2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer - Matthew McConaughey Is The Coolest Dude In Texas | 2 Bears, 1 Cave

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

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And you can get his already huge smash hit book now available on paperback tomorrow. The book's of course called Greenlights. It's Matthew McConaughey everybody. Give him a hand. How we doin' man? Buddy. Actually I won most hands in 1988.

There's a story in there about how he lost a lawsuit case against this oil of mink when it had the bad acne. Do you mean when you put it on cause your mom was sellin' it and she said it and it gave you cystic acne? Buddy, I will tell you the book's awesome, buy it, but the fucking audiobook is insane. I listen. You wanna have Matthew McConaughey

sound like he's calling you, get the audiobook. He just fucking talks and you fucking push it asleep. It was fun to read. They said it was gonna take like four days to record it. And I remember just sitting there going, man, I know these stories, I wrote this, it's not gonna take four days. Popped a couple of buds and eight hours, one take.

Really? Yeah. Wow. Don't listen to my audio book. I can't read aloud. Did you, I wrote a book a couple of years ago, number two New York Times bestseller, couldn't get to number one.

But I have a question, when I handed in, like the first time I sent the publisher a draft, there was a different type of anxiety about submitting your writing, as opposed to like an audition. Oh, hell yeah. Because you realize, you can tweak, you can deliver how you wanna deliver a line.

You can deliver, you can do things with your face, with your body, with your work. But when it's just like, here's what I wrote, if there's like this thing, you're like, fuck man, do you feel that too when you're doing it? Hell yeah, I mean, I felt it for probably 15 years. I didn't have the courage to even go try and write it. I mean, I'd been gathering all these journals

in a treasure chest and then telling my assistant, you know what, you're gonna start logging that stuff, maybe something's worth sharing one day and it stayed on micro cassettes. And then I, and what the last kicker to get out the door and go see what I had to write something was I asked my wife if, hey, when I die, I got these books, these are really important to me,

man, looking in there and seeing something's worth sharing and she just gave me the bird and said, F you, dude, you go do it, these are really important to me. I'm out looking in there and seeing some sort of sharing and she just gave me the bird and said, F you dude, you go do it. Don't put that on me. Right, yeah, that's a big thing to put. Like get out of here. So loaded up the truck and headed off to Marfa for 20 days with those, which was intimidating.

But then when I did turn it in to declare, Yes. Now being a writer. Yeah, it's a big thing. Can't dance around this thing. I can't dance around this thing. I can't, you can't kind of put lipstick on it and call it a thoroughbred if it's a donkey, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Put it there and I mean, I felt like, I felt like it was something good, but I didn't know if it was gonna translate, if anyone else was gonna go, dude, that's your own pipe dream. Totally. I don't get it. Cause there's also this thing, I don't know if you feel the same

if you go back and forth and you see yourself in a performance, but when we do stand up specials, a lot of times you'll watch an edit, the first cut of it, and you're like, this fucking sucks, I suck. And then you watch it, and then there's moments sometimes where you're like, you know what, this is actually pretty good, I like this. But you go you know, you keep, you watch it. And then there's just like moments sometimes where you're like, you know what? This is actually pretty good.

Like, I like this. But you go back and watch the same thing. You're watching the same thing. Multiple times you watch it. And then you have, you have different feelings about it. And then, then there's that thing. It's like the night before the premiere, you're like, I feel pretty good.

And then you're like, oh fuck, man. You know, it's just like roller coaster, right? But I don't know if, if you feel that way about a performance, but like on a book I feel like there's this thing where you read it sometimes, you're like, this is a good chapter, like I like this chapter. And then you have your, there's just doubt. Like you get feelings of doubt.

Yeah, I mean look, every performance I see, I really don't see, I don't think I'm fair about any performances of my movies until about the third or fourth viewing. Right, it changes. Yeah, the first viewing, among every film I've ever done, I physically have gotten sick in the parking lot. And I think it's partially, you know, one scene,

a full week comes rushing back. And I'm like, why do you use take four? Oh, second half of take eight. I remember that morning, I didn't do it. Or, you know, so I'm like, why do you use take four? Oh, second half of take eight. I remember that morning. I didn't do it. Or, you know, so I'm not really laid back watching the story. I'm micromanaging my performance and everybody else's and it's an, okay, I get out of a two hour screening. I'm sweating.

It was a workout. That's not really kicking back watching a movie. But second, third or fourth time, I could sit back and watch it. It's kind of like watching any Coen Brothers movie for me. And I've never been in a Coen Brothers movie. But my favorite music Coen Brothers movie is about or fourth time, I could sit back and watch it. It's kinda like watching any Coen Brothers movie for me, and I've never been in a Coen Brothers movie, but my favorite music Coen Brothers movie is about the fourth time,

because you pick up all the great genius background stuff to do. Had a carrot, you know? Oh, the line in Raising Arizona, we are in the proverbial catbird seat. I have my fucking favorite line in any movie. Didn't catch it until my eighth time watching it, and I went, my wife, I go, what is that?

She goes, catbird. He's on cat, birds. He's built in funny shapes, didn't catch it until my eighth time watching it. And I went, my wife, I go, what is that? She goes, cat bird. Cat bird. He's on cat, birds. He's blow up in funny shapes that one. Sure, circular's funny. Circular's funny. So, I mean, I have that with performances with the book. But by the time we had edited down, I will say this,

did you have this experience or that you send something in and you're like, ah, this is hot shit, this chapter's good, this story's great. It looks like somebody was murdered on it when they sent you the notes back. And they go, oh, I'm gonna get it. Yeah. And I puffed up, going, how can you not get that?

If you don't get that, then you don't get the whole book's about. Sweet, what chapter is it? No, I had a few, but what happened, here's what I learned. Okay. 90% of the time, thankfully I had good editors, I hadn't written it well enough. That was them saying, and then I went back

and wrote it better, and they're like, oh, I get it. Right. But I went in thinking, you know, sometimes we have our own cliff notes and we don't. Sure. Oh, they're gonna get that part. You know, you didn't write it. I actually thought I got really lucky in that I had a, Suzanne O'Neill was the one and sometimes we have our own Cliff Notes and we don't, well, they're gonna get that part. You didn't write it.

I actually thought I got really lucky in that I had a, Suzanne O'Neill was the one who would send me notes about chapter. It was a collection of essays and stories. And there was times where I would see the notes coming back with so much and I was like, what the fuck? And then when I sat and read them and discussed them I was like yeah you're right this yeah this is I didn't do it well enough yeah but she made it way better by doing right yeah

now my editors did too with me there's times or yeah there was a lot there's a lot cut but I had once once I declared and we've kind of put it all together and trying to make it a bit of an interactive play with interrupted by a prescribe or a poem or a picture and have that playfulness. And every time I'd get going, every time I'm preaching something, have to come off of that or come in after precede that

with a story where I eat shit. So the reader can stomach it. You wanna let, you know, so you can see me self-deprecate and tell a story where I ate shit. And then after that, you can stomach me going, so here's the lesson I learned from it. But don't be going straight advice across the board.

People shut that thing going, shut up, quit telling me what the fuck to do. For sure. Did you notice this? This is something, big thing in this. The person, first, second, third, I, you, we. So it's about us telling the first person. This is my experience. You can't really, you can third, I, you, we. So it's about us telling you to tell them first person. This is my experience.

You can't really, you can have an opinion, but you can't really judge me right or wrong. I'm just telling you how I experienced it. Second person's you. Now we're giving advice, telling you gotta watch, telling people what to do, right? Gotta watch that because someone likes to be told what to do. Third, the royal we, which you gotta watch that because then your shit can all sound

like big platitudes, like what are you, God or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're speaking for us. You know, the proverbial we. But the interplay of those was a real, something that I got real conscious of along the way because if I would go into the you too much, it comes across preachy. Definitely. Going to the I all the time, you're going,

well, it's your story, but what does that do with me? I don't see myself. And if you use a proverbial we, you're like, okay, Mr. Big Stuff, speaking with the voice of God. No, it's a huge lesson, because that's also how we address crowds. Same thing. You're always conscious of,

if it's a dumbass moment, you're like, I'm a dumbass. Right, but like, you kinda wanna rap people, you kinda wanna dance with that stuff so that you can bring them in, make fun of yourself. And then you can also, the more you do that, then you have leverage to criticize. Then you can be like, you know who's a fucking idiot? And then you get to do that.

But you have to do me, me, me first. Yeah, you gotta look like the dumbass, for sure. The takeaway from this book is that there are dudes who put on a hat because someone said it's cool and they wanna look cool and they walk into a bar, and you simply put on the hat and are cool. Like this fucking book is like, some people go, I'm gonna drive through the desert

for the next three days so that people say he's driving through the desert. And it's on his Instagram. You did it at a time no one was talking about it. You get, right after you did A Time to Kill, you just are like, fucking, I'm getting a van, I'm getting a dog and I'm gone. And you weren't doing it for anyone.

In a world where everyone's doing it for optics, you were doing these journeys to the Congo, to Africa, fucking motorcycle with Cole Hauser and Roy Cochran. You guys weren't doing it for views. You didn't record it for social media, you mean? That it didn't even happen? Exactly, you know. Fucking wasted that.

Got some killer black and whites from it, but. It's so cool. Well, I don't know. I mean, that's kind of what, if you try and be cool, you really know, I don't know, anyway, it's really cool. Try to be cool. We always talk about this, about the city of Austin. All you gotta do is be you.

A lot of people move to Austin going, okay, well, I'm gonna try to be what I think being me is like. No, that's not cool. Or I'm gonna try to be what Austin is like. So that, no, no, no. No, just be you, bro. Stay in your own lane, do your own thing. And, you know, that's cool. This is something I wanna ask about cool though.

Because there's a funny thing about when you watch a movie where the guy's cool. Yeah. Like when you get a cool role. Because I think, like I was thinking about, I was watching Daniel Craig, right? And he's in like a Knives Out thing, where he gets, it's like a fun, it's a different,

it's a character, right, and you get to see him having fun. Then you watch like a Bond movie, and I think the easy, it's easy to watch, and you go, oh yeah, that's like, that's not like a real acting, right, but then you stop and you go, wait a minute, though, to like, to be the coolest guy in the world for every shot, you're like, that actually is a thing.

And you can't look like you're trying to be cool. Because then you're a fucking dork. So it's like, he's got to walk cool, he's got to look cool. And it's like, how do you play cool? Dude, I think cool comes from just ownership. If it's an act, owning my man. For instance, first role I ever did, Wooderson, Dazed, Confused.

Fucking love it. There's a line written in there, Richard Linklater, one of the original lines, I call it a launch pad line. Those lines that you go, this character means that. There's a book written, I could write on that character, right? Wooderson's hanging out in front of the pool hall. High school chicks walk by, checks him out the backside.

Buddy leans his ear, says, Wooderson, you gotta cut that out, man. You're gonna end up in jail. He says, no, man, that's what I love about those high school girls, man. I get older, but they stay the same age. I went, who the fuck is that? When I started podcasting, it seems like a lifetime ago.

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and important safety information. And we thank Bluetooth for sponsoring the podcast. Now what if that guy is not saying that line, to be cool? What if that guy's, that's not an attitude. He's not trying to make a joke to make Sasha laugh. No, what if he's's, that's not an attitude. He's not trying to make a joke to make Sasha laugh. Right. No, what if he's like, that's, I got life figured out, man. This is how the math works.

Yeah, yeah. This is, I am living in the salad days to quote the Coens, right? Yeah. So it's a life philosophy. Yeah. Now that unpacked all kinds of stuff for that guy. Because it was truth.

Truth, and the guy's saying this truth. And I think what happened, you, and I look back and see, I actually stepped forward on the curb and kind of set it to the ether, set it to the universe. Like, we're good, man. Yeah. That's why I like a Watterson and I wasn't trying to be cool, but owning.

Owning it is what it's about. Your life, your politics, whatever it is, what you want, what you can do, what you can't do. Yeah. What works for you, what doesn't. Without soliciting, without intruding, cool doesn't really intrude, cool doesn't trespass. You know those people you talk to,

you're like, man, I love talking to them because they kind of hold their space, man. You know those people you talk to that are always trying to get in there and solicit and get the, you're like, be cool, man. Yeah, man. You know those people you talk to that are always trying to get in there and solicit and get the, you're like, be cool, man. Yeah, yeah. Hold your own, own your shit.

Yeah. You don't need me to convert to make you cool. Right, chill the fuck out. Right. Right. So it's own, I think it's ownership. And if I can find that or any performance I see where you see somebody own whoever they are, the most, nerds are cool.

Right. When they're like, I'm a nerd, man, I like this. Nerds are cool. Right. When they're like, I'm a nerd, man. I like this shit. That's cool. I don't think dorks are cool. Because dorks. What's the difference between a nerd and a dork? Dorks want to say, dorks change their answer

for wherever they are to fit the circumstance, to do what they think is the cool thing to do. You need to come to the comedy mothership fucking green room. There's a bunch of dorks in there. Okay. I think you made it real clear. Right? But I mean.

That's so true. When do I start drinking tequila? It's coming up. That's the perfect summary. That's the perfect summary. It really is. Because it becomes about somebody being inauthentic. They're pleasing whoever is talking to them. Essentially you're a fucking dork at that point.

There's no compass. Everything's all, everything's an affair. There's no marriage on any sort of POV or stance. You don't have anything. Where you're coming from. It's like, we talk about improv a lot. Y'all know improv, but I'm in movies. And comedians do this sometimes. Some comedians are very good actors.

Some are better performers at a skit and not necessarily a great actor. There are some scenes, and I won't point them out, but there's some scenes that we've all laughed at very hard, but I look at and go, that's a great SNL skit, but that had nothing to do with the relationship in the circumstance in that movie. So, riffing and improvs, not an amendment.

It's not a one-off of I gotta find a spot to get this joke in, and if I get a gap, I'm gonna throw it. If it has no context. Then it's like, okay, that's a skit. Improv comes from the, the good improv I think, comes from the written word, from what was the base of who the character is, what's the circumstance,

what's the relationship. And then if you can riff on that, then you're like, I don't know, you call it improv? I don't know, what's the circumstance, what's the relationship. And then if you can riff on that, then you're like, I don't know, you call it improv? I don't know, it's coming from, you're just expanding. Like I get a launch pad line like that, I'm going, I come back work for three weeks, Linklater throws me in scenes, I'm going like, everything's based off the guy who believes

that I've got life figured out because that's what I love about high school girls, I get older, they stay the same age. You know what car that guy drives. You know what time he's, you know if he's married, if he's got kids, if he's duddin', what music he listens to, what he's buying, if he's got a dollar in his pocket, goes in 7-Eleven.

You know what this guy's got, right? You know what's in his car, you know what's in his console. Yep. By that line. By that line, that's true. One of the things, I just wrapped production yesterday here in Austin on a show we did. And it was so much fun.

I got to work with so many great actors on it. And one of my favorite things about great actors as opposed to other ones is that great actors, I realize this, we had like amazing people that came in to do it. Shea Wiggum came in. Hey, Shea Wiggum. Amazing.

Dan Stevens, Marlon Barr, just all these great actors. Is that they all are in service of the scene. And that they go, oh no, I should do less here. And you're like, because most people are like, some people come in and they go, I wanna add a bunch of shit, I'm gonna say, and you're like, dude, relax. You're just supposed to say, like, excuse me.

And you bring in great actors like the ones I named, and they would go like, oh yeah, so I think I'm just gonna, I think I should just look at the door, and you're like, actually yeah, that's way better. That serves the scene. You gotta earn your moments acting in life. You gotta earn your moment. Stand up, you gotta earn that punchline.

Sure. Right, you gotta earn that callback. Yeah. Right, if you don't earn it, it lands in life, you gotta earn your moments. Stand up, you gotta earn that punchline. Sure. Right, you gotta earn that callback. Yeah. Right, if you don't earn it, it lands in like, where's the words you're talking about? Yeah. You gotta earn your moments in a performance. I think like in life too, you gotta,

it's just important to where you're not. Right. To where you are. This is in groups. If you look, I look at staying on days confusing with Wooderson, the last scene we shot, I'm now working three weeks. I'm loving this. People are telling me, they think I'm good at it.

I'm getting paid 360 bucks a day. I'm going, is this legal? This is great, man. Call me back as much as I can. There's a scene where Wooderson, they've had the night at the field. Now they're gonna go get the Aerosmith tickets in Wooderson's car.

And he's like, talks to the gang. he goes, all right, man, we're heading out. And he goes to his car, towards his car. And the group stayed there, and I don't remember exactly what, the group stayed where they were. And I returned to the group. And I remember that night feeling like, false move, bullshit. Wooderson would have never two-stepped. Wooderson would have gone to his car, sat back, cranked it up, put on some tunes, rolled a doobie, and waited for everyone in their own time

to come get his car. I two-stepped. Not a Wooderson move. It was a tad dorky. Even though Wooderson's not a, you know what I mean? It was a two-step. And Wooderson was a guy who just, whatever way he heads, by hook or by crook,

if he passes the pot of gold, well, he passed it. Maybe he'll catch it next time around. But he's never gonna two-step. And I shouldn't have gone back to that scene. I shouldn't have re-entered that scene. You didn't realize it at the time. No, I didn't realize it at the time. Yeah.

Getting more screen time, bro. Sure, yeah, no, yeah. Hanging out with the guy, I mean, I didn't realize it at the time. Right, yeah. Oh, by the way. Get more screen time, bro. Sure, yeah, no, yeah. Hanging out with the guy, I mean, why not? That is your first movie. Yeah. And you have iconic, culturally iconic lines that we say for the rest of our lives.

That's crazy. In your first fucking movie. Your first three movies, insane. Boys on the Side, that, and A Time to Kill. Your first three fucking movies. Well there's Chain, Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Oh, Tainfee Chainsaw Massacre! That's the...

All right, so your first three. Yeah. Yeah. Dude and I, yeah, the first one I get, walking in the right bar at the right time, meet a guy named Don Phillips, four in the morning, he's riding with me in a cab to go drop me off

at my apartment. He rolls a dude, says, you ever done any acting? I said, man, been in the middle light commercial for about that long, more of a modeling job. Well, you might be right, come to this address in the morning, pick up the script. I go pick it up, that was three lines in days, that worked out for three weeks.

The chainsaw and masker, I was supposed to play a part of a guy that was like a Romeo to Renee Zellweger's Juliet, where I like ride up on a motorcycle at the beginning, pass the school, black leather helmet, look at her, right off. And at the end, after she escapes, pick her up. I go in for that. I've already got my U-Haul packed to go west, young man.

It's packed. I've moved out, I'm out of that, not renting a place anymore. I'm gonna swing by. It's a one day job. I go by the production house to go see the director. And while we're sitting there, and I'm gonna shoot like two days, he goes, hey, we haven't been able to cast

the main killer, Vilmer, the guy with the mechanical leg who can't find his remote. Right? He drives a tow truck. He goes, you know any male actors in town? I gave him a couple names. And I remember I left, I got to my car and I never forget it, my blue truck, old blue.

I opened the door and as I was stepping from the sidewalk into the cab, I stopped. I went, I should go read for that. I shut the door, went back in, said I wanna read for it. He goes, okay, we don't have any actors. Actors around here. And I went, and the secretary goes, I'll do it. And he goes, man, just get, I don't know,

scare the, see if you can scare the hell out of her. And I went to the kitchen and I grabbed a big exercise like serving spoon and I came back and welded it like with some knife and went off and scared the shit out of her and she drew tears. And after we were over, she was like, that was great, you really scared me. And he goes, you got the part.

So all of a sudden I'm working for a month in Pflugerville and had to go sleep on a buddy's couch and pull out stuff out of my damn u-haul for the next month. Then drove out west, which I had days confused, the film had come out and I had that as a bit of a audition. And then I had the stories in there about feeling needy, you know, feeling like I needed to get an agent. And that same guy, Don Phillips,

I met in the bar that night, the one who ate my ass out and said, get the hell out of here, this town will eat you up. They smell needy. Get out of here, go off with your buds. And me and Cole and Rory hit Europe for over a month riding motorcycles. Came back, I was ready. Because I was, I was running out of money, but I was also like, over a month riding motorcycles. Came back, I was ready.

Because I was, I was running out of money, but I was also like, come on man, I need, and I would have taken those meetings, and they'd have been like, not, he's not as cool as we thought he might have been. He's like, he's, I would have been trespassing. I was desperate. But there's a fine line between desperation

and getting what you want. Like when you did a time to kill, they wanted you to play a clan member. Yeah. But there's, so like there's the fine line between desperation and getting what you want. Like when you did A Time to Kill, they wanted you to play a clan member. Yeah. But there's, so like there's the person who goes, I wanna be the star, right? Yes. But you've always navigated a great way of going,

of advocating for yourself. Yeah. Like. Well, that one was, yeah, I mean, I'd read the script, I was like, Jake McGants, that's the guy I'd like to, you know, and I go in and I had that meeting and I did plan it. It's one of those things, those plans that kind of went well.

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BWAAAAAAAHAHA, great idea, never gonna happen. I just laid by. They planted a seed though, and as you read, a lot of things went my way. Sandra Bullock, who was already cast while you were sleeping, did really, made a lot of money. All of a sudden, I think she could green light a movie.

Where when she was cast, I don't think she was able to. John Grisham wouldn't approve my buddy Woody Harrelson. It's crazy, you know why? You hear this crazy stuff, man? So Oliver Stone, remember that time, I don't know if you remember that time, Oliver Stone and John Grisham were having a battle. Evidently, there was a killing of a farmer in Mississippi, I think.

Excuse me, I don't get the details right. And it was a murder by a young man and a young woman. And they said they were enacting the Mickey Mallory from Natural Born Killers. Oh, right. The farmer John Grisham was good friends with. John Grisham deconstructs, has approval over the roles. Well, that guy's not playing me. Right.

So things, odd things opened up and then the timing was right and all of a sudden the movie's going, the last thing to cast is the lead, they got Carly Haley, they got Sam Jackson, they got Sandra, everything's looking good. Well maybe we'll take a chance on this more relatively unknown guy. And Schumacher does me a real solid, I remember it was either Valentine's Day or Mother's Day, I can't remember, but it was a Sunday.

And they flew me to LA and he said we're gonna shoot in this little studio on Fairfax. It was Mother's Day. Was it Mother's Day? Yeah. Okay. We're gonna shoot, pretty good day to malaprop one or the other, Valentine's Mother's Day, love you mom.

You called your mom that morning. Yeah. So we go on Fairfax and he says the reason we're not shooting in a studio is because no matter how good you do, you're probably not getting this part. And I don't want it to be on your record or resume of tried out and didn't get it. It's not a good way for you to get started in Hollywood.

Damn, that's so thoughtful. How about that? Cool as shit. That is really thoughtful. Yay. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. You know, worked out.

But that was a little, I planted a seed that day that did, I think, it helped for it to end up to pay off when I was in there and that audition said, I think I should. I wanna ask you this because we're talking about directors because you're an incredible actor and you've worked with a Ton of directors at this point Is there something whether or not they're well known or not that you love?

from a director when you're starting a production and Conversely something that you really don't like. Yeah so The best directors say yes. It keeps, it puts fuel on your fire. Yeah. The best directors, you want the actor, you want the talent to own their stuff. You want them to believe it's their idea.

We all want it to feel like it's our idea. Sure. I say one thing when I go and meet directors now, and I just say it, well, I don't want to look, man, I'm easy to direct, just don't tell me what to do. Yeah, yeah, that's great. But I love it when you manipulate me and make me think it's my idea, but it was really yours.

I'm quietly going bravo. I saw that, but I'm not calling it out. But I caught that. I love that. Trick me, bro. It's simple, I'm not calling it out. But I caught that. I love that. Trick me, bro. It's simple, I'm letting you know. I'm easy prey, man. Like Coyote.

Tell me to go that way, I'm gonna go that way. So just tell me you want me to go the opposite way. You know? I'll fall right into your hands. So a stubborn one is one who would be no fun for you. To one is, a lot of of directors if things are going well and you're and your actors you know it's going with the performances are going on. Have the confidence to sit back yeah and go yep next because we get hot hands

sometimes yeah and you don't want a, and you also don't want an actor that's competing for the best idea. That's a big one. It happens in those, probably in those, some of those green rooms, right? For sure. You know? Because I've been around some of those,

there's competition for the best idea, and then when I've got, you've got the hot hand, and you've had the best six ideas in a row, on a set when you're acting as a director, I want you to have the seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth, fortieth in a row. Yeah. You're hot, man. Yeah, go.

You're in the line. You're getting me what I want, and you're owning it. Let's do it. Yeah. If the director will try my way or try the way I wanna do it and sincerely go, I see that. Now we try it this way. I'm much more able to go, you're damn right I will.

And I'm gonna give this real justice. I'm not worried that it's my idea. We just want the best idea to happen. Sure. The other thing is that when you're in a movie, I always say this, the communication with the director is what you do between action and cut. It's not what you say outside of it.

Here's what I think we wanna do in the scene. All that can be great to get there, but really your communication is what you do between action and cut. And if the best thing that can happen is when you have an idea what you wanna do in a scene, you don't say it to anybody, then you do between action and cut. And if what the best thing that can happen is when you have an idea what you wanna do in a scene, you don't say it to anybody. Then you do the scene and they come back and go,

you know what I love that? Here's what I got from the scene. And they go, pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa pa. And you pull the non-native paper out of your pocket and you go, exactly look what I wrote. I wrote down what I wanted to do, what I wanted to hopefully come across. You just said, and there it is.

I'd written it down beforehand. That's kind of a kismet moment when that can happen. So, I think no, no, you know, I don't like the word no. Best Directors started off with this with Linklater. You know, listen, we call it verbal ping pong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what if? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a forward moving process, you're figuring out.

And he's directing me, redirecting me through the give and the take and the flow of the creative, but never going, no, not that. Boom, actors will go, whoa, you just gave me a red light. You just stunted my growth. My creativity just stopped. Now anything you tell me to do after this, it's your idea, not mine. Come on, man. Yeah. Trick me to think it's mine. Right. That's smart. Do you need approval from a director as you're doing it or can you operate independently? I can operate independently, but I like approval of it.

Because there's times where, and I've tried to close these gaps, meaning there's what we intend to do, there's what we actually do, there's what gets recorded, and there's what gets edited. Trying to close all those gaps. And over 35 years, I have been able to close the gaps where what I'm wanting to do

is pretty close to what I'm doing, which is pretty close to what I'm doing, which is pretty close to what's getting recorded, hopefully what's going to get edited. But sometimes it's not, and I need that director to go, come here. I know what you're trying to do, but come look at it. And I'll watch the scene and go, oh, that's not what's coming across. Got you. Maybe that's the angle.

Maybe that's me. But sometimes there's a larger gap. You know, here's what I thought I was doing. No, maybe it was, but it's not captured. Or maybe what you thought you were doing is not actually what you were doing. What is, because we're all mesmerized by Scorsese. You did Wolf of Wall Street. What's he like?

Okay. Loves funny. Really? So, and non-verbal. I don't think he gave me any direction that had an English word in it. Really? No, it was all, do the,

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Whoa. Boom, boom, boom, boom, whoa. Da da da da da. Go, go, go. Musical and funny and to see his little shoulders start bouncing when he's laughing is just beautiful. That's awesome. So, you know, I go in,

I wrote a lot of extra stuff in that scene and there. And that character had a launch pad line. That character who says to Leonardo's character, when Leonardo says, what's the secret of this business, there was a line written in the script that said, cocaine and hookers. And I just went, okay, is this guy being funny? Or does he really believe that?

What if the guy really believes that the secret to this brokering business is cocaine and hookers? We can unpack that and write a book, right? Or why cocaine, why hookers, what do all these things do? It's led to, you know, jerking off and how many times a day, rookie numbers, don't want too much travel, need more bass, all that bullshit that I was spewing. And I remember it, you know.

It was just so funny. It was so fun to do, thank you. It was super fun to do. And I went in, sometimes I'll just go like, let's just do it live. I'm gonna introduce it on the day. Sometimes I don't have the balls for that, and I'm like, let's just do it live. I'm gonna introduce it on the day. Sometimes I don't have the balls for that and I'm like, I might wanna run this by.

Yeah. I'm gonna run this by. Hey Marty, I got an idea. So there was a day before I said, listen, I've been playing with this scene and extended it, but I think it gets to be like, yeah, we'll do it. And I did it. And I was like, those are the times

like you better do it well. Yeah. Because if you don't, they're gonna go, no. And you can't bring them back, reel them back in the next day when they're live, right? So I did it, and he was sitting there kinda laughing. And I remember he just goes, did you say the thing about that thing? I went, yes, I did.

And he goes, did you say the thing about it? There were two points he wanted to hit. Did you say the other thing about the thing? I said, yeah. He goes, okay, great, do that. And the next day, went out and did it. And I tell the story all the time, but we were five takes, got it, moving on.

And Leonardo goes, hang on, Marty, and goes, what's that thing to me? He goes, what's that thing you're doing before the scene? Because I was doing the. Oh, mm, mm, mm. And it was a thing I do before scenes in different rhythms to relax. Get myself out of my head, find the rhythm.

You don't wanna come in thinking, right? I'm stepping into this Scorsese movie, I'm one day worker, two day worker. I got nerves, it helps get rid of anxiety. It also helps the crew go, what's the fucking weirdo doing? Which is good, puts you in an underdog situation, like I fight out of it, right? That's this fucking lunatic, doesn't it?

Yeah, it's a good feeling. Like, what, so I'm gonna good, they're not sure, so I gotta really make this count. And I sold him, that's what I'm doing it for. He goes, what if you do that in the scene? And the next take's what's in the movie. That's awesome. That's fucking wild.

That's so cool. That's cool to know that two people I love could work together. So a lot of times you think you get two stars in there and there's a competition. There can be. There can be. Not with the really good ones. You want to be stolen from. It's an honor to be stolen from on set in a way that you, again, you know they stole but,

ooh, that was a good pick pocket. It's kind of a compliment. And the way I was talking about the director about, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but how about this? They're stealing. And it's an honor to kind of be stolen from and you want to steal. And then also steal, that was a version of,

they're not a giving. That's very giving, yeah. He goes, that thing, I of Leonardo giving. That's very giving, yeah. He goes, that thing, I don't know what it is, but this is a wild scene, this is a wild character, can you put that in? So we just, how it fell in, it fell in, and then he sat over there very easy.

I mean, he's playing it, listen, trying to get on the groove, what's he talking about? Yeah, I think I understand, or do I? I'm not sure, you know? And a lot of times, yeah, you will have people in that position that may go, dude, I don't like this. They will think I'm losing this scene or I'm getting shown up in this scene.

Really confident actors are not gonna feel that way. Look, confident actors are gonna go, I've got plenty to do, this is great, let me put fuel on this fire, this makes the movie better maybe, it was a great scene. I watched this thing, it was the behind the scenes, like the rolling take of you on Eastbound and Down.

Yeah. And between takes it was rolling, it was watching you do, you were just staying loose. It was fun to watch, because you're like, oh, you're just staying loose right here. Trying to get from the reason to the rhyme, because you go study, you prepare, it's reason. I understand why you want to know what you're saying.

I think words are important. But boy, by the time you show up, you kind of want to hopefully chunk all that shit out of the way and get out. I want to get nonverbal down, man. Let's get into the, let's get into the rhyme, and let's get into the ether here and get thisverbal now, man. Let's get into the, whew, let's get into the rhyme and let's get into the ether here

and get this thing off, let's levitate. I love that you like getting weird. Like it's my favorite thing is late night, family's asleep, back to the man cave, bottle of wine, cowboy boots, gloves, speedos, and listen to music and just get, like if someone walked in. You just do a speedo ad out there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it, I like it. And you know, it's so funny, I think that's the, there's such a child still about you. There's still like, you're still that kid in like a long cloth, building a fort. And then I hope so. I don't wanna, you know.

Oh. You know. What? I remember when I met you, I don't wanna, you know. Oh. You know. What? I remember when I met you. I wanted to tell you that. I met you. Oh, see if you remember this.

It was 25 years ago. Yeah. You know what, you definitely remember. I know. It was fucking hilarious. It was across the street from your house. So you had a house in LA. In LA?

So across from you, I'll paint the picture. If you walk out of your house, to your right, there was a woman who was divorced from a TV producer writer, and she had a tennis court. And then, like if you walk up. Hollywood Hills? Yes. Astral?

Yes. Yes. And then to the left, it was like a fucking Saudi arms dealer. Yes. And some things would go on late night over there. So I was at his house. You were filming. No, and some things would go on late night over there. So I was at his house. You were filming.

No, I wasn't filming. Tom did a porn. I go over there with the guy who would teach tennis to the lady on the right, and he's like, yeah, I live here sometimes. I'm like, you're not fucking hurting. He was like, oh, I just teach tennis. I was like, okay.

So he's like, he befriended the Saudi dude. Yeah. So we're over there one night. You walk, and he's having a party, and there's women and everybody, and I was like, you know, just walking around. Walking up the hill. There's a dude in swim trunks, barefoot,

with goggles on his head. I'm like, who's this motherfucker? And then everyone's like, that's Matthew McConaughey. I was like, shut the fuck up. And so he walks up, I still remember this girl was like, how do you spell your last name? And you, that's a really good question. And you'd spelled it, and then she was like, wait, what?

And then you were like, I just fucking spelled it. You must spell it again. And then I was like, this felt like a real Hollywood like thing, you know? I was like, this is crazy all these people around everyone started it started to create this energy like Matthew McConaughey's here He's in swim trunks and goggles and there's not a fucking pool around and and then they were like we're playing basketball You're like I'm playing basketball too. So you can't you start shooting hoops with us in your trunks and then I'm starting to remember this. Really? And then I remember, so I try to get them to find it.

I go, I remember, because this would have been like 2002 or three, so it was like, there wasn't like social content, but I was like, dude, I saw it in like an inquirer thing. Like it made it to some, somebody had taken a photo. And I was like, it's out there. And they looked and they looked and they couldn't find it. But I was like, I remember being at whatever internship and somebody being like, hey, there's the photo evidence

of your story that we thought you made up. And I was like, no, I'm telling you, I was at this fucking party. And I was like, that's where I met him. I remember this. He went through the little gate, had some steps up, plateaued out and there was this thing, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would go there. I remember this. You went through that little gate, had some steps up, and it plateaued out, and there was things, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would go over there.

I remember that, yeah. I remember, I remember, they had played some pretty good music, you could tell if a good time was happening. I figured it was time to, you know, if I was already feeling carny, to keep the circus going. Yeah, it was a fun night, it was a fun night, dude. Yeah, I mean, I would go over there with the fucking tennis guy, and they'd be like, yeah, it was a fun night, dude. Yeah, I mean, I would go over there with the fucking tennis guy,

and they'd be like, yeah, she's the fucking Miss July, and I was like, Jesus Christ, like, who is this guy? And they're like, I don't know what he does. It was the thing, it was like, we don't know what he does. It was one of those guys, the guy that owned the place. I was like, what do you mean you don't know what he does? And they're like, yeah. It was, yeah.

I never knew. He drives an armored car. I never got to know that neighbor well. Yeah, but an armored car I never knew he drives an arm. I never got to know or yeah that neighbor Well, yeah, but an armored car like okay. He drives an armored car A lot of people don't like them the tennis coach probably knows all this good. He knows the senior the stories Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we met an act. There was an acting class thing We're like tennis guys in the acting class some of the backstreet boys the acting class like a very Hollywood Yeah, man acting class experience. Yeah. Backstreet Boys are in the acting class, like a very Hollywood acting class experience, yeah, yeah.

How much of your book would you want your son to live through? As I read it. Oh, good question, man. Thank you. So let me tell you this. I can leave now. When are we gonna drink tequila?

Keep going, because I don't want him to live, I got really scared for you in Australia. Like I got really scared for as a father take a repo as a father. I went. Oh my god That's my my fear is my kid to study abroad not to happen. This is very freaky Part of that thing, but as I look and I go look at times of Chateau. Yeah, you and the In native it was in Canada by the Native Americans in Canada Yeah, like, yeah. All these wild things, you going to Africa, all these things are really cool in hindsight,

but as a father of a young man, how much of this book do you want your son to live through? I mean, I honestly, what's in that book, I honestly hope he can live through that much or even more if he wants. There are stories that are not in that book

that are the ones that are the reason I wear a mouth guard at night, because I wake up, wake up at the exact second where I go back and I remember and I was like, oh, I almost died right there. None of those said I almost died. And so those, I've got a few circumstances

that I would not want my son to live through. Those, no, man, I mean, look, there's things I made it through, the beauty of ignorance, God bless ignorance. Cheers. It's my career. Can we cheers that? You know? Cheers. Yes, man. Yeah, all right, now I gotta reach over.

100%. All right. So there's things. Oh, that's good. That I survived because I didn't know better, thank goodness. But most of those stories in that book that I went through, I would not go back in my own life and say, ooh, if I could get rid of that, I wouldn't have to do it. And I wouldn't, I'd, you know, as part of,

we, our kids are living a more affluent life than I was. That doesn't mean they don't, or can't have the experiences that I had. I don't want them to fall under prey to any kind of entitlement. And part of not doing that in life is having to be in situations where you have no safety net. You're like, I've got my own devices, man.

How am I gonna roll here? How am I getting out? How am I getting what I want? How am I gonna survive? How am I not gonna go crazy? How am I gonna go crazy and out endure the craze? How am I gonna go wing it? How am I gonna know better?

I want my son to be in those situations. You know, and I was in a lot of them. A lot of them. Just a lot of success, I engineered. A lot of it, didn't engineer at all. It was divine intervention, something I can't, I can't make the math of. But you need that hunger.

Like your son will never sleep on someone's couch for like an extended period. Because at some point he probably can just go, hey dad, I'm in LA, but like when you're young and you're poor, you go, I, out of necessity, can I crash on your couch? There's a vulnerability when you wake up in someone's living room.

That I feel like makes this man, if that makes sense. You look, you might be right. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, sure don't think you're wrong. Do I think that's necessary? No. Do I think, do I try as a father and his mother as well to not make things harder, but to go,

no, you gotta earn that. That's not, not handing that to you. That's hard sometimes, right? There's initiations and there's rites of passage. You gotta skin your knees. If you skin, if you pull it off the first time, bravo. Yeah. But if you skin your knees a few times on the way,

bravo. Yeah. I'm not giving you the pass to the door. We like to say, look, you're gonna get access, more access, you're gonna get more access with us. I have no problem getting you in a door. Right. Once you're in that door, bro, it's on you. So don't embarrass yourself and handle it and show up.

On the other side, let's see if the rubber hits the road. So yeah, they're getting a little quicker access to certain things than say I did, sure. But we're doing our best to make sure they earn it. Whatever that is, I don't think you got a proverbial bleed to make it count. Trip yourself running downhill when things are going well. Faceplant for the hell of it.

It's a great chapter. I still battle with that. So, confidence to go find shit out. I don't know, I was, you know, I wanted to travel. Travel has been my best educator. I think it's the best. Getting lost. It's the best.

Getting found, meeting strangers and going like, oh geez, we are all hell lot more similar than I thought. You travel, you don't vacation, you travel. I'm much better traveler than vacationer. I'm still gonna learn how to be, my wife tells me I gotta learn how to take a vacation better. Cause I have to either have to write something

or break a sweat or do something in the day to go, okay, cocktail is gonna taste better this afternoon. But if it's, I can only, I'm not as good at handling successive Saturdays. I need to chunk a little bit of Monday in each day just to go, all right, earn that. Here we go. I think it does feel better.

Another notch. That's why I love Friday. The best. First half, business. Second half, 48 hour runway, freedom. Yeah, that's true. Did you know that when people watch the trailer for Tiptoes, that they think it's a sketch?

Did you know that? That no one thinks it's real? They think it's a what? It's an SNL sketch, did you know that? I did not know that. I've shown that to so many people, and they're like, what the fuck did SNL do this? I'm like no this

is real dude. It wasn't quite real but it was real. It's insane. The first time you see it you're like what the fuck is happening? Have you seen this? I have not seen it! Just play it for like 10 seconds for birth. What is this? Here. Put his hands on. This is one of the craziest things that I've ever seen. And I've enjoyed it so much. Together was perfect. Right?

You're like, okay. I'm gonna get going. I love you, sweetie. I love you. Hey, baby. Hey, sweetie. I love you. There's one small problem. Hi. I'm your partner. Hey, baby. Hey, sweetie. I love you. There's one small problem.

Hi. I'm Ross. I'm his brother. We're twins. Are your parents, um... Yeah. It can tear them apart. I think you're gonna let me know that everyone in your family's a midget. The non-midget's a carandovish.

Whatever. Or bring them together. That's Gary Oldman, dude! That's Gary Oldman! Patricia Arquette. Peter Dinklage. Kate Beckintel. Doors together I think maybe I'm pregnant. Wait, the trailer is so good. I've never seen the trailer. This is so good. You knocked up this great gal, and you didn't tell her

that her baby's probably going to be little. I'm not like you. We are so cute and cuddly. Don't discriminate against us. You said these parties got a little wild. I never expected this. There's sure a lot of midgets around here. You better back off, Goldie Hawn.

My man can do what he wants to do. I'm ready for an adult relationship. What is this man doing in your bedroom? This is chaos, dudes. A walk down the aisle. Steven's a very lucky guy. I just hope he's smart enough not to screw it up. Is just a beginning. There'll be rough patches, there's a very lucky guy. Just hope he's smart enough not to screw it up. ...is just a beginning.

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Come on! What the fuck? That's real. That's so good! It's so good! I've never seen that! Trailer! You shot that movie?

Yes! Real production. Real production day. He showed up to work. No one thinks that's real. Not his soul. It doesn't look real. It doesn't look real. It doesn't look real, but damn, that's a good trailer.

That goes for it. And also, the- Oh, it would sell hard as fuck right now. The reason too, that like, what takes you over of like, this is the VO guy goes tiptoes. You're like, it's not a real VO guy. No, the second half dropped into the serious melodrama. Which is the best on a sketch is when you go,

now go real grounded on this fucking madness. And there's people being thrown and fighting. My fucking phone just woke up. I love that you're also Jewish. Yeah. I love that you got the role of a lifetime. And I have the dwarf gene in me. Yeah. So if you have children like Kate and I in the films,

I don't know, like Procreate, good chance. Yeah. If she doesn't know, I'm the biggie in the family, okay? Yeah, yeah. Actually, what we called, there's a chair where they get over the house, there's like one big chair, they're like, oh no, that's his, he's the biggie. It's his, it's absurd. And Gary Oldman, who's his, he's the biggie. It's his, it's absurd.

And Gary Oldman, who's fucking, the role of a lifetime. The fucking balls of the VO guy to call that the role of a lifetime. It's so great, dude. So was he just sitting inside the couch and they have baby legs attached to him? Yeah, I think he's sitting on his,

I think he's sitting on his, I think he's sitting on his heels back and then you have the, or he had that just the green, you wear the green sort of back up, screen where they remove it and post and put there, but I don't know, they had much money to remove it. During this production, you guys are like, Straight-Faceless. Yeah, and you guys think it's,

you're not playing it like, yeah, this is a really good story. I mean, this is a... Yeah. Yeah. No, we're playing... Look, it was obviously a wild concept. Yeah.

Some talent it drew. The talent is... It was anarchic. It still had some heart to it, which maybe I think of the script, felt less sentimental than that did. We knew it was a soap opera, but it felt like so carny for that word to come out. It felt so carny. We were like, this is wild.

And Matthew Bright, writer, director, was a good writer, had come up with the concept. And I just was like, this is bringing together two worlds of high comedy. But if we straight face this, it can be really funny. And also, might actually make you drop a tear. Yeah. That second half of that trailer pushes that direction. I've shown 100 people that trailer. I've never seen the trailer. By the way, I'd like to commit to that writer and director,

Tom and I will do any movie you want to do, silent scene, and we'll also pay for it. There you go. But it's got to be as good as that fucking trailer. That trailer's something else. That trailer's really good. Thank you for showing me that. That trailer's something else. That trailer's really good. Thank you for showing me that. That trailer's really good.

But when you think of, one of my favorite things in the Hollywood stories from people who have done a lot like you is when people talk about roles they turn down, do you have any where you, like roles where you're like, I turned that shit down and it becomes a. Like a regret? Or a. Sure. you like roles where you're like I turn that shit down and it's a becomes a I can regret all right you sure once I said it um you know what my biggest damn it for me was probably right as we finished time to kill mm-hmm

damn he just moved on LA confidential director good director anyway excuse me he's we had a meeting and he'd come down and he'd offer a role. I don't remember if it was the Guy Pierce role or the Russell Crowe. Curtis Hanson? Curtis Hanson, thank you. Curtis Hanson came down and it offered me a role in that.

And I loved that movie. I think it was a great movie. And I said no. Now mind you, at that time, people were asking me what I wanted to do. I'm like, things are starting to come in on onslaught. I'm like, it was hard for me to sit down and read a script and go, no, this is really good

and I know why I'm writing, everything. I was just coming from like, I'll do whatever I can do. You're getting great stuff. And it's coming and I'm supposed to be, and I'll do whatever I can do. You're getting great stuff. And it's coming and I'm supposed to be, and I'm getting asked, well, which one of the great stuff do you wanna do? I'm like, write about this a lot in the book. I'm going, yesterday, I could do it every chance,

none of these were even on the table. And now you're telling me, which one of these do you wanna do? That's why I packed up and got the hell out of Dodge and went to Peru. But that's a movie that I love, that I would have loved to be a part of, and I love that movie.

There's always been a rumor that I think James Cameron started, he and I have had a few laughs about this, that I got offered and turned down the role in Titanic. That did not happen. That did not happen. I did not get offered. And as I've said to this day, if I did,

I gotta find that agent. Yeah, yeah. Because they bogey. No, I did read for it. I was there at the end, or, if I did, I gotta find that agent because they bogeyed. No, I did read for it. I was there at the end. Or Kate Winslow and I read. It was a good read. I walked out of there full of thinking that I may have had it, but I never got the offer.

So other than that, not really. Other than LA Confidential, which was early on in 96-ish, I don't, what movies I see, I'm like, ah, oh that's good, that would've been fun. That would've been fun, yeah. But I didn't, but none that I'm like, ah, I can't believe I blew it. Okay.

I bogeyed that one, or I blew that one, or I didn't see that. You did something super ballsy. I think it's like, it's very rare that somebody could do this, which is, you willfully took yourself out of public eye and Hollywood for almost two years. So it's a really ballsy thing.

I mean, most people, I think if you're voluntarily doing that in this job, they go, are you crazy? Why would you do that? But you're doing it because you want to like well Figure out who you are more and then you get to basically reinvent yourself Yeah, because of that but it's accompanied by some fear too, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh hell Yeah, a lot of fear because I feel like we've even like we know people who you know

disappear sometimes But and it's something I mean you could make the case that's for maybe some of the same reasons But I think the thing that makes it different about Yours is that you're at such a level and choosing to do that Like you could have just been like another movie another big paycheck another movie another movie another movie. So You must have felt this turmoil to make that choice, right? Yeah.

It was the, I kept having the 3 a.m. turmoil, unable to sleep. Oh, I remember having this sign. I was like, no, man, I'm not, I feel like I'm just an entertainer. I'm not an actor. And I remember my great mentor going, well first of all, what the fuck's wrong

with being an entertainer? It was a great question. Like are you boohooing that? I was like, oh you're right. Now it's not that just something else is eating at me, man. And again, my life was wildly full at that time. Fall in love with Camilla. She's pregnant with her first child.

All I ever wanted to be is a dad, and I got one coming, man. I mean, I'm vital, bro. My head and loins and heart and gut are all in sync. My bets, I'm tripling down on them, and they're like winning. But in my career, I'm going back and doing this thing, romantic comedies,

that I had owned that lane at that time. And they were fun and they paid well. But I'm like, they feel like more different, and a wrong kind of vacation from my life. It was like I needed more resistance. I need, in real life, I'm dealing with great drama, great comedy. And work, I'm dealing with, yep.

Step right up, I can knock this out, I can dealing with, yep, step right up, I can knock this out, I can do this tomorrow. Fine, can I dig deeper to find a different, no, these things, these romcoms have a certain frequency you need to be on, you need to bounce from cloud to cloud to cloud, if you drop the anchor, you can sink them, no, don't go there, and that frequency that those were,

were just not getting me off. I didn't feel like I was having an experience. Could you get a role that would have been fulfilling at that time? Could you have been like, well I wanna do this thing. Right. And they'd been like, sure.

Or would they be like, no. We don't want you to do that. No, they let me know, bro, stay in your lane. Stay over there. Really? I'd already done a couple, tried, where if they were in more the dramatic side or outside of romantic comedy genre,

the pay took a major pay cut. And then those didn't even, they didn't do well, box office-wise, so they weren't going. Please do this again. Whether you did well or not, and chops, just go, you're leading the charge over here on rom-coms and you're nailing them over here on rom-coms and you're nailing them. They cost us 35. They're coming back at 60. We're making good money and you're

good in them and the people like them. So just do that. Nothing wrong with that. Ben loved it. I needed some resistance. I need, so I self-imposed after many long talks, many late nights, many tears, many prayers, made a pact with my wife. She's great. She's a real baller this way. She was like, okay, I see what this means to you. But do you understand if we're going to do this, again, it's going to get rocky. And there's no going back. It's committed. I was like, yeah, we have to commit, it's commit the whole way. No flinching, no two-stepping.

No going, stepping out. Oh, I think I'm coming back, right? Day's gonna get long, she knows me. It's like that bottle's gonna look better earlier in the day. What'd you, I know you need to accomplish for significance. It's like that bottle's gonna look better earlier in the day. I know you need to accomplish for significance. We're gonna have to trust this. And I was like, I'm trusting it no matter how long it goes, because it could be dry for a while.

And it was, it was dry for a long time. And all those things did happen. The fact that I've got the looking forward to a sun coming. The fact that I'm bored out of my mind, which is a great thing to be, because you gotta work some tools in your nugget that you don't have to work when everything's right there for you.

The fact that I'm not on the beach in Malibu, shirtless in my daily life there looks like turn the page into the romantic comedy that you go see in the theater the next night. They were kind of merged into one at that point when I removed myself. The fact that I was back home, the fact that we had a family, not tragedy,

but a big crisis in my family that I needed to tend to. That soberes you up. You know what I mean? Where you get like, that I had things that I need to tend to. That sobered you up. You know what I mean? Where you get like, that I had things that I knew were more, ultimately existentially more important than my acting career. Kind of put that on the side. Go along, got tempted with the $8 million offer

that turned into a $14.5 million offer. As I talk about, you know, not two-stepping, as I said, did I two-step enough to say when it got to 14.5, let me read that sum of it again? Yes, I did. I ain't that pure, right? Still said no, though. Yeah.

The fact that saying no to that, do I believe that sent a little invisible lightning boat through Hollywood going, this fucker's not bluffing. Yeah, he's serious. Who turns that shit down? What's he up to? Someone does that. A girl in a relationship, whatever,

you're like, what are they up to? You kinda become more attractive. Yeah. Yeah. Novel, what are they up to? They got something going on. They're not just, they didn't just step out and waft. They're on a line of something, where they're going, or what they're holding out for. And that's what I was doing,

I was kind of on the picket line, I was kind of holding out. And what was the first one? I think it was Lincoln Lawyer. And that was a big success. That worked out really good. Yeah. And it was Killer Joe.

And then it was Paperboy. And then Mud. No, Mud. Mud came, no Mud came. Do you know another thing? We named Ellis, Ellis comes from Mud. Are you serious? Oh yeah. Yeah you know another thing? We named Ellis Ellis cuz from mud you serious Oh, yeah, yeah, my first my first son's name is Ellis. We were watching that movie while my wife was pregnant and We you know, it was one of the movies we didn't know it. We probably movie don't know anything about it Yeah, and it was like this sweet little kid

and it was like a real southern way of like alias like,, you know, and then when it came time to name them, we were like, we both were like, I love that name, Alice, it was from Mud. It's my favorite movie I've done. Really? Really? It's a really beautiful movie. It's a beautiful movie. It's the movie that my dad, when I was 12,

would have come to me and said, hey buddy, you seen this movie, Mud? And I'd have gone, no sir. He'd have gone, oh, we gotta watch together. It's a good one. Yeah. And it's, I'd have gone, no sir. He'd have gone, oh, we gotta watch together. It's a good one. And it's, I have a real, plus that, the tree house that I built as a kid

that's in that book was My Boat and a Tree. That was in Mud. The fantasy, the magic reality of Through a Child's Eyes. And then the Aristocrat of the Heart, the love story that Mud has with Juniper. Yeah, it's a really cool movie. When I read your book, sometimes when people write books, there are little things that I can't stop noticing.

You love ketchup. I love ketchup. I put ketchup on my ketchup. And I love ketchup. Like, I only eat meatloaf to eat ketchup. Right. I think I fell in love with ketchup first. Yeah.

With the ketchup. I had to grow to love ketchup and then once I realized what it was doing to me, I went, while you're expanding my horizons, I didn't know that I could enjoy salt and sweet at the same time. All in one, and let's admit it, can we say it online? Can we say it like Heinz just got the monopoly on the fucking ketchup. It's the same time. All in one, and let's admit it, can we say it online? Can we say it like Heinz just got the monopoly

on the fucking ketchup. It's the fucking now, yeah. It's the Del Monte out of here, guys. I don't need the fucking antibiotic. No, no, no, no, no, no. I want the fucking Heinz with the shit in it. Come on. What's the craziest thing you put ketchup on? Whatever not put ketchup on.

I mean, scrambled eggs is not crazy. Oh, scrambled eggs, scrambled eggs. It's easy. It makes scrambled eggs. It makes not crazy. It's great. Scrambled eggs, scrambled eggs. It makes scrambled eggs. It's great. It makes scrambled eggs. Guy Fieri would like fucking ketchup with, eggs with ketchup on them. Yeah, so I mean I put it on,

I put it on that we had one throw up vegetable in our household where you had one vegetable you didn't have to eat and mine was boiled squash. Mama boiled everything. She was not a good cook. Ma, I know you're out there 92, you were not a good cook. Boiled squash and that's how I, but you. Mama boiled everything. She was not a good cook. Ma, I knew you were out there in 92, you were not a good cook. You boiled squash.

And that's how I got, but you had to eat it. Yeah. Now that was the one, I'm sorry, the one I didn't have to eat, but then you had to eat everything else. So the boiled okra, nobody in the family liked it, but man, that's where ketchup became my favorite because I got to drown that shit.

And I remember sitting there in our family, if you didn't finish it, you finally had to go to bed at dinner time and then the next morning it was on the breakfast plate. Oh, wow. And if you were late for school, you got the demerit, then it just went back to sort of structure.

So now what's your punishment for being late for school? So you're like, oh man, ketchup was my friend. Get over things, to swallow things, and also just to, and it's where the ketchup is. I love ketchup on a burger, but it's best to dip it. So the ketchup's the first team thing to hit the palate. If you put the ketchup on top of the burger, it falls off the sides. You want to dip it so that it's walking. It is the pimp walking the prostitutes

into the party. Yeah, and there's a whole bunch behind him, but he does the intro. Dude, black-eyed peas, I cannot eat. Black eyed peas with ketchup, I fucking love them. I'll tell you, I'm gonna tell you one, even further. If I'm drinking in the morning at an airport, and I don't feel like drinking, but I have to, because I gotta get on the plane, I'll take ketchup, smear it on my hand, let it dry,

and then just slowly just, yeah, that's it. Get down. Like on the flight later? On the fucking flight. Just give it a lick? Just a little, yeah. Just to have a buddy there. Just a reminder to little, yeah. Just to have a buddy there. Just a reminder to have a treat.

Just to have a friend right there. Yeah. That's good, man. Fuck, I'm never gonna eat ketchup and not think about you. I don't know, next time I have ketchup, I'm gonna not be able to not think about you licking on your hand when I'm eating ketchup. That's good, man.

Little K-bump. I like that, yeah. Excuse me. Let me take a hit. Who doesn't like you? I mean you're like the coolest dude in the world. Ketchup. And he loves ketchup, man.

But he actually, Marcus Stilers made me a t-shirt, red t-shirt and white writing, and said I put ketchup on my ketchup. Yeah, Heinz the One, Viva La Ketchup. Everyone's people have tried to compete, right? There's so many people. I think it was Malcolm Gladwell that wrote a whole essay about this

about how there's this really competitive space for ketchup but it doesn't fucking matter because Heinz just dominates. Dominates. There's like 50 other brands. I don't even know them. No one does. This is how we busted my mom.

Mom would always save money. All right, let's go to peanut butter. Peter Pan was the one. Yeah. For me, right? Heinz catch up. She, we finish and we come back to dinner and all of a sudden, next night,

you'd be at the end the night before. The next night be full, you'd pour it in just, pour it like water, like, ah, bullshit. This is not. Yes it is. And we're like, no it's not. She did what like a cheap diner does. She put the, put the fixed straight tomato soup in there,

whatever, demonic, and she did the same thing with peanut butter for a while. And we're like, this is not peanut butter, this is your local. Yeah, the bullshit knockoff. And we'd bust her every time on it. My favorite thing that I've got is I like, I don't like A1 sauce on steak.

I like it without anything, but I love A1 sauce on rice. Like when the rice sticks up A1. I bet you like, it's the Jamaican prickly, pickly, what's that Jamaican? It's a dark sauce like A1, it's Jamaican. Pickle pepper. You like pickle pepper? I don't think I do.

If you like A1, you probably like pickle pepper. I love a little pickle pepper. Turn them on to pickle pepper. Try pickle pepper. Yeah, give me another tequila. Hey, I also like mustards. I'm a big mustard guy, but I'm really, Asian mustards, I like really, really, I need my nose another tequila. Hey, I also like mustards. I'm a big mustard guy, but I'm really... Asian mustards. I like really, really...

I need my nose to feel it. I like hot mustards. Asian? I'm like, more than that English mustard. We have that tight, tight, tight, little white, little teaspoon of that. Coleman's is like the best English mustards, but Asian mustards are stronger than English mustards. Where's Asian mustards between English mustards and wasabi? Closer to wasabi.

Closer to wasabi, and Chinese specifically, the Chinese mustard sauce is one of my, because that has that. All right. That opens the throat. Yeah, mentholic. You're like, am I fucking breathing through my eyes? Yeah, it opens everything up.

I like Chinese mustard. I've been using wasabi pretty liberally lately. I do too. To mix up even with tuna fish style, I love to, I'm a tuna fish salad master maker. Really? Yeah, every Sunday night, clean out the fridge, Machito style, gonna make a badass tuna fish.

So do you put- That'll last through the week. Explain your tuna fish to me because my wife's a redneck and so she has pickle jalapenos, candied jalapenos in her tuna fish. Yeah. Okay, wait, I wanna hear yours.

Well, it's a long list of all kinds of things. I mean. Okay, sorry. It starts with the base, you get your good tuna. Yeah. Next, you gotta watch how much lemon and vinegar you add, because if you add the mayo mixed with wasabi, and a little tangency. Oh, shut the fuck up! I didn't even think about putting wasabi

into my fucking tuna fish! Whip it up, a little light green. Get that in there on the tuna. Because if you put, whatever you put on the tuna first is gonna soak it up. So it's gonna be- You're blowing my mind right now. You're blowing my mind. It's like the first time someone told me

how to finger someone, and I didn't know that you weren't just supposed to stick it in and leave it there, and I go, oh yeah, it would make sense to move it around. You're telling me tuna fish. It is like that. Tuna fish. If I would get high end tuna, of course I go, oh yeah, it would make sense to move it around. You're telling me tuna fish. It is like that. Tuna fish, if I would get high end tuna, of course I'd put wasabi on it.

Why wouldn't I put it on my tuna fish? I know, it's a good idea, right? We fucked this interview up. We should've been talking about this whole time. Get a base. And then all the rest of the stuff from the chopped red onions or the dill pickled gherkins, I'll finally slice the dill pickled gherkins. There'll finally slice the dill pickled gherkins.

There's a jalapeno product now that they, it's been seared in hot oil, so it's crispy jalapeno chips to give it a little crunch. I come in with, to balance that out. At the end, I do go, I'll go with some apple for some sweetness, a touch of agave if we get to balance out that wasabi here. And at the end, I do go with some apple for some sweetness, a touch of agave to get to balance out that wasabi here. Yeah, yeah.

And at the end I do go, man, I always have corn in there. I always got corn in there. Really? Oh yeah, oh yeah. And then at the end I'll go some frozen green peas. And then, as you know, as every redneck knows, is it better right then or is it better covered after you put it in the fridge the next day?

It's all coagulated, all the taste are right, you're sitting there now, I've hit the home run. So it's sat in there. It's marinating basically, yeah. Now do you add any ketchup? Oh yeah, he did. Then I pull out extra pickles, because I love to dip my pickle, take about a tuna,

bite the pickle with the Heinz ketchup on the end of the pickle. The day after Time to Kill, you went to the promenade and you had a tuna fish sandwich with ketchup on it and all I heard was, I gotta try ketchup on a tuna fish sandwich. That's all I heard. Yeah, man.

Okay, real quick, steak, what cut do you eat? 1 5 1⁄8 inch American Wagyu rib eye. Oh yeah. Rib eye's the steak. That's the good one. Rib eye's the steak. Rib eye's the steak. Admitted or not, if we're not talking about,

oh I wanna eat lean, I know I have my elk, I do filet. How do you have it cooked? Well, the different ways. So I go one and five eighth inch, which means it's a big thick piece of meat. Which means, I don't take it to the oven to ever bake it to get the middle cooked.

I do like to sear it. I either go on the grill. Yeah. I mean, if I can get that green egg to sit there and hold at 455. So tall. Then I'm, then I'm, and close that thing and trust it. Beautiful.

Other times where we're just inside and I'm time for that, I'm a big 16 inch black skillet, oil, butter, cast iron, get that baby high eight and sear that and flip some oil and butter on top of that thing because I just learned this, that that butter doesn't brown if you put it in early with the oil. And then obviously that old trick that everyone forgets,

let that sun bit sit for as long as you cook it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's got to settle. Yeah. And all those tins have to just kind of relax. And the juices kind of go absorb it back in. And also, do you all know this one? This may be obvious, but it's the cook it at room temperature.

You can't pull it out of the fridge. Can't you pull it right out of the fridge? Yeah, no, no. You got to let it sit. You got to let it sit. Get it back to room temperature. That's a good one, too. And all those pores open up.

So 1 and 5 eighth inch American Wagyu ribeye. As the Austin guy, like the OG Austin guy, favorite barbecue spot? Geez, right, that's like a religion around here. I know. I mean, look man, I've never tasted any briskadelic better than Franklin's. I've already, have you had the steak over at Lambert's?

No. I won't be doing that tonight. Taste that dirty little brown over at Lambert's? No. I'll be doing that tonight. Taste that dirty little brown sugar top, son of a bitch. Oh, it's a dirty little dog, it's good. Yeah, the rib eye over there, taste it. You make me wanna go. Peter, please get us reservations for tonight.

And they're not afraid of salt, no? Oh, neither. I'm on blood pressure medicine. No, I mean,'m on blood pressure medicine. I mean, come on. It's serious. Look, the barbecue I've had. I mean, there's so much good.

Yeah, it's so good. I'm not a barbecue nerd. I'm not religious about it. Right. I've had great barbecue in many places. But, look, Franklin's brisket, what he figured out. Yes, it's incredible. Walk away.

Drop your mic. That Opie's jalapeno cream corn with the jalapeno sausage, take the chunk of sausage, fork it, dunk it in the Opie's cream of corn jalapeno, then eat it. That's one of the top three bites I've ever had in my life. Oh my God. These are good racks, man.

God. Good racks. I'm drinking your tequila tomorrow morning. Yeah, man. Saturday morning. Hey, that's good. I am too. Can we try our vodka? Yeah. We have vodka. Hey, can we bring another glass? We launched this vodka.

I love, you and your wife did the smartest thing. For Halloween, you both dressed up. For osos. For the bears. For os, you both dressed up. For osos. For the bears. For osos. For osos. Bears. Bears. The bears. Two bears. You guys dressed up as bottles of your tequila

for Halloween, I thought that was so cool. I was like, god damn it. Here's the inspiration that was. And my dad, I pulled out, was going through some old scrapbooks, and there was a picture of my mom and dad at Halloween. And they had taken these, she was in like, glad trash bags taped up

and it said M&Ms with tape on it, plain. I fucking love your parents. And he was in the other set, M&Ms with nuts. I love your parents. I love your parents. What percentage of your dad are you and what percentage of your mom are you out of a hundred percent? Oh wow. Because I feel like we all think you're your dad. I kind of after reading your book. I feel like you're- A whole lot more my mom than I realized

and that's a happy trail for me to recognize and learn along the way. Look, my mom, I'm still aspiring to understand and be some things that she is. My mom is like real grade A proof is like real grade A proof in the value of denial if you truly commit to it. And she commits to it. Not intellectually talks herself into it

and then commits, no, bam, that's what, I don't have cancer. And well, mom, you do. No, I don't. She's not doing an intellectual trick. I do not. Okay, well then would you take this pill anyway? Okay.

But I don't have it. Life, I don't like you. I don't like whatever. You don't like someone. Nope, boom, out of my life. Mom, I mean, you wanna let him down easy? No, why do I wanna waste any time? No, not for me.

But she does, I mean, I don't know if I've wrote about her, I've shared this many times, I went to the way, her ability to forgive herself. Or actually not even feel guilty about anything in the first place to forgive herself about is amazing. And this is not a shallow woman. This is a woman who, 92, mom, what's the secret? Well, I can't imagine not being here.

Walk off, okay. And it's not a line, it's not a hallmark card, it's not an intellectual choice she's making to say, oh, I wanna think positively. Uh-uh, she's beyond that, to where it's a full- capacity. That's her identity. Yes is her favorite word. I really respect the sound of your mom

because there is a thing, it's like, yeah, why do I have to subscribe by everyone else's rules? I'll just live my own life. And the ability to forgive herself is fascinating. I wish I had that. Dude, I went to her, because she pulls wild ass stunts. Wild stunts. My brother's playing golf one day

after my father passed away and the four older men on the other fairway are like, hey, congratulations, Pat. Congratulations on you and your mom and CJ getting, Jack getting married. My brother's like, what? I ain't getting married? They're like, oh yeah, anyway, sorry.

You tell them that. Mom, what'd you do? What are you talking about? Mom, what'd you do? What's it say here about you? Jack, getting married. Oh, that. Mom, what'd you do?

Well, first I didn't think you'd find out, but here's what we did. Look, the Country Club do's are $400 a month, if you're just together, but they're only $400 a month if you're just together, but they're only $250 a month if you're married. So we just told them we were married. Mom, come on, and she'll cry, say I'm sorry, and then boom, forget about it.

To save $150 bucks. To told everybody at the Country Club that they were married. To save $150 a month. Just like, badass like that. And then he'll sit there and cry and say, I'm sorry. Like, it's not a shallow woman at all, but just, bam. So what part of you is your dad?

I identify... I just said that to the boys outside. Explain what your dad said. You were flexing. As for show, makes all the girls scream. Gets you on TV. That's for dough. Puts the roof over our head, food on the plate. Takes care of business.

It's a work muscle. Work ethic was a big thing to him. Don't half ass it. If you're gonna do it, man, do it. And if you can't, don't say can't. If you're having trouble, ask for help. But don't sit there and say I can't because there's a solution.

That's a good lesson. His dad, his dad, our dad, we all have the same dads. All had the same dads. And I think we all look at our dads the exact same way. I'd say in this, Tommy, earlier. Hey, to our dads. Cheers. To our dads. Yeah, to dads, man. Hey, and to dads. To our dads. To dads, man.

Hey, and to more Govins out there because there's no better. You got kids? Two. And you got kids. Dude, this is a... More of dads, dads out there, you nodding in a toast here and saying,

can we be as good of a dad as we can be? Good of a father? This whole planet's gonna be looking good for all of us, man. A lot better. Thank you for that. Thank you on that. Thank you for that. Ooh.

What do you think? Oh, that's nice and easy. It's vodka. A little... I don't drink much vodka. Not a lot of men do. But a little on the... a little backside kind of opens up. Yeah.

Let me tell you why I drink... why we created a vodka. This is when I started drinking vodka. I was sitting on a plane next to a gorgeous man, beautiful man, jawbones, everything, cheekbones. It was early and I said, I'll take a Heineken from the flight attendant. He said, I think I might drink too. I'm gonna get a double Tito's and soda. I said, vodka?

He goes, it's in my contract. I said, contract? He goes, I'm a male model. It's the only thing I'm allowed to drink. It doesn't bloat you, it keeps you healthy. And I went, hmm. I said, Nick's that Heineken. I think I'll take a double T-dose of soda.

And I've been a vodka drinker now for 15 years. And look at you. It's in his contract. I walked in, he was doing a speedo shoot. It's in his contract. It's in my contract. It's in the contract. Although this tequila is phenomenal.

Yeah. And I'm telling you, man, you guys, I say marketing, but your representation of it. I don't think you're a marketing guy. I think you're just, this is what I do, this is what I'm into. It's just been so genuine and authentic, and it's like out of all these tequilas

that you've seen show up, The Rock or whatever, I go, I don't know, for some reason I want to drink what he drinks. Well, let me ask you this seen show up, The Rock or whatever. I go, I don't know, for some reason I wanna drink what he drinks. Well let me ask you this, because look, we got, you can sell snake oil with a good marketing campaign, you can get away with shit. You can put lipstick on the donkey and call it a thoroughbred and people will go bed on it in the race.

But we said look, let's make some real good fucking juice first. We're serious about it, let's make some really good juice first, let's be formal about that process, which took two years and 47 tasters. But once we got that, we said, boom, circus. Now let's have some frickin' fun. People have been talking real snooty up nosy about Tequila for a long time.

Now let's have some fun. Pintolones, great name, oil can run with that. Oh, what can you do with your pants off? Pixels will be our friend. The pixels, the cover in our midsection are our joke. And they're a running joke. They're like the beep, mother beeper. They're like the beep, you laugh.

Ah, I think they cussed right there. Ah, I think they're naked under there. And we can run with that forever. I also think though, and ask me this, curious if I'm over giving this too much justice, do you think it would have worked if I had been with anyone other than my wife? No. No.

I don't either. It's all about the right partnership. A thousand percent. Right? Yeah. Because there's a good clean fun of it, whatever you know about Camilla and I, her and I married, we got kids, it's like, all right. There's a certain demographic, I think,

if it had been me and, I don't know, another actress, there'd be certain demographic, they'd it would have been me and I don't know, another actress, they'd have been like, there's a certain demographic that'd have been like, no I'm not, this is like too much of a stunt, I don't want to think that those two are naked in front of each other. You know? It seems very home grown.

It doesn't seem like you're, I know it's not a money grab for you because you don't need money, so like that's why I think it's cool. And there's an elusiveness to your wife. I know she's on Instagram, but she's not like out there telling her story and trying to get views. And there's also the idea that this is the chick that Matthew McConaughey was like, hey, don't leave.

Please stay. Fucking crazy. Yeah, man. My wife kind of dug her way in. I I'm kind of your story is the same here I you know, I saw this guy and I was like don't leave and so that's why we started porous You know, we don't get a lot of friends. Who's your best friend? Who's my best friend? Great question

That's two great questions. I got this you gotta pay. It's the third He's so happy right now. Who's my best friend? Probably Camilla. I'm happy to say. I mean, I got some really close friends and I don't have a best friend like I had a best friend in high school

and a best friend in college. Yeah. Best friend. Early part of my career. I mean, best friend in college, best friend, early part of my career. I mean, as far as the person that I share with and that sees me, express myself, and sits here and comes to me and pops me and gut checks me on places where maybe I'm trying

to get away with something that she's like, no, no, no, no, that ain't gonna fly, or lets me know, hey man, here's a glass of Pan-Lones, man. Be easy on yourself for a second. She walks a good line with that. She's great about next days after the party. She's great about this.

You know, everyone goes to the weekend wedding in Mexico, and it's Friday, Saturday night's the wedding, and then Sunday, everyone gets out of there, shoe shade in their eyes to make it to work on Monday morning. She's great about, let's make sure that we have Monday open, and the first thing on Tuesday is after 2 p.m. and we're gonna not leave until Monday afternoon. So while everyone rushes out, we're gonna merge out. Have a beer by the pool.

Sit back there, grab another son, have another cocktail that night, eat a good meal, but all quiet. She's really great about the soft landing. Are you trying to sell us on your wife? Jesus Christ, that was amazing. Let us pitch our wives. She's really good about that.

My wife's, it's 7 a.m. flight. You've got a lot in your plate. What accent am I doing? Sorry, and I've got some other friends. I've got some real good, I have some girls that I'm good friends with, but I have a lot of good male friends. And I've been seeking elders.

I found myself in the last eight years. Mentors, older men that have done it well. Helped their stuff together, been about themselves. We should get some mentors. No, that's invaluable. You know what I mean? When you go, it takes a bit of modesty. Humble, you have to be humble yourself to go,

hey, I would like to learn something from you. You know, you kind of, and you see the thing is that older people, what you realize the most when you spend time with anybody much older, is they just want to matter still. And when you ask somebody who's older their advice on something, man, they come alive. They love it. They love having to share and teach.

I think it's like, interacting with older people is fantastic. I'm with you, man. It reminds me of another, this is not a trick, but it's a good reminder. And it's been, it's a simple one that I think is really a really good one, has been in my life. In this world where so many of our relationships, whether it is for us or not, it is for the other, transactional. relationships whether it is for us or not, it is for the other transactional. To sit there every month and I've tried to,

is reach out to people. It's just a five minute howdy and I don't ask for nothing. And I've noticed that it's almost like, they go, well, what are you, nothing. Don't need anything. Ooh, that can go a long way. Yeah. And it's a quick little hit.

It's not a deep long thing, it's just a quick little hit for nothing at all, just checking in. It's the fucking Joey Diaz. Joey Diaz is one of the best dudes in the world. Comedian friend of ours, and part of his thing is like weekly or bi-weekly Just see the call and and you know you answer it. He's an old school dude Where he text you he doesn't text you if you send me another text, I'll break your fucking fingers

You're like, okay, so he calls and you answer and he goes what's going on? What's up cocksucker? What's up? Hey, you're like not much. He's like, how's the wife the kids? This is a sin is Joey Diaz. Yeah, man, and you go you go. Oh, they're everything's good. And he's like, uh, not much. He's like, how's the wife? How's the kids? This is in, this is Joey Diaz, right here. Yeah, man. And you go, oh, everything's good. And he's like, I'm just checking in. You good? And you go, yeah.

And then you're kind of the same thing. You're like, what's up? And he's like, just remember, don't forget about me. I love you. Bingo. Yeah. It's a check-in. He just checks in.

Yeah, man. It ain't gotta be long. No, it's quick. You ain't gotta go take a long walk to go sit down. And it's just a, yeah. He won't let it go long walk to go sit down and it's just a... He won't let it go long, that's the thing. He's just like, all right, stop with the fucking talking. I mean, hands up.

But he checks in on you and you always get, you know what, the thing is you get like a little dopamine serotonin bump. You're like, that was great. Joey Diaz just checked in on me. So it's a nice feeling. And you've worked with so many wild people that like fun, like people that I go, I'd love to know that.

Like I think Sandra Bullock's the baddest motherfucker in town. I think she's so cool. I think fucking Cole Howser is one of the baddest motherfuckers in town. I'll tell you about, I even think back to, can I tell you who I was obsessed with in Days and Fuse? Was Sasha.

Sasha, it? Yeah. It's great. I go where the fuck, I want more of that guy in my life. He's writing, and he's writing, he's making a living writing scripts. For real? Yeah, I'm like he's writing scripts that are being made by major studios.

So he's got, he found a good, I met with him, it's been a couple years, but he's, I think he's doing, when I talk to him, he's doing well. He was such a scene stealer. Yeah. Like he was such a scene stealer. I fucking loved him. Yeah, man. That movie was so impression on me.

I must've watched it a million times. Everything you've done. I know we gotta get you out of here. You are a legend. And the idea that we got to sit with you for an hour and a half. It was really awesome. It's fun man.

Thank you for coming. It was the best man. Appreciate it. I hope we get to do it some other time. Work together some in some way. It was fantastic. Don't forget, green lights hits shelves in paperback tomorrow.

You can get Pantalones, the delicious multiple styles, Pantalones. I'm telling you right now, if you're a young man, I just say young man, because that's what I think. This is the book you need. This will walk you through, you're just going to see,

it's not a self-help book. It's a story of a dude who did it his way and did it differently than everyone else and turned out on top. And it's a great roadmap for the way to look at life. Maybe not live your life same way but look at life and go, fuck yeah man I need to get off the road. I need to get I need to get out of town. I need to go do something different. I gotta roll the dice a little bit. You're a legend brother. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. And again, it's Matthew McConaughey. And it's spelled M-C-C-O-N-A-U-G-H-E-Y.

You've got to spell it twice for the girl at the party though, right? How do you spell that? All right. All right. Well, thanks a lot, man. We'll see you guys next time. Appreciate it. Here's a shirt, Tom tells stories and Burt's the machine. There's not a chance in hell that they'll keep it clean. Here's what we call, Two Bears, One Cave. Two Bears, One Cave.