2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer - Adam “Pacman” Jones Chased Who Off the Field?? | 2 Bears, 1 Cave

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

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Listen, this is exciting. This is long overdue. Why? I cannot tell you how excited I am to have the one and only Adam Pac-Man Jones here, everybody. Give him a round of applause. Thank you for coming. Man, I appreciate you for having me. Man, it was a real treat that you said yes to this. Running into you at the Tyson fight was awesome because we'd only chatted,

I think, via Instagram. had only chatted I think via Instagram and then one time I think I called in I was on McAfee and you were you were there we chatted for a second But that was a that was crazy night your night ended up crazier than my night. Yeah, that was wild What happened that night for people that don't know? Cuz everybody first of all so they know they everybody thinks that they used a photo of you and me You know, everybody thinks that they used a photo of you and me. Right, like me and you were fighting. Everybody was like, did you fight Pac-Man? Read the whole book and don't read the cup, not even the cover. Don't even look at the cover.

No, it's crazy. Read the book instead of looking at the cover. But yeah, had an unbelievable night, got back to the hotel. A couple people was being really racist. At the like hotel bar. At the hotel bar, they didn't even stay there. Now remind you, we already spending 1500 a night for these rooms.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not cheap. But yeah, a couple words was said, I ain't like the words, I shoulda smacked the fuck out of them and I let him, I woulda rather went to jail for whipping his ass than me having a word, well I didn't really have a word with the police officer but I just snatched myself back from her.

And that was it. And that was it. So yeah, but shit happens. Be alright. Other than that, that was a fun night. Man, we had an unbelievable unbelievable. That was a good time You were the best because you know, there's a there's they're like smell me

Yeah, the everybody you were also the person that was Distributing gifts to people you're giving us the the cookie boxes. Yes, our whole section was was pretty lit It was pretty fun. Oh yeah. What'd you think of the fight itself? The fight was bullshit. But we did, but I will say this. Yeah.

I don't know about the people that was at home what happened with Netflix, but Netflix showed their ass. I thought it was one of the best experiences I've been to as a fight and when I look back at it, you do things for experience. At the end of the day, it was a fight that good. No, but the experience of how they set everything up, having who's who in the right spots and section, it was unbelievable. The fight was some shit, but I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed the Jerry World. I gotta tell you, I feel very much the same way. The way that they put on the event was an experience of itself. Being at Jerry World, AT&T, the energy in that room was incredible, everybody attending, we were so hyped. I mean, the fight itself was a letdown, but the experience was very cool.

I totally agree. Totally cool. Mike, I don't know, bro. And I love Mike. Mike is my guy. He actually had, I got a picture of him in June when June was like a year and a half old. So, un-guilt of respect for him as a person and a friend. But I wasn't sold on the fight. And I lost a lot of money begging with his ass. It was weird. It was a very weird thing to see in person because if you've watched any amount of boxing, you see there's like a, you know,

there's a thing that happens is like, you see jabs, and jabs set up openings, and then people attack. And we were like watching this fight, and we go like, okay, jab, jab, you see an opening, and then you're like, ah, and then no one would attack. And then that happened for eight rounds. For eight rounds.

I thought the uppercut was there the whole night. Yeah. The whole night, and I've watched Mike Tyson time after time after time after time and I know yeah everybody's saying oh yeah he's 54 years old. That does not matter. Yeah. Aggression and passion for what you do. I can go catch a punt right now. I'm sure you could. And if I can get at least 45 yards. I might pull my hamstring if I'm sure you could. And fucking get at least 45 yards. I might pull my hamstring if I'm going 80, but as far as quick twitch, catching the ball,

I don't know if I'll ever lose that. Do you still train, by the way? Yeah, every day. Every day? Not every day, but like three, four times a week. And what are your workouts like? So one day, like so, for instance, this week, Monday I ran, so I did two

miles on the treadmill seven point no I should say in y'all terms seven minute miles okay so two miles 15 14 minutes walk a minute quick lift all light weights on Monday nothing over like pounds. Just get everything moving. Yeah. Wednesday is my workout day that I still do DB drills. You do? Yeah. So you're actually back pedaling.

Back pedaling, turn, twitch, all of that. Oh shit. Because I'm around a lot of kids that I'm teaching right now, and if my shit ain't right, they be like, oh really? Yeah, yeah. It's good for me to be where I'm at right now and can still move, you know what I mean?

Yeah, so that's Wednesday. And then Friday is Hell Friday. So I do squats, lunges. Okay. But your body's held up, like you physically feel pretty good. I mean, NFL career is insane. Oh no, T. My body do hurt, I ain't gonna lie. It does, right career is insane. Oh no, T.

My body do hurt, I ain't gonna lie. It does, right? It does. It hurt more though when I'm not doing shit. I believe that. So if I take, let's just say a month off, which that ain't happened since, I don't know when, but if I take two weeks off, my neck hurt, my back, hamstrings.

But like, I think when I'm working, and not really killing myself, just actively doing something, it's a little better on me. When I sit down, I'm like, ain't a lot. Of course we got, like my hand, I can't even move this one. Really?

That's just like that? Yeah. All you guys that, that's one of the things that you notice when you like talk to a former NFL player is when they're gesturing or they shake your hand, you'll be like, what's up with that finger? Shit is like going in different directions. Out of my whole body, I would say my hands hurt the most. Seriously.

Like that's why I'm always doing this. Like if you ever see me doing this, that's good my shit be like. Like nerves and everything? Yeah. Seriously. Like that's why I'm always doing this. Like if you ever see me doing this, that's a good amount of shit be like. Like nerves and everything? Yeah. Fuck. Just catching them punts and punching, tackling. What do you, what's the general, cause I always want, I never caught a punt.

What's the first thing you tell a kid who's like, I want to catch a punt. Like what's the advice you give them about it? Is it like just natural you can do it or can you kind of coach someone into it? Definitely can coach someone into it. You gotta have good hands though. You do.

It ain't like you can just go out there and not have hands and do it. Right. Especially in the NFL. Oh my God, they kicked the ball. It's fucking seven second hang time. So one, two, the ball is still up to a three. Four, god damn it, six, five, six, oh seven, here it comes, you know what I mean?

So I think NFL and college is really different because you got the rugby style kicks in college, really not getting that much hang time on it, but it's going in the direction they want it to go. In the league, that rugby kick is a good kick, but you got to be able to put some hang time on there. Because if you don't got no hang time, if you up under four seconds of hang time, that's bad. That's a touchdown almost. Like immediately. So like, I don't think there's anything really more exciting than watching a kid go taken back, you know?

And there's certain people over the careers where you go like, man, this guy's such a dynamic just returner, and you're one of them. Is there a thing where, for you guys that do that, is it all kind of like, I'm just gonna take a gamble on a first move, and then that kind of sets everything up or Because you guys have great vision, right? You have to have great. I can speak for me I've never thought in my whole career

That the first guy could tackle me. That's why I didn't fair catch I think mom one two is way better than this fucking guy right here. Yeah So I'm gonna go. I don't, every time I catch that bitch, I expect to make a move and beat the first guy. And nine times out of 10, that's pretty much what happened. I done got hit a couple of times, but I just, I trusted myself.

I trust if I got a step, like if you, right there where you at, I feel like I can beat you. I don't feel nobody can tackle me right here. And me, cause you gotta let me catch the ball, that's first and foremost. So my action is going, you gotta react to my. And I think my first two steps is one of the best ever first two steps when it comes to being a punt returner.

And it speaks for itself. Like I love history. I'm not throwing no hate on him. So Josh Cribbs, great returner. Yeah. All those guys got a lot of fair catches. Yeah. And still an average pretty much more yards than me.

I don't fair catch the ball. Yeah. And still an average pretty much more yards than me. I don't fair catch the ball. Yeah. And I think that's the difference between me and a lot of other returners. If you go back and look and see, oh, how many times did he fair catch the ball in his whole career? Fucking probably 11 times. For real? 11 times?

Maybe. But this is because, see the fair catch thing for you, I think is indicative of your style. Like you're a dog, man. Yeah, I'm an animal. Yeah, that's so, it makes sense that you're like, fuck it, I'm not even gonna do it. You don't even gonna do it. Yeah, it's, I don't know, I just, I believe in me and I trust the guys

up in front of me now. I do cut their ass out if I get hit. And I only got hit a couple of times, but. So, times I got hit, you could see me running up, going after my guy like, yo, what the fuck are you doing, bro? People also don't realize that, like, we always see guys on television,

especially if you're really athletic, and you just assume this guy just has some natural ability and that's it. And like, from, I told you from people that I've spoken to that played with you, they're like, this guy in practice is a fucking animal. Like you have a great reputation for playing hard at all times.

Yeah, I always tell people like, I've never had a problem with no owner, no coach I played for. My problem was some shit when I left there going to Magic City or some shit like that and just enjoy myself and there's always one asshole again and there goes Adam. Yeah. Every year this all come to leave me the fuck alone. No I'm just playing. So it's a new year 2025 and you're thinking, how am I gonna make this year different? How am I gonna build something for myself?

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And still... Still lock everything up. That was my thing when I first started in the league. Fucking insane. I'm like, bro, I'm not wearing no fucking cleats. I'm coming out here with brand new A1s. Let's go. Let's get this fucking work in.

We got 12 periods. All right, I'm gonna go out here early, catch punts. I'm gonna lock his ass down. And I've always been like that. Like, you gotta go ask my little league coaches my my high school coach like I was the guy they had to be like hey yo like even Rodriguez coach Rod at West Virginia now sure like coach Rod WU um he's like yo Pac I'm gonna take you out of practice no you ain't bro no you ain't because I'm pushing this motherfucker get better you gonna take

me out because I'm going a hundred miles per hour yeah and some days for real real So they like tackle though and we would be like in like they used to hate that that you would tackle. Yeah. Yeah Especially now it's even worse Me and Chris got it so many fights because of it. Mm-hmm That's how we became like tight locked in. Yeah, I would push him to the limit Like I'm gonna push him to the limit. Like, I mean, push him to the limit. He was, he was well gifted, but like he enjoyed, he didn't enjoy practice at first. And I kinda changed that mentality.

If you don't enjoy practice, I'm just gonna dominate your ass and talk shit to you. De-hole practice. Are you, cause I'm not surprised, were you a massive shit talker? Yeah, hell yeah. In games too? Yeah.

What kind of shit would you say? I got more liquid than liquid death. Would you, like, was it? So I used to go through, you know how they give you the brochure before the game to see all the players? Yeah, oh yeah. I would go through the, like who am I playing today? Let me see which one these motherfuckers look so

You know what? Really? I got three things about them and I was just tagged them tagging the whole game I mean not so something about their mom or their girl everything everything. Yeah, I heard your girl left you How many step kids you got, bruh? Like I would, I was bad. Yeah, I believe it. It was bad. Like now that I look back at it, yeah it was bad.

Who, okay, because the thing about, this is what we always hear about playing against a shit talker, right? This is like what you hear from other great athletes. They go, guys like you are doing that to get in your head. And so the only way to win that battle is to not let it get to you, right? So there's some people who can just go say whatever you want. I'm never going to engage or respond to that.

So you had to, I'm sure face some people that you're like, well, this guy just doesn't break on that. Yes, I'm never going to engage or respond to that. So you had to, I'm sure, face some people that you're like, well this guy just doesn't break on that. Yes, I have. And then some people. That do break. Yeah, and then you win. You've won that battle. AB was one of those guys that never broke.

I would talk so much shit to him. He would be catching the ball. I'm like, you're supposed to catch the ball, nigga. Your daddy went pro. You get to skip the fucking line, bro. Yeah. Right. He would just shut up, pack him,

do his little first down thing. T.O. was a good shit talker. Was he? Yes. When I played against him, I said a lot of shit to him. When I played with him in Dallas, like we would talk chirp in practice, like you can sit on hard knots, but it wasn't that bad.

But it's a couple guys that just couldn't take it up. Right. I'm talking about you can two drop balls, bitch in a tank. Yeah. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you the one who really couldn't take it. Yeah, yeah. Trash.

What's his name? I went to Ohio State, played with Cleveland. God damn it, I can't even think of his name. Went to Ohio State. We should know this. He was garbage. Garbage. Damn, what should know this he was a garbage Garbage, oh damn. What's his name? I don't know his name, but if you look at the clip is garbage

Y'all know I'm talking about back there in the back. Help me up. Oh, where I pry trow prior garbage the quarterback garbage Okay, she's garbage prior garbage So you talked a lot of shit garbage You talked a lot of shit to him what that was probably one of the best clips He couldn't take it like I would get in his head so bad, but you could you could Google it It's probably prior act Adam Jones. Yeah garbage garbage You could Google it, Google it. It's probably a pop brand. 12 prior Adam Jones, yeah. There you go.

Garbage. Garbage, there it is right there. There you go, there you go. There it is right there. There it is. There it is. There it is. Cincinnati Bengals spanked the Cleveland Browns

23 to 10, sending them even into a more, wait, there's still more. Garbage. That's right. That's right, for Tarell, how big is it for you guys? Garbage. All right, Lisa. Happy we won. All right, cool. Tarell Pride, garbage. still more garbage garbage we want so did you just light him up that game is that why this is a was a clip no he was talking a lot of shit he was talking shit he was talking shit to the media early in the week and I told him like

bro you ain't gonna catch a ball, bro Are you a quarterback? They got you playing receiver you suck. Yeah, I think he had one catch for like four or five yards. God damn He couldn't take it up. He couldn't take it. I mean like I'm bro. I'm looking in his eyes He had the expression like will you just please? Yeah, just leave me alone me alone. Like, no, I'm on your ass today, buddy. All the way till we leave this motherfucker and back in the locker room, garbage. Best part of that clip right there was a garbage can right there. I was like, hey, y'all see the real part of him? That's in there?

Yeah, it was hilarious, bro. Oh my God, so did you sense, you had to have games to where you sensed fear in the other person, right? You could just see it in their eyes, like that they're? In the league or college? I don't know, I guess both. Probably not in the league, right? Not in the league, pretty much.

Everybody does pretty much to a certain extent. Then you got a couple guys that make it because of who they know or agents and such and such like that. of guys that make it because of, you know, agents and such and such like that. But in college, yeah, a lot of guys. I've seen soft. Yeah. When you go, okay, I've always wondered about

the leveling up for players. Because I know you're a stud athlete in high school. You know, you're great at football, you're great at track, you're great at track, you're great at basketball, all these things. You go to West Virginia. But when you're a kid who's going to the next level and you're a freshman, before you start,

is it normal, do you feel any self-doubt or am I good enough before you prove that you are? Are you asking me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, no. First day I walked in with Zagina, I told the ass, y'all, I got three years here, I'm getting the fuck out of here.

You knew it that early. I got, man, I should call one of my teammates. Okay, okay. He'll tell you like, hey, Pac told us that he only got three years in this motherfucker. On day one. On day one. Okay.

I think that's a pretty good answer. On day one on day one, okay. I think this pretty good answer on day one It's my boys there on Like for Audi did this deal is cool What did I tell you the first day y'all see yeah, yeah practice Hopefully he answered. It might be test driving an Audi right now. Oh he didn't answer. Bro you fucked up. I needed you on this car right here.

Your car back. But like yeah, I've never thought like. You never had doubt. I never had a doubt. Because you knew how good you were already. No bro, I knew where I didn't want to go back to. Right. Which was the fucking projects.

In Atlanta. Yes. I'm like this is my past, I gotta figure out how to make this work. And I was always very talented in all the sports I played, which was basketball, track, and football. I like, I knew, I knew, I don't know, some people know, I've never thought of really doing anything else growing up as a kid, you know what I mean?

Yeah, sure. I wrote a poem at what, second grade? Might be first or second grade. It was like Jones won a basketball, football, my game. One day I'm gonna be rich and we gonna go to the Hall of Fame. Wow. And like, I have the pommel,

and the crazy part about it, it's on like a wash sheet. I don't know how to explain it. Like, it's blue coming down to brown. And I drew a picture at the end of it of a bunny on a bike throwing up the deuces. I don't know how I thought of that at that age. But yeah, I've never had intentions

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And the second day, I pretty much sold the whole goddamn store. I had okay and the second day I pretty much Sold the whole goddamn store. I had everybody from the projects coming up getting crystal cheeseburgers. I'm like brothers is not for me. Yeah Yeah, I'm almost like you should just try. I'm no no no two days Probably gave away six hundred burgers. Wait gave away. Yeah, I thought you meant you were selling them. Hell no. Hey bro, all my boys in the projects, y'all better get up here right now boy. This is my last day doing this shit. This is not for me. At first they were like, wow man, we moved a lot of product today, thanks. You're like, oh yeah, that shit was free. Yeah.

I don't even, I don't know why they put me at like the cash register Knowing that it was my first job. Yeah. Yeah, I'm working in to go window My these folks crazy. That's These folks are fucking crazy. Just come by. Hey what you want? Five dollars even just come on around to the front. Yeah You go. Oh, hey buddy whole projects come y'all better come up here today burks. I'm this is gonna be my last day That's a pretty good deal. That's a pretty good deal, man And then that's it. You've just been a pro athlete. That's it

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If I rewind back time, and I was going to college right now, I would probably get four year. They getting paid. I'm all for it though, I like it recruitment wise when you look back because you know, you're Legendary mountaineer obviously but I always feel like it's fun to know

How the recruitment process went and was there like a close number two was it it like, it was almost this other school? Oh yeah. So I was committed to Georgia Tech. You're committed to Georgia Tech. I was committed to Georgia Tech. You stay home basically, play at home. I was gonna stay home. I had offers from everywhere, Georgia, Notre Dame, NC State, Tennessee,

I say Notre Dame, Miami, Florida. I pretty much could have went anywhere besides Michigan and Ohio State. And first I wanted to stay home. Then my grandma got sick with cancer. I was like, I gotta get away from here. Just so mentally. Yeah. It don't drain me. Yeah, yeah, sure. But yeah, Shane Gailey was the coach at Georgia Tech at that time.

Yeah, I almost went to Georgia Tech. And then my boy, Kieren Fox, who went to Georgia Tech, who went to high school with me, played in the league for a good little while. He was like, bro, this school shit hard as fuck. I was like, oh, really? He's like, yeah, man, we got to go every, I said, y'all doing all the work? That one's off the list. And so, the visit I went to West Virginia, we wasn't doing no goddamn work.

Work was football. Yeah, yeah, you're like, this feels right. This sound like what I wanna do right here. So yeah, and Rodriguez and Coach Byrd and Coach Gibby, they was really good to me. Coach Ryde is a player's coach. No, Coach Ryde is a coach coach. Coach Ryde,

first of all, he's disciplined. But he's what I needed, I should say this. Like, cause I've never really, I don't like self coaches. I want you to tell me when I'm right, when I'm wrong, how I'm doing it, the way to do it better. It's your fucking job. You know what I'm saying?

And some guys, they like the soft coaches. Coach Rod is, he's a player's coach, but if you wanna get better, you wanna win? He's the kind of coach you want. He's not one of them soft, easy-going coaches. It come from the bottom is hard though. He's a great dude. And you respect it.

Yeah, you respect the fact that this guy cares. He's holding you accountable. Yeah, I can see that. Okay, same thing when you said you got to college, you're like, I'll be here three years and I'm out. Do you feel the same thing when you said you got to college, you're like, I'll be here three years and I'm out. Do you feel the same way when you arrive with the Tennessee Titans, you're in the NFL now? It's like, I'm here to...

I was here to stay at Tennessee. But I'm saying you feel that confident too, going in the NFL? Yeah. You do. I was first defense blood. I know. First defense blood, but I've always...

I don't know what the mental is. My confidence have never changed. Yeah. Like, I think I can do, I might can't tell a joke better than you, but anything physically, physical, or athletic-wise, I feel like I'm the best in anything. Yeah.

And I've never not thought, oh, hold on. Hey, it's funny. Hey. Say hey to Tom. What's up? Say hey to Tom. What's up, man? Tom, what's happening? How you doing? Hey, we're doing a show right now.

What did I tell you the first day I walked in the locker room? Looked like you had the dealership, huh? Yeah, at the start. Can't hide it. Here, put it here. Monday! Pac, put it here, near the mic so we can hear. You said, you said,

you guys got about two and a half years with me, three years max, and I'm out. here It's not like Sitting there like yo, like I'm not coming here to stay but like this is not this is not home to me Yeah, it is home, but like I'm out of this mother. Yeah, I better get everything I can get out of me. Yeah in these next two and a half Everything y'all can get out of me. Yeah, next two and a half Yeah, three years that's it I'll be in the league see you guys later That's cool, bro, all right, I just want to have you tell that story We got any new whips down there bro. We need to get some of these whips to WVU bro. What's up?

Okay, all right That was great. That was amazing. So. Shout out my boy Pat. All right. You're in the league. It's every kid's dream. I'm sure this is for you, the real, like you said, you left a life that you didn't want to go back to. It's a rough upbringing, obviously, in a tough, tough part of Atlanta. Now you're in the league.

How crazy is getting a first NFL check? Oh, it was crazy. I'll never forget it. It's different between having a couple hundred thousand. Yeah. Then you get one check and you got eight million dollars in your bank account. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

I was like, hell yeah, go buy every motherfucking thing. Do you remember the first big ticket you bought, big ticket item? The first big ticket item was about 60 acres. Oh yeah, okay. My crib in Nashville, that was the first big ticket. I spent 1.8 for it and I bought my mom a house. Cars, galore. Yeah. I'm a big car guy though. Sure, yeah convertibles, the first year they came out, 2006, I spent like a dollar 20 on that one. But the Bentley, I had a Bentley and Lambo.

Two months later, I think I spent like 190, 200 on the Bentley. The Lambo was like 225. Yeah, this is good shit, man. Kalec trucked a week after that. So you went hard. Yeah, I did. I probably, like, I was good though. Cause I took some of that and couldn't touch it

for like 10 years. Oh, you put it in like a trust account or something? Yeah, I wanted to tell everybody about my business. Yeah, yeah, but sure. Where you put yours at? Trust account. No, I'm talking about. So we ain't, they can't sue us for it. Yeah, that's true.

Some people don't understand that. But yeah. Good luck, motherfucker. Good luck, motherfucker. Touch me again, I'm gonna whoop your ass. Ha ha! You think you're getting some of this money? You know, food.

No, I'm just playing, but yeah. A couple motorcycles. I'm a big motorcycle guy, four wheelers. If you look back on, you know, crazy purchases, what is the dumbest shit you ever bought? Like, you know, when people are like. Well, I went to Miami one weekend, bro, and this was like my second time going to Miami.

And I got in like a bottle war. Oh, at like a club? At a club, which was the dumbest shit ever. Like some other dudes like, I got four bottles, like that kind of thing and you're like, I'm gonna get eight bottles. Yeah, this one, Trina and Trick Daddy, that's when, this was 2000, 2006.

That's when the beach was cracking, like everybody was 2006. That's when the beach was cracking. Everybody was there. Who's Who was on South Beach. And I just so happened to be sitting right beside them. I was like, whatever bottle they buy, I'm gonna buy two more. Yeah. And what I didn't realize was,

I don't think they was paying for their bottles. They were getting free bottles. Yeah. And what I didn't realize was, I don't think they was paying for their bottles. They were getting free bottles. Yeah. And they were like, but you. Yeah, and my tab ended up being like $76,000. Told that dude, I don't know who ordered all that. But bro, no, no. And at that time, I didn't even know what crystal was.

Them fucking bottles was like $2,000. Come on, man. I'm like, bro, you know, I'm young, you know, not thinking how high these bottles really are. Yeah. Yeah, that was probably one of the dumbest things that I would like to take back. That $80,000 tab.

Everything else, like... What's the most you ever dropped at a strip club? $80K. That's pretty fucking intense. Yeah, I won a million dollars in Vegas. Oh. When I got in trouble that night. Really? I took a hundred thousand dollars to the club. You won, but you won a million before? A million dollars. On tables or? Yeah playing craps. That was the night I got in trouble bro. Really? They rolled me back to, I was at the Palms at

the Michael Jordan party. I can't tell all this, like how I wanna tell it. But I was at the Michael Jordan party at the Palms Hotel and I ended up winning a million dollars. They took me back in a fucking brink truck back to Caesar's Hotel. I had the whole top floor at Caesar's. And you know how much a million dollars is in cash and hundreds, of course you know that's a lot of money. It's a lot.

It's equivalent of, how do I explain this? Maybe 100,000 ones. Yeah, it's just like shh. So I didn't have enough room to put the money in. So I had to go to all of the rooms that all of my, I had like 20 rooms on the top floor. I'm going to each room, putting in the code, putting 50 in this one.

Oh really? 50 in this one. Because I had nowhere to each room, putting in the code, putting 50 in this one. 50 in this one. Because I had no where to hold the money and I was damn sure I wasn't going to leave my whole million dollars in one room. My stepdad actually, RIP Red, he didn't believe the room after I won a million. He just stayed in the room for me. Really, just like, yeah.

That's cool. after I won a million. He just stayed in the room for me. Really, just like, yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. He's one on one. I miss him, bro. He was a good dude. Good for me. Yeah.

That is also, you talk about experiences. I can't imagine the rush of winning a million dollars. Oh, yeah. So the most I've won is a million one time. I don't want like 300,000 a couple times. I don't lost the most I've lost. That's a good question probably like 300 craps Yeah, that's your game. Yeah, I play blackjack too, but like I don't understand craps I don't know like when I like a blackjack is a game like I you know learned a long time ago So it's like a comfort thing where I go. I see the blackjack is a game like I learned a long time ago.

So it's like a comfort thing where I go, I see the Blackjack table, I go, I sit, I see craps, everyone's having a great time, but I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I love it because, I'm saying, seven, you out of there. On the first roll, you went on seven, 11. If you roll two, three, or 12, you lose. In the casino, you don't lose up top when you roll two, three, or 12, you lose.

In the casino, you don't lose up top when you roll 12. But I was betting $4,000. A roll? Every number. Oh, every number. So every time I'm rolling, unless I go out, I'm winning 4,000. Wow.

So I caught fire. Yeah. I done caught fire a couple times But and I'll take them down like so let's just say I hit six numbers at four thousand five four six five nine and Then I turn them off and then let it go. But like yeah, I'm asking good a lot of really good times Because I bet man, we should play crap sometime you good times in the casino. I bet, man. We should play craps sometime.

You take me to play craps? Yeah. I'll go play craps with you. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. I'll have a Vegas date later this year. Yeah, I'm with that. All right, cool.

Now on a trouble night, you said you got in trouble that night. You got in trouble a couple times. Yeah. What, like, did you ever have any wild shit happen locked up or was it always pretty much in and out? I'm a ticking time bomb. I can hold my own. I believe that.

I've never had, now with me and the officer, yeah probably, but like inmates? No. No, because I'm coming in on bullshit time. First of all, I'm probably pissed off that I'm in there whenever I'm going. Yeah. And a couple times I'm probably a little bruised up. Yeah, yeah.

Not bruised, boozed. Yeah. And so you're boozed up, so everyone's like staying clear, you mean? Like people just know? Um, I don't know. But no one's like, oh, you're famous. Like, that's crazy that you asked me that to you because I never think about that Really out of all the million times I've been to jail. Yeah

It's normal. I hurry up the fuck up and come get me. Yeah, it's if I got to sit in there a couple days I don't even want nobody to talk to me. Yeah And no one does but I'm just saying like Yeah they do because they know who I am. That's what I'm saying. But I go ahead and cut it off quick. Don't talk to me. Like him, man you know Pac-Man and he in jail and he. Shut the fuck up.

Okay. This motherfucker crazy. Okay. Yeah, I am. Okay. Okay. Yeah, leave am. Okay. Okay. Yeah, leave me the fuck alone. What do you tell a young guy,

what would you tell like a rookie today about going into the league? What's your advice to that guy? Maybe even a young Pac-Man. Like for my son, whatever it is. First of all, don't do what I do, do what I tell you. You know what I mean? Everything is a business.

Like coming from college to the league, I see a lot of guys that forget, like this ain't college, bro. This is business. We're winning, guess what? The coach is fucking getting fired. The GM is getting fired. There's gonna be some new motherfuckers in here in four years.

So it's really it's big business like and. You are what you put out. You're only good as your last performance. And I understood that, like I teach my son, like he's probably with third fastest kid in the nation. Third fastest kid in the nation. Yeah, he's probably, well he's third fastest kid in the nation. Third fastest kid in the nation? Yeah, he's real deal. But he understands the process.

I have to tell this motherfucker, hey yo bro, put the ball down. Stop dunking the ball. We got damn near six basketball goals all the way around the house. He's just always. He understand, I will say this, it's easier for him to understand

because he got a picture in front of him of me, Chris, a lot of Vontez people that he's around, T-Hig, that he he kinda tunnel vision, I guess. He can emulate you guys like, yeah. Yeah, it's hard to explain it, but I guess the best way to say it is, you are what you're hanging around. Is his favorite basketball or football?

Football. Football. Yeah. And he's fast as shit. Man, this little motherfucker so fast. Like, he way better than me. I was not what he was at seven years. He just turned seven, bro. Seven?

This motherfucker just turned seven and can run 100 up on the 13 seconds. Wow. I bet you you couldn't beat him right now in 100 yard dash. I would take your angle. You wanna bet on it? No, I would bet against me as well.

I will bet anybody as much as you want that his kid will beat me. Go ahead and take that action. Junie's one on one. My oldest daughter Zaniya, she's at Mississippi State right now. Full ride, getting paid. Nice.

She's a track star too. Jesus, you guys. My middle daughter Trent She she were pretender. She's really blessed and gifted But like it's hard to get her. She's more of the now that I want to do tick-tock Instagram. Okay, she's so gifted and telling She actually run track right now The coast then let her run. She actually run track right now. The coach didn't let her run.

She was a freshman running varsity. You know you got one of them kids that know that they're good and don't wanna really like dial into it. Yeah, of course. That's true. Yeah. But she'll get there. Yeah.

It'll click. Cause she like nice things. If you like nice things, you gotta put the work in to get nice things. That's true and Everybody ain't gonna be a track star that ain't for everybody. I'm not pushing that on her but like yeah Hey, this is some money over here that you might not want to leave on the table Yeah, you can get this to go build something else. Mm-hmm And um, that's what I'm trying to drill in our head right now. When I look back at NFL stuff, people always,

you know, if they're talking about dirty players, they always talk about defensive players. But I'm wondering, do you look back, do you ever think of any offensive player as dirty? Yeah, Curtis Bitch-Ass, who played with the Jets the receiver He was he was a slumb bag bro. Like really? Yeah. Yeah, I chased his ass after the game I was trying to get to him because he was It was bad

Curtis, okay. I only I only know his fucking first name He was 87 or 88 or something for the Jets. Is that Curtis Martin? No, he was receiver. Receiver. He was fucking just blocking after the play, clipped me a couple times. He wouldn't stop. I had to punch him. I got a 15-yard penalty this game.

Who's the 2012 roster? Let's see that. What year is this right here? This is 12. Try 14. Percy Harvin's there. Jeremy Curley's there. Scroll down. Yeah, this might be the this right here? This is 12. Try 14. Percy Harvin's there. Jeremy Curley's there. Scroll down.

Yeah, this might be the year right here. Who was 87 on that team? Scroll to the roster. Yeah. It's further down. There we go. One of these guys. Who we got?

87. Eric Decker's there. Pull up Eric Decker picture. Was it Decker? It was it was it was Decker He was doing dirty shit, yeah, that's what was that's who it was yeah, he was bro Never forget this game. I'm most fucking almost it. On him. Yeah, it was Decker. So it was like after the whistle?

I chased his ass after the game too. Like all the way to the bus. All the way to the bus? Yeah. Yeah, all the way to the bus. Like blocking the back as the whistle blows. Yeah. Me and Kelsey, we had a couple little conversations too.

I used to fuck with, yeah it was funny. Me and Kelsey, we had a couple little conversations too. I used to fuck with, yeah it was funny. How incredible is seeing a white receiver corner or punt returner in the NFL? Don't you go, man, you're pretty special. Yeah, well not receiver wise, because it's a lot of really good white receivers. Like slot receivers. Like for real, that can fucking rout your ass up.

Yeah. Dan, Amidola. Yeah. Danny was on my team, he was on practice squad. He wasn't even on the roster. Really? When we first went to Dallas. And I would tell him, like, this little motherfucker,

he got juice. Really? Like, got juice. And a lot of guys, I should say white receivers, a lot of white receivers get looking over because they just don't run that fast, but they play fast. Right, different like skill set almost, right?

Way fast, in and out of breaks and all of that, but 40 times, it might not be a four three, it might be a four five. That was the famous thing about,'s not a wide receiver, but Jerry Rice is that he was like a four six guy. Yeah, he's fucking Jerry Rice He's like incredible when he's when the balls in his hand. Yeah, Jerry Rice. Don't don't don't drop too many balls No, he's got pretty decent hands. I've heard yeah. Yeah I'm not a rice fan, but like for the most part. No, he's not cool. Um I've met, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm not a Rice fan, but like, for the most part.

No, he's not cool? I've met him one time. I ain't gonna say he ain't cool. I don't know, I just, from me looking in from afar, I just, I haven't been, that's, he wasn't my, one of the guys that I looked up to. Yeah, who was like? I'm more like a bad boy guy.

I like Mike Irvin. You know what I mean? Because somebody I can relate to. LT? LT, love LT. Man, LT is. Oh my God. I still love watching an LT clip, highlight reel,

interview, everything about him. I love everything about LT. I was chilling with him not too long ago. Really? Drunk a whole fucking bar. I was like, bro, we gonna really drink. He like, you sit right here, you gonna drink it all with me.

Jesus Christ. He's one on one, one of one. Unbelievable person. And can hit a fucking golf ball too. Yeah. Yeah. He fucking golf ball too. Yeah. Yeah He was something else too. I mean yeah any coach the talk They're like man We couldn't it was like it was like having a like a pit bull on a leash and then you let it go and that

They like just nothing you could do you couldn't they would design an entire scheme for the week Leading up gonna work just yeah, Just to like try to avoid this guy. Yeah. That's really, he's really. LT101 man. And he's, the football is unbelievable. He's by far the best football player that ever played the game.

Yeah. But besides that, he's an unbelievable fucking person. Like unbelievable, like I can't, he a good shit talker too now. Oh yeah. Ooh, what? The original. What, anything you're doing with him competing,

shit, you might well get ready. Yeah. You might well get ready. It's, I talk a lot of shit. Yeah. He is the creator of shit talking. I mean, those great old NFL films things where they have mics on him That was like I think most people's introduction to like oh, this is what happens on the field

Yeah, we but I was like we're a pack of wild dogs that they like all that shit It was he's like that though like wake up play golf. Yeah, I didn't get no sleep trying to goddamn I've been beating your ass all You come over this I've been beating your ass all Been your ass all morning. You know, I mean well, this is the first hole Oh, he's like no, I was being your ass all morning while you were sleeping. I was already being He's the fucking greatest who what about rivalry wise is there somebody the shit burgers who you hated the most Yeah, we want wanna beat them. Yeah, I don't fuck with Ned in Pittsburgh.

I don't even date girls from Pittsburgh when I was dating. You gotta realize, I've never had a reason to like Pittsburgh. Well also you were- Went to WVU. Went to WVU. Fuck Pit. Fuck Pit. Eat shit pit. And then you were a b to WVU. WVU. Fuck Pitt. Fuck Pitt. Eat shit Pitt. And then you're a bangle and yeah. Made it even worse. Yeah. Um yeah so my whole life I

should say me being a grown-up I don't that's just. You don't fuck with Pittsburgh. Yeah and I mean it like yeah my boy came to my house and had the nerve to wear a fucking, I wasn't there. So they come in town, it was actually the week that Cincinnati played Pittsburgh, this is after football too. And I get in, I walked down, like, why you got, it was a, you know what it was? It wasn't even a jacket.

I mean a jersey, it was a blanket, you know. Oh yeah. The blanket. Yeah. I said, hey bro, take this shit and put it outside, bro. Do not bring that shit in the house. He looked at me like I was tripping. Yeah.

So I walked back upstairs. He go back in the studio, cause I got a recording studio down at the bottom where I do my music and stuff at. So I was saying I wait about 10 more minutes. I'm waiting, I'm looking at the cameras though to see if this motherfucker gonna walk out the door with this fucking thing, this Pittsburgh shit.

He sit his ass down there. Again, about four or five more minutes. I walked downstairs. I said, man, then you the fuck I just told you, bro? I said, take that shit out of my house. And he was like startled, like I was dead ass for real too. Yeah. Like, no for real.

Get it off. That's one thing, like, and like, of course, like I have to come and take about different things, which I'm not biased on that part But I am biased about anything else when they come to Pittsburgh. Yeah, like I have zero Love love like he ends up taking it out. I am II. I mean, I'm athlete we go to Pittsburgh I'm not that's the trip that you don't need me. Yeah

You don't I'm not walking in there. But you really hate it. Yeah. Did he take it out? Yeah, yeah. Did you set it on fire? No, I made him take it. It was his blanket, so I didn't want to be too rough on him.

But hurry up and get that shit out of here, bro. Yeah. We don't, anybody that know me, they know. Yeah. That piss person. Only thing, he ain't fucking with them. Yeah. He ain't fucking with them. And I like Mike Tum they know. Yeah Only thing he ain't fucking with him. Yeah Hey, I like Mike. Yeah as a person sure I Ain't going fucking Mike. Tell me party

Not why he would Pittsburgh anyway, he moved somewhere else. I might go but like no, that's just That's just me man. I'm loyal to a team and I don't fuck with Black and Yellow. That's just one team I don't fuck with. I get it, man. Not college, not Lillie, high school, definitely not the pros. And definitely not any Pittsburgh restaurants. Anything, Pittsburgh. I don't fuck with the baseball team.

Pit B. Hockey team. The Pirates. Yeah. The airport. The airport. You ain't gonna catch me in that, motherfucker. They gotta pay me a real big bad for me to come to Pittsburgh, and I ain't talkin' about no little.

I believe it, dude. So what is, cause you're a super interesting guy to chat with and hang out with. What do you feel like is a general misconception about you that people would be surprised to know? I'm really a loving and caring person. You know what I mean? If I fuck with you, I fuck with you.

I think that's, everybody think I'm so unapproachable. Yeah. Because I do have an on and off switch. Yeah, I mean I had a bit about it. Yeah, but. What's up Pac-Man? Tell that motherfucker. Tell that motherfucker I love.

Yeah. But you are a approachable guy. I am approachable in certain circumstances. And just don't come at me the wrong way kind of thing it seems like, right? I'm like, I'll give you the shirt off my back. But it might not fuck with you, not why I'm right there, you know what I'm saying? I feel like what you're saying is, in the short time that I've known you is true. The other thing I think would surprise people,

I think you're a pretty self-aware, introspective guy. Like in a short conversation with you, you're like, oh, this guy really is a layered thinker. I think it would surprise people who only- A lot of people think I'm dumb. I don't mean that, I just meant- No, you can say it. I didn't think you were dumb.

Just say it. I thought you were pretty dumb. Yeah, you thought I was dumb. No, I didn't think you were dumb. What I was saying was that you don't- You can tell the truth, bro. I thought you were pretty dumb. Yeah, I thought I was dumb. No, I didn't think you were dumb. What I was saying was that you don't- You can tell the truth, bro. I'm telling the truth, man. I'm saying that you don't expect sometimes

when you meet somebody for them to volunteer right away their philosophy and their introspection. And it usually indicates that somebody is a deeper thinker than you would otherwise believe. People read headlines about you. That's not like fully knowing somebody. So I think it was a surprise and I think it's something that people would be surprised to know. He's not dumb.

Well, he just said he thought I was dumb. People keep thinking that I'm dumb. I don't think you're dumb. It might help me in the long run. I am dumb. Yeah, it might help me in the long run. I am dumb I'm dumb. Okay. I'm a fuck. I'm in this dumb You're not dumb dude. I just look like this And then you see

The guys that I hang around you hang around dumb people you be dumb. I don't hang around no dumb people You have a lot of smart for you one of them Thank you. I'm not that dumb. I am kind of dumb but Look smart to me sound smart to me. Well, thanks man. I do want to tell people before they Before you leave about the the pac-man jones show. Yeah, this is a podcast that you can get real, raw, insight, analysis, opinions on all kinds of things. Obviously, you're also good, good friends with Pat McAfee and you've been a part of that show.

It's fun to watch you and those guys, it's an entertaining fun show and you interact with them all the time, but there's just places that people can see you is my point. Oh yeah, you can see me anywhere, but you can catch me on The Pac-Man, The Pac-Man Jones Show.

Likely we're on all platforms. Also, my music is The real Pac-Man Jones. I got some new music that's coming out. It's been doing pretty good. And you know, shout out my boy, Pat McAfee. I'm on there off season. Nice. So yeah, it's been good, man.

I've truly been blessed to be around a lot of good people, to learn a lot of good people, to learn a lot of good things. I don't take it for granted. To have a relationship with a certain network of people is, what they say is not about, it ain't about, what is, how does it say? It say it's not about what you know,

it's about who you know. It's a lot of smart people in this world. And I'm definitely not the smartest person in the world. I'm very dumb. And it's good to have smart people around my dumb ass because they can help me, I guess, get smarter, you know what I mean? And I don't take it for granted.

Definitely don't take it for granted. Like all my relationships, I kind of like keep them right here tucked in. One of the cool things about the fight that we were at was watching people interact with you. Because people are, like I saw a lot of people light up when they saw you. They were very excited.

My Rolodex is pretty long. Yeah, I believe it. Even watch, I watched you hit up Jerry. And that was fun to watch. Jerry is like my dad. To a certain extent, shout out to the Cowboys, Jerry Jones. Was that an awesome experience? It was.

It was. Yeah, you ever shit on a gold toilet? We got money, but like. No, I've never shot on it. I've never thought about buying gold toilets. He has those. You ever thought about it? I never, I remember that was like a,

even before his presidential stuff, that was a Trump thing that they were like, oh his apartment in Manhattan has a gold toilet. Jerry Jones had gold toilets, shit. Long as, I'm talking this gold all the way back. Of course he had that house for God knows when, but man, I'm talking about everything in the bathroom fucking gold, bro.

Like no little gold, I'm talking about real gold. Real gold, yeah. Like, that was my first time even knowing what a bidet was. I ain't blowing, what the, oh my God. What is this, what, what we got going on? And you're like, I gotta get one of these, yeah. There's no other experience.

After you use a bidet, and then you leave, and you're somewhere that doesn't, you're like, am I an animal? I'm wiping, mashing shit against myself? Just give me a spray, man. Give me the bidet. Yep. Did I say it right?

Bidet? Bidet. Bidet. Yeah. Hell yeah. I got one of those now. That's the best. Shout out.

Jerry turned me on. And you had a, you shat on a gold toilet. Everything in Jerry's, every bathroom, all the bathrooms that I went in when I stayed at Jerry World will go. That's wild. Yeah. Have you seen his yacht?

I saw that on Instagram. Yacht crazy. It's called Bravo Eugenia. Yes. You see the toilet? Oh shit, yeah. Tell you bro. That ain't the bathroom though, that is not his bathroom.

He's talking about Jerry Jones bathroom. I'm talking about Jerry Jones bathroom. That is his fucking god, that's fucking nuts. That's a house. That's crazy bro. What you think it cost? 225 million. Woo!

Yeah, that's pretty intense. That's what I haven't been on though, I gotta ask Jerry. 225 million? Woo! Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty intense. That's what I haven't been on though. I gotta ask Jerry. You gotta hit him up. Hey bro, let me get the yacht, Jerry! Just for like a weekend, let him fucking hang out. Yeah. That's a 358 foot yacht.

Wow, that's pretty insane. Fucking house. That's pretty insane. That's a whole goddamn hotel, man 225 million That's there's levels to this level to this shit God damn well That's cool that you have such an affection for him. I think that's awesome. Yeah Look, man, it's always been good to me even after football. Really? That's cool that you have such an affection for him. I think that's awesome. Yeah. Look man.

He's always been good to me, even after football. Really? Certain investments, certain things I've done to still be able to live the way that it's comfortable, I should say. Yeah. He got a big part of that. Really, that's awesome.

And he's somebody you can run ideas by, like that kind of thing too. Oh, he's somebody I can run ideas and money that's awesome. And he's somebody you can run ideas by, like that kind of thing too. Oh, he's somebody I can run ideas and money by. Yeah, and he'll give you good. He's a real deal. That's awesome to hear. This was so much fun. I can't thank you enough for coming here.

Don't forget to check out the Pac-Man Jones show, Politely Raw. You'll see him in the off season on the Pat McAfee show. You might see us at a craps table pretty soon. I'm gonna take my good luck charm, Pac-Man Jones to the table. You're gonna show me what's up because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

We'll start off with like five grand. Okay. And then we'll see what we come back with. Okay. And if we hit something crazy. Oh, we gonna hit something. Then we're gonna go out though. We play to win the game. We are bringing the money out. Yeah. We'll put the most in the safe and then we come back with. Okay. And if we hit something crazy. Oh, we're going to hit something. Then we're going to go out. We play to win the game.

We are bringing the money out. Yeah. We'll put the most in the safe and then we're going out. Yeah, we're going out. Okay. Thank you, brother. Thanks for coming in. And I appreciate you.

We'll see you guys next week. For happening, my boy. Absolutely. Smell me! Bert and Tom, Tom and Bert. One goes to the top and smile, the other wears the shirt. Tom tells stories and Bert's the machine. There's not a chance in hell that they'll keep it clean.

Here's what we call a man's life. We're going to get the money. We're going to get the money. We're going to get the money. We're going to get the money. We're going to get the money.allows the other, wears the shirt. Tom tells stories and Burt's the machine. There's not a chance in hell that they'll keep it clean. Here's what we call, Two Bears, One Cave.