2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer - Bussin' With The Bears w/ Will Compton | 2 Bears, 1 Cave

Episode Date: June 24, 2024

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100% All right, we are so happy there's only one of them here it's the one we prefer Joining us from bussing with the boys. It is Will Compton everybody. Let them hear it bring it in loud and clear Why didn't your um Your co-hosts join you Kindergarten graduation kindergarten Kindergarten graduation. He's going back to school. It popped up on the schedule.

Wow. I know you guys want to make a joke. No one got that joke. Sorry, what'd you say? He's going back to school getting his education. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Billy Madison, he's making a run. So. Yeah, kindergarten graduation.

That's a big one. One of the things I remember the most, looking back on my life, was the impact of graduating kindergarten and the fact that my parents were there and that we celebrated there were gifts there were pancakes after it's a big deal I could see why I'm so sick of you fucking rich dads showing up and killing it as dads it sucks so bad you you're sick of you guys you guys no no no no no no no no you guys are of you guys. You guys be good. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no you guys are like

You guys are like general mccarthur sitting in the boardroom going. That's right. Send them to the shore Like i'm the I was the foot soldier as a dad broke as fuck And i'm watching all these dads kill it and I did not kill it Do you know what if I had kindergarten graduation and you offered me to be on possible the boys? Yeah, you know how quick I would have been on that. I would be like fuck her. I know I I would have fucked her. You wouldn't have said fuck her quick I would've been on that? I would've been like, fuck her. I would've fucked her. You wouldn't have said fuck her. I would've said fuck her.

I would've said fuck them. He would've said, sweet, I don't know if I can, what do you think I should do? He would've just said, I gotta go do this thing. Yeah. Yeah. You guys kill it and it fucking frustrates me. Now. Thanks. Yeah.

So you. Sounds like a compliment, but you're not saying it. It is, it is. Tom is always like, I gotta get home and see my kids. It's true. He's always like, they're gonna fucking be there forever. Yeah. Family's a higher priority for Tom. You know what I mean?

Is it though? That's only, only Tom can answer that, but some people prioritize family. Let's prioritize it. Okay. Would you enjoy playing one more season in the NFL? Would you enjoy that? Yeah.

Okay. You get the call tomorrow from Robert Kraft. Here's the deal. We got a hole in the Patriots organization. We have a hole. It's $20 million. Big gap we gotta fill. I don't know what they get paid in the NFL.

You get $20 million. I got paid minimum, so it don't know what they get paid in the NFL. It's $20 million. I got paid minimum, so it'd be. $150,000. Probably 1.2. 1.2? Wow. Just to put pads on, that's it? You just said there's a big hole in the team,

I'm assuming I'm playing. You're going, okay, that's what I said, okay. Seven million, seven million, seven million. Okay, seven million, all right. But we need you, we need you stat, and we're gonna need million, okay seven, but we need you we need you stat And we're gonna need you do you leave the family and just focus on sports one more time not now. No, no, no It's over now. Well wait at this point. Let's say you're see I could play Let's say yeah, you're physically kid

But what if you would you have the conversation with your wife of like should we move to let's say in this scenario? New England for a season to do this? Yeah. You would have that conversation. Yeah, yeah. Like let's say I was in the middle of my career and this situation popped up.

Absolutely, yeah. I mean, you would, yeah, you'd move the family to wherever it was for whatever you're doing. Especially if it was like a great opportunity. Absolutely. Now that we have little old Rue, two years old, she just turned two in April, now that, because I had, I see it as like,

I'm grateful that I had kids after my career. Because now that I have Ru and I know how invested and like obsessed I am with her, I don't see how guys do it. And they're gone so much and have to commit so much to something elsewhere. Yeah, especially these like, well, in your scenario, I know a couple of guys who it's like,

they have their home base, they have their schools they like, they have their community, and then, you know, they get, whatever, the fucking Rams call them, and they have to go, they have to go to LA, but they like having their family in Nashville or whatever, and it's like, it really disrupts the whole family dynamic. Yeah, vets who have families, I would be in OTAs, like really disrupts the whole family dynamic. Yeah, vets who have families that would be in OTAs, like OTAs Monday through Thursday,

every Thursday they'd be on the earliest flight out that they could after practice to go spend the weekend at home. Yeah. And then they fly back from Monday to Thursday. That's a lot, it's taxing on you too, for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. Now don't you, like right now we're in OTAs right now,

do you feel like, man, it's so nice to not be doing them? Yes. Of course, right? Yes. What's OTAs? OTAs, off-season, wait, optional, organized team activities. Organized team activities. It's like paintball and stuff?

And it's- Yeah, guy, position groups will go do fun stuff. Voluntary. Yeah, yeah, it's voluntary. And basically it's like Monday through Thursday, there's different phases. So you have phase one where you're just training and then doing like install, like meetings.

And then you get to the next couple of weeks is where you're out on the field with your coaches, no pads, no physical activity, even though they find edges around it. And then the last few weeks will be like, you'll have actual practices with helmets on and then you'll get to do like a three day mini camp. It's kind of nice, I think, with the way,

because there's pluses and minuses to the way things have evolved. I think it's kind of nice for you guys, for players active right now, that it's evolved to kind of reduce the amount of impact that you guys take, right? That's kind of nice. Yeah, you'll go, it'll be like eight in the morning

until noon, you only get four hours. It's in the later part of the weeks or OTAs where I think it ramps up to like six hours. But you'll go, once you're done at noon, you're like, you'll be on the golf course at like 1.30, two o'clock with the boys. Do you know Thursday, some guys are like host. We have like backyard games.

Corey Lichtensteiger, shout out the boy. He would always host people Thursdays over at his house. Backyard, he'd have a volleyball court set up, spike ball, ping pong, pizza coming in, so everybody would be hanging out. Do you miss it the way I like, I miss my fraternity? How do you miss your fraternity? Like I just miss the, I miss the like,

a bunch of people that knew me. The camaraderie. Yeah, the camaraderie, you'd show up and you'd bust balls at like, on Friday at noon and on Thursday, someone would be like, yo, let's go, let's go get mushrooms. And you'd be like, fuck yeah. Like, or like, or like someone would be like, Hey, skip cast. Let's go drink. And you'd be like that energy. I'll never get it back. I'll never live in another world like that.

I don't know if I want it in my life again per se, but I do look back and I go, I think that's what the NFL would have been like. Same, same. It's the, I mean, mean it is everybody says that they miss the locker room they miss the camaraderie and you just miss like I don't know how to explain it like you and miss you miss embracing that suck with the boys and Now we all have families and everything else stuff comes in the more perspective the older we get so it's like that part of like you Miss it, but also you don't know if you could go through it again Yeah

but these kids these athletes have no clue, like this small window to take advantage of and like fully go all in and commit yourself to something for, in our game, in our sport, that's for the betterment of the team and everything else for like, I fortunately got to play for nine,

practice squad year. That counts. Yeah, it counts. That counts, dude. I got to play for nine, but even in college, man, like you do, you embrace, but even in college, man, you do, you embrace, we reflect on stories,

we reminisce, sit by the fireside and tell stories, and you miss that shit. I think the only thing, I said before, I think the only thing an amateur athlete has really in common with a professional athlete is the camaraderie aspect. In other words, if you only played high school sports, you still get to go, hey, the best part was the same thing.

Practice, hanging out, riding the bus. The smell of the locker room. That's what you reflect on. And then you talk to pros, and theirs is just, it's the same thing just at a higher level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just money gets involved. But it's literally all the same stuff. Once yeah. Just money gets involved, but it's literally

all the same stuff. Once you step on a turf field and it's sunny out and it's mid-90s and you smell that turf the minute you step on it, all the memories of, oh, we had some good times out here, but I'm thankful I'm not doing that shit anymore. But you also, it's like, man, these kids have no clue what they get to do right now.

All the shit that goes on, you could be working construction, you could be working all these miserable jobs, but you get an opportunity to come out here and play football, play a game. I still can't believe when I go, when I'm in Florida and it's August as a grown man, and you're walking around, it's like 100% humidity, you're like, how did we used to put on helmets

and pads and run around in this? This is fucking brutal. I was at a Nebraska's practice a few weeks ago and just hearing the pads popping and everything else, I'm thinking how in the hell was I out there? Doing that. Like, is that kind of hurt seeing these dudes hit each other right now?

I was just like, Jesus Christ. What percentage of the time did you get on the field and feel 100% at practice? Cause I remember baseball practice and I was in the best shape I'd ever been in my life always being like oh fuck I don't want to run now I go I wish I could run like that yeah yeah sure yeah like are you saying like how often did I step in the field and feel fully healthy no are you saying like like did you I did you show up to practice the way everyone shows up to the

gym like fuck oh yeah bro really putting the helmet on especially you don't have a sweat going on yet you just gotta like muscle, bro. Really? Putting the helmet on, especially you don't have a sweat going on yet. You just gotta like muscle it on your head. You got the pads on, you're just thinking your ankles are banged up, your knees. You feel something in your upper hamstring. And it's like, let's go, go. Yeah, you're thinking to yourself,

oh you got one-on-ones today, I'm gonna have to cover a running back out of the backfield. Like good, I mean it's, you don't know joy. Did you almost say out of the blackfield? I get it. They are, they are, usually. They're definitely all black guys't know. Did you almost say out of the black field? I get it. They are, they are. They're definitely all black guys, usually. Unless you got Rex Burkhead or a couple of, you know,

the great white hopes that are out there. There's a couple. Christian McCaffrey, best in the league. Unbelievable. We just had somebody drafted at cornerback. How many like white guys, like I know a white corner. First in a generation. Yes, he almost slipped in the first round too.

When there's like, when there's great white athletes, do you still think there's older, I always think there's older guys especially, who watch like Luca play ball, and they're like, we still got it. Like they get like teared up, like, we still got it. There's no doubt that when you have the huddle around you, and you're giving the call,

and you are the only white guy in the huddle. It's an amazing feeling. And one of your boys boys like one of the d-line was like a comp You know, you're the only white guy out here like that is respect. Oh, it's like it's the ult Okay, here's how I was just having this the tears there's tears of black compliments, right and they they all feel great There's nothing like a black compliment. So the first thing he's right What year? Cause I'm listening to a documentary on Martin Luther King right now.

What year do you think black compliments became a thing? Oh, well that's interesting. Like in the 60s, you couldn't like, as a black guy you couldn't like dap up a dude in a hardware store. Well actually. Like where the white guys in the home being like, hey you're the only black guy out here.

Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. What, were the white guys in the home being like, hey, you're the only black guy out here. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Oh, yeah. I hear it in my head. Did a black guy say to a white guy, I like those shoes, and the white guy was like, ah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Definitely was probably not the 60s. Not the 60s. But OK, I think shoes are like, if you go right now, shoes are always, if a black guy's like, those are some fresh kicks, you're like. It's the only compliment you need. You're like, this is gonna be a great day, right? 10 white guys can shit on you and you won't give a fuck.

You don't care. You're fit, that's another one. If black guys compliment your fit, that's definitely one. When black guys tell you you're funny, like when black people after a show, it's unbelievable. It's not funny, it's, Tom, you not funny, it's Tom, you're stupid. Yeah, you're stupid. Tom, you're stupid.

Are you funny, motherfucker? The food falling out of his mouth, you're like, all right, cool. He's like eating like crazy. You know what I get from black comics? You a rock star. Oh, that's good. I like that a lot.

That's nice, that's a good compliment. I got that from Cat Williams. Yeah, that's a good compliment. That's a bad one. That's a good one. I was like, fuck, shirt's coming off in five I was like, I was like fuck Shirts coming off in five in him after the Shannon Sharp episode. That's the compliment from the certain guy you need Oh, dude, the fact that yeah, like that is right, man Like like comments from black comics Mike Epps ran into Mike Epps and he was like I was like

I remember going like I had partied with Mike. I knew Mike but I was like, you know who I am Yeah, like the fat was like a big thing. It's Mike, I knew Mike, but I was like, you know who I am? Yeah. Like that was like a big thing. It's a big deal. Yeah. But the, okay, then your music choices, that's another incredible compliment. Yeah, you're very vulnerable if you grab the aux.

Yeah. And you're showing up that first song inside. Yeah. Fuck, am I about to? But the ultimate, I've always thought the ultimate black eye compliment, if you're a white guy is athletic prowess so if if somebody that's like The top tier I think oh yeah, so if you're playing and you're in a huddle and they're like you're the only white guy here

So patrol yeah. Yeah, that's the great. I mean that's it's it's peak. It's peak. I remember my high school my high school head coach for a couple of years played linebacker at East Carolina. And we saw his team photo. He was the only white guy on the defense and he had a shaved head and a Fu Manchu and he looked like a fucking lunatic. And we were like, dude.

You almost embrace your white side even more around the brothers when they're like hyping you up. Yeah. You'd be like were like, dude. You almost embrace your white side even more around the brothers when they're like hyping you up. Yeah. Be like a crazy white dude. You're the crazy white guy. You say, oh, I'm gonna shave my head now. Yeah. This one's gonna sound weird, but another compliment I got,

and this is just for the audience out there, this one's gonna sound weird, but I weirdly enjoyed the compliment. Walking around the locker room, towel on after shower. No, not nice. That's a nice piece, but. Yeah. No, not nice, that's a nice piece. But, yo, Comp, you got ass. Oh.

I kinda like that one. Yeah, yeah. There was always a part of me that's like, nice. Yeah, for sure. Your boys got ass. Okay. Cause usually white guys, it's like, you know. Flat ass.

Like I'm sure you guys are kinda flat asses. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And actually, you know, you guys. I'm just a crack in a hole. And pro athletes are very comfortable talking about physiques, because like your physique is your tool,

it's your instrument for you. Yeah. And so like, I've had other guys look at me and be like, you got no ass, man. Like other football players have said to me, and I'm like, what? Because no one ever really says that to you, but you guys observe that shit. We observe it every day. Oh shout out to the Bucs. This is what I'm willing to do Okay. Oh, sorry the I guess the best compliment is you got a great dick from a black guy. No doubt

No, as I started telling the story, I was like it'd be much better just be like yo comp You got a fucking tool on you Hey, you got some ass on you. Yeah I want to do a video where it's almost like the Soul Train line, but in the Buck's locker room, all the brothers, and I walk down Buck naked, and they just fucking roast me. And just the cameras from behind, and all you see is their faces, and me walking down naked.

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Losing their mind even if it makes sense. You're just like, I'm getting destroyed right now. Those are the most fun times. Yeah, those are fun times. Was there a feeling, I can only really relate to being in the NFL through hard knocks, but was there a feeling when you saw the dude come in with the big contract and you knew he wasn't getting cut, and there were guys that were like,

fuck, am I gonna make the squad this year? Was there an uneasiness in that? And did you look at that were like, fuck, am I gonna make the squad this year? Was there an uneasiness in that? And like, did you look at like other players like, God damn it, he doesn't have to worry about anything that's training camp. Yeah, 100%. I mean, being undrafted, you're wanting to make the team. So it's all, you're just, you're always,

we're all comparing ourselves. It's like when I'm trying to make the team, I just wanna make the team. So when I'm at the bottom of every depth chart, for a team on fucking punt, that's when you know you're in a bad spot. My number, I wore practice jersey number 46. That was the same number as Alfred Morris,

the running back for Washington, who just had a Pro Bowl season. So the writing almost feels like it's on the wall that you're not gonna be around because you're wearing the same number as the superstar on the team. And so when you're trying to make the team, like you just wanna make practice squad,

I'm thinking, man, $100,000 a year, that would change my life. When you're in college sharing, you know, pros either bitch about being on practice or whatever, you're thinking with your $800 scholarship check, you're like, bro, give me $100,000, I'll go practice. Like, why is this guy bitching? Then when you're on the practice squad,

you're comparing yourself to guys who are on the roster. It's like, yo, why is, I feel like I have more to offer than this dude. Like, why is he guy bitching? Then when you're on the practice squad, you're comparing yourself to guys who are on the roster. It's like, yo, why is, I feel like I have more to offer than this dude. Like, why is he on the roster? Like, man, it must be nice being on the roster because they have access to the 401k, the benefits, all the retirement programs and stuff. It's like, man, that shit would be awesome.

Then when you're on the team, you're on the fringe, you're just trying to crack the starting lineup. So then it's like, man, it must be nice being a starter. Then when you're a starter, you want the second contract. So when you're starting and playing a lot and you're up for a deal, you're hoping you can negotiate something awesome with the team, thinking that they're going to appreciate the grind that's been put in and like the growth and everything else. Like it's going to be honored. And then you realize like the teeth of the business then to where it's like, man, I might not,

I don't think I'm going to get to be one of those second contract guys. So when the boy Taylor First year we met he signed He signed the biggest deal in NFL history for offensive lineman. It was like five years for like 85 million dollars he came in with like Who's that dude off? Dukes of hazard with the white suit Oh boss hog boss hog. Boss Hog, he came in with a whole Boss Hog fit, cigar in his mouth, signed big, went to the presser, just fucking, you know, being the man.

And it's one of those things, you're sitting in the locker room, like in my selfish world of just being like, man, I bet that is so fucking cool. This dude doesn't have to worry about shit. Like I'm trying to grind and, you know, make the team hopefully become a starter on this team. But yeah, there's always, you're always comparing yourself. Then I'm assuming if you're the rich,

if you're the highest paid guy in the NFL or the highest paid at your position, you're probably looking at Forbes magazines on seeing which athletes stack up business-wise on the outside. And then when you're on the Forbes, it's like, okay, I don't wanna just be on the sports Forbes. I wanna be on the actual Forbes.

Then those guys compared to million. Like it's endless. It's an endless chase. It's endless. As I chose you you too that the chase really isn't where it's at though. Cause like you wanting to be on the next list isn't gonna, it's never gonna be fulfilling is my point. You're just gonna look at the next list.

What is it man? I read it in a psychology of money and it's like your ego sits right below like the next dollar or, you know, the dollar above whatever salary you want. Your ego sits right below that. I butchered that quote, but yeah, man, it's never ending. If you're in the rat race, it's like,

this past year from myself, and you'd appreciate this. I saw you sitting with Ryan Holiday on his podcast. He's a big stoic, I love some stoic stuff. Yeah, he's fantastic, I don't get it. Dude, you need to get, it sounds like you need to Ryan Holiday on his podcast. He's a big Stoic. I love some Stoic stuff. Yeah, he's fantastic. I don't get it. Dude, it sounds like you need to get some in your life. I don't get it. I don't get it.

But it's like just the power of no. All the opportunities we have all around us to amass and do as much as possible, make as much money as possible. Like, okay, we do one show a week. What if we went to two? What if we build this asset? What if we go out this tour, that tour, do all these things and build up for our next contract, all the stuff.

And then having Rue and realizing like, oh, man, you know, I'm kind of moving around a lot like the power of no, like saying no to things because you're saying yes to the weekend with that's a great one. Yeah. Like you're saying no to stuff means you're saying yes to the priorities you have that you have structured out. Yeah, that's it. I mean, here's my problem with stoicism and that whole thing is like, is that-

Okay, Bert, here we go. Buckle up in there, boys. Bert's philosophy's coming. Well, it's not, look, I can be a stoic too. I can read the books and tell you what they say. It's putting it into practice. Whatever. Well, that is, so putting it into practice

is something to roll your eyes at? Yeah. Why? I don't know, whatever. Whatever? I don't get it. Let's talk about it. I don't get it, I don't get it.

I love, I truly, I love these conversations by the way. Not that I'm saying there's a right, wrong, or different. I feel like no matter what. What do you not get? Yeah, what do you not understand about it? I don't know. The whole, Marcus Aurelius said, it's like, okay, cool.

That's your take on it. That's stoicism. It's like, there's like five books. I read them all. And then you need to just, because this emperor back in the fucking 1300s said it, then I'm going to live like that. The power of no sounds really sexy, but everyone listening to this doesn't live in a world where they get to say no.

For sure. And so like, it sounds like a luxury to this doesn't live in a world where they get to say no. For sure. And so like, it sounds like a luxury to me. Like when it goes back to the being a great dad, I didn't have the luxury of being a great dad. Like I had to like, I never, I've never said no in my fucking life because I always had to say yes. I had to say yes and then they would tell me no at times.

And so like, I don't get, get I like I just feel like the average person Is like I'd love to tell my boss to go fuck himself But I should have to show up like each shit cash checks was my whole Mentality in life and I feel like you would get that in the NFL. We're like you're like Yeah, it would be cool to like sit out training camp and negotiate a higher salary. God damn, right, bro It would be cool, but I'm not that guy. But you gotta know, you gotta know, yeah, but for me it's like just knowing where I'm at.

Like if I don't check my ego and some of this stuff, like ultimately I'm just going to be chasing my ambitions all the time and sacrificing whatever it is that might be, hey, I might be hurting this area of my life, I might be hurting that one. Cause you're right, it's like, what, what was it? Cash checks, each shit cash check, not everybody's in the, in the luxury of it, but it's like being in the spot that I'm in now and you get to kind of look at the scope of it all.

Like, Hey, who do I want to be? How do I want to move? What actually, what amount of money can I define it? So that way I'm not saying yes to everything. Everything has to be yes. Yeah. Kind of. Why? Cause I'm very lucky. to everything. Everything has to be yes? Yeah, kind of. Why?

Because I'm very lucky. So like if I, if I, You feel like you're taking advantage if you're not? Yeah, like, and I also feel like I'm losing opportunities. I'll tell you the first time I watch people say no, I'm gonna use real names and I'm gonna apologize to those people. ICM showcase, 18, 20 years ago, ICM showcase earthquake goes second.

Earthquakes fucking monster. And everyone walks away from that showcase. Uh, Nick Swartzman walked out. I think Reno Collier walked out. Dane Cook walked out. Like all these guys just like, I'm not following earthquake. No one was following. I was not in a position where I got to pick where I wanted to be in a lineup,

but I saw that as an opportunity and I said, fuck it, I'll do it. And I went after earthquake and I fucking killed and I got a development deal. I think people that go, I'm gonna pick my shots, they miss all those shots. Like I feel like putting yourself in the arena to do things gives yourself an opportunity.

You know, there's a lot of people that said no to the Tom Brady roast that when they got done putting yourself in the arena to do things gives yourself an opportunity. There's a lot of people that said no to the Tom Brady roast that when they got done were like, fuck, I should have done that. Whereas you know, when we got an offer, I was like, fuck yeah, I'm in, I'm in. I didn't even ask for money, I didn't even ask what we were doing. I said, I'm in, Tom's in too.

And then Tom's like, hold on. And Tom was like, a hard no. We had a long phone call with him and Tom spoke the whole time. And he was like, no. Yeah, because they wanted us to do something different Tom's like you know it's a roast and they were like well This is what we're looking for and we're like we can't I'm the whole time I'm like we can do that we can definitely do that, but like I look at everything as an opportunity

Give me a stoic meant idea and I'll and I'll pick it apart Tom help me out well call up Ryan Ryan. He's got a bookstore here, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a cool dude. He's a cool dude. And I think it's awesome that he's into stoicism. But stoicism is like cold plunging. It's like something that everyone's into right now.

And it's like, I'm just not going to. I already do my gratitude. But to say that you'll tear it apart, it's almost like stoicism is ultimately that shit is going to happen to you, and it's all about how you deal with it. It's not like just the power of saying no. Like you seeing things as an opportunity

and blocking out any noise that goes involved, like that's part of. The no thing isn't like, it actually has real value if you look at it this way. What it's saying is, if somebody, if he goes. Hang on, here's a great power of no. You say you're a hard in on something. You schedule it. Hang on, hang on. Let me teach you. Here's the power of saying no. Here we go. Tom,

Tom, I have a great example. Power of saying no, because I'm learning it too. Look, we're not all the best schedules in the world. We, we all struggle as grown men with calendars and everything else. And my wife, like, Hey, if we just put in the calendar, sweetheart, I don't care if you go and do these things. It's just finding out a day or two in advance. Of course, it's very, yeah. If it's planned out, then good to go.

I just need to know what I'm getting myself into. Very fair. So power of saying no, you commit to something. And not only that, but your own camera saying, I'm a hard end and recruit other people to be a hard end with. And that date happens to be, let's just say hypothetically in this situation, it's June 25th and it's the beer games championships of the world. So you're committed to that.

The power of saying no now, any opportunity that comes your way, I'm sorry, I can't do it because my priority to the boys, to the bears, to the cave is invested in this. Yes. That I made. That's the power of saying no example. Not, no I'm not gonna chase an opportunity. You're confusing the power of saying no with the regret of saying no. That, I had no power in that no.

There's some sowicism in that. Why? Because I am devastated that I will not be there and you know that it's killing me, that I'm not there. Why are you guys going? Because I have my specials the next week and Leann's like, you're gonna go, you're gonna get drunk as fuck,

you're gonna be yelling all day, you're gonna lose your fucking voice and yell no voice for your special. And I have a show that night in Ohio and I tried everything, I tried everything. Anyone on my team knows, I was like, I am in the beer Olympics, I have committed to them but what I should have done at the very beginning,

and this is who you're talking about, if it was Ryan Holiday, he would have said, he would have said, no, no, I'm stoic. You know what they say, like, when you project anger, it's ultimately something that you hate about yourself. I'm not projecting anger on Ryan Holiday. Seems like you roll the eyes, like, oh, stoicism. Ryan Holiday.

There's gotta be a- You worked hard for your life, You should be proud of it. Yeah, I am. Wait, is that a stoic thought? No, I just you know that there's got to be a theory of thought that picks apart stoicism. If there was one genius that Marcus Aurelius was a genius, there had to be another dude on the other side that was also wanted to fuck Cleopatra,

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Not Ryan Holliday, why is he kissing straight? He comes up in my feed and I want to fucking buy it I want to buy it, but I just don't I just can't I can't buy it buy into it Stoicism give me a stoic thought. Let's just pull this one of the biggest ones. Okay You you were practicing stoicism when you went on your How many days sober and working out? Three months. Three months. Wasn't enjoyable.

You didn't enjoy it at all. I got drunk yesterday morning and I loved it. I loved it, I'm that guy. I'm the fucking, roll the dice, let him fucking roll. Seven different kinds of smoke. Yeah. You need those guys.

Yeah. Give me a stoic thought, Tom. I'm pulling it out. You are a complete stoic. No, I'm not a complete stoic. You are 100%. Okay. Tom's wise. You bought books at his bookstore.ic thought, Tom. I'm pulling it out. You are a complete stoic. No, I'm not a complete stoic. You are 100%. Okay. Tom's wise.

You bought books at his bookstore. I know, okay. And you read them. There's nothing. Okay. You're so lame, Tom. Here's one. Happiness isn't found in things, but in virtue alone.

It's all about what we value and the choices we make. So, let's see, I'm trying to find, I'm trying to- Take that apart. No, no, just let's sit with that one. Say it again, it's gonna take a second. I gotta put my brain to work. I need another. Happiness isn't found in things. But in virtue alone.

Bullshit, bullshit, I just bought my wife a new car, she loves it. She loves it, makes her feel young. That new car smell's gonna wear off. It's a convertible. It's gonna wear off. She's gonna want that new one in a few years. No, no, no, no, no, no cuz she grew up poor a stoic

I think Okay, hold on keep going Tell them let me take away all your cars. No, no, no, and let's see how happy you are I got something better for us. Okay. Oh we getting them on. Yeah. Hey Ryan. Come on Hey, I'm here with Will Compton and Bert Kreischer and Bert is shitting all over stoicism and says that it's stupid and it's a dumb way to live, and he thinks it's just, you know, like.

They're paraphrasing Ryan, but they're real close. But they're close, but we're close. So I was like, oh, then why, he's like, yeah, I see this stuff come up on my feed, and it's like, fucking whatever, you know, it's just whatever, Marcus Aurelius, whatever. So. He said how the power of saying no is so stupid, you know, it's just whatever, Marcus Aurelius, whatever. So. He said how the power of saying no is so stupid.

You gotta say yes to everything. The power of no is stupid. I just say yes to everything. He just answered the phone with a hard yes, right? He should have said, send a voicemail, he's a stoic. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha just giving a like maybe a basic principle of stoicism that we can, you know, like hopefully show Bert why this is a value. That he's angry at the wrong thing. Yeah.

I'm here. I'm like a Scientologist. I'm ready to be converted. All right. Sorry, my headphones keep dropping out. Okay. So the basic idea of stoicism is that we don't control what happens in the world or around us, but we control how we respond to the world around us. It's pretty basic. I think it's

pretty difficult to argue with. The idea is that instead of spending time stressing about what other people do, you focus on what you do instead of focusing on the mistakes you've made, you focus on how you're going to do better next time, and it's this idea that you try to go through the world around these sort of four main attributes, the sort of virtues of Stoicism, again, I think are pretty hard to argue with. It's courage, self-discipline, justice, and wisdom. So that's the philosophy that has existed for 2000 plus years. Some of the greatest, most powerful people in history have ascribed to it.

And then all sorts of people who went through horrendous ordeals, whether they were prisoners of war, thrown in prison for crimes they didn't commit or dealt with exile and death and, you know, all the shit that life can throw at a person. They sort of turn to this philosophy. So it's not these abstract ideas that you would, you know, study in this boring college class. It's a it's supposed to be a framework for dealing with the difficulty of life. Okay. Okay, but what is your what's the opposite? I'm the opposite of that what? What is your main issue like against why why are you rolling your eyes at Marcus Aurelius? Like what is that supposed to be like?

Okay so like Just the names your familiarity with Marcus Aurelius birth that he's the old guy that dies at the beginning of gladiator No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he thinks there's just another guy somewhere in that world. That's what he was full of shit I'm on his own. Yes is like Caesar's kid or something No, he was the Emperor of Rome. Yeah, yeah same same Same same nepo baby Okay, okay Same, same. Nepo baby, a Nepo baby. You're a hundred years apart, but okay.

Okay. So on the opposite, just the name Stoic is not how I live my life. Like I'm not Stoic. I'm the guy that if you put a Sour Patch candy in front of, I go, oh, I haven't had sour in forever. I feel like a Stoic goes, no. Okay.

So the word Stoic, lowercase Stoic, has a somewhat different meaning than uppercase stoic, the philosophy that is stoicism. Stoa means porch in ancient Greek. There's just a philosophy that originated on this porch in the Athenian Agora. It comes to mean in English, the word stoic, lowercase means sort of emotionless, joyless, et cetera, in the same way that Epicurean means like a lover of pleasure or he is. Give me that book.

These are sort of shortcut that the actual philosophy is not about. Can I ask you one thing here? Because of the Marcus Aurelius mention, what is something that Marcus Aurelius said that maybe Bert could wrap his head around and go, oh, that does make sense. Yeah. Give me something where I connect with Marcus Aurelius. Well, let's see. What are you what are you dealing with these days? Yeah, that's a good question.

Is here. Let me talk to him. Okay. How much of my life is performative? That is my biggest thing I'm dealing with. I had a girl fall during the 5K. I'm telling you a secret, I know everyone's gonna light me up for this. A girl fell, blew out her knee, hit her head,

and she was right in front of me and I stopped down and I comfort her first, honestly honestly comfort her for about 13 seconds and then this voice in my head said is there a camera catching this and it bothered me it bothered me that that was a thought that went through my head in a moment where I was like I'm doing the right thing does anyone notice help me me. Okay so first about the sort of toxic effect that this would have as a person. He writes in Meditations about not wanting to be Caesarified or he says stained purple because the emperor wears this purple cloak.

And so he's talking about how, and actually Jerry Seinfeld just talked about this on some podcasts because he's been reading Meditations, but he was talking about how one of the things that Marcus talks about in Meditations is that, like how worthless to be clapped for actually is. He says, you know, this is just the clacking of tongues and the smashing of hands. He's trying to remind himself that this thing that you can become very addicted

to or that you can have inflate your set, your, your sense of worth is not to be proud. mean there's there is in Rome to this day a 150 foot Column that is carved in marble of Marcus a real places Accomplishments, so he's not just famous but like truly okay. Okay. Okay. Okay It would have known how amazing he was. Okay, hold on.

Just listen, Bert. I know, but I'm trying to get in, because I know what you're saying. I had this conversation with Will's wife the other day. They asked, we were bringing him on stage, and Taylan and Will's wife said, how are you supposed to react when... Taylan and Charro.

Charro, yeah. They said how are you supposed to react when they applaud for you and now I'm the opposite of Mark Ceruleus and that I say allow it allow it feel it let it vibrate inside you it's it's joy they're giving you joy appreciate that not everyone gets that and when you get it let yourself feel it and and then but also isn't there a tad bit of something performative in the fact that you are a guy who strives to become the emperor but you're like kind of pretending like I don't want to be like I want to be you know I got to be humble like that part like that's where I that's where I because I have dealt with a lot of these things you're talking about but I go

is it performative if I'm like hold on I'm just a you know hey you know like or I go it's happening I asked for this I wanted this I strove for this now it's happening what part of that is am I being disingenuous being going like don't put up huge statues of me well if I didn't want huge statues why did I do it in the first place do you know I mean I totally do I think about that in my own life like obviously you know that like what actually matters is the work. Yes. But then you still want it to do well. You still want the tickets to sell. You still want people to clap at the end. So it's a tension but you have to ultimately I think value your own

opinion of what's good and you have to value the work that you put in more than the external stuff because more often than not or throughout history Lots of great work and great artists who are ahead of their time for instance did not get appreciated So if they let the thumbs up or the thumbs down of the crowd determine their self-worth They're gonna be devastated right? So you I think it's a it's it's a balance What's interesting about Marx is he doesn't want to be emperor, he's just chosen for this. His father was not emperor, he's chosen as a young man,

as this guy with potential that they think could do the job. So he has this kind of distance from it that I think he struggles with. But it's better to be thinking about these things than not thinking about these things and just being like, I'm fucking best everyone loves me because that rots your soul in your mind Okay, I'm okay. I'm gonna give it a shot. I'm gonna give this stoicism a shot What's the book? What's the audiobook I can get for the flight today? Because I bet if I'm drinking I connect with it I bet if I'm drinking, I connect with it.

I think audio books on the stoics are hard because obviously they didn't record any of their words. Oh wait, Marcus Aurelius doesn't have an a- Hell unto thee. Hey, are you recording asshole? All right, Ryan, I'm giving it a shot. I'll tell you my other thing. My other thing that drives me nuts is I hate when like stupid people tell me stuff

So like I know Tom's not that smart and then when he goes who's the thing with stoicism? I go stop That's not your idea. You just heard Ryan Holliday say it Unnecessary shot that's an unnecessary talking to to a dick joke comic and a fucking pro athlete about stoicism But you you make some solid points Ryan Holliday All right, Ryan, thank you for answering the phone and dealing with my special friend It's just like talking to one of the kids all right talk to you later man, right Thanks so many guys say something. Yeah, please. I love See you guys. Bye. It's like so many people. Can I say something?

Yeah, please. I love that. What? I love just Ryan being on the phone talking through that. What's it? My issue a little bit is like, go back to the NFL. OK? OK.

The stoic is the guy. Amazing, amazingly talented. Big deal. Holds out. And that's Marcus Aurelius. He didn't want to be emperor. Some of these kids are so talented, they're like, man, they forget the gift they're given. You are the opposite.

You are the guy sitting next to Marcus Aurelius going, dude, I'm busting my ass just to be on the council. Like, that's how I feel. I've always been the guy busting his ass just to get on the council. And so when I look at a stoic who goes, I'm emperor, but I need to keep my ego in check. And I'm sitting there going like, dude, whatever the fuck, dude, he's kept me on the council. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. I think to that, it's almost like just using it from my football experience, getting caught up in comments. It's like after a game, I would search my name on Twitter, only to end up disappointed. Even when I was like, oh, boy played pretty well today. Like, let's go see what people notice.

And then it's like the whole, what are you saying? It's like live for the cheers, die by the booze. It's like, if I'm going to fill myself with like other people being like, oh, Will's a great player and everything else. Yes, I do love that. But then when I get let down and I'm putting all my value into someone else's opinion.

Yeah, someone else's opinion when really it's just, let's watch film. Let's see what my coach says. Like he's not reading all the comments, but now I'm sitting here thinking like, oh, I wonder if everybody knows like, I did miss that tackle right there and everything else. It's like Thanksgiving game happened.

We were playing the Cowboys. I missed two tackles in a row on Ezekiel Elliott. And I found myself sitting on the bench after the first drive, wondering what was being said about me on the internet. And it's like that right there, like as far as like practicing stoicism. Cause another thing you said, like I'm talking to Ryan

about stoicism, but these two dumbasses trying to tell me about it. It's not a thing of like, you know what the answers are, but you just know these things that really can grab ahold of your mind if there aren't some practical, fundamental things that I can like lean on to of like, you know what the answers are, but you just know these things that really can grab ahold of your mind if there aren't some practical, fundamental things that I can like lean on to be like, okay, why do I care so fucking much to where now I'm at a point I'm blocking out what coach is telling me

on those tackles and I'm thinking what, you know, username 457 said on Twitter. And that's what I know I had allowed the audience to consume my mind too much. Yeah, I went through that. You almost have I had allowed the audience to consume my mind too much. Yeah you almost have to like You have to practice like intentionally practice like not doing that which is Extremely fucking hard and that's like trying to lean into those virtues or values or those core things of like why am I playing the game?

It's cuz I was a little kid in the front yard with my old man Pretending to be the 90s Cowboys with Emmett Smith, Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman throwing the ball around. And I absolutely love this game. And my dad would tell me he would show me Walter Payton stuff on. He would run hills until he puked. And even his old man, like if he came home at night and the dishes weren't done, he get woken up out of bed to do the dishes and just like the discipline and the things that like you grow up loving about the sport

Finds itself trickling away because now I'm starting to think about your next contract what people are saying Do I think I'm as good as I think I am based on what Bert and Tom think when they're watching these games? Yeah, you know what I mean? You kind of like you kind of like lose that foundation of why you're doing it in the first place comedy It's even worse because I think with every profession. It's like, it's, I mean, even with fucking podcasting, you try to, you get caught up or you can worry about certain things. I would not have had, if this was two years ago, whenever we moved into our new house, I went through what you're talking about and it was, I was actually reading comments then

and I'd read, I never read Reddit, but I'd read negative things about myself and then I started to believe them and I started to lose started second-guess myself on things I would say cuz I was like and and I was like well, that's not who I am I'm like even having a conversation negating stoicism. I realize now that we say this I'm gonna get destroyed in the comments I'm this is why I fucking hate Burt, But I'm not gonna change who I am and start pretending. Cause I watch, we know people on podcasts who just speak to the worst people

so that they don't get lit up. They just talk to the, they appease the trolls. And it's very, it's very methodical. It's very methodical. It's calculated. And it's very, it's very methodical. It's very calculated. Yes. And it's, and it's, and it is the opposite of art. The opposite of art is when you allow those negative comments

to dictate who you are. And so I had to, I had to, at that point, I was, I was, I was pretty bad. It was when I was in pretty aggressive therapy and I was like, yo, what is like, and you can't do that. You gotta be that pure thing to be the thing. I can only imagine in sports where it's a physical thing. When it comes to comedy, it's all like,

oh, I'll just change my act. I'll just become a different person so I don't have to deal with negative comments. I'll say certain things, certain buzzwords that I know that, Tron's like, yeah. People will celebrate, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like leaking onto the practice field,

you approach a tackle and whether you tag off or not, in your mind you're thinking, would I have made that tackle? And the way I kind of got outside of my body or now the coach is thinking like, oh man, I don't know if he can make that play. And that's just my own insecurity coming alive based on what I'm filling my mind with in those moments.

And then you're approaching practice, like you got to find those plays where maybe you can go pick the ball off or make a play in the backfield. And you're not thinking about the fundamental things of lining up correctly, seeing the formation, just being immersed in the craft and the process of all, because you start getting caught up in all these things. Because at the end of the day, Bird, it's like only you lay your head on the pillow at night with whatever stresses are in your mind. Your wife doesn't share it, the person laying next to you

doesn't share those things with you. They try to support, they try to talk to you, they are your rock, they help give you perspective. But even when they give you great perspective, when you're still laying on the pillow, whatever's keeping you up is what's keeping you up. And to me, I've always loved writing stuff down. I try to gravitate towards things,

and stoicism was one, Ryan Holiday in particular, to where it's like, man, these are things that I can practically get behind because I know when I show up for practice tomorrow or I show up for the pod the next week or the boys the next day or whatever it is, I have to have, not my wits about me, but just my sense of self and authenticity versus trying to do something that's outside of me.

If that makes sense. No, that makes more sense, you think. I connect with that 100%. And I connect with that a ton. I mean, it means, if that's what's, you know, the other thing I have is like, it's watching, you know, there's a thing that happened in this world where it's like, I think with podcats,

and I'm really guilty of it. I just told you guys Martin Luther King was five seven. Right? I didn't. That's a big, it was a big revelation today. I didn't know that. I thought he was like six two. He does, yeah.

He doesn't seem like he's a big cat. Yeah, he's dressed slick as fuck. His legacy is big. They used to call him Tweed. Yeah. Fucking slick dresser. And, but like even I am at a place where I, regurgitating information I've learned

seems inauthentic, meaning so many people, like I remember when we, early back when we used to do Rogan, I remember there, we'd go in, we still would go in with zero fucking information to talk about, but there would be people that would have like notes notes and they'd repeat things They heard somewhere else and I was like yo I remember we got into that I remember it was the base of two bears early on as I'm done with

Tired thoughts. I want original thoughts. I want someone to bring me original fucking thoughts. I remember the guy from epic mealtime You remember that guy Harley? Yeah, I remember he he he Epic Meal Time. You remember that guy, Harley? Yeah. I remember he was like, two toothbrushes, do the top and the bottom at the same time. And I was like, God, that's a fucking way more original thought than talking about AIDS research on Rogan.

You know what I mean? Like, I was like, but there's this thing where people regurgitate things they've heard, and then all of a sudden they're no longer their authentic self. They're just being a vessel of regurgitation. You don't think that some of that's just

a prompt conversation though? Like it's just like, hey I heard this thing, I read this thing, I share it, see if it like generates. Like hey, Martin Luther King was five seven. Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh really? How tall was Malcolm X? You know, like it's just.

Golly was like five four. Okay. It's like, what are you supposed to do? Like not continue? I think I'm growing. I gotta tell you that. I think I'm growing. In height?

Yeah. No. Yeah, for real. He believes it. Yeah. Why do you think so? Cause I just, I feel, I think I'm getting taller. I keep meeting taller people and I'm like you're not that tall

So I think I'm I think I'm growing and I think gravity ends up winning against us like your vertebrae might be deteriorating I'm getting up there dude. I have I think I've grown at least an inch and a half in the last sleeping longer Are you like doing pull-ups? Are? Sometimes. Decompressing your spine? Yeah, I think I'll be 6'4 by the end of the year. I'm serious. What are you now? 6'2 and a half, I don't know. No, no.

Easily. You're not taller than me, are you? I don't know, man. Maybe by the end of the podcast I will be. You might have grown. Yeah. TI's 6'1, 6'2. TI's great. How tall are you is 6'1", 6'2". TI is great.

How tall are you? 6'1 1.5. Is that like official measurement? Official measurement, feet standing in a V against the wall, I'm just 6'1". OK. But you know, shoes, everything else, 6'2". Right, with shoes on.

Yeah. I mean, let's stand next to each other real quick. All right. Yeah, because you're going to be like. Back to back? Let's just say like, you're probably going to be like, oh, you've been growing. Go on.

Can somebody tell us? I can't see. Oh, you're much taller than him. Much taller than him? Yeah, still. Yeah. By the way, I can feel your ass is nice. They don't tell me.

They don't tell you. Nice. That like. You got ass on you, I know bro. It's weird to say, but like, and I don't think I. They don't tell you. You got ass on you. I know, bro. It's weird to say, but like, and I don't think I've said this before, but you got beautiful ass, man. I appreciate that.

I appreciate that. So wait, how much taller? He's a solid like inch, maybe an inch and a half taller. You might be six foot. He's five 10. Yeah. Oh, he's five 10? Yeah.

You might be growing, hey. I'm not five 10. I'm probably like six one You'd been shrinking. I think me a little bit. No, I'm taller now No, yeah, but I'm always barefoot. That's why you think I'm always in flip-flops No, no, no, you guys want to go back to back I'll measure it I'll be the judge no, why not? No I'm not going to do it. I already know. I think Marcus Aurelius would probably say, no, you're taller. Be comfortable. Marcus Aurelius.

The power of saying no. Yeah. Dude, I even, I forget, I was thinking about something when you were in the middle of talking about feeling like inauthentic or when people regurgitate information. Then many of you started talking about the power. No, I'm just thinking like, I mean, fuck. I kind of felt like that, impossible. Like I am like, trying to like practice something or regurgitate something. And it's like, why do I end up getting there? Because we were kind of talking about fatherhood

and everything else. And I feel like I get to these points, you know, Ryan, he's got, I know, this is just a podcast, shout out Ryan Holiday, but he's got like the daily dad. And this morning, the one was like, how do you want your kids to talk to talk about you when you're older or Long and gone right and it's like if you sit with that What words would they say right now and what words would you want them to say? You know what I mean? What do you think they would say? No, I Yeah, yeah

I mean, I think they I think they'd be like, he was fun as fuck, that's it. That's it. Yeah, I loved him, he was fun as fuck, yeah. And here's the thing though. I'm not a dad, like during the Black Lives Matters things, and Georgia wanted to go protest. Hang on, hang on, let's talk, okay. Georgia wanted to go protest.

I just wanna make sure that. I said, absolutely not, you're not getting into those, I'm not getting you into those protest things, crazy shit happens, you're my daughter. She was like, Dad, I wanna protest. I wanna be out there in the streets. I was like, baby, you don't know, but that was also who my dad was. Don't get out there, crazy shit happens.

You're gonna get arrested, get a felony, you'll never travel out of the country again. But you were also like, Blue Lives Matter, you should go do that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He posted the blue square on Instagram. Yeah, he did. I remember that. But I think there's a cowardice to me of like, I don't talk about politics.

I never talk about politics. I don't do it just because I go, I don't want to alienate anyone. But a brave Marcus Aurelius would be like, talk about your fucking politics. Maybe, but that's all right that you don't want to give me something like that. So I don't think my daughters would be a little more proud of me if maybe I stood my ground in sto- I don't know, I don't know. Guess what, stoicism, sometimes not having an opinion at all

is the right opinion to have. That is true. I have very few opinions. Yeah. That's, I don't know that you have very few opinions. I think you have very loud opinions. You know you're so fucking exhausting. I am?

Because you know me so well that I can't just casually lie to someone. It's like being with Leanne. We're like, that never happened. Yeah, I also don't think you're giving yourself enough credit with your kids. But you also, you work extremely hard. There's a lot of dads who a lot of dads would do,

don't get out there, it's dangerous. That's not, you're not an unusual guy for that one. There's a thing, maybe I'm not articulating this correctly, but maybe I connect more with the poor dad than the rich dad, you know what I mean? And I'm not saying you guys are rich, but I'm saying, but you guys are, there's a benefit.

When I, you know, when I talked to, I talked to a dad one time and he was, and it was like, I was like, yeah, Leann's out of town. And he was like, whoa, what are you doing? Shouldn't be working, man. You need to be home with the kids. And I was like, that's not real. Like I have to work.

I have to work just like other dads have. And he was like, oh, no, no, no, no. When my wife's done, when she's out, I am 100, I cancel everything. And I remember casually saying like, wow, no nannies? He's like, no, no, no, no, no. When my wife's done, when she's out, I am 100, I cancel everything. And I remember Casually saying like, wow, no nannies? He's like, no, we have the nannies. And you're like, well then that's not real. Yeah.

But I think it's cool. I envy, I said it to John Mulaney the other day. I said, I envy, because he was like, yeah, I gotta get on a flight and go see my Malcolm or whatever. And I was like, I mean, I envy that. I envy the opportunity to be able to be a present Dad, I couldn't be present. I couldn't as a dad. I would go to read a book and think I'm failing them as a father

Because I'm not working like I would be like damn it man. I got a hustle I got to figure out a way to make money and even when I started making money I was like and I pretty much regret it because, I mean, I don't totally regret it, but like it was the last few years of them in college or in high school. And I was like, I have an opportunity to make money. I'm on the road every fucking week. I'm gonna do it.

I'm gonna burn so I can make money for them. And I wish maybe I'd been like, you know what? I don't know, I don't have that self-awareness maybe. I don't think, I think everybody, every parent tries to. Every parent wants to make money for their kids and work hard and them go through the suck. So that way their kids don't have to go through the suck. But then even then you're thinking, well, how do I make sure they kind of have the same kind of makeup the right way if they're not going through hard times?

Like, I think it's a constant battle at all times. And that's also why I don't think you see it now. And maybe your kids don't see it now. Like you're not giving yourself enough credit because everybody thinks that way. Everybody wants to bust their ass for their kids and in due time and one day when they have kids of their own and everything else,

they're gonna understand the protective side of everything. They're gonna understand why dad worked a lot and tried to put food on the table. And maybe there are things that if they resented with you or that they don't wanna do or don't wanna see, they'll add that in. But it's not that it's like, oh, I hated wanna do or don't wanna see, they'll add that in. But it's not that it's like,

oh, I hated that about my dad. Like me, I love my old man. My dad, he's probably watching this. I love my dad, but he was hard on us younger. He worked a lot, commuted. He still commutes an hour to work every day, commutes an hour home. Like just a middle-class working guy,

wouldn't be at dinner, like all this stuff. Wouldn't be at our games on weekends. He would watch his favorite sports. He'd go to my football games. He'd watch Cody wrestle, like all this stuff. Wouldn't be at our games on weekends. He would watch his favorite sports. He'd go to my football games. He'd watch Cody wrestle, cause he loved wrestling. But when it come to baseball and anything else, he wouldn't be at those games. Cause those games are not interesting to him?

Yeah, it's not like, yeah. That's awesome. I like your dad a lot. I like your dad a lot. That's awesome. I like your dad a lot. And like he'd come home and he'd go change and you'd find him out in the garage just drinking beer,

just listening to classic rock. Like wouldn't be in the house all the time. And look, I love my dad. Like we would, I know how much he loves me and is proud of me and I know how much I love him and how much he means to me. But also like you see examples of like, okay, I wanna be this way with my kid growing up

because I knew I didn't necessarily have that from my dad. Like I think of all this stuff, like Stoicism, everything else, like my mother, and if I get emotional, it'll be normal. But my mother passed away two years ago, suddenly. She got a knee replacement and blood clot right away. And it was sudden, it was brutal. I was on the road.

We were about to play the Cleveland Browns and I was on Vegas, this was my last year. Versace sends me home and stuff. But when I was thinking about that question with Ryan Holliday, and I'm thinking about, all right, the best way to do this versus what do I want my kids to say about me is, how would I speak? What does parenthood look like to me?

And to me, I think of the example of my mother. I think of like a resilient, fierce, protective, very much had an opinion, but had the humility enough to have an open mind. And somebody who was strong, somebody who worked hard, somebody who was the homemaker, career woman, worked multiple jobs, like did things to where we could go to our camps.

Like I was the kid on my traveling baseball team to where I probably stayed with each of my teammates' family in a hotel on the road because our family wouldn't be able to afford to do it. But I know my mom is doing these things and my dad too are doing these things so that way I could go and chase my sport ambitions. And I wouldn't be able to articulate that

back when I'm growing up because I'm just a young kid, I'm chasing my own ambitions, I'm wondering when I'm gonna get my next nut, I'm wondering which house, which buddy's house we can stay up all night at. Like I'm doing my own thing. And she'll let us know like once we get out of line and bitch about why can't we do this

and all the juggling that goes on. But it's like my mom was an accountant who went back to school to get her degree in teaching because she realized she wanted to be a teacher and work with kids. And then when she becomes a teacher, she's getting her master's degree at nighttime, taking night classes with jobs,

picking up summer jobs to help put food on the table with my old man. My mom was the one who would change a belt in a car. There wasn't a job around the house that she couldn't do. She looked after my finances and everything when I first entered the NFL up until she passed. She did all of these things. I wouldn't be able to actually sit with myself and articulate that going through it at the

time. But now that she's passed right before Ru was born and now that I'm a, this is where it'll get a little emotional, but now that I'm a father, I'm able to think about those things on how she impacted me that goes beyond her that I didn't necessarily know at the time, but I understand now. And so it helps my intention with being a father

and really all of it, right? Like being a leader for Bussin, being a good teammate, being a great friend, being a husband, being a dad, like all that stuff matters because I'm able to now articulate from the framework of like, you know, my mom did this. And again, dad, you know, I love you and he knows I feel all of the same stuff. But those are the things I pull from when I'm finding frameworks or I'm finding things that like, okay, I don't want to be on the right race or chasing ambitions all the time.

It's very much a part of me. I'm a success driven cat, but I know I have to keep myself in check with, you know, it's like when I learned about the power of no, it's like, oh wow, this is a framework that's sitting with resonating with me, resonating with me well. How do I put that into practice? Not to ultimately say, hey, work on the power of no, whatever you're doing is not it, you should be doing the power of no, no, not at all.

It's just like, those are the things that kind of shape, have shaped, and what I sit with and think about when I'm laying my head on the pillow and being like, why am I bothered by traveling so much, or why am I bothered by being home for multiple weeks in a row? Like, what do I need to do to scratch the itch

here, here, and here? How do I prioritize? So that's where all that stuff comes from. Wow. And that must make you also think about how much of a disappointment it is that Bert's not gonna be at the Bureau of Legislative. All the way called back around.

You letting us down. It's a huge thing. It hurts. Once again, you've let them down. And honestly, I think why I get so frustrated about it is not because of you, because I know I've done that before. I know I've done things that like,

I'm like, yeah, I can see why that person was frustrated that I didn't RSVP to the wedding until I told him right before, hey, I'm not gonna make it. Then you go through a wedding yourself and realize like, it ain't even about you saying no, we don't give a shit. We just wanted to know. We ordered food, a plate, a set and everything for you and you're just now telling us. Let me ask you this one

because you said this when you were speaking because I think everybody, and this very much resonates with comedians which is like when you're home for two weeks in a row and you're like frustrated and you examine, what is it, have you discovered anything that, have you come to any realization about, what is it about sitting around that makes you feel

I need to be doing something? I don't know, I think it's like, it might be expectations of the team. Like Taylor, he has his own ambitions as well. Like doing more, should we do this, should we do that? And if it's just like, if I can't define it and I'm in the conversation, I feel more reactive and I'm not actually having

a productive conversation about it. Like I almost need to figure out, I need to actually sit down and try and articulate like what is it I'm feeling? Why am I feeling that? Okay, if I'm feeling that, okay, why am I feeling that feeling? And just continue to ask myself why,

so that way I can get to the root and then ultimately express that. And then sometimes it'll be like, if I get mad at myself, I realize I'll be on my phone too much. Like I'll be sitting there on my phone and I'll be like, what am I fucking doing? Like, I don't wanna do this.

I hate that I'm sitting here doing this. Why am I continuing to sit here to do it? Why am I trying to find these little edges in the house when I can go to the bathroom a little bit longer so I can scroll and do all these different things where I'm consuming shit and I'm like, okay, I gotta remind myself of my priorities in my life. Like, hey, I'm bummed I can't do this,

but also congratulate and be hype for your boy who might be doing X, Y, and Z, even though I can't be a part of it, I have massive FOMO, you know what I mean? It's like shit like that, bro. You're the worst at this. I said it, you don't have to like double down on me. You're the worst at this.

FOMO's a real thing, bro. He's the ultimate FOMO. It's killing me. Cause I remember texting him one morning too, and it was before his wife's show, I texted him that morning and was like, I texted him that morning and I was like, hey, truly all good if you can't make it.

We're just, you know, Barstool's putting money into this. Like they're trying to get this thing right. Playing it all out, everything else. I just need to know if you think you'll actually be able to move it or if you're not gonna go. And truth be told, he could come and then just fly to Ohio later. Yeah, well he doesn't, he doesn't,

not that he intentionally didn't respond, I don't know if he did, but he didn't respond until then I see him in the hallway at Zanies before the wife show. I'm just thinking, I know we're both thinking the same thing. Like, yeah, I'll with you. You were saying, why are you so mean? Oh, you're thinking, oh shit. I didn't respond to his text.

First thing I said is Taylor here. I can't deal with two of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt. Ah, man. Oh, well. Hang on, I have one question. Have you noticed a difference in Taylor now that he's attractive? Oh, for sure, he knows it.

Cause we all know it. He was like a six, his whole life. Yeah. He was a six. Yeah. All of a sudden, he showed up with an alternative tent. Like he's got, all of a sudden the tattoos fit on his body and his fucking mustache and fucking clothes.

His shoes look normal. Like when he had, when he wore those shoes as a big guy, they didn't fit his body. Yeah. He needed like skis. And it was like, like what is the biggest I wanted to ask his wife that because she Like when I've heard her talk about their relationship, I think with Leanne maybe and like She got like six Taylor and now she's married to ten Taylor. He's a sex pistol now. Yeah fucking hot Yeah, you here's what'll piss you off about it, is this man has the audacity to worry about his hair

like going bald. And his hairline is so crazy fucking good that it's like, I had to tell him, I'm like, hey, Taylor, when you say those things, you're not relating to anybody. You're not being funny, you're not relating to anybody. You're not being funny, you're not relating to anybody. Those are things that you say because you are so good looking to where it's just like, yo, fuck you, bro.

He's got the best hair in the world. It's incredible. And his old man, like his old man, they're kind of built the same. He has a great hairline too, silver fox. I mean, look at that picture of the guy up to the right. Oh my God, look at the one with the mustache, with the hat where he looks like- The black hat right there that right there. Yeah. Smells fat son. Yeah. I mean

any of them. And then you go to him. Go to his Instagram. Look at him drinking that beer with abs. He's gonna love this part of the episode. Right there, that headshot in the middle. I mean, look at the smile, the tear. His body now. Yeah, yeah, no, he looks great. It is upsetting. When you have that face shape and your hair can kind of- So he's talking about his hair right now?

To the corners? His hair is an issue for him right now? No, it's not an issue. He just, when I say I get worried about my corners and everything thinning, he's like, oh man, I'll worry about the same stuff. And I'm like, no, no, not an issue. He just, when I say I get worried about my corners and everything thinning, he's like, oh man, I'll worry about the same stuff. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. We are not the same, bro.

I would love to hear him talk about how much better his dick looks. Because when you lose weight, I remember the first time. That's a lot of weight to lose. He tried to say, you know, the wider mouth, body armor bottles. He tried to say on a road trip one time, he's like, he had to go to the bathroom.

So we're like peeing this water bottle. He tried saying, I don't know if my piece could fit inside. We had to stop and just be like, bro, that is fucking, that is a lie. Like, what are you talking about right now? Lean over and pee into this bottle. Like you did not. You can fit the hole in there.

The whole thing in there. Come on. He tried to say he couldn't like force whole thing in there. Come on. He tried to say he couldn't force it up in the... Real quick, biggest dick you ever saw in the locker room? Amir Abdullah. Yeah? Yeah. It's a real...

It's a real hose. Yeah. And he's gonna hate. I'm sure I'm gonna be checked in the group chat. That's okay. But, I mean, it's impressive. Yeah. That's okay. But I mean it's it's impressive. Yeah shout out to Amir Abdullah and your huge black dick Dude this was a fucking joy having you here. Thank you for coming today. Thank you guys. This was awesome

Yeah, say hi to your friend Taylor for us, too I will hopefully you know we can reschedule something for the boy You can have this both on after the summer, whenever the chaos slows down. That'd be awesome. And you'll see him June 25th, and we'll see you guys soon. Thank you for watching. Thank you for listening.

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