1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - Is the Home Run Derby worth watching? / Mt. Rushmore Pitchers - July 14th, 2025

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It's time to go one-on-one with D.P. Coming at you live from the heart of Lincoln America, a 93-7-a-ticket and the ticketfm.com. Here is your host, Derek Pearson, brought you by Canopy Street Market. Yeah, Harrison would be. I'll start there. There we're. Yeah. Yeah.

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X, Allo, Channel 961. Please download the ticket app. Simplifies all of our lives in existence. Greatly appreciate you doing it. I'm, man, I'm old. Because things aggravate me now that I now should not bother me. It should not bother me. And you got some like examples?

Yeah, I'm going, I'm going to dive in the pool over the course of the next hour because when people talk about events, an event that has notoriety now was built over decades. Many players, many stars, many moments, friction, competition. build everything. Sam Dump contest was built over decades. Amazing athletes built that thing, the interest, curiosity, and then the foundation and the business. NHL All-Star, Pro Bowl, WrestleMania, World Cup, the Olympics. And we're not that far from our next Olympics. And we host them. Yeah, but it doesn't feel like.

I felt it in this weekend because I was in Salt Lake City. And literally that was like all of the construction. Like they've already hosted Winter Olympics and they're doing more construction now to make it more Olympic international friendly. And so. Certainly not arenas every time. We got a million arenas out here. No, they're renovating the arenas.

Delta Senate is being renovated as we speak. Okay, I see renovations. Which is why the Summer League. Well, you have to make everything new again. Huntsman Center. You can remember the Huntsman Center is where the University of Utah plays basketball and does gymnastics, et cetera. That's the same place, the same building that Magic and Bird played in in 79.

So you have to renovate it. Like it wasn't new then. The Salt Palace, which is where the old Utah Jazz, you know, played Delta Center. Again, that would stock them alone. That thing's, it's the same building. It's the garden the oldest one that's out there. But the garden's been renovated. It's been renovated.

It's been renovated. It's the old arena. Yeah. It's like, I mean, so it, out of respect for it. I mean,

you know, Washington commanders are talking about, you know, building the stadium back in, in D.C. where, where, where they,

where it belongs. Instead of land over Maryland, you know, it's like plastic. You know. Chicago Bears are in that same problem. It's the difference of, it's drinking champagne from a paper cup.

Perfect analogy. Right. And you just go, okay. And I kind of felt that way about the home render. The home run derb. Because it's the All-Star game, and it should be highlighting the best of the best of the best of the best. Like directly in line, putting out the very best that Major League Baseball has. and my fear is that with the lack of buzz for this year's home run derby,

that they start to tinker with this thing, right? You've already got the celebrity games in basketball. Yeah, MBA's been tinkering for a hot minute. You know, you know, you know. Now Mack McClung is the all-time dunk hero. They just bring them out of retirement. Like, you're not even a dude. What are you talking about?

Yeah, I like Mac Mac MacKlung. Don't get me wrong, but it doesn't make me super excited, knowing that this is the last I'll see him. and I'm not going to see him in the NBA. Well, but I mean, here's the thing. It's the NBA All-Star, not the G-League All-Star Slam dunk contest. It's, what are you doing? We can name, there are 10 dudes who never play even in the G-League who could out-dunk

Macs McClung, but. Well, I mean, do players just think it's not cool anymore? That's the other part of it. Well, you've talked yourself out of doing. It's load management. It's all the things you've talked yourself out of doing. Because you don't need the money anymore. you don't need the brand exposure, you don't need the partnerships, et cetera.

And then you're left for other people to come up and make it worthwhile. And yeah, granted, if you said to me, I'm going to put first, second and third year guys in the competition so you get to know them. Okay, but then what are you doing? Like, then why do it? The moment you tell me that you're not going to give me the best of the best, I lose interest. I lose interest. I agree.

It's done contests for a long time. And I, you know, I would have loved to see LeBron James, Janice. I shout out to Zach Levine and Aaron Gordon for being the real high flyers that, you know, Zach Levine didn't do it. He has on a max contracts with the Chicago Bulls, but he'd at least go out there. You just don't see, I mean, from the era when the best of the best, I think. How many, how many participants from this year's home run Derrick can you name without looking at the list? Probably, like, I don't know.

None. Who all goes out there? Is it even the best of the best? Or is it just first, second, third year guys? It's just dudes who decided that they would be willing to do it. I mean, listen, I'm a James Wood fan, but first year guy. He's played 160, 170 games. You know, uh, Byron Buxton from from Minnesota, uh, junior Kim and Arrow from the devil raise, jazz Chisholm. from the Yankees, O'Neill Cruz, from the Pirates, Matt Olson from the Brays, of course he's got an asterisk by him,

Cow Raleigh, of course, a big dump is in, James Wood and Brent Rocker from the Oakland Athletics. Not exactly. Yeah, it might as well throw on Bryce Matthews. You just got picked up.

Right, like, I mean, but they just did that. They just brought in a picture that's made, again, when you devalue your own thing, and I, you know, I get crazy. this. I get crazy

in here when we do things that I think devalue the highest level of the ticket. Like it's it's not fatal, but it also demeans what we're doing. Yeah, do enough of that producing the products. The whole is. Right? I can't work at everybody else's standing.

Like I didn't coach that way. I didn't play that way. I didn't practice that way. I just didn't. So that's a thing for me. And then you go back. And I want to point out a couple of things in this. and this because I wanted to go back in time. Now, the home run derbies go back all the way back 50s, televised home run derbies.

And it was, it had, so in the days of three network channels and PBS, that they would record these half hour home run derbies. and to tell you who, I mean, you're talking about Ernie Banks versus Willie Mays, Hank Aaron versus Willie McCovey. You didn't, Mickey Manil over, like you didn't, we weren't, you weren't talking about the local Joe and Schmo. It was when you turned on the TV, you turned on TV because you were going to see the best of the best. It was two guys, right? And then sometimes I think they would double up, right?

So you would have four, you know, but imagine. seeing Willie Stardroll and Johnny bench. You know, and you go, oh. That would be a good half hour coming here. Okay. Okay. We're doing that. What the guys wanted to use it as a proving ground, right? To prove or no, was they just pure entertainment and they understood the assignment?

Well, it was competition. Yeah. It was competition. We seem to have lost that in all the all stars across the, NHL's do is a little bit better, but across all the board. A lot of the all star shenanigans across all sports seem to. Tell me the difference between the names that we name. And if you go back to this year's version of the home run derby,

and you don't need to manifest, you don't need to manufacture competition if the game is good. And if it's Aaron Judge Shohei, you can pick eight superstars. And then you tell me, okay, then we add in this year's home run leader. Okay, that makes all the sense in the world. That makes all the sense of the world to me. But that's not what we're doing. and it's frustrating me because I'm a fan like I'm a fan and I don't do you think it's owners protecting assets I don't know what I don't it doesn't make sense to me because Mark Cuban

even had a you know talking about the Olympics again saying like he doesn't it thinks it's unfair that we're sending our best guys he wants to go back to the college because he's like you know we're our NBC makes a ton of money off of it you know the NBA makes nothing and my whole thing is it's like Well, first of all, the NBA is not the only thing going on in the Olympics. It's an opportunity to go play for your country. But the Mavericks make money when a Dallas Maverick player plays in the Olympics. Like he made money off a look of being in the Olympics. So what's the complaint, really?

You're selling tickets and you're selling merchandise. He literally stated that is one of the reasons why he left the Dallas Mavericks because he was with the Olympics. He's fed up about it. I don't understand that at all from Mark Stevens. I would think that there are other things. I don't want to paraphrase them. I'll find the actual. Yeah, but it would tell me that that doesn't make, you know, math doesn't math.

It doesn't add up. If you said to me that, listen, we're going to go. And James Woods in the top 10 for home runs. So yes, and he's a future star. 100%. But if it's Raleigh, Cal Raleigh, who has 38 home runs, having a season on a generational season. Aaron Judge with 35.

Otani with 32. Suarez with 31. Schwarber with 30. Suzuki from the Cubs with 25. Crow Armstrong with 25. Riley Green with 24. James Wood with 24.

Juan Soto with 23. Buxton. Pete Alonzo. If you just made, if you said to me that you were, and again, you can make it so that you don't have to turn it into a marathon. You don't need three. rounds to do this.

It used to be, ready for this? You got 10 outs. You went once. And whatever you hit is whatever you hit. Sometimes simplicity is better. Right. So imagine for those, and you can build it up and you can do it in reverse order.

Okay, the guy with 10th most goes first and then you go all the way back to the stars or whatever you're doing. And then whatever it's worth, because this is your television event, Tonight. This is your event. You have a set-aside day for it. And it's national television.

So what are you doing? Like put on the best thing. You have the captive audience. You have a chance to make fans of people who aren't watching baseball. And we know even in this business, in the media business, there are people who don't watch baseball all year. So the one, this is. One of three nights that you have the entire sports eye in professional sports.

There's no football. There's no NFL. There's no NBA. It's the Summer League, but not the same. Yeah. No NHL, right? No NASCAR. Wimbledon's over even in the East sports.

No UFC. So you have three days where you control the airwaves and the content. And what you allow to happen is this. Now tomorrow night, again, I'm not sure you understand what you're doing. I was going to say, is there any devil's advocate that you can play, like the reasoning behind why this happens? Like, is it the player's interest? Is it an owner's?

Like, I can't find the devil's advocate for why you wouldn't try to send the best of the best if you're out. If you're paying players 80 million a year, what what motivation is there other than competition? It has to be competition. It has to be head to head, toe to toe, I'm better than everybody else. And there are people that are moved by that. But what do you say to all the time? Like, oh, you have to do it?

No, but you want to make it worthwhile. And the millions of dollars in revenue should tell me that there's enough. But you're telling me that the owners are getting their cut of games that aren't being played by them. Yeah, you have players who are playing and that you're spending money. Now, you're, it's a break, right? Because 90% of 95% of the league is on vacation right now. This is their vacation. They get a break in a year.

This is their break. So you have to do something for your players to make it worthwhile. That's when load management would make sense, right? Yeah. That, if everybody else played a game on Sunday, and think about it, pitchers, if you're a starting pitcher and you pitch Thursday, you're not pitching again Sunday before the All-Star game.

You're not pitching again until after the break. You're not pitching again until Thursday or Friday. With the amount of games you have in the MLB, this is the one area where load management's the easiest to defend. So the pitchers get a full week. Starting pitchers get a full week break. As a matter of fact, the people who started Thursday are going to go to Hawaii and then come back and fly into the next town

that they're going to pitch in. the day before so they can rest, recalibrate, get their body right, all the stuff that goes on. But it becomes too, it becomes too much. It becomes too much. And so I, if we go back in time and, and Cubsker is good to see you on here. Yeah, bring back the 10 outs. I think that was just fair, right?

I thought that made sense. I'm not complaining about him being in the derby. I just think that he needs to be there next to Aaron Judge. in Shohei Otani. Give me the beauty of seeing Barry Bons's swing was that you also got to see Ken Griffey Jr. swing. The beauty of seeing McGuire swing

is you got Sosa's and Ken Seiko's. Like you got to see, oh, look at, look at this. Look at this. This was magnificent. It was brilliant to watch the contract. Like there's, a full contrast between the the bond swing the griffy swing the mcguire swing the sosa swing it they

weren't can't say go swing they were not the same they were not the same listen i'd be fully okay with you flipping the script and going hey you know what we're gonna we're gonna let 10 pitchers have the home run derby i'd watch that more than i'm watching what what's currently happening. More than anything. It'd be different because it's like, I don't know, the best analogy I could be like, you know,

if you like Woods, it'd be like you're watching the NBA dunk contest and you get Anthony Edwards, but everybody else is your Mac McLongs, G-League pull-ups. Like, you're going to watch Edwards, but outside of that, there isn't a whole lot of interest in it.

You're just waiting for that. And if you don't want to go that way, then, you know, get fun with it. All centers, dunk contest, all guards under 6'5. You'd have to find unique ways

if you can't get the best of the best. Okay, so let me reintroduce myself, especially on text. So a text that said this. Complained about James Lewis being a derby. Tell us you don't know ball without telling us. That is the quickest way for me to never allow you to tech. That tells me you don't know what you're talking about. That is just that, why?

Why would you text that in? One, that means you weren't listening. Yeah, because you never said he shouldn't be there. You want the superstar. You need more stars with him. I am a nationals fan. on my desk is a bobblehead of James Wood. James Wood.

Stop it. Stop it. Literally talking about the history of the game. And if you can go back and that's a dance I can do. Well, this is the problem when you catch 30 seconds. You know. Okay. So anyway, which is my uncle's favorite word.

My grandmother's least. favorite word because we would have these conversations and then he would go anyway which totally discounted everything else you were talking about so if but those are wood being in the top 10 again earn not given to but earn but it's not the same as Juan Soto and his 23 Juan Soto has a bigger brand a greater reach and a greater resume than James Wood Soto has 23 home runs. Wood has 20, 24, 25. Okay, so we're good with that.

Put them in, let them do what they do. Yeah, Wood has 24, soda has 23. But there's also more valuable in Pete Alonzo because, hey, having a New Yorker, having two New Yorkers in the home run derby, never a bad thing for TV and social media, never a bad thing. Well, to your point,

I'm looking at, you know, most watch home run derbies through the years. Uh-huh. These are just the top 10. Yep. The, you have 2017 sticks out as like one of the more recent ones. And who was the winner of that one? Aaron Judge. So obvious reasons why people drawn in.

Otherwise, got 08, 09, 04, 02. And then you have a 2021 and a 2050. Oh, 2 was the Jambi. That was the, the, the air quotes, juice era where you had the run. And this is why you need the contrast because you had the Ken Griffey run. You had the Bond run, then the Griffey run. Griffey had won two years in a row. Then you got Sosa, Gonzalez, Jambi, and then it flipped again because Garrett Anderson,

you actually, he had earned the right to be there. And then he produced on the big stage. Here's the, we can go through the list through. Yeah, Pete Alonzo. 2021 was another big one, 7.1 million. So the point of time, though, is like all of the best years are, you can't find anything outside of 2021. Otherwise, you're looking at the early 2000s and maybe once in a while, you know, early teens. Well, this was the run that that was intriguing to me was that you had John Carl Stanton,

Aaron Judge, Bryce Harper, Pete Alonzo, Pita Lanzo, Pita Lanzo, Wanzoto, Vladig, Jew. Wolf. Wolf. And it's nothing, you can't tell me that this year's lineup has the same sauce. Yeah, I'm going to take a wild swing and say it doesn't touch any of these top tens. And you could say, okay, based on, you know what, you get paid more, the more of these you've been in, the more money we pay. I don't know what. Pay appearances and, you know, you have the money. They really have the money.

If you want to sell the league, hey, owners get together. stop worrying about my precious assets so much. Let the guys compete. To me, that's the plague that's happened with how, and again, this isn't, you don't calling anybody out,

but the amount of money that all these professional teams have gotten is great, but at the same time, you've gotten to this ownership and GMs where it's like they are so protective over their quote-unquote assets. They just don't want to let them do anything that isn't directly involved with their team in their pockets.

That money business thing at the top of all your decisions is, that's why I keep asking about what, what's the top of a, everybody's pyramid and why you do what you do. And if it's money and you're in business and so you're certainly allowed. But if that's everything, if that overrides all the other good things for fans, always making money decisions will always hurt the fan. Inevitably, it will reach the fans.

This year's home run derby, $2.5 million pool. Now, just off the cuff, that's not a terrible number, except that's a terrible number. Yeah, just show you with Donnie, you can scoff at that. That's a terrible. number. That's a terrible number. The winner gets a million. Runner up gets 750. Remaining participants get 150. Now, that's where young guys will step up because that 150 grand is a sizable chunk for young players. And I get it. I get it. It's Mac Mac McClawn. Yeah, it's everything for Mac. It's everything for him. But to tell me that that's the right

number and that you're doing everything to give the fans because that stadium is full the stadium's full and broadcasting wise to your point you're competing with nothing the stadium is full bro like on four for not a game not a game so you know yeah James Wood has three hours left he's got he's hit 14 so far I love yeah again I love his swing at six foot seven left-hander, it always looks a little different coming off the bat. But historically, the names that have won this thing, and I did want to go back because I wanted to talk about power hitters and then determining what power really is defined by. So when we say power hitters, home runs the first thing that jumps to mine.

Longevity, so not having power for a short period of time, right, having real power where doesn't come and go. And then extra base hits should play into that. So you're not just hitting home runs and singles. You should be banging some extra base hits. And then the other part of it in determining who the greatest power hitters are. Then the thing pops in in my mind about there are people who are great power hitters that we don't talk about. we don't talk about much.

And it's, it's kind of interesting that when you look at the home run derby list, a player who put up ridiculous numbers who in his time we gave credit to, but we don't talk about it. We don't talk about the big hurt now. We don't talk about Frank Thomas. We don't talk. I can't remember the last time a sportscaster talked about Juan Gonzalez. And he was a unit.

The guy was a freak. but we don't talk about him. Even Cubs fans don't talk about Ryan Sandberg the way that they should. And it's remarkable. One of my favorite players was Eric Davis. And we don't, we don't,

he flipped the bat as well as anybody. But in the first version of this type of home run derby, 1985, Minneapolis. And it couldn't be more appropriate. That first home run derby was won by Dave Parker, who passed away to a week. And it just shows you the run that, uh, think about this, 86. They had a tie.

Who, who was it in 86? Who tied? How does that happen? Again, we, Darry strawberry. Okay. And Wally Joyner. We don't even talk about while we, we, I'd have to educate myself on Wally. What?

You don't know Wally? I can't say it for a lot of Alie was glorious hitting art. He was majestic. He was not the ideal home. I wouldn't have put him in that conversation, but that's why you have this competition. Because there are guys who could hit with power but who choose to hit for average instead.

Wally, Joyner was one of those people. Well, it's nice when you mix them in with the elite of the elite. Smooth, buttery. Wallace, my roommate in college was a pitcher. And he had gone to a camp,

and Wally Joyner was at the camp. And he came back, and he would never call him. From that day forward, he never called him Wally. Wallace, my boy. Wallace, my boy. It was always, that was the, there's some names on this list. I mean, Andre Dawson, Ruben Sierra,

who from either side of the plate, one of the most unique swings ever, Cal Ripon Jr. wanted at the Sky Dome, which fantastic. Mark McGuire winning it once. And you would think that McGuire would have participated more, racked them up, him and Sosa. Nope.

Both with one win, bonds with one win. Bond won at once. And I just think you just missed, we missed a ton. That's all. But we'll talk about great power hits. We'll talk about best pictures too.

I need your Mount Rushmore pictures. All right. So we'll get that when we come back to one online. You're listening to one-on-one with DP. Brought to you by Canopy Street Market on 93-7 the ticket and the ticketfm.com. Yeah, it's interesting. It is interesting how sports talk works. And the way conversations are being held.

Like our talent gets the freedom to talk about what they're good at talking about. I'm not asking anybody to talk about a thing that they don't know well enough. And there are people who have been, I mean, SIPP will tell you, he, you know, he watches what he watches. He can't watch everything. Yeah, he can tell you, you know, what Hustker in the year of 89 grew up in this small town. Right, but he can't tell you who currently, you know, is the starting pitcher, major league baseball, I'll start getting. But that's fine, too.

He's honest about it. Right, that's fine too. Bill Bush will tell you, like, I'm a fan of some things. I'm not a fan of other things. Jake will tell you, Jake tries to involve himself, but Jake, you know, UFC or WWE came up, Jake would leave the room. Like, it's just not his thing.

And I'm fine with that. I have so, but I'm glad that baseball fans now have Nick and Austin doing that hour because it allows them baseball fanatics to talk. We had Kyle Perry who talked, you know, for three years, we had Kyle Perry who talked baseball.

And we had Tristan Gomez, too, which is right. He's a big time baseball guy. Right. Apologies. I can't remember what school he put. Rudy plays right now. Tristan played.

Omaha. Thank you. Omaha. Thank you. You know, so we have specialists. We have role players. But the core group of folks, I mean, again, with the Olympics coming up, you know, you're going to meet, you meet athletes and your curiosity is the important thing.

You don't have to know everything, but your curiosity about it should be always at 10. Always. I'm always curious to find out why a thing is. I don't have to know everything about it. But it is my job to get to the question about it. Why is this the way it is? Why is this person famous? Why is this person considered the best?

And that leads most of our conversations is, wow. See, I love our text. A Thompson, Lincoln, he goes, as a wrestling fan, have you watch AEW? Yeah, they missed you on Sunday. I forgot to mention that. They missed you. Oh, man.

We probably talked too much Lakers with little Ron James. Oh, man. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Yeah, AW, it's Tony Storm. There's no, like, it's Tony Storm. I don't even, like, her, her press conferences are literally just, it should be its own show. Like, she made this, this list.

She hand wrote this note for her press conferences. thanking people and telling other people to bleep off. And it was epic. And you just went, right? And you just got, oh, this is so good. It's so good. I just wish that she was a part of the evolution of that yesterday, which was epic. I'm a wrestling mark and I'll tell you that I want what I want.

And it bothers me that she's not over. A lot of people want Tony Storm. I mean, you're not the only one. Right, that you want her and you want, there's certain women you want over and certain guys you want over. And then you kind of get lost in the way. But this was a great wrestling weekend for a variety of reasons in several stories. So yes, AW, when Tony's wrestling, yes, I don't.

I watched, I watched Dustin win the title and complete his story. great for the Rhodes family that all three of them have have had their moment. And he's stuck to it and earned it. Like it wasn't given, it was earned. Like, Dustin, he could have quit 13 times. And now he's the old guy. Like, he's the Randy Orton version that he's been around that long.

And he's evolved. And he's been several different characters and several different works. So for him to hang in there and evolve and then to find his niche, to find his way and win the title and get, you know, get the strap. It made all the sense of the world. So it was a great weekend. So, yes, I don't watch all, like, I don't know the entire AEW roster. But there, there, there, there's a handful of folks that I, that I have eyes on, uh, watching tonight to see what the Seth Rollins update will be. What was the peak of AEW?

This is it. Right here. This is, well. Cody Cody before he left they've always just had a few stars to carry the whole thing yeah yeah I mean it but that's what it's for it's to give people a chance to remake themselves

rebuild themselves but then you get points where Tony's so damn big at this point it's like it feels like he's in the wrong way completely now you know you know it's the thing right so it's been it's been interesting um and then in this business everybody has their different like I'm not going to ask Harrison Arndes to be DP Jr That's not good for you.

It's not good for me. It's not good for the listener. I want you to be the best version of you, whatever that is. You may become an exes and those guys. You may be a personality guy. You may be a local fan favorite. I want you to figure that out.

And in that, I like the history of sports. I like the recycling of sports. It evolves. And everything changes in a, ultimately comes back to it. Baseball is a power pitchers game. It evolves.

And, you know, there are those folks who, old-fashioned hardball. And then the Maddox era, you can go through. And in different eras, you had different types of pitchers. Different types of hitters were in, we're in play.

I mean, the power issue, you know, the juice era was definitely its own. But even the knuckleball died for a little bit. It's coming back. You get some guys that are on the last legs of their career. And it's like, hey, can you throw a knuckleball? And you throw it, but they're teaching it to kids younger now.

Yeah, how do you feel? I mean, I guess it's fine, but. That one requires more science. Uh-huh. But some kids, when you see, they have it. It's crazy. There's a 12-year-old that is masterful with it, that has control of it that not even fill Negro had.

And he's starting to get traction. So it's a thing, but as it evolves, that even in the juice era, Tony Gwyn was still Tony Gwynn. in the power era, Ichiro is still each row. Epic players. I mean, think about Ozzie Smith,

there was one shortstop like him, and then there was a shortstop era of guys who, who defended the middle of the diamond. That happened every 20 years, because you go back into the late 60s where shortstops didn't hit. If they hit 240, but they were epic defensively.

So the game evolves, and I like watching, the same in the NFL, the same in the NBA. The game evolves. This version of the game will evolve. The Joker era will evolve into maybe the SGA era, maybe the length era, maybe it goes back to power play. Maybe it goes back to cerebral movement, right? Majestic play calling every possession becomes everything.

It will evolve. And it's happened. Showtime was a runoff. Now, that version of back. basketball hadn't been played because we had never had a six-foot-nine-point guard who could play that way before, right? We didn't run the triangle because we didn't have a Jordan Pippen master mix. Like we didn't have a Ron Harper who was willing to stand at the point and knock down threes at the top of the scene to create space for Jordan and Pippen and slash. And finding a five who quite frankly didn't need the ball in his hands the whole time.

and it evolves. Yeah, I don't even know if we knew what ball was before Kareem. It evolved, right? That the Shaq Kobe Lakers was different than the Magic Kareem Lakers, which was different than the West Baylor, Chamberlain, Lakers. Even the Kobe Powell Lakers. Right. So to go, right, to go, you have to,

so I love the history, which is why I often go back to history, just to measure, if I asked you to name your Mount Rushmore of pitchers, all time. Could be anybody. And I used to say this, Tom Stevens all the time. When I ask you your opinion, you're never wrong. But you can never possibly get it entirely right. So let me lean on.

You get to build your perfect starting four. So you need your rotation, your starting rotation. And then I'll even flex and let you get one closer. So four starters, text line, feel free to chime in. you can pick your four starters and a closer go all right i'll use recency bias for the first one right now give me a show you a otani as a closer we'll give him what hoss really wants you really does i i believe in my godfather for this one it was the history give me cofax gibson then i'm in a text line for a couple other ones because at this point now you're not

going to be you're not going to be wrong because in the in the range of it if we said most people think about it this way. The best pitchers of all time. Let me rattle off some names. Pedro Morales, Martinez. Pedro Martinez. Nolan Ryan,

Bert Blyleaven is on my underrated pitcher list, Bert Blylevin. Tom Seaver is not, Tom Terrific is not talked about enough. Tom Seaver was a monster. And to think that the Mets, the 69 Mets had Tom Seaver

and Nolan Ryan and Randy Johnson in the organization. I've taken, I haven't, I got one more left because I took Pedro Martinez. Okay. Greg Maddox. Yeah. He's in the real goat conversation. Clemens, you have to consider Kershaw, and we've forgotten how good Kershaw was. I think, of course, the awards named after Cy Young, you can go back to Spine,

insane because they threw 400 innings. That's what I'm saying. Longevity for some of these guys. Like when you go back and back, it's unreal. Like maybe the numbers aren't as great, but you look at how different the game was. Shilling, Randy Johnson. I'm kind of leaning on Maddox. Yeah, Maddox

to me. Let me see how long he played? Oh, Maddox was 18 years? That's what I'm saying. Like if you get to that type of longevity and you're throwing that long. He was that good. And the thing was that Maddox could have actually thrown 94-95. Maddox said,

screw it. I have better control at a lower, a lesser speed. Clemens was a dog. Clemens was a dog. They said he did have a five-year peak, but I'm not sure that that even defines

it. Yeah, I mean, think about it, 23 years. 23 years. And this is what's funny, that he was so good that people said, well, his first two years weren't great. And his final six seasons weren't great. But those middle 15 years,

those middle 15 years, he was something else. Yeah, he really was. You could take smoltz. There are certain guys that I love because they did, if I had them as starters, I could also use them as closers. We don't talk about Jim Palmer enough. Jim Palmer was the class of the league for a very long time. Jim Catfish Hunter,

was a guy that just for the A's. Do you ever favorite as like, you know, maybe not the best of the best, but just an entertainer? Like this guy was just a incredible. Oh, oh. Oh, this was easy. This was easy.

I'd never seen anything. Well, these, it would have to be two. It would have to be two. Because Pascal Perez, who pitched for the Braves, wasn't a great pitcher. But he was the most entertaining guy I'd ever seen. Like he was the guy. He would shoot guns at players after he struck him out.

Okay. Pascal Perez was. like six foot five, 160 pounds. He was just gangling all over the place. That's a crazy. Six five 160 is all known. He had this Jerry curl

Afro that dripped. And so the story was that he was brought up to the majors and he didn't know, he didn't know how to drive in Atlanta. So he, and even people that know Atlanta

get lost on the loop. Yeah, it seems like a nightmare. It is a nightmare. Well, he was late to his start. because he was on the loop. He was on the loop for 45 minutes.

And the other is Mark the bird fidgerich. Fidgerich played for the Tigers back in the day where Monday night baseball was the thing. Howard CoSalle, it was the thing. And he made, he came on, we had never seen anybody that talked to the baseball and padded the mound and rubbed the dirt and did all of that.

I loved Fernando Mania. Valenzuela is one of the, one of the greatest to ever do it. We don't talk about him enough. That he could, he could throw, he had a screwball, left hand a screwball. A left hand of screwball. Yeah.

Probably the first time a lot of batters saw that. Oh, his numbers, I think he went his first 12 starts, maybe. Yeah, Fernando is in the conversation of people we don't talk about enough, but those are the ones that I enjoyed the most. We'll talk about guys that you, enjoy watch hitting we'll talk about that when we come back you're listening to one on one with d p sponsored by mary ellen's food for the soul on 93 7 the ticket and the ticket fm dot com yeah poor

harrison that during the breaks he gets so i just show introduced him to pascal prez yeah he's a He's having a lot of fun out there. Wouldn't that be just a joy to watch? Yeah. Right? Just to watch. And then I was telling the story, and this is, I got, I've actually found the clip. Former NBA player Marvin Barnes once refused to board a plane from Louis to St. Louis with his team because the flight was scheduled to arrive central time, even though it's departure was Eastern Time.

He says, I ain't getting in no damn time machine. He rented a car and drove instead. There are so many characters in sports. We spend so much time talking about just popcorn. But there's so many really fun, interesting stories. If you ever, I'm pretty sure your mentors talk when you talk about Kofax, some of his science behind was crazy. Some of the thinking of Bob Gibson to go through Tom Seaver and what he went through in New York,

the 86 met team was just filled with character after character after character. The Yankees during their run, the Billy Martin Reggie years, the friction between Reggie and the other players and why it was, there's so much stuff that we don't talk about because we end up talking about the same ESPN, Pablum. Yeah, social media, I think it helps a lot with that. Well. You just pay attention what's in front of you.

My thing is this. This is why one-on-one, you never know where we're going, because we're going on the time machine. Matter of fact, I need to do a whole show of just time. Let me take you back in time. Yeah, you got. Let me take you back here. Sorry, who's the player that one wanted to get on it?

You can name it the Marvin Barnes. Marvin Barnes-Barns-Barns-Time machine. We got two. So one says Nolan, Ryan, Greg Maddox, Tim Lintecum. That's good name. The big unit with the relief pitcher Lee Smith, closer Mariano Rivera. and then Cubsker says,

give me big unit, Maddox, Kershaw, and Kerry Wood. Kerry Wood. Again, you know, we can't miss.

That, that Cubs start line up was nice. That was nice. That Kerry Wood, if they had, he and Pryor, if they had taken care of them,

the Cubs would have had an epic run. But that's, you know, but I'm a, I was raised on, the Baltimore, so the senators moved away. Washington centers moved away to Texas

become to Texas Ranger. So my stepdad would drive me to Baltimore because he knew how much I love baseball. And he would drive me to Baltimore on the weekend. And their starting lineup, they had four 20 game winners in the same starting lineup. Jim Palmer, Mike Quayar, Jim McDally, Dave McNally,

and Pat Dobson. And their closer was, they had two guys who closed. Well, they had three. They had Tippy Martinez, left-hander, love Tippy, Don Asi, who had another great white Afro. Don Asi had, yeah, he was epic. But their setup guy was the starting power forward on the great NC State 1974 basketball team. Monty Tao, Rivers, David Thompson, Burleson, and Tim Stoddard, who,

Tim Stoddard was the Oriole set-up guy at six foot seven. And what was he throwing? He just mad gas, just mad gas, man. Mad gas. They named him the bird. Tim Stoddard of the bird. That was, that was, but 20 game, four, 21 game, 20 game winners in the same. I thought that rotation was better than the, than the Braves with Maddox, Smoltz,

Glaven and Steve Avery, who won 16 games, but never got to 20 for the break. So that was the year. Yeah, back in the time. Yeah, Harrison, we're going. Oh, by the way, before we go, in order to help you organize, of course, I'd get goodies sent to me. Do you order to help you organize. Kind, sir, you have your own now. Bears, leather, legal pad.

Thank you for all. Thank you for all you do. Thank you for all you do. I know you care. That's why I have to say that I appreciate. Appreciate D.B. Don't go anywhere, though. I'll carry another Al-Dohs here on Ticket Weeknights.

And then we got plenty of replays. Best of the Ticket as well before we wrap up things here tonight. Appreciate guys listening. But like I said, don't go anywhere.