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Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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There is a little bit of breaking news, if you will. And we're going to get this. That's why you're here. That's why you are here. This is why you get the big bucks. Bach. do it. All right.

Malcolm Hardsog will plans on entering the transfer portal. Of course, he got the game winning reception against Cincinnati but was injured throughout much of the season after that. But what an incredible Husker career. So obviously I want to be the first to wish him the best. But yeah, plans on

finishing his career looks like elsewhere. It is going to be constant ebb and flow. We know that. We know that. Right? We know that. And I think I was listening to AD and Nick have the conversation. Of course, I was trying to get some understanding of what the temperature in the room was. And I think for me, it's, it's,

I think it's an interesting time in that I don't want to always be the one to say that this is a negative, that everything about the transfer portal is bad. What we know is conditions will work the scale, and it could lean one way or the other, and then ultimately the ideal is balance. So from either extreme on a scale, right, absolute to one side of the scale, to the absolute of the other side of the scale, balance is required. Like, that's a part of our humanity is that balance is required. And we jokingly call it the third, right? That there's the extreme to this side, the extreme to the other side, and then somewhere in the middle is the landing spot in the sweet spot.

And that if anything becomes too much about, one thing or one way that ultimately it will affect the other 67% and they will it the vacuum will adjust that's what happened for 100 plus years the scale the financial scale and the advantages and perks of college athletics swung entirely in one direction for one group of people and the other group you just add a lot you just add a lot got scholarships right that was the idea. Well, the idea is that you, money was to be made. Let's be clear. You and I had the conversation yesterday that the reason why college athlete, why athletics exist on all of these campuses is that money can be made. Yeah, helps the university. Right. It helps somebody,

right? And that if it provides opportunity, right, to tie a brand into people, then ultimately the value of those people to the brand becomes known, right? That's why you recruit. That's why you go out, you leave your space and take your brand and you take it all over the country to try to get people to let their talent be utilized under your brand. And the problem happened in that the people start to recognize, the talent start to recognize, wait a minute, I have value. I have value. And I should reap some benefit from it. And they said, okay, yeah, you deserve some benefit. In the form of scholarship and tuition, etc. They said, okay, you deserve some benefit. And it'll change your situation and circumstance. But then all the while, that talent identifies that, yes,

you've given me bread, but bro, there's no meat. There's no meat. And I am grateful for the bread, but there's no meat. And you say, okay, I've got to give you meat because I need you strong. I need you well. And then you realize that, well, wait, where's, where's, what am I to wash this down with? Nutritionally, don't I need something other than just meat, other than protein? Right?

Because that's what science says. And then it swings and then towards the middle. Towards the middle is balance that the people in positions of power and the people who are in it for money then have to acknowledge that other people are allowed to be in it for money as well. And whatever ownership receives in money, it is greater than what it's willing to pay its talent. That's the nature of the beast. And you can say, well, the players are being paid too much. Well, that might mean that the owners are making too much.

Well, they take all the financial risk. Not really. The athletes have physical risk. And they have the ability to not take that risk or to take their talents to showcase those talents somewhere else. Because other people want that talent. Well, I don't want to pay you for what. Bach, you and I know that you have a pretty good idea of what your value system is, what you want to do the thing that we ask you to do every day.

I also know that that value has increased and gone higher over the five years that I've known you. Right? Right. Right? And I wanted that for you. And I don't have any venom about it. It's, you know what? Bach through his loyalty, through his work, through his preparation,

through his delivery, his consistency. You know what? He deserves more. He deserves a bigger piece of the pie. And then I realized that you're going to help me do what I do and you'll take some of the burden off because you're more relaxed and comfortable. You're getting value. And your value is appreciated.

We cannot say that, Bach, you are a worker at the ticket forever, simply because I want you to be here. That's not how it works. I have to allow, hey, Bach. I have to treat you, right? Right? I have to acknowledge you, give you praise, pay you your worth, add some perks and benefits. You know what? I don't want you to buy lunch. I don't give you some tickets, some events, right? But I still know that at any point you can call me and say, hey, you know what, somebody's willing to pay me more. And I can't be upset at that. Because then I just have to answer the question. Well, is, you know, is he worth it? Is that money available? But I work in fairness. Not everybody works in fairness. Not all bosses work in fairness.

not all coaches work in fairness i can tell you having been in those rooms amen if you think that all the all college coaches are really looking out for their players no no sir they're getting rich off those players really rich really rich and then it became it wasn't a problem right because the coaches were making more the coaches are never making what the owners are making the coaches are never going to make what the owners make. The owners are always making more. That's well they should. That's the business, the operation of it all, right?

That's the way it works, right? And it was okay until the coaches, as long as the coaches were making more than the players. But the moment that the players start making more than the coaches, the coaches are going to raise up. They're going to rise up. Well, wait a minute, right? because the whole balance thing is off again.

So we have to reach that comfortable, balanced middle in all of this. In the transfer portal, the ability to move, the reasons why you would move, locations, right? Because it used to be, there was a time, you know, 30 plus years ago that if you transferred, you had to sit out a year. and there was a reason for it and it had some merit there's a time 40 years ago where freshmen couldn't play at all you had to sit out a year right why show your commitment show your loyalty prepare yourself spend a year learning how to do this thing that we're asking you to do and if you spend a year somewhere you're you know without making money then you're going to stay there to make money

and you're going to learn how to deal with this thing. The problem is that the balance is off because the people have the same discussions, the same narrative is being put out there. N.I.L. is ruining college... No, it's not. No, it's not. It is the greatest time in the history of college athletics for student athletes.

Why would that be a bad thing? Why do you not want people to have the freedom to change their lives and their livelihood? Why would you not want that? Like, that's why you go to college, right? Literally, isn't that why? Like, to make a better life for yourself, for you and your family? So why would it be bad for that to happen? Now, still balance, balance, that you have to be committed to the thing that you're receiving perks and benefits from.

Got to show up, and then you got to be loyal to it, as much as you can be loyal to it. And you and I had this conversation. Sometimes it is just in the agreement, the contractual agreement, whatever handshake signature is in place, those things have to have value. They're sayings and cliches about a man is as good. His value is as good and as deep as his word. And then the other side of the spectrum says a man is only as loyal as his option. They're both true. You get to choose who you are and who you work with and what your value system is.

Sometimes you can overpriced yourself and get yourself kicked outside. It's standing outside the window talking about I'm a millionaire player. Okay. If nobody's paying you a million dollars, you... But here's the thing about young people and talent. they don't hold a gun to the head of the owner and say you have to pay me the owner can say I'm just not going to pay you so the value of the talent there has to be an adult and a grown up and a and a boss that allows it everything in sports is either taught or allowed

that doesn't change NIO doesn't change that Tell me, how did they force Nebraska to pay NIL? No, they agreed to. Revenue share. They agreed to it. What athlete makes a university pay them the amount of money of the athlete wants? The university can always say no. So the university will have to agree, hey, you know what?

If we all agree to say no to this, It stops. But why won't that happen, Bob? Why? What possibly could be the reason why all universities won't agree to how they're going to pay people and at what level is it maxed out at? Because there's always somebody who's going to go, hey, man, I'm trying to win. Y'all go ahead.

That's the thing. For me, I love the fact that players are getting paid. It's never, I don't have any negative feeling. toward NIL. The problem with college football is not NIL. The problem with college football is you have 400 million different ways that people are in goals. Like what's what's the goal here? Um, do are we, is athletics, is academics still part of it? Should it still be part of it? And now that you've got multi-million dollar players, you know, so and then, you know, obviously from there, you've got all these different schools that have different capabilities, not to say that none of them, you know,

They're all here for a reason, but you've got different sports and all this. And that's why I've said it for a long time. I think football has gotten to a point to where it probably should separate. You have different rules for football than you do the rest of your sports. Now, you get in the argument of whether you want to do that with basketball or just revenue-generating sports. But one point, the other, to put football and treat that, put it in together with the rest of the athletic department and say, yeah, that's all the same, everything's equal. It's just not true.

And then you, now we've got these problems. It's not just every different college wants something different. TV networks want something different. Conferences wants something different. So that's why it's like, man, if you could just get to get everybody to agree, but there's just too many people. How are you going to get everybody to agree? Our problem is always ourselves.

For every school that says we're going to follow the rules, there's a Michigan. There's always a Michigan. There's always the Chicago black size. There's always the guy willing to take a dive. There's always a guy willing to be the bag man. There's always somebody willing to work in subterfuge and make a phone call to a player who's already under a contract in agreement with somebody else.

We are our own problems. This is, this is, the calls coming from within, from inside the house. And the, and the universities could fit. fix this with the swipe of a pen and say, listen, we are all going to honor agreements that currently exist, that if somebody is under NIL agreement with somebody else, and you can tell me if the duration of the agreement is the issue, right? You can say it's a six-month agreement. We will stay outside of each other's DMs for the duration of the contract. And there'll be punishments, if you will.

But you just shook your head because you know good and darn well, there's some adult, there's some alumni, there's some booster who's going to reach out and say, you know what, you know, not losing sleep. We need to get this guy. Winning is that important. Cheating is that important. Al Davis, you know, again, a whole brand is just win, baby.

We'll go through all the stuff. We'll take all the bad boys. We'll take all the rebels. We'll do all that. We just need to win. And the players reacted and responded because, you know what? All the rebels and pirates decided they were going to be Raiders. Because it's allowed.

The bad boy pistons. It was allowed. It was encouraged. Until the league said, wait a minute, we got this really down. did Jordan do. We need probably to keep him out of hospital. Y'all are here hurting people. And it was still allowed

until those bad boys went in the stands and threw hands at the people who were paying the check. Okay, no. Ah, that's enough. That's, ah, uh, blue chips

was truer than, than, than most people wanted it to be. Program. truer than most people wanted it to be. Art imitates life. And they tell you that the bag man and the people buying cars

and getting family members' jobs and all those things to acquire talent tells you that talent has value. And it's a limited supply. There aren't 500, five stars every year. So you, you, And who created the star system? Who was that for?

Was that for coaches? Or was that for fans? Or was that for players? Who created? Why does the star system exist, Bob? I'd say that's mostly for fans. Right, right? Yeah, players.

I mean, helps give it up, maybe give them, obviously get that star, maybe can help you with your, you know, to get out there. But, yeah, I mean, ideally that's for fans. I never really wanted coaches to be following that along too much. They need to be able

evaluate their own five and four stars. But who are they beholded to? The first thing that somebody talks about with a coach's program is how many five stars you have? Depends on where you're at. If you're winning. If you're not winning, Indiana doesn't have too many five stars on the roster.

And that's why everybody's mad at Indiana. Right? Because Indiana, look, they pulled back the curtain and showed that this is a lot. All the star system stuff, lie. All the big money, all that stuff, all the things that were said that absolutely got to do it. You got to cheat. You got to have the richest players and you got to have the best facilities and that, that, that, no, no, no, you don't.

Not the other side of the spectrum, Texas Tech's made a dramatic turnaround was such a philosophy. Again, just look at what's being highlighted and who benefits from. Texas Tech said, listen, we're going to spend money. This is what the state of Texas does. State of Texas is better to spend money to anybody in the country when it comes to athletics because they put

billions of dollars into their high school athletics. It's unmatched. Everybody will tell you. Money. Money makes it move. People weren't playing with this thing.

It's cream. It's cream. Cash rules everything around me. Dollar dollar bill, y'all. And in the moment you allow this to stay, then it's going to control everything. I'm not mad at anybody getting their money, not the bosses, not the coaches and administrators, not the players.

Not even Uncle Jimmy and Auntie M. I'm cool. But there needs to be balance. And I think getting to the balance is going to be important. And who's willing to meet in the middle? Who's willing to me? It's meet me in the bridge. Meet me on the bridge. From the Wild Wild West NIL revenue share to the other side

where athletes are just free and it's gangster and we just get to take money and move as you want. You have to meet somewhere in the middle. and then determine what that middle is going to be, and then there has to be some leader. There has to be some leaders who are willing to walk and stand on that bridge to get everybody to the middle.

Because otherwise, otherwise, one side will blow up the bridge to keep all things on their side. And then we're stuck. We're going to be stuck. Going to do some trivia when we come back. Give away some wrestling tickets. Get your text fingers ready.

I've got a pair for Oklahoma State. We'll do that when we come back to one-on-one.