1-on-1 with DP – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK - Remembering Frank Layden - July 10th, 2025

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

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It's time to go one-on-one with D.P. Coming at you live from the heart of Lincoln America, a 93-7-the-ticket and the ticketfm.com. Here is your host, Derek Pearson, brought to by Canopy Street Market. I lead with the boom. In your face? Thursday. A couple of things to talk about in this hour of one-on-one.

Uh, NIO go is going to be a thing. And in a big way, and I want to talk about it and break it down a little bit on what NIO go is and how it may or may not affect college athletics. Lots to talk about. Yeah, let's go and we'll go into some depth with that. You can be a part of what we're doing for to 4664, 565. that is the Sartarhammer text line. If you want to reach out, please do. Hit me with the what's up. If you want to follow on the video streams, as you should,

Facebook, YouTube, X, LO Channel 961, of course, download the ticket app so that we can be where you are and go where you're going. I will get to the NIO go and the Husker talk, but I need to ask you all a question. Do you know, or did you, you know, Frank Layden? Frankly, Francis, as he would, his wife would whisper, Frank Layden gave me my first Utah Jazz jersey ever, year 2002. After three meetings, I had moved to Salt Lake City. I was going to work with Nebraska-connected Ron

Ron Boone, of course, the father of Oscar Great, John Boone. Ron Boone had been a part of the jazz organization through the Utah Star's Days of the ABA, had been to L.A., came back to do broadcasting. Along the way, he introduced me. Well, no, this gentleman introduced himself. Frank Layden slapped his bare-sized paw into the the middle of my back and asked me to get up and show me who I was. 2002.

Frank Layton was the former head coach of the Utah Jazz. It's part of the move from New Orleans, from them being the New Orleans Jazz to the Utah Jazz. But the story goes deeper than that, and it is way more profound than that. Um, folks know that I'm about mentoring and mentorship. And in full, I would, I've said this before and I said it when I was in Salt Lake City quite a bit. I may not have said it as much here in Nebraska, but I'll say this and I may surprise some folks that my favorite NBA basketball coach is not Jerry Sloan. It's not Wes Hunt-Sell. Uh, it's not jean shoe.

It's not. It is in fact, frankly. And there's several reasons why, because he instilled and installed in me some depth in coaching, paramount, in twofold, that he coached from the belief that he needed players to do two things, show up on time and play hard. And he kept it that simple. But his life philosophy was make sure that coaching is fun. make sure you enjoy it and for a bit he was the he was the he was the comic relief of the NBA he

and marve albert's did uh those NBA highlight blooper reels and frank laden was always the voice and the comic relief he was he would put he once showed up uh to a game in denver wearing or groucho marks mask and nose yeah what i've been uh just quickly reading obviously i don't have the personal connection. Didn't, I don't know, say he took himself seriously, but he would make jokes about himself in a condescending way. Just a light in the room. I'm reading a lot about talking about his weight,

even after he dropped 85 pounds over summer. He was just funny. Yeah. Smart. Brilliant, even. But funny. Funny. The kind of funny that, that, you know,

bordering on cornball funny, but it was so authentic with him. There was, there's the story of him in Denver. and the jazz were bad. The early jazz from New Orleans to Utah were bad. And he said a million times he didn't think it would work. He didn't think the move to you.

He didn't think Salt Lake City was a big enough town to have an NBA team. He just thought, but these folks are about family. They're not about, you know. Fair enough at that time I would have been in the same boat. Right. Well, I mean, you know, they played in the Salt Palace, which was basically a convention center. Yeah, they played in a convention center.

Of course, downtown salt lake, just a walkable distance from the Mormon Temple. So the fact that it worked, you needed somebody. He said they weren't good, so he had to be funny. He couldn't sell them, so he had to sell himself. And he had to be funny. There was a trip to Denver where they were getting beat pretty bad. He tells the story that he was so upset with his team that he left the locker room and went to the tunnel. and during halftime they're having a shooting contest.

And there's a guy that, you know, hits the half-court jumper, hits a couple of threes, and hits the half-court jumper. And Frank Layden literally tracks, stalks the guy and says, hey, any chance you want to play for us. Right? And then took it a step further. And this was the brilliance of Frank Layden was that he then actually had the guy, like he checked in off a timeout.

He put four jazz in plus the guy who, from Denver, who won the shooting contest. before the officials were like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing? Selling the business is what I'm doing. You're right. Like, he was just, he just was good people. And the story of them being in Los Angeles and they're just getting pummeled.

And he handed the keys to Jerry Sloan as the assistant coach. And when he walked across the street to the team hotel and ordered, they found him. He had ordered a sandwich and some chili and was eating during the game. Like you just said, he was just, you know, and here's the thing. When I got to Utah, it was kind of the same thing that it was here that they didn't know me, no. Like Utah didn't know me. He thought like didn't know me.

There were people who were familiar with me, but on Moss, they didn't know me. And I'm certainly not the prototype for Utah Jazz basketball fans or Utah youths or BYU. So I had in case you haven't figured it out, I acclimate myself pretty well to those environments. And I did. But the great, there are two people that I owe so much to in Utah. And Ron Boone is one of them. I can probably say three.

There's a gentleman, a DJ sports talk. He was my radio buddy for a decade. Names Alan Handy. folks here wouldn't know him, but he was maybe one of the great comedy geniuses that I've ever been around. And Frank Layden, because Frank Layden would whisper to me,

and Frank Layden, you know, he just listened, he goes, you know what, you love this basketball thing the right way. And he said it on air so that the locals

who were a little bit anxious about the new guy, but here's Frank Layden saying, no, no, you guys need to listen to this guy. This guy's smart. This guy gets it. You know, and he goes, he's funny. He's not Frank Layden funny, but he's funny. And, you know, this is coming from Frank Layden.

So, you know, okay, the great cosign is required, unfortunately, but it is. And he would, and when I got into the management side, the coaching and the management side, so the new American Basketball Association and the old Continental Basketball Association, their versions in Salt Lake City, I was a part of both of those. and he would show up at these meaningless minor league games, and he would be the loudest fan. He would sit in the front row. He would cheer on the players.

He would heckle the coaches. He would heckle the officials. And I mean, no holds barred. Like, you're never going to get out of this league playing like that. But he meant it authentically, but it just was funny because he loved it enough to just to care. The history behind him. was a historian. So to tell you that this guy, he played at Niagara University. So Niagara

University is famous for several things. Among them, this team that Frank Layton played on, and his point guard on that team was Hughie Brown. And then he came back and his first head coaching job as a pro, well, college pro, was at his alma mater of Niagara, where he coached Calvin Murphy, the great Calvin Murphy, right? And you think about how, how, how crazy that is that the connection with he and Hubey because he and Hubey would go through Atlanta, they would go through in the process.

And it was not, I can tell you, he was trying to get on the business side because he didn't think he looked the part of an NBA coach. So he was a general manager first and then became the head coach out of necessity. I mean, he had, he spent time

in in Atlanta and then just so my morning show was with Ron Boone that lasted a year and then I went to the afternoons with another former Utah Utah coach in Tom Nassalky and so my afternoon so I'm bouncing from Ron Boone to Tom Nassalki and then eventually Hot Rod Hunley who's maybe one of the five like I'm out Rushmore basketball announcers uh in this country how right hunley's on that list but Frank Layden would just he would he had we had an old-fashioned chalkboard and he would he would

every day was a master's class in basketball he would just sit there and it was and then he invited me to watch the Utah Jazz with he and Tom Nassalky now I would have told you I thought I was pretty knowledgeable about the exes and those of basketball but they were talking a different language watching this game. Like it was, it was, they were speaking Greek and I'm just trying to hold on. And you, you learn, oh my goodness, there's so, there's a 10th level to the 10th level in basketball at that level in the NBA and college basketball. We would, we would, he would sit next to, like he would drag me to sit next to him during Utah, you basketball games. And I wish I had you just, I should have just hit record on my phone and recorded the two and a half hours of Frank Layton, the pure comedy show, and then the basketball master's class.

And then the human element where he might have been the best human to coach at a major sport in this country. his wife was amazing, kind, general, I mean, Scott Layden became a coach and executive, but they would invite you to the house. And again, it's a strange thing, the dinner table at the Layton house, right? Because the basketball talk's different, and the life talk is different. He, when he, when he stepped down from the, from the jazz and Jerry Sloan took over, and he literally handed over everything and everybody to Jerry Sloat. And when Sloan was my first day there, Frank Layden and Jerry Sloan,

Frank Layden is introducing Jerry Sloan to the new guy. And then straight to the classroom. Well, let's see what you know. Draw this up. Give me UCLA. Draw it up. Right? And you, huh?

Right? What are we doing? What are we doing? Draw up the mind control. Draw it up. And it was so affectionate and so good. And he had no, he literally had no reason to invest in me. He didn't know me from Adam.

He had listened to me three days on the radio. And made his way to the station to be a part of him. And throughout the course, my days in the minor leagues, he was a constant source of information, data, respect, iconic, iconic love, like just high level. And he would always ask, are you having fun? And I would have, there's a stretch where I was the voice of the ABA, and I would call the Utah ABA games.

And without a fail, he would just come. there was always a seat next to me because I was the official voice. And Frank Layden would just walk up and sit down and listen. And if you want pressure, try to call a basketball game with an NBA coach of the year sitting next to you. Would you let you know live in real time too? Oh. Oh, like get it right. Good call.

Like good get. Like he would tell me he would tell me to anticipate but don't guess. Right? He goes, watch it. And then he would say. pacing, pacing. You're the point guard. Point, like, he would say that to you as you're calling it.

And he was, you're the point guard. Set them up. What are they running? And he would just whisper the stuff. And it became a part of how I called games. And it was spectacular. But you, I mean, the pressure of an NBA coach of the year sitting next year, as you call basketball.

He's not acting. I mean, in a great way, I like the owner. He cares about every aspect of that team. He cared. When I got into the executive side of the management side, he would tell me, hey, don't get too many of this kind of player. He would break down and he goes, don't get the 12 best players. Get the 12 guys who can do the things that your coach needs. And our coach was the NBA six man of the year, Ike Austin.

Mike Austin, seven foot. But he was a man, one NBA player, six man of the year was in the top three, you know, for four years. also, you know, a Pat Riley and Frank Layden disciple. So we would go through it. He says, what does I need? What does I need? And then what does he would ask me, what does the fan need to hear? Like, tell them what they can't see.

Like, wait a minute, top of your head popped off. And to have somebody that great and that good pour into you, I try to show some of that to Nick. and allow him to find his way before I stir the pot, right? But Nick has Jay Foreman to sit next to Eric Strickland. He has some people around him that can feed him the compliments of the game. But what I learned more from Frank Layden than anything, and I knew this was going to hit me hard.

I knew this was going to hit me hard. I got the phone call from As a matter of fact, he was the head coach of the CBA franchise in Utah, Scott Fields, and he was the one that gave me the news that Frank had passed away yesterday. And it just, I literally walked outside and I just sat on the bench and sat with the birds and I just had to feel because he was so good. for basketball and so good for sports and so good for coaching and he would have been the same guy had he had he been the guy who made pizza down the street he treated athletes the same way he

treated every single fan that walked into the delta center in salt lake city and no matter I mean, he would go through. If you were in line at the concession stand and Frank Layden saw you, the meal was on him. And I mean for everybody in line. Hot dogs for everybody. I'm not going to be the only fat one here. You guys are going to, yeah.

But he. That's such a rare human being. Like, it just, he was so good. He was so good. Well, especially when you get to that point to where you are that guy. and you refuse to act in that way that says you're better than others. He was the NBA executive of the year in 1984, turning that jazz debacle into the Stockton,

DeMollong, Utah Jazz. Coach of the year in 1984, the NBA All-Star Game head coach, coach the West, coach the Magic Cream. And he talked about that being one of the great moments in his life. you know, and in true Frank Layden fashion in the post game, the Brett Musburger asked him, is this,

is this like the greatest moment of your life, like coaching this all-star team? And he goes, this is pretty good. He goes, my honeymoon was pretty good too, though. He goes, that was fun.

And I'm going to go to Salt Lake City tomorrow morning. And I know. where I'm going, and I know why I'm going. I'm not here without Frank Lee. I'm not here doing sports in Lincoln, Nebraska. The ticket doesn't exist as it currently does without Frank Layton, because the work that, look, and Harrison, you will vouch for this. So listeners will understand.

I have three rules here. beyond time, work hard, and have fun. And that man, that man gave me that no reason to. So all the things that we do should be in that spirit. Coach, make sure that coaching is fun. Make sure that your players are enjoying themselves. Yes, they're going to work hard, but have them respected. Let the fans know that when they show up,

They're going to get a team. We may not be the fastest team, the tallest team, the most athletic team. But do gone it, we're going to show up and we're going to play hard. And if we do it right, it'll be fun. And he turned the New Orleans Jazz into the Utah Jazz that were a Michael Jordan away from a dynasty in the NBA. He was just that good. when they got a WMBA team in 98, the Utah Stars, they refused to name anybody else's head coach.

And so Frank Layton took the reins for two years and led the Natalie Williams, led Utah Stars. And Tammy Reese was there. And to tell you that that starting five that he had for the Utah Stars, are all college coaches. All those women are now college coaches and executives. How big was that for him to hop on the WMBA like that? At a time where people just weren't, people were,

and some people were even mocking it. Listen, you know, and it was tough for him. Like, it was tough. But he wanted to give it credibility. Like, let them use his name. He would be the, again, he would be the clown prince. I think he coached 20 games, maybe five. preseason and 15, 16, 17.

But he could have coach zero. He could have coach zero. And he said, I'm going to do this one to help them pack the place. Because Frank Layton, and they had players. I mean, Tammy Reese was on that Virginia. She was Don Staley's backcourt made of Virginia on that team. And now she's the head coach. She's the head coach.

I want to say host her somewhere. But she's got a program. Natalie Williams is, as a matter of fact, She's the executive. She's the president of the volleyball team in Vegas. The ones that played against the supernova's. Natalie Williams, that's Frank Layton's captain.

His WMBA tree is crazy just for those couple of years. I mean, just again, everything good. There are some trees that grow great. My God, Frank Layton. It's, you know, I'm, this is what. and I know I'm getting old because I'm losing heroes. But it also makes me stop and say thank you. So if you listen to this station, you listen to me anytime at all.

You know I say three things a lot. I need to say them the most every day. The three things I say the most, I say them on purpose. Well, this is appropriate. I say thank you. I love you. And well done. well frank laden coach dog got it thank you i love you well done well done you're listening to one

on one with d p sponsored by mary ellen's food for the soul on 937 the ticket and the ticket fm dot com welcome back one-on-one thank you for allowing me to babble um was frank was worthy. Thomas and Lincoln, thank you, Ken, sir. He says, I would love to hear you call a Nebraska game. It was always interesting because my rhythm, my speaking rhythm, and my inflection is different than a lot of folks that are traditional play-by-play guys. I also was mentored. Again, I mentioned Hot Rod Henley.

He was the first who would do the NBA simulcast, so he called both TV and radio at the same. time. So his call was mutual in that it would land somewhere between the traditional TV call and identifying those things that you cannot see in radio. Right. That's a challenge. Especially being the first one to do it. That's well. And and and when I, when I was in the, when I was in the minors and I mean, I was the voice of CBA. So I literally, I called their entire championship term. Like I called it. I called, yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. It's the thing.

Like when Nick, when Nick calls the state tournament, it's like I understand it. And that's why I get out of the way of it because I've been that guy and I know how to get through. But I don't want to step on toes. And I don't want him to be a mini-mee. I want him to be Nixon because I had execs who allowed me to be me and how I called the game. There was a bit of coach in me in identifying that thing, right? that as I told you didn't break that

Frank Layden would describe the game and I'd ask him if he was a magician. Like are you a, can you see the future? And he says, well, here's the thing. I, you can anticipate because there are rules to the game

and if the players execute the way it's coached, it's going to have the result that I'm expecting. It's only when the player decides to do something outside of what's been coached, or, as he would say, or Michael Jordan, where you're going to see them do a thing that's never been done. Julius Irving, he would often talk about the Julius Irving versus Lakers under the basket and then trying to define how Julius Irvin can make the worst basketball play going baseline against two all NBA defenders and somehow got to the other side of the glass. with a one-handed palm, dipsy-doo, got it to the off side of the glass,

spin it down, and it goes. Iconic. And people today don't want to give them side tangent, but that drives me. People don't get Batman on the credit he deserves. But being able to call that is the responsibility, directional. I need to paint the picture for the person who's calling the game. And listen, I love the way Pavanka calls. I love the, like my, I said when I first, people,

people ask, are you here for the Nebraska jobs? No, I, I wasn't here for any of this. Like, I wasn't here for any of this. But there, there aren't a lot of professional play-by-play people in state of Nebraska. I say that openly, fully, take it whatever way you want. There aren't a lot of people who have called NFL games, NBA games, major league baseball games, pro volleyball games, all of them. Yeah. I mean, they're just aren't. Now, I may not be anybody's, everybody's cup of tea because my identity in this thing is to call the game and to give credit, I need to dress up what the player just did. And sometimes it would require being late to the call, right? Because I need for the play to finish. And I am a huge fan of letting the game, the sounds of the

game, marinate. Yep. Then nothing will drive you nuts more when the announcer misses that moment, especially times when it's really necessary just to hear the game. in the crowd itself. I dance with the PA announcer in the crowd. It is my dance. And I have to learn what the PA announcer's rhythm and what he says so that I can add something else to what comes out of the big speakers, right? He's going to give you basket by Carl Malone. And it's my job to then color because I know that the listener just heard that. And it's, okay, it's 27 for Malone on 13 of 20, 22 shooting. It's a one-point game with 642 left.

And then let it pause, right? And then you're not doing that. You're doing it as the crowd. That as the crowd elevates on the play by Malone, let the crowd announce. Because that's what it's for. You're the listener. You feel that.

You hear it and you feel it. So to do that dance, not everybody wants to do that. They will talk over it. That's fine. Everybody has their own way. Here's my thing. I walk as a professional play-by-play person and therefore respect all play-by-play professionals. I'm never going to criticize or critique a play-by-play professional.

It's too hard. It's a unique club to be it. It is definitely a hard grind. It is a beast. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. I run the board plenty enough for, Nick Sainer when he's going state basketball and no breaks, new roster, new sheets, know the numbers, know the names, know how to pronounce all the last names.

And by the way, you're going to be here all day with new faces and names. Yeah, I've told a story that especially in pockets of the country, because there's different cultural things happening and different sports. Different sports is a Latin America factor that in the minor leagues you have to learn how to cope with and deal with. Calling games in Utah, I had the Polynesian name issue. dance that you had to go through. And ultimately, so imagine having you throw yourself 60 minutes before game,

throwing yourself into the middle of the Polynesian community and asking them to correctly tell me how to pronounce the Polynesian name, the phonetics of it and the dance of it. And then when it's, you know, when it happens and this running back is going to carry the ball 30 times, well, you better, you better get it right. And they take pride in it. So as they're listening and they're at the game, but they're listening to you, because they're not normally getting this sort of amplification. And you better get it right, right, for the high school kid, for the high school family,

mom and dad, grandma and grandma who are listening either on the internet or on the radio, this is their chance to hear their grandson or granddaughter. So get it right. Like, love it the way the people playing at love it. and play, play the game with them, right? Some people are reporters, and they simply go through, and it is checks and balances, box, there's no emotional tie to it,

the dance to it, and the anticipation, corner three, left side, let it link, let it hang. And if you're, you know, and the crowd's, and you go bang, and then you, but here's the thing, the crowd's going to tell you too. Yeah.

Crowd's going to tell you too, right? It's the same time, I don't have to be first. I have to be right. And a part of my issue with some students who are being not taught this stuff, is that unless you've done it in full at the high school, you can't teach the next big name how to be authentically them when you haven't been authentically you. it's really difficult.

And so, but when it's done right, and again, I, you know, I love provoked. Like I love, like,

oh my God, you know, Greg Sharp owned it. Like, he owned it. And so you pay respects and, and, you know,

you go through. And I wish every single play by play voice, every glory. My goodness. I, like, I'm rude for you because I, I know,

I have, like, I'm that way with, you know, people say that I'm a little, too nice with coaches sometimes because I know how difficult it is that you can do everything right as a coach and have things go left. Like you can do everything right and it go left. As an announcer, you can prepare. And then in a moment, you know, the star quarterback who you've done

45 minutes of research and preparation for gets hurt in the second series. And now you've got a backup that you don't know, tendency. You may know something. And it's different. It's much here's the thing that they don't tell you as well. It's harder for Nick Sanders to call a high school game in Lincoln, Nebraska, than it would be for him to call an NBA game in the NBA. Because he's got more help. He's got more information. He's got more resource.

He's got more. You've got people interns who will do the work. You've got spotters who will call it for you. And it's in your head. You don't know what's being said to you. You've got up to date, up to the minute stats now. Like, again, 20 years or 30 years ago, I didn't have the internet to pull. Like, I didn't have a data system that would give me up-to-date stats.

I had to keep them by hand. That's why you'll see old time, old school announcers. They've got their, one of my favorite got, Bob Carpenter, who's with the Nats. He post his score, his scorebook after every game. He post his handwritten with all of his notes, key stats. if you ever want to just smile, you didn't even have to be a Nats fan. But find Bob Carverino from the Nats.

He will post his post game. Like immediately post game, you know, it's a win, seven hits, four runs, but he shows all of his stats, notes, on base, like every little detail, direction, how hard a ball was hit, what pitch did he hit?

It's easier at that level, but you can tell that he was a minor, He was a high school announcer. He was a college announcer. He was a minor league announcer because he's been doing this thing by hand forever. If I were to call a Nebraska game now, I would have to break several decades of habit of writing this stuff down. They'd be handing me the paper.

Did you have like a buddy next to you that would, you know, keep track of that for this? I never did. So the beauty of what, okay, so I don't know if I've ever told you this. So go back to 2002. and the old ABA team. And my thing was that if you were going to call games on the road,

you had to be a team. So you had to people back at the studio. You had to have the box. You had, you know, vector systems, old systems that you know, dial in, phone lines that you had to dial into, which was also its own pain the butt. But I went to a development guy. I went to a data company.

and I asked, shout out to Jared Bronson in Salt Lake City. He was like a geek back in 2000, right? So he's head of the curve. Right. Head of the curb. And I said, here's what I want because most teams didn't want to pay the numbers that it would take to broadcast every game in the minor leagues. They don't want to pay that money. I said, there's got to be a way for me to take this broadcast system with me.

and just plug in to a phone line and headset and call the game. And I don't need a play-by-play guy, but it was me and my producer. Like he was the data. He would sit there. We would download all the commercials. Like this is why this is stuff that when I see it now, I'm ahead of it because back in 2002, my broadcast system was a laptop. And he had downloaded this incredible console onto the,

the laptop and nobody else in the league was doing it. We're doing that. We do that today here at the ticket DP. That guy's crazy ahead of this time. Bro, we were, but this is why, this is why I was the voice to the league because nobody could, nobody else had this laptop and nobody else had this producer who could do. And

we, so then they get you, the commissioner to lead asked me to do a weekly show that we would stream out and broadcast back in 2004 this week in the ABA live. What was the producer's name again? Jared Bronson.

shout out Jared Bronson. Former Navy SEAL dude. Oh, there you go. But he and I, he was my road dog. So for the five years that I was the voice of minor league sports, because other teams start finding out how to do this. Yeah. And this is how the Clippers found because the summer league for the ABA was in Los Angeles.

And they were scouting players. And they would come in and the Sterling family was like, well, wait a minute. How are they doing that? Like that's the broadcasting. Like normally. It's two guys in a laptop. It's just two guys in a laptop and headphones. And we would put all the commercials in.

And of course, I would live read commercials all the time. It was a beautiful thing. But it just wasn't being done. And it's evolved into that. But back 2004, 2005, Jared Bronson, ABA Live. The ABA had it. And then the CBA did the same thing. thing. And then the, when the D-League started, when the D-League started, they brought us in because

they wanted us, they wanted a laptop for every D-League team back before it was the G-League. And part of my issue was we were running things at an NBA level. And I went on this tirade that if you're going to run minor league sports, you need to run it like a pro franchise. And the best thing that would happen for minor league basketball is for the NBA to take it over and run it the way the NBA would run. And the D League happened. I was part with Brandon Anderson and Utah. That was amazing. And then the D League involved merged in and became the G League that it is.

Yeah, I did not hear that story. I can imagine how that would kind of break the media landscape for a little bit. And that's why I had to ask for your producer's name again because. Yeah, you're putting all that money. You're getting all these massive crews together, all that equipment, and then you're just seeing two dudes with one laptop. You will see. I'll show you a picture of us.

As a matter of fact, the Rocky Mountain Review, the NBA Summer League back then, we were the first ones that you used the laptop to broadcast. Were you aware of like how big it was at the moment? I was, oh, it was totally badass because the NBA hired me and Jared to go out and announce the NBA Summer League. We did every NBA Summer League game for three years. Back then, the Summer League was in Long Beach, California, at the pyramid, the Long Beach State deal.

As a matter of fact, that's where I met Rock Lloyd. Right. Where does Boone come in all this? Because it was like your first. Well, Geron was on the ABA team in Utah. Okay, that's the connection. Okay. Geron Boone, Tony Farmer, Tony Farmer, when we were on the road,

For the Utah snow bears, ABA, Tony Farmer was my roommate. And his, the other roommate that I had on the road was Alex Austin, father of Baylor, seven-footer, Isaiah Austin. Okay. Bro, it is, like when I tell you that the world, it's just. But everyone ended up in that place at the right time. Well, it is, it's a core of how things work. And when I try to explain to people that there are very few things in sports that I haven't seen, because I've seen a version of it and then the evolve.

version of it and then developed a version of it and then the current version of it and then that helps me see the next version of it and that's what happens that's what happens and speaking of we'll talk about the next version and i'll go the next version we'll talk about that when we come back you're listening to one-on-one with dp brought you by canopy street market on 937 the ticket and the ticket fm dot com oh mike Thank you, kind, sir. Kind words on the text line. Appreciate it.

Kempskar, always good, always good to have you hang out. But yeah, that Internet, first minor leagues that were putting the games on the Internet direct to their website for traffic and money to consume and keep all of the revenue, which was crazy. And it cut the cost because it was only a two-man crew rather than the nine or ten that, the NBA team, NBA teams were used. Yeah, and you show me the break just for proof. Like I saw them. It's literally, I'd be so upset if I was like a big time station like he has been seeing it. And then just seeing, how are these guys being the first ones to get it on the internet with just a laptop, headset and two dudes?

And they picked it up and then we learned how to share the feed with the radio stations. So we would broadcast from the internet. We'd travel the country and then we would send it back to our station in Utah. And or, you know, to whatever other city that we were playing it. So it was, it was, yeah. I mean, it was ground, but we're doing that. Again, I have to keep saying, we're doing that in 2025. That was 21 years ago.

Brough, it is every now, like I, like I, again, sometimes I forget how crazy stuff has been. I want to read this so you understand this craziness that is. NIL go. NIL go. It is actually a thing. Yeah, I had to put out a memorandum. Yeah, memorandum that the NCAA issued two separate documents, adjusting the impact of the House settlement otherwise.

But NIO Go will be the clearinghouse for agreements, NIL agreements between collectives, athletes, and universe. And it is setting for the standard for any deal above $600. Any deal above $600. That's pretty much, I mean, you're talking football. players, I shouldn't say, just puts just about everybody on the table there for 600. That's not the massive amount. Right. That's an appearance that's shoot it like, it's the whole thing. And the rules of engagement is, it says, according to the majors to efficiently, efficiently clear,

legitimate third party NIL deals with a total value, a total value of $600 or more, reflect the true market dynamics for NIO deals without arbitrary value regulations and support enforcement schools and student athletes following the approval of the House settlement. Part of the deal of the process. They will. Schools will initially determine the association of payers, i.e., whether they are associated entities or individuals to the university, to determine where the fair market value assessment is required. In doing so, schools will use several criteria, such as whether the entity slash individual

exists primarily to support the athletics program, provides exclusive NILIILI, opportunities for the school or contributes more than $50,000 over a lifetime and employees or own certain roles tied to the school or associated entities. Part two, valid business purpose verification. Next, schools will determine whether payers intent is to use the student's NIL to legitimately advance business objectives. On payer level, the school will verify the payer's identity and intent. And on the deal level, the school will review the details of the NIL deal.

and any supporting documents for purpose of flagging any issues. Third, range of compensation analysis, finally. The clearinghouse will use a 12-point analysis to assess whether the compensation aligns with similarly situated individuals and comparable NIL deals. This range of compensation analysis will apply solely to third-party NIO deals with associated entities, collectives, or individuals using historical deal data

involving both college and professional athletes as benchmarks and excluding roster value and recruiting incentives. Deloitte will assess factors such as athletic performance, social media presence, local and institutional market size, which means you can't just pay somebody and bury them, right? They actually have to be somebody of note with name. And brand influence to determine the fair market value of each individual student-athletes deal.

Upon completion of the process, The clearinghouse will communicate the status of each individual deal as either cleared, in review, information needed, or deny. If a student athlete's deal falls into either of the latitude categories, either a not clear, the student athlete has four options. They may renegotiate and resubmit the items to the deal, proceed at risk of eligibility consequences, student athlete's deal instead allowing the student athlete to make his own decision to accept the deal with the understanding that they risk eligibility. And when I tell you, when I tell you out loud for the collectives that are in play, this is a gut punch.

This is. Well, I think they say in there at some point, too, like they're trying to get some more information from these schools. And they're, they're just not hearing back from them. So it kind of tells you exactly what you're saying. They're in a tight spot right now because they don't even want to. talk back knowing that they know they got a problem on their hand. Because deals have been done.

Exactly. And collectives, these collectives, the power swing is happening. It's happening. They stated in the House settlement, though. That's why I'm a little bit, you know, maybe I shouldn't be surprised. But in the House settlement, they said what the College Sports Commission was going to do an NIL go and how this is going to be enforced more. They didn't believe you.

They didn't believe. Insanity, did not take that seriously. Well, you know, all I'm saying is imagine being an unattached entity who could provide legitimate, fair value, business deals, not just for the sake of donation, but to actually teach them a business trade that has market value, literally trackable, compliant, trackable business deals. Hmm. Hmm. Do we know anybody? Do we know anybody? Do we know anybody who could set up student athletes in a valid, compliant business situation outside of collective and university? If you know of anybody, hit your boy up. Let me know. Y'all be good. Ticket weeknights. Coming up, Harrison and the gang will take you through. Y'all be good. Please.