want to be competitive, you're going to have to, you're going to have to pay a little bit.

And you're collective, you need to be anywhere from five to seven. Is that number so high because there's, there's 12 players that you need to create money for? It's a, it's a tighter pool of trying to find elite players. No, DP, you know, DP, no, you know, you said 12. You just need eight. The other 12 is like, they're happy to get education. are happy to be apart. You need eight solid.

And then the other four can be developmental. Like I got a 6-11 kid from England. He's got to go to a Juco, but he could have made 100. But most of the schools want to redshirt him and getting ready because they want about two kids DP at the end of the bench where they can develop and try to keep them, raise their NIL every year to try to keep them. Because, you know, coaches don't have to really recruit that much high school kids anymore.

and they just go up in the portal and recruit people. And the kids that's already been developed and worked out and lift is just getting them to buy into your system. But a lot of the back end of your roster, those are high school kids. So it's going to be hard to keep them. If we said that BYU, Utah, right, good programs, consistent programs, not great, right? They're not going to the elite eight. they're not, that's not what they're doing. Right.

But they'll be in the top 20 several times. They'll bounce around that. They'll produce some players. If you told me that that, that each of the starters for BYU received half a million and, and the second five received $250. Are you building a different kind of depth? Does that give you a better roster than front inning five guys at a million and then a bunch of guys around? 150 because that gap would show up and it wouldn't take Kentucky long Kentucky and Duke long to figure that out and shoot those numbers through the sky.

Well, you know, DPU, you lived here a little bit. You know, the church is ain't no punk. Right. But the problem is, it's not a problem. It's like it's not the money part is not coming from the church anymore. It's coming from someone else. And you know who I'm talking about. Right.

And so it's just like, can it be competitive? I think BYU can be competitive to a certain extent. I think the new coach they got is he knows what the hell he's doing, D.P. He's a good coach. And he's making a lot of money and I know who paid him. But the thing is that can they be competitive? Yeah. I mean, like just if you see the NCAA, I can't wait for the next couple of years,

the NCAA, because you're going to just not have, not to me, blue. Blue Bloods made it to the Final Four this year. Obviously, is Connecticut of Blue Blood? In basketball, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I get it. I mean, they got a great, great run. I mean, Curley's doing a great job. But he's the only one that was in the Final Four, D.P.

So it's going to continue to be that way. I'm waiting for the time where it's going to be Creighton, Wisconsin, and, you know, UC Chattanooga. and Sanford in the final four because they got somebody that has some money and they're going to get about seven to eight guys together. But that's just how college basketball is going.

And, you know, the sad part, too, deep. I grew up a Pac-10, Pack-8 fan, and it's not there anymore. All my boys in L.A., I'm like, what are we going to do? I don't want to go watch Wisconsin or whoever in the Big Ten or whatever at the ACC. It's just a sad part.

And I think NIL is part of this deal where the schools are making these decisions on this NIL and players and money. And I just can't believe we don't have the Pact 12 anymore. That just drives me nuts to DIPP. You're not alone in that. Ev, we're going to throw the break. Well, come back. I want to talk about your family. I want to talk about your daughters and give them some shout out as well.

Greatly appreciate you. He is Evergrey. I'm D.P. We'll be right back to one-on-one. You're listening to One-on-one with D-P. Sponsored by Mary Ellen's Food for the Soul on 93-7, The Ticket and The Ticketfm.com. Final segment of the hour, I'm greatly appreciative of Evergrey, dropping knowledge and coming in and hanging out with me.

I'm going to bug you again next Tuesday. I'm just going to let you know in advance. That's okay. We got lots to talk about. Tell me about these two. fantastic daughters of yours and what's going on. First of all, let's talk about Alexis, Alexa, please. So Alexa, so I was in Dallas at the VIL qualifier for the Olympics.

So they need, they're in ninth. They need to finish in ninth, Team Canada. So I don't know if your viewers know. I have two daughters and obviously their mom is no longer with us. but one was born in Las Vegas, the other one was born in Calgary. So that's where I have one kid that played in the – she was in the last Olympics in Japan with a rugby team, and they came in fifth, and she's great. And then Alexis trying to qualify – Alexa is trying to qualify for Team Canada to go to the Paris Olympics,

and obviously DP, you know, I'll be there. and they just took one on the chin by Italy. Yeah, that was tough. This morning. Yeah, Italy is really good. They're a third or fourth best team in the world. But these next three is very important. So Alexa is trying to qualify for the Olympics.

And, you know, D.P. I always tell. And your listeners, you want your kids to be better than you. And my kids are way better than me. I was a pretty good athlete. But I think my two beautiful daughters. are the coolest two chicks in the world. And I think, I mean, I hope that they can play well against Japan tomorrow, and then they have the Netherlands,

and hopefully she can qualify for the Olympics. And I can have two kids that qualify for the Olympics and played in Olympics that would be the coolest thing ever. Yeah, and let's not bear the fact. I mean, again, I don't know any. parents have Olympians in two countries in two different sports. Same mom and same dad. Like, yeah, man, like, wait a minute.

I mean, you produced one of the best volleyball players in the world and one of the best rugby players. Yeah, you did okay, dad. Right. How is Jordan? You know, you know, I just like, oh, they get it from their mom. Yeah. And, you know, Jordan just retired.

And she had a baby. And my baby, my granddaughter, Salon. is like she's going to be the next. Hopefully we can get her to figure out what sports she's going to play, but she's only nine months, and I'm already, I'm already training her a little bit, D.P., but, you know, I'm happy for,

she played really well in Dallas, and I don't know if your listeners know, she signed a two-year deal and back to be back in Turkey, and DP then never drive in Turkey. I don't know if you've ever been to Istanbul. It is terrible. Well, I was trying to whisper and tell you to convince us take a little less money and come play for the supernovas. Yeah, we actually talked about that.

And we actually, she thought about it, D.P. I'm going to even, I mean, I know. You tell her Uncle D.P. said, I got you. I got you. We talked. No, D.P., we talked. But the thing is that, you know, the backstory a little bit when, um, uh, uh, The team she plays for is the second best team in Turkey.

So they lost in the finals to Finnebachi. And some of your listeners are big. Nebraska is a big volleyball state. So it's just it's the money. And you just can't always tell my kids, you can't go back and get it. You got to get it where you can. And that's where we're at.

Well, just, you know, again, we plant seeds that when she's ready to come home. So dad can watch her every night and follow her. and she can eat, sleep in her own bed and eat her own food and take care of that. Guess what? We'll be here, Supernova's just tell her to make the phone call and we'll make it happen, Captain. Well, she already knows, D.P. She knows, but it's just, it was a two-year deal, too. So it's just tough.

2026, baby. We'll make sure that we're having that discussion. Hey, who are you? Tell me about this thing. Mavericks win game three or no? Yeah, I mean, you know, Jason and I are pretty, Jason kids, a friend of mine and the other, it's a couple of other assistant coaches on their, and they're under Dill. And, you know, the thing is that, will the Mavericks win this next game?

I don't know if Prozine is going to play or not. I don't know, he's the, he's the thin man, but the thing is that, and you can hear it in Lucas, interviews, D.P. He has to all of the guard, because their whole start in five can play. They can drop. Anyone can drop 20 to 25. Even Al Horford, if you leave them out there and let him continue

to shoot three, he'll definitely do that. So, I mean, hopefully Dallas can figure it out. They need a third score. Tyree obviously has to play better. He knows that. He mentioned it today and the presser. But they need a third score and they need to figure it out real quick.

I tell people, look, don't forget that it's just to get Boston did exactly what they were supposed to do, which was when two games at home. The series starts in game three. That's when you find out either it's over or it's not. And that's how it works. And listen, Luca at home is a different beast. Kyrie at home is a different beast.

You know, take a deep breath. Let me know how we get when we get to game four. Hey, listen, we'll do it again next Tuesday. Every great. You know, I'm a fan. I'm proud to call you friends. and I appreciate you making time for us at the ticket, man. Appreciate you, bro.

There ain't no problem. We've got to talk about Caitlin next week. Yeah, we'll get all about it, bro. Put it on the books. That's every gray here on one-on-one. I appreciate your brother. Don't go on anymore. More ticket weeknights coming up on 93-7, the ticket.