2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer - 2 Bears 5K Champ Cameron Hanes | 2 Bears, 1 Cave

Episode Date: May 20, 2024

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All right. We are back. We're in the Los Angeles studio. Joining us today is somebody who is built like us, thinks like us, works like us. Double gang. He's, he's a total doppelganger. We're trying to get him more motivated. And that's what today's all about. Just getting this guy on the right track. We have the same interests, not the same activities. Give it up for cam Hanes.. Let them hear it. Not all at once now. You gotta be fucked up today. I know you're sore.

Oh, yeah, that was a test. It was a test, but you just, you know, when you tunnel vision like we are, we're built different. Yeah, for sure. And when you're built different, you just, you know, achieve the goal, whatever it is. Exactly, exactly. It was,'re built different, you just achieved the goal, whatever. Exactly, exactly.

Let's be real here. It was a total thrill. Like I told you, I'd sent you that text. We were elated that you joined us. Everybody was geeked to have you there. So thank you so much for coming. I was honored to be there because it was, that was, and I said it in a post this morning,

I've been to a lot of races. That was one of the, or was the most well organized start finish just environment that I've ever been part of. It's such a fun group. Everybody was in a great mood. It was unreal. But then you had like, you had this crazy variety that you wouldn't normally get at a normal race. Because you had Jelly Roll there, who is this phenom, had you guys there that people have been following you along on your fitness journey. normal race, you know, because you had Jelly Roll there, who is this phenom, had you guys there,

that people have been following you along on your fitness journeys. Yes, sure. And so that has given, inspired so many people. So it was like this, it was just this weird, I don't know, it was different. And then you there, and I'm sorry, your friend, I just forgot her name.

Kat. Kat was there. Yeah, Kat Bradley. Who was awesome. Yeah, she's a stud. She was having- It's creepy when I go, I meet her and she introduces herself, I go, I follow you on Instagram. She's like, what?

And I go, I follow a lot of ultra marathoners. And she's like, why? And I went, nevermind. She was awesome. Yeah, what I always say about those girls, cause I really love training with Cat, Courtney, Sally McCray, I don't know if you guys know her. She's Yellow Runner.

Those girls, it's weird because guys, we have these egos, we always want to talk about we're bad asses or like show that we're tough. They are so fucking tough, but they trick you because they're so cool, chill. Because like ultra runner girls are kind of like little like kind of free, not hippies, but kind of free spirit. But then just complete savages

when it comes to like running in the mountains. And you're like a guy, he will want to break you and know that, and you know that that's kind of the deal with men. Yeah, I'm better than you. It's a test, it's a test, always a test. It's competition. I broke a bunch of men yesterday.

Right, exactly. It's fun when you pass someone and then they go, wait, you're It's a test, always a test. It's competition. I broke a bunch of men yesterday. Right, exactly. It's fun when you pass someone and then they go, wait, you're passing me? Yeah, yeah. I love it, it's a good feeling. You know what that's called, Goggins calls that? Taking souls. You took souls yesterday.

I took a bunch of souls on that back fucking last mile. I was fucking flying. Where were you? I was flying, I was doing like around an eight minute, sub eight minute mile on the down, cause it's downhill. And I know my stride and I know my pace. And I was like, and I did 11 the first mile

and then 10 ish at the side. All I know is I was at 15 at half halfway point. Girl fell down, blew out her knee. And so I sat with her for three minutes and I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, you're fucking up my time. She was like, thank you for sitting with me. I was like, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Taylor was a guy filming for me, and he goes, cause he goes, you had music playing, right? And I go, yeah, I had earbuds. He goes, yeah, you ran past Jelly Roll, and he was like, Tom, I wanna finish with you. And he goes, he goes, Tom. And he goes, yeah. It kind of bothered Jelly a little bit. I didn't hear anything.

You took this race so fucking serious. Well, here's the thing, man. Okay, so I did, I did, my sister signed me up for a Turkey Trot Thanksgiving Day when I was in, for Florida. So I had no idea really how to prepare. And there's actually great apps that are like, oh, you wanna do your first, you know, so.

Couch to 5K. Yeah, to 5K thing. And it was like, you know, it starts you off like, hey, run for a minute and then walk for eight. And you're like, what? But then when you start doing week by week, it really does change. Well, I'm doing it, it's a 10 week program.

Seven weeks out, I break my big toe, right? And basically when you break a big toe, they just go, it'll heal in four to six weeks. You can't run on it. You just gotta like, so, you know, the first few weeks, I'm just, I have a, wore a boot for a few days and then you're just kind of walking and you're easing into it.

So I heal up like a week before. I get in a few runs and I'm like, well, I guess I'm doing it Thanksgiving Day and I do it my only goal on Thanksgiving Day was like just don't stop Right, like just was it a 5k. There's a 5k. Yeah, just try to like really good. I go just don't walk I just want to run and I was trying to keep my pace up and I was just you know, I was running with this group and I ran it in 32 32 and change and I was running with this group and I ran it in 32, 32 and change and I was like, well, and my other goal was just to beat my best friend from high school who was like, I'm

going to beat your ass. And I was like, no, you're not. Right? Like we were just talking about. Wasn't he dying from cancer? That was a few years ago. So he's- I just want to beat this cancer patient.

Yeah. Listen, he's fine. He's deaf now, but he's fine. So I beat him and I was like, I made him give me the money in front of people. I tried to humiliate him and then, you know, just being a friend. So my goal coming up to this one was like,

I just want to beat my Thanksgiving Day time. And I mean, look, this was like, I mean, we had a lot of time to do it. It was race day and everything, it's humbling. He took this very serious. Well, I mean, I trained. He worked with Zach Bitter. Well, Zach was telling me,

I think, I don't remember if I got to tell you this, that I was really fascinated that to really get your heart rate or your cardio better, what everyone tells you, Zach, and if you read the running articles, it's all about zone two training. But when your cardio isn't great. You're in like zone eight.

Bro, and the thing is, if you're, so what would happen is I go, well, I can run, let's say, I feel like I can run a casual in my mind, like 10, 11 minute mile. But what I don't realize is when I'm doing that, my heart rate is in zone five. And like, so then I go, well, how do I run zone two? Well, I look, I realized I gotta be running

like a 13 minute slow. And they're like, that's what you gotta do. And you gotta do it over time. And then over time, your zone two will take place at a lower speed or a faster speed, right? So a lower pace. And as I'm doing that, I'm like, oh, this sucks. Cause it's really shitty feeling to be like,

I'm running this slow ass mile. So anyways, I'm doing some outdoor running, but we're traveling all the time. And sometimes we're not in ideal weather places or whatever. So I'm doing treadmill too, which is different. It's different. You figure out later that like, I mean, for me,

I go like, oh, this is, okay, this is easier. Like once you go like, this is easier. You don't have to propel yourself. Right. You just go up and it goes like this. It works a different set of muscles actually. I found that out the hard way. Yeah.

But I only ran treadmill. Only ran treadmill. And then I go out to do a race and I'd be like, oh fuck, all I've been doing really is catching myself. Lifting your foot up. Yeah, catching myself. So it's all the front muscles, all my back muscles, the ones that would propel me were underdeveloped. I found myself, well, so race starts

and first of all, having, you know, 10.45 start, my fucking hot sun was out. Also, anxiety's building because you have like all this time going by, you're like, come hot, sun was out. Also, anxiety's building, because you have all this time going by. You're like, come on, let's go. I put up that clip and people are noticing you were so serious, in the back, because Travis Barker was there, me and Truett,

and you were right there too. And he's checking his watch, getting the head. Well, somebody came up, some press person came up to me and they're like, I go go get the fuck out of here Yeah, I was trying to focus but I also found man like a couple minutes into the race Yeah, I was like man. This is way harder that up really that uphill was like that was a struggle for me, man Yeah, it was started off uphill slightly and then that little jog we had to do. Yeah. Yeah, so that that part I was like, you know, we come back down, but I was like, I could,

I wasn't even looking, but I just knew, I was like, man, my heart rate is fucking up. You never looked at it? I didn't look at it. Truett's got to 194. I don't know what you guys just get to, but, cause he was pushing hard, but 194, it's like, that's red line.

Yeah, that's red lining for sure. No, I was- I love getting my heart rate up there. It makes me know I'm not gonna die. I do, we do a thing. Cardiologists might disagree. From Lance Armstrong, it's an acid bath where you get on the fucking,

you get on the salt bike for a minute, as many calories as you can do. And when you're done, you're going, huh, huh, huh, huh. That's how I felt at the finish line, by the way. So that's how I did too. People were like, can't, can't, and they wanted a picture. I'm just like, give me a sec.

I mean, I always thought I was going to freaking pass out. There was a lady on the approach to the finish line who came up to me with a mic and I was like, ah, like I just made a gasp. I was like, crazy. My dad, my dad's a legit, his whole life was a legit runner. Like you really honestly, marathons. If I call my dad on the phone right now, he can still give you exact times, it splits,

like he remembers all of it. He told me yesterday, he goes, my fastest 5K was like 16 minutes, 17 minutes. It's good. And so when I- That's fantastic. That's running. Yeah, oh, my dad was, run marathons in, you know,

low three, three hour, you know. And so, he would run six minute miles for running a marathon. It's pretty good, so that's under three. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, my dad was like, legit, it's all he did. I don't know what he was running from. Yeah.

Everyone's running from something. You know- His kids. I used to- He's like so much regret. what he was running from. Everyone's running from something. His kids. I used to- He's like so much regret. Cam, I used to have to go out to those fucking marathons and be his pace guy with my uncle. So like we'd go out and have water for him and everything and have snacks for him and we'd meet him at places.

So I spent my whole childhood going to fucking marathons and never ran one. We'd all run Turkey trots when we were kids, but my dad was laughing so hysterically at Tom, because he's like, I go, yeah, his trainer's gonna pace him, and he was like, it's a 5K. And he was like, what's he pacing him?

He was trying to break 30 minutes. And Tom, my dad goes, hold on, hold on. He can't run a 10 minute mile by himself? And I said, well, he doesn't run. Like if you run, you know, when you run, there's something also that happens is that those first miles are hard, but the last ones are like, let's get it fucking over.

And that's where you push yourself. That's called, it's like with horses, it says they're barn sour. So they go away from the barn slow. You turn around, the horse knows, oh, we're going back they're barn sour. So they go away from the barn slow. You turn around the horse knows, Oh, we're going back to the barn. It's like double time. Yeah. So you get a little barn soured in a race where you're, when you're heading home.

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Our last mile, or like the part of the final mile, we were running a nine minute, like around sub nine. You were cruising. You were cruising again. And so anyway, I ended up doing two minutes less. I did it in 30. 30? 30 yesterday. Really good.

Oh, you were trying to get under 30 though. I was trying to get under 30. Yeah, but you, so you still improved though. I improved, I cut two minutes off. That's it. You know, I was talking to a Huberman about this a couple of days ago and I was saying, it's crazy how when you start off running a 5K,

you finished 5K and you're like, fuck. Yeah. That was, and then you're like, well, I wonder if I could do a 10K. Then you do a 10K. And then you do a half marathon. Then you do a marathon. Then you do a 50K, then a 100K, then a 100 mile. And it's like, I wonder if I could do a 10K. Then you do a 10K. And then you do a half marathon. Then you do a marathon. Then you do a 50K, then a 100K, then a 100 mile.

And it's like, it's the same, you're the same person. How the fuck was 5K your max? And now, cause people, everybody starts at a 5K. And then now some people are running 100 and 200 miles. Same, same body. It's up here though, right? I mean, obviously your body has to make adjustments. You have to be more efficient, that's the thing,

because when you're not efficient, that's when your heart rate skyrockets. Talk about efficiency and running, this is fascinating, and I know this from my dad. Efficiency and running, a lot of people, same with swimming, a lot of people don't know how to swim, but if you know how to run, you know it's not, when you watch Cam run, it's really pretty,

because your arms aren't making, you're like almost like dancing a little bit. Like you have a good, you have great arm. My dad, my dad's seen videos of you run and goes, God, I love his fucking stride. God, I love his fucking stride. But you really glide when you run. Yeah. It's a, you watch, you watch like those pro runners and their head isn't even moving. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's just like so efficient. And that's why some, even elite marathon runners can have,

you'd think they'd be shredded. They're so efficient, they still have a little fat on their belly. Really? Yeah. I mean, they don't have a six pack, but because if you're running on a flat road and you're that efficient, it's- What does it translate?

What does efficiency mean? It's, I mean, less work. So they're not- They're not working as hard, right. If somebody who's struggling like this, they're working their ass off. You were struggling yesterday. You're not struggling, but your body was moving in ways-

No, for sure. Yeah, so when, it's like, when you're tins and, so they say, it goes all the way down to wearing sunglasses Because if you squint that's taking energy From your body sure so it's that's just a measure of how efficiency plays in to be in the because I've heard this Like all this talk about efficiency with sprinters, right? Yeah, you get into elite sprinting The coaches are are down to like micro movements to not waste the energy, like you said,

on a facial muscle. And they train for these hundred meter guys that just blaze down there. It's a hundredth of a second difference. So it's like those little things make, they add up. But yeah, especially like when you talk to Zach Bader or the guys who do the ultras, like the girls we talked about, efficiency is so key

because to be able to sustain that pace, not falter, even when you're burning calories and hydration and everything the whole time, it's difficult. But the people who are the best are the most efficient. When did you like think, did you always have a goal for ultra stuff or were you like, I feel like most people with running go like, a marathon is a goal.

Did you do one and then go, I wish I think I could do another, a further run? Yeah, it's just like how I explained. You start at one thing and then you just want to test yourself more. You did. So once you do it, I mean, I even heard Jelly yesterday say he wants to do a half marathon.

Yeah, dude. Committed with it. He's the one that like was like really yapping about it. Yeah. So that's, that was with me too. It's just like you, you did it. Then you're like, God, wonder what I'm capable of.

And so then it's just that still chasing that. What's my limit? Yeah. That's what we all kind of want to find is what's our actual limit. I haven't found it yet, but it's like, that's kind of the game. And it's not, it's not really, in my opinion, it's not physical, it's a mental thing.

Well, that's what I, I mean, the thing that, you know, you, when we watch like a Goggins and you, the thing that I always think about, I'm like, this guy's just so mentally tough. Like that your mental toughness is, and it's actually, it's really fun to be around. Because I feel like, you know, when you're like're like when you do comedy one of the most fun things is to hang around with comedians and what happens is like when you hang around for a while everybody's joking you're joking you're laughing and you leave there kind of feeling better about comedy and yourself in comedy I think when you hang around like really mentally tough people you know you take a little of that with you

Yeah, you know, I mean you just you kind of go like oh this person is it's good for you It's good to be around it. It's the old adage about you know, the five people you hang around It's yeah. So if those people are elite runners You're if they're a comedian you can be you're gonna pick shit up. You are. Yeah, you're just good It's just you're around it your conversations are different things you think about talk about how you carry on in a daily life It's different and then it all leads to whatever that goal is. Yes. Also, there's there's a thing and I'm I Can't I can't speak for you, but I know that like when you have his fitness level and he he looks at 12 miles,

the way we look at like two. Say we're gonna do a 5K in the hotel, and you're like, you know, I'm gonna walk the first mile, get some emails. When he starts running, your first three miles have to be like a little loosening up and being like, okay, now we're in there. And then once your brain clicks over

and you get that runner's high and you are like, your breathing's right. I, I, I watch, cause I know you'd run a half marathon every, or a marathon every day at lunch, right? Yeah. Yeah. There was, there was times when I do that. Yeah.

I, the, it's like inconceivable to most people. Yeah. It's just like, but when you but when you spend time around Goggins, around Courtney, it doesn't seem inconceivable. You know, like in my previous life, essentially, before I'd done that, yeah, I'd be like, what? It'd be, that's not even possible. Nobody could do that.

But then you start, I like telling the story about Courtney because Kat, who was here yesterday with us, she ran great, but her and Courtney were roommates one time at this running camp in Europe. And I'm not going to get the details all right, but they were running as part of the running camp because sometimes like Solomon or Kat's Brooks running, or they have these running camps for their sponsored athletes. So they were on the same team in Europe and

they were running 50k a day. So 31 miles a day and you know, all pro runners. So they're putting in the miles, right? Well, Kat said, she's like, me and Courtney were roommates. And she goes, we do the run, come back for meetings, dinner, everybody then go and go to bed. Courtney would go, go out running. Go out running at night? At night. So the 31 miles wasn't enough. That's why she is who she is.

It's just, just grind. So, and I asked her like, and she'll never talk about her training really. I don't even know how many you know Miles a week she runs she underplays everything just her demeanor is so like chill And I said so I heard a rumor that you would go running at night And you know after you guys did the 50k she's like oh, yeah, but it was not not not much You know and I'm like well how many miles and he's like, you know five to seven miles

She said so it's like that's significant after you know, five to seven miles, she said. So it's like, that's significant after you've already done 31. And, but anyway, so when you hear stuff like that, then you think about what you're doing differently. And it's just, that's just what happens. How was adapting for you from going from like 5K, 12K, you know, or 10K, half a minute, like was the adapting process of getting yourself there

a pretty gradual, slow thing? Or did you have to hit new gears mentally to do that? Yeah, it's your body adapts, just like we talked about. Your body does change. And I mean, Joe even talks about stuff like this. He'll talk about like the Mongolian archers. Their bones, because they were pulling such heavy bows back, their bones would get thicker, their body would change.

So your body does change. I said it's the same body that had a hard time doing a 5K and is doing 100 mile, but it does change over this time. That's the incredible thing about a human body is we can adapt. And I always say, your body gets used to what you ask of it. If you don't ask much, it's not gonna give you much. If you ask a lot, it's gonna give you a lot.

So that's all it is. It's like, it does change. It takes time, like there's always, when you start like doing that and testing your body differently, you can get injured. There can be things going on, but you really dial in your diet. You really dial in all these little things

that allow your body to flourish and get stronger. Did your body composition itself change a lot from your early days to? Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. It's like, you know, it's- He looked Puerto Rican when we first saw him. Have you ever seen early pictures of Cam Haines? No.

He looks Puerto Rican. Yeah, I actually don't. Pull up an, or young, you ran with, who were you running next to, Lance Armstrong? Pull up Puerto Rican Cam Haines. Yeah. But Cam's like a totally different human being now. Yeah.

You were skinny. Yeah, there was a time, so when I ran with Lance in Boston, that was 2008. No, I don't really mean. Pfft. Puerto Rican Cam Haines. Oh, there we go. I ran with Lance in 2008 in the Boston Marathon. So that was 16 years ago. And I went, like right, yeah, there we go. I ran with Lance in 2008 in the Boston Marathon.

So that's 16 years ago. And I went like right, yeah, there's a picture of it right there. Down to the right, down, down, over to the right one more. That's Lance. Right? Does he not look like Puerto Rican? Puerto Rican campaigns. Yeah.

So that was 2008. I weighed like 150 pounds. And now? 170, a little over 170. So I was thinking, well, to be my best runner, I gotta be light. Yeah, sure. And so I was like, all I was doing was run 20 miles a day.

That was before I had even done, let me think, I'd even done 100 mile or at that time. But I thought I needed to be light. So I got down to 150 and I just, I couldn't, because I still hunt and if I kill a bull elk, I got to pack, you know, a lot, hundreds of pounds. I just wasn't, I was more frail. So I'm like, oh shit, this isn't going to work. So then I went and started running less, got up to 190, but muscle. And then I couldn't run. I wasn't efficient on that. So now where I'm at now is like the best of us worlds.

And prior to you running these ultra kind of distances, or even like before your marathon days, like when you were a half marathon runner, were you still at the like 150-ish range? No, I was probably a little heavier. I just wasn't in that good of shape at that time. Okay. You know, I would run,

like I would run a half marathon slower than we ran the first half of Boston. Really? So I just got better over the years. You just get, you figure out what it takes. What's also weird is, and I think the race you sign up for is the race you do in your head. Meaning, if you sign up for a marathon,

you're gonna do a half marathon extremely easy. But if you sign up for a half marathon, you'll do the 5K very easy. And all of a sudden, a half marathon becomes very long at six miles, but a marathon becomes very long at 13 miles, but 22 miles, marathon's a fucking. Yeah. I'm not gonna say on our show anymore,

but like, that was the point where people start, your body starts giving out. Like people's legs start seizing up and people shit themselves and you said something. You see that guy the other day? Davis Clark, he shit himself. It went viral. On a run?

Yeah, and I had commented on this post, I said nobody cares shit harder. And he ran, it was Boston, and he videoed, he got at the end, he videoed himself with shit running down his legs. Holy cow. Did you see the chick pull over to the side, pull her pants over to the side, and shit in the street?

Oh yeah, I did. I saw that. Really? Dude, shitting, you were talking about having to go to the bathroom when you start. So this is like race talk, I love this shit. Because when you run a marathon, I mean, maybe 100 yards out,

they have a ton of porta potties. Because what happens is, everyone has to shit the second they start the marathon. Everyone has to piss the second they start everything. And that happened to you yesterday. Well, like also, I mean, I'm a all day water coffee guy. Like it was pretty much what's in me.

So you always have to piss. I always gotta pee. And I always think, and then like, you know, at shows, like I get to a show, you know, you're hanging out in the green room like this. I mean, I might go pee eight times before the show, right? And there's always like that last one right before you go. I just like, you know, it's just a constant thing.

So I didn't, you know, the day before I hydrated well, and then morning of, I'm not like overdoing it, you know? I had a little coffee, drinking some water, and we have like hours to kill. So whatever, I hit the head a few times, and then it's like, all right, let's walk over. And I went one more time, we're standing around, and I just get in,

I go, fuck, I gotta pee and they're like, and here we go, three, oh god damn it. So we start to run. There's nothing worse than having to piss when you're running. Right when you start too. I was like, this is exactly when I wanna pee. So we get in the run and then I'm just distracted.

I don't think about peeing because I'm distracted by like how hard I'm working to run. And when we get done, I was actually gonna go in and they're like, oh, Jelly and Bert are coming up in a few minutes. Okay. We, you know, you guys come through, we celebrate. And it's like, like, let's head in now.

Well, then we're like, let's walk into the stadium. And I remember we were walking in and it was still kind of like the, you know, the party of like, oh, we're here now. Now let's like get this thing started. And I kind of don't think about it. Then I get in the cold tub and I was like, man, I got to piss, I'm not gonna piss in this tub.

It's hard to piss in a cold tub. Yeah, I was like, but I was like, I do have to pee. Then I get out and I'm like talking to this person, pictures, I forget. And then we go through the entire experience. And as we're walking back, I turned to Zolo and I go, I had to piss since the race. He goes, that was four hours ago.

And I was like, I don't know what happened. Like my body just like shut off the notification that like I got to pee. and then it was one of the most enjoyable pisses of my life. I bet. Yeah. Summer requires extraordinary hydration that's built for every day dehydrating moments. Liquid IV hydrates you with the benefits of electrolytes, essential vitamins, and clinically tested nutrients. With three times the electrolytes of the leading sports drink plus eight vitamins and nutrients in a single stick. It's clear why Liquid IV is the number one powdered hydration brand in America. Hydration is so important to me especially when I'm partying. I like to

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your first order when you shop better hydration today using promo code CAVE at liquidiv.com. I love this. I love introducing and I'm by no stretch of the means like a real race guy, but like I do love them. And I love that we introduced it to a group of people that normally wouldn't do it. And now they're kind of into it. Yeah. I said this to you. Your accessibility, meaning like what you perform at is, I think a lot of people go, I'll never get there.

I think a lot of people look at me and Tom go well those fat fucks can do it Yeah, and so the people that were there yesterday were like I mean yeah They could have fucking sold a dickload of blood pressure medicine That play running shoes and running shoes. Yeah, cuz and seeing jelly out there that gives so many people hope you know what I mean He got out there, he did it. And it's just like, that's like, he's gonna impact more people than I could, than you could, because there's a lot of people who think

that's so unrealistic for me, because you guys are active and everybody kind of knows that now. So it's not a shock to see you do a 5K. To see Jelly, who they're figuring probably hasn't run much, to see him do it and then smiling in like all the positive affirmation. And he was so positive. Yeah, and it's like, that's gonna change,

who knows how many lives. You know, he's obviously very well known and he was saying that he dropped 70 pounds and then, but I was running into people all day. I lost 25 pounds. Right. I lost 50 pounds. Some guy came up to us, he's like, I lost 25 pounds. I lost 50 pounds.

Some guy came up to us, he's like, I lost 250 pounds. I was dying to know what he looked like before. I'm sure it wasn't great, but there was a- And he did it. By the way, there was no better feeling than when I was like meeting people. And I was like, how'd you do? And if they were younger than me and like leaner than me

and their time was slower than mine, I would smile so big. I'd go, that's good. were younger than me and like leaner than me and their time was slower than mine. I would smile so big. I'd go, that's good. Congratulations, man. Good for you. And then I met one guy who was in a fucking, like a mascot suit. Yeah, the bear.

Yeah, and he was like kinda out of shape. He did it twice. He goes, I did it twice. I go, well, what was your time? He goes, 26. I go, how the fuck did you do that? He goes, I'm 23 twice. I go, well, what was your time? He goes, 26. I go, how the fuck did you do that? He goes, I'm 23. I was like, oh, okay.

That helps. Yeah, yeah. That helps, that suit looked hot as hell too. I was like, you ran it in this? Those people make me so angry. I know. When they run it, there was a guy that beat me in the LA Marathon who was in a Big Bird suit.

There was a guy with a tuba. The guy with a tuba. He played the tuba the whole fucking race. There was a guy, there was a kid with MS that beat me and his dad, his Mexican family, his dad ran with him in jeans, jeans and just work boots and ran with him and they lapped me twice. Like I'd try to take their souls.

Yeah, no. Then they'd fucking smoke my soul. There was some impressive, there was some impressive, I mean besides you guys, there were some other people there that were like, I was just fucking flying. Your asshole son ran it with jeans on. Which I basically, I saw you guys the day before, and I'd seen that before, so I said it as a joke.

I go, what are you gonna run into tomorrow? And he's like, I hope 18. And I was like, well it doesn't count if you're not in jeans. And he was like, okay. And then? And he's like, I hope 18. And I was like, well, it doesn't count if you're not in jeans. And he was like, okay. And then he shows up in jeans. I touched them. They were real jeans.

And he was like. I think he was like kind of waffling on Shorter jeans. But once you said that, we saw him at the whatever that. Yeah, the Oaks. The Oaks. Yeah, so then he's like, no, I told Tom I was gonna wear jeans. And I couldn't believe it.

I was like, this is a joke, right? And he went, no, I told Tom I was gonna wear jeans. And I couldn't believe it. I was like, this is a joke, right? And he went, no. And he ran good. I mean, he ran like, I think 1806 was it or 12, 1812. That's fucking quick. Pretty fast. When I got, when I was doing it. 1812, looking like a green beret that just lost his gear.

And you're like, I mean, your son. He's jacked. Bro, he looks like an underwear model. And he ran it like I mean, like your son. He's jacked. He looks like an underwear model. And then he ran it like he was at the bar and some chick gave him a booty call. And she was like, hey, can you come over here in 10 minutes? And he was like, yeah, I got it, I'll be right back.

Yeah, you're only three miles, be there in 18 minutes. That was unreal, dude. That's so impressive. I only, my only regret is not touching his hands. I didn't focus on his hands. Why? Because his hands are fucking shredded

from fucking goddamn pull. He does them in oven mitts now, I think. He on his hands. Why? Because his hands are fucking shredded. From the lubs? From fucking goddamn pull, he does them in oven mitts now I think. So he's the pull-up king, right? Yeah. He did 8124 hours. Do you worry, because I worry that my lifestyle- That we will beat that record?

Oh, what were you gonna say? My lifestyle's permeated my daughter's in many ways and in my mentality and some, I don't want them to have the work thing I have where I'm like obsessed with work, but like your kids get the shit you give them. Do you ever think about like, shit, I can't escape this killer mentality. I have it, my dad gave it to me, I got it.

And then I gave it to my kids. You ever like go, man, I know you probably don't go, I wish I had kids that played video games, but do you ever go, I wish I didn't give them all that hunger. Yeah, to be honest, it's hard. So like the path he's going down, the world record pull ups is like,

you can't just show up and kind of get through a, you gotta make big stuff, hard stuff. And that's exhausting. So I said, you got, I'm 56 now, he's 27. And I'm like, you got 30 more years of hard shit. It's, that's a lot. And I worried with my other son who went and was the ranger, because I had like,

I thought I had fucked up like raising kids. I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but I'm like, I'd always tell, because I had like, I thought I had fucked up like raising kids. I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but I'm like, I'd always tell them, I'm like, if you're average, you're a failure. I love that, I love that. I know, but then, so if your kid has a good job,

an important job that the community needs, but they're not like this elite, whatever, they feel like a failure. And so I had to say, I said, I had to say is like, there's nothing wrong with having a regular job. There's nothing wrong, you know, after, after they had already had been through all the shit that I had said, like, look around,

see all these people at the movie theater, right? And I'd be like, all these people, we don't wanna look like those people. Those people are average. And then I was just like. You see Bert, you see Tom? All right, see these guys? You don't want to look like this.

So I was like, God, what the fuck? What was I thinking? Because not everybody has to be this freak. No, but what you were, you know that is coming from a, what you did, I think, I mean, I'm a father of two younger boys, is I think you were, you were putting your boys on a good path. I think it's tough to be,

probably tough to be Cam Haines' son, because you know your dad's like an ultra achiever, regardless of the field. So anytime your dad's an achiever, but you put a mentality into your kit. No mentality comes without like some- A price. Yeah, it all comes at a price.

But like, I mean, look at your boys now. Like, you know, they're- They don't hate me. They don't hate you. And they are- They did for a while, but- They are achieving incredible things. They're good kids.

The way I looked at it is because I didn't have any advantage. So I realized really quickly, life is fucking competition and I'm losing. So like when I first started bow hunting, it was like, well, if I'm like in the best shape and I get to the mountains, all these guys who have more connections and no more people have more money and better jobs, but in the mountains, I'm, I'm better than them. I call the shots out here. So that's what gave me that edge.

It's like, I can't in the regular world, I'm fucking nobody, but out here, now I can call the shots. So that's where I learned really quickly that life will kick you in the dick if you're not ready to compete. So I'm like, I got to get my boys ready. Life is competition. And if you want to win, which we all want to win in our own little thing, you got to be built for it. We're built different.

Yeah. But no, it's, but seriously, it's like, so it was, I maybe was too serious about it because I was young and it's like, didn't understand the balance of it. You know, I didn't really, school was like, yeah, get good grades, but it was always physical. Always physical. So were they physically doing a lot of stuff early? Always, yeah. Running?

They both did half marathons when they were seven. Under two hours. Isla couldn't spell half marathon at seven. She can't do it at 17. At seven? Seven, yeah. And Truett ran, who you guys met yesterday, he ran, here's another me being psycho, but the Eugene marathon,

you have to be 16 to run it. So I lied on his thing, he was 13. And my dad was getting ready to die from cancer. So this is 2010. And we said, well, if true could do this marathon, give my dad his marathon medal. Right. And so true was 13. I said he was 16 and he ran, ran it in 330, which is a pretty damn good marathon. So that was who ran yesterday. So he's, they've been, they've been pushed for a long time.

Wow. Yeah. But that's, I think that I used to, I used to want Kevin Hart to talk about luck more than hard work, because luck's so important in life. But then there's another thing that I think maybe I have too, or maybe my dad put it in me. My, when I was, when I was in first grade, my dad, I said, I'm the fastest kid in the class.

He said, you'll never beat me at anything. And I said, I'm pretty fast. And he goes, well, let's go outside. Let's do a sprint so he wins. And I was in first grade, I was six years old, and I was six or seven, and I fucking was cooking down the street. And as I look up, my dad is running backwards.

And he goes, I told you you'll never beat me at anything. But you need that. I think you need that. Like weird parenting things to give you a brain that says, listen, I'm not most talented comic, but I'm very high achieving because I don't believe I belong anywhere. I don't believe I have value.

I feel like if I don't create it, I won't be invited. If I don't believe I belong anywhere. I don't believe I have value. I feel like if I don't create it, I won't be invited. If I don't show up, if I don't work harder than everyone else, then I won't, then no one will notice me. And I think that that's like a really important thing to instill into a child is like identify the fact that you're feeling this and then use that as your advantage. Yeah. You gotta have something.

What, why are you gonna stand out? That's the thing, people, they wanna stand out. Sometimes like how you've done it, it's hard. So they can stand out for being a fuck up, still get attention, but just negative attention. To stand out for putting in work, doing positive, making a positive difference, that's fucking hard.

And I've known that my whole life, so that's what I tried to teach my boys. Tell Tom a little bit about your childhood and your youth, because I've listened to your book. I told you, out of all the inspiration, all those self-help books you'll get, Cam's book is the most applicable to your life because instead of saying, this is how I do it, your book is really this is why I do it. I felt

that way. And so tell Tom a little bit about like, just give him like, for everyone listening goes, Oh, I know Cam, I know he's been on Rogan 30 times, but like tell them a little bit about like, where you grew up, how you grew up, and how you got into everything. Yeah, I mean, the biggest part of my childhood was, here's the biggest thing, and you know, we can offer our kids something different than this,

but my mom and dad got divorced when I was young. My dad, of course, I thought was Superman, like most kids do, but he's an incredible athlete. And I just basically just always wanted him around and he was never there. So I was always like, wanted this thing, this approval from dad type thing. So my mom got remarried, stepdad hated him,

he wasn't my dad. So never gonna work, you're not my dad. And it's like, that has to be the worst thing ever for a stepparent to have some fucking kid like me say, you're not my dad. I don't, I don't have to do what you say. That's pretty much how my whole life was. So it was a, this big butting the heads battle all the time. I, you know, I'd want to go live with my dad because he lived in Portland, but then I'd miss my brother because I had a brother,

we had the same mom and dad. Then I have my other brother ran yesterday too, a half brother, that's my mom and the stepdad's kid. And then I have a half sister on that side. And then, anyway, got a bunch of mixed up kids, but I have a full brother. And so I'd move with my in with my dad then miss my brother because I was by myself in Portland. Anyway, it wasn't good. So that was kind of the how it worked is like my dad, everybody knew my dad down in Eugene,

because he was like this track phenom. and I'd hear stories about him. Cause as parents, we fuck up all the time. So kids see us fuck up. I never saw my dad fuck up. So I always just had him, like he was up here forever. I never saw anything bad, you know? And it's like, that was, so it always like, knew he was a track guy, so I'm like, I got it. I want to run, I I wanna be like that,

just to maybe he'll notice. And that's pretty much it. That's what connected with me is that my dad was a track guy and his weekends were all spent running. I mean, he'd be up at six in the morning, he'd run. He'd run 10 miles every night when he came home from work, just go out and run a quick 10 miles. And I think part of me, I got into track and field.

I played baseball very heavily, and my dad was always involved, but my dad was always involved when you were doing a sport. Like you could get, I could get my dad 100% if we went to a running store to look at shoes, if we went to a sporting goods store, if I was playing baseball, if I said,

hey, let's go play baseball, hey, let's go for a run. Like my dad would always be like, oh, that was the way we connected. It's why I go to sporting goods stores obsessively today to this day is it's a weird thing. It's like, makes me comfortable. But I did track and field. And I remember when I got into track and field freshman year,

I was running the 220 and the 200 and the 400 were my two races and my dad got so into it. He introduced me to Fartlix and he would train me on the track. But it was like, it's this weird, I'm looking for the thing. I'm looking for that thing. Yeah, approval. And it's defining who I will be. I don't know that. and it's defining who I will be, I don't know that. Right. It's, I was like, and Eugene running in Eugene at that time

was, that's the beginning of Nike, that's pre-Fontaine, that's fucking, that's the fucking, that's the Mecca. Yeah, it is. So did you hate running? Cause you felt like you had to do it, cause your dad wanted you to do it? Cause that's how my kids, my kids hated running. I make them run.

No, I loved it. My dad did some really fucking crazy things. My dad would compliment me on things that weren't real and I would believe them. Like what? Number one, you love pressure. He said that to me when I was six years old. You love, buddy, this is where you excel.

Other kids, they don't have what you have. When all the chips are on the table, you fucking show up. And I don't know if that's real or not. I really don't, but I'll tell you what, I fucking love pressure. You started to believe it though. I believed it, I believed it. And you put me into a game and fucking two people on base,

we're down by two runs runs and I would fucking deliver because I love I would all of a sudden that energy would skinny up This is a stupid story, but Don't do much athletically do secret time two shows in Philly. I bomb on the first show a bomb really fucking ate a dick I'm I have one show to deliver and I'm nervous and Leanne says, well, you know, you love pressure. And I went, oh, that's right, I do. And all of a sudden, when it's, I focus in and I dial in and I love pressure, but I don't know if it's real. My dad always told me, you have a beautiful stride. I love your stride buddy. God, it's like, he'd compliment you on athletically things. As a kid throwing a football,

God damn it, you have the tightest spiral. Like he would just, he was really good at like, I don't even know if they were real. Who won the football throwing? Oh, the fucking black guy. Oh, Jesus Christ. I just saw the pictures of it. But without him coming on,

because he wasn't one of the comics. Who would have been you? Yeah, cause it would have been, I thought it was a comic competition. Yeah, yeah. We just brought somebody else. It wasn't Tony Hinchcliffe. That's for sure. Wasn't Ari.

No. It was not Ari Garbis. Oh, it was Feidlberg. Did Feidlberg throw the first? Feidlberg threw a fucking, Feidlberg's a sneaky athlete. Yeah. Yeah. Those Barstool guys show up.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those Barstool guys show up. Yeah. Yeah. But it's interesting, like, I think a lot of what you do online is by proxy parenting. It's like, is when you look at people to look up to, I get messages from young men who say that. Absolutely. Yeah, so maybe there's something to it,

but which is weird because most of the time I felt like I was fucking up as a parent and now it's like these people who I don't know are saying that, so. Well, it's funny because like, honestly, I think from podcasting, you know, we get messages like that. Like people who, and it's usually like younger men

or maybe don't have any, like they just want some type of guidance. So what they do is, you know, they follow shows, like, you know, and then they find a voice that they like or something that they relate to. But I think, you know, nothing crazier than being a jackass comedian who someone's like, I look up to your guidance and you're like, okay.

But with you, I feel like that really makes a lot of sense to me because like, you know, I consume your content or however you want to call it, like, you know, in sometimes inadvertently, like you're scrolling and you say, oh, it's Cam post. And you just look and you're just like, I gotta get off my ass today. It's a great little, you know, pill you didn't even mean to take.

Yeah. And that motivation hits you. Yeah, that's where the algorithm works because sometimes we see shit that does the opposite effect to us too. So it's like, you can kind of cultivate who you follow and why you follow them. And it can have that, even though you're not intentional,

you're like, oh, and it just makes you feel like I should go do something. It's motherfuckers ran a marathon at lunch. And you're not an influencer who just posts videos of you working out, you are someone, and that's all you do, you have a job, you're like a grownup. Do you think, I have regrets as a parent, hard regrets,

Tom will not, I don't think. Because I think, and I mean this, but like Schultz, I was talking to Schultz the other day. I was like, what are you doing Tuesday? He's like, oh, I'm flying home. He said it to me, he's like, you know, I gotta be with my kid. And I didn't have that luxury.

I was a poor parent. Not poor, but like, I didn't have, Leanne was, I wasn't making money. You had to hustle. Yeah, and so I had a panic where I was like, yeah, not poor, but like I didn't have, Leanne was, I wasn't making money. You had to hustle. Yeah, and I, so I had a panic where I was like, yeah, parenting's great, I'd love to sit and read a book with you, but I need to make sure you have money to go to college.

Do you think some of that comes into the fact that you were just a regular dad and you were like, yo, I've got to make money for these kids and I've also have aspirations, I want to be bigger, and you look back and you go, uh, I guess I could have done that differently. Yeah. I mean, I, I just think I had kids, I don't know how old you're, you guys had kids, but I was, you know, like 25.

And I was, I was kind of a fuck up still drinking, just, just being an idiot, but kind of when I had Tanner, my oldest, it's oldest, I'm like, I don't want to be a loser dad. I've seen loser dads out there. And it's just like, I better, so I still kind of drank more than I should have, but then finally ended up stopping. Because I was just like, I got to be the example for these boys. This is, when you come up like I did, it's like the only thing that's gonna set you apart

is work, hard work, because it's not gonna be money and it's not gonna be anything else. So it's like, I just got pretty serious about that and probably too serious on how hard I pushed them. But the word, I know it paid off because like Tanner was good at basketball, my oldest, and he was, everybody, you know everybody wants to be the highest achiever

they can, and I said, I go, listen, if you do what all these other kids do, just go to practice, do whatever, I said, you're not gonna stand out. I said, we gotta do extra work. So he started lifting when he was 14, and then we'd stay and shoot threes after practice every day for hours.

And he ended up getting all state, first team, all league. And it's just like, that was like a really big lesson because I said, you do what they do, you're gonna be just like them. So then the boys really learned early that I gotta do more than everybody. And so- If I'm gonna stand out, if I'm gonna be great.

If you're gonna stand out, if that's your goal to stand out. Some people, I don't know what, have different goals and that's fine. Sure. My daughter's more of an academic, so, I didn't fuck her up on the physical stuff. But also, by the way, with the drinking thing, if you also had kept drinking,

I don't think physically you could push yourself to the limits that you do, right? Yeah, I always just thought with drinking, it's like, what I care about is being strong, having endurance, being able to run and bow hunt. Drinking doesn't help any of those. It hinders all of them. So I'm like-

Your recovery would have been- I'm like, I'm saying I want to be the best at all these things, but then I'm sabotaging myself. So that was just an easy choice for that. You know, it's just. We were talking to Gronk about that the other day. Oh yeah, how he would party hard in his early 20s. And then he's like, by the time it was like late 20s, 29, 30,

he was like. The recovery. Well, he was talking about like how you could pick it up. You know, as an athlete, like you are, you're so in tune with little, almost like micro movements. He's like, it would be a DB that I would, I have a step on him and now I'm a step behind him

and I know it's cause I drank. Like I know that it's messing me up in that regard. So he's like, just can't do it because it's just like two steps, but you're dialed into it. Even like, even it could be less than that. I mean, could you imagine how if they can get their fingertip on the ball and knock it up and then catch it. But maybe they're that much, their reaction is that much slower because of the alcohol or whatever they did.

And they just didn't get that fingertip on it. So a fingertip, cause you've seen, remember that catch Edelman had, where it gets Atlanta where he's bobbling it around. What if he would've went out and drank in the night before? He wouldn't have kept that ball off the ground. It would've lost that Superbowl. So it's like the difference between success and failure can be that small.

So who can really afford to give that up when you're at the highest level? You can't. You can't. When was the last time you got drunk? Man, I don't know, it's been a while. For real, not even like recently, you guys were all in fucking Maui hunting pigs

and fucking Joe and everyone's around. They're like, ah, let's have a cold beer. And you're just like, I'll have a water. A diet Coke usually. Yeah. What's up? Sometimes you ever feel like you're like a real bad boy and you have a regular Coke?

Yeah, if I'm getting crazy. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of sugar. Yeah. Well, like I stayed away from diet Coke for so long that probably like in the last year, a couple of times, I've been like, hey, let me get a regular Coke. And I have a sip and I'm like, ooh.

I know, yeah. It's like, this is fucking wild. You lunatic. You're a nasty boy. Yeah. It hits so different. You're like, I can't have too much of this. This is crazy.

What's your favorite part of bow hunting? I like the challenge. I like being in the mountains. I like being in tune. It's like, what I like about it. I like being in the mountains. I like being in tune. You know, it's like what I like about it is in in normal life we're a lot of distractions a lot of shit going on in the mountains. It's so pure and it's just like you versus animal You're impacted by the mountains themselves the weather and it's just as as pure as it gets as far as living Yeah, no distractions. And that's what

It can be that can be hard for people. You've hunted countless times, right? Yeah, in my 40 years. So in all those times, have you, because everybody always wonders this, have you had threat encounters where you're like, oh shit? Like everybody always thinks about that would be the reason I wouldn't go hunt.

And the big, I mean, in grizzly country, that's a real threat. Sure. The big bears. Have you had that encounter? Yeah, definitely. And what has happened? Well, I mean, I just had, so I've had a couple charges.

One time I killed this brown bear, my buddy Roy, who got me into bow hunting, who died in 2015. He fell hunting, he was sheep hunting and fell and died. Oh my God, off of like a cliff, mountain? Yep, and sheep are in really rugged country. Oh right, and like on sides of, yeah. But that's what we loved, the bigger the adventure, the crazier the adventure, that's what we loved,

we lived for that. So earlier that year, that was 2015, he fell on October 4th, I believe is when he fell. We had done a moose hunt two weeks prior and I killed a big, a good moose and really good video. But the hunt right before that I had done brown bear, which are grizzly that eat on fish. So if they're on the ocean, they're called brown bear.

If they're inland, they're called grizzly, same species. Really? Pretty much, yeah. Wow. But the brown bear get bigger because- And more aggressive, right? I think grizzlies are more aggressive because they have to work harder for their kills.

Okay. A brown bear can eat salmon in the water, so they're not working that hard, but so they get bigger because they have all that protein. So they can get up to a thousand pounds, where a grizzly would be like 600 pounds, but they're fast. So I kill, or I snuck up on this brown bear in the tidal flats, on this, uh, brown bear in the title flats in this grass, sat up and

a shot that arrow went frontal right here and it bear took off, went down. This female grizzly or brown bear with full grown cubs. The cubs will hang out with their mom. They don't need the mom, but they still kind of hang out for another year or so with her. So she heard the arrow hit the bear and she got kind of alarmed because she was about 100 yards away, stood up in the grass and was like looking around like this, came running towards me, picked up where I had hit that brown bear and there's blood on the ground for the arrow had caused the hemorrhage.

And she started tracking that bear, that other bear, smelling blood, smell blood, just like it's going crazy. And my buddy Roy, he had, I went back to him and he had a rifle and a, this female goes out to the bear I killed as a boy or a male, and she starts tearing it up, like attacking it, and it's dead. And I was like, I tell Roy, I said, I go, she's tearing up my bear. And I said, shoot out there. And so we didn't want to kill another bear, but wanted to spook her off from, she's tearing

up the hide, doing all this crazy shit, just grass and everything was going crazy. So he shoots, boom. And she didn't even, nothing. And, uh, she didn't even nothing. And I said, shoot again, shoots again. And she looks up like this and she looks, and then she sees us cause we're in grass, so it's like the grass is only about up to here. We're standing up. She sees us full bore sprinting.

So the bear made it 130 yards dead. So she had 130 yards to cover. And she's like, and Roy said, she's coming full speed. Roy said, if she crosses a creek, I'm going to have to shoot her. And I said, yeah. And so she bombs right across that creek. And it didn't even slow down. Gets right up to us.

20 yards away, stops, stands up. And we're like, Hey, get out of here, get out of here. She's like staring, like standing up on her back legs, like looking like this. And Roy's like, you know, I have my bow and I have an arrow knocked, it's not gonna really do shit. But I talked about this in the book, if you remember. But anyway, the bear drops down and charges

and Roy shoots and hits her like, it was aiming just frontal, but hit her in between the head and the shoulder and just folded her dead. And we had it on video and I was, what you hear on the videos, I just go, fuck. And he's like, dude, I had to. And I said, I know. I said, I didn't want to fucking kill another bear because I just killed a bear.

And it was a good clean kill, big male. And now we had this, the cubs were gonna, they were over a year old, so they were gonna be fine. But we had another dead brown bear. And so we called fishing game, filled out the thing, it's called defensive life and property. So it's legal to do that if, whatever. So that was one.

And then just the last grizzly hunt I did, I was up in a up in hunting inland and I hit this bear and it perfect, you know, should have been perfect. I hit a little far forward right here on a broadside bear and it takes off and we follow blood. And when you're hunting grizzly you have to have a guide if you're non-resident. If you don't live in Alaska you're called a non-resident. So there's a guide there and we go into the really thick alders and I could tell it's like, God it wasn't a perfect shot because the bear would have been dead already. We had went like a couple hundred yards. Normally a perfect shot they'll go 50 yards. You take out their lungs, they're

going to die. So it went a couple hundred yards and got in these really thick alders. And everybody was like really, you know, it's pretty anxious time. It's pretty intense. A wounded Grizzly in the alders, really thick. So we're following this blood getting down there and the guide was off to my left and I was right here and he goes, he goes dead bear. And I said, Oh good. You know, I look, I said, Oh, okay. I could see that the blonde hide from the grizzly. And he's like, wait, no, it moved, moved his head.

And I was like, don't shoot. Because like for a bow hunter, if a gun is involved, it's not a bow kill anymore. So I'm a bow hunter, that's all I do. And so I said, don't shoot. And he goes, okay. And I said, let me finish her and finish it. And so I get down in there and I'm trying to get a shot. It's like maybe from here to the wall there and I'm closely. Yeah. But the Alders were so thick. So I'm a full drawn. I'm down on one one knee,

trying to get a and bears like sitting there looking like this, but it was hurt. Couldn't really, it was, you know, fatally wounded just hadn't died yet. And, uh, and about a split second starts coming right at me, but it's only 15 feet away basically. And so I shoot, I finally had a, found a window to shoot through. I shot, hit the bear in the chest, the guide shot, hit the bear in the hip

and kind of spun it and it was dead. But, and on that one too, I was like, hit the bear in the hip and kind of spun it and it was dead. But, and on that one too, I was like, fuck, cause it was like another, I hate having guns involved, but I couldn't blame him. Cause it was that close, right? They just had a, a hunter just got attacked. I think the year prior on a wounded Grizzly. Cause it, they're tough. Freaking Grizzlies are tough.

So you can't, yeah, you weren't pissed that. No, I was just pissed at the situation. Yeah're tough. Freaking Grizzlies are tough. So you can't, yeah, you weren't pissed that. No, I was just pissed at the situation. He did what he had to do. I mean, I just said, and before we went down there, I said, I don't want guns involved. I don't want even, I just want to go down there and if it's a mess, I need to clean up. I did it. And my attitude is always if I'm trying to kill this bear if something happens and it kills me That's just the way it goes. That's what I was trying to do. So it's like That's the deal right so I didn't want the guns involved he's just doing his job though So it's like I can't be mad at that. I was just mad

I made kind of a marginal shot that didn't kill the bear as quickly as I should have. Can I ask you, I want to ask you this one other question about hunting, because you've hunted so much. What percent, like, I always imagine, you always imagine when people go on hunts, whether it's for deer, turkey, or bear, whatever, moose, that not every hunt nets you what you're out for, right? Yeah, generally no.

I mean, like an elk hunt, success is 10%. So that's what I was gonna ask. Shut up. So does it- Sometimes you just go for a walk. Well, it's a walk with purpose. But what percentage of hunts that you go on, I guess, overall net you what you were out for?

Me? Yeah, you. I mean, I haven't not killed on a hunt. I mean, I just had a mountain lion hunt where I just didn't see a lion that I wanted to kill. So it was kind of like a whatever. But before that, it had been since 2009 since I hadn't killed.

So you always have killed something. But species-wise or like, you know, animal, does the variable change, animal to animal? Yeah, so elk is 10%, deer is about 20%. There's more deer than elk. You know, elk are just lower numbers. But you're just a better hunter then, because you said you're not having, had not a-

I work really hard. Okay. I work really hard. I'm not better than anybody. I probably just sacrifice more to be, to put more odds in my favor, and just to have done it a long time, so I have a lot of experience.

Where's the mountain lion hunt take place? That was Colorado. Is that a season two, so I have a lot of experience. Where's the mountain lion hunt take place? That was Colorado. Is that a season two for them? Yeah. That feels like a fucking terrifying hunt to be on. Yeah, that one, you do use dogs for that. So- I could do that. Just seeing a lion, they're so nocturnal and so whatever,

so dialed in, you just walking around, you hardly ever see them. I mean, I've seen- Is it a night hunt? No, it's during the day, but they can track them and then they tree them. And so basically the dogs are doing the work. So the dogs are like, the dogs are incredible. They're your tool for that hunt.

It's not a bow, not a rifle per se. It's the dog is the hunting tool. They're just really good. They're bred for it, they love it, they love the chase. So that's how you, I've never killed a mountain lion. I was doing it because in Colorado right now, they have a very liberal governor. They're going after hunting, they reintroduce wolves,

which are gonna knock down elk and deer populations, which I think the goal is to, so they can say we don't need hunting anymore. We don't need hunting to control these numbers. So this, their governor's is he's got a husband. So that's, that took me a second at process. I was like, wait, he's got a husband.

So I was going there just to try to tell the story about mountain lions and why it's important to manage it. And it's like where I was at- Wait, are you saying that his husband hunts? His husband does not hunt and he doesn't hunt. I didn't, I'm not sure what they do. But I think the goal is to like definitely stop mountain lion hunting and then stop all hunting. Yeah, there's times that that LA gets mountain lion problems.

There's that famous picture with the Hollywood sign right there with that big lion. And I mean, I just ran up to the sign like two days ago and it's like, there's coyotes all over up there. That's another one. That's one of the craziest things. When I moved to LA, you move into like, I'd never lived in a major city. The craziest things when you, when I moved to LA, you move into like, you know,

I'd never lived in a major city. I'm moving to Los Angeles, second biggest city, one of the world's great cities. And you're like, this is a city, right? And like a few things, one time I'm driving down Fountain, which is one of Hollywood's big streets. And this is like, I don't know, like middle of the day. And I just see a coyote with a dog in its mouth

just jogging down the street. And I'm like, this is on fucking fountain. And then when I moved into the valley, we would see coyotes up and down the street early morning, especially if you were up early, and you'd see them like hunting through or jumping through people's yards, just, you know, sniffing around.

And then you would see things like rabbit torn to pieces in a front yard. And another time in the Valley, I saw a coyote with a dog in its mouth where I used to live in Woodland Hills. in its mouth where I used to live in Woodland Hills. Yeah, coyotes, they say coyotes kill 60% of deer fawns. Wow. So the baby deer that are born, coyotes are killing 60% of them.

Wow. So they, you know, if you think about a coyote, it's like, people will say, well, you don't need to eat meat. You could have this whatever type of diet. A coyote, they got to kill.'re not, what else are they gonna eat? There's no dog food. You know, they're not going to the store. So they're killing all the time.

Always hunting, always killing. And it's like, they're really good at it too. Yeah, they're good at it. Yeah, but it's. What was it like? What was it like? Because we both know Joe, when he gets passionate about comedy.

You can call him up. Or pool. You can just, yeah, pool or fucking. But like you met Joe when he decided he was gonna start becoming a hunter. What was that early, cause he's the most curious fucking guy. Also obsessive.

Obsessive. The obsessive on this. What was that initial relationship like? And like, I can only imagine he was almost calling you every day, like going like, hey, I have another question. Yeah, yeah. What was that initial relationship like? It was pretty cool because at that time,

I was just grinding in Oregon. Nobody really knew who I was kind of, I was putting my YouTube videos up and Joe, he loves YouTube. I mean, he is always looking at stuff, researching stuff. He's always on there. So he saw that shooting a bow and I was carrying the rock up the mountain. That's one of the workouts that I do

is I carry that fucking rock. And so I had a video of it. That's the one that daddy, Huberman? Huber daddy. Huber daddy Huber daddy carried up yeah yeah yeah that with the no shirt on that one didn't go viral yeah so Joe in 2014 tweeted he said hey Cameron Hayes you ever want to come to LA and talk about bow hunting and training and so that that was it. I, I took a bow down there.

You're like, that's what I do. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. I want to talk about training and bow hunting. Yeah. So I was like, shit. So I took him a bow and showed him just kind of the basics on shooting a bow. And I said, Hey, we should go on a, on a hunt. And he's like, yeah, fuck. Yeah. I want to do a hunt. And I said, okay, well, there's a good hunt I do up in Alberta with the rivets is this family up there. They've become really good friends, but it's in Alberta, tons of bear up there. They have to, they have to kill bear to keep the moose and deer numbers healthy, right? Cause bear just, just like coyotes,

they'll kill a bunch of the fawns and the elk calves and the moose calves. So you can go up there and kill two black bears. So I told Joe, I said, this is a really good first bow hunt because I can be there right with you. The bear, there's so many of them. We bait them in and because it's such thick brush, you couldn't hunt them otherwise. Like a bowl of honey? No, like we use oats. Yeah, just like oats and then mix some grease in and it's pretty good.

You know, so it actually makes them, the meat is really good too. But so I told Joe, I said, we can go up there and then I can, I can be with you. And I can say whether it's a male or a female, cause we want to kill big old males, that's, that's best for the best for the health of the bear numbers there. You take out a big old male that's already done its job as far as passing on genetics and things like that. And so I said, I can be there. We can identify the right bear and I can tell you when it's a good shot.

So we did that. He killed a nice bear on his first ever bow hunt in 2014. So what was, what was Joe Rogan's reaction? He, you know, you know where it was. So he's pretty subdued on that one, like pretty chill, you know, cause he's done a lot of things. Where the next year I took him on his first elk hunt. And that was like, he, like I said, he is, can be calm even in tense situations, but we had two bulls coming in bugling and he said at that time and they came in really

close like in bow range and they're like, have you heard an elk bugle? Have you? On a video. Yeah, right. So in person, it feels like it's going to blow your hat off. It's loud. They sound like some prehistoric animal. And then these big antlers come through. And so we're on this little creek bed and coming down the ridges on either side of the creek bed, there were these

two bulls. So Joe, at that time said that, you know, he's done, he's fought, he's done comedy, he's done TV, he's like, that's the most intense moment he's ever been in with those bulls coming in and bugling. So that is, and that is- And you guys took those two down or? No, no, we didn't even kill either one of them. But- Oh, I got you. Yeah, that was like, that was like, that's hunting.

Just like a real life hunting moment. Just primal, primal. You're there, we're on our knees in this creek bed with the bow and arrow and these bulls are lightened up. They think they're gonna come in and fight each other because they're aggressive, that's how they do it. And they bugle on the way to announce like the herds, like, oh, now it's our presence type thing.

It's fucking intense. And Joe said that too. He's like, this was unlike anything I've ever experienced. So that's when he was really hooked. That's when he got hooked and then you couldn't even talk to him anymore. Yeah. Like he would be like, he was so obsessed with hunting.

Obsessed, obsessed. And it's, I love that he gets obsessed like that. What if, would it be a bad thing if we killed a bear considering our brand is Two Bears? I think people would like it. We should kill a bear. Be fun. Sure.

You guys wanna kill a bear? Yeah. I'm going bear hunting in two weeks. You know I'm a pretty, like I'm a master archer, right? You are? Pull it up. So we grew up, we grew up, we grew up just regular boys called- Like grew up, uh, uh, uh, right.

Just a regular boys called the recurve recurve. Yeah. We grew up recurve bows and I'm a Burt Kreischer elite athlete. Is this it? Yeah. Um, and so I like to be sneaky athletic. Yeah. I like when people don't know that I'm, uh, athletic, but I'm pretty good with a bow.

I have, we have bows at the house, but just recurved. I used to shoot with the girls in our backyard. And so we're doing a set of a show and Snoop's there. I was like, give me your bow. Oh, take a look at my form, Cam, tell me what you think. I think I did see this. Take a look at my form, tell me what you think. When, what year is this?

This was like three years ago, so. That shirt's sick. Yeah. The fat underneath it is bothering me. Yeah, how much more did you weigh there? God, let's That shirt's sick. Yeah. The fat underneath it is bothering me. Yeah, how much more did you weigh there? God, let's not talk about it. Okay. But the guy was trying to shoot a bullseye

and I was like, oh, I bet I could shoot a bullseye. Yeah. And they're like, no fucking way. And I just pull back. Baby. Boom. Intense, holy shit. Yeah.

There you go. So we have bows at the house. I enjoy shooting. I enjoy shooting. It's pretty good. Pretty good. I thought it was gonna be like, have you seen that one where the guy

was gonna shoot something off the guy's head and hits him in the forehead? Yeah. Was that Russian? I think so. They don't fuck around. They're just like, that's okay. Drag him off.

Yeah. We were in Hawaii. We were in Hawaii. They're also doing like car jujitsu, like seatbelt. Oh, that's fucking bad ass. That's fucking bad ass. And phone booth. Phone booth. Yeah.

They're out of their mind. Also every pre fight, like if they're gonna fight later the next day at the, you know, like the weigh-in kind of thing, they'll just like crack someone's head wide open and be like, yeah. And you're like, dude, the fight's over. Like you're not fighting tomorrow. And there's no issue about it.

It's never like a thing. Tommy, let's get into bow hunting. I think it'd be a really cool thing to get into. Oh, that's the other thing is, yeah, with Joe too, is like once you guys started hunting, his training and regimen and weight was all about, oh, hunting's coming up. I gotta like gain 10 pounds or I gotta start to,

it was all about hunting. And you've seen him be obsessive like with your, the October, sober October. So that's what he is. And he'll, he gets like that with archery, he'll shoot too much. He'll be standing out in his yard in Texas, it's 240 degrees out and just soaking,

is drenched in sweat. And he'll actually, he shoots way more than I shoot because that's his brain. Yeah, that is definitely his brain. That makes sense. But like with the hunting too, people, you know, it would be good for you guys to expose it, a different audience to hunting

because people have this misconception about bears. Like there's not very many bears. There's so many many bears out there. They have to be controlled because we don't have unlimited habitat like back in the day. Our cities have encroached, it's habitats is shrinking. So we have to be able to hunt them.

And then people think, well, there's not very many bear. No, there's a lot of, and also the meat's good. So people think, they don't know you can eat meat. So you guys telling that story would be incredible. Yeah, that'd be cool. What size bow, I'm gonna go buy a bow today. What size, what pound is it I want? I mean, you'll start low,

because it's, you know, when I had Huberman, Huberman is jacked, right? Yeah. His bow, he had to start super low because it's such a, you've shot before though, but when you haven't shot, like he hadn't shot, it's- It's a unique different thing. It's so different, but now he shot yesterday in his yard,

we're sitting there and he's like, the bow's turned up, it's whatever, but to start off, normally people are pretty low, then your body, just like we talked about with running, your body adapts and then you get the technique down. So what's low? What's a? Like 40 pounds is pretty low.

So that's a good starting point for someone. Yeah, if you get a bow, and then like if you could get up to like 60 pounds, you kill a bear pretty easily. They had a 60 pound bow on Steve Case's land in Hawaii, and it was raining, we were under a tent, and they had their, you know, you get the plastic pigs or whatever and we were drunk and I was like,

yeah bring the bow out, I bet I could hit the pig from here. And they're like, bullshit. It was all Travel Channel and I pulled it back and it's interesting, if you've never used a compound bow, you don't know that once you get to a certain spot, it releases and you can steady yourself. So no one on our crew could get it back to there. And then I got it back there, fucking lit it up from under a fucking tent in the rain, drunk as fuck. And these Hawaiians were losing their goddamn mind.

Wait, what do you work, what do you use? What's yours at? Mine's at 90. 90. Yeah. But that's, you don't need to. One other thing, cause I don't want to forget to ask, with all, cause we talked about like how, you know, you push yourself so hard and you do all these like incredible physical feats. What physically has been like, is everything kept up pretty well?

Have you had like major injuries or no? No. So like knees, ankles, whatever. All good. That's amazing. Yeah, all good. But part of it too is like, you know, living pretty clean. You live clean.

Yes, and I eat. Do you take recovery seriously? Yeah, all of it. You know, I got the sauna, the hot tub. I get massages twice a week. I got a massage table at my house. So they come in twice a week, do that. Yeah, I mean, I push hard.

So I have to do all those little things. And I'm, I'm fucking old, two, 56 years old. So it's, it's a, but I feel, to be honest, I feel better now than I did in my twenties when I was drinking and being a fuck up. So it's like, it's, it's crazy what, and you look at me and Joe have talked about this, because he's three months older than me, August and then mine's October, but both 56. Back in the day, if you looked at somebody who's 56, you'd be like, look at that old man. And also the guy looked like shit.

Wilford Brimley in Cocoon was 52. Right, yeah. Cocoon, he was 52. And they're like, he's about to die. And you look at Joe now, he's fucking jacked, right? And so it's like, nowadays with the diet, with the supplements, with, you know, we know more, we train a little better.

You don't have to be old. You don't have to be old for a long time. And I'm still very active. So yeah, I do a lot of the little things to keep that going. It's awesome, man. But what I want to say, if you guys did, there's something, you know, when Joe started hunting,

he was like, oh, this is how it's supposed to, it feels, even shooting a bow feels familiar, even though you've never done it, because that's how we've survived. We've survived as hunters and killing. So when you do it, you're like, why does this feel familiar to me? It's because that's-

It's in our DNA. It is, it's there. This normal life that we do where somebody else is doing all the killing for us and they give us a tray with our food, that's not normal. That's not how for fucking up until 200 years ago or 300 years ago, that's how it ever was.

It was always like, can you be a provider? So when you are a provider and you're bringing that meat home to your family, it's fucking powerful. I bet. I would love that. I know the power of when Joe gives you a fucking 20 pounds of elk. Yeah, but for him it's fucking powerful. I bet. I would love that. I mean, I know the power of when Joe gives you a fucking 20 pounds of elk.

Yeah, but for him it's powerful too. So if you could do that and you say, hey, I killed this bear, I want you to make a meal with it. Dude, there's nothing sweet. There's nothing in life that's gonna give you that type of reward. When's bear season?

Like I said, I'm going in two weeks. Fuck. You guys are active. that type of reward. When's bear season? Like I said, I'm going in two weeks. Fuck. You guys are active, like what was, why? Why are you guys doing 5Ks now? I mean, how much weight have you lost and how much have you lost? I'm curious.

I mean, over the last few years, probably like around 50. Cause I see old videos of you it's like fuck yeah like 50 pounds. I think when Tom hurt himself it kind of yeah that was like a reset it was a reset for Tom I remember talking to Joe the next day on the phone and being like oh we're we've it's like when you start losing your hair you go oh I got a foot in the grave like I I'm dying. The body's falling apart. And that. It's like symbolic for.

And at that moment I realized we can't go play basketball anymore. And I was like, oh, I gotta change this. But I didn't for a long time. I even got bigger. I got up to 280 probably, maybe even bigger. Who was it? Who was I talking to?

I was talking to Matt Mitrione. And he said, what's the fattest you've ever been? I said, 270. He goes, 285 then. And I went, no, 270. And he goes, buddy, the day you didn't get on the scale, that was 285. And I was like, fuck.

And so, but then I think this, Tommy's transformation was inspiring. And then I just got to a place where I was like, this isn't, this isn't, I'd have friends in high school that I went to high school with go, this isn't who you are. Like this, I know this is like a thing that you know you're doing really well, but this isn't who you are.

And I went out and did Emily when I was really fat, I did Emily and I hit a home run with the kids. I went out to take batting practice, I hit a home run. And I was like, oh, this is who I used to be. And I was like, I got really into, I got really into fucking obsessive almost now. I think it doesn't lend your comedy brain well when you're thinking about your workouts

and you're thinking about your runs. It's better to be a fucking stoner sitting on a couch just going like, you know, whatever. I was just kind of thinking jokes all day, but I'm so fucking happy. I like it way more. I like it way more. I feel joy.

But when you're, I mean, when you're running, don't you have some good ideas? When I'm walking. Walking. When I walk, if I go for a hike, I can think real clean. When I run, my brain shuts off. Okay, because I know when I'm, I have to use my notes thing on my phone

because I'm like, sometimes it's weird. It's like, you think after you do a run, you'd be in a better mood. But when I'm running, sometimes I obsess about things. I get pissed off.

But then also sometimes I think about, like just lines that are just perfect for like an article or something, or whatever I'm working on. And I have to stop and remember. Cause it's like, if you say, oh, I got to remember that. I fucking can't remember.. Because if you say, oh, I gotta remember that,

I fucking can't remember. Walks are incredible. Walks are perfect. Incredible for that. Do you guys do voice memos on a walk or text yourself or something? Yeah, I do voice notes or I'll even stop, type something out, but yeah, it comes to you.

Yeah, but the lifestyle of focusing on being more active, like on tour, we basically,, like, you know, on tour. Like we basically, we land, drop bags, go to the gym, or drop bags, go for a run, like. Yeah, it's part of the routine. Part of the routine, and then our eating is much, much cleaner than it used to be, you know? It's like, it's pretty clean eating.

Like, it's always kind of in a hunt of some type of protein, you know, on the road and like, I just feel better. And then it's, you know, I'm always trying to get better sleep. Like I saw a big part of it. Well, so you guys have never been, you know, bigger, like as far as popularity and it's like, do you think it goes hand in hand with like this elevated living that you're doing,

like more healthy living, and now you're able to perform at a higher level? I don't know. I know it's not possible to do the touring I've been doing if I were living the way I lived 10 years ago. Yeah. It would be impossible. I was gonna die.

I was gonna die. You're generating so much, like with all the podcasts and the fucking events and the- You can't live- I mean, that's a lot. No, it's taxing, man. It's taxing, and all the travel. But you built your bodies up to build a do it.

Yeah, in a way it sounds bizarre, but it's kind of like our hunting season, right? Like if you- Purpose. Yeah, but like you have to be able to be on six flights for five cities this week and do things that you got to be here at 9 a.m., here at one, go do the show, get on a plane, travel the next city. If you were just drinking, eating like shit and not exercising, there is a breaking point

in that. You can probably do it if you're doing that at 25, 30 maybe. But you can't do it much later. I travel with a gym, even when I was my fattest, I was still working out. We traveled with a gym inside our bus. But for me, it is, I mean, light clockwork every day. At 6 p.m., we go to the arenas gym,

and we work out hard as fuck up until 7 o'clock like what do you do everything like weights mostly mostly weights mostly weights get on a treadmill doing a salt bike they have great gyms in the arenas so you can use the you know who's fucking hardcore with the working out but I mean I know he looks great so it's not that big of a surprise when you we got to see it in person, I was playing, I don't know if I remember if it was like Salt Lake or one of the arenas, and as we were wrapping up,

there were trucks coming in, and one of them was a massive mobile gym, and I'm like, whose fucking gym is this? Like Tim McGraw. Oh yeah, he shredded. They go, then one of his guys like, you want to check it out? And I go, fuck yeah.

So he takes me on a tour inside of this thing. And it's like, you know, it's like a really nice gym you would find at like, let's say an upscale hotel, like has all the compartments, sauna, cold, like, you know, cable stuff, dumbbells, bench, rack, you know, everything. And I'm talking to his guy, I'm like, so what, how, like, how much does he use this? And they're like, how much does he use this?

They're like, he's in here probably like three, four hours a day. And then I'm like, what? And they go, yeah, and he makes like crew members and band members train too. So a lot of times he'll do his thing with them from this to this time, people break, and then he comes back and does a couple more hours.

Getting fresh fighters in every round. Yeah. And he looks amazing. He does. He loves wearing those tank tops with the sleeveless shirts and his arms are fricking shredded. He's jacked, dude. He looks great. Yeah, yeah.

But he's like hardcore with it. Yeah. It's awesome. I can tell. Yeah, that's cool. Cam. Thank you, man. Thank you, just thank you.

You're so- Thanks for coming to the 5K. It was awesome. You know, hopefully we get you to the next one we do. Oh, yeah. And let's kill a bear. Let's carry a bear and I'd like to carry a rock, It was awesome. Hopefully we get you to the next one we do. And let's kill a bear. Let's kill a bear. And I'd like to carry a rock maybe up a hill or something one day with you. I'll just say it was an honor to be involved in the event because I saw it was so much

positive energy, life-changing energy. It was incredible to see what you guys kind of just talking BSing, came up with this idea and to see what it turned into, unreal, and then just being, you guys welcome me and have me on the podcast, and I'm so thankful for you guys. You're an inspiration, Cam. You're awesome.

Being a friend is, and you know, I've probably overshared because I was drunk, but you're an inspiration and I love your videos. You're the reason we know who's gonna carry the boats. If you hadn't worked him out that fucking hard, he never would have yelled that wild shit. That's all anyone fucking yells now. It is.

So that was such a great day. But yesterday kind of rivals it. Yesterday was just as powerful to me. It was so cool to see and so thank you. You make me wanna go out for a run now. Yeah, let's link up again soon, man. All right. Sounds good.

Thanks, Kevin. Awesome, thanks, brother. Appreciate it. Bert and Tom, Tom and Bert, one goes to the top, the other wears the shirt. Tom tells stories and Bert's the machine. There's not a chance in hell that they'll keep it clean. Here's what we call, Two Bears, One Cave.